Anyone watch the Chauvin trial today?

[DMN]

How did the prosecution establish Floyd's girlfriend's relevance to the case? Did defense make any objections for lack of of foundation(relevant for potential appeal of the trial)? Did the defense actually ask her about floyd's recent drug use and did they ask about whether he really was "claustrophobic" as he claimed he was-- just shortly after being pried out of a tiny ass compact?.

[Baler]

Jerry Jerry Jerry!
(90s reference)

[Cassawary]

How long is this gonna take?

[Topgunben]

I heard that the Police department trained the officers to kneel on the necks of people resisting arrest. Can anyone confirm this is true?

[bubur]

im no lawyer but fentanyl should be illegal or some shit

that said waitin to see if somethin i didnt kno comes out

doubt it

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It seemed like they were questioning her about her and his drug use and if she knew about his past heroine use which she didn't. She mentioned his abuse was an ongoing problem for a while.

I hate it when people fall into drugs. I recently lost a cousin to this shit.

I don't remember if claustrophobia was mentioned. I don't think it was.

[Kaveh]

RIP George

You were a piece of shit parasite, but only God can take a life. Give chauvin life imprisonment

[this user was banned]

RIP George

You were a piece of shit parasite, but only God can take a life. Give chauvin life imprisonment

Where are you coming from here? Based on the evidence (I've watched all 3 days of the trial so far), I'm thinking at worst, involuntary manslaughter, I'm having a hard time believing he intentionally tried to kill him. George was on drugs at the time and witness testimony appears to easily confirm this, this may have played a factor in it.

Here's the toxicology report, shows both meth and fentanyl
https://famous-trials.com/george-floyd/2648-george-floyd-the-toxicology-report

This can affect your heart rate and breathing, and it's possible being restrained in the manner her was might have also been a contributing factor. He was able to speak which means his breathing probably wasn't restricted, but his ability to get enough oxygen might have been affected due to the drugs and potentially restricted blood flow due to being restrained the way he was.

Not a doctor, but that's just my thoughts on the matter.

[Toxigen]

RIP George

You were a piece of shit parasite, but only God can take a life. Give chauvin life imprisonment

wtf are you smoking?

Can't wait until Chauvin is acquitted.

Weakest prosecution I've ever seen in any high profile trial.

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/OFvpzqx.jpg

[bubur]

must be tiring to spread the corruption against all odds horza

could learn a lot from u

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/Pctev0X.jpg

[Kaveh]

wtf are you smoking?

Can't wait until Chauvin is acquitted.

Weakest prosecution I've ever seen in any high profile trial.

I’ve heard the jury selection Audio. It’s 6 blacks and 6 very liberal white people. He’s going to prison

In addition, there’s that whole video which is kind of bad from my perspective.

[Baler]

Honestly what did anyone expect.

He's going to be buried under the prison.

[Cassawary]

how about a conviction that's easily thrown out on appeal?

Nobody has to die, nothing gets burned, Mr Chauvin receives a check for his time served.

[Gravydoo II]

LOL when you think you'll be spared for sucking up to white authority. Racism only works for white people, kaveh. You're just another person that is seen as an opportunity for a hate crime/lynching. You're a fucking middle eastern immigrant. You think there would even be a trial if it was you? lol

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/FYrQ0oC.jpg

[Toxigen]

oops

https://i.imgur.com/6gw1hSG.png

known criminal and drug abuser dies of heart failure due to massive overdose while resisting arrest

not murder - sorry not sorry

[this user was banned]

oops

https://i.imgur.com/6gw1hSG.png

known criminal and drug abuser dies of heart failure due to massive overdose while resisting arrest

not murder - sorry not sorry

Your body can develop a tolerance which will allow for elevated levels in your system. He had a long history of drug use, as testified by his girlfriend, so this is not out of the question.

Why is everyone so divisive these days? Has it become trendy to hate one another, dehumanize people, and insult rather than convince others to your viewpoints?

[this user was banned]

I’ve heard the jury selection Audio. It’s 6 blacks and 6 very liberal white people. He’s going to prison

In addition, there’s that whole video which is kind of bad from my perspective.

I have some faith in the justice system. Jurors with bias are generally filtered out and some were excused already.

“Defence lawyer Eric Nelson noted the woman said on her questionnaire she wanted to be on the jury “to give my opinion of the unjust death of George Floyd”.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/juror-excused-as-george-floyd-murder-trial-begins/ar-BB1epN8m

“A judge Wednesday dismissed two jurors who had been seated in the trial of the former Minneapolis police officer charged with murder in George Floyd's death over concerns that a $27 million settlement the city reached with Floyd's family last week would affect their ability to be impartial.“

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/2-seated-jurors-dismissed-over-views-minneapolis-27m-settlement-george-n1261294

And reasonable blacks exist just like any other race. Clarence Thomas, Larry Elder, Anthony Brian Logan, Candace Owens, Booker T Washington, and to some degree Malcom X.

[Grakken]

Not gonna Lie Snortles, I mostly browse this forum to read your posts. You always give me a laugh.

[Toxigen]

Your body can develop a tolerance which will allow for elevated levels in your system. He had a long history of drug use, as testified by his girlfriend, so this is not out of the question.

Why is everyone so divisive these days? Has it become trendy to hate one another, dehumanize people, and insult rather than convince others to your viewpoints?

Yeah I'm sure working on that superb tolerance to fentanyl did wonders for his documented heart disease.

https://i.imgur.com/vuR3lE7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/DM3A5nT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1vJhIku.jpg

Stating obvious facts isn't racist or divisive.

Cities burned and small businesses were destroyed because the liberal media (in conjunction with retards on social media) turned George Floyd into a martyr.

The whole thing is ridiculous. He probably was chalked up as a Covid-19 fatality too. Gotta pump them numbers up and keep the sheep living in fear.

[this user was banned]

Yeah I'm sure working on that superb tolerance to fentanyl did wonders for his documented heart disease.

Stating obvious facts isn't racist or divisive.

Cities burned and small businesses were destroyed because the liberal media (in conjunction with retards on social media) turned George Floyd into a martyr.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

No, it isn’t racist, but the way people often present them can lead to heated arguments and personal attacks.

I appreciate your viewpoint and evidence here, I’d prefer you be a bit more civil about it.

I do have to agree with you about the media, but I find it’s just as bad on the conservative news outlets on TV and YouTube. The major problem, I feel, is that they feel they need to get people riled up, and combative, (because this gets views and money) rather than raise skepticism in a healthy manor and encourage healthy debate. This just leads to social media exacerbating the results of the news media. Especially Twitter. That format activity discourages debate due to disjointed short posts with too many branching conversations, ZERO moderation (outside of their terms of use), and worst of all, people actively filtering out what they disagree with by blocking others.

It’s amazing how much more closed minded and isolated we’ve become as we’ve expanded out potential to hear more viewpoints.

[hobart]

If you have to dig for excuses (autopsy, toxicology, irrelevant prior criminal history) after the fact to support why the police officer's conduct was acceptable, you should probably re-think your position and try not to let your racism and/or politics get in the way.

I don't know rather or not Floyd was technically murdered or not. Police who follow procedure get, essentially, a pass or every justifiable shooting would be a murder. I also don't know what procedure really is and I have hard time with punishing people who don't break the law no matter how immoral their behavior and attitudes are.

