Vessel Drozlin / Verina Tomb Player Agreement Proposal

[Twochain]

Vessel Drozlin and Verina Tomb sock is awful for many players. I myself completely gave up on Enchanter's epic until I luckily got both of them on the same earthquake. I can't think of any negatives of this potential player agreement, so I decided to post.


Random /1000 5 minutes after spawn. ONLY level 46+ Enchanters can roll. ONLY the winner of the roll can loot.

Winner of the roll has 1 hour to kill the mob. Why 1 hour? Not everyone can get friends to camp out their buddies retired warrior at the spawn point 24/7 to engage the mob on spawn. I'm willing to discuss if 1 hour is too long. (or any point really)

Applicable to non earthquake/simpop mobs only.

Other players are not required to stay and help. But it is encouraged.

Must provide xx(time of roll) of your 1 hour lockout if asked

[Beckoning]

This sounds like an excellent idea all around.

[getsome]

Park enchanter
Afk with text logger to trigger notification application
receive text notification, walk to pc or log in remotely to pc
gratz on getting a chance at epic being completely afk

[Izmael]

EQ should be mostly about first to engage. Taking out what is one of the most important aspects of classic EQ (mobilizing quickly, getting help from friends, guild, etc) is not a step in the right direction, IMO.

[Twochain]

Park enchanter
Afk with text logger to trigger notification application
receive text notification, walk to pc or log in remotely to pc
gratz on getting a chance at epic being completely afk

That’s roughly how people win right now. I actually know two different people who got enc epic this way.

While I generally agree with “don’t make EQ easier for the sake of it” as part of its charm is in the brutal grind. I don’t think a 60 hour window should come down to who has the better out of game technological skills. Especially for a non mqable piece of loot. I specifically think this agreement is important on Blue, because of the rise of people selling loot rights to the pieces. (Something I would have 1000% bought btw)

These camps were never monopolized before on blue, and certainly not monopolized on live.

Also 60 hours...

[getsome]

if You can line up for stormfeather I find it odd you can’t line up for vt or vd.

[MarauderOHHYEAH]

100% agree with some kind of agreement for both... the camp is horrible as is.. but having to fight against a snipe squad that has a warrior parked on the spawn 24/7 has made it almost impossible... even something like angry where people had to roll within X amount of time would be better

[enjchanter]

Park enchanter
Afk with text logger to trigger notification application
receive text notification, walk to pc or log in remotely to pc
gratz on getting a chance at epic being completely afk

sold multiple rods using this method

if someone shows up with a melee to stall the mob while others log in, you just leave and let them do their thing

[ScottBerta]

I think this is a great idea.

[kjs86zskidoo]

+1 to this idea might actually do my enchanter epic if this goes into place

[Metheus]

+1 this camp is terrible enough as it is.

[Arvan]

EQ should be mostly about first to engage. Taking out what is one of the most important aspects of classic EQ (mobilizing quickly, getting help from friends, guild, etc) is not a step in the right direction, IMO.

Not sure what game you played in 1999 but that aint everquest bro

[Twochain]

Not sure what game you played in 1999 but that aint everquest bro

I believe i've read on the forums that Vessel and Verina were often left up for days/weeks on live. Such as the common experience was that when enchanters got to that part of their epic quest, the mob was generally speaking up.

Never had an enchanter on live, nor would it be high enough to sniff an epic quest if I did, so i'd love to hear anybody who had completed the quest on live tell their story.

[Tunabros]

how are we supposed to know if they aren't just gonna sell it

[eqtrader99]

You cannot MQ any part of the ENC epic. Per the OP, only the winner of the roll can loot the item in their proposed player agreement. The only people rolling would be enchanters who need the item. This would alleviate any current campers for LR sales only. Essentially reducing the overall competition for the mob to only people who need it.

Just my 2cp on how I interpret the proposal. I think it's a great idea. It's a terrible camp and essentially only makes it achievable to people who are willing to set up GINA audio triggers to alert them that the mob has spawned. Many people aren't willing or able to do that. To be honest, that's against the spirit of the game and quest itself in my opinion.

Hope we can work towards a player agreement to provide a better "quality of life" for enchanters trying to get their epic.

[Gynecologist]

I put forth a proposal for a fresh pvp server and we can avoid all of these shenanigans and tomfoolery.

