the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Kaveh]

Eli what’s your senate prediction?

[Elizondo]

Eli what’s your senate prediction?

Depends on how many drop boxes you groomers stuff at 4 in the morning

[Kaveh]

You’re not gonna make a call? Wow pussy

I think it goes 51-49 Republican. Would be worse if dr oz and Herschel Walker weren’t in the mix. Plus Wisconsin could be an L for you guys

[Elizondo]

You’re not gonna make a call? Wow pussy

I think it goes 51-49 Republican. Would be worse if dr oz and Herschel Walker weren’t in the mix. Plus Wisconsin could be an L for you guys

Commies always rig elections

It's what they do

You're pretending like US elections aren't compromised

Good luck with that

[Horza]

Commies always rig elections

It's what they do

You're pretending like US elections aren't compromised

Good luck with that

I can't believe the GOP thinks threatening to make him pay his legal fees will get Trump to delay his announcement until after the midterms, you assholes are all true believers now.

[Jibartik]

Why dont pussies like John Stewart run for president?

[Kaveh]

Why dont pussies like John Stewart run for president?

Seems like he’s going to bud, be careful what you wish for

[robayon]

Seems like he’s going to bud, be careful what you wish fori have criticism of jon stewart but i would support him over joe or donald without hesitation

[Homesteaded]

I haven’t seen Idiocracy but it seems like maybe I could skip it now and just tune in.

[robayon]

I haven’t seen Idiocracy but it seems like maybe I could skip it now and just tune in.how can you not see the movie about you? there's a dude in the beginning who is just like you, he plays for a football team

[MrSparkle001]

Seems like he’s going to bud, be careful what you wish for

At this point I'll take him over any of these other lying jokers. He speaks from the heart. I genuinely believe that. I don't always agree with his viewpoints but he'd make a better, more truthful candidate than anyone currently in Washington or sitting in a governor's mansion.

[Kaveh]

At this point I'll take him over any of these other lying jokers. He speaks from the heart. I genuinely believe that. I don't always agree with his viewpoints but he'd make a better, more truthful candidate than anyone currently in Washington or sitting in a governor's mansion.

I’d go Bill Maher if I’m choosing midget from the TV, but I respect your perspective and don’t think he’d be the worst

[Kaveh]

I also think the fat ass in Maryland wasn’t half bad. hogie or whatever

[MrSparkle001]

I’d go Bill Maher if I’m choosing midget from the TV, but I respect your perspective and don’t think he’d be the worst

Bill Maher is too progressive and atheist for me.

When I start seeing him out there fighting for veterans I might change my tune.

[Kaveh]

Bill Maher is too progressive and atheist for me.

When I start seeing him out there fighting for veterans I might change my tune.

I think maher is less progressive, but like I said I wouldn’t be mad if Stewart got a shot, nor do I disagree with your assessment of him. I think both maher and Stewart would care more about the average person and the consequences of their actions than our current politicians whose souls have been replaced by credit card readers swiped by lobbyists

[robayon]

Bill Maher is too progressive and atheist for me.

When I start seeing him out there fighting for veterans I might change my tune.i agree with you on this. bodes well for jon. i do not like bill maher at all, never have, even when i was a regular lib. he punches down.

[Kaveh]

i agree with you on this. bodes well for jon. i do not like bill maher at all, never have, even when i was a regular lib. he punches down.

He’s a dickhead for sure. Probably why I like him

He compared trump to aquaman because he can talk to whales (Chris Christie). Cracked me up

[Skarne]

The GOP love us veterans...dead ones. The ones they can actually help, they don't and won't.

A few of them also support human sex trafficking apparently. MTG, Boebert, Gaetz (of course). GOP is definitely the party of groomers. Religiously and sexually.

They're all traitors and Putin is loving it. Now that Trump has destabilized our electoral process, idiots like elizondo will believe anything he hears as long as it goes with his conspiracy beliefs despite there being absolutely no evidence.

People like Elizondo consider themselves "true patriots" despite never having served their country's military and also supporting an attack in DC on our own government officials and process. Can't wait to see them all stomped out in the next few years.

[Reiwa]

how can you not see the movie about you? there's a dude in the beginning who is just like you, he plays for a football team

Walker is a better candidate than the TV thinks, they've somehow forgotten Georgia is in the football-loving South.

(Christ no wonder Brady moved to FL. :()

[robayon]

Walker is a better candidate than the TV thinks, they've somehow forgotten Georgia is in the football-loving South.

(Christ no wonder Brady moved to FL. :()football is the only reason he has a chance. the chuds would have eaten him alive months ago if he was identical but running as a democrat. "love black athletes, hate black people" is a very powerful force in all sports in america.

https://i.imgur.com/MfjRGGa.jpeg

[MrSparkle001]

"How" is relevant though.

https://i.gifer.com/Mtiw.gif

[Jibartik]

Will AOC run for president in 2024? Here's what she told Stephen Colbert (she'll be 35!) (https://www.audacy.com/1010wins/news/local/will-aoc-run-for-president-in-2024)

Id vote for her so fast Id love if by some wild series of events we had a 35 year old big booty latina waitress as the first female president.

[robayon]

"How" is relevant though.

https://i.gifer.com/Mtiw.giflook at all historical unrest through this lens and you'll see the problem with your surface-level analysis

and the fact that you fellas are still talking about a few burning cars years later is proof that this form of protest is effective.

[Kaveh]

The GOP love us veterans...dead ones. The ones they can actually help, they don't and won't.

A few of them also support human sex trafficking apparently. MTG, Boebert, Gaetz (of course). GOP is definitely the party of groomers. Religiously and sexually.

They're all traitors and Putin is loving it. Now that Trump has destabilized our electoral process, idiots like elizondo will believe anything he hears as long as it goes with his conspiracy beliefs despite there being absolutely no evidence.

People like Elizondo consider themselves "true patriots" despite never having served their country's military and also supporting an attack in DC on our own government officials and process. Can't wait to see them all stomped out in the next few years.

We don’t stomp out fellow Americans my good sir. Everyone, even Incelizondo, is capable of redemption in the eyes of the Almighty

[Kaveh]

look at all historical unrest through this lens and you'll see the problem with your surface-level analysis

and the fact that you fellas are still talking about a few burning cars years later is proof that this form of protest is effective.

If a protestor kills you is that justified? Cmon man one act of injustice doesn’t justify another

[Jibartik]

Protests are terrorism, got it!

Better hope trump doesnt win lol

[robayon]

If a protestor kills you is that justified? Cmon man one act of injustice doesn’t justify anotherno, but the reverse is also true. all revolutions, even the slow-moving ones, can get messy. the spanish civil war seems especially relevant to our modern american problems.

would i be mad if innocents die? yeah

but it doesn't change my opinion of the broader movement, or the purpose of the movement. innocents also die if we do nothing. innocents die if we wait and go slow and legal.

[Kaveh]

Protests are terrorism, got it!

Better hope trump doesnt win lol

He lost by 7 million votes

Not too worried about it. Also, didn’t say protests were terrorism, but mr sparkle’s point about “how” one protests still stands

[Kaveh]

no, but the reverse is also true. all revolutions, even the slow-moving ones, can get messy. the spanish civil war seems especially relevant to our modern american problems.

would i be mad if innocents die? yeah

but it doesn't change my opinion of the broader movement, or the purpose of the movement. innocents also die if we do nothing. innocents die if we wait and go slow and legal.

Our imperfect system allows us recourse for societal injustice. Once we abandon rule of law we may as well become Iran (no thanks, been there done that)

[Reiwa]

Protests are terrorism, got it!

Better hope trump doesnt win lol

Hollering all night and graffitiing the Mayor's house while her family is home kinda is.

So is forcibly occupying a privately owned hotel armed with axes.

[Kaveh]

Trump still loses to Biden in polls, lol

Even polls that have Biden with 33% approval

[Jibartik]

They also say we're not in a recession.

And inflation was transitory.

Or that the incursion in ukraine would be small and over quickly.

And that sanciotns would work.

And selling 100 tones of our reserves would lower gas prices.

Or that NATO buying russian gas wouldn't be an issue.

Or that

[Reiwa]

They also say we're not in a recession.

And inflation was transitory.

Or that the incursion in ukraine would be small and over quickly.

And that sanciotns would work.

And selling 100 tones of our reserves would lower gas prices.

Or that NATO buying russian gas wouldn't be an issue.

Or that

NATO doesn't control European domestic policy to that degree.

Not saying we have to like it.

[Jibartik]

NATO doesn't control European domestic policy

na·ive
/nīˈēv/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
(of a person or action) showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment.
"the rather naive old man had been totally misled"

https://www.weforum.org/

We live in a society.

[robayon]

Our imperfect system allows us recourse for societal injustice. Once we abandon rule of law we may as well become Iran (no thanks, been there done that)Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable

I am open to discussion of peaceful revolution, personally, I'd always rather do any given thing peacefully... but I do not think it is as simple as "just go vote" anymore

[Jibartik]

he says while there will be no BLM riots for the cop who executed someone by shooting them in the back of the head on video (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/roderick-brooks-shooting-fatal-houston_n_62e18fb0e4b09d14dc3ef013) this morning for shoplifting from a dollar store...
(because a democrat is in the white house and protests are organized by the people at the top, not the bottm.)

xsqB1INoFrs

[Reiwa]

na·ive
/nīˈēv/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
(of a person or action) showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment.
"the rather naive old man had been totally misled"

https://www.weforum.org/

We live in a society.