That said, if you're comfortable with cops treating people that way, you're a fucking idiot. I think some of you Trumptards believe your white skin and Trump flags protect you from that. It doesn't. That could have been you.

[Grakken]

If you have to dig for excuses (autopsy, toxicology, irrelevant prior criminal history)

uhh, this is a murder trial. Proving it was a suicide is literally the point ...


after the fact to support why the police officer's conduct was acceptable,


Chauvin literally used the move in their police training handbook.


you should probably re-think your position and try not to let your racism and/or politics get in the way.

Don't take lethal amounts of drugs, follow officer orders. Assuming the prior two are points that races struggle with is racism. Liberals keep being racist with the bar of low expectations for minorities. Stop it, its racist.


I also don't know what procedure really is

Watch the video, Chauvin followed procedure. Right in the manual. Pictures included.



That said, if you're comfortable with cops treating people that way, you're a fucking idiot.

Watch the real video, they were very patient with George for a long time. He refused to comply.


I think some of you Trumptards believe your white skin and Trump flags protect you from that. It doesn't. That could have been you.

Yeah we know, its not our skin or politics. Its that I don't do Drugs and I comply with lawful orders. Duck duck go Tony Timpa and you'll see a white guy die in police custody exactly like George Floyd.

[Toxigen]

If you have to dig for excuses (autopsy, toxicology, irrelevant prior criminal history) after the fact to support why the police officer's conduct was acceptable, you should probably re-think your position and try not to let your racism and/or politics get in the way.

I don't know rather or not Floyd was technically murdered or not. Police who follow procedure get, essentially, a pass or every justifiable shooting would be a murder. I also don't know what procedure really is and I have hard time with punishing people who don't break the law no matter how immoral their behavior and attitudes are.

That said, if you're comfortable with cops treating people that way, you're a fucking idiot. I think some of you Trumptards believe your white skin and Trump flags protect you from that. It doesn't. That could have been you.

Guy you're butt-chugging the media Kool Aid at this point.

Fortunately the judicial system is still ground in reality. You may not like it, but facts within toxicology and autopsy reports are used as evidence to prove innocence or guilt.

Floyd tried to use counterfeit money to purchase goods at a store, was in possession of illegal narcotics, was impaired on narcotics with intent to operate a vehicle, and resisted arrest. I'm not a cop or a lawyer, but last time I checked all of that was against the law.

You, Horza, and a couple others here are either trolls or have your heads shoved so far up your own ass you can't actually see things for what they are.

Chauvin walks. Cities burn. You'll support it like the good little non-thinker you are.

[Horza]

you're butt-chugging the media Kool Aid at this point

Conservative talking points have gotten weird.

[Cassawary]

Chauvin walks. Cities burn. You'll support it like the good little non-thinker you are.

That's why he shouldn't. I do think the forensics cast a shadow of doubt on the case, but Rome is worth one man's freedom.

[Toxigen]

That's why he shouldn't. I do think the forensics cast a shadow of doubt on the case, but Rome is worth one man's freedom.

Or, you know, people could just resist the temptation to destroy city municipalities and private property just because facts and truth upset them.

I often wonder what sort of discussions we could be having if people paid less attention to the very few cases of cops killing black men and focused more on the disgusting amounts of gun violence between citizens of US cities week in and week out.

But hey, we can't go there, because facts (in addition to mathematics, showing up on time, and coffee) are now racist and if you don't march in lock-step with BLM you're a white supremacist.

[Horza]

If only we paid less attention to people killing black men is something a person who isn't hugely racist would say.

[Cassawary]

Or, you know, people could just resist the temptation to destroy city municipalities and private property just because facts and truth upset them.

I often wonder what sort of discussions we could be having if people paid less attention to the very few cases of cops killing black men and focused more on the disgusting amounts of gun violence between citizens of US cities week in and week out.

But hey, we can't go there, because facts (in addition to mathematics, showing up on time, and coffee) are now racist and if you don't march in lock-step with BLM you're a white supremacist.

Wish in one hand, shit in the other. We are constrained by material (https://youtu.be/6p-lDYPR2P8) conditions.

[Snortles Chortles]

ah the good old “he wUZ on drugs and commitn petty CriMeS!!” so he deserved to die under custody meme (oh, well! LOL)

:rolleyes:

[Nirgon]

So the fent decided he deserved to die huh ok

Also - how exactly can you "render aid" as the hoagie paramedic that cried said she wanted to do, when someone is having a 3x more than needed dose to die and well into the final stages of it. Asphyxiation and trouble breathing, then resulting death is literally an opioid overdose. Those opioids get onto the receptors on the part of the brain that controls breathing, look it up.

That's a massive overdose, you cannot possibly render aid to someone in that condition, they are fuckin gone before anything can be done in time

[Snortles Chortles]

he may not have died without Judge Dredd tactics boot to the neck

i would rather see drug addicts get treatment instead of executed in our society
i wager a fair amount of fellow americans might agree

[Horza]

So the fent decided he deserved to die huh ok

Also - how exactly can you "render aid" as the hoagie paramedic that cried said she wanted to do, when someone is having a 3x more than needed dose to die and well into the final stages of it. Asphyxiation and trouble breathing, then resulting death is literally an opioid overdose. Those opioids get onto the receptors on the part of the brain that controls breathing, look it up.

That's a massive overdose, you cannot possibly render aid to someone in that condition, they are fuckin gone before anything can be done in time

Are you a medical doctor?

[Skarne]

Or, you know, people could just resist the temptation to destroy city municipalities and private property just because facts and truth upset them.

I often wonder what sort of discussions we could be having if people paid less attention to the very few cases of cops killing black men and focused more on the disgusting amounts of gun violence between citizens of US cities week in and week out.

But hey, we can't go there, because facts (in addition to mathematics, showing up on time, and coffee) are now racist and if you don't march in lock-step with BLM you're a white supremacist.

Lol your name matches your ideals

[Cassawary]

I'm curious what a hoagie paramedic is

Thanks p99

[DMN]

Your body can develop a tolerance which will allow for elevated levels in your system. He had a long history of drug use, as testified by his girlfriend, so this is not out of the question.

Why is everyone so divisive these days? Has it become trendy to hate one another, dehumanize people, and insult rather than convince others to your viewpoints?

That's not how "tolerance" works in opiods. You need more of it to obtain the same analgesic effects, but the many of the other physiological dangers of the drug remain at any given amount of it in your system, no matter your "tolerance" of the drug.

[Kaveh]

oops

https://i.imgur.com/6gw1hSG.png

known criminal and drug abuser dies of heart failure due to massive overdose while resisting arrest

not murder - sorry not sorry

George Floyd probably never made one correct decision in his life. You still can’t execute him on the street though. What if your kid, friend, whatever, went that route, and, God forbid, met the same end?

[Jibartik]

Has it become trendy to hate one another, dehumanize people, and insult rather than convince others to your viewpoints?

https://i.imgur.com/cebFVQK.gif

[Kaveh]

So the fent decided he deserved to die huh ok

Also - how exactly can you "render aid" as the hoagie paramedic that cried said she wanted to do, when someone is having a 3x more than needed dose to die and well into the final stages of it. Asphyxiation and trouble breathing, then resulting death is literally an opioid overdose. Those opioids get onto the receptors on the part of the brain that controls breathing, look it up.

