Do you think the computer gaming industry?

[magnetaress]

Will ever start designing games and hardware with a 20 year minimum lifespan in mind?

[NPC]

Look up Moore's law as to why they could never do 20 years, its just not economically feasible. Although we may have just entered into realm of the physical theoretical limit for transistor's, so Moore's law no longer applies. When internet finally gets to solid Gigabit internet connections all over the world (starlink maybe?) everything will stream 100%, no need for hardware. That could still be decades away or it could be 5 years away, if the US would just get off their ass and build fiber optic wire everywhere.

[magnetaress]

Look up Moore's law as to why they could never do 20 years, its just not economically feasible. Although we may have just entered into realm of the physical theoretical limit for transistor's, so Moore's law no longer applies. When internet finally gets to solid Gigabit internet connections all over the world (starlink maybe?) everything will stream 100%, no need for hardware. That could still be decades away or it could be 5 years away, if the US would just get off their ass and build fiber optic wire everywhere.

New stuff sucks. Have you seen mblakes cool computer? He's banned now so u probably won't see it ever. I get suckered into buying new shit too. Especially with consoles.

I feel like everything is planned obsolescence and just like.. holy crap games looked beautiful on older hardware but we went through like 5 major graphics subsystem overhauls. Like. Idk. Maybe I'm dumb. But newer games are just shiny and we forgot that games were supposed to be challenging and cool and skillful. Not just pretty interactive movies.

[NPC]

It will be interesting to see what the next consoles are like, graphics cant get too much better. They say the human eye can't even see 16k, so eventually there will be a point very soon that graphics cannot get any better. That is gonna be very weird when it happens. One way or another hardware will cease to be the end all, I wonder what these hardware companies are gonna do? The graphic card companies are already gearing up for 8K. I believe they are just now starting to experiment with 16k visuals, and I actually watched an 8K movie in a theater a couple years ago. Wow was that freaky, didn't know why the visual fidelity was so powerful.

[magnetaress]

It will be interesting to see what the next consoles are like, graphics cant get too much better. They say the human eye can't even see 16k, so eventually there will be a point very soon that graphics cannot get any better. That is gonna be very weird when it happens. One way or another hardware will cease to be the end all, I wonder what these hardware companies are gonna do?

We've had big pushes for efficiency spurred by the mobile industry.

My cellphone is like, powerful. Like I can fold genes with it.

Maybe with more bits, we'll get bigger AI stuff, but we can already do impressively there it's just dumbed down so swarm behavior doesn't kill us and we can have more actors on the screen.

I wouldn't mind npcs designing their own art or having conversations with me with the sum of all our philosophic knowledge.

I reckon u could simulate this forum and I wouldn't be able to tell it isn't real.

[Byue]

look, we live in a capitalist system and if you can make a buck on pollution, on killing, on piling trash in someone else's backyard and especially if you can make money off your children's asthma, then you will because you should OR, someone else will.

I mean it's cheaper for companies to keep dangerous machines and pay fines rather than buy safe machines that lower floor of plant go slower so why would any company think in terms of 20 years?
They will be bought before then and their assets, liquidated to turn a profit on the acquisition.

never going to happen under capitalism.

[Cassawary]

look, we live in a capitalist system and if you can make a buck on pollution, on killing, on piling trash in someone else's backyard and especially if you can make money off your children's asthma, then you will because you should OR, someone else will.

I mean it's cheaper for companies to keep dangerous machines and pay fines rather than buy safe machines that lower floor of plant go slower so why would any company think in terms of 20 years?
They will be bought before then and their assets, liquidated to turn a profit on the acquisition.

never going to happen under capitalism.

Clean Air Act happened under capitalism, you polar boor.

Also OSHA.

[imperiouskitten]

Gangsta rap too

[magnetaress]

Can use my row of xboxes to heat my room in winter with nuclear.

It's not ultra fem of me but I will paint them bright pinks and magentas. With purple led stripping and they'll compute crypto or run distributed compute nodes.

[NPC]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_device_fabrication

If you look to the right, Semiconductor device fabrication you can actually see the computer power advancement over the years. Looks like they are still shrinking it down somehow. The lower the number, the more powerful the computing power btw.
Nm = nanometers
2020 they hit 5nm.
Everytime the Semiconductor manufacturers move to a smaller silicon wafer they have to shut their plants down for like 3-4 months, spend billions of dollars to re-tool for smaller transistors. So they have to do it incrementally or they would lose money.
I'm sure they could immediately go smaller but they have to weigh the costs of doing so. Soon they will have to invent new computers when they hit the physical limit for traditional transistors in order to keep increasing computing power. Like quantum computers, or something along those lines.

