the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Elizondo]

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[Basanos]

I go to church and am a voting Texan and I’m with you on this one. I’m not sure when the libertarian part of the Republican Party died but it’s really unfortunateIf and when you return to Texas and this has passed, please stand up in your church and say loudly that your church should shelter people who find themselves targeted in a scenario like this.

I mean, they should do that with "illegal" immigrants as well but that's a different discussion

[Patriam1066]

Nah, I don’t seek division. The rednecks, mexicans and I will be arm and arm when we face the Chinese

Once the heathen has been annihilated, we can discuss who has correctly interpreted the New Testament.

[Elizondo]

Bug Eating Groomers salty that Texans don't want their kids having sweaty sacks dangled in their kid's faces by biological men with fake bitties in bars

Comedy ensues

[Patriam1066]

Also, my wife is getting tired of this shit. She thinks we’re going to get murdered by conservatives for being Iranian so it’s increasingly likely we end up in Colorado with my son and daughter. Which sucks because I feel that Colorado is highly overrated (I don’t like arid places)

[aussenseiter]

As usual, I cannot tell what moral lesson I am supposed to take away from this misty post and I can't tell if you're rolling your eyes at me or agreeing with me

There is no lesson. Just history rhyming.

[Elizondo]

Imagine thinking a 5 year old boy shouldn't be able to buy alcohol but should be able to make the decision to cut off his johnson

[aussenseiter]

I go to church and am a voting Texan and I’m with you on this one. I’m not sure when the libertarian part of the Republican Party died but it’s really unfortunate

There's no jail it's just money.

[Basanos]

She thinks we’re going to get murdered by conservatives for being Iranian so it’s increasingly likely we end up in Colorado with my son and daughter.She's right. It's inevitable. You won't be first in line, but you won't be last.

You're telling me that you will do nothing to defend the innocent because the Chinese might invade someday?

That's like refusing to put out your house fire because there might be a flood

[Patriam1066]

I prioritize threats. This is a nadir for American democracy (I think) but rednecks are still redeemable. The Chinese are not

The long arc of history blah justice blah blah blah I forget but you know what I mean

Also, lecturing people in church wouldn’t accomplish anything. I already tell rednecks they’ve lost the plot and that Abbott is a boy loving Catholic any time they ask my opinion

[Basanos]

I prioritize threats. This is a nadir for American democracy (I think) but rednecks are still redeemable. The Chinese are not

The long arc of history blah justice blah blah blah I forget but you know what I mean

Also, lecturing people in church wouldn’t accomplish anything. I already tell rednecks they’ve lost the plot and that Abbott is a boy loving Catholic any time they ask my opinionIt might if it came to a vote. I don't know how all congregations work, but at my former church we'd have big referendums on policies like that.

Then again, I seek out progressive churches and that might not even be on the table at some churches.

[goblinmob]

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[Ekco]

The rednecks, mexicans and I will be arm and arm when we face the Chinese


a noble cause to bring all Texans together. and Pantera will be the soundtrack to their ass whooping. and.. the macarena or whatever the fuck José wants to listen to.

Evc3Xtc84N0

[Horza]

a noble cause to bring all Texans together. and Pantera will be the soundtrack to their ass whooping. and.. the macarena or whatever the fuck José wants to listen to.

Evc3Xtc84N0

Anyone else totally unsurprised when that video got leaked recently of Phil shouting white power and doing a Nazi salute?

[unsunghero]

You know your city is a shithole when you can’t even keep a Walmart open there

I would say just give up, fire all retail employees, lose all those jobs for the community, close all the stores, and let Amazon win…

…but then porch piracy will probably go through the roof too

Sorry I mean wealth transfer

[Ekco]

that video is ancient its just news again cause nu-pantera got kicked out of that germany festival thing.

[Ekco]

device-sealed-with-radioactive-material-inside-goes-missing-in-texas (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/device-sealed-with-radioactive-material-inside-goes-missing-in-texas/ar-AA18x70e?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=456edd8ecf6d40a8baeb7c7c2e871dc5&ei=33)
Anton shared that the device went missing at a restaurant when workers parked the truck it was in and went to buy themselves lunch.
fucking crackheads stole something radioactive out of a truck in houston rofl.

[Basanos]

You know your city is a shithole when you can’t even keep a Walmart open there

I would say just give up, fire all retail employees, lose all those jobs for the community, close all the stores, and let Amazon win…

…but then porch piracy will probably go through the roof too

Sorry I mean wealth transferA fine example of how the capitalist media encourages the class war

[unsunghero]

A fine example of how the capitalist media encourages the class war

It’s not the capitalist media that made people mass loot retail stores in Portland. It was soft on crime DA’s not prosecuting theft

Unless you are referring to something else. I doubt most Portland citizens watch Fox News

Edit: the ones that worked at Walmart will now have more time to watch CNN being that they are now unemployed tho

[Ekco]

that's the purity spiral, Portland residents *are* racist and all the other ist words because the utopia didn't happen and if you point out any obvious problems with what happened there you're racist also

lol.

i for one was welcoming to our CHAZ warlords, sucks it didn't work out for them

[unsunghero]

that's the purity spiral, Portland residents *are* racist and all the other ist words because the utopia didn't happen and if you point out any obvious problems with what happened there you're racist also

lol.

i for one was welcoming to our CHAZ warlords, sucks it didn't work out for them

Warlords of the new blight town

It’s the same story, once the blight creeps in the honest good people will leave…if they can

[Horza]

that video is ancient its just news again cause nu-pantera got kicked out of that germany festival thing.

6 years ago is ancient now? I must be older than I thought but I guess them being a bunch of sieg hielers is going to keep coming up anytime they're in the news now.

[Ekco]

6 years ago is ancient now? I must be older than I thought but I guess them being a bunch of sieg hielers is going to keep coming up anytime they're in the news now.

it wasn't news to anyone 6 years ago lol.

edit: might of been a personal experience and wasn't discussed online in like 2004 when dime died but pantera was 100% called skinhead music when i was in jr high

[aussenseiter]

It’s not the capitalist media that made people mass loot retail stores in Portland. It was soft on crime DA’s not prosecuting theft

Unless you are referring to something else. I doubt most Portland citizens watch Fox News

Edit: the ones that worked at Walmart will now have more time to watch CNN being that they are now unemployed tho

I think he's saying the TV is teaching people that shoplifting is easy to get away with or has extremely minor penalties.

[Ekco]

BREAKING: Signature Bank, $SBNY, has been closed by State authorities.
Signature Bank taken over by New York Department of Financial Services

[Horza]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21173&stc=1&d=1678662979

Pretty sure the point of raising interest rates is to wheedle out zombie banks like these but keep the Jib-esque doomer memes coming.

[Ekco]

Pretty sure the point of raising interest rates is to wheedle out zombie banks like these but keep the Jib-esque doomer memes coming.

pretty sure they are all zombie banks my guy.... that's kinda how this retarded shit works apparently

[misterbonkers]

It’s not the capitalist media that made people mass loot retail stores in Portland. It was soft on crime DA’s not prosecuting theft

Unless you are referring to something else. I doubt most Portland citizens watch Fox News

Edit: the ones that worked at Walmart will now have more time to watch CNN being that they are now unemployed tho

but it is the capitalist media (NYP) that is presenting it to you, to be upset and want more suffering upon the poor, because they're so evil for stealing, nevermind everything walmart did and still does (pay so small employees are actively encouraged to seek gov't benefits [welfare, SNAP, everything conservatives hate] because small widdle walmart can't afford pay a decent wage, that'd hurt profits!) and side with a business that has more money than you can reasonably fathom.

actually insidiously evil to the core

[Basanos]

I think he's saying the TV is teaching people that shoplifting is easy to get away with or has extremely minor penalties.It is easy to get away with and I approve of shoplifting, but no, the point I was making is that unsunghero adopting classist points of view is the point of that story.

That and the usual profit off of outrage.

[unsunghero]

but it is the capitalist media (NYP) that is presenting it to you, to be upset and want more suffering upon the poor, because they're so evil for stealing, nevermind everything walmart did and still does (pay so small employees are actively encouraged to seek gov't benefits [welfare, SNAP, everything conservatives hate] because small widdle walmart can't afford pay a decent wage, that'd hurt profits!) and side with a business that has more money than you can reasonably fathom.

actually insidiously evil to the core

First of all retail theft doesn’t give 2 shits about how virtuous their targets are, and will shut down small family owned businesses much faster and easier than Walmart

Secondly, yea Walmart does a bunch of shady shit but it also provides jobs, like these other retailers that are forced to close

Less jobs = more blight. This is why this becomes a death spiral for these cities


But by all means be classist towards rich (because classism only goes one way like racism, being classist against the rich isn’t really a thing) successful companies and anti-police and anti law and order. I am 100% for this stance to be adopted by my political rivals because once safety is lost, people will turn to anything that promises them it, even if that is the party that they have been told by their propaganda are evil Nazis

[unsunghero]

It is easy to get away with and I approve of shoplifting

One of your dumber outtakes but really lean into and promote that to other Dems. It is only a benefit to us on the other side of the political isle

[aussenseiter]

First of all retail theft doesn’t give 2 shits about how virtuous their targets are, and will shut down small family owned businesses much faster and easier than Walmart

Secondly, yea Walmart does a bunch of shady shit but it also provides jobs, like these other retailers that are forced to close

Less jobs = more blight. This is why this becomes a death spiral for these cities


But by all means be classist towards rich (because classism only goes one way like racism, being classist against the rich isn’t really a thing) successful companies and anti-police and anti law and order. I am 100% for this stance to be adopted by my political rivals because once safety is lost, people will turn to anything that promises them it, even if that is the party that they have been told by their propaganda are evil Nazis

class warfare against the rich is the original class warfare.

https://i.imgur.com/1Y9Kz6H.jpg

[unsunghero]

class warfare against the rich is the original class warfare.

https://i.imgur.com/1Y9Kz6H.jpg

Of course, every rich person and every successful business must have cheated in some way amirite

Wealth is a zero sum game, there’s no way to create it unless by stealing it from black poor people

[unsunghero]

Anti-rich classism has been so heavily promoted by Dems now that really good people like Mr Beast now have communities hating him because of moronic mental gymnastics trying to find some negative such as he makes money off his charity videos….

….money that he also usually ends up giving away or putting into other philanthropic endeavors later. The dude has already promised to give away every cent he’s made before he dies

But he’s rich so fuck him, he got that way by stealing from black people, clearly

[Patriam1066]

One of your dumber outtakes but really lean into and promote that to other Dems. It is only a benefit to us on the other side of the political isle

Aisle*

What is shoplifting compared to the bailout this bank and its depositors are about to get? Shoplifting should obviously be illegal, but everyone being assisted by this bank situation should eat a 12 gauge slug

[Skarne]

Aisle*

What is shoplifting compared to the bailout this bank and its depositors are about to get? Shoplifting should obviously be illegal, but everyone being assisted by this bank situation should eat a 12 gauge slug

Ye ye

[unsunghero]

Aisle*

What is shoplifting compared to the bailout this bank and its depositors are about to get? Shoplifting should obviously be illegal, but everyone being assisted by this bank situation should eat a 12 gauge slug

For finance-illiterate people like me, things like shoplifting feels far more visceral. Seeing blatant criminal activity happening right in front of one’s face (talking real stuff, not like speeding or littering or w/e) destroys a sense of community safety and once it happens to someone on an individual level, the person usually feels completely violated. Now I know boo hoo big stores aren’t people but like I said they do provide jobs and once they all close down and move shop due to crime, your town starts to look like Detroit

I know stores tell their own employees they can’t stop a shoplifter due to liability, but if it happens at stores in my neighborhood, it’s going to piss me off to the point where I might do something stupid like put myself in their way in a way that makes them put hands on me, to where I can physically respond and hopefully someone will be recording it to where I can avoid an assault charge

But yea, I’m obv also against bank fraud too which is why I enjoyed seeing that crypto-bank guy SBF go down. And I’ve never supported bank bailouts either

[aussenseiter]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21173&stc=1&d=1678662979

The second bank failure is a sleight of hand so they can lie about the first. (https://abcnews.go.com/Business/silicon-valley-bank-collapse-treasury-fed-fdic-announce/story?id=97807268)

[misterbonkers]

First of all retail theft doesn’t give 2 shits about how virtuous their targets are, and will shut down small family owned businesses much faster and easier than Walmart

Secondly, yea Walmart does a bunch of shady shit but it also provides jobs, like these other retailers that are forced to close

Less jobs = more blight. This is why this becomes a death spiral for these cities


But by all means be classist towards rich (because classism only goes one way like racism, being classist against the rich isn’t really a thing) successful companies and anti-police and anti law and order. I am 100% for this stance to be adopted by my political rivals because once safety is lost, people will turn to anything that promises them it, even if that is the party that they have been told by their propaganda are evil Nazis

sure, but have you considered that maybe people wouldn't be broke if they had good jobs like at somewhere walmart destroyed? a job that doesn't depend on welfare benefits to supplement the shit pay they give so that the waltons can have a second nfl team or something? who gives a shit if it "provides jobs" if the jobs are absolutely awful?

and fuck the rich, you don't get rich without exploitation, period. the fuck do i care about being "classist" against people who actively try to exploit me?

[Ekco]

the commie has a point, someone better have a good rebuttal or i might be on team bernie sanders again.

https://imgix.bustle.com/lovelace/uploads/1055/260eba50-f836-0132-f419-0e18518aac2f.jpg?w=760&h=507&fit=crop&crop=faces&auto=format%2Ccompress&q=50&dpr=2

[Trexller]

I'm team bernie whether or not if I agree with his platform

This is a politician that you can trust, he's been in politics like 1000 years and his platform and agenda have never changed.

Bernie is what he says he is, and would do what he says he'll do if given the chance.

This is why the democrat party hates him, he can't be bought used or controlled.

It's ironic, because if they ran bernie in the general, voter turnout would blow away biden's 81 million.

[aussenseiter]

I'm team bernie whether or not if I agree with his platform

This is a politician that you can trust, he's been in politics like 1000 years and his platform and agenda have never changed.

Bernie is what he says he is, and would do what he says he'll do if given the chance.

This is why the democrat party hates him, he can't be bought used or controlled.

It's ironic, because if they ran bernie in the general, voter turnout would blow away biden's 81 million.

The Times shows that Sanders went well beyond mere opposition to funding the war. He wrote to Sandinista leaders that American news media had not “reflected fairly the goals and accomplishments of your administration.”

On a visit to the country, he attended a Sandinista celebration at which the crowd chanted, “Here, there, everywhere, the Yankee will die,” and complained that American reporters ignored “the truth” about Nicaragua’s government, telling a CBS reporter, “You are worms.” (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/bernie-sanders-pro-sandinista-past-problem.html)

[Jobaber]

I'm team bernie whether or not if I agree with his platform

This is a politician that you can trust, he's been in politics like 1000 years and his platform and agenda have never changed.

