Solution to raiding situation

[Izmael]

Remove the windows.

Knowing exactly when a mob will pop benefits smaller guilds as they can mobilize for that mob without batphone. Being able to plan in advance is huge for smaller / casual guilds as it allows their members to make arrangements with RL. Batphone works well for dedicated gamers. But people with a busy RL can't drop their job, their baby, their elderly, their workout, etc, and immediately get to a computer ready to raid EQ.

Without windows, many mobs will pop close together, following the quake or patch repops. Big guilds will have to make choices, go for Trak or for VS, or maybe go for Fay as they have a bunch of druids who have been whining, etc. Smaller guilds will inevitably have some mobs to kill.

Sometimes the repop timers will benefit some time zones, sometimes - others. That's ok. Eventually someone will wipe, timer will be pushed back, etc etc.

Back on live we didn't have variance and I think it worked out well for everyone in the end.
Big guilds and/or guilds willing to put in the extra effort still got the lion's share, as they should, but the smaller guilds usually could snipe some cool stuff as well.

[Anxarcule]

I think p99 caters to the hardcore gamers that are willing to drop everything and jump on - not a good or a bad thing, but like anything in life if you are willing to put in that much dedication you should reap the rewards.

Personally (and I know I'm in the vast minority) raiding is something I would very much like to partake in but almost never can do to scheduling and limited time (and even when I may be able to my DKP are so far below everyone else it doesn't make sense as I won't win anything anyway), but I think instancing would be a decent solution, though now with Kunark I suppose there are enough raid targets to go around that casually raiding with a PuG might be a thing.

[Swish]

Remove the windows.

Knowing exactly when a mob will pop benefits smaller guilds as they can mobilize for that mob without batphone. Being able to plan in advance is huge for smaller / casual guilds as it allows their members to make arrangements with RL. Batphone works well for dedicated gamers. But people with a busy RL can't drop their job, their baby, their elderly, their workout, etc, and immediately get to a computer ready to raid EQ.

Without windows, many mobs will pop close together, following the quake or patch repops. Big guilds will have to make choices, go for Trak or for VS, or maybe go for Fay as they have a bunch of druids who have been whining, etc. Smaller guilds will inevitably have some mobs to kill.

Sometimes the repop timers will benefit some time zones, sometimes - others. That's ok. Eventually someone will wipe, timer will be pushed back, etc etc.

Back on live we didn't have variance and I think it worked out well for everyone in the end.
Big guilds and/or guilds willing to put in the extra effort still got the lion's share, as they should, but the smaller guilds usually could snipe some cool stuff as well.

You won't get a Trak FTE on green until top guild has got enough teeth (which is next to never)... if you want to open up VP to more guilds sooner then this isn't the way.

A rotation is the fairest but the unemployed won't allow that.

[MaCtastic]

A rotation is the fairest but the unemployed won't allow that.

<insert hes not wrong meme>

[Izmael]

You won't get a Trak FTE on green until top guild has got enough teeth (which is next to never)... if you want to open up VP to more guilds sooner then this isn't the way.

A rotation is the fairest but the unemployed won't allow that.

The problem with any kind of rotation is that it removes the "open world / sandbox" component from the game, which is one of the classic EQ's pillars.

Also, my OP wasn't about opening VP to other guilds or about Trak. It was about the raiding in general. There's so much more than just Trak.

Lots of smaller guilds don't even want to go to VP.

The windows are terribly unclassic AND favor stay at home sons. Why do we need them again?

[Fammaden]

Make every respawn a quake. Weekly quakes with a variance on the quake time.

[zodium]

lol wrong forum

two quakes a month fixes 50% of eq raiding problems, do this

[Bardp1999]

Kill a target and you are banned from the next repop. Raiding problem solved, everyone gets to share

[Swish]

Kill a target and you are banned from the next repop. Raiding problem solved, everyone gets to share

A simple variation on the old class R. Not an awful idea and hopefully there'd still be some good competition for FTEs.

[Fammaden]

That's what Naethyn keeps calling "kill one-concede one". Not terrible but sort of predicated on the concept of at least three guilds in the mix. In practice one would wonder if it just ended up being FRAG/Riot and ST/Kingdom just taking turns though.

[Swish]

That's what Naethyn keeps calling "kill one-concede one". Not terrible but sort of predicated on the concept of at least three guilds in the mix. In practice one would wonder if it just ended up being FRAG/Riot and ST/Kingdom just taking turns though.

Happened in Class R with Taken and BDA securing mostly uncontested slots on all Kunark dragons...forget the name of the 3rd smaller guild but they'd be competing with the others for that 3rd part.

Then obviously when the ringfenced pixels were taken away with Velious launch there were tears :rolleyes:

[Local]

That's what Naethyn keeps calling "kill one-concede one". Not terrible but sort of predicated on the concept of at least three guilds in the mix. In practice one would wonder if it just ended up being FRAG/Riot and ST/Kingdom just taking turns though.

You'd definitely see at least Venerate and Black Lotus getting into the mix (and winning targets). I'd venture Fires of Heaven, Calamitous Intent, Dynasty, Gathered Might, Castle, and Alpha Betas would all start competing on some level as well.

[Izmael]

Why more custom lawyering? What's wrong with the perfectly fine "No windows" system, which not only should alleviate the problem for the players, reduce the CSR burden, and also make the server more classic.

3 good things, I don't see any bad ones?

[sajbert]

You'd definitely see at least Venerate and Black Lotus getting into the mix (and winning targets). I'd venture Fires of Heaven, Calamitous Intent, Dynasty, Gathered Might, Castle, and Alpha Betas would all start competing on some level as well.

What would stop ST from splitting into 2 guilds?

And ultimately, why would it be better to have 2-3 guilds monopolizing the content instead of one large guild?

The people with the unhealthiest obsession with the game will get the kills.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Why more custom lawyering? What's wrong with the perfectly fine "No windows" system, which not only should alleviate the problem for the players, reduce the CSR burden, and also make the server more classic.

3 good things, I don't see any bad ones?

The problem with removing the long spawn variance windows is the top guild would just purposely stack the spawn timers on non-peak hours, like 2am, to prevent smaller guilds from mobilizing. When all the big guilds were banned on blue, you saw a lot of raid mobs just sitting up, so I doubt the casual guilds will be able to stop most of the window stacking that would occur. Consistent quakes on prime time hours would help counteract that problem, but that would be an additional feature requirement on top of the removal of windows.

[Izmael]

A quake every couple weeks at a random time of the day to simulate classic patches.