Quest Levels

[Vellicon]

I was looking at the P99 wiki for class quests and have a question. The minimum levels listed for quests, d you have to be that level to start them or can you start them at any level wit the minimum level being a recommended level? Thanks.

[DMN]

Link the page in question. Your query is so vague it's unanswerable

[Vellicon]

https://wiki.project1999.com/The_Sword_of_Nobility_(Ghoulbane)

I was looking at the Ghoulbane quest and it shows a minimum level of 30. Is that the level required to start the quest or just a recommendation?

[Kavious]

Very few quests have level requirements (3-4 out of 1000+ quests). Majority of quests only have a faction check. The wiki minimum level is more of a recommended level to complete the quest

Temp Flux (https://wiki.project1999.com/Staff_of_Temperate_Flux_Quest) page has a good example, it lists recommended levels for solo or in a group

[DMN]

Given this is not a quest for an epic item, it's doubtful it has any level requirement.

[Vellicon]

Ok thanks

[Baler]

The wiki minimum level is more of a recommended level to complete the quest

I strongly dislike this about the wiki. I brought it up with a couple wiki admins and they think it's fine.

My compromise would be to change the word Minimum to Recommended.
Then any things like epics could be properly tagged with minimum level requirements, as they already are....

:mad:

[loramin]

I strongly dislike this about the wiki. I brought it up with a couple wiki admins and they think it's fine.

My compromise would be to change the word Minimum to Recommended.
Then any things like epics could be properly tagged with minimum level requirements, as they already are....

:mad:

I just looked into changing them, and ... it's not easy.

The problem is that most of the wiki uses templates ... but apparently the quests don't: each one has its own unique code. So that means each one needs to be fixed individually.

In theory they could all be converted to templates, and then it'd be easy to fix that one template, but again that would require a one-time fix to every quest in the wiki. So until someone (not me) wants to write the code to do that in an automated way ... the best you can do is edit the individual pages and change "Minimum" to "Recommended".

[torr071]

once you camp a ghoulbane I think you would agree level 30 is on the low end of requirement. you could get careless at 50 and get yourself killed in there. sword is no drop, or at least has been for a long while, originally it was tradeable, but that opened pandora's box so it was changed.

[loramin]

once you camp a ghoulbane I think you would agree level 30 is on the low end of requirement. you could get careless at 50 and get yourself killed in there. sword is no drop, or at least has been for a long while, originally it was tradeable, but that opened pandora's box so it was changed.

Anyone is welcome (and in fact encouraged) to click "Edit" at the top of the page and fix either the text ("Minimum" => "Recommended") or the actual level listed; the only requirement is that whatever change you make, it should make things more accurate. After all ...

... it's a wiki :D

[cd288]

Given this is not a quest for an epic item, it's doubtful it has any level requirement.

I think he means like what level you’d need to be to kill mobs and complete the quest yourself. The wiki minimum to my understanding is the minimum level you’d probably need to be to camp any drops etc that you’d need

[alucca]

You'll have fun with levels from the io series venge io (https://vengeio.online/) Try it and it won't let you down

[Yrzep]

Could someone who has access to the db not do a simple mysql find/replace for or is the wiki flat file?

! ''' Minimum Level: '''

to

! ''' Recommended Level: '''

[Baler]

Could someone who has access to the db not do a simple mysql find/replace for or is the wiki flat file?

! ''' Minimum Level: '''

to

! ''' Recommended Level: '''

HAHAHA you think anyone on p99 is capable of doing a very easy and simple DB replace.
You must be new around here. (this has been the solution to several issues but never seems to get used)

[Yrzep]

Should anyone be interested: https://www.mysqltutorial.org/mysql-string-replace-function.aspx

[loramin]

Could someone who has access to the db not do a simple mysql find/replace for or is the wiki flat file?

! ''' Minimum Level: '''

to

! ''' Recommended Level: '''

There are only two people I'm aware of with access to the actual wiki computer (and who therefore can access it's database directly, instead of through the MediaWiki software): Rogean and Ravhin. Neither has any desire to do this.

Rogean (obviously) has bigger fish to fry, and Ravhin doesn't even play here anymore (we very briefly coaxed him out of retirement to get the Green/Teal auction trackers in the wiki, but that's the last I've heard from him). In theory one of them could give me access, and I could run the necessary SQL ... but A) vetting me/giving access is still more work for them, and B) software like Media Wiki often doesn't store data in nice/clean tables. Instead, because they have to keep track of each change over time (so they can be rolled back and such), changing a page is a lot messier than just a single UPDATE on a (normal) table.

Thus, even if Rogean was willing to waste time AND trust me (or another dev) with access, there's still no guarantee that this would be a quick fix. The real solution is to do what I did with the fashion categories ... ie. write a script that uses the MediaWiki API to change each page, individually. I already have the access to do that ... but writing such a script is a lot of work (plus you have to test it VERY carefully, to make sure you don't accidentally destroy part of the wiki in the process). The fashion categories were a lot of effort, and I just don't have it in me to do it again for something this minor.

But if anyone out there is a dev who's comfortable working with APIs, and you do care enough ... write a script, test it (and tell me how you tested it ... eg. you might want to setup your own MediaWiki "dev instance"), and then I could potentially run that script for you. And if you are a Javascript dev, I can even send you the scripts I used to do the fashion categories as a jumping off point.

P.S. I'm not exaggerating at all when I say that it might well be faster for one motivated individual to edit/fix each quest page "by hand", than it would be for a developer to write/test/run a mass script. Especially if I were to write a "bookmarklet" to do it for them (so they just had to edit each page, click the bookmarklet, and click save). If anyone has the time/energy to do that for every quest page ... let me know.

[Baler]

aka does any php programmer want a full time job with no pay?
Contact rogean via the petition section of the forums.

I've given loramin some grief lately but he has done a lot for the p99 wiki and deserves praise. Especially for coming back time after time.

(i'm dropping the ball on writing that template and changing ever quest page)
anyone could do this work entirely however and contact loramin to get it finalized.

[Snortles Chortles]

fungi tunics for everybody