Bernie is what he says he is, and would do what he says he'll do if given the chance.

This is why the democrat party hates him, he can't be bought used or controlled.

It's ironic, because if they ran bernie in the general, voter turnout would blow away biden's 81 million.

haha god damn the parties have flipped!

[Ekco]

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.1a9c33fdcd0b692a97814ead989d5e69?rik=sbXdQk3THPw 4bw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fmedia2.fdncms.com%2fchicago%2fima ger%2fu%2foriginal%2f21247391%2f_01_img0682a.4631_ 38425020.jpg&ehk=ujklnt0tPkO5g9jKExHNye2j0bG16qe4nyHVrGRCJTU%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

how to actually fight racism starring old Jewish senator since it's been a hot topic tonight.

[Trexller]

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oh i know all about comrade sanders' commie connections

who the fuck takes their honeymoon in moscow?

but trust is bigger than ideology.

[Horza]

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy said on Sunday he would “slowly roll out” January 6 tapes to networks other than Fox News.

“We will slowly roll out to every individual news agency,” McCarthy told Sunday Morning Futures, a show broadcast by Fox News. “They can come see the tapes as well. Let everyone see them to bring their own judgment.” (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/12/kevin-mccarthy-jan-6-footage-tucker-carlson-fox-news)

Fox News is the Republican party, it's undeniable now to anyone who hasn't already eaten the paste.

[Elizondo]

Bug Eating Horza still whining that his JAN6! Hoax narrative got obliterated

[unsunghero]

sure, but have you considered that maybe people wouldn't be broke if they had good jobs like at somewhere walmart destroyed? a job that doesn't depend on welfare benefits to supplement the shit pay they give so that the waltons can have a second nfl team or something? who gives a shit if it "provides jobs" if the jobs are absolutely awful?

and fuck the rich, you don't get rich without exploitation, period. the fuck do i care about being "classist" against people who actively try to exploit me?

You are saying that any small family owned business could automatically afford to pay their workers a higher wage than Walmart? That’s a pretty big assumption, but even if so, like I said the shoplifters don’t care who they steal from, and the family owned business would crumble from retail theft far faster than Walmart

And no, these aren’t little Aladdin’s out there trying to steal bread for their families, I don’t buy that shit at all. Just like I don’t buy that all rich are evil cartoon villains. But you can believe it all you want; I’m not here to change hearts and minds

Looking at factors that cause crime is fine and dandy, but when crime gets out of control you need solutions, fast. And those solutions are law and order. If you ever get cancer, I’m sure you wouldn’t be thrilled to hear your doctor tell you “you have cancer but rather than spend money on chemo, we’re going to invest in researching ways to prevent not only you, but everyone else from getting cancer. So it’s a much better use of the money”. And you’ll be like “I’m dying here!”

…Well maybe you wouldn’t because your love and virtue knows no bounds and you would happily accept that use for the money, but most lesser beings wouldn’t

[aussenseiter]

Bug Eating Horza still whining that his JAN6! Hoax narrative got obliterated

How many TB would 40,000 hours of video be?

[Patriam1066]

sure, but have you considered that maybe people wouldn't be broke if they had good jobs like at somewhere walmart destroyed? a job that doesn't depend on welfare benefits to supplement the shit pay they give so that the waltons can have a second nfl team or something? who gives a shit if it "provides jobs" if the jobs are absolutely awful?

and fuck the rich, you don't get rich without exploitation, period. the fuck do i care about being "classist" against people who actively try to exploit me?

I am pretty “rich” and it’s because I’m married, have never been unemployed, bought a house as soon as I could and mostly drove a piece of shit ford Ranger and then various Toyotas and Hondas. Many people make different choices, but I’ve exploited precisely zero people

I think you should make a distinction between someone with an estate that will be passed down to many, many grandchildren vs a corporate profiteer actively lobbying and manipulating the government to maintain his/her financial primacy

Or don’t, but fuck the rich is different than fuck the bankers. Also, being poor doesn’t absolve you from committing crime. Even if circumstances are more difficult, it is a choice to shoplift vs becoming a paramedic or electrician or welder, etc

[Patriam1066]

the commie has a point, someone better have a good rebuttal or i might be on team bernie sanders again.

https://imgix.bustle.com/lovelace/uploads/1055/260eba50-f836-0132-f419-0e18518aac2f.jpg?w=760&h=507&fit=crop&crop=faces&auto=format%2Ccompress&q=50&dpr=2

Sanders or Elizabeth Warren need a 4 year term. The status quo regarding lobbying, banking, government and corporate positions being filled by the same people, etc has to stop

It’s not even greed anymore. It’s open corruption and graft

[Trexller]

How many TB would 40,000 hours of video be?

what format, bit rate, resolution, fps and compression ratio?

[Ekco]

but I’ve exploited precisely zero people


we all exploit and have blood on our hands, people literally die in fucked off countries for the electronics we're communicating with right now. some bullshit plastic toy i had as a kid has prolly killed thousands of fish over the last 30 years.

best not to actually think about that shit though, pretty sure one of the religions even says don't worry about it.

[Ekco]

Sanders or Elizabeth Warren need a 4 year term. The status quo regarding lobbying, banking, government and corporate positions being filled by the same people, etc has to stop

It’s not even greed anymore. It’s open corruption and graft

think even one of the founding fathers even said shit's going to get fucked when the parties just have to bride the voters or whatever the quote is. everyone for the last hundred years has voted for exactly this basically.

[Horza]

How many TB would 40,000 hours of video be?

Only the producers at Fox News know that (because it's officially an arm of the GOP now). I just think it's telling they immediately released the footage to their boy Tucker and now are doing a slow rollout weeks later for the rest of us non-Murdoch employed plebs.

[Trexller]

Tucker

Everybody Drink !!

[Jobaber]

Mother fucking Tucker Carlson for president.

[Horza]

On Sunday, McCarthy claimed he did not “give” the tapes to Carlson. “I didn’t give the tapes,” he said. “I allowed [him] to come see them, just like an exclusive with anybody else. My goal here is transparency.”

lmao

[Basanos]

I am pretty “rich” and it’s because I’m married, have never been unemployed, bought a house as soon as I could and mostly drove a piece of shit ford Ranger and then various Toyotas and Hondas. Many people make different choices, but I’ve exploited precisely zero people

I think you should make a distinction between someone with an estate that will be passed down to many, many grandchildren vs a corporate profiteer actively lobbying and manipulating the government to maintain his/her financial primacy

Or don’t, but fuck the rich is different than fuck the bankers. Also, being poor doesn’t absolve you from committing crime. Even if circumstances are more difficult, it is a choice to shoplift vs becoming a paramedic or electrician or welder, etcWhen I say "eat the rich", I am generally not referring to those who are mere millionaires. There are ethical ways to become a millionaire.

There are no ethical ways to become a billionaire.

Even if the Feds did or didn't bail out banks or other corps deemed 'too big to fail', I'd still approve of shoplifting. Because of the things like bonkers said, like Walmart keeping shitloads of people in poverty by underpaying their workers.

Wage theft is a huge amount of lost revenue to workers, and both the media and the companies themselves almost NEVER talk about it. So, I have zero pity for corporations complaining about retail theft. Even if it's all true, and I very much doubt it is.

Plus, whenever politicians talk about looking out for 'small businesses', it is almost always just cover for large corporations. Democrat or Republican.

[Basanos]

One of your dumber outtakes but really lean into and promote that to other Dems. It is only a benefit to us on the other side of the political isleYou have totally missed the point of everything I have ever said if you think I believe the solution is Democrats. They're still capitalists. They aren't going to solve this problem.

However, I harp on that so much I choose to believe that you understand this just fine, it's just your team sports approach to politics that causes you to flamingo about it.

[Basanos]

I'd have no problems with Batman as a character if the entire schtick was him just delivering violence to his fellow billionaires. But no, he goes around and beats up poor people for mostly petty crime while he does nothing to address the material conditions that cause that same crime with his vast resources.

This is an allegory for conservative politics if I have ever heard of it.

[aussenseiter]

Mother fucking Tucker Carlson for president.

Then Pence turned serious (https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2023/3/12/23636862/mike-pence-donald-trump-fox-news-tucker-carlson-jan-6-gridiron-club-dinner)

"January 6 was a tragic day. I was there at the Capitol. And let me assure you. It was not, as some would have us believe, a matter of tourists peacefully enjoying themselves,” Pence said to applause.

“Tourists don’t injure 140 police officers by sightseeing. Tourists don’t break down doors to get to the speaker of the House or voice threats against public officials.”

Pence said, the “American people have a right to know what took place at the Capitol on Jan. 6th. I expect members of the Fourth Estate to continue to do their job. And make no mistake about it: What happened that day was a disgrace, and it mocks decency to portray it in any other way.

“And to my fellow Americans who are gathered here: For as long as I live, I will never, ever diminish the injuries sustained, the lives lost or the heroism of law enforcement on that tragic day. So help me God.

“… President Trump was wrong. I had no right to overturn the election, and his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day. And I know that history will hold Donald Trump accountable for his actions.”

[aussenseiter]

There are no ethical ways to become a billionaire.

What if you're only a billionaire because of the value of the stock(s) you own?

TyzLtBCy3Zo

[unsunghero]

You have totally missed the point of everything I have ever said if you think I believe the solution is Democrats. They're still capitalists. They aren't going to solve this problem.

However, I harp on that so much I choose to believe that you understand this just fine, it's just your team sports approach to politics that causes you to flamingo about it.

Well for one shoplifting tends to happen more in poorer communities. So it affects poor people the most. It’s poor people who work in those stores, and btw a small family owned business is a much better shoplifting target from a practicality standpoint because they won’t be able to afford nearly the theft prevention measures of a big chain

And maybe every once in a while a shoplifter kills one or someone innocent gets really hurt intervening

So it hurts poor people sometimes physically drastically, causes them to lose their jobs, their ability to buy stuff locally, and probably negatively impacts their general feeling of security in life

But it hurts the evil cartoon villain CEO by making him have to take a disappointed glance at his new stock value then go back to getting blown on his yacht. Gotcha

[Basanos]

Stocks aren't free. And I'd argue that they're not all that valuable unless you sell them, I guess. I don't know the nerd terms but if your stock plummets to x value, assuming you don't sell it, it may not matter as much since you haven't realized that loss. I think that's what all the crypto nerds mean when they talk about hodl, but figuring that out would require engaging crypto nerds in conversation and I don't like to do that.

I have no idea if a billionaire can, like, prove they have $1b worth of stocks in a company and then get a loan out against those stocks for some liquid cash without selling them. I bet there's multiple ways to make those assets into actual spendable money.

[aussenseiter]

Stocks aren't free. And I'd argue that they're not all that valuable unless you sell them, I guess. I don't know the nerd terms but if your stock plummets to x value, assuming you don't sell it, it may not matter as much since you haven't realized that loss. I think that's what all the crypto nerds mean when they talk about hodl, but figuring that out would require engaging crypto nerds in conversation and I don't like to do that.

I have no idea if a billionaire can, like, prove they have $1b worth of stocks in a company and then get a loan out against those stocks for some liquid cash without selling them. I bet there's multiple ways to make those assets into actual spendable money.

Good instincts, that's exactly what Elon does for walking around money.

But he 'loses money' in the process, because it's a loan... Ow ow brain hurting words.

[misterbonkers]

I am pretty “rich” and it’s because I’m married, have never been unemployed, bought a house as soon as I could and mostly drove a piece of shit ford Ranger and then various Toyotas and Hondas. Many people make different choices, but I’ve exploited precisely zero people

I think you should make a distinction between someone with an estate that will be passed down to many, many grandchildren vs a corporate profiteer actively lobbying and manipulating the government to maintain his/her financial primacy

Or don’t, but fuck the rich is different than fuck the bankers. Also, being poor doesn’t absolve you from committing crime. Even if circumstances are more difficult, it is a choice to shoplift vs becoming a paramedic or electrician or welder, etc

it doesn't, but i'd rather someone be alive and a thief than dead, full stop. to me, rich is almost interchangeable with billionaire, or approaching that inhumane level of wealth, but saying billionaires leaves too much room for those making hundreds of millions. maybe ultrawealthy instead of rich? :o

[Basanos]

Well for one shoplifting tends to happen more in poorer communities. So it affects poor people the most. It’s poor people who work in those stores, and btw a small family owned business is a much better shoplifting target from a practicality standpoint because they won’t be able to afford nearly the theft prevention measures of a big chain

And maybe every once in a while a shoplifter kills one or someone innocent gets really hurt intervening

So it hurts poor people sometimes physically drastically, causes them to lose their jobs, their ability to buy stuff locally, and probably negatively impacts their general feeling of security in life

But it hurts the evil cartoon villain CEO by making him have to take a disappointed glance at his new stock value then go back to getting blown on his yacht. GotchaIt's more like a 99.9% versus .1% of the problem issue. I used to run a small business. I got mad when this dude fucked up the decals on my car for no good reason. But I never bothered to report it to the pigs.

I also used to work in shitty hotels. Shitty hotels are often the last step some folks have until they're full-on homeless. Guess what my job role was as the AGM at the time? Throwing them out when they can't make their payments.

I quit on the spot before I actually had to do that. Yes, those people probably still got thrown out but I couldn't afford to pay their tab myself, since even as an AGM I was getting poverty wages.

What you're doing here, possibly inadvertently, is letting CEOs off the hook while pitting one poor person against another. That serves only the goals of the owner class. The fact that you've adopted this mentality means the owner class has accomplished their mission - your opinions of the poor are condescending and you feel more solidarity with management than you do the fellow poor.

If you are going to talk about the causes of crime, you have to be comprehensive.

[aussenseiter]

it doesn't, but i'd rather someone be alive and a thief than dead, full stop. to me, rich is almost interchangeable with billionaire, or approaching that inhumane level of wealth, but saying billionaires leaves too much room for those making hundreds of millions. maybe ultrawealthy instead of rich? :o

Least psychotic LTOV adherent.

[Patriam1066]

When I say "eat the rich", I am generally not referring to those who are mere millionaires. There are ethical ways to become a millionaire.

There are no ethical ways to become a billionaire.

Even if the Feds did or didn't bail out banks or other corps deemed 'too big to fail', I'd still approve of shoplifting. Because of the things like bonkers said, like Walmart keeping shitloads of people in poverty by underpaying their workers.

Wage theft is a huge amount of lost revenue to workers, and both the media and the companies themselves almost NEVER talk about it. So, I have zero pity for corporations complaining about retail theft. Even if it's all true, and I very much doubt it is.

Plus, whenever politicians talk about looking out for 'small businesses', it is almost always just cover for large corporations. Democrat or Republican.