? Not NATO, non-binding resolutions go brrr.

[Jibartik]

? Not NATO, non-binding resolutions go brrr.

what part of we live in a society do you not understand?

https://i.imgur.com/ojfJMPV.png

Side note: Overpopulation isnt a myth or a problem for the earth, it just doesn't work in a pyramid scheme.

Which is how economies work.

(anecdotally I think it's why the artist took the liberty to subvert the squares who hired him and put this on the dollar)

https://i.imgur.com/zJMgYUa.png

Instead of putting a picture of the parthanon or library of alexandria or something worth celebrating.

Because like bill burr or dave chapel is an artist and can make fun of the absurdity of life, this artist made fun of the absurdity of the system the founders were pitching to him while he drew the dollar for them.

[Reiwa]

what part of we live in a society do you not understand?

https://i.imgur.com/ojfJMPV.png

Side note: Overpopulation isnt a myth or a problem for the earth, it just doesn't work in a pyramid scheme.

Which is how economies work.

(anecdotally I think it's why the artist took the liberty to subvert the squares who hired him and put this on the dollar)

https://i.imgur.com/zJMgYUa.png

Instead of putting a picture of the parthanon or library of alexandria or something worth celebrating.

Because like bill burr or dave chapel is an artist and can make fun of the absurdity of life, this artist made fun of the absurdity of the system the founders were pitching to him while he drew the dollar for them.

WEF is a face agency, they have no actual authority.

[Jibartik]

WEF is a face agency, they have no actual authority.

yeah are you going to tell me that you think the 99.9% of banks that are members of it dont?

Its like you're saying the owners of the football teams dont run the NFL

Or the president's administration doesn't run the USA

There's this weird like, "there is nobody driving the ship and everything is some magical will of the people coming into line magically" ideology that is going around that I dont understand.

[Reiwa]

yeah are you going to tell me that you think the 99.9% of banks that are members of it dont?

Yeah.

[Jibartik]

Who do you think runs the world, trumps ghost?

[robayon]

he says while there will be no BLM riots for the cop who executed someone by shooting them in the back of the head on video (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/roderick-brooks-shooting-fatal-houston_n_62e18fb0e4b09d14dc3ef013) this morning for shoplifting from a dollar store...
(because a democrat is in the white house and protests are organized by the people at the top, not the bottm.)ha. there's lots of things that are bad and happened that didn't result in mass protests. don't worry. the problem was never solved, i have faith that mass protests will return someday. it's just an intersection between how desperate people are and how much stuff is being stocked on shelves at stores. i don't think which party controls which branch matters all that much. maybe some. can't say, i'm a wasp.

[Jibartik]

i have faith that mass protests will return someday.

me to, when a republican is in the white house.

[robayon]

Who do you think runs the world, trumps ghost?somewhere in between "nobody" and "a consortium of billionaires run some aspects of the world"

[Jibartik]

somewhere in between "nobody" and "a consortium of billionaires run some aspects of the world"

OHHH so the 99.9% of banks?

[Reiwa]

Who do you think runs the world, trumps ghost?

Governments.

[Jibartik]

Define a goverment?

[Reiwa]

Define a goverment?

What?

[robayon]

OHHH so the 99.9% of banks?i am sure they play a part, but i am not gonna limit the scope to just bankers. CEOs of large companies, shadow billionaires, rich royal families, purchased politicians, reptilian infilitrators, celebrities... probably a bunch of others. some work together, some are opposed to one another, others work independently, and we are left to work out the details, provide the labor, and be the taxable herd here at the base level of the pyramid.

[Reiwa]

Would you like me to balance a ball on the tip of my nose as well?

[Jibartik]

People chose to cut each others balls off for borders because they want to have kings that never have to go to war.

[Jibartik]

What?

you heard me

https://i.imgur.com/IJSGX1w.png

[robayon]

you know the silence of chuds criticizing trump for this golf tournament thing is pretty deafening in the wake of all the whining about diamond joe shaking hands with the bonesaw dude or whatever the hell that all was

not that i give a single shit about golf, but pissing off the 9/11 families seems a bit callous

[Jibartik]

Who cares when we could be talking about president big booty latina.

[MrSparkle001]

look at all historical unrest through this lens and you'll see the problem with your surface-level analysis

and the fact that you fellas are still talking about a few burning cars years later is proof that this form of protest is effective.

Ahh I see, got it.

https://i.imgflip.com/4tliby.gif

[Jibartik]

100 days riots in your living room "good"

afternoon goverment property riot "bad"

[Reiwa]

Jib can have little a brain damage, as a treat. (https://peoplesworld.org/article/who-is-counting-your-vote-diebold-and-bush-vs-the-public-interest/)

[robayon]

Ahh I see, got it.

https://i.imgflip.com/4tliby.gifyes, like i said, effective. we're still talking about that one, too.

i don't support their motivations for it, and i'm glad the 'dog caught the car' effect saved us from the full-blown fascism they'd have otherwise tried to install after they got the right people, but i do understand them. search my posts if you're bored enough, i've always vocally supported the jan 6th fools.

[MrSparkle001]

yes, like i said, effective. we're still talking about that one, too.

i don't support their motivations for it, and i'm glad the 'dog caught the car' effect saved us from the full-blown fascism they'd have otherwise tried to install after they got the right people, but i do understand them. search my posts if you're bored enough, i've always vocally supported the jan 6th fools.

I don't support any of this nonsense. I don't consider jan 6th some horrible treasonous insurrection like some but I don't support them either.

The violent protesters, the jan 6th rioters, they're all a bunch of morons.

[robayon]

well america was built on protests, and many of the laws we take for granted are the direct result of protests

there's a reason governments fear mass movements. there's a reason companies fear collective action. because they work. for better or for worse, they are effective.

[Botten]

OMG Trump is looking really disheveled. He looks terrible in this picture, in the article below.

And Trump is good as gone. Fox turned on him. It is over.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-is-donald-trump-threatening-to-sue-cnn-and-other-media-outlets/ar-AA104Ucj?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=12d17ec9599f415eabf88d317104eceb

[Jibartik]

Fox has always been against him.

They just are also against biden, and anyone who is against biden biden supporters think support trump.

Fox was the first to call the election in favor of biden, before voting was over because they hate him too.

[Horza]

Fox has always been against him.

They just are also against biden, and anyone who is against biden biden supporters think support trump.

Fox was the first to call the election in favor of biden, before voting was over because they hate him too.

Fox News will back down again in a month like the last time they tried to drop Trump and ratings took a dip as you schizos went to Newsmax.

Also I assume they will eventually realize DeSantis is a charisma black hole.

[Jibartik]

please god newsom/aoc plzzzzz id vote for them 10 times if I could.

[Horza]

Marjorie Taylor Greene says she thought the Democrats should nominate Joe Manchin for president, but has changed her mind after he agreed to raise taxes on people making over $400k a year: “I don’t know what happened to Joe Manchin. He’s really just a tool like the rest of them.”
(https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1553107798816395265)

[Kaveh]

He sure played Mitch McConnell

[robayon]

I dunno, the rotating villain effect isn't off the table yet

Would love to be wrong

[Botten]

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[Kaveh]

I dunno, the rotating villain effect isn't off the table yet

Would love to be wrong

Yeah you’re probably right. Sinema is due

[Elizondo]

OMG Trump is looking really disheveled. He looks terrible in this picture, in the article below.

And Trump is good as gone. Fox turned on him. It is over.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-is-donald-trump-threatening-to-sue-cnn-and-other-media-outlets/ar-AA104Ucj?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=12d17ec9599f415eabf88d317104eceb

Bruh he's playin 18 holes of golf

They have to inject Pedo Pete with meth just to keep him awake

Hope that helps

[Horza]

Bruh he's playin 18 holes of golf

They have to inject Pedo Pete with meth just to keep him awake

Hope that helps

What are your plans if Murdoch finally manages to successfully eject Trump from the Fox News Cinematic Universe, just pretend that DeSantis was really the MAGA King all along?

[Jibartik]

What are your plans if democrats win? Buy a house?

Maybe invest in the stock market a little for retire--

Oh shit wait..

[Elizondo]

What are your plans if Murdoch finally manages to successfully eject Trump from the Fox News Cinematic Universe, just pretend that DeSantis was really the MAGA King all along?

Bro you're the only one that watches Fox News here

BTW did you see Pedo Pete give that speech the other day? Holy shit he was tweaking out of his mind. Didn't blink for 40 seconds.

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What are your plans if democrats win? Buy a house?

Maybe invest in the stock market a little for retire--

Oh shit wait..

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[Jibartik]

If china shoots down that nacy 's plane... will you guys blame china for starting the war?

Or even though Biden doesn't know why she's going there, the military told her not to, and china said they would shoot down her plane if she did, and XI told biden if you play with fire youll get burnt... will you say that is chinas fault? Or will you admit this war was deliberately started for NO reason by the democrats, since nobody knows whey she is even going?