That's a massive overdose, you cannot possibly render aid to someone in that condition, they are fuckin gone before anything can be done in time

What part did the knee on his neck play in his asphyxiation? I’m guessing it was nonzero

[DMN]

George Floyd probably never made one correct decision in his life. You still can’t execute him on the street though. What if your kid, friend, whatever, went that route, and, God forbid, met the same end?

What part did the knee on his neck play in his asphyxiation? I’m guessing it was nonzero



He wasn't executed. he had zero physicals evidence of any kind of traumatic asphyxiation. He died because he was a very ill person who ingested 3 times the amount of a drug needed to kill him. Zero evidence suggests anything contrary.

Fentanyl is actually a respiratory depressant if you weren't aware.

[Horza]

He wasn't executed. he had zero physicals evidence of any kind of traumatic asphyxiation. He died because he was a very ill person who ingested 3 times the amount of a drug needed to kill him. Zero evidence suggests anything contrary.

Fentanyl is actually a respiratory depressant if you weren't aware.

Another self-taught medical doctor?

[DMN]

Another self-taught medical doctor?

There is something called reading. You should try it.

[Jibartik]

This trail is making it painfully obvious to me that the real problem is the way the police were trained and the way they fear and feel about the public they are supposed to serve, and if you want to solve these problems we need to be putting the administration on trial, not the bad apples.

[Horza]

This trail is making it painfully obvious to me that the real problem is the way the police were trained and the way they fear and feel about the public they are supposed to serve, and if you want to solve these problems we need to be putting the administration on trial, not the bad apples.

Honestly, it makes no sense to continue increasing their budgets each and every year unless they at least attempt to deal with these issues.

[Gravydoo II]

lol these idiots think that 3mg of morphine will kill them. My neighbor took 200mg a day. You'd die from that. Some how, he lived. Every single day. Almost like he had a tolerance.

[Kaveh]

He wasn't executed. he had zero physicals evidence of any kind of traumatic asphyxiation. He died because he was a very ill person who ingested 3 times the amount of a drug needed to kill him. Zero evidence suggests anything contrary.

Fentanyl is actually a respiratory depressant if you weren't aware.

The knee played zero part in it then? If it’s even 0.1% of the cause of death, Chauvin answers to Jesus Christ for a violation of one of the Ten Commandments, period

[Cassawary]

Honestly, it makes no sense to continue increasing their budgets each and every year unless they at least attempt to deal with these issues.

Chain budget growth to population growth

[Jibartik]

Honestly, it makes no sense to continue increasing their budgets each and every year unless they at least attempt to deal with these issues.

well with 7 trillion in 1 year it's going to be hard not to lmao

[Gravydoo II]

What part did the knee on his neck play in his asphyxiation? I’m guessing it was nonzero

So if I was holding your kid down, knee on their neck, you'd just stand there like a bitch?? Or would you do something cause your kids life was in danger?? You'd be cool with that being done to your mother, father, children, and other family members?? Of course you would. As long as it was a white cop doing it, you'd take their side. lol

[Cassawary]

So if I was holding your kid down, knee on their neck, you'd just stand there like a bitch?? Or would you do something cause your kids life was in danger?? You'd be cool with that being done to your mother, father, children, and other family members?? Of course you would. As long as it was a white cop doing it, you'd take their side. lol

He's on your side here, relax redneck.

[Gravydoo II]

So the fent decided he deserved to die huh ok

Also - how exactly can you "render aid" as the hoagie paramedic that cried said she wanted to do, when someone is having a 3x more than needed dose to die and well into the final stages of it. Asphyxiation and trouble breathing, then resulting death is literally an opioid overdose. Those opioids get onto the receptors on the part of the brain that controls breathing, look it up.

That's a massive overdose, you cannot possibly render aid to someone in that condition, they are fuckin gone before anything can be done in time

Have you ever seen a person overdose on fentanyl?? Heroin? Roxies? Nope?

I have. They dont talk. They dont say they cant breathe. They dont look around. They dont say "I want my mom" or anything else. They just go limp, pass the fuck out, and thats that. Not 40 mins later, not 9 min 47 seconds later. Right then and there.

There is nothing in there. They are fucking gone, for all intensive purposes. Weird how people can take HUGE doses of heroin that would kill any other human, yet they can do it every single day. How can that be possible for them, the hundreds and thousands of them, yet not for him?? You know how overdoses occour?? People would quit dope for a few weeks, then go back. They take that big shot they were taking before they quit, then die cause their tolerance is down.

[Horza]

So if I was holding your kid down, knee on their neck, you'd just stand there like a bitch?? Or would you do something cause your kids life was in danger?? You'd be cool with that being done to your mother, father, children, and other family members?? Of course you would. As long as it was a white cop doing it, you'd take their side. lol

I like this guy's unhinged degree of hostility towards hypocritical conservatives.

[Jibartik]

well to be fair momma was his girlfriends pet name. I was like :shocked pikachu: when that was revealed live.

Not that it makes it OK but it's less like, bone chilling and visceral than it was for me before.

I also just want to say that I really hate how the fact that im not like "We should kill that cop no mater what the trial!" makes me seem like an alt-righter.

[Gravydoo II]

He's on your side here, relax redneck.

Treat him how he treats others, like shit.

[Jibartik]

but he's on your side

[Gravydoo II]

but he's on your side

lol, trust me, hes not on my side. He's not on anyones side but his own. He thinks hes getting a reward after he dies. Thats the only reason why hes not in prison for murdering gays and trans people. If that is my side, trade me.

[Kaveh]

Gravy you’re a nut job buddy, killing is not something a human being should do. It isn’t our call to take a life

As for treating others like shit, the fact that you think disagreeing with you politically means I “treat others like shit” means you take yourself and your views too seriously. Get a grip wacko

[magnetaress]

lol, trust me, hes not on my side. He's not on anyones side but his own. He thinks hes getting a reward after he dies. Thats the only reason why hes not in prison for murdering gays and trans people. If that is my side, trade me.

He is. Just not the real reward.

Heaven and Hell, in fact many afterlives exist. They are illusiory though and on a lower mode of being than we are now or could attain through enlightenment.

Gravy you’re a nut job buddy, killing is not something a human being should do. It isn’t our call to take a life

As for treating others like shit, the fact that you think disagreeing with you politically means I “treat others like shit” means you take yourself and your views too seriously. Get a grip wacko

Perhaps Kaveh is indeed on the path of enlightenment.

[Kaveh]

You guys are dumb, I don’t believe in heaven and hell. I just think Christianity is the major difference between the western world and the rest of this planet which is mostly devoid of human rights, democracy, and progress

I call em like I see them. I absolutely do believe Jesus was the best man to ever walk this earth though. Happy Good Friday!

[magnetaress]

You guys are dumb, I don’t believe in heaven and hell. I just think Christianity is the major difference between the western world and the rest of this planet which is mostly devoid of human rights, democracy, and progress

I call em like I see them. I absolutely do believe Jesus was the best man to ever walk this earth though. Happy Good Friday!