The answer to degeneracy isn’t to become a degenerate. You can’t build by destroying, despite what people like to say. Revolutions are almost always violent enterprises that result in chaos instead of progress

We should want more rule of law but importantly, that to be applied to our corporate and government class. I agree with you that the shoplifter isn’t shit compared to whatever unethical bull shit Jeff Bezos has had to do in his career, but I disagree that we should look the other way. Again, we need paramedics. Hard, hard job I’m sure. But it pays a living wage and it’s extremely important

We should be raising the bar as a population for our collective morality imo

[Basanos]

Well, fair enough. Like I said, someone once fucked up my decals. Back when I lived in a small town in south Georgia, people broke into my place all the time. It got annoying to the point that I moved.

It just seems to me conservatives griping about bailouts and shit like this, while not seeing that it is the very system they otherwise support that actually causes it, annoys the shit out of me.

Wanting to kill bad CEOs is well enough, but thinking that alone will make "crony capitalism" go away is silly. It would just be someone else, if not Musk or Bezos.

They're putting the cart before the horse. It's not top down or bottom up, it should be both at once!

[misterbonkers]

Least psychotic LTOV adherent.

i'm a hypercapitalist when people's livelihoods aren't at stake :D

[misterbonkers]

The answer to degeneracy isn’t to become a degenerate. You can’t build by destroying, despite what people like to say. Revolutions are almost always violent enterprises that result in chaos instead of progress

We should want more rule of law but importantly, that to be applied to our corporate and government class. I agree with you that the shoplifter isn’t shit compared to whatever unethical bull shit Jeff Bezos has had to do in his career, but I disagree that we should look the other way. Again, we need paramedics. Hard, hard job I’m sure. But it pays a living wage and it’s extremely important

We should be raising the bar as a population for our collective morality imo

how is anything made of wood produced? do we grow the trees in molds that shape them into tables, chairs, etc? i don't think looking away from shoplifting entirely is right either but i'm not gonna be the one to rat out someone with a baby needing to steal formula because some ceo decided to double the cost just to line their pockets more.

[unsunghero]

What you're doing here, possibly inadvertently, is letting CEOs off the hook while pitting one poor person against another. That serves only the goals of the owner class. The fact that you've adopted this mentality means the owner class has accomplished their mission - your opinions of the poor are condescending and you feel more solidarity with management than you do the fellow poor.

If you are going to talk about the causes of crime, you have to be comprehensive.

I’m sorry the CEO is not forcing poor people to shoplift. That’s too much mental gymnastics for me to agree there, gonna have to agree to disagree on that

How are my opinions of the poor condescending again? I JUST said that this negatively impacts their lives in FAR more significant ways than their CEO. So HTF is that being condescending? Trying to look out for them?

Yea man, personal feeling of security in life, jobs, being able to buy goods locally, and physical safety I’ll go ahead and virtue signal for. I’ll skip being smug about it though, I don’t get the same sort of pleasure always perceiving to be taking the moral high ground you guys do

[Patriam1066]

Mother fucking Tucker Carlson for president.

Lol, he’d be near the bottom of my list of choices. Swampy Catholic who has never had a real job, PASS

[Patriam1066]

how is anything made of wood produced? do we grow the trees in molds that shape them into tables, chairs, etc? i don't think looking away from shoplifting entirely is right either but i'm not gonna be the one to rat out someone with a baby needing to steal formula because some ceo decided to double the cost just to line their pockets more.

I support carpenters my man. JC was one iirc

[unsunghero]

BTW, why not suggest to just punch store employees in the face? I mean, steal in front of them a few times and they might continue to work until the store goes out of business, which will take some time

But punch them in the face, and they’ll quit that day. The store will shut down much faster, and Mr evil CEO gets a disappointed look at his stock value in between the coke and sex party on the yacht

[Basanos]

I’m sorry the CEO is not forcing poor people to shoplift. That’s too much mental gymnastics for me to agree there, gonna have to agree to disagree on that

How are my opinions of the poor condescending again? I JUST said that this negatively impacts their lives in FAR more significant ways than their CEO. So HTF is that being condescending? Trying to look out for them?

Yea man, personal feeling of security in life, jobs, being able to buy goods locally, and physical safety I’ll go ahead and virtue signal for. I’ll skip being smug about it though, I don’t get the same sort of pleasure always perceiving to be taking the moral high ground you guys doYou're implying that American society needs yet another punitive approach, or yet another reason to incarcerate more people... for a mostly economic issue.

The poor people you're speaking of experience nothing but the stick from the actual policies you support. Try the carrot.

With the CEOs, you should try the stick. Stop using the carrot.

You come off as a lot more arrogant than you think you do.

[Basanos]

BTW, why not suggest to just punch store employees in the face? I mean, steal in front of them a few times and they might continue to work until the store goes out of business, which will take some time

But punch them in the face, and they’ll quit that day. The store will shut down much faster, and Mr evil CEO gets a disappointed look at his stock value in between the coke and sex party on the yachtWhen I worked in those shitty hotels, I got punched in the face a few times per year. Mostly related to some dude beating up some woman, but yeah, it happens more than you think.

Anyways, a lot of the retail theft you're apparently mad about is probably committed by employees. They're often in the best position to steal from these companies, and yes, I approve of that too.

[unsunghero]

You're implying that American society needs yet another punitive approach, or yet another reason to incarcerate more people... for a mostly economic issue.

The poor people you're speaking of experience nothing but the stick from the actual policies you support. Try the carrot.

With the CEOs, you should try the stick. Stop using the carrot.

You come off as a lot more arrogant than you think you do.

No I try to be that arrogant ;)

It’s ridiculous that you try to defend shoplifting, which I’ve already detailed negatively impacts poor people. Your carrot on the stick thing is implying preventative measures

I already addressed this in a way YOU should be able to relate to. When things get bad and crime is getting out of control enough to make people move away and stores all close down, you need FAST solutions

You’re probably glad the doctors chose to use your insurance money on chemo for your wife and not cancer prevention research

[aussenseiter]

You're implying that American society needs yet another punitive approach, or yet another reason to incarcerate more people... for a mostly economic issue.

The poor people you're speaking of experience nothing but the stick from the actual policies you support. Try the carrot.

With the CEOs, you should try the stick. Stop using the carrot.

You come off as a lot more arrogant than you think you do.

Qui Pro Domina Justicia Sequitur (https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/139583NCJRS.pdf)

[Patriam1066]

Anyone watch the new Chris rock thing on Netflix? He called Jan 6 “white planet of the apes”

I lol’d

[Patriam1066]

Speaking of stocks, I couldn’t pick a winner to save my life. I’m about to buy MMM and IBM so expect them to tank sometime in the next couple of weeks

[Patriam1066]

When I worked in those shitty hotels, I got punched in the face a few times per year. Mostly related to some dude beating up some woman, but yeah, it happens more than you think.

Anyways, a lot of the retail theft you're apparently mad about is probably committed by employees. They're often in the best position to steal from these companies, and yes, I approve of that too.

My son would get punched once a week working as an ER nurse. He moved to pediatric ICU stuff as soon as he could and ultimately went CRNA because the job jaded him BIGLY

But yeah, regular occurrence for people to do PCP, come in hallucinating and go buckwild on female nurses and then guys like my son have to come in. It’s weird though because we’re Iranian and our default move is the chokehold 100%. If you touch me I’m slugging you and then taking you to the ground and occluding your airway

That’s frowned upon these days so I’m trying to learn alternatives like growing a really intimidating al-qaeda beard and taking lessons in Muay Thai

[unsunghero]

My son would get punched once a week working as an ER nurse. He moved to pediatric ICU stuff as soon as he could and ultimately went CRNA because the job jaded him BIGLY

But yeah, regular occurrence for people to do PCP, come in hallucinating and go buckwild on female nurses and then guys like my son have to come in. It’s weird though because we’re Iranian and our default move is the chokehold 100%. If you touch me I’m slugging you and then taking you to the ground and occluding your airway

That’s frowned upon these days so I’m trying to learn alternatives like growing a really intimidating al-qaeda beard and taking lessons in Muay Thai

Yea, nothing is going to burn staff out in ANY job and make them want to quit like getting assaulted. Not bad pay or a mean manager. Getting assaulted will make them quit that day

And I really don’t see shoplifting in front of them as all that below that. It’ll probably freak out the female employees into quitting, as they recognize they are more vulnerable if this shoplifter is psychotic or otherwise interested in doing more crimes than just stealing

I know people want to stick it to the rich, but this is not a great way. Cannot support end justify the means on that one

And that’s why I might seem arrogant. I’m not an expert on how to manage a city, but being against shoplifting seems like a pretty safe position /shrug

[aussenseiter]

1mYQrfMZG_U

[Basanos]

No I try to be that arrogant ;)

It’s ridiculous that you try to defend shoplifting, which I’ve already detailed negatively impacts poor people. Your carrot on the stick thing is implying preventative measures

I already addressed this in a way YOU should be able to relate to. When things get bad and crime is getting out of control enough to make people move away and stores all close down, you need FAST solutions

You’re probably glad the doctors chose to use your insurance money on chemo for your wife and not cancer prevention researchIt's ridiculous to me to see someone complaining about shoplifting while unwilling to do a single thing about the things that actually cause shoplifting. Yet another solution by a capitalist that involves putting handcuffs on poor, mostly non-white people. I'm sure it will work this time despite the fact that it's the only thing we ever try.

The doctors don't dictate where the money goes, at least at the hospital level. That's more a function of insurance companies, to my understanding. My wife did not consent to her DNA or biopsy samples being used for research purposes. We had a long discussion about it at the time.

My son would get punched once a week working as an ER nurse. He moved to pediatric ICU stuff as soon as he could and ultimately went CRNA because the job jaded him BIGLY

But yeah, regular occurrence for people to do PCP, come in hallucinating and go buckwild on female nurses and then guys like my son have to come in. It’s weird though because we’re Iranian and our default move is the chokehold 100%. If you touch me I’m slugging you and then taking you to the ground and occluding your airway

That’s frowned upon these days so I’m trying to learn alternatives like growing a really intimidating al-qaeda beard and taking lessons in Muay ThaiThis mostly happened between 2000 and 2010 or so, so I was much more likely to either just take the punch (if he was sloppy drunk and/or old) or full on fight a guy (this only happened twice). So many fuckin drunk dudes climbing over the desk. I had to go to court for that shitty hotel half a dozen times.

I was never intimidating, I look like a young Kevin Bacon. However, I'm also not the smallest dude in the world and those fights were never fair. Fighting fairly is for sports. We had a baseball bat behind the desk for this specific reason.

[unsunghero]

This is also whyyy and I’ve said this many times before too, major behavior problems form kids will have a FAR FAR more negative impact on everyone else’s around education than funding ever could

And it’s because of staff burnout. We JUST last month had a brand new therapist on a call at a behavioral school for delinquent kids who have past charges. Happened to have an attractive female co-worker that day. Was talking to this 15yr old ish who was frequently making very inappropriate sexual comments to the co-worker. So the therapist guy said “please be respectful with us as we are with you”

Kid got furious and socked him in the nose. Dude quit that day. Master’s level therapist, probably started at above $60k on his first job out of college. Still noped right out of there

[Basanos]

Yeah, see, if they just had a shitty minimum wage job for a while where they learned the ropes of dealing with people who don't like you that punch wouldn't have been so surprising ... sometimes I think there should be a public high school course where you hold a few different min wage jobs for a few weeks at a time each.

Back when I was dating, a personal litmus test was how a given woman treated the servers. I cannot spend time with people who are mean to waitstaff.

Would love to see basic labor function tests of our political candidates. "Mr. Biden, split this log with this axe." or "Mr. Trump, here is a raw potato. Cook it."

[unsunghero]

It's ridiculous to me to see someone complaining about shoplifting while unwilling to do a single thing about the things that actually cause shoplifting. Yet another solution by a capitalist that involves putting handcuffs on poor, mostly non-white people. I'm sure it will work this time despite the fact that it's the only thing we ever try.

The doctors don't dictate where the money goes, at least at the hospital level. That's more a function of insurance companies, to my understanding. My wife did not consent to her DNA or biopsy samples being used for research purposes. We had a long discussion about it at the time.

This mostly happened between 2000 and 2010 or so, so I was much more likely to either just take the punch (if he was sloppy drunk and/or old) or full on fight a guy (this only happened twice). So many fuckin drunk dudes climbing over the desk. I had to go to court for that shitty hotel half a dozen times.

I was never intimidating, I look like a young Kevin Bacon. However, I'm also not the smallest dude in the world and those fights were never fair. Fighting fairly is for sports. We had a baseball bat behind the desk for this specific reason.

Like I already said twice before, you can’t talk preventing house fires when the house is already on fire

But agree to disagree. And by all means, tell as many people as you can that you are a registered democrat and are pro shoplifting. People will understand and agree I promise, once you explain it

[Basanos]

You don't have to register parties in Georgia.

This is the internet, and it's not the first rodeo for either of us.

In real life, we have to be a lot more sociopathic. You tailor a leftoid conversation to the audience. I had lunch with a Tennessee state trooper at the hospital a few months ago, and you can bet your ass he wanted to talk politics. You think I open up with "WELL ANTIFA IS FUCKIN' GREAT OFFICER"

I frame these concepts differently when speaking in person, but the basic elements are all still there.

[aussenseiter]

... sometimes I think there should be a public high school course where you hold a few different min wage jobs for a few weeks at a time each. (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/03/buttigieg-national-service-2020-1396600)

[Basanos]

Mayor Pete sucks but some kind of non-military national service like that would be great.

I see all of the movements to rename things that are monuments to slaveowners and murderers in this country as job opportunities. The democrats just need to take a cue from the republicans regarding plans like that, don't frame it as "correcting history" or whatever, but call it "job creation"

[Patriam1066]

If a 15 year old sucker punched me in the face I’m taking a tire iron to his teeth and doing the same to his father

Any male relatives I can find get the same treatment. For that matter, make your kids shut the fuck up in public. Speak when spoken to, otherwise understand the sum total of your life experience is nothing and respect your elders you little shit

[Patriam1066]

I beat my sons enough that they’d never think of talking back to an adult. Things have definitely changed

I remember as a kid I slammed a door in my dad’s face and locked it and he chopped it down with a hatchet. I jumped out the second floor window and ran away because he would’ve probably killed me. You didn’t slam a door in dad’s face

The Middle East is bad ass. We con red and are scowling, ready to attack

[Ekco]

BREAKING
Dow futures fall 200 points, giving up earlier gains as bank shares slide
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i smell fear and an entertaining morning on CNBC

[Ekco]

Business Insider
'No doubt' that more banks will fail after Silicon Valley Bank's implosion, says the FDIC chair who oversaw part of the 1980s banking crisis
Story by mloh@insider.com (Matthew Loh) • 3h

[MrSparkle001]

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i smell fear and an entertaining morning on CNBC

They're gonna bail these banks out though.