Or would you be like, XI started this!

[robayon]

Bruh he's playin 18 holes of golf

They have to inject Pedo Pete with meth just to keep him awake

Hope that helpsDo you honestly think, in your heart of hearts, that Donald Trump would survive the amount of meth they put into the Diamond King to keep him going?

That spill off the bike woulda killed most people the same age and Diamond King Joe just laughed it off

The Kissinger Lich AA is a real thing

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/LtatjAz.gif

[Horza]

Bro you're the only one that watches Fox News here

BTW did you see Pedo Pete give that speech the other day? Holy shit he was tweaking out of his mind. Didn't blink for 40 seconds.

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So you plan to just keep winging it until Diaper Don loses the primary or finally strokes out, I guess that's not really a big surprise.

[Elizondo]

So you plan to just keep winging it until Diaper Don loses the primary or finally strokes out, I guess that's not really a big surprise.

Bro Pedo Pete on his last legs

They totally keepin him hopped up on meth to get him through the mid terms

How does it feel cucking for an old senile crackhead that fondles and sniffs little kids?

[robayon]

How does it feel cucking for an old senile crackhead that fondles and sniffs little kids?spiderman spiderman spiderman spiderman

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/LtatjAz.gif

Blinkgate is the most aggrieved scandal since MustardTanSuitGate!

[Reiwa]

If china shoots down that nacy 's plane... will you guys blame china for starting the war?

Or even though Biden doesn't know why she's going there, the military told her not to, and china said they would shoot down her plane if she did, and XI told biden if you play with fire youll get burnt... will you say that is chinas fault? Or will you admit this war was deliberately started for NO reason by the democrats, since nobody knows whey she is even going?

Or would you be like, XI started this!

They'll back down, it's a flex.

[Kaveh]

If china shoots down that nacy 's plane... will you guys blame china for starting the war?

Or even though Biden doesn't know why she's going there, the military told her not to, and china said they would shoot down her plane if she did, and XI told biden if you play with fire youll get burnt... will you say that is chinas fault? Or will you admit this war was deliberately started for NO reason by the democrats, since nobody knows whey she is even going?

Or would you be like, XI started this!

If China shoots down a plane with the speaker of the house on board will that be China’s fault? Yes, obviously it would be their fault. You being serious right now?

[Kaveh]

Bro Pedo Pete on his last legs

They totally keepin him hopped up on meth to get him through the mid terms

How does it feel cucking for an old senile crackhead that fondles and sniffs little kids?

How does it feel to be 35 and a virgin?

[Horza]

If China shoots down a plane with the speaker of the house on board will that be China’s fault? Yes, obviously it would be their fault. You being serious right now?

Of course he's serious, this is a guy who thinks Biden made Putin invade Ukraine and Trump is the greatest living president.

[Elizondo]

How does it feel to be 35 and a virgin?

Mad Grandpa triggered and lashin out

[robayon]

Mad Grandpa triggered and lashin outnot seeing a denial here, yet again

[Elizondo]

not seeing a denial here, yet again

Why would I respond to cliche ad hominems from a grumpy old man

You guys try so hard to bully on elf forums and I just laugh at you

Hope that helps

[robayon]

Why would I respond to cliche ad hominems from a grumpy old man

You guys try so hard to bully on elf forums and I just laugh at you

Hope that helpsy'know we've talked about recycling cliches before but i'm not sure it took based on the content of this post

[Elizondo]

y'know we've talked about recycling cliches before but i'm not sure it took based on the content of this post

I've been purposely not engaging you lately because of the RL issues you've been going through. I have genuine sympathy for your situation and arguing politics is just fun and games to me and it would be improper and low class IMO to fight with you in the gutter right now over stupid shit like politics that don't really matter all that much in life

It's not personal and it never will be

I'm simply mirroring another poster here that has totally destroyed any semblance of real discussion. I've been trying to be obvious about it for quite some time now and I'm amazed nobody has caught on yet

[robayon]

I've been purposely not engaging you lately because of the RL issues you've been going through. I have genuine sympathy for your situation and arguing politics is just fun and games to me and it would be improper and low class IMO to fight with you in the gutter right now over stupid shit like politics that don't really matter all that much in life

It's not personal and it never will be

I'm simply mirroring another poster here that has totally destroyed any semblance of real discussion. I've been trying to be obvious about it for quite some time now and I'm amazed nobody has caught on yeti'm gonna send you a private message okay

[Botten]

I've been purposely not engaging you lately because of the RL issues you've been going through. I have genuine sympathy for your situation and arguing politics is just fun and games to me and it would be improper and low class IMO to fight with you in the gutter right now over stupid shit like politics that don't really matter all that much in life

It's not personal and it never will be

I'm simply mirroring another poster here that has totally destroyed any semblance of real discussion. I've been trying to be obvious about it for quite some time now and I'm amazed nobody has caught on yet

So basically all that for a year due to your hatred of Horza? Teppler.... Baler... is that you?

[Jibartik]

I'm simply mirroring another poster here that has totally destroyed any semblance of real discussion.

https://i.imgur.com/eSzErfH.gif

[robayon]

https://i.imgur.com/eSzErfH.gifi sent him a pm i don't think it's you, me or him but as long as we can all agree An Idiot Abroad was a enjoyable show

[Jibartik]

i sent him a pm i don't think it's you, me or him but as long as we can all agree An Idiot Abroad was a enjoyable show

oh i know who he was talking about haha and yes thats a great one that guy is me IRL

[Kaveh]

Ricky Gervais is pretty funny

[Horza]

Infowars’ parent company files for bankruptcy. (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jul/29/infowars-alex-jones-bankruptcy)

https://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif

[Elizondo]

So basically all that for a year due to your hatred of Horza? Teppler.... Baler... is that you?

Why do you think it's Horza?

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[Reiwa]

As a millennial narcissist I sure hope it's me! 🤪

[Jibartik]

Just a Saturday off the coast with the boys

jg83Ex-UriY

[Jibartik]

lol wait what, biden is building the wall??

https://i.imgur.com/OQEvVjF.png

[Reiwa]

lol wait what, biden is building the wall??

https://i.imgur.com/OQEvVjF.png

Biden (D-DE), Yea (https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/6061/actions)

Clinton (D-NY), Yea (https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1092/vote_109_2_00262.htm)

[Elizondo]

Biden (D-DE), Yea (https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/6061/actions)

Clinton (D-NY), Yea (https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1092/vote_109_2_00262.htm)

Qd05p-bHos4

[Jibartik]

Just another promise kept by uncle commandant joe

https://i.imgur.com/E1PeLat.gif

Was the first "indian giver", a democrat? I wonder.

[Reiwa]

Qd05p-bHos4

Mr Tromp may have told you different, but the President can't just ignore the law. Those noodles were already boiling, sir.

[Elizondo]

Mr Tromp may have told you different, but the President can't just ignore the law. Those noodles were already boiling, sir.

X3WvAv0cj1w

[Horza]

Just another promise kept by uncle commandant joe

https://i.imgur.com/E1PeLat.gif

Was the first "indian giver", a democrat? I wonder.

Indian giver, what is it the 1980s still? You trailer trash are so out of touch with the cultural zeitgeist, no wonder you all think your obese messianic figure got cheated.

[Jibartik]

no wonder you all think your obese messianic figure

You calling dark biden the messiah?

[Horza]

You calling dark biden the messiah?

The guy who flew on Epstein's underage sex plane more than half a dozen times probably isn't the chosen one.

You watched too much Star Wars, kid.

[Jibartik]

The guy who flew on Epstein's underage sex plane more than half a dozen times probably isn't the chosen one.

I wasnt aware biden was flying on epstines plane a dozen times but it doesnt suprise me.

But why do you keep calling biden a messianic figure?

[Horza]

I wasnt aware biden was flying on epstines plane a dozen times but it doesnt suprise me.

But why do you keep calling biden a messianic figure?

I see you've moved on from middle school racial slurs to the time-tested classic of I'm rubber and you're glue, but are you still pretending to be some kind of Democrat while constantly simping for Trump?

[Jibartik]

Speaking of middle school slurs: you are such a douchebag.

Indian giver meant white man gave land to indians and then took it back? So if its racist, it's racist against white people.

Of course you know that, which is why you are mad: Because you're a alt right white supremist who pretends to be a leftist so you can antagonize people online without getting banned.

Why else would you be so mad Im making fun of your white heritage?

Why else do you bring up trump every day? He literally has not been mentioned on these boards since you last logged off.

Youve never once denied being tepplar, and it's very obvious that is who you are.

[Horza]

You realize Indian giver meant white man gave land to indians and then took it back?

lmao this is history on Fox News.

The concept of an "Indian gift" or an "Indian giver" traces its roots back to at least the 1700s. In his 1765 History of the Province of Massachusetts Bay, "Thomas Hutchinson defined an Indian gift as a present "for which an equivalent return is expected."