[magnetaress]

We already have quantum computation.

Someone did Bells experiment with quantum entanglement using two quasars on a cosmic scale for randomness, so we are fairly sure, like >90%< reasonably sure spooky action at a distance is a thing. This isn't computational but really strongly affirms QM as a usable model.

China is heavily invested in quantum security. Crypto. Even launching sats with the tech.

Googles funputers are public knowledge. So we are past the theoretical stage.

Trust me world leaders are more interested in quantumly simulated sex simulators than ensuring the underclasses can feed themselves reliably and safely.

You'll get ur qbits.

[Knuckle]

Will ever start designing games and hardware with a 20 year minimum lifespan in mind?

Doubtful, unless a resource shortage continues and no solutions occur, AND the big players handshake on slowing rollouts to like every 5-10 years instead of once a year. This would cripple many of the manufacturing and third party vendors that need constant rollout and then the parasitic relationship they hold with game designers who need to push the envelope on graphic requirements so people feel compelled to upgrade their systems more often to experience the latest and greatest in high res.

That being said console systems operate much more closely to this philosophy: major new system, minor upgraded "pro" versions down the line, new console comes out...3-7 years later?

Basically what your asking for is not anywhere in the foreseeable future from an economic and industry dependence standpoint, too much money is on the line in the hardware industry.

[magnetaress]

Doubtful, unless a resource shortage continues and no solutions occur, AND the big players handshake on slowing rollouts to like every 5-10 years instead of once a year. This would cripple many of the manufacturing and third party vendors that need constant rollout and then the parasitic relationship they hold with game designers who need to push the envelope on graphic requirements so people feel compelled to upgrade their systems more often to experience the latest and greatest in high res.

That being said console systems operate much more closely to this philosophy: major new system, minor upgraded "pro" versions down the line, new console comes out...3-7 years later?

Basically what your asking for is not anywhere in the foreseeable future from an economic and industry dependence standpoint, too much money is on the line in the hardware industry.

Yeah I agree.

Unless hobbyists can maybe fill the void. Or gain the ability to make their own hardware and then compete on quality. Openness. Modability.

I think.

The factory that rolls out graphics cards are worth billions right now and cost millions to retool I think. I thought $10 million was a lot of momentum in 04, oh how silly I was.

I wonder if someone could make a hobby version. My brother does a lot of programmable IC stuff and board design. He can wind up paying a good amount to prototype some stuff. It used to be like $300-800 a decade ago.

I smell a potential market niche.

[Jibartik]

Will ever start designing games and hardware with a 20 year minimum lifespan in mind?

star citizen probably is already.

[magnetaress]

star citizen probably is already.

I feel like the level of accuracy of AI targeting systems in most far future scenarios precludes really tactical deployment and combat will simply be about ranging our opponents and striking first, strategically, maybe using assets as shields or decoys. And stealth systems.

No one's going to draw their ship up broadside and slow down in space. Or try to dogfight when they can kill you at 100,000km.

Hopefully the trading system is deep.

[Jibartik]

Imagine if in the future we find out space is too hostile for us to travel in, so as a work around we build a virtual world to live in that is so realistic that traveling in it would be like traveling in real space and we could explore it freely.. but the mistake we made is that the virtual world was so realistic, that we forgot it was virtual and here we are killing each other over politics and we'll wake up in our VR helmets after we die and go, lol whops!

[magnetaress]

Aren't there at least a few levels to reality to keep the plebes from pulling the plug after getting owned?

Why build a sim with both QM and general relativity? What does QM add?

[Kaveh]

look, we live in a capitalist system and if you can make a buck on pollution, on killing, on piling trash in someone else's backyard and especially if you can make money off your children's asthma, then you will because you should OR, someone else will.

I mean it's cheaper for companies to keep dangerous machines and pay fines rather than buy safe machines that lower floor of plant go slower so why would any company think in terms of 20 years?
They will be bought before then and their assets, liquidated to turn a profit on the acquisition.

never going to happen under capitalism.

Hahahahaha

This guy is poor and his tax dollars will be used to purchase F-35s AND build pipelines through the land of “First Nations” tribes, all by a leader who wore blackface socially at parties in the not very distant past

Hahahahahah Canadians, what a bunch of fucking pussies

[imperiouskitten]

Aren't there at least a few levels to reality to keep the plebes from pulling the plug after getting owned?

Why build a sim with both QM and general relativity? What does QM add?

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