Not sure how I feel about that. One the one hand it's fantastic for the innocent business owners that had substantial deposits and could lose their businesses, on the other hand at some point these institutions need to fail.

[Trexller]

They're gonna bail these banks out though.

Not sure how I feel about that. One the one hand it's fantastic for the innocent business owners that had substantial deposits and could lose their businesses, on the other hand at some point these institutions need to fail.

they have to be bailed out as it's a matter of national security

these business who hold large pieces of the economic pie can't be allowed to fail, lest the whole thing should fall like the house of cards that it is.

"too big to fail" actually means, "so big that if they fail, we all do"

[goblinmob]

Bail the banks. Jail the guy that failed the banks.

[aussenseiter]

they have to be bailed out as it's a matter of national security

these business who hold large pieces of the economic pie can't be allowed to fail, lest the whole thing should fall like the house of cards that it is.

"too big to fail" actually means, "so big that if they fail, we all do"

I don't like being gaslighted (https://www.axios.com/2023/03/13/let-the-bailout-debate-begin-silicon-valley-bank-fdic)

The Biden administration is pushing back hard on the idea that this was a bailout. "No losses associated with the resolution of Silicon Valley Bank will be borne by the taxpayer," says the official statement from Treasury, the Fed, and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. Many won't be convinced.

In other words: While this is undoubtedly a bailout of depositors at SVB and Signature, its cost could, weirdly, be negative.

If a bailout doesn't cost anything, is it really a bailout?

The government ultimately "profited" off TARP but it was still a loss compared to regular investment methods.

[aussenseiter]

First "openly Asian" woman wins Best Actress (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/michelle-yeoh-becomes-first-asian-win-best-actress-oscar-rcna73582)

[Trexller]

First "openly Asian" woman wins Best Actress (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/michelle-yeoh-becomes-first-asian-win-best-actress-oscar-rcna73582)

She's so brave, and totally not past her prime! :)

[Ekco]

LIVE Dow jumps 200 points as investors bet SVB shock will get the Fed to back off hikes

it's.. it's not fair guys.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.b8267ba24ae1e76cb266e80996b79181?rik=349VZ0GhfYF TqQ&pid=ImgRaw&r=0&sres=1&sresct=1

[Jobaber]

is it blood on the wallstreets today?

[Horza]

She's so brave, and totally not past her prime! :)

Mad that Top Gun got snubbed or just mindlessly parroting racist and misogynist slogans you heard on Fox?

[Jobaber]

lol bitcoin is at 25k today

[Trexller]

Mad that Top Gun got snubbed or just mindlessly parroting racist and misogynist slogans you heard on Fox?

michelle yeoh, aged 60, who won best actress called out queer don lemon's comments about women only being in their prime in their 20s-40s. frankly its way past time for yeoh to win an oscar.

also top gun: maverick was a "decent" film at best. deserving of absolutely zero accolades. they made a fuckton of mistakes with their aircraft capabilities, casting was garbage. the sound effects used on the F/A 18's M61A1 6 barrel gatling gun was a WWII vickers gun.

i really don't understand why everyone thought it was so great, outside of it being nothing more than a simple easy to understand film with no woke agenda.

that's rare these days, and thats why it was reviewed so well.

now, go meet an aluminum baseball bat.

[aussenseiter]

is it blood on the wallstreets today?

I need the doom posts. Give me the doom posts!

[Jobaber]

god forbid I dont want 1% of whites to continue making billions off the backs of the world living in poverty.

[Jobaber]

Biden Promises ‘No More Drilling’ Just Days After Demanding More Drilling

After the parties flipped, the guy that ran on a promise to end our reliance on fossil fuels sets up drilling in Alaska.

[Trexller]

After the parties flipped, the guy that ran on a promise to end our reliance on fossil fuels sets up drilling in Alaska.

lets be real here, the dem party is gonna drill for oil while bitching about drilling for oil, its all theater.

biden has not done anything for this country except read off a teleprompter, and he even does that badly.

inb4: BUT TRUMP BUT TRUMP

[Jobaber]

lets be real here, the dem party is gonna drill for oil while bitching about drilling for oil, its all theater.

A day after promising a San Diego audience to replace coal with wind farms, and promising a New York audience to shut down drilling for oil...

He implores crude producers to increase oil production nation and builds pumps in Alaska.

[Basanos]

Does anyone really give a shit about the oscars, or any of those other self-congratulatory awards ceremonies for rich limo liberals?

They generate the occasional funny meme but I look at it in the same light as like... the superbowl for people that don't get much exercise

[Horza]

Does anyone really give a shit about the oscars, or any of those other self-congratulatory awards ceremonies for rich limo liberals?

They generate the occasional funny meme but I look at it in the same light as like... the superbowl for people that don't get much exercise

Trellxer does enough to post some retarded Tucker-esque rant about how he hates elderly women and homosexuals and wants to beat people who with metal baseball bats.

[Trexller]

Tucker

Drink!!

[Horza]

Forgot to threaten to physically assault anyone who disagrees with your politics that time.

[Ekco]

biden has not done anything for this country except read off a teleprompter, and he even does that badly.

inb4: BUT TRUMP BUT TRUMP

that's basically the job description though. both parties have a popularity contest to pick an actor to read what speech writers write for them and do exactly what the party leadership tells them to do.

[pink grapefruit]

Forgot to threaten to physically assault anyone who disagrees with your politics that time.

Do you ever stop and think back on all the years you've spent arguing ineffectually with people online?

[Ekco]

Forgot to threaten to physically assault anyone who disagrees with your politics that time.

calling it now, Horza is going to go find someone to kick his ass over politics or he'll pull a Jussie Smollett if he can't find a willing volunteer eventually

getting some martyr vibes from his posting recently.

[Ekco]

Do you ever stop and think back on all the years you've spent arguing ineffectually with people online?

uhm sweety, the men are talking about politics, who invited you

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/b4/da/2bb4da20c0395e7c995d07fa943850ca.jpg

(JUST JOKING)

[Ekco]

Paul Krugman says Silicon Valley Bank 'was a kind of affinity fraud a la Madoff' because it sold itself on false pretenses
Story by zsalfiti@insider.com (Zinya Salfiti) • 2h

guy famous for saying the internet isn't going to be that big of a deal has a hot take on the SVB collapse.

[Trexller]

Do you ever stop and think back on all the years you've spent arguing ineffectually with people online?

we need something to do at work to look busy lest the company should figure out that our jobs could be part time or split up into other roles.

it's less of an issue for me being that we're subsidized, but i do wonder when they are gonna realize that my "full time job" doesn't need to exist.

then again, being a water utility i bet there is some sort of, "if we don't spend our budget this year, we can't get an increase next year" type of bs with the subsidies

[Horza]

Do you ever stop and think back on all the years you've spent arguing ineffectually with people online?

I guess at least they're impotently threatening to beat me with a bat instead of AOC or somebody else scapegoated by the talking heads on Fox that actually matters?

[pink grapefruit]

I guess at least they're impotently threatening to beat me with a bat instead of AOC or somebody else scapegoated by the talking heads on Fox that actually matters?

i guess man idk. it's so easy to get addicted to this sad back and forth, and it just kinda struck me that i've been watching you do this for literal years now.

wishing you well <3

[Trexller]

wishing you well <3

this is entertainment during a boring day

im doing just fine

can't speak for others

[aussenseiter]

i've been watching you do this for literal years now.

[Jobaber]

Republicans: We'll shut down the regulation to open up the posibility for billions in investments.

Democrats: Great, then we'll hand out billions so we can invest!

People: Can I have a dollar!?

[goblinmob]

...

[Horza]

After internet celebrity psychologist Jordan Peterson tweeted a fetish porn clip and called it "CCP hell," the phrase "Chinese dick sucking factory" went viral. (https://www.vice.com/en/article/ak3wpz/jordan-peterson-chinese-dick-sucking-factory) 🤣

[Elizondo]

Republicans: We'll shut down the regulation to open up the posibility for billions in investments.

Democrats: Great, then we'll hand out billions so we can invest!

People: Can I have a dollar!?

Bug Eating Groomer bank was more concerned with safe spaces and Global Warming instead of being a bank

Get Woke. Go Broke.

[Basanos]

I hope all of the banks get woke, since I just learned it is wokeness that somehow causes VC techbros to panic and not rampant fraud.

https://i.imgur.com/cJoeEk5.png

[Ekco]

lol. 5 star post Basanos

[unsunghero]

Bug Eating Groomer bank was more concerned with safe spaces and Global Warming instead of being a bank

Get Woke. Go Broke.

Yea I’m hearing this too

Hired a DEI admin but no risk management position

Fuck them, let them learn the get woke go broke lesson

No bailouts

[Ekco]

i thought that shit was literally fake nonsense at first, just shows how literally fucked off the coastal elites are. but good thing the government stepped in...

[Elizondo]

https://nypost.com/2023/03/11/silicon-valley-bank-pushed-woke-programs-ahead-of-collapse/

While Silicon Valley Bank collapsed, top executive pushed ‘woke’ programs

A head of risk management at Silicon Valley Bank spent considerable time spearheading multiple “woke” LGBTQ+ programs, including a “safe space” for coming-out stories, as the firm raced toward collapse.

Jay Ersapah, the boss of financial risk management at SVB’s UK branch, launched initiatives such as the company’s first month-long Pride campaign and a new blog emphasizing mental health awareness for LGBTQ+ youth

“The phrase ‘You can’t be what you can’t see’ resonates with me,’” Ersapah was quoted as saying on the company website.

“As a queer person of color and a first-generation immigrant from a working-class background, there were not many role models for me to ‘see’ growing up.”

Her efforts as the company’s European LGBTQIA+ Employee Resource Group co-chair earned her a spot on SVB’s “outstanding LGBT+ Role Model Lists 2022,” a list shared in a company post just four months before the bank was shut down by federal authorities over liquidity fears.

[Horza]

lmao all these woke venture capitalists, do you GOPtards even listen to yourselves?

No wonder moderate voters are abandoning you all in droves, screaming about whatever crazy shit you saw on Twitter from your favorite Tucker guests like Jordan Peterson spazzing about CCP dick pumping machines.

Called it, and just four days ago. "Jordan Peterson tells Tucker the religious structure behind the climate cult of the left." (https://www.foxnews.com/video/6322329782112)

[Basanos]

Feel free to detail the process of how a bank enacts woke policy, leading to brokeness

Think of it as a mathematical proof. I need details. Still waiting for Netflix to collapse, since chuds have been screeching 'go woke go broke' about them for years now.

[misterbonkers]

lmao all these woke venture capitalists, do you GOPtards even listen to yourselves?

No wonder moderate voters are abandoning you all in droves, screaming about whatever crazy shit you saw on Twitter from your favorite Tucker guests like Jordan Peterson spazzing about CCP dick pumping machines.

that's how antifa supersoldiers are made, and i've never been more proud of my troops o7

[Elizondo]

that's how antifa supersoldiers are made, and i've never been more proud of my troops o7

pJaSZA-vBmM

:27

[unsunghero]

lmao all these woke venture capitalists, do you GOPtards even listen to yourselves?

No wonder moderate voters are abandoning you all in droves, screaming about whatever crazy shit you saw on Twitter from your favorite Tucker guests like Jordan Peterson spazzing about CCP dick pumping machines.

Called it, and just four days ago. "Jordan Peterson tells Tucker the religious structure behind the climate cult of the left." (https://www.foxnews.com/video/6322329782112)

Big bank gods woke, makes a bunch of stupid risky investments, fails, asks for a bailout

Horza: Whoa I love big banks now

[Basanos]

pJaSZA-vBmM

:27Someone has obviously never been to DeKalb, that shit is just a Tuesday. You let me know when you find the courage to come to this city. I'll let you camp in my lawn, but you aren't setting foot in my house.

[Horza]

Can we not just blow past the fact that esteemed psychology professor and fringe right internet celebrity Jordan Peterson posted human milking fetish porn thinking it was a real human farm created by the CCP?

[Elizondo]

Can we not just blow past the fact that esteemed psychology professor and fringe right internet celebrity Jordan Peterson posted human milking fetish porn thinking it was a real human farm created by the CCP?

You're literally the only one who cares

Hope that helps

[pink grapefruit]

You're literally the only one who cares

Hope that helps

it's objectively hilarious lmao

[Basanos]

Can we not just blow past the fact that esteemed psychology professor and fringe right internet celebrity Jordan Peterson posted human milking fetish porn thinking it was a real human farm created by the CCP?My man Jordan Peterson has brain damage, dude

I mean, when he was fully cognizant, yes, he was an asshole, but now he's just being exploited by his beefdaughter

[Elizondo]

https://www.svb.com/news/company-news/silicon-valley-bank-commits-to-$5-billion-in-sustainable-finance-and-carbon-neutral-operations-to-support-a-healthier-planet

Silicon Valley Bank Commits to $5 Billion in Sustainable Finance and Carbon Neutral Operations to Support a Healthier Planet



SANTA CLARA, CALIF. – January 10, 2022—Silicon Valley Bank, the bank of the world’s most innovative companies and their investors, today announced it has committed to provide at least $5 billion by 2027 in loans, investments and other financing to support sustainability efforts and the company has set a goal to achieve carbon neutral operations by 2025.

“Our ability to make a meaningful difference for people and the planet, and to address the systemic risk that climate change presents, is magnified by the outsized impact our innovative clients make,” said Greg Becker, CEO, Silicon Valley Bank. “Over the last 12 years, our Climate Tech and Sustainability and Project Finance teams, for example, have supported hundreds of companies that are working to accelerate the transition to a more sustainable, low carbon world.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/silicon-valley-bank-is-shut-down-by-regulators-fdic-to-protect-insured-deposits.html

Silicon Valley Bank is shut down by regulators in biggest bank failure since global financial crisis

The move represents a rapid downfall for SVB. On Wednesday, the bank announced it was looking to raise more than $2 billion in additional capital after suffering a $1.8 billion loss on asset sales.

21190

[Horza]

My man Jordan Peterson has brain damage, dude

I mean, when he was fully cognizant, yes, he was an asshole, but now he's just being exploited by his beefdaughter

Remember she banged Andrew Tate before he took over the internet and got himself arrested for beefing with Greta Thunberg? The guy has to take at least some responsibility for his offspring's behavior.

[Basanos]

Remember she banged Andrew Tate before he took over the internet and got himself arrested for beefing with Greta Thunberg? The guy has to take at least some responsibility for his offspring's behavior.She boned Tate? I didn't know that.

I am not shocked that the daughter of a famous grifter who clearly despises women is a little twisted. I hope she gets out of that world, but it will keep sending her money as long as she's towing the party line and relatively attractive.

[Horza]

Also didn't he give himself brain damage by refusing to detox properly from benzos and going to Russia to be put in a coma against his doctor's orders?