[knucklehairs]

My wife did the enchanter epic and the cleric epic on live she said the cleric epic was hard and the enchanter epic was easy

[Master Roshi]

My wife did the enchanter epic and the cleric epic on live she said the cleric epic was hard and the enchanter epic was easy

I'm betting she did it in 2003 or later when life was very different in EQ, we are capped at circa 2001 gear, its very different and more competitive when absolutely everybody wants the same item.

[knucklehairs]

i dont think so we moved in 2002 and stopped playing

[getsome]

RAgefire had a much longer spawn time during epic release. Servers had huge wait lists for Ragefire. Servers would reset so often that windows for ragefire were always set back and require folks to muster the lower level folks to kill naggy.

P99 Ragefire was unclassically chamged to be easier after epics came out.

https://legacy.zam.com/story.html?story=1050

[Katran]

No.

[Twochain]

No.

good input

[Twochain]

Where would we go to put this up for an official vote?

[ScottBerta]

However they did it for Scout Charisa. It’s challenging because I’d assume GMs would have to get involved because the RMTers won’t agree to this as they sit on spawn point with a few people.

[DKN]

No Thanks. Fight for FTE if you want your epic.

[Bellringer]

if You can line up for stormfeather I find it odd you can’t line up for vt or vd.

This.

P99 was unclassically changed

ftfy.

[VII]

who can i drown in plat for loot rights? thanks.

[bomaroast]

Player agreements ruin what we all came here for: a classic experience

[VII]

Player agreements ruin what we all came here for: a classic experience

exactly. we all know the real enchanter epic is Zlandicar’s Heart and the *real* epic Quest we all accept is farming that 250k at Broodmother in Velks solo

[ibanezjs100]

exactly. we all know the real enchanter epic is Zlandicar’s Heart and the *real* epic Quest we all accept is farming that 250k at Broodmother in Velks solo
lol

[Toxigen]

exactly. we all know the real enchanter epic is Zlandicar’s Heart and the *real* epic Quest we all accept is farming that 250k at Broodmother in Velks solo

haha

Let's take it one step further. Z heart + FT8 + Manna Robe = enc epic

Snake stick is pure fashion if you have the above items.

[Twainz]

Both are up right now on Red99 without a line. Hit me up if you need help with the kills.

[Snortles Chortles]

LOL’d

[Mercenary]

Park enchanter
Afk with text logger to trigger notification application
receive text notification, walk to pc or log in remotely to pc
gratz on getting a chance at epic being completely afk

well put LMAO

[wtsgoodtime]

I'm not wasting my time getting the epic in its current state. I think they should increase the spawn rate to something more reasonable. That goes for all of the epic pieces that are ridiculously hard to get, not due to skill, but just due to how much time are you willing to waste? Not going to happen, I know... no changes.

[enjchanter]

basically nothing in this game requires skill tho
if you have a basic understanding of mechanics you can do 99% of the content

[enjchanter]

haha

Let's take it one step further. Z heart + FT8 + Manna Robe = enc epic

Snake stick is pure fashion if you have the above items.

this is 100% not true lol
mana robe for enchanter is trash
mana free haste for your pet is huge value if you solo anything besides green cons

[MaCtastic]

I think if you changed this to a roll on pop you’d get more interest.

[MaCtastic]

this is 100% not true lol
mana robe for enchanter is trash
mana free haste for your pet is huge value if you solo anything besides green cons

Dunno, 20+ mana a tick is pretty good. Couple with a healer or regen and it’s even better.

[MaCtastic]

Where would we go to put this up for an official vote?

To the same place they took the Ring 10 agreement.

[cogthegreat]

LOL

[Baylan295]

this is 100% not true lol
mana robe for enchanter is trash
mana free haste for your pet is huge value if you solo anything besides green cons

Enc epic is also a huge stat stick for the solo enc. The stat density on the enchanter epic is pretty exceptional.

Can also confirm mana robe for enchanter is trash. And if you are going to poop sock enough to get FT8 then you can handle the enchanter epic.

[sixoffive]

I sat at VD all my spare time for a week then ported in right after a quake and got it for Enc epic. I think it is a good right of passage to keep the epic a sign of prestige. I don't support a random agreement.