*cheers*

[Gravydoo II]

Gravy you’re a nut job buddy, killing is not something a human being should do. It isn’t our call to take a life

As for treating others like shit, the fact that you think disagreeing with you politically means I “treat others like shit” means you take yourself and your views too seriously. Get a grip wacko

So you've never attacked anyone here for decisions they made that have NOTHING to do with you?? You are the guy who worships an imaginary sky daddy/genocidal maniac and uses that belief to justify your hatred, yes?? That is what makes you a piece of shit. Dont you get it?? You being brown is just a coincidence.

[Kaveh]

What are you implying about me being brown? Also, how do you know who I hate? I am conservative and don’t want my taxes funding people who don’t make good decisions. I’m sorry if that seems like hatred to you

[Kaveh]

I’m also very handsome so maybe I just can’t know what it’s like to be you gravy, it’s been a good life even though I grew up poor

[Jibartik]

You gotta love being on the left, there is always someone in your fox hole ready to eviscerate you in the name of utopia once your side starts winning.

[DMN]

The knee played zero part in it then? If it’s even 0.1% of the cause of death, Chauvin answers to Jesus Christ for a violation of one of the Ten Commandments, period

Except that's not the commandment. The commandment is actually regarding murder. If you are going to do all this trollish preening as some chrstiophile, you should at least get the basics down first.

[Jibartik]

lmao kaveh professed on THIS PAGE what his feelings are on the Christian religion and 1. not only are they what will get him raptured but 2. not even close to a christophile or that he worships let alone believes in some.. how did gravy put it haha, "imaginary sky daddy/genocidal maniac"

:p

[Horza]

You gotta love being on the left, there is always someone in your fox hole ready to eviscerate you in the name of utopia once your side starts winning.

It is our way.

[Jibartik]

It is our way.

This is why there are no more mandolrians lol

[Kaveh]

Except that's not the commandment. The commandment is actually regarding murder. If you are going to do all this trollish preening as some chrstiophile, you should at least get the basics down first.

I think the Hebrew said kill? I confess I’m no expert on Hebrew, I just go with my man King James

Either way, I’m 95% sure even in my most pissed off state I don’t keep my knee on Floyd’s neck over $20. I also wouldn’t let career criminals run wild and be on welfare for decades, all of these people would be conscripted and installing solar panels and planting beautiful gardens like the ones at Susa, Pasargadae, and Parsa (Persepolis)

[DMN]

I think the Hebrew said kill? I confess I’m no expert on Hebrew, I just go with my man King James

Either way, I’m 95% sure even in my most pissed off state I don’t keep my knee on Floyd’s neck over $20. I also wouldn’t let career criminals run wild and be on welfare for decades, all of these people would be conscripted and installing solar panels and planting beautiful gardens like the ones at Susa, Parsargadae, and Parsa (Persepolis)

If the original commandment was about killing instead of murder, there would be no Christianity and we'd all be praying to Mecca five times a day. it's amazing how detached from history you are, despite your penchant for randomly babbling some random historical trivia.

He wasn't being held on the ground because of a fake 20 dollar bill. He was held on the ground because he resisted arrest several times, appeared to be having some kind of psychotic breakdown, and refused to get into the police car. Then he created a scene where the entire crowd gathering around him created an additional threat the police had to worry about.

you remind me of these dumb asses who say things like "Hur dur, why not just shoot the gun/knife out of his/her hand?"

[magnetaress]

Killing is bad and slows your journey to enlightenment and corrupts your mortal body. That's why the big Church (tm) can no longer perform miracles and they are really mad because of it.

Seek Christ.

[Jadian]

Gotta love all the self righteous racist morons who have clearly never been in a single physical altercation in their entire life and are entirely convinced their cognitive bias based on their conservative safe space bubble is objective reality.

[DMN]

https://i.imgur.com/MmoUPpk.jpg

[Tethler]

Not watching the trial and don't intend to. It isn't entertainment to be consumed.

Based on the actual videos of what went down, my non-expert opinion is that Floyd's death was accidental. Cop clearly killed him, but I'm pretty sure murder implies intent. He should face some kind of punishment for his actions, and I'd expect some form of manslaughter charge would be appropriate.

[Skarne]

Gotta love all the self righteous racist morons who have clearly never been in a single physical altercation in their entire life and are entirely convinced their cognitive bias based on their conservative safe space bubble is objective reality.

Well written

[Toxigen]

Whos ready for another summer of BLM riots in which private businesses and city municipal buildings are destroyed?

Peaceful protests in the name of Saint Floyd the Martyr whos murderer is found not guilty of said charge.

The liberal utopia, ladies and gentlemen.

[Raev]

I highly recommend Ryan Long's videos on CNN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iCGBPUdSNM) vs Fox (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiYZ__Ww02c). What you are watching is deliberate political theater designed to distract you while a certain group takes your civil liberties to save you from an illusionary virus and gives themselves trillions of dollars that they graciously allow you to work for under the guise of economic stimulus.

Any guesses as to the name of the group? Hint: it's a religious organization that starts with Je and ends with s. Another hint? Both Trump and Fauci went to their schools. And no, it doesn't rhyme with juice.

[Gwaihir]

I highly recommend Ryan Long's videos on CNN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iCGBPUdSNM) vs Fox (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiYZ__Ww02c). What you are watching is deliberate political theater designed to distract you while a certain group takes your civil liberties to save you from an illusionary virus and gives themselves trillions of dollars that they graciously allow you to work for under the guise of economic stimulus.

Any guesses as to the name of the group? Hint: it's a religious organization that starts with Je and ends with s. Another hint? Both Trump and Fauci went to their schools. And no, it doesn't rhyme with juice.
But it does rhyme with intuit

[Baler]

Whos ready for another summer of BLM riots in which private businesses and city municipal buildings are destroyed?

Peaceful protests in the name of Saint Floyd the Martyr whos murderer is found not guilty of said charge.

The liberal utopia, ladies and gentlemen.

It has not stopped in Portland, Oregon.

There are live streams of people "protesting" in Portland every night, if you know where to look.

---
Edit: Media doesn't talk about it because they're not supposed to, upon direct orders.
Instead the media is instructed to hype on and on about Jan 6th.

[Gwaihir]

It has not stopped in Portland, Oregon.

There are live streams of people "protesting" in Portland every night, if you know where to look.

---
Edit: Media doesn't talk about it because they're not supposed to, upon direct orders.
Instead the media is instructed to hype on and on about Jan 6th.

In Portland, "protesting" is virtually indistinguishable from getting spun out on drugs, and wandering the streets.

[Baler]

In Portland, "protesting" is virtually indistinguishable from getting spun out on drugs, and wandering the streets.

Oregon decriminalizes carrying small amounts of hard drugs

It checks out. lol

[Horza]

What you are watching is deliberate political theater designed to distract you while a certain group takes your civil liberties to save you from an illusionary virus and gives themselves trillions of dollars that they graciously allow you to work for under the guise of economic stimulus.

Any guesses as to the name of the group? Hint: it's a religious organization that starts with Je and ends with s. Another hint? Both Trump and Fauci went to their schools. And no, it doesn't rhyme with juice.

Antisemitism much?

[Cassawary]

Antisemitism much?

He means Jesuits. I don't know why.

Go Zags!

[Horza]

He means Jesuits. I don't know why.

Go Zags!

You're ruining my bit, but evangelicals have always hated Catholics.