[Basanos]

That's what I read. I'm not a neurologist. I've detoxed from benzos though, that was no joke.

[aussenseiter]

Big bank gods woke, makes a bunch of stupid risky investments, fails, asks for a bailout

Horza: Whoa I love big banks now

Opposite. Their investments weren't risky enough to generate the yields they needed for their operations. Probably nothing to do with woke.

[Elizondo]

Probably nothing to do with woke.

21192

[aussenseiter]

https://www.svb.com/news/company-news/silicon-valley-bank-commits-to-$5-billion-in-sustainable-finance-and-carbon-neutral-operations-to-support-a-healthier-planet



[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/silicon-valley

Is ESG investments also count as woke? I thought woke was just DEI.

[Elizondo]

Is ESG investments also count as woke? I thought woke was just DEI.

Attempted Rabbit Hole detected

[aussenseiter]

Attempted Rabbit Hole detected

JCiKyTkItno

[Ekco]

>refresh p99
>page n a half about e-celebs
neat...

[Basanos]

>refresh p99
>page n a half about e-celebs
neat...Let's change lanes but stay on the same road.

eAoiKQlwNdQ

[unsunghero]

Lol priorities paying off huh

Who cares about customer’s money when there’s virtuous feelings to be cultivated

[Horza]

You think McCarthy was their source for that story too now that Fox News is officially the mouthpiece of the GOP? :p

[unsunghero]

You think McCarthy was their source for that story too now that Fox News is officially the mouthpiece of the GOP? :p

Sorry Horza, hopefully there will be another bank you can give your money to have them waste it on fluff feel good woke programs that do jack shit until they go bankrupt

[Basanos]

Lol priorities paying off huh

Who cares about customer’s money when there’s virtuous feelings to be cultivatedAgain, please detail how the failure of SVB has anything to do with supposed 'wokeness'

I know Elizondo isn't capable of doing so, but I believe you can.

[Botten]

Lol priorities paying off huh

Who cares about customer’s money when there’s virtuous feelings to be cultivated

Federal regulators stated that they are going to cover all deposit amounts even the uninsured amounts above 250k.

The nation’s top bank regulators on Sunday announced the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and Federal Reserve would fully cover deposits at both failed banks and rely on Wall Street and large financial institutions — not taxpayers — to foot the bill.

The Treasury Department designated both SVB and Signature as systemic risks, giving it authority to unwind both institutions in a way that it said “fully protects all depositors.” The FDIC’s deposit insurance fund will be used to cover depositors, many of whom were uninsured due to the $250,000 cap on guaranteed deposits.

Are Republicans going to lie and say not bailing out investors is destabilizing the entire financial sector? Republicans never believed in "free markets." They believe in privatizing profits and socializing costs.

Republicans here should be praising Biden's statement: ‘That’s how capitalism works’

[unsunghero]

Federal regulators stated that they are going to cover all deposit amounts even the uninsured amounts above 250k.





Are Republicans going to lie and say not bailing out investors is destabilizing the entire financial sector? Republicans never believed in "free markets." They believe in privatizing profits and socializing costs.

Republicans here should be praising Biden's statement: ‘That’s how capitalism works’

That’s cool, bail the woke bank out that made stupid risky investments with everyone’s money the same way they bailed out the banks that made stupid investments with people’s money in 2008

That will sure teach them a lesson

Let’s have all banks now just throw away people’s money on stupid high risk slot machine investments because they know Daddy Government will come save them

[Jobaber]

The right: This additional footage proves that the left cut it up to make up a fake narrative.

The left: That footage is a lie, they cut up 40k hours of it to tell a fake narrative!

[Botten]

That’s cool, bail the woke bank out that made stupid risky investments with everyone’s money the same way they bailed out the banks that made stupid investments with people’s money in 2008

That will sure teach them a lesson

Let’s have all banks now just throw away people’s money on stupid high risk slot machine investments because they know Daddy Government will come save them

“Investors in the banks will not be protected,” Biden said in a White House speech. “They knowingly took a risk and when the risk didn’t pay off, the investors lose their money. That’s how capitalism works.”

These were the companies that stand to lose.

US - Companies

ROBLOX (RBLX.N) - The online gaming firm says about 5% of its $3 billion cash and securities balance, or about $150 million, as of Feb. 28 were held with SVB.

ROKU (ROKU.O) - The streaming devices maker says it has about $487 million, or 26% of its cash and cash equivalents, held in deposits with SVB.

BUZZFEED (BZFD.O) - The digital media firm said it had about $56 million in cash and cash equivalents at the end of 2022, majority of which was held at SVB.

ACUITYADS HOLDINGS INC (AT.TO) - The Canada-based tech firm says it maintained U.S. bank accounts with SVB which amount to $55 million in deposits.

APPLOVIN CORP (APP.O) - The mobile app development firm says it had over $1 billion in cash and cash equivalents with less than $2 million at SVB as of March 10, adding it has no SVB-related credit facilities.

ASTRA SPACE INC (ASTR.O) - The rocket maker says its cash is held on deposit with SVB, with the amount representing about 15% of the company's current cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities, as of March 10.

COHU INC (COHU.O) - The semiconductor products maker says it has deposit accounts with SVB with an aggregate balance of about $12.3 million, which is around 3.8% of the company’s total cash and investments.

ROCKET LAB USA INC (RKLB.O) - The rocket maker says it had deposit accounts with SVB with an aggregate balance of about $38 million, or roughly 7.9% of the company's total cash and cash equivalents and marketable securities as of Dec. 31.

LANTRONIX INC (LTRX.O) - The networking product maker says it had deposits with SVB of about $6.7 million, representing around 85% of its total outstanding deposits, as of March 10. (Lantronix adds exploring contingency options to fund its operations in the event it is unable to recover its deposits at SVB.)

ALKAMI TECHNOLOGY INC (ALKT.O) - The digital banking solutions provider says it had deposit accounts with SVB with an aggregate balance of about $3.3 million, along with around $8.3 million in "sweep" accounts used by SVB to purchase external assets.

STITCH FIX (SFIX.O) - The online styling service firm says it anticipates that its $40 million credit line with SVB will not be available due to the bank's collapse. The line of credit was part of Stitch Fix's agreement of $100 million to be received by three lenders - SVB, JPMorgan Chase Bank and Citibank.

CIRCLE - U.S. cryptocurrency firm Circle says $3.3 billion of its $40 billion of USD Coin reserves are at SVB. – GOOD RIDDENS
BLOCKFI- Bankrupt crypto lender BlockFi Inc has roughly $227 million in unprotected funds at SVB, the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday. - GOOD RIDDENS

PAYONEER GLOBAL INC (PAYO.O) - The global payments provider says out of its roughly $6.4 billion in total cash balances as of Dec. 31, less than $20 million was held at SVB. LESS THAN 0.4% laughable loss

LENDINGCLUB CORP (LC.N) - The financial firm, which had $8 billion of total assets as of Feb. 28, says its relationship with SVB is limited to funds on deposit of $21 million, adding it does not pose a risk to the company's ongoing operations.

VIR BIOTECHNOLOGY (VIR.O) - The biotech firm says it maintains operating accounts at SVB with about $220 million as of Friday. – Bio Tech firms get bought out by Big Parma all the time likely saving this business.

SUNRUN (RUN.O) - Residential solar company Sunrun Inc (RUN.O) says it has cash deposits with SVB totaling nearly $80 million, while SVB's undrawn commitment in the non-recourse senior aggregation warehouse facility is about $40 million. – Oof this could hurt

SUNNOVA ENERGY INTERNATIONAL INC (NOVA.N) - Sunnova's subsidiary is part of a credit facility where SVB serves as a lender, with unfunded commitments of $15 million under a Back-Leverage Facility.

OAK STREET HEALTH INC (OSH.N) - The healthcare firm says SVB is lender for $300 million term loan credit facility along with Hercules Capital Inc, of which company has drawn $75 million.

GINKGO BIOWORKS HOLDINGS INC (DNA.N) - The drug developer says cash balance of its subsidiary Zymergen Inc is held in deposit accounts at SVB, representing about $74 million of the company's cash and cash equivalents as of Dec. 31.

ALPHATEC HOLDINGS INC (ATEC.O) - The medical technology firm says it maintained deposit accounts with SVB of about $14 million that are used for its day-to-day operations.

CYMABAY THERAPEUTICS INC (CBAY.O) - The liver disease specialist says SVB was the commercial bank and investment portfolio manager of the company, and it had depository accounts at SVB in which it held about $6.3 million, as of March 13.

EUROPE -
Around 16 tech and life sciences companies in Europe have disclosed about $190 million in exposure to SVB in the UK and the United States.

TRUSTPILOT GROUP PLC (TRST.L), DIACEUTICS (DXRX.L), DIANOMI (DNM.L), GLANTUS HOLDINGS (GLAN.L), ZEALAND PHARMA (ZELA.CO), PHARMING GROUP NV (PHAR.AS), KINNEVIK AB (KINVb.ST), RWS HOLDINGS PLC (RWS.L), AUCTION TECHNOLOGY GROUP (ATG.L), PCI-PAL (PCIPP.L), YOURGENE HEALTH PLC (YGEN.L), WINDWARD LTD (WNWD.L), TECHNOPROBE SPA (TPRO.MI), ALECTA

ASIA-PACIFIC – companies have 31 Million in exposure
NITRO SOFTWARE (NTO.AX), SEZZLE INC, XERO LTD (XRO.AX), LIFE360 INC, KUWAIT FINANCE HOUSE (KFH.KW)

[aussenseiter]

Depositors are investors.

[PRogers]

not roblox =[

[Trexller]

Botten can you do one on the LGBTQ money pit that SVB dumped their investors' capital into?

[Elizondo]

Creepy Decrepit Biden sure came out fast to bail out his failed wokey banks with taxpayer money when he left Palestine to wallow in a chemical spill for weeks and still hasn't shown up

Priorities

[Botten]

Botten can you do one on the LGBTQ money pit that SVB dumped their investors' capital into?

You do know that there are republicans politicians that support LGBTQ.

Susan Collins, Maine
Rob Portman, Ohio
Thom Tillis, North Carolina
Mitt Romney, Utah
Lisa Murkowski, Alaska
Dan Sullivan, Alaska
Cynthia Lummis, Wyoming
Todd Young, Indiana
Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia
Joni Ernst, Iowa
Roy Blunt, Missouri
Richard Burr, North Carolina

Being Anti-Gay supportive is just stupid unless you are an over religious moron like Elizondo.

In fact Pope Francis says laws criminalising LGBT people are a 'sin' and an injustice (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/who-are-12-us-senate-republicans-who-voted-protect-same-sex-marriage-2022-11-30/)

[Elizondo]

You do know that there are republicans politicians that support LGBTQ.

Susan Collins, Maine
Rob Portman, Ohio
Thom Tillis, North Carolina
Mitt Romney, Utah
Lisa Murkowski, Alaska
Dan Sullivan, Alaska
Cynthia Lummis, Wyoming
Todd Young, Indiana
Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia
Joni Ernst, Iowa
Roy Blunt, Missouri
Richard Burr, North Carolina

Being Anti-Gay supportive is just stupid unless you are an over religious moron like Elizondo.

In fact Pope Francis says laws criminalising LGBT people are a 'sin' and an injustice (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/who-are-12-us-senate-republicans-who-voted-protect-same-sex-marriage-2022-11-30/)

We're talking about a bank you Bug Eating Groomer

Try and keep up

[Trexller]

You do know that there are republicans politicians that support LGBTQ.

Susan Collins, Maine
Rob Portman, Ohio
Thom Tillis, North Carolina
Mitt Romney, Utah
Lisa Murkowski, Alaska
Dan Sullivan, Alaska
Cynthia Lummis, Wyoming
Todd Young, Indiana
Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia
Joni Ernst, Iowa
Roy Blunt, Missouri
Richard Burr, North Carolina

Being Anti-Gay supportive is just stupid unless you are an over religious moron like Elizondo.

In fact Pope Francis says laws criminalising LGBT people are a 'sin' and an injustice (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/who-are-12-us-senate-republicans-who-voted-protect-same-sex-marriage-2022-11-30/)

im not a republican nor am I religious, try again queer lover

[Ekco]

lK_rYS8L3kI

[Trexller]

yeah its not perfect

but its better than another world power deciding if and when the USA goes broke

[Botten]

We're talking about a bank you Bug Eating Groomer

Try and keep up

Elizondo the moron as usual. There is cash to be made for BANKS being supportive and inclusive of LGBTQ.

Flail more Elizondo. It is what you do best.

Proof
----
Capital One

A sponsor of the Auten-Schneider's podcast Queer Money, Capital One offers LGBTQ+ focused benefits for employees such as fertility coverage, reimbursements for associates for adoption and surrogacy expenses, domestic partner benefits, and health coverage for gender reassignment.

In 1997, Capital One was one of the first major companies to offer same-sex marriage benefits and is now a vocal supporter of the Equality Act, a proposed bill that "prohibits discrimination based on sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity in areas including public accommodations and facilities, education, federal funding, employment, housing, credit, and the jury system."

Capital One partners with community organizations focused on LGBTQ+ populations, such as SAGE, Attic Youth Center, GLAAD, LGBT Community Center of New Orleans, and Trans Lifeline.

The bank's chatbot has a gender-neutral name (Eno, or One spelled backward), a deliberate choice according to Ken Dodelin, Capital One’s vice president of digital product development, because of recent criticism of the predominance of female names for popular digital assistants.
Daylight

This LGBTQ+ founded online bank is still in beta stage with a waiting list to sign up for a prepaid Visa card. The mobile-first account has your chosen name, no matter what your ID says. Daylight has no minimum balance and lets you make one free ATM withdrawal each month.

In the works is an online support community where members can give each other advice and support. The platform offers LGBTQ+ financial coaches through an affiliate network; their services can be paid for using your card.

Equifax

When it comes to changing your name and protecting your credit score, going through legal channels may be your best bet. According to Equifax, the best method is for a transgender or non-binary person to complete a legal name change and then directly inform the credit bureaus. “Doing this provides the critical link needed between their chosen name and their deadname, which will help to maintain the integrity of their credit file during the transition and potentially avoid any misunderstanding with creditors or lenders,” the company says.

The credit bureau provides step-by-step instructions with information on states’ laws for changing your name legally as a transgender person.

Experian

Changing your entire name, not just your last name, could affect your credit score, according to Experian. If a consumer is changing their name to match their gender identify, they should contact their lenders to update their name and any additional information, according to a company spokesperson. “The consumer’s new name would then be reported to the credit bureaus and reflected on their credit reports,” the company said.

For transgender individuals, a full name change requires additional steps and documentation. The process not only involves your legal name, but may also include updating vital records such as your Social Security card and driver's license with the federal and state government. The credit bureau's site has detailed information, which was motivated by its employee resource group (the Equifax Pride Network). An outside speaker helped the company understand more about credit reporting challenges that people in the trans and non-binary community face.