During their legendary journey West in 1804, explorers Meriwether Lewis and William Clark often encountered Indians over the course of their travels. The picture the pair paints of Indians and their culture was not pretty. Lewis and Clark frequently suspected Indians of either stealing their belongings or plotting to do so. Gifts in particular, as Thomas P. Slaughter points out in his book Exploring Lewis and Clark: Reflections on Men and Wilderness, frequently created problems for the explorers.

Slaughter writes that in one instance, a group of Indians offered Lewis and Clark some roots, which the explorers rejected because they felt that "the Indians' expectation for those presents of a few roots is three or four times their real worth." Turning down the gift, however, insulted their hosts and led Lewis and Clark to label the Indians "forward and impertinent, and thievish," in their journals.

Author David Wilton argues in his 2004 book Word Myths: Debunking Linguistic Urban Legends that the concept of an "Indian gift" arose when white settlers misinterpreted the Native American concept of bartering: "To an Indian, the giving of gifts was an extension of this system of trade and a gift was expected to be reciprocated with something of equal value. Europeans, upon encountering this practice, misunderstood it, considering it uncouth and impolite. To them, trade was conducted with money and gifts were freely given with nothing expected in return. So this native practice got a bad reputation among the white colonists of North America and the term eventually became a playground insult." (https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/02/217295339/the-history-behind-the-phrase-dont-be-an-indian-giver)

[Jibartik]

lmao this is history on Fox News.

The concept of an "Indian gift" or an "Indian giver" traces its roots back to at least the 1700s. In his 1765 History of the Province of Massachusetts Bay, "Thomas Hutchinson defined an Indian gift as a present "for which an equivalent return is expected."

During their legendary journey West in 1804, explorers Meriwether Lewis and William Clark often encountered Indians over the course of their travels. The picture the pair paints of Indians and their culture was not pretty. Lewis and Clark frequently suspected Indians of either stealing their belongings or plotting to do so. Gifts in particular, as Thomas P. Slaughter points out in his book Exploring Lewis and Clark: Reflections on Men and Wilderness, frequently created problems for the explorers.

Slaughter writes that in one instance, a group of Indians offered Lewis and Clark some roots, which the explorers rejected because they felt that "the Indians' expectation for those presents of a few roots is three or four times their real worth." Turning down the gift, however, insulted their hosts and led Lewis and Clark to label the Indians "forward and impertinent, and thievish," in their journals.

Author David Wilton argues in his 2004 book Word Myths: Debunking Linguistic Urban Legends that the concept of an "Indian gift" arose when white settlers misinterpreted the Native American concept of bartering: "To an Indian, the giving of gifts was an extension of this system of trade and a gift was expected to be reciprocated with something of equal value. Europeans, upon encountering this practice, misunderstood it, considering it uncouth and impolite. To them, trade was conducted with money and gifts were freely given with nothing expected in return. So this native practice got a bad reputation among the white colonists of North America and the term eventually became a playground insult." (https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/02/217295339/the-history-behind-the-phrase-dont-be-an-indian-giver)



Nice racist rant about how much you hate native americans, tepplar.

[Jibartik]

Nirgon and tepplar are gone and wont be back ever.

Because they're both posting under the moniker HORZA

You wont deny it because it's true.

Now reply, again to me.

[Horza]

Sorry, I was busy laughing at how stupid you sound saying Indian giver is actually racist against white people.

[Jibartik]

Sorry, I was busy laughing at how stupid you sound saying Indian giver is actually racist against white people.

The irony is that my interperitation of it was that white colonists were liars

but youre like "NO INDIANS ARE LIARS!"

gtfo tepplar with your racist shit dressed like a lib while you simp white supremacy with your incessant dog whistling.

[Horza]

The irony is that my interperitation of it was that white colonists were liars

but youre like "NO INDIANS ARE LIARS!"

gtfo tepplar with your racist shit dressed like a lib.

You should try digging up, you retarded motherfucker.

[Jibartik]

You should try digging up, you retarded motherfucker.

I was insulting white history and you're like:

"B-b-b-b-ut my white herritige! it w-w-w-was the indians!"

[Horza]

Insulting white culture by defending your reflexive use of racial slurs against non-whites? I refuse to believe that all Republicans are as stupid and delusional as you are, Jib.

[Jibartik]

Insulting white culture by defending your reflexive use of racial slurs against non-whites? I refuse to believe that all Republicans are as stupid and delusional as you are, Jib.

I literally used the term directly speaking about democrats giving land and taking it away, and you spent a whole page trying to say lewis and clark were great and the natives were liars.

"UM NO EXCUSE ME! that term means Indians are liars, here's a bunch of examples about why I think that:"

That's you dude. If anyone had a reflex, it was you to correct my disparaging remarks about your precious white heritage.

[Horza]

Lewis and Clark were great, when did I ever say that? You retards are all the same, seriously thinking if you fling enough shit then some of it will stick. Get the fuck out of here with this saying Indian giver like a middle school kid is really racist against white people shtick.

[Jibartik]

Lewis and Clark were great.

Yeah Im aware you made that clear you thought that in this rant from 5 minuets ago about manifest destiny and how you think native americans were liars.

The concept of an "Indian gift" or an "Indian giver" traces its roots back to at least the 1700s. In his 1765 History of the Province of Massachusetts Bay, "Thomas Hutchinson defined an Indian gift as a present "for which an equivalent return is expected."

During their legendary journey West in 1804, explorers Meriwether Lewis and William Clark often encountered Indians over the course of their travels. The picture the pair paints of Indians and their culture was not pretty. Lewis and Clark frequently suspected Indians of either stealing their belongings or plotting to do so. Gifts in particular, as Thomas P. Slaughter points out in his book Exploring Lewis and Clark: Reflections on Men and Wilderness, frequently created problems for the explorers.

Slaughter writes that in one instance, a group of Indians offered Lewis and Clark some roots, which the explorers rejected because they felt that "the Indians' expectation for those presents of a few roots is three or four times their real worth." Turning down the gift, however, insulted their hosts and led Lewis and Clark to label the Indians "forward and impertinent, and thievish," in their journals.

Author David Wilton argues in his 2004 book Word Myths: Debunking Linguistic Urban Legends that the concept of an "Indian gift" arose when white settlers misinterpreted the Native American concept of bartering: "To an Indian, the giving of gifts was an extension of this system of trade and a gift was expected to be reciprocated with something of equal value. Europeans, upon encountering this practice, misunderstood it, considering it uncouth and impolite. To them, trade was conducted with money and gifts were freely given with nothing expected in return. So this native practice got a bad reputation among the white colonists of North America and the term eventually became a playground insult."

Sorry dude, I thought it meant white colonists promised land and took it from indians.

I didnt know that you white supremists had such a cold grip on your precious colonizer history.

Keep it up, keep dog whistling about your superiority and I will remind you over and over: the people who promised things and took it away were white people sorry you dont like that you neo nazi scumbag.

[Horza]

I don't really give a shit what you tried to imply by saying an outdated racial slur for non-whites, you stupid bastard.

[Jibartik]

I don't really give a shit what you tried to imply by saying an outdated racial slur for non-whites, you stupid bastard.

I am sorry that your precious white heritage cannot stand up against scrutiny

In negotiations with Native nations, American officials promised that Indian reservations would always belong to the tribes, and that treaty payments and provisions would be delivered in full and on time. Dakota and Ojibwe people were promised everlasting possession of their reservation lands. However, time would show that these promises were not to be honored.

Angered by a string of broken treaty promises and the loss of their territories, Dakota warriors and members of a sovereign nation chose to defend their lifeways in battle in 1862. Five weeks later, the war was over, and Dakota people faced revenge, punishment, and exile for their actions. In response, the United States nullified all of their treaties, sold their tribal lands, and redirected treaty payments to settlers who clamored for war reparations.

Five years later in 1867, the U.S. negotiated a new treaty that would relocate all Ojibwe people in Minnesota to a new reservation: White Earth. Many Ojibwe resisted the removal effort and, like the Dakota, chose to assert their sovereignty and defend their treaty-guaranteed rights to retain their original reservation lands.

Over the intervening decades, the U.S. exploited tribal resources and attempted to dismantle tribal land ownership by dividing reservations into parcels for allotment to individual tribal members.

Now, once again, explain to me why you think the native americans were liars.

Maybe then follow it up with another story about L&C with some sprinkled in manifest destiny too.

Sorry hitler the white people were the liars and the gift takers, not the indians no matter how badly you want to push that narrative.

[Horza]

I get it you hate native americans, please stop spamming about it ok?

Go watch tucker, which you do and post about every day, tepplar.

Next you'll probably say Native Americans are racist against themselves for voting Biden by like a thirty percent margin.

I get it, you're mad staff banned your pal.

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/0mufWPh.png

[Horza]

I liked the comment you deleted accusing me of double reverse racism for calling out your racial slur better.

[Jibartik]

I stand by my interpretation and usage of the term. http://treatiesmatter.org/exhibit/welcome/broken-promises/#:~:text=In%20negotiations%20with%20Native%20natio ns,possession%20of%20their%20reservation%20lands. And saying it's not is trying to whitewash history.

[Mblake1981]

I won't denounce the pioneers, or what they did, for the same reason I am pro-life.