[Jibartik]

He means Jesuits. I don't know why.

Go Zags!

lol

[DMN]

Man that fat heifer fire fighter was hilarious, she reminded me of that other fat heifer in the Zimmerman trial. She is on video calling the cops bitches and refused to acknowledge the crowd was growing increasing hostile or angry. Eventually her idiotic shenninagans the lead the judge to remove the jury so he could properly explain to her dumb ass what her role as witness actually is. And much like the Jabba the Hutt in the Zimmerman trial, the idiot lefties on the interwebs thinks she did a great job. ROFLMAO. Yes, impeachable testimony is great stuff.

[Kaveh]

He means Jesuits. I don't know why.

Go Zags!

Baylor

[Jibartik]

I cant believe how perfect that jesuits joke was.

[Kaveh]

I don’t understand the jesuits thing. Can someone explain? Are the jesuits and not Jews taking over America? I honestly thought it was the obese destroying our country

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/d3pxx5z.jpg

[Kaveh]

I don’t understand that meme lulz, can you explain why Raev is saying trump and fauci are jesuits

[Snortles Chortles]

i don't understand zoOMer humor either :confused:

[Cassawary]

The third panel found out the first panel was Spiderman and having sex with the second panel, Ironman

The fourth panel involves time travel

This is Islam

[Kaveh]

I’m even more confused now

Cmon UCLA

[Kaveh]

Bad call let it go to OT ref you idiot

Ball don’t lie

[Kaveh]

That was a great fucking game

[Snortles Chortles]

breaking forum larp character bud

[Kaveh]

I’m not larping, I like sports

[Horza]

I don’t understand the jesuits thing. Can someone explain? Are the jesuits and not Jews taking over America? I honestly thought it was the obese destroying our country

Which vulnerable group should I demonize to rally my political base?

[Kaveh]

Jesuits and Jews are vulnerable? Ok...

[Horza]

Americans have never discriminated against Catholics and Jews?

[magnetaress]

Which vulnerable group should I demonize to rally my political base?

Obese people aren't vulnerable they are brainwashed and exploited by big hospice and big food.

[Jibartik]

It honestly breaks my heart that they are trying to say these cops get adequate training and it was this individual cop that committed a murder (as he gets adequate training) just because they want to convict him, and dont want to change our law enforcement system.

IMO that police chief that said on the witness stand he thinks it was a murder (https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/05/us/derek-chauvin-trial-george-floyd-day-6/index.html) that is the guilty party for having a guy with 26 strikes on his record for use of force out on the streets under his watch.

How was he even given a badge? THAT is the problem.

https://i.imgur.com/jIQO8t5.png

[Baler]

https://i.imgur.com/jIQO8t5.png

I approve of this image.

[Toxigen]

Which city is going to burn first when Chauvin walks?

[magnetaress]

It honestly breaks my heart that they are trying to say these cops get adequate training and it was this individual cop that committed a murder (as he gets adequate training) just because they want to convict him, and dont want to change our law enforcement system.

IMO that police chief that said on the witness stand he thinks it was a murder (https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/05/us/derek-chauvin-trial-george-floyd-day-6/index.html) that is the guilty party for having a guy with 26 strikes on his record for use of force out on the streets under his watch.

How was he even given a badge? THAT is the problem.

https://i.imgur.com/jIQO8t5.png

It's not just cops. It's society in general. Honesty and integrity gets people shit on. Disqualified. Or is tooooo expensive. Or cuts into someone's luxury condo / boat / airplane / hookers budgets. Aka less employees or benefits. More statues and special retreats to Mexico.

[Tethler]

Which city is going to burn first when Chauvin walks?

I don't think he's gonna walk, but I would guess he's only gonna get a couple years tops.

[Kaveh]

Americans have never discriminated against Catholics and Jews?

So the Irish, the whitest people on earth, are also “vulnerable?” Also the word you’re looking for is marginalized

[Cassawary]

So the Irish, the whitest people on earth, are also “vulnerable?” Also the word you’re looking for is marginalized

https://i.imgur.com/9RHsE0l.jpg

[magnetaress]

Joe Biden - current President of the United States, 47th Vice President of the United States; mother was of Irish ancestry, father of partial Irish ancestry.

[Horza]

Catholics have a long history of being discriminated against in this country and having two presidents who were Catholic doesn't change that, kind of like how having a black president didn't end racism.

[Jibartik]

Whats the long history of discrimination against Catholics in this country?

[Horza]

How have you never even met an evangelical Christian? I guess it's not too hard when you never leave the house.

[Trexller]

kind of like how having a black president didn't end racism.

Yeah, it did.

Democrats, being the one trick pony that they are, you know, the same American Political Party who waged war upon real Americans in the name of slavery, you know, keeping black people in chains etc. That stuff.

They must now perpetuate a narrative of infinite perceived racism, in order to remain relevant on the political stage, lest voters remember that they themselves waged war because it was cheaper to whip blacks into picking your crops.

they will cry, piss and moan about it being the party of the past, or dixiecrats, or this is now the progressive party of the future. Make no mistake, this is politics, and your chickens don't come home to roost, they never left home.

remove your head from its ostrich hole and look around.

[Horza]

Yeah, it did.

Democrats, being the one trick pony that they are, you know, the same American Political Party who waged war upon real Americans in the name of slavery, you know, keeping black people in chains etc. That stuff.

They must now perpetuate a narrative of infinite perceived racism, in order to remain relevant on the political stage, lest voters remember that they themselves waged war because it was cheaper to whip blacks into picking your crops.

they will cry, piss and moan about it being the party of the past, or dixiecrats, or this is now the progressive party of the future. Make no mistake, this is politics, and your chickens don't come home to roost, they never left home.

remove your head from its ostrich hole and look around.

Sorry your guy lost.

[Cassawary]

Yeah, it did.

Democrats, being the one trick pony that they are, you know, the same American Political Party who waged war upon real Americans in the name of slavery, you know, keeping black people in chains etc. That stuff.

They must now perpetuate a narrative of infinite perceived racism, in order to remain relevant on the political stage, lest voters remember that they themselves waged war because it was cheaper to whip blacks into picking your crops.

they will cry, piss and moan about it being the party of the past, or dixiecrats, or this is now the progressive party of the future. Make no mistake, this is politics, and your chickens don't come home to roost, they never left home.

remove your head from its ostrich hole and look around.

Dennis truly is a menace

[Trexller]

Sorry your guy got out-cheated.

FTFY

[Trexller]

Dennis truly is a menace

I didnt mean to offend your avatar :eek:

[magnetaress]

How have you never even met an evangelical Christian? I guess it's not too hard when you never leave the house.

Does being mormon count as Evangelical or Catholic?

70% of the Baptist folk I've met, most of who'm are black and poor. Are the most decent human beings I know.

Get politics outa religion and go back to church. Or make your own.

Government institutions are killing people along side corporate greed and international corruption. The U.S.A. is one giant satanic death cult fixated on poisoning and indenturing the meek and generous.

[Horza]

Mormons are neither evangelical or Catholic.

[Tentarro]

If only we paid less attention to people killing black men is something a person who isn't hugely racist would say.

This is what I'm talking about when I call you out for your racism Horza.

