Best PvP Combo

[pivo]

Someone recently mentioned Shaman & Troll as best PvP combination.

Now I'm curious. Is this consensus opinion here?
What is best PvP combination?

[Snortles Chortles]

Forum Warrior & Shit Poster

[Gustoo]

Forum Warrior & Shit Poster

quoted for truth

[Gustoo]

After analyzing the data, I can confirm that Forum Warrior & Shit Poster is the ultimate combo. I don't know if it has ever really been defeated.

[pivo]

LOL! You guys are too funny!

[pivo]

After analyzing the data...

But joke aside, few days/weeks ago you wrote somewhere how Necro is not among the best ones. So, you do have some ideas. :) Care to share?

[Gustoo]

Depends on level and gear access.

Maximum velious, Ogre Warrior Ogre SK Iksar Monk Barb Rogue Any race (no substantial difference) ranger any race (no substantial difference) paladin.

That is to say any melee with over 150 all resists is going to be having a pretty good time
But not everyone is full geared and not everyone you fight will be full geared.

Bard full naked can probably take most people outdoors and bard with 100+ mr pretty easy or at least can always escape.

In late or post velious BOTB rallos zek won with two cleric two warrior and monk and a bard as their team composition you can note none of those classes need to land spells.

In longer duration PVP casters are limited because mana pool can’t regen fast enough vs health pool which has many regen options including heal spells.

If you want to murder people on the cheap you can drop a big DD spell on someone who is doing PVE and get a kill shot that’s a classic move. Wizards have lures so they can do some damage despite high resists.

That’s my two cents.

The reality is each class can do OK if they manage their situation effectively. Being prepared and good is more important than class.

Right now on Red with damage bonus for range items a large warrior or SK is best because they can hit for over 100 reliably with a bow and arrow when weighted axe is equipped check the bug forum. Rangers also are OP right now for this reason. They can’t get weighted axe damage bonus but still get super bow and arrow damage.

I kinda like rangers being strong but ogre warriors shooting death beams is pretty significant

One thing is that pure melee now (classic enabled) can’t channel which means non instant clickies are easy to interrupt which means they now have disadvantage versus hybrids in this area. It used to be that a warrior with all his clickies was really close to a hybrid in utility but now that channeling is correct they are a big step down in magical utility just because their stuff is hard to use in combat.

You caught me in a chatty mood. I should have just told you to do a search.

Best class and race is the one you want to be. Look for a video of beastagor and you will see an iksar SK in mid grade gear decimate a full group in seb thanks to lethal intent, situational awareness, skill, and tactics. Maybe it was his class and race combo? Good players on any class race combo can take out bad players no matter what combo.

[pivo]

Maximum velious, Ogre Warrior Ogre SK Iksar Monk Barb Rogue Any race (no substantial difference) ranger any race (no substantial difference) paladin.

In longer duration PVP casters are limited because mana pool can’t regen fast enough vs health pool which has many regen options including heal spells.

The reality is each class can do OK if they manage their situation effectively. Being prepared and good is more important than class.

Thank you very very much for all the explanation! I was just curious since I am relatively new to the game and I have never played any mele yet. (I will start Ranger on Red next) I have now much better idea. I was wondering about casters vs non casters. Your explanation makes sense!

Anyway, it was just curiosity, I'm just PvE-ing on red and having fun :)

[Gustoo]

Most people don’t play end game Everquest so I wouldn’t suggest rolling a warrior because in 15 years you will be full BIS and really like it. For most people they’re gunna have a better time as a caster. Really most of the classes can do good work

[crossplay]

Late stage Velious where this server is at with the 50 or less people who log in, any melee should suffice.

On a fresh box, have your pick. The world is your oyster.

[magnetaress]

Ranger Cleric has the best, most diverse toolkit. Weakness, see invis, till later levels.

2v1, wuzards.

2v2 any healer + any melee.

Again, see invis is really useful. So Dru I think? Gets that sooner?

A combo, implies not just a raid environment, where necros, monks, sks, clr are top.

For leveling and ganking. Dru/sk or clr/ranger or shm + melee.

Monks are ok too but super weak vs casters till late game kunark.

For safety, running away, classes with FD, gate. Two mages, two wiz, ench clr., two bards, bard, clr

[Penish]

Unemployment & Drugs.

[pivo]

Thank you everyone for the info.


For safety, running away, classes with FD, gate. Two mages, two wiz, ench clr., two bards, bard, clr

Yes, my both characters have gate ;-)

Question: you mentioned FD. Is FD useful in PvP?

[magnetaress]

Thank you everyone for the info.



Yes, my both characters have gate ;-)

Question: you mentioned FD. Is FD useful in PvP?