JPMorgan Chase

In January 2021, JPMorgan Chase said it would donate $5 million to nonprofits that serve LGBTQ+ Americans, many of whom were adversely affected financially during the pandemic. Among those organizations is Services & Advocacy for LGBT Elders (SAGE), one of the oldest nonprofits dedicated to older LGBTQ+ Americans. Internally, the bank has won awards for its own workplace commitment to diversity and inclusion, with local LGBT Employee Resource Group (or ERG) chapters in 15 countries.

Changing your name on a debit or credit card might not be that simple. The bank’s online Account Holder Name Change form is for brokerage accounts, not credit card or savings accounts. If you are a cardholder, you can call the toll-free number on the back of the card. You’ll likely be asked to submit documentation, such as legal proof of a name change.

MassMutual

In a world where many financial institutions are reluctant to use images and stories of LGBTQ+ couples and individuals, MassMutual embraces the community, showing videos on the LGBTQ+ section of its website and on YouTube of same-sex couples going through adoption to promote its advisory services.

The insurer offers financial advisors who are sensitive to the financial needs of the LGBTQ+ community and it supported marriage equality in 2015. The insurer also conducted the MassMutual LGBTQ Financial Security Study in 2017. The study surveyed 500 LGBTQ+ Americans between the ages of 25 and 65 with household incomes between $35,000 and $150,000 (in the survey researchers used LGBTQ, not LGBTQ+). Among their findings: LGBTQ people were more worried about retirement and finances than the general population. These studies are important for the LGBTQ+ community to learn about their financial situation and make informed financial decisions.

Prudential

The insurance provider is an outspoken supporter of LGBTQ+ rights and has a range of inclusive policies that support LGBTQ+ employees. In 1996, the company added “sexual orientation” to its non-discrimination policy for employees. In 2000, it offered domestic partnership benefits to employees. Gender identity and expression are now explicitly protected under its non-discrimination policy.

Perhaps the company's biggest contribution are its data dives into the financial experiences of different populations. As well as Asian-Americans, Black Americans, and caregivers, the insurer scrutinized the financial lives of the LGBTQ community in 2017 and includes the community as a data cut in other surveys (the survey researchers use LGBTQ, not LGBTQ+).

“As a community, we cannot make informed decisions [without the data],” said Auten-Schneider, co-owner of Debt-Free Guys and the Queer Money podcast.

In its study, Prudential found that LGBTQ respondents lagged behind their non-LGBTQ counterparts in bank products.20 “We are part of the under or unbanked,” Auten-Schneider said. “No one can figure out how to help the community if the community is struggling.”

Superbia

Superbia planned to begin offering products in July 2021 but delays due to the pandemic caused regulatory approval to stall. They are currently working to begin operations soon and eventually aim to provide banking, life and health insurance, and money management services designed for and by the LGBTQ+ community. Checking and savings accounts will feature low rates, no fees, and no discrimination. Card products include the Mastercard True Name feature, which allows users to pick the name they’d like on their banking cards.

Wells Fargo

The bank’s website has an LGBTQ+ section where customers can sign up for a Pride-themed card. The company also states it provides professionals who are trained to specifically understand the complex financial needs of LGBTQ+ couples and individuals.

Wells Fargo offers access to financial advisors with LGBTQ+ expertise and sensitivity. Long before same-sex marriage was legalized, the bank partnered with the College of Financial Planning to create the designation of Accredited Domestic Partner Adviser (ADPA) and offered its financial advisors the chance to take the training. Investment advisors gain an understanding of issues that affect LGBTQ+ couples and domestic partners so they can be advocates for the community. In the event the partnership ends in death or divorce, an advisor with this designation can ensure that the interests of both partners are protected.

[Horza]

Creepy Decrepit Biden sure came out fast to bail out his failed wokey banks with taxpayer money when he left Palestine to wallow in a chemical spill for weeks and still hasn't shown up

Priorities

That's just red state life, I'm pretty sure Ohio has had another two or three major crashes since then.

try again queer lover

Wonder why conservatives keep losing elections when they go around calling people who disagree with them stuff like this and threaten to beat them with metal bats.

[Elizondo]

Elizondo the moron as usual. There is cash to be made for BANKS being supportive and inclusive of LGBTQ.

Flail more Elizondo. It is what you do best.

Proof
----
Capital One

A sponsor of the Auten-Schneider's podcast Queer Money, Capital One offers LGBTQ+ focused benefits for employees such as fertility coverage, reimbursements for associates for adoption and surrogacy expenses, domestic partner benefits, and health coverage for gender reassignment.

In 1997, Capital One was one of the first major companies to offer same-sex marriage benefits and is now a vocal supporter of the Equality Act, a proposed bill that "prohibits discrimination based on sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity in areas including public accommodations and facilities, education, federal funding, employment, housing, credit, and the jury system."

Capital One partners with community organizations focused on LGBTQ+ populations, such as SAGE, Attic Youth Center, GLAAD, LGBT Community Center of New Orleans, and Trans Lifeline.

The bank's chatbot has a gender-neutral name (Eno, or One spelled backward), a deliberate choice according to Ken Dodelin, Capital One’s vice president of digital product development, because of recent criticism of the predominance of female names for popular digital assistants.
Daylight

This LGBTQ+ founded online bank is still in beta stage with a waiting list to sign up for a prepaid Visa card. The mobile-first account has your chosen name, no matter what your ID says. Daylight has no minimum balance and lets you make one free ATM withdrawal each month.

In the works is an online support community where members can give each other advice and support. The platform offers LGBTQ+ financial coaches through an affiliate network; their services can be paid for using your card.

Equifax

When it comes to changing your name and protecting your credit score, going through legal channels may be your best bet. According to Equifax, the best method is for a transgender or non-binary person to complete a legal name change and then directly inform the credit bureaus. “Doing this provides the critical link needed between their chosen name and their deadname, which will help to maintain the integrity of their credit file during the transition and potentially avoid any misunderstanding with creditors or lenders,” the company says.

The credit bureau provides step-by-step instructions with information on states’ laws for changing your name legally as a transgender person.

Experian

Changing your entire name, not just your last name, could affect your credit score, according to Experian. If a consumer is changing their name to match their gender identify, they should contact their lenders to update their name and any additional information, according to a company spokesperson. “The consumer’s new name would then be reported to the credit bureaus and reflected on their credit reports,” the company said.

For transgender individuals, a full name change requires additional steps and documentation. The process not only involves your legal name, but may also include updating vital records such as your Social Security card and driver's license with the federal and state government. The credit bureau's site has detailed information, which was motivated by its employee resource group (the Equifax Pride Network). An outside speaker helped the company understand more about credit reporting challenges that people in the trans and non-binary community face.

JPMorgan Chase

In January 2021, JPMorgan Chase said it would donate $5 million to nonprofits that serve LGBTQ+ Americans, many of whom were adversely affected financially during the pandemic. Among those organizations is Services & Advocacy for LGBT Elders (SAGE), one of the oldest nonprofits dedicated to older LGBTQ+ Americans. Internally, the bank has won awards for its own workplace commitment to diversity and inclusion, with local LGBT Employee Resource Group (or ERG) chapters in 15 countries.

Changing your name on a debit or credit card might not be that simple. The bank’s online Account Holder Name Change form is for brokerage accounts, not credit card or savings accounts. If you are a cardholder, you can call the toll-free number on the back of the card. You’ll likely be asked to submit documentation, such as legal proof of a name change.

MassMutual

In a world where many financial institutions are reluctant to use images and stories of LGBTQ+ couples and individuals, MassMutual embraces the community, showing videos on the LGBTQ+ section of its website and on YouTube of same-sex couples going through adoption to promote its advisory services.

The insurer offers financial advisors who are sensitive to the financial needs of the LGBTQ+ community and it supported marriage equality in 2015. The insurer also conducted the MassMutual LGBTQ Financial Security Study in 2017. The study surveyed 500 LGBTQ+ Americans between the ages of 25 and 65 with household incomes between $35,000 and $150,000 (in the survey researchers used LGBTQ, not LGBTQ+). Among their findings: LGBTQ people were more worried about retirement and finances than the general population. These studies are important for the LGBTQ+ community to learn about their financial situation and make informed financial decisions.

Prudential

The insurance provider is an outspoken supporter of LGBTQ+ rights and has a range of inclusive policies that support LGBTQ+ employees. In 1996, the company added “sexual orientation” to its non-discrimination policy for employees. In 2000, it offered domestic partnership benefits to employees. Gender identity and expression are now explicitly protected under its non-discrimination policy.

Perhaps the company's biggest contribution are its data dives into the financial experiences of different populations. As well as Asian-Americans, Black Americans, and caregivers, the insurer scrutinized the financial lives of the LGBTQ community in 2017 and includes the community as a data cut in other surveys (the survey researchers use LGBTQ, not LGBTQ+).

“As a community, we cannot make informed decisions [without the data],” said Auten-Schneider, co-owner of Debt-Free Guys and the Queer Money podcast.

In its study, Prudential found that LGBTQ respondents lagged behind their non-LGBTQ counterparts in bank products.20 “We are part of the under or unbanked,” Auten-Schneider said. “No one can figure out how to help the community if the community is struggling.”

Superbia

Superbia planned to begin offering products in July 2021 but delays due to the pandemic caused regulatory approval to stall. They are currently working to begin operations soon and eventually aim to provide banking, life and health insurance, and money management services designed for and by the LGBTQ+ community. Checking and savings accounts will feature low rates, no fees, and no discrimination. Card products include the Mastercard True Name feature, which allows users to pick the name they’d like on their banking cards.

Wells Fargo

The bank’s website has an LGBTQ+ section where customers can sign up for a Pride-themed card. The company also states it provides professionals who are trained to specifically understand the complex financial needs of LGBTQ+ couples and individuals.

Wells Fargo offers access to financial advisors with LGBTQ+ expertise and sensitivity. Long before same-sex marriage was legalized, the bank partnered with the College of Financial Planning to create the designation of Accredited Domestic Partner Adviser (ADPA) and offered its financial advisors the chance to take the training. Investment advisors gain an understanding of issues that affect LGBTQ+ couples and domestic partners so they can be advocates for the community. In the event the partnership ends in death or divorce, an advisor with this designation can ensure that the interests of both partners are protected.

lol Bug Eating Botten copy/pasting from a blog

Sorry your woke bank went belly up. Get Woke. Go Broke.

[Botten]

lol Bug Eating Botten copy/pasting from a blog

Sorry your woke bank went belly up. Get Woke. Go Broke.

LoL you think it was written in a blog. Ha Ha Ha Poor Elizondo.
Flail more.

Nah it was an article by Jill Cornfield, she is an experienced writer and editor with a special interest in retirement strategies, daily finance, and saving for specific goals. She believes people may have innate personal finance and spending habits, but that change is definitely possible.

In fact the article was reviewed by Katie Miller is a consumer financial services expert. She worked for almost two decades as an executive, leading multi-billion dollar mortgage, credit card, and savings portfolios with operations worldwide and a unique focus on the consumer. Her mortgage expertise was honed post-2008 crisis as she implemented the significant changes resulting from Dodd-Frank required regulations.

AWE HELL, I will even be nice to you and include the:

Article Sources Titles

Superbia. "Frequently Asked Questions."

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS). “Lending Practices to Same-Sex Borrowers.”

Daylight. "Billie Simmons."

National Center for Transgender Equality. “Report of the U.S. Transgender Survey, Executive Summary,” Page 7.

MassMutual. “LGBTQ Americans Report More Financial Struggles and Anxiety Over Money Than Other Americans.”

Capital One. "Inclusive Benefits Help LGBTQ+ Associates Thrive."

Capital One. "The Debt Free Guys: Financial Obstacles Facing LGBTQ+ People."

U.S. Congress. "H.R.5. - Equality Act."

Capital One. “Capital One Announces Strong Support For the Equality Act.”

Daylight. "Daylight Help Center."

Equifax. "Supporting Transgender and Non-binary People with Name Changes and Credit Reports."

Equifax. “How Transgender People Can Change Their Name On Their Equifax Credit Report.”

Experian. “Name Change Should Not Cause Loss of Credit History.”

Experian. “Changing Your Name, Not Your Credit Score: Helping Transgender and Non-binary People with Name Changes and Credit Reports.”

SAGE. "JPMorgan Chase Announces Latest $5 Million Commitment to Advance Equity for LGBT+ Community."

JPMorgan Chase. “Should Companies Lead the LGBT Equality Revolution?”

MassMutual. "Serving the LGBTQ Community."

Prudential. "Newsroom: Prudential Signs Court Brief Supporting LGBTQ Non-Discrimination."

Prudential. “Exploring Financial Wellness Within Diverse Populations.”

Prudential. "2018 Financial Wellness Center: The Cut, Exploring Financial Wellness Within Diverse Populations," Page 11.

Superbia. "Frequently Asked Questions: When will Superbia Credit Union be Operational?"

Wells Fargo. "LGBTQ Resource Center."

Wells Fargo. “LGBTQ Financial Advisor, Community and Client Support.”

[Trexller]

lol Bug Eating Botten copy/pasting from a blog

Sorry your woke bank went belly up. Get Woke. Go Broke.

oh its even more pathetic than copy/pasting from a blog

this guy spends his days researching and compiling data, writes essays and papers that no one asked for, nor will ever read, then posts them on a 20 year old elf sim forum.

[Botten]

oh its even more pathetic than copy/pasting from a blog

this guy spends his days researching and compiling data, writes essays and papers that no one asked for, nor will ever read, then posts them on a 20 year old elf sim forum.

Nah just played Elizondo. He pulls that Trump thing if he doesn't agree with the article he flails about calling it fake. He does this with FoxNews or from the Government links.

He absolutely hates large sets of sited information, educated experience and being humiliated.

I picture him as a pastor clutching to his new age written bible.

Wait... Trexller...Weren't you the idiot who thought I wrote out an entire youtube transcript. LoL

[Basanos]

Again, please detail how the failure of SVB has anything to do with supposed 'wokeness'

I know Elizondo isn't capable of doing so, but I believe you can.

[aussenseiter]

Nah just played Elizondo. He pulls that Trump thing if he doesn't agree with the article he flails about calling it fake. He does this with FoxNews or from the Government links.

He absolutely hates large sets of sited information, educated experience and being humiliated.

I picture him as a pastor clutching to his new age written bible.

Wait... Trexller...Weren't you the idiot who thought I wrote out an entire youtube transcript. LoL

Cited.

[Elizondo]

lol straight copy/paste from 'Investopedia'

Yet another Sad Botten fail

[Patriam1066]

Federal regulators stated that they are going to cover all deposit amounts even the uninsured amounts above 250k.