You hate black people so much you only use them as a tool to push your narrative, you dont care that gang violence in Chicago causes the death of black teenagers/young adults at a terrible rate.

[Byue]

I wonder how dirty you feel like as republican.

All this hate.
All this ignorance.

ooof.
So happy I don't live in a third world shit hole where being killed by the police will yield discussion of your drug use.

[RecondoJoe]

im no lawyer but fentanyl should be illegal or some shit

that said waitin to see if somethin i didnt kno comes out

doubt it

Fentanyl is a miracle drug that is cleaning up the streets faster than Gary Ridgway.

[magnetaress]

I wonder how dirty you feel like as republican.

All this hate.
All this ignorance.

ooof.
So happy I don't live in a third world shit hole where being killed by the police will yield discussion of your drug use.

Would you prefer it be completely covered up and silenced like in the majority of the rest of the world?

Acknowledging there's no hero here and that what happened had less to do with race, more to do with drugs, poverty, and a violent culture is step #1.

[Jibartik]

Would you prefer it be completely covered up and silenced like in the majority of the rest of the world?

Acknowledging there's no hero here and that what happened had less to do with race, more to do with drugs, poverty, and a violent culture is step #1.

sounds like we got a nazi on our hands

dont you watch the trial? it was 1 bad apple in an otherwise perfect system.

[magnetaress]

sounds like we got a nazi on our hands

dont you watch the trial? it was 1 bad apple in an otherwise perfect system.

Dude. I live in FL. I know what fucked up and racism is.

It wasn't, and is not an isolated incident. ***Minorities*** are disproportionately affected because they are disproportionately poor and ramned straight through the criminal justice system, and mental institutions without health care or proper supervision of themselves or their families, often abuse and neglect survivors.

Expecting these people to pull themselves up out of their complete psychosis and terminal death spirals is both neglectful, intolerant, dehumanizing, and irresponsible.

And it's not because this guy was "black". It's because his daddy wasn't there for him and society said he had to be a badass and that he was powerless and a victim. He could have been black, Latin, Asian, a tranny, or a magat. It would have made no difference in this particular case.

[RecondoJoe]

Imagine thinking Florida is a state for white supremacy. When I was there I was the only person who didn't speak Spanish, and got called a gringo.

[Jibartik]

Did you know a house in America when your parents bought one was less than the yearly income of the average worker?

lol

Death spirals..

I hate to break it to ya

We all live in a death spiral now.

[Byue]

Imagine thinking Florida is a state for white supremacy. When I was there I was the only person who didn't speak Spanish, and got called a gringo.

everyone know racist wear ghost costumes and go by KKK and they burn crosses.

otherwise, not racist at all.

[magnetaress]

Imagine thinking Florida is a state for white supremacy. When I was there I was the only person who didn't speak Spanish, and got called a gringo.

It used to be different. Lol. It's not as bad now around here, but up north in Dade, Orange, yikes man.

[Horza]

Imagine thinking Florida is a state for white supremacy. When I was there I was the only person who didn't speak Spanish, and got called a gringo.

Ron DeSantis is famously hispanic.

[magnetaress]

Ron DeSantis is famously hispanic.

I thought he was Italian.

Honestly I don't give a fuck about anyone's ethnicity.

Did you know a house in America when your parents bought one was less than the yearly income of the average worker?

lol

Death spirals..

I hate to break it to ya

We all live in a death spiral now.

Well, I blame letting him out on the street without being clean and jobbed. The man was dead already. The cops were dumb shits for not treating him like a glass doll. At least they didn't pump him full of tasers or just stand there bashing his skull in with several battons, literally to kill him through a real beating, like 10 years ago.

THX 1138 style.

Manslaughter. 1-3 years.

I'm not a nazi. I genuinely care a great deal about George, his community, his family, and the suffering they could not survive. Maybe being black had some to do with that, but not his death. Being male had more to do with his death. The circumstances of his arrest had more to do with his death. We as a civilization, country, and people failed them all in a very real at the very least Christian sense. But it was way more than that.

[G13]

Catholics have a long history of being discriminated against in this country and having two presidents who were Catholic doesn't change that, kind of like how having a black president didn't end racism.

If Obama had a son he's look like George Floyd

[azeth]

Imagine thinking Florida is a state for white supremacy. When I was there I was the only person who didn't speak Spanish, and got called a gringo.

Because you're poor and you went to a poor part of Florida. Or Miami

[RecondoJoe]

https://i.imgur.com/1V7mVz5.jpg

The math checks out.

[Horza]

Today RecondoJoe learned about hispanic whites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans).

[Jibartik]

The problem with america isnt that there is a systematic problem.

its that in a thread about the Chauvin trial the people that live here start talking about Hispanic whites and religious oppression.

[Tentarro]

This is what I'm talking about when I call you out for your racism Horza.

You hate black people so much you only use them as a tool to push your narrative, you dont care that gang violence in Chicago causes the death of black teenagers/young adults at a terrible rate.

Horza replies to every thing I say like a good puppy until it's something he can't even touch without incriminating himself.

[Horza]

The problem with america isnt that there is a systematic problem.

its that in a thread about the Chauvin trial the people that live here start talking about Hispanic whites and religious oppression.

Can we get back to racist assumptions about hypothetical Obama sons?

[Jibartik]

dont click this link if you cant handle police shootings (https://youtu.be/LeYN4t1oJ2E)

If it's ok to deal with the above in the manner these officers dealt with it, then you're going to break eggs.

This woman didn't even pick up the knife and she was blasted 5 times.

It's not a bad apple, it. is. the. entire. system.

With a system like this, occasionally the training (that the defense clearly shown Chauvin partook in) will result in the death of someone.

We need to stop pretending that the only time that someone dies is because 1 racist cop and if we bag and tag em the system will be fine.

This isnt racism, it's a terrible law enforcement system.

https://i.imgur.com/4SDc0An.png

(at this moment the mentally I'll woman is bleeding out choking on the street)

[Kaveh]

I wonder how dirty you feel like as republican.

All this hate.
All this ignorance.

ooof.
So happy I don't live in a third world shit hole where being killed by the police will yield discussion of your drug use.

You live in a nonvoting satrapy of the United States. Canada policed Kandahar for over a decade. You didn’t get a choice, and you won’t have one in the future

I’d tell you to bend the knee but that is your default state of being

[Kaveh]

Dear Canadians, shut the fuck up and buy your F-35s

[Toxigen]

dont click this link if you cant handle police shootings (https://youtu.be/LeYN4t1oJ2E)

If it's ok to deal with the above in the manner these officers dealt with it, then you're going to break eggs.

This woman didn't even pick up the knife and she was blasted 5 times.

It's not a bad apple, it. is. the. entire. system.

With a system like this, occasionally the training (that the defense clearly shown Chauvin partook in) will result in the death of someone.

We need to stop pretending that the only time that someone dies is because 1 racist cop and if we bag and tag em the system will be fine.

This isnt racism, it's a terrible law enforcement system.

https://i.imgur.com/4SDc0An.png

(at this moment the mentally I'll woman is bleeding out choking on the street)

wtf are you talking about

the woman came out of the house wielding it and stabbed the female officer

play stupid games win stupid prizes

[Jibartik]

wtf are you talking about

the woman came out of the house wielding it and stabbed the female officer

play stupid games win stupid prizes

She dropped the knife, yes I know when you have 2 officers holding pistols while she stands there the only option seems like to shoot.