Run behind mobs. FD.

Let's you get to deeper camps to engage enemy.

If you're fighting and you both engage mobs as well, then one of you FD, the other can too instead of running for the ZL.

Training people deliberately is really frowned on and punishable. I've had people run circles and figure 8s just outside of mob agro hoping I accidentally tag mob though lol. 5hats risky, but ok ;)

[Fame]

Druid and enchanter could be fun. Easy leveling and with the Druid porting around looking for people PvP might be a option.

I can’t stand not porting or traveling fast, always thought a bard would have been the perfect partner for my friendly wizard porting for clarity

[Gustoo]

The OP was actually asking what single class + race combination is the best

But the best Duo is a good question too.

To me ranger and cleric is a classic combo because of Apostle Paul the pvp champ from original discord server and his brother that played a ranger.

Mostly you need a ranger for track though when being able to hunt and kill your enemy is so important like on discord server.

[magnetaress]

Oh. I misread.

Ogresk and uhm.

Runner up.

Wood elf bard ;p

Ppl say bards are broken. Idk rly tho.

Ide hate to fight a rogue in a tiny room with mobs outside or between me and zl. It's one reason I afk lvl out of doors. They can be tough if you are caught by surprise. Instant death as a caster with low gear. Had to walk away from the comp a few times cuz rogues. Barbarian obviously.

Rangers are pretty dangerous to. I mean they aren't top 1v1 but they can Definitely getchu in a lot of different scenarios. Pretty versatile. Wood elf obviously.

Dru is runner up there cuz they can port to look for prey, but not that good. Wood elf again.

[Kokkusho]

Unemployment & Drugs.

[Gustoo]

So it really comes down to

unemployment & drugs
vs.
forum warrior & shit poster

Take your pick you can’t go wrong

[magnetaress]

A blinking cursor. Moves itself across the forum. The force that compells. Impells.

Is unknown.

Be it shit poster, forum warrior, unemployment, or drugs, be it unemployed forum warrior shit posting drugs. The cursor moves on.

It blinks a second.

OgreSK.

[pivo]

Rangers are pretty dangerous to. I mean they aren't top 1v1 but they can Definitely getchu in a lot of different scenarios. Pretty versatile. Wood elf obviously.

Dru is runner up there cuz they can port to look for prey, but not that good. Wood elf again.

I have Druid to port AWAY from 'prey' lol and to deliver stuff to my Necro.
Ranger will be my next... I like tracking and SoW on Druid. Ranger tick these boxes :)

So Ogre SK is a badass. And Rogues. Good to know. And yes, also everyone that is twinked, which mean just about everyone but me lmao. Staying at low levels makes for nice PvE play. I may never go above 50, will see ;)

[Arogarn]

Depends on level and gear access.
Best class and race is the one you want to be. Look for a video of beastagor and you will see an iksar SK in mid grade gear decimate a full group in seb thanks to lethal intent, situational awareness, skill, and tactics. Maybe it was his class and race combo? Good players on any class race combo can take out bad players no matter what combo.

Beastagor was a legend. That man gave multiple groups of mine so much grief in Plane of Mischief and I'm not sure I ever saw him killed.

[pivo]

Maximum velious, Ogre Warrior Ogre SK Iksar Monk Barb Rogue Any race (no substantial difference) ranger any race (no substantial difference) paladin.

Right now on Red with damage bonus for range items a large warrior or SK is best because they can hit for over 100 reliably with a bow and arrow when weighted axe is equipped check the bug forum. Rangers also are OP right now for this reason. They can’t get weighted axe damage bonus but still get super bow and arrow damage.


I have few sub questions, I've just read those bug posts. Which weighted axe are we talking about, the one that drops off Fores Giants? My Iksar has one ;) Huge damage but huge delay:

https://wiki.project1999.com/A_Weighted_Axe

Or much better Velium one? (do you happen to know how much it sells for on Red?)

https://wiki.project1999.com/Weighted_Velium_Battle_Axe

Now that I've read that Apex has a 'problem' with this 'bug/feature' and that it mainly hurts them since only they are complaining, I'm starting to become curious and interested :)

(That poor player, that was keep being attacked over and over by 3 Apex players, some 10-15 kills in about 20-30 minutes several weeks ago, never logged back again, they drove him/her away. Someone from Apex even bragged about this, how they got rid of a weak player)

So, if this combo drives Apex crazy, I'm starting to be interested lol

Can you tell me more, please? Which bow you need, any kind? At what level can you start to carry this combo? Sorry for maybe a dumb questions, but I've only played casters so far and i'm relatively new to the game. P99 is my first EQ game. I have characters on all three servers but highest only in 30's, so everything is really new to me.