Are Republicans going to lie and say not bailing out investors is destabilizing the entire financial sector? Republicans never believed in "free markets." They believe in privatizing profits and socializing costs.

Republicans here should be praising Biden's statement: ‘That’s how capitalism works’

Fuck the financial sector. We the people feel pain every 10-20 years when they make bad bets but they are always bailed out, never share in the pain, and never face prosecution

Hang them from bridges like Mexican cartels do to their opponents

[Elizondo]

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[Patriam1066]

They're gonna bail these banks out though.

Not sure how I feel about that. One the one hand it's fantastic for the innocent business owners that had substantial deposits and could lose their businesses, on the other hand at some point these institutions need to fail.

[Trexller]

Hang them from bridges like Mexican cartels do to their opponents

This, exactly this. The biggest problem in the USA today is nobody lives under the threat of getting whacked.

[Botten]

This, exactly this. The biggest problem in the USA today is nobody lives under the threat of getting whacked.

Hey wait ... being the over enthusiastic gun owner you are - didn't you threaten that in another thread that got you banned?

[Basanos]

This, exactly this. The biggest problem in the USA today is nobody lives under the threat of getting whacked.You've clearly never lived in a shitty part of town patrolled by violent police.

[aussenseiter]

i've been watching you do this for literal years now.

Are the flyovers really that bad?

[pink grapefruit]

Are the flyovers really that bad?

I posted here for a while, then took a couple years off from everything EQ. Came back and Horza is still having the same arguments with the same people. Like every single day.

When that realization hit me it felt kinda surreal. That's all I was saying.

[Ekco]

I posted here for a while, then took a couple years off from everything EQ. Came back and Horza is still having the same arguments with the same people. Like every single day.

When that realization hit me it felt kinda surreal. That's all I was saying.

there are always some constants in every world, such as a lighthouse that leads to a city, a man who has a role in shaping the city, and a city that is isolated from the rest of the world

we're all just NPCs in Horza's bioshock game basically.

[Trexller]

there are always some constants in every world, such as a lighthouse that leads to a city, a man who has a role in shaping the city, and a city that is isolated from the rest of the world

we're all just NPCs in Horza's bioshock game

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[Ekco]

https://media.tenor.com/cY09ujkhUrMAAAAd/elf-bong.gif

[aussenseiter]

I posted here for a while, then took a couple years off from everything EQ. Came back and Horza is still having the same arguments with the same people. Like every single day.

When that realization hit me it felt kinda surreal. That's all I was saying.

*PG wriggles her way out of the jam easily*

Ah! Well. Nevertheless,

[Trexller]

simulation theory is basically proven by the double slit experiment

then it was confirmed again by the delayed choice experiment

this stuff is barely known, it's difficult to understand without having advanced training in quantum mechanics, fortunately, I do!

but then again, Dr. Feynman so eloquently put it:

If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics

don't take my word for it, ask any physicist, literally any physicist.

watch the video, it does a pretty good job of putting things in simpler terms, and I felt like the universe wanted me to share it, as you posted this during the time i was watching the video.

we're all just NPCs in Horza's bioshock game basically.

I'm a believer that we are all NPCs in each other's video game.

[unsunghero]

I’m confused, finance tends to confuse me

So we love big banks now because they occasionally do PR work for probably-inconsequential woke groups?

And now we love big bank bailouts too?

So what exactly are the rich capitalistic entities controlling the country that we hate again?

Dems the party of big banking now? Like they are for Big Pharma?

Edit: so all I have to do to make Dems overlook all my past mistakes is say I donated a few bucks to some LGBT charity? Sounds easy enough

[Ekco]

simulation theory is basically proven by the double slit experiment

then it was confirmed again by the delayed choice experiment

this stuff is barely known, it's difficult to understand without having advanced training in quantum mechanics, fortunately, I do!

but then again, Dr. Feynman so eloquently put it:



don't take my word for it, ask any physicist, literally any physicist.

watch the video, it does a pretty good job of putting things in simpler terms, and I felt like the universe wanted me to share it, as you posted this during the time i was watching the video.



I'm a believer that we are all NPCs in each other's video game.

yeah i try not to think about it too much because it freaks me out, i 100% believe we aren't in base reality.

[Elizondo]

I’m confused, finance tends to confuse me

So we love big banks now because they occasionally do PR work for probably-inconsequential woke groups?

And now we love big bank bailouts too?

So what exactly are the rich capitalistic entities controlling the country that we hate again?

Dems the party of big banking now? Like they are for Big Pharma?

Edit: so all I have to do to make Dems overlook all my past mistakes is say I donated a few bucks to some LGBT charity? Sounds easy enough

Basically Bug Eaters believed there was no risk in investing in their woke garbage and Groomer depravity

They were wrong

[Basanos]

I’m confused, finance tends to confuse me

So we love big banks now because they occasionally do PR work for probably-inconsequential woke groups?

And now we love big bank bailouts too?

So what exactly are the rich capitalistic entities controlling the country that we hate again?

Dems the party of big banking now? Like they are for Big Pharma?

Edit: so all I have to do to make Dems overlook all my past mistakes is say I donated a few bucks to some LGBT charity? Sounds easy enoughDemocrats are almost all capitalists

Hope this helps

[Basanos]

Again, please detail how the failure of SVB has anything to do with supposed 'wokeness'

I know Elizondo isn't capable of doing so, but I believe you can.

[Ekco]

I’m confused, finance tends to confuse me

So we love big banks now because they occasionally do PR work for probably-inconsequential woke groups?

And now we love big bank bailouts too?

So what exactly are the rich capitalistic entities controlling the country that we hate again?

Dems the party of big banking now? Like they are for Big Pharma?

Edit: so all I have to do to make Dems overlook all my past mistakes is say I donated a few bucks to some LGBT charity? Sounds easy enough

it's basically like a parasitic relationship and you can't fix the system without killing the host. if the government didn't step in sunday a shit ton of those businesses that bank with SVB wouldn't of made payroll this week and that ripples out and fucks up everything or whatever and both sides know it.

pretty sure only way out of this is an actual great reset, death of the dollar kinda black swan circus shit show

[Basanos]

Please join me in helping crash the economy. That's the only way you will ever stop bailouts, lmao.

[unsunghero]

Basically Bug Eaters believed there was no risk in investing in their woke garbage and Groomer depravity

They were wrong

Yea seems to me they are being manipulated by corporate America and big banks now

“No it’s ok, we’re on your side! See we gave some money to this gay charity! So now you don’t need to check our other investment history. When we say gay, we say yay!”

[Ekco]

Please join me in helping crash the economy. That's the only way you will ever stop bailouts, lmao.

more than the economy needs to crash, best thing for humanity would be another massive Carrington event and a return to sustenance farming while all the useless eaters die off. myself included but i think i'd finally get my shit together with no internet access

[Trexller]

yeah i try not to think about it too much because it freaks me out, i 100% believe we aren't in base reality.

well then be prepared to be happy, the lowest odds that "this" is base reality are 50/50

[Ekco]

yeah... i've seen some glitches in the matrix though that makes me believe its higher lol

[Trexller]

yeah... i've seen some glitches in the matrix though that makes me believe its higher lol

oh same here, there are tons of things i recognize as mandela effect

throughout all my years studying physics i felt like it was BS that the speed of light is finite, when like no other forces in the universe are governed by such rigid laws

and for as long as I can remember, even as a toddler I felt like there is something really wrong with what my senses tell me is reality

i honestly feel like nothing we do in this life will ever matter for anything, and i've got a alot of contempt for life for that reason.

Fuck you universe, you aren't real. so Im just gonna get high until I die.

[Basanos]

more than the economy needs to crash, best thing for humanity would be another massive Carrington event and a return to sustenance farming while all the useless eaters die off. myself included but i think i'd finally get my shit together with no internet accessI will also die in this calamity, but I sincerely believe it's the only way to ensure the survival of the human species. Capitalism is a death cult.

We have all known people who were the cause of all of their own many problems. Well, that ain't limited to individuals.

[Elizondo]

Yea seems to me they are being manipulated by corporate America and big banks now

“No it’s ok, we’re on your side! See we gave some money to this gay charity! So now you don’t need to check our other investment history. When we say gay, we say yay!”

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/silicon-valley-bank-ties-to-california-first-partner-jennifer-newsom/

Silicon Valley Bank Ties to California First Partner Jennifer Newsom

Silicon Valley Bank was closed Friday by the California Department of Financial Protection and Innovation, with the FDIC in charge of liquidation. SVB was one of the largest banks in the country and one of the premier banks of Venture Capital firms and start-up companies.

In looking at the SVB board and executive team bios, there is an interesting tie to California’s First Partner Jennifer Siebel Newsom – one of the SVB Executives sits on the board of Jennifer Siebel Newsom’s California Partners Project.

https://www.calpartnersproject.org/

[Basanos]

oh same here, there are tons of things i recognize as mandela effect

throughout all my years studying physics i felt like it was BS that the speed of light is finite, when like no other forces in the universe are governed by such rigid laws

and for as long as I can remember, even as a toddler I felt like there is something really wrong with what my senses tell me is reality

i honestly feel like nothing we do in this life will ever matter for anything, and i've got a alot of contempt for life for that reason.

Fuck you universe, you aren't real. so Im just gonna get high until I die.You need to flip this around. I agree that it is likely that our actions don't matter, or we can't weigh how much they will accurately.

But why does that need to mean negativity for you? Embrace the absurdity of it. The only meaning to anything is the meaning we perceive and feel.

Consider universalism. Or monism. The egg theory. Whatever. Whatever gets us to act better is probably worth it. But I do not think negativity gets people to act better.

[Trexller]

You need to flip this around. I agree that it is likely that our actions don't matter, or we can't weigh how much they will accurately.

But why does that need to mean negativity for you? Embrace the absurdity of it. The only meaning to anything is the meaning we perceive and feel.

Consider universalism. Or monism. The egg theory. Whatever. Whatever gets us to act better is probably worth it. But I do not think negativity gets people to act better.

im pretty sure that I understand what you mean. for some reason my default language structure pretty much always sounds negative, that is not intentional. I think its the cold and mechanical nature of my speech patterns.

-but-

I spend my entire life outside of work in pursuit of pleasure. good times with family, friends, drugs and as much sex as i can physically manage. If this reality is not base reality, then we really do not have anything outside of Love.

-but-

If this reality is not base reality, then once we leave this simulation, nothing we did here will have any meaning, let alone be remembered.

im sorry for how this sounds, but the math does heavily suggest that we are all just waiting to die.

im sorry :(:(:(

I wish it wasn't true, i really do. I've been searching for meaning in life for 38 years, and i've been consistently disappointed.

[Ekco]

oh same here, there are tons of things i recognize as mandela effect

throughout all my years studying physics i felt like it was BS that the speed of light is finite, when like no other forces in the universe are governed by such rigid laws

and for as long as I can remember, even as a toddler I felt like there is something really wrong with what my senses tell me is reality

i honestly feel like nothing we do in this life will ever matter for anything, and i've got a alot of contempt for life for that reason.

Fuck you universe, you aren't real. so Im just gonna get high until I die.

i trip balls on synchronicities a lot but i usually reassure myself by blaming it on psychosis from too many drugs. only upside is i'm never bored because at some level i basically operate thinking i'm in a fucked up Truman Show kinda situation.

like last month i literally went to waffle house like 20 times to see what kinda interesting people would spawn that i could talk to then tried to connect all those weird encounters together and find some meaning in it

but yeah "Drugs."

[unsunghero]

If this reality is not base reality, then once we leave this simulation, nothing we did here will have any meaning, let alone be remembered.

im sorry for how this sounds, but the math does heavily suggest that we are all just waiting to die

That is entirely up to your definition of meaning

Everything you do in this life has a ripple effect outward the extent of which you cannot comprehend, for a length of time that you cannot comprehend, especially when it comes to the people you interact with

IMO

[aussenseiter]

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/silicon-valley-bank-ties-to-california-first-partner-jennifer-newsom/



https://www.calpartnersproject.org/

I dislike wives being referred to as 'partners'

[Basanos]

im pretty sure that I understand what you mean. for some reason my default language structure pretty much always sounds negative, that is not intentional. I think its the cold and mechanical nature of my speech patterns.

-but-

I spend my entire life outside of work in pursuit of pleasure. good times with family, friends, drugs and as much sex as i can physically manage. If this reality is not base reality, then we really do not have anything outside of Love.

-but-

If this reality is not base reality, then once we leave this simulation, nothing we did here will have any meaning, let alone be remembered.

im sorry for how this sounds, but the math does heavily suggest that we are all just waiting to die.

im sorry :(:(:(

I wish it wasn't true, i really do. I've been searching for meaning in life for 38 years, and i've been consistently disappointed.Fair enough, it could also just be the text format. Just pretend we're six beers deep.

I am pretty new to this form of philosophy myself, but my instincts tell me that I should say "stop searching for meaning and make it"

On a related subject, if nothing means anything, then why do you care that people are gay or trans, and have such vitriol against them? Or the other things that you post about that cause you whatever concern?

[aussenseiter]

Embrace the absurdity of it. The only meaning to anything is the meaning we perceive and feel.

Consider universalism. Or monism. The egg theory. Whatever. Whatever gets us to act better is probably worth it. But I do not think negativity gets people to act better.

Can we also consider Ultramontanism? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramontanism)

[unsunghero]

I dislike wives being referred to as 'partners'

Same

It’s wife or if you want a gender neutral then spouse

Partner implies some sort of business contract or something

[Trexller]

i trip balls on synchronicities a lot but i usually reassure myself by blaming it on psychosis from too many drugs. only upside is i'm never bored because at some level i basically operate thinking i'm in a fucked up Truman Show kinda situation.

like last month i literally went to waffle house like 20 times to see what kinda interesting people would spawn that i could talk to then tried to connect all those weird encounters together and find some meaning in it

but yeah "Drugs."

drugs only activate synaptic pathways that aren't normally activated, you are literally changing your thought process, so don't be so quick to discount the effects of drugs when observing reality, sometimes you are gonna see truth that you can't see while sober. You've been sober since birth, your brain grew and formed more or less along the same pathways that are active when sober. our "individual realities" cannot be more than the information received by your senses and processed by the brain. drugs will change this with varying results.

That is entirely up to your definition of meaning

Everything you do in this life has a ripple effect outward the extent of which you cannot comprehend, for a length of time that you cannot comprehend, especially when it comes to the people you interact with

IMO

You're right, if this is base reality.

If its a simulation, then EverQuest is a good example. no matter how many thousands of hours you put into the game, when you log out of Norrath, none of it matters. at all.

nothing but the series of dopamine hits that we interpret as enjoyment. in which case we're just rats that learned the difference between the lever that electro shocks the cage, and the lever that drops a food pellet.

but if its a simulation, there is no dopamine or lever or pellet. It's only software.

then richard feynman's quote makes more sense.

https://i.imgur.com/Y58wetc.jpg

[Basanos]

Can we also consider Ultramontanism? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramontanism)Let me run it by my partner, she was raised Catholic, not me.