But that is because the steps the officers chose resulted in that being the only option.

Besides, it is irrelevant if you think its justifiable or not, because if these are the steps we take, then like I said: You're going to break eggs.

If you dont like breaking eggs then its time to stop listening to Toxigen when it comes to best practices for law enforcement.

"have mental illness or anxiety- get killed by police" is what your little play stupid games phrase should be.

[Tentarro]

This is what I'm talking about when I call you out for your racism Horza.

You hate black people so much you only use them as a tool to push your narrative, you dont care that gang violence in Chicago causes the death of black teenagers/young adults at a terrible rate.

Horza replies to every thing I say like a good puppy until it's something he can't even touch without incriminating himself.

Can we get back to racist assumptions about hypothetical Obama sons?

Leftists are disingenuous the post

[Cassawary]

Can we get back to racist assumptions about hypothetical Obama sons?

It's an Obama paraphrasing

[G13]

Can we get back to racist assumptions about hypothetical Obama sons?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rPO0QV97OI

[-TK-]

She dropped the knife, yes I know when you have 2 officers holding pistols while she stands there the only option seems like to shoot.

But that is because the steps the officers chose resulted in that being the only option.

Besides, it is irrelevant if you think its justifiable or not, because if these are the steps we take, then like I said: You're going to break eggs.

If you dont like breaking eggs then its time to stop listening to Toxigen when it comes to best practices for law enforcement.

"have mental illness or anxiety- get killed by police" is what your little play stupid games phrase should be.

Jib, you're really confusing me on this one. Are you saying you would have preferred a mental health/social worker knock on the door and get stabbed instead of the police officer? How would you feel if that officer or health worker got stabbed in the brachial artery (in their arm) and bled out on the sidewalk instead of the aggressor - maybe never realizing how badly they were injured due to the adrenaline? Oh well, part of the job? Good thing the murderer didn't die? Would you be here saying, man, this system works great!?

The life of that first responder is important, too. Policing is difficult work and variables can change quickly. It's not like getting stressed about a lunch rush at McDonalds when you're on the line or having your boss holding a deadline over your head at the office. This was a routine stop by this house to check on a roommate domestic disturbance, btw. The responding officer had no idea that this person had mental health issues as claimed by the mother. I'm willing to bend on some very questionable situations regarding mental health and police where they can at least engage with the subject, but this was not escalated by the police and looks to be a poor example of the bad in the system if you're trying to make the point that we need more mental health professionals in law enforcement and an overall different approach. They had no way of knowing if this person, who already proved to be a threat without provocation, had another knife or a gun so they had to be on the defensive and ready for the next attack. You can in hindsight say, oh well these officers should have..., but this situation could have also gone even more negative for the officers if we're doing 'oh, wells'.

Maybe I'm missing prior context from you. Provide some clarity here for me.

"have mental illness or anxiety- get killed by police" -- Literally no one is saying that as far as I can tell, but most people don't believe a mental illness should be an excuse for deadly behavior, either. I highly doubt those officers went home happy about the way that day went down.

[Jibartik]

hey lets have the same debate we both have had for 25 years of our lives with people online, but start at square one with each other again.

I have no desire to debate what you think is or isnt better.

I am simply saying: With this system you're going to kill people that dont need to die.

[magnetaress]

It's a well known, and even accepted fact in many circles. That our system of arrest and incarceration leads to uneccessary deaths and excessive injury and trauma.

I agree that it kills people. Sometimes innocent people. Sometimes crazy people who do not get due process and fair constitutional treatment. It disproportionately effects minorities and the poor who are more often living on the margins.

I also think we don't have to always kill these people and that it isn't a moral or ethical position to be ok with the deaths of these guys.

Especially when they deserve a fair and speedy trial. At the least.

[Tentarro]

hey lets have the same debate we both have had for 25 years of our lives with people online, but start at square one with each other again.

I have no desire to debate what you think is or isnt better.

I am simply saying: With this system you're going to kill people that dont need to die.

Easy fix:

Ruling about not having to protect and serve should be overturned, if you go into being a cop and don't understand you will face life or death situations, then hey that's on you.

Force local governments to accept responsibility and pay out damages for the actions of cops.

Bad cops will be fired, good cops will have protection.

[-TK-]

hey lets have the same debate we both have had for 25 years of our lives with people online, but start at square one with each other again.

I have no desire to debate what you think is or isnt better.

I am simply saying: With this system you're going to kill people that dont need to die.

The quintessential cop-out of a 'the system is broken' trope, rarely wanting to offer solutions or get into meaningful conversation with someone that doesn't deal in absolutes. It is very disappointing to encounter it so frequently. Why even bother posting 'examples' if you won't take the time to discuss it outside of one-liner generalizations with someone open to new information that just doesn't happen to be on the same starting line as you? Our country has enough people like this. I guess I didn't think you were one, but I'm wrong sometimes, too.

On top of that you leave us by saying "I am simply saying: With this system you're going to kill people that dont need to die." Well, tell us about the system where no one dies needlessly and how you can scale it up to 330+ million people in our country while respecting our constitution. I, for one, would love to hear about it. I'm not looking for anyone to die on either side of the police lines, but I'm also not naive enough to believe some situations aren't lose/lose from the start.

And just for your information, this is one of the very few forums I frequent and I don't usually engage in political/social/economic conversations online because I see it as mostly a futile effort between the trolls and arm-chair theorists. I'm blessed in the way that I have a diverse group of people in my life that allow me to see a lot of issues from wildly varying angles and walks of life so I'm not generally drawn to the internet to help form my thoughts. But even with that, some people are afraid to say what they really think in person, and I find it interesting to come here and find the viewpoints of those more willing to say what they really think about a topic no matter how crass, because I find that there is sometimes a glint of insight that finds its way through all the muck. Hell, even Mag and ImpKitten offer some insight into a world I don't fully understand if you read enough between the lines, and I find it mildly interesting and informative from time to time. It occasionally makes me think a little, but I surely don't get out of my chair thinking I understand their world from a few forum posts. I'll just make sure in the future not to make the mistake of trying to engage with you.

I will leave you with a better example for your cause, though. While it doesn't contain any shock-value graphic video, the story is more in line with where I think you were going. It's the story of Ricardo Muñoz. (https://khn.org/news/police-killing-mental-illness-emergency-crisis-care-pennsylvania/) The police at least knew it was a mental health call and he didn't stab someone right out the gate. An even better example for you would be Patrick Warren Sr. (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/23/us/patrick-warren-killeen-officer-shot-kill-video/index.html) from January of this year. Take your pick. Have a good evening.

[Horza]

Easy fix:

Ruling about not having to protect and serve should be overturned, if you go into being a cop and don't understand you will face life or death situations, then hey that's on you.

Force local governments to accept responsibility and pay out damages for the actions of cops.

Bad cops will be fired, good cops will have protection.

It sure is a good thing the Republicans dealt with these issues when they controlled every branch of the federal government.

[Byue]

on the left side, people whow ant change and a better tomorrow!

on the right side, a bunch of racists and a thin blue line crowd who storm capitols!

leggo!

[Cassawary]

It sure is a good thing the Republicans dealt with these issues when they controlled every branch of the federal government.