Why you prefer SK Ogre over SK Troll in PvP? Because of better stats, or racials or that front stun immunity...? As solo player I would lean toward Troll's regen unless Ogres is much better PvP wise? Both, SK Ogre & SK Troll can use this Weighted Axe & Bow combo, right?

Feel free to add anything important I may also need to know about this. :)

Gosh! Now I will have to create two new characters instead of one. It will take me few years to see high levels lol We may see Red 2.0 before I peak over 50 ;-)

[pivo]

I have few sub questions, I've just read those bug posts. Which weighted axe are we talking about, the one that drops off Fores Giants? My Iksar has one ;) Huge damage but huge delay:

https://wiki.project1999.com/A_Weighted_Axe

Or much better Velium one? (do you happen to know how much it sells for on Red?)

https://wiki.project1999.com/Weighted_Velium_Battle_Axe


OK I've read few more posts, looks like it is this one:

https://wiki.project1999.com/A_Weighted_Axe

[Knuckle]

Someone recently mentioned Shaman & Troll as best PvP combination.

Now I'm curious. Is this consensus opinion here?
What is best PvP combination?

so we talking race/class for PVP?

PVP Racials:

1.) Ogre Frontal Stun Immunity is the best racial for any shaman in PVP, the troll regen is much less likely to save your life than a interrupted spell, Plus large race bash with 2handers pre epic.

2.) Iksar Regen for monk class since monks have some passive regen gains and can sometimes skirmish in high risk areas of dungeons where they can flop away, the regen is notable and obviously paired with a fungi makes them the superior monk race, but I always played human.

Outside of the above 2, troll regen is nice in specific DoT skirmish scenarios, but isnt going to hold up against the beatdown of a disc melee especially if getting interrupted/no torpor.

Other racials are inconsequential excluding low level play as humans being absolutely crippled without gear/spells to offset nightvision loss, especially brutal for a human melee class without some sort of vision enhancing gear.

Gnome racials - irrelevant
Dwarf - barrel roll for jousting can be distracting for opponent(played dwarf rogue in botb on prior servers)
half-elf - nothing
high elf - nothing
erudite - nothing, high int score....
barbarian - boulder throwing cheese for rogue class

Guess any large race is top tier if you farm boulders.

I think getting sweaty over races has always been a non-factor for the most part.
Xantille was legendary as a wood elf warrior, would he have been better as an ogre? Maybe, but wood elves are smaller hitboxes in jousting, and he was really good.

At the end of the day I played human ranger/wizard, human monk/barb shaman, and lots of other weird non-optimized racial combos and did fine, preparing your clickies, consumables, and having a good feel for your latency and your opponents in duels/jousts, and knowing zones inside and out and how to LoS/Ambush/Fight around terrain + mobs and fully understanding you and your opponents spells/abilities BEFORE you end up in PVP and having an escape plan for ambushes/overwhelming odds, these are the things that make you top tier in PVP, at least until guilds vs guilds, where it turns into who has the better bard groups and main assist.

[Jibartik]

2 wizards vs some group that is oblivious and grinding exp.

[pivo]

so we talking race/class for PVP?
PVP Racials:

1.) Ogre Frontal Stun Immunity is the best racial for any shaman in PVP, the troll regen is much less likely to save your life than a interrupted spell, Plus large race bash with 2handers pre epic.


Yes, this is a good point. In PvP Frontal Stun Immunity can save you, Troll's regen is better at leveling. I'm assuming the same is for SK Ogre v SK Troll. Now I'm torn apart, since I will not be doing any PvP, well at least that's my goal. :) On a second thought, SK don't have gate, how in the world I will be able to flee/avoid PvP?


I think getting sweaty over races has always been a non-factor for the most part.

... and knowing zones inside and out and how to LoS/Ambush/Fight around terrain + mobs and fully understanding you and your opponents spells/abilities BEFORE you end up in PVP...

Yep, you are right. I don't even know characters I'm playing. I'm not the best fit for PvP server, I better stick with classes that can use SoW & Gate spell:)

[Gustoo]

You learn the skills he mentioned by being situationally aware of the game when playing a PVP server. It comes naturally because those factors actually matter on PVP and don't make a difference at all on PVE.

Thats why PVP everquest is so much better despite any of its drawbacks. The game is richer, more aspects of the game are important. After playing PVP, playing PVE feels shallow. Not everyone is going to be the best PVP combat player but anyone can enjoy a game that is more interesting.

[Fame]

The OP was actually asking what single class + race combination is the best

Oh oops lol

Gnome wizard :)

[Snortles Chortles]

2 wizards vs some group that is oblivious and grinding exp.