I am only here because of them, hating them would be self-hatred which is poison.

https://i.imgur.com/dCQ0O3m.jpg

[Reiwa]

I stand by my interpretation and usage of the term. http://treatiesmatter.org/exhibit/welcome/broken-promises/#:~:text=In%20negotiations%20with%20Native%20natio ns,possession%20of%20their%20reservation%20lands. And saying it's not is trying to whitewash history.

The slur is 'indian'? Both feather and dot?

[Mblake1981]

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[Jibartik]

Maybe I came through a cern portal

[Horza]

The slur is 'indian'? Both feather and dot?

Trying to make sense of their gibberish will just make them more angry.

[Jibartik]

BTW it was Abe that was the first to not deliver on a promise to the dakotas in 1862 so I was wrong, wasn't a democrat.

[Jibartik]

OMG they arrested Starkind

https://twitter.com/thereclaimparty/status/1553383256439115776



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11063507/Police-force-savaged-crime-commissioner-arrest-army-veteran.html

Context is someone posted a photo of pride flags in the shape of a swastika, this person being arrested retweeted the post. Someone reported his retweet to the police, and under British law they charged him with malicious communications. They had gone to his house previously and said he could take a "education course" for £80 but he declined when they came back, so they arrested him.

[Reiwa]

OMG they arrested Starkind

https://twitter.com/thereclaimparty/status/1553383256439115776

Goddamn unitary states. :mad:

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/UJq9XV6.png

[Jibartik]

While republican is president: Why Trump’s attack on USPS is an attack on the Constitution, democracy, and racial equality (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/08/24/why-trumps-attack-on-usps-is-an-attack-on-the-constitution-democracy-and-racial-equality/)

While a democrat is president: USPS Plans to Slash 50,000 Positions in Coming Years to Reach 'Break Even' Point (https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2022/07/usps-plans-slash-50000-positions-coming-years-reach-break-even-point/375096/)

https://i.imgur.com/2LgBwJ5.gif

[Horza]

Sen. Bill Cassidy on the veterans' health care bill he just voted against: "I strongly support it." (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1553758040188485635)

GOPtards would probably vote for Satan himself if he promised that he'd own the libs.

[Jibartik]

And demtards would vote for satan himself if he said he the other guy was satan.

Wall, defund postal service, militarily industrial complex, police funding, nat guard because immigration is a problem...

Whats the difference?

"what they say to get me to vote!" that's the difference.

[Jibartik]

Whats the difference?

did I studder?

[Horza]

Wall, defund postal service, militarily industrial complex, police funding, nat guard because immigration is a problem...

Whats the difference?

"what they say to get me to vote!" that's the difference.

Nice edit, it's just too bad Diaper Don is going to completely fuck up the midterms for you guys so he can keep his grift going.

[Jibartik]

Nice edit, it's just too bad Diaper Don is going to completely fuck up the midterms for you guys so he can keep his grift going.

Yeah, also too bad corpse face dark brandon is doing the same!

[Horza]

Have you ever considered not basing your sense of self-worth entirely on the political fortunes of a fat pedophile?

[Jibartik]

Have you ever considered not basing your sense of self-worth entirely on the political fortunes of a fat pedophile?

who tf talking about him? Oh yea: you.

[Elizondo]

Sen. Bill Cassidy on the veterans' health care bill he just voted against: "I strongly support it." (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1553758040188485635)

GOPtards would probably vote for Satan himself if he promised that he'd own the libs.

Why not just have a clean Vets bill without all the pork thrown in?

This is a scam Dems have been running for years. Call it a "Vets Bill" and load it with pork and handouts to all of their friends. It's a total scam.

Both parties do it and it's corrupt to the core

[Horza]

Why not just have a clean Vets bill without all the pork thrown in?

This is a scam Dems have been running for years. Call it a "Vets Bill" and load it with pork and handouts to all of their friends. It's a total scam.

Both parties do it and it's corrupt to the core

lmao we both know it's because Manchin schooled McConnell and now you need to spin keeping promises to our veterans as a scam or partisan or whatever stupid bullshit.

[Reiwa]

Why not just have a clean Vets bill without all the pork thrown in?

This is a scam Dems have been running for years. Call it a "Vets Bill" and load it with pork and handouts to all of their friends. It's a total scam.

Both parties do it and it's corrupt to the core

What's the pork? It should be an amendment(s) added during the voteorama thing they do now.

My rep got $2m for pocket gophers.

[Horza]

Alex Jones says he filed for bankruptcy so his appeal bond on the Sandy Hook judgment will now only be half his net worth, allowing him to tie it up for years and stay on the air. (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1554126697733267469)

[Jibartik]

Alex Jones says he filed for bankruptcy so his appeal bond on the Sandy Hook judgment will now only be half his net worth, allowing him to tie it up for years and stay on the air. (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1554126697733267469)

The left watching him get away

https://i.imgur.com/QTUY4jl.gif

[Horza]

The left watching him get away

https://i.imgur.com/QTUY4jl.gif

I'm sure the statement won't be used against him in court, you fucking idiot.

[Jibartik]

Haha bold of you to think there will be courts by the time he'd be in one.

[Elizondo]

What's the pork? It should be an amendment(s) added during the voteorama thing they do now.

My rep got $2m for pocket gophers.

Dems are just hiding a 400B slush fund in a 'veterans bill'. Cynical.

https://www.amazon.com/Burn-Pits-Poisoning-Americas-Soldiers/dp/1510705732

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https://www.cbo.gov/system/files?file=2022-06/hr3967_senate_version.pdf

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[Reiwa]

One or more of us doesn't know what discretionary spending is.

[Reiwa]

Barack O'Biden 2, Tromp 1. (https://apnews.com/article/ayman-al-zawahri-al-qaida-terrorism-biden-36e5f10256c9bc9972b252849eda91f2)

A U.S. airstrike has killed al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahri in Afghanistan

[Jibartik]

This is so f'd up lol what the f is going on.

White House says ‘we do not support Taiwan independence’ amid reports of Pelosi visit
(https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-says-nothing-changed-181026373.html)

https://i.imgur.com/NxX31HZ.gif

Since Taiwan is our #1 non china chip producer, and we're investing in chips, is it because we know we're going to hand it over to china?

[Reiwa]

This is so f'd up lol what the f is going on.

White House says ‘we do not support Taiwan independence’ amid reports of Pelosi visit
(https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-says-nothing-changed-181026373.html)

Since Taiwan is our #1 non china chip producer, and we're investing in chips, is it because we know we're going to hand it over to china?

On Monday, CNN first reported that Ms Pelosi planned on visition the island nation

😬

[Elizondo]

One or more of us doesn't know what discretionary spending is.

What a lame non response

That's the point. Pork is being labeled by dems in this bill as 'mandatory' spending. Not discretionary.

It's a technical budget gimmick that both parties engage in and it has to stop. Especially with inflation going through the roof.

[Skarne]

What a lame non response

That's the point. Pork is being labeled by dems in this bill as 'mandatory' spending. Not discretionary.

It's a technical budget gimmick that both parties engage in and it has to stop. Especially with inflation going through the roof.

No…it means that the money in the bill goes mandatorily to the veterans full stop…in layman’s terms it means it isn’t up to anyone else where the money goes or if it stops for any reason in the future. You’re so blindfolded but then again it’s expected from someone who doesn’t believe in dinosaurs or science.

You’re way more dumb than I thought haha.

[Kaveh]

Oh wow this dude believes Ted cruz talking points

Christ almighty

[Kaveh]

Barack O'Biden 2, Tromp 1. (https://apnews.com/article/ayman-al-zawahri-al-qaida-terrorism-biden-36e5f10256c9bc9972b252849eda91f2)

https://youtube.com/shorts/OKio5gKiJ_Y?feature=share

[azeth]

What a lame non response

That's the point. Pork is being labeled by dems in this bill as 'mandatory' spending. Not discretionary.

It's a technical budget gimmick that both parties engage in and it has to stop. Especially with inflation going through the roof.

Care to explain why the US has the lowest rate of inflation among all NATO allied countries as of 8/1/2022?

[Elizondo]

NoÂ…it means that the money in the bill goes mandatorily to the veterans full stopÂ…in laymanÂ’s terms it means it isnÂ’t up to anyone else where the money goes or if it stops for any reason in the future. YouÂ’re so blindfolded but then again itÂ’s expected from someone who doesnÂ’t believe in dinosaurs or science.

YouÂ’re way more dumb than I thought haha.

No it wouldn't. Mandatory spending is not reviewed the same way discretionary spending is. Holy shit you're gullible. Dems will bleed this bill to line their own pockets.

It allows a 400B future slush fund that would have nothing to do with veteran's HC spending. It's a classic budget gimmick. Brand a bill for veterans with language that allows for massive new government spending on all kinds of goodies lobbyists want.

Both sides have been doing it for years.

The original version voted on in the Senate PASSED

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3373/text

Once it reached the House, they changed the language which created the accounting gimmick

Here is Toomey's amendment. Schumer didn't allow a vote on it. Wow I'm shocked:

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-168/issue-123/senate-section/article/S3643-2

If they clean up the bill, remove the pork spending gimmicks, it will pass

[Elizondo]

Care to explain why the US has the lowest rate of inflation among all NATO allied countries as of 8/1/2022?