No, because it takes 60 to break a filibuster. Get rid of it and we become a kneejerk reactionary state like the UK.

[Jibartik]

The quintessential cop-out of a 'the system is broken' trope, rarely wanting to offer solutions or get into meaningful conversation with someone that doesn't deal in absolutes. It is very disappointing to encounter it so frequently. Why even bother posting 'examples' if you won't take the time to discuss it outside of one-liner generalizations with someone open to new information that just doesn't happen to be on the same starting line as you? Our country has enough people like this. I guess I didn't think you were one, but I'm wrong sometimes, too.

On top of that you leave us by saying "I am simply saying: With this system you're going to kill people that dont need to die." Well, tell us about the system where no one dies needlessly and how you can scale it up to 330+ million people in our country while respecting our constitution. I, for one, would love to hear about it. I'm not looking for anyone to die on either side of the police lines, but I'm also not naive enough to believe some situations aren't lose/lose from the start.

And just for your information, this is one of the very few forums I frequent and I don't usually engage in political/social/economic conversations online because I see it as mostly a futile effort between the trolls and arm-chair theorists. I'm blessed in the way that I have a diverse group of people in my life that allow me to see a lot of issues from wildly varying angles and walks of life so I'm not generally drawn to the internet to help form my thoughts. But even with that, some people are afraid to say what they really think in person, and I find it interesting to come here and find the viewpoints of those more willing to say what they really think about a topic no matter how crass, because I find that there is sometimes a glint of insight that finds its way through all the muck. Hell, even Mag and ImpKitten offer some insight into a world I don't fully understand if you read enough between the lines, and I find it mildly interesting and informative from time to time. It occasionally makes me think a little, but I surely don't get out of my chair thinking I understand their world from a few forum posts. I'll just make sure in the future not to make the mistake of trying to engage with you.

I will leave you with a better example for your cause, though. While it doesn't contain any shock-value graphic video, the story is more in line with where I think you were going. It's the story of Ricardo Muñoz. (https://khn.org/news/police-killing-mental-illness-emergency-crisis-care-pennsylvania/) The police at least knew it was a mental health call and he didn't stab someone right out the gate. An even better example for you would be Patrick Warren Sr. (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/23/us/patrick-warren-killeen-officer-shot-kill-video/index.html) from January of this year. Take your pick. Have a good evening.

just for your information, this is one of the very few forums I frequent and I don't usually engage in political/social/economic conversations online because I see it as mostly a futile effort between the trolls and arm-chair theorists. I'm blessed in the way that I have a diverse group of people in my life that allow me to see a lot of issues from wildly varying angles and walks of life so I'm not generally drawn to the internet to help form my thoughts. But even with that, some people are afraid to say what they really think in person, and I find it interesting to come here and find the viewpoints of those more willing to say what they really think about a topic no matter how crass, because I find that there is sometimes a glint of insight that finds its way through all the muck. Hell, even Mag and ImpKitten offer some insight into a world I don't fully understand if you read enough between the lines, and I find it mildly interesting and informative from time to time. It occasionally makes me think a little, but I surely don't get out of my chair thinking I understand their world from a few forum posts. I'll just make sure in the future not to make the mistake of trying to engage with you.

[Swish]

This is marginally better than a youtube comments (arguments) section.

[Cassawary]

This is marginally better than a youtube comments (arguments) section.

Longer posts at least.

We got some loquacious mfers in here.

[magnetaress]

Oh, sssh. My posts are excellent.

[Cassawary]

Oh, sssh. My posts are excellent.

They'd be a lot better if you pressed your elbows together. :cool:

[Toxigen]

Cops killed 25 unarmed black men in 2019.- (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/23/fact-check-how-many-unarmed-black-men-did-police-kill-2019/5322455002/)


From 7 p.m. Friday, May 29, through 5 a.m. Monday, June 1, 25 people were killed in the city, with another 85 wounded by gunfire, according to data maintained by the Chicago Sun-Times. (https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-deadliest-day-violence-murder-history-police-crime)

So, an entire years worth of unfortunate events with police and unarmed black men is one bad weekend in Chicago.

And this is our most pressing issue in the US? This is why all last summer private businesses and city municipalities were destroyed?

How can anyone possibly actually buy into this BLM horseshit?

[Kaveh]

While you’re right, the police still shouldn’t execute people using WWE moves on the street. Due process and all that bill of rights / constitution jazz

[Kaveh]

Jib, you're really confusing me on this one. Are you saying you would have preferred a mental health/social worker knock on the door and get stabbed instead of the police officer? How would you feel if that officer or health worker got stabbed in the brachial artery (in their arm) and bled out on the sidewalk instead of the aggressor - maybe never realizing how badly they were injured due to the adrenaline? Oh well, part of the job? Good thing the murderer didn't die? Would you be here saying, man, this system works great!?

The life of that first responder is important, too. Policing is difficult work and variables can change quickly. It's not like getting stressed about a lunch rush at McDonalds when you're on the line or having your boss holding a deadline over your head at the office. This was a routine stop by this house to check on a roommate domestic disturbance, btw. The responding officer had no idea that this person had mental health issues as claimed by the mother. I'm willing to bend on some very questionable situations regarding mental health and police where they can at least engage with the subject, but this was not escalated by the police and looks to be a poor example of the bad in the system if you're trying to make the point that we need more mental health professionals in law enforcement and an overall different approach. They had no way of knowing if this person, who already proved to be a threat without provocation, had another knife or a gun so they had to be on the defensive and ready for the next attack. You can in hindsight say, oh well these officers should have..., but this situation could have also gone even more negative for the officers if we're doing 'oh, wells'.

Maybe I'm missing prior context from you. Provide some clarity here for me.

"have mental illness or anxiety- get killed by police" -- Literally no one is saying that as far as I can tell, but most people don't believe a mental illness should be an excuse for deadly behavior, either. I highly doubt those officers went home happy about the way that day went down.

Mentally ill people shouldn’t be walking the streets. Nor the obese or the unemployed. Slavery that isn’t racially based needs to make a come back. Athens 2024

[Tentarro]

This is what I'm talking about when I call you out for your racism Horza.

You hate black people so much you only use them as a tool to push your narrative, you dont care that gang violence in Chicago causes the death of black teenagers/young adults at a terrible rate.

Horza replies to every thing I say like a good puppy until it's something he can't even touch without incriminating himself.

It sure is a good thing the Republicans dealt with these issues when they controlled every branch of the federal government.

The left is disingenuous the post

on the left side, people whow ant change and a better tomorrow!

on the right side, a bunch of racists and a thin blue line crowd who storm capitols!

leggo!

Typical that a Cucknadian doesn't know what a protest looks like.

Also: no one has been charged with sedition yet, so that blows your narrative out of the water.
Also: the left thinks so low of minorities that they believe an ID will restrict them from voting. So I don't see how they have a better tomorrow envisioned for people who they think so lowly of.

[Kaveh]

Canadians aren’t all that bad, the chick from the Vikings is Ukrainian Canadian. She’s fine as hell

Byue is French. French and Canadian? He didn’t stand a chance

[G13]

While you’re right, the police still shouldn’t execute people using WWE moves on the street. Due process and all that bill of rights / constitution jazz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g