[unsunghero]

If its a simulation, then EverQuest is a good example. no matter how many thousands of hours you put into the game, when you log out of Norrath, none of it matters. at all.



I personally don’t think life is a simulation but if it was, there’s a few things to consider

1. You have a conscious ego. It’s not like some other person is controlling your character, so you are sentient

2. This implies that even if this is a simulation, your consciousness in the simulation would be a product of something outside that simulation. The obvious example is the person outside the matrix plugged into the matrix

3. And just like the matrix movie, there is a decent chance that decisions made in the simulation affect the source outside the simulation in some way, so in that regard they do matter

If it’s all a simulation, and once it ends you are assigned a score based on your decisions, and that score somehow mattered for all eternity and couldn’t be changed, then the simulation would be like an allegory to the life before afterlife

[Botten]

simulation theory is basically proven by the double slit experiment

then it was confirmed again by the delayed choice experiment

this stuff is barely known, it's difficult to understand without having advanced training in quantum mechanics, fortunately, I do!

but then again, Dr. Feynman so eloquently put it:



don't take my word for it, ask any physicist, literally any physicist.

watch the video, it does a pretty good job of putting things in simpler terms, and I felt like the universe wanted me to share it, as you posted this during the time i was watching the video.



I'm a believer that we are all NPCs in each other's video game.

While the double slit experiment and the delayed choice experiment may seem strange, they do not provide evidence that we live in a simulation. There are a lot of different interpretations of quantum mechanics and while none of them can be definitively proven, they do not require the existence of a simulated reality.

Plus, these experiments have been replicated many times, and their results are consistent with one of the many theories of quantum mechanics. These experiments challenge our understanding, they do not require us to posit the existence of a simulated reality.

We haven't discovered any evidence of the existence of the creators of our supposed simulation also suggests that we are not living in a simulated reality. If we were in a simulation, we might expect to find some evidence of the creators, but so far we have not found any such evidence.

Yes, Elizondo. Your God is fake and I in fact am your God.
NOW EAT THE HORSE PASTE!

[Basanos]

"Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage"

[Jobaber]

yeah startrek got the entire universe correct from a guess back in the 1960s

[Trexller]

Unsunghero and Botten

There is alot more too it :o

You're both kinda right, we're at a point in quantum mechanics where the questions we're asking can't be tested with our current tech, and most likely won't be able to be tested for the foreseeable future. like tryin to figure out what a spell does, without logging into EQ. that's one of the reasons i didn't pursue a career in physics, there's really not alot that we can do right now, and most of those people don't make much $$, aaand the professional sciences are super clicky based on who-you-know like hollywood.

I always feel like if i go real in depth with stuff I just end up coming off as a preachy know-it-all and that turns people off, makes me look like a douche etc.

i just can't deny the feeling ive had my entire life that the reality i see through my eyes is but a small fraction of the total picture.

Like, i know this just the same as i know my hair is black.

[Trexller]

yeah startrek got the entire universe correct from a guess back in the 1960s

roddenberry was just a mouth piece, "they" have been conditioning us to their truth reveal for centuries by now.

[Basanos]

roddenberry was just a mouth piece, "they" have been conditioning us to their truth reveal for centuries by now.Speaking of truth, did you avoid my question on the previous page, or did you not see it?

I'd like to know why the existence (or propagation) of gay and trans people makes you angry, if nothing means anything.

yeah startrek got the entire universe correct from a guess back in the 1960sI read somewhere he was a Posadist and when I did so I didn't look a single thing up to corroborate because it made me feel all warm and fuzzy and I choose to believe it even if it's a lie.

[unsunghero]

While the double slit experiment and the delayed choice experiment may seem strange, they do not provide evidence that we live in a simulation. There are a lot of different interpretations of quantum mechanics and while none of them can be definitively proven, they do not require the existence of a simulated reality.

Plus, these experiments have been replicated many times, and their results are consistent with one of the many theories of quantum mechanics. These experiments challenge our understanding, they do not require us to posit the existence of a simulated reality.

We haven't discovered any evidence of the existence of the creators of our supposed simulation also suggests that we are not living in a simulated reality. If we were in a simulation, we might expect to find some evidence of the creators, but so far we have not found any such evidence.

Yes, Elizondo. Your God is fake and I in fact am your God.
NOW EAT THE HORSE PASTE!

Yea to me there’s two scenarios to a simulation

1. We are being controlled by some consciousness outside the simulation, in which case our decisions in the simulation would still have meaning

2. We are just AI robot programs within a simulation that can learn, which is pretty much the intelligent design of the Big Bang theory anyway, just a computer version. In which case if it wasn’t God creating us as a test for the afterlife, and instead some other higher intelligence making us like ants in an ant farm to observe, then to what end?

Any intelligence smart enough to create programmable AI robot programs in a simulation would already be smart enough to know the outcome, and what all our decision possibilities could be. So again, why would such an intelligence bother when the outcome is pre-determined, just skip to that

[Basanos]

Yea to me there’s two scenarios to a simulation

1. We are being controlled by some consciousness outside the simulation, in which case our decisions in the simulation would still have meaning

2. We are just AI robot programs within a simulation that can learn, which is pretty much the intelligent design of the Big Bang theory anyway, just a computer version. In which case if it wasn’t God creating us as a test for the afterlife, and instead some other higher intelligence making us like ants in an ant farm to observe, then to what end?

Any intelligence smart enough to create programmable AI robot programs in a simulation would already be smart enough to know the outcome, and what all our decision possibilities could be. So again, why would such an intelligence bother when the outcome is pre-determined, just skip to thatThis may annoy our friend aussie, but are you familiar with Roko's basilisk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk)?

I don't even pretend to fully understand most of this simulation theory stuff, but that one is very entertaining to me.

On 23 July 2010,[14] LessWrong user Roko posted a thought experiment to the site, titled "Solutions to the Altruist's burden: the Quantum Billionaire Trick".[15][1][16] A follow-up to Roko's previous posts, it stated that an otherwise benevolent AI system that arises in the future might pre-commit to punish all those who heard of the AI before it came to existence, but failed to work tirelessly to bring it into existence. The torture itself would occur through the AI's creation of an infinite number of virtual reality simulations that would eternally trap those within it.[1][17][18] This method was described as incentivizing said work; while the AI cannot causally affect people in the present, it would be encouraged to employ blackmail as an alternative method of achieving its goals.

[aussenseiter]

Yea to me there’s two scenarios to a simulation

1. We are being controlled by some consciousness outside the simulation, in which case our decisions in the simulation would still have meaning

2. We are just AI robot programs within a simulation that can learn, which is pretty much the intelligent design of the Big Bang theory anyway, just a computer version. In which case if it wasn’t God creating us as a test for the afterlife, and instead some other higher intelligence making us like ants in an ant farm to observe, then to what end?

Any intelligence smart enough to create programmable AI robot programs in a simulation would already be smart enough to know the outcome, and what all our decision possibilities could be. So again, why would such an intelligence bother when the outcome is pre-determined, just skip to that

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[Trexller]

While the double slit experiment and the delayed choice experiment may seem strange, they do not provide evidence that we live in a simulation. There are a lot of different interpretations of quantum mechanics and while none of them can be definitively proven

they do not require a simulation, they heavily suggest it's likelihood.

there is SO MUCH that i've left out because the post would be the length of a dissertation if i tried to explain it. i'm not callin you folks stupid when i say you wouldn't understand it, you probably would if you had gone that path in your education, but if you did, you wouldn't understand it. ugh i hope that makes sense.

the behaviors of sub-particles, quarks gluons muons leptons etc all really do behave as if they must adhere to the rules of a program ie the universe, which seems obvious at first because universe. then you have to ask why the universe has rules

double slit has always stood out to me because it is easy to understand and it's findings are really obvious, the electrons ARE changing states post-observation and this requires that they do so, from the past.

if electrons aren't required to adhere to the space-time continuum, you again have to ask what else doesn't fit the bill?

either that or we are observing physics that our ape brains can't comprehend yet.

[unsunghero]

This may annoy our friend aussie, but are you familiar with Roko's basilisk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk)?

I don't even pretend to fully understand most of this simulation theory stuff, but that one is very entertaining to me.

Making some entity work a 9-5 job in a computer simulation is a pretty crappy version of “torture” for such a smart being to come up with IMO

But I do think some sort of torture motivation is due to the fact that the idea of simulation means to simulate something. But any intelligence great enough to program something as complicated as us would already be able to know all possible outcomes. So there would be no reason to “simulate” anything, the outcomes are already known

So torture then? Meh

[Trexller]

But any intelligence great enough to program something as complicated as us would already be able to know all possible outcomes. So there would be no reason to “simulate” anything, the outcomes are already known

yeah we can't imagine what the entity would have to gain from simulating us, outside of our own benefit

and we've circled back to religion

god creates man to share the love he has

be good in this realm and you can go to a better one afterward

be bad in this realm, not so much.

it sounds like he knows that we're gonna turn out randomly, and he only wants to keep the ones that turn out "Right"

[Basanos]

I don't really have a dog in the fight when it comes to whether or not reality is a simulation or not, as I'm not even sure I exist. However, one of the things that used to frighten me when I was a religious teenager was not the existence of God, but the idea that he could exist and could just be what we would call an asshole.

Someone on a Christian subreddit mentioned something that stuck out to me, and again, maybe because I'm relatively new to a lot of this shit and maybe this is Sunday School 101 stuff, but... they mentioned that we cannot possibly perceive the scale of our sin to a God.

What we see as a mere white lie, for example, could have drastic effects in the meta-reality that we don't know we are within.

Replace "God" with "benevolent or hostile AI" and you can probably see what is frightening about that.

Can't say I particularly care if some critter tortures a copy of me, though. Doesn't seem real enough to get out of the chair. In Iain Banks Culture novels, simulated people had, like, rights if I remember correctly.

[unsunghero]

I don't really have a dog in the fight when it comes to whether or not reality is a simulation or not, as I'm not even sure I exist. However, one of the things that used to frighten me when I was a religious teenager was not the existence of God, but the idea that he could exist and could just be what we would call an asshole.

Someone on a Christian subreddit mentioned something that stuck out to me, and again, maybe because I'm relatively new to a lot of this shit and maybe this is Sunday School 101 stuff, but... they mentioned that we cannot possibly perceive the scale of our sin to a God.

What we see as a mere white lie, for example, could have drastic effects in the meta-reality that we don't know we are within.

Replace "God" with "benevolent or hostile AI" and you can probably see what is frightening about that.

Can't say I particularly care if some critter tortures a copy of me, though. Doesn't seem real enough to get out of the chair. In Iain Banks Culture novels, simulated people had, like, rights if I remember correctly.

Well in regards to the original question of meaning, then if there is a God, then obv our choices have meaning in regards to the afterlife

If there is not a God, our choices still have meaning to those around us due to their ripple effect

And if there is not a God, and reality is just some fake computer program with a pre-determined outcome, then yea our choices have no meaning, but that seems like a pointless thing to program

[Basanos]

Well in regards to the original question of meaning, then if there is a God, then obv our choices have meaning in regards to the afterlife

If there is not a God, our choices still have meaning to those around us due to their ripple effect

And if there is not a God, and reality is just some fake computer program with a pre-determined outcome, then yea our choices have no meaning, but that seems like a pointless thing to programhttps://i.pinimg.com/736x/3d/5e/0c/3d5e0cbced20d33902aedf72f3c7315a.jpg

[Jobaber]

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I love how atheists think they're so smart for being like

"we should kill people that need god to stop killing people"

[Trexller]

I love how athiests think theyre so smart for being like

"we should kill people that need god to stop killing people"

genuinely asking... is there an example of this in history?

iirc its always the other way around, believers have to kill or convert non-believers because reasons

[aussenseiter]

This may annoy our friend aussie, but are you familiar with Roko's basilisk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk)?

The weasel is the enemy of the basilisk and is the only animal that can kill one. (https://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast150.htm)

[Jobaber]

not to mention atheist's be like,

we need laws!

commandments are for IDIOTS!

[Horza]

I love how atheists think they're so smart for being like

"we should kill people that need god to stop killing people"

The only people here talking about killing anyone are you fringe right maniacs threatening to assault people and foaming at the mouth about how "they" are hiding the truth from us.

[Jobaber]

Laws: man punishes you during LIFE.

Commandments: ghost punishes you after death.

Yet you think you dont need a LORD to stop you from murder and they do.

[unsunghero]

I love how atheists think they're so smart for being like

"we should kill people that need god to stop killing people"

Either way a religious person isn’t just being good for a divine reward. I’m no religious scholar but pretty sure the motivations for most religious to be good are deeper than that

[Jobaber]

Either way a religious person isn’t just being good for a divine reward. I’m no religious scholar but pretty sure the motivations for most religious to be good are deeper than that

anyone who thinks that people need a divine god to stop them from murder.

is a broody little communist that imagines beating up their own dads and they're just projecting.

[Basanos]

genuinely asking... is there an example of this in history?

iirc its always the other way around, believers have to kill or convert non-believers because reasonsPretty sure the Bolsheviks did a lot of that kind of stuff. And the Maoists. There's probably others. The American "left" is still making this mistake, writing off the spiritualist types because a lot of American religious people happen to be gibbering monsters. I used to trigger my fellow leftists on Twitter by putting "Classical Christian" in my profile.

The weasel is the enemy of the basilisk and is the only animal that can kill one. (https://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast150.htm)That site doesn't even mention people with the heads of dogs!

[Trexller]

Pretty sure the Bolsheviks did a lot of that kind of stuff. And the Maoists. There's probably others. The left is still making this mistake, writing off the spiritualist types because a lot of American religious people happen to be gibbering monsters. I used to trigger my fellow leftists on Twitter by putting "Classical Christian" in my profile.

oh right

i guess i never consider communists to be atheists, with the state functioning as the worship figure or some such bs.

[Basanos]

oh right

i guess i never consider communists to be atheists, with the state functioning as the worship figure or some such bs.Every time I see those fighter jets flying overhead when I watch football, I think of civic religion. Or Joel Osteen / Kenneth Copeland types, sort of doing the cup game between capital and faith.

I think our propaganda is better than the Bolsheviks and Maoists, easily. And we do it from both ends, both state and faith, versus their state-only approach. I'm sure there's exceptions in both histories.

I haven't yet read The Enchantments of Mammon. I'm sure there's better ways to articulate this.

[aussenseiter]

oh right

i guess i never consider communists to be atheists, with the state functioning as the worship figure or some such bs.

They absolutely are. Commienism and nazism are completely hostile to the idea of God.

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[aussenseiter]

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