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You call that low?

[Jibartik]

Dark brandon couldn't even wait half a year before he started shooting at afghanstan after abruptly ending the war in afghanstan.

[Reiwa]

What a lame non response

That's the point. Pork is being labeled by dems in this bill as 'mandatory' spending. Not discretionary.

It's a technical budget gimmick that both parties engage in and it has to stop. Especially with inflation going through the roof.

Sorry the picture and the highlights only say discretionary?

[Skarne]

No it wouldn't. Mandatory spending is not reviewed the same way discretionary spending is. Holy shit you're gullible. Dems will bleed this bill to line their own pockets.

It allows a 400B future slush fund that would have nothing to do with veteran's HC spending. It's a classic budget gimmick. Brand a bill for veterans with language that allows for massive new government spending on all kinds of goodies lobbyists want.

Both sides have been doing it for years.

The original version voted on in the Senate PASSED

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3373/text

Once it reached the House, they changed the language which created the accounting gimmick

Here is Toomey's amendment. Schumer didn't allow a vote on it. Wow I'm shocked:

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-168/issue-123/senate-section/article/S3643-2

If they clean up the bill, remove the pork spending gimmicks, it will pass

Bro you’re a sheep. They took their little sentence out of the bill like they asked and it had bipartisan support completely. So your reasoning is because the money is taken out of the discretionary budget (which in theory could be misused) and put into mandatory, it’s just for the dems to line their pockets?
That doesn’t even make sense because for a mandatory budget to be fucked with it has to get a congressional vote and approval. The funds are only to be used for the healthcare for our veterans. GOP playing politics with real patriot lives.

[Skarne]

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You call that low?

Baaaaah compare it to our ally’s in Europe dummy. And I don’t mean russia.

[Elizondo]

Bro you’re a sheep. They took their little sentence out of the bill like they asked and it had bipartisan support completely. So your reasoning is because the money is taken out of the discretionary budget (which in theory could be misused) and put into mandatory, it’s just for the dems to line their pockets?
That doesn’t even make sense because for a mandatory budget to be fucked with it has to get a congressional vote and approval. The funds are only to be used for the healthcare for our veterans. GOP playing politics with real patriot lives.

'Bro' it's labeled 'mandatory spending' so where the money is actually spent isn't reviewed as closely as discretionary. It's basically autopilot spending cooked into the annual federal budget. Not only that, but there would be no cap, so it would grow over time and all kinds of 'deals' would be made with lobbyists to raid the funds and it would be exposed to all kinds of fraud and abuse.

Why do we need essentially a new Social Security Program or Unemployment Payouts for something so focused as military affected by burn pits? Are you going to sit there with a straight face and tell me SS and Unemployment aren't ripe with fraud?

There was no need for this change. It's a bait and switch.

Clean up the bill. Then pass it.

Sorry the picture and the highlights only say discretionary?

Is the money spent in the bill labeled as discretionary?

[Reiwa]

Is the money spent in the bill labeled as discretionary?

It is if the image you posted and highlighted is right?

https://i.imgur.com/HGGamq8_d.webp?maxwidth=520&shape=thumb&fidelity=high

[Skarne]

'Bro' it's labeled 'mandatory spending' so where the money is actually spent isn't reviewed as closely as discretionary. It's basically autopilot spending cooked into the annual federal budget. Not only that, but there would be no cap, so it would grow over time and all kinds of 'deals' would be made with lobbyists to raid the funds and it would be exposed to all kinds of fraud and abuse.

Why do we need essentially a new Social Security Program or Unemployment Payouts for something so focused as military affected by burn pits? Are you going to sit there with a straight face and tell me SS and Unemployment aren't ripe with fraud?

There was no need for this change. It's a bait and switch.

Clean up the bill. Then pass it.



Is the money spent in the bill labeled as discretionary?

The money doesn’t need to be reviewed it’s already allocated and transparent as mandatory fund. The real deal is McConnell and his cronies are pissed off he got duped so they killed a bill for veterans to prevent a victory. I’ll await your 30 minute researched response because you can’t think for yourself.

[Elizondo]

The money doesn’t need to be reviewed it’s already allocated and transparent as mandatory fund.

Like Unemployment Benefits?

[Skarne]

Like Unemployment Benefits?

What does that have to do with helping veterans man. Read the bill.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3967/text

section 805 c of the bill: what the Toxic Exposure Fund can be used for. There’s no $400 billion of unrelated or unregulated spending anywhere in there. No matter what Toomy says to you cultists.

And your logic is idiotic. Because some people scam unemployment you think veterans who get cancer with a recorded history of being in country and exposed to burn pits that they’ll somehow what…lie and scam the system? Haha dude you are a traitor.

[Reiwa]

Like Unemployment Benefits?

Mandatory spending died as a public talking point with Romney's failed run. It's not helpful to mention for now.

[Elizondo]

It is if the image you posted and highlighted is right?

https://i.imgur.com/HGGamq8_d.webp?maxwidth=520&shape=thumb&fidelity=high

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What does that have to do with helping veterans man. Read the bill.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3967/text

section 805 c of the bill: what the Toxic Exposure Fund can be used for. There’s no $400 billion of unrelated or unregulated spending anywhere in there. No matter what Toomy says to you cultists.

And your logic is idiotic. Because some people scam unemployment you think veterans who get cancer with a recorded history of being in country and exposed to burn pits that they’ll somehow what…lie and scam the system? Haha dude you are a traitor.

Nobody is against helping veterans. That's stupid. We're at 9% inflation right now however and creating a brand new Social Security System with literally no cap and no yearly review to account where the money is actually going to is ridiculous.

Mandatory Spending was 25% of the Federal Budget 50 years ago. Today it's 65%. Why? Because of accounting gimmicks like this to sneak in new spending not subject to the same oversight as discretionary. Both parties do it and it needs to stop.

There was no need for this change. Clean it up. Pass it.

Mandatory spending died as a public talking point with Romney's failed run. It's not helpful to mention for now.

We weren't at 9% inflation when Romney was running for President

Hope that helps

[Jibartik]

We dont need to give vets money because we're all about to join the army again and after there will be no vets, or money.

[Skarne]

How American of the both of you.

[Jibartik]

Am I an american when Im pro war, but when im anti war im a putin simp?

[Reiwa]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18338&d=1659399284

I reckon it still says discretionary. Are you saying direct spending means mandatory spending?

If so, TIL. :)


We weren't at 9% inflation when Romney was running for President

Hope that helps

Okay but would that change if it was discretionary spending?

Your favs are just doing it as an axiomatic economic theory flex. :p

[Jibartik]

Democrats: We have never spent this much money

Our supply chain: We are going on strike because we are working under crushing conditions

3alfi_R00iI

Your leaders are LYING TO YOU

[Elizondo]

I reckon it still says discretionary. Are you saying direct spending means mandatory spending?

If so, TIL. :)



Okay but would that change if it was discretionary spending?

Your favs are just doing it as an axiomatic economic theory flex. :p

Then why block Toomey's amendment before the vote? Schumer promised amendments and then blocked them.

It's the difference between a blank check (and creating an entirely new Government Spending Program like SS) and spending that has yearly oversight. If anything Dems are holding vet benefits hostage for their massive pork. There are literally no caps for things like college funding and positions at the VA because of a few word changes. This is supposed to be legislation that helps vets affected by "Burn Pits. It's specific. It should remain that way.

Dems could create the "The Clubbing Baby Seals Act" and cram all kinds of shit in it like student loan forgiveness and then people are like "Hold up, let's pump the breaks. Where is this money going?". Toads then rush out and claim Pubs want to club baby seals. It's all political.

I'm all for this bill. I just want to make sure the money is actually spent on Veterans and not lobbyists and scammers.

[Kaveh]

Am I an american when Im pro war, but when im anti war im a putin simp?

We’re not at war and we didn’t invade

So yes you’re a simp like chamberlain many decades ago

Hope this helps!

[Kaveh]

Senate republicans promising to pass the bill as is this week

Can’t wait to hear the back tracking from incelizondo

[Skarne]

Then why block Toomey's amendment before the vote? Schumer promised amendments and then blocked them.

It's the difference between a blank check (and creating an entirely new Government Spending Program like SS) and spending that has yearly oversight. If anything Dems are holding vet benefits hostage for their massive pork. There are literally no caps for things like college funding and positions at the VA because of a few word changes. This is supposed to be legislation that helps vets affected by "Burn Pits. It's specific. It should remain that way.

Dems could create the "The Clubbing Baby Seals Act" and cram all kinds of shit in it like student loan forgiveness and then people are like "Hold up, let's pump the breaks. Where is this money going?". Toads then rush out and claim Pubs want to club baby seals. It's all political.

I'm all for this bill. I just want to make sure the money is actually spent on Veterans and not lobbyists and scammers.

Rofl you’re so full of shit.

[Kaveh]

It passes with no amendment this week because Jon Stewart embarrassed Ted cruz on TV

I can’t believe these losers have public support. Spineless

[Jibartik]

We’re not at war and we didn’t invade

So yes you’re a simp like chamberlain many decades ago

Hope this helps!

lmao over here acting like globalist military operations and billions in military spending to support it is somehow better than a war caused by an actual war?

be prepared to say, "did I not cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?!?!"