[Croco]

I sat at VD all my spare time for a week then ported in right after a quake and got it for Enc epic. I think it is a good right of passage to keep the epic a sign of prestige. I don't support a random agreement.

Imagine gatekeeping epic drops in 2021. Yikes. There are a million of every epic on the server there's nothing prestigious about any of them. Someone getting something you have slightly easier than you got it does not devalue your accomplishments.

[ibanezjs100]

Imagine gatekeeping epic drops in 2021. Yikes. There are a million of every epic on the server there's nothing prestigious about any of them. Someone getting something you have slightly easier than you got it does not devalue your accomplishments.

"I suffered, you should too."

[Darmai]

Imagine gatekeeping epic drops in 2021. Yikes. There are a million of every epic on the server there's nothing prestigious about any of them. Someone getting something you have slightly easier than you got it does not devalue your accomplishments.

I also think the "sale" of loot rights is quite pathetic and should be against server rules, its a thin line away from RMT imo, and is just as negative of behavior as RMT. If you're not camping it for your own use GTFO.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Ench epic is worthless stick w/ https://wiki.project1999.com/Staff_of_the_Silent_Star

[Darmai]

Ench epic is worthless stick w/ https://wiki.project1999.com/Staff_of_the_Silent_Star

Blue ribbon for pointless comment of the day.

[Vasarious]

this is 100% not true lol
mana robe for enchanter is trash
mana free haste for your pet is huge value if you solo anything besides green cons

Having snake stick is huge for soloing. Mana free and spell slot is a big deal. Hastes can be expensive to cast and outside of vog the good ones don't last very long. Sos is far superior than vog on a pet anyways. For players,, unless you have 36% worn haste sos is better than vog so it's useful in a lot of pickup situations too. Also in raids if you are getting bombarded with buff tells its a nice stopgap or if you are freshly rezzed mid encounter or whatever. Don't sleep on ench epic utility.

I'd disagree on manna robe. It's not game breaking and I dunno as I'd spend 200k for one, but it's 200 mana a minute bonus. That's 1000 mana every 5 minutes. Can recover that amount as rez effects wear off, plus any FT. Its annoying having to time the ticks but for duo thats a big deal if you wanna do the canni dance and have a healer to top you off. Even solo with troll form/zheart it helps some but duo it makes a difference as much as sitting and standing sucks. It isn't often but I've had situations where a few clicks in the middle of a fight is the difference in getting enuf mana for a remez or emergency gate and save the day. I will say the canni dance has made me realize I don't want to play a shaman tho.

That being said, manna robe and zheart can be expensive pp and dkp wise so prioritize your needs.

[ScottBerta]

Hasting a strong pet with 36% haste is very risky when soloing.. often times I don’t even haste my pet. With torch, summon and stun/interrupting.. a chanter could be dead in a matter of seconds. But I do enjoy SoS for myself and other players.

[Toxigen]

Ench epic is worthless stick w/ https://wiki.project1999.com/Staff_of_the_Silent_Star

Takes about 5% of the time to acquire, too.

Amazing bang-for-your-buck stat stick.

[RevSaber]

Shouldnt let solo players have free shit. Bring your friends and compete

[Plumpys]

Hasting a strong pet with 36% haste is very risky when soloing.. often times I don’t even haste my pet. With torch, summon and stun/interrupting.. a chanter could be dead in a matter of seconds. But I do enjoy SoS for myself and other players.

If you want to farm the good stuff, you have to haste your pets.

[Plumpys]

Shouldnt let solo players have free shit. Bring your friends and compete

That means you either aren’t an enchanter or if you are, you’re not a very good one.

[Jorgam]

VD is an absolute shit show and the people who think you just set it and forget it to get the drop, like some as seen on TV countertop induction oven... haven't got a clue as to what is going on there now days.

The meta is essentially to stand there on your melee or with a charmed pet and wait for spawn, for the whole window if needed. A person sitting on a watcher waiting to camp over and charm / return to FTE is almost never going to get it anymore unless it spawns very early in window. Then there is the occasional person who strolls in and gets the spawn within an hour of arrival. They would say it's not so bad and others are just whiners. It needs to be fixed.

How much proof do the GMs need in order to revisit this spawn timer and stop the soul drain going on at VD?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297386

[Jibartik]

I heard you can just pay a guy over in trading hub to do all this for you.