[Elizondo]

Senate republicans promising to pass the bill as is this week

Can’t wait to hear the back tracking from incelizondo

All Dems are doing is using vets to hide a 400B Slush fund

Hope that helps

[Jibartik]

All Dems are doing is using vets to hide a 400B Slush fund

Hope that helps

and all their doing by supporting conflict in ukraine is using ukrains and russians to make 400B in military contracts

[Elizondo]

and all their doing by supporting conflict in ukraine is using ukrains and russians to make 400B in military contracts

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[Kaveh]

Zelensky got Ukraine invaded and defiantly stayed to defend kiev because he just knew we’d pay him

Masterful stuff. Putin dindu nuffin and is the great white hope for Europe and the world

[Kaveh]

You guys would’ve supported hitler LOL

Anything to hate your own country and its people. Pathetic

[Reiwa]

All Dems are doing is using vets to hide a 400B Slush fund

Hope that helps

It's only a slush fund if it goes through the appropriations committee, which mandatory spending doesn't.

🤪

[Kaveh]

It's only a slush fund if it goes through the appropriations committee, which mandatory spending doesn't.

🤪

We’re running surpluses under Biden and didn’t under trump, so it’s not about the budget

It’ll pass without toomey’s amendment and they’ll make excuses again for how reality isn’t real

[magnetaress]

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Butt which one is the real doll?

[Jibartik]

You guys would’ve supported hitler

"it doesnt matter how many people over there have to die we're going to spend 400 billion on military contracts god dammit!" https://i.imgur.com/t0ijlx1.png

hmm Im pretty sure you're already supporting him.

[Elizondo]

It's only a slush fund if it goes through the appropriations committee, which mandatory spending doesn't.

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There's literally no cap on any kind of excess spending on who knows what in future budgets. They specifically worded it this way to create that loophole. It's shameful. You know what I am saying is true. You're not an idiot.

[Reiwa]

There's literally no cap on any kind of excess spending on who knows what in future budgets. They specifically worded it this way to create that loophole. It's shameful. You know what I am saying is true. You're not an idiot.

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[Reiwa]

Is this the 9/11 families bill; I didn't read? Either way the spending is already there but has to be reauthorized twice every term under the discretionary budget.

Putting it under mandatory just gets it off the docket. They were passing it everytime already. Republicans just want something to argue about.

[Elizondo]

SfsOxwJV7Dw

Yea I know

But you still haven't explained the need to budgetary gimmicks in a bill for vets yet

[Reiwa]

I think I'll play the 'strong dollar means inflation isn't real' card next.

It's very Orwellian. 🤪

[Jibartik]

Why doesn't john Stewart stop being a pussy and just run for president like what the fuck does he got to do with his free time.

[robayon]

Why doesn't john Stewart stop being a pussy and just run for president like what the fuck does he got to do with his free time.I dunno, I think to myself if I was that loaded I'd do this or I'd do that

But then I think of the Myspace fella just totally saying "Nah I'm just gonna take this check and chill out"

[Jibartik]

Elon should run and they should just run a campaign of like, "fuck you and vote for me nothing matters shutup" I literally think you could win if you were elon and were like trump times 10 with offensiveness and just ran like a full blown meme.

It's not like humanity is going to let him get to mars before we force him to make weapons in WW3 he may as well run now. Nor does his track record seem to imply he will ever be able to deliver any of his big dreams. He may as well meme this country to death.

[Reiwa]

Yea I know

But you still haven't explained the need to budgetary gimmicks in a bill for vets yet

I did in the post before that. We're already paying them, Congress is just tired of having to pass and authorize the funding every year cuz they're geriatric and late for naptime.

[robayon]

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[Jibartik]

I actually want video game characters to look like that wtf

[Botten]

Yea I know

But you still haven't explained the need to budgetary gimmicks in a bill for vets yet

Your terrible Republican Party that you have been brainwashed to love unconditionally has no excuses.

Discretionary spending language provisions are the same as June, when the measure easily passed the Senate.

Making pathetic last minute lies because they were just angry they may have failed possibly stopping the climate/microchip bill.

Wahhhh Democrats might make Republican look even worse when they pass some good for the American ppl (and right before midterms).

You are such a sheep Elizondo.

[Elizondo]

I did in the post before that. We're already paying them, Congress is just tired of having to pass and authorize the funding every year cuz they're geriatric and late for naptime.

By not having to authorize it every year it can be spent for other purposes

So again, why the need to put this gimmick in a bill for vets

Your terrible Republican Party that you have been brainwashed to love unconditionally has no excuses.

Discretionary spending language provisions are the same as June, when the measure easily passed the Senate.

Making pathetic last minute lies because they were just angry they may have failed possibly stopping the climate/microchip bill.

Wahhhh Democrats might make Republican look even worse when they pass some good for the American ppl (and right before midterms).

You are such a sheep Elizondo.

We're talking about mandatory spending

Try and keep up

[Reiwa]

By not having to authorize it every year it can be spent for other purposes

Nuh uh. The investment accounts can be pilfered maybe, sure.

But the funding continues anyway.

🤪

[Elizondo]

Nuh uh. The investment accounts can be pilfered maybe, sure.

But the funding continues anyway.

🤪

Yea huh

Literally no oversight. You've even admitted this.

[Reiwa]

Yea huh

Literally no oversight. You've even admitted this.

Ok well who should have oversight and what powers should we give them?

This is all very new to me, not having studied the guidestones. :(

[Horza]

It's eight hours later and this paste eater is still defending McConnell punishing veterans just because Democrats outmaneuvered him?

[Elizondo]

Ok well who should have oversight and what powers should we give them?

This is all very new to me, not having studied the guidestones. :(

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2022-06/hr3967_senate_version.pdf

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[Domo]

https://i.imgur.com/THvDFxX.jpg

thats as funny as the russian propaganda who says its legal to fuck turtles in europen zoo's.

[magnetaress]

https://i.imgur.com/QYACCHD.jpeg

[magnetaress]

Liberals celebrating war and assassination.

Dark Brandon is trending(meme dump) https://imgur.com/gallery/CwykRax

End times indeed.

Lol. They where self censored tho.

R.i.p. it was great stuff.

[Reiwa]

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2022-06/hr3967_senate_version.pdf

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18340&d=1659420790

Like I said, Republicans hate mandatory spending because they cannot hold it hostage for political leverage.

[Elizondo]

Like I said, Republicans hate mandatory spending because they cannot hold it hostage for political leverage.

You didn't even read it

Embarrassing

[magnetaress]

There is a really high incidence of whatever disease I have in the military i don't think it's 100% toxic exposure correlation isn't causation.

I bet we got sick from something else and the toxic exposure we had just makes some ppl fall really ill from it down the line, it's not ***the cause per say

Eating clean Kosher G-Dly food has helped a lot btw folks. Watch what you put in your mouth and WHO makes it and how the animals where treated. You should get to control that.

Halal is fine 2

[Reiwa]

You didn't even read it

Embarrassing

What do you mean? The noise is just noise, I'm telling you why they're making the noise.

[Reiwa]

There is a really high incidence of whatever disease I have in the military i don't think it's 100% toxic exposure correlation isn't causation.

I bet we got sick from something else and the toxic exposure we had just makes some ppl fall really ill from it down the line, it's not ***the cause per say

Eating clean Kosher G-Dly food has helped a lot btw folks. Watch what you put in your mouth and WHO makes it and how the animals where treated. You should get to control that.

Halal is fine 2

Benefit uptake rates in the military have increased substantially in the last two decades.

[Elizondo]

What do you mean? The noise is just noise, I'm telling you why they're making the noise.

The only thing that's noise is your dishonest speculation of motives and goal post shifting

I expected better from you

Btw Toomey isn't even running for re-election

Hope that helps

[magnetaress]

Also yes Pelosi is an idiot (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pelosi-touches-down-in-taiwan-despite-china-s-warnings/ar-AA10ecPQ?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=ab355d6056354a88967676da208706c2).

[Reiwa]

The only thing that's noise is your dishonest speculation of motives and goal post shifting

I expected better from you

Btw Toomey isn't even running for re-election

Hope that helps

You're not answering me when I ask what you mean so I dunno.

Don't we already pay for veteran burn pit medical treatments?

Also orchiectomies and the like. :p

[magnetaress]

You're not answering me when I ask what you mean so I dunno.

Don't we already pay for veteran burn pit medical treatments?

Also orchiectomies and the like. :p

I actually paid for that out of pocket $5 G bruh

[Reiwa]

I actually paid for that out of pocket $5 G bruh

Coulda saved a buck there, the VA covers it, but you do you girl.

[Elizondo]

You're not answering me when I ask what you mean so I dunno.

Don't we already pay for veteran burn pit medical treatments?

Also orchiectomies and the like. :p

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[Shourty]

Not sure about this one but I want to post it cuz ..... meh

[Domo]

Also yes Pelosi is an idiot (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pelosi-touches-down-in-taiwan-despite-china-s-warnings/ar-AA10ecPQ?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=ab355d6056354a88967676da208706c2).

she isnt the first american politican visiting taiwan. Its not america whos testing how far they can go its china.

[Jibartik]

LOL

By the time we’re through with this there won’t be a Europe anymore.

[magnetaress]

she isnt the first american politican visiting taiwan. Its not america whos testing how far they can go its china.

On a military aircraft with a delegation and all this rhetoric tho???????

She should be a real man and go as a civilian on vacation without the Secret Service and all that bullshit and respect China because TBQVH they would stomp our asses right now in a regional defensive war outside of a totally thermonuclear war. And in that case I bet civilization will rise in the east before it does in the west again. If there is any hominid left alive.

Australia and Britain and France wont help us. This is how you turn the America's into a wasteland anarchy smoking crater with zero economy for the U.N. to police. I still get the feeling this is all still very staged by the N.W.O.

Mexico is looking more and more like a 1st world country if you can hold a job and carry citizenship papers.

Also the US is the bully here. It's been the bully for some odd 80 years now and It's not a good look. With current events we don't have a leg left of self righteousness and superiority to stand on either.

[Jibartik]

Look if we have to have a proxy war in Europe and Asia just to keep America secure I’m OK with that I’m glad Europe is too.

[magnetaress]

The only message we sent is that we are disrespectful idiots, fools, dangerous, and we are divided. Good Job Idiot Pelosi. We already are fighting a proxy war here in the States. You just don't see it on the news. Because it is less important than mOnkEy PoX and tAyllorlor SwiFt and liar thOmas.

You don't want to appear dangerous when there is a literal power imbalance. I know the U.S. media has you convinced we are on our A game militarily we are a fucking joke tho. About as good as Russia. Our momentum would burn fast after the first 3 carriers where sunk. They are also useless technologically now with drones and super smart missiles and stealth and shit. There's no reason to even use them. Except against. Maybe a Somali pirate or two. *MAYBE*

I think I could theoretically sink one by myself in a theoretical and hypothetical wargames scenario. As retarded and disabled as I am. (AND no i don't want to it's a waste of time energy and effort at this juncture, it's just silly people think we are gonna win anything). Fronting in that kinda situation is the most idiotic thing you can do.

[Jibartik]

You don't want to appear dangerous when there is a literal power imbalance. I know the U.S. media has you convinced we are on our A game militarily

haha this is pretty sad to see all these people with like interset in furries talk about military might.

We're not anti war because war is bad, we're anti war because we think we won all the wars and are boss now lol

If I could have one wish it would be that we instituted the draft.

[magnetaress]

haha this is pretty sad to see all these people with like interset in furries talk about military might.

If I could have one wish it would be that we instituted the draft.

The youth of this country need to be reminded about the bloodwashing the tree. Without that experience they can't have gratitude for anything they have now.

[Jibartik]

A million dead Iraqis and we're sure that are WMDs in Iran.

If there were WMDs in Iran it's because we made a million dead Iraqis.

How many times do we need the military to protect us from coups and regimes and wars they started?

The best thing about the CIA all the shit they did 50 years ago always comes home to roost in their favor.

[magnetaress]

You don't send in your old VENERATED ELDERLY grandma laidies to intimidate the enemy either. That is some passive aggressive bullshit that totally shows weakness and cowardice a real dumb move with an Asian.

[magnetaress]

A million dead Iraqis and we're sure that are WMDs in Iran.

If there were WMDs in Iran it's because we made a million dead Iraqis.

lets not forget we supported the coup that made Iran what it is.

That's the best thing about the CIA all the shit they did 50 years ago always comes home to roost in their favor.

We stole alien tech from baghdad and solomons temple.

FROM POORS and instituted a tyranny

and Hussien was in on it

replace the word Democracy with RULE BY COCA-COLA and the IMF

[Jibartik]

God cant come soon enough, where the fuck is this guy!?

[magnetaress]

Waiting on the Antichrist to make his move. The antichrist needs to be fully revealed first. It's not Darkbrandon or Idiot Lady.

[Reiwa]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18343&d=1659455483

I still don't understand mate.

Do you? (https://www.cbo.gov/content/what-difference-between-mandatory-and-discretionary-spending)

Mandatory spending is generally governed by statutory criteria; it is not normally set by annual appropriation acts.

[Reiwa]

Also the US is the bully here. It's been the bully for some odd 80 years now and It's not a good look. With current events we don't have a leg left of self righteousness and superiority to stand on either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion

[Jibartik]

Imagine living in a world where there was an American political party that was saying things like this unprecedented military buildup around the globe is threatening all of our lives and we must all unite as a species to stop this outrageous saber rattling that is killing millions of people around the world and going to cost mass starvation and energy crisis and affect everyone on earth and could destroy the planet with climate change we must unite and stop the fight.

But instead we have two military parties that are like we need to do preemptive strikes because we have intelligence that say that there’s threats against our nations security.

Anyone who says that we should stop fighting is attacked by both sides for being a pro terrorist Hitler lover.

This rhetoric is like straight up cultish.

[magnetaress]

:o:o:o
Imagine living in a world where there was an American political party that was saying things like this unprecedented military buildup around the globe is threatening all of our lives and we must all unite as a species to stop this outrageous saber rattling that is killing millions of people around the world and going to cost mass starvation and energy crisis and affect everyone on earth and could destroy the planet with climate change we must unite and stop the fight.

But instead we have two military parties that are like we need to do preemptive strikes because we have intelligence that say that there’s threats against our nations security.

Anyone who says that we should stop fighting is attacked by both sides for being a pro terrorist Hitler lover.

This rhetoric is like straight up cultish.
:o:o:o

[Reiwa]

Imagine living in a world where there was an American political party that was saying things like this unprecedented military buildup around the globe is threatening all of our lives and we must all unite as a species to stop this outrageous saber rattling that is killing millions of people around the world and going to cost mass starvation and energy crisis and affect everyone on earth and could destroy the planet with climate change we must unite and stop the fight.

But instead we have two military parties that are like we need to do preemptive strikes because we have intelligence that say that there’s threats against our nations security.

Anyone who says that we should stop fighting is attacked by both sides for being a pro terrorist Hitler lover.

This rhetoric is like straight up cultish.

Intervention saved China from Soviet nuclear attack (https://www.scmp.com/article/714064/nixon-intervention-saved-china-soviet-nuclear-attack)

[Jibartik]

If the old men who drew lines on maps said we had to mutually destroy the planet because we refuse to let lines on the map get redrawn.

Is that really productive?

[Jibartik]

Intervention saved China from Soviet nuclear attack (https://www.scmp.com/article/714064/nixon-intervention-saved-china-soviet-nuclear-attack)

Is that when the antichrist (nixon) started globalism that would result in the planet collapsing under the weight of mass consumerism?

*checks notes

Yep!

[Elizondo]

I still don't understand mate.

Do you? (https://www.cbo.gov/content/what-difference-between-mandatory-and-discretionary-spending)

Bro did you READ the link you sourced?

The authority for discretionary spending stems from annual appropriation acts, which are under the control of the House and Senate Appropriations Committees. Most defense, education, and transportation programs, for example, are funded that way, as are a variety of other federal programs and activities. Those appropriations are subject to a set of budget enforcement rules and processes that differ from those that apply to mandatory spending. As the Congress considers appropriation acts, CBO tallies the budget authority those acts would provide and estimates the outlays that would result.

Outlays for the nation’s three largest entitlement programs (Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid) and for many smaller programs (unemployment compensation, retirement programs for federal employees, student loans, and deposit insurance, for example) are mandatory spending.

Which is exactly what I've been saying for pages now. Why inject a budget gimmick into this bill that is supposed to be specifically focused on "Burn Pits" and basically create an entirely new welfare/entitlement program with no oversight, no cap with massive spending cooked into the Federal Budget literally on autopilot without any yearly review or budget enforcement.

The CBO even says (and I've pasted it right from their report multiple times) that NORMALLY costs within this bill would be classified as discretionary, but they changed the language on purpose as a gimmick. It's literally a couple sentences in the bill that could have been fixed in a matter of minutes, but Schumer demanded a vote without any amendments because Dems are playing mid term games with Vets HC which is shameless and cynical politicking in an election year

Even the guy that wrote the book on burn pits and our military is calling them out on these shenanigans

You're just rabbit holing with your usual ambiguity and emojis

Embarrassing

[Reiwa]

Bro did you READ the link you sourced?





Which is exactly what I've been saying for pages now. Why inject a budget gimmick into this bill that is supposed to be specifically focused on "Burn Pits" and basically create an entirely new welfare/entitlement program with no oversight, no cap with massive spending cooked into the Federal Budget literally on autopilot without any yearly review or budget enforcement.

The CBO even says (and I've pasted it right from their report multiple times) that NORMALLY costs within this bill would be classified as discretionary, but they changed the language on purpose as a gimmick. It's literally a couple sentences in the bill that could have been fixed in a matter of minutes, but Schumer demanded a vote without any amendments because Dems are playing mid term games with Vets HC which is shameless and cynical politicking in an election year

Even the guy that wrote the book on burn pits and our military is calling them out on these shenanigans

You're just rabbit holing with your usual ambiguity and emojis

Embarrassing

Hope it helped.