Georgia voting law change

[Evia]

I stay out of politics as much as possible, but this one came to my attention because MLB is taking the All-Star game out of Atlanta this year. I thought it was a covid concern but upon googling and researching it seems to be a response to what many view as a racist or discrimination change to the voting laws in the state of Georgia.

Reading through the law, and keeping a neutral opinion, I'm failing to see how this bill is racist or discriminate? It seems like it's only requiring a photo ID or driver's license number for voters and wouldn't that be to ensure voting accuracy and integrity? Also read about how they're stricter on the type of voting locations (no rv type places) but I am not finding anything that seems racist. It was odd that they make it illegal to give food and drink to voters in line...that was the only eyebrow raising thing I read about.

Someone help me understand what the fuss is about?

[BlackBellamy]

If a person wearing a Vote Democrat t-shirt gives you a Milky Way, that can be construed as campaigning, which is not allowed at polling places.

[Baler]

Voting should require an usa ID, for example a drivers license as proof that you are an American citizen and are who you say you are.

It's illegal to tell people who to vote for in a voting line. This is similar to giving people food/drinks in a voting line.

[G13]

If a person wearing a Vote Democrat t-shirt gives you a Milky Way, that can be construed as campaigning, which is not allowed at polling places.

It's not illegal to eat and drink in a voting line either

[Baler]

It's not illegal to eat and drink in a voting line either

Gr8 bring your own snacks then.

[loramin]

You guys are completely ignoring the context and history of what Georgia has done to black voters.

[Baler]

You guys are completely ignoring the context and history of what Georgia has done to black voters. If you just look at the law in complete isolation, it looks sorta kinda reasonable, as it was designed to look.

But if you look at it in the long context of Georgia doing everything it can to suppress black votes ... and this law coming right after Georgia voted for a Democratic president ... it's blatantly part of that long history of voter suppression.

Just as a for instance, there is zero need for an ID to vote. We do not have a problem with people voting as other people (our system is designed to handle it already), and tons of studies show as much. The only reason the ID requirement was added is because the lawmakers knew people without legal IDs were disproportionately black: they knew that adding that vote would make it more difficult for legitimate black adult voters to vote.

I'm not paying reparations for something I didn't do. fuck that.

Let's look to moving forwards as humans and solving problems. Not dwelling on the past, Note I didn't say we can't learn from the past.

You find me part of the present day bill/law that equates to the black voter suppression of the past and then you'll have an argument.

Edit: Have you read the actual bill or are you just going off what some news outlet is telling you?

[loramin]

I'm not paying reparations for something I didn't do. fuck that.

Translation: I'm going to completely ignore all of human history prior to what I remember, and pretend the world has always been an equally happy place for everyone. That's how I like to make my moral judgements, on critical issues like who is allowed to participate in our democracy.

Edit: Have you read the actual bill or are you just going off what some news outlet is telling you?

Have you actually read the entire bill?

[Evia]

Isn't it technically stereotyping, or maybe even racist, to assume that those without legal ID are primarily black? Where is this conclusion drawn from?

Seems like a reach to me to pull up Georgia's history of racism
This bill and Georgia's history in regards to slavery seem unrelated. Still failing to see the reasoning for the drastic outcry from many, including mlb, in regards to this bill. I feel like people are trying to make everything a race issue these days and idk why?

[Baler]

Translation: I'm going to completely ignore all of human history prior to what I remember, and pretend the world has always been an equally happy place for everyone. That's how I make my moral judgements on critical issues like how is allowed to participate in our democracy.
I think you're letting your emotions get control of this one.
In my post I included.
Note I didn't say we can't learn from the past.

Have you actually read the entire bill?
Answering my question with a question. :rolleyes:

Isn't it technically stereotyping, or maybe even racist, to assume that those without legal ID are primarily black? Where is this conclusion drawn from?

Yes, Yes it is.
But i'm sure the news outlets went down to the georgia DMV, USPS and state capital to verify the ethnicity of each Georgia citizen who has a valid ID in 2021.
They would never sensationally spit out non-founded information to get people upset. *wink*

[loramin]

Isn't it technically stereotyping, or maybe even racist, to assume that those without legal ID are primarily black? Where is this conclusion drawn from?

Countless sources; here's just one:

According to a 2020 report on voter suppression from the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University Law School, 25% of Black voting-age citizens nationally did not have a current government-issued photo ID, compared to 8% of white voting-age citizens.

And then it links to https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/new-voter-suppression for the details, which helpfully explains:

Take strict voter ID.

These laws require voters to present a government-issued photo ID in order to vote, and they offer no meaningful fallback options for people who do not possess one of these IDs. Like their Jim Crow predecessors, strict voter ID laws are often defended by reference to a racially neutral need to defend the “integrity” of elections. Specifically, defenders claim that voter ID laws are needed to combat voter impersonation fraud. But study after study has shown that voter impersonation fraud is vanishingly rare.

Many also claim that these laws impose little burden because everyone has the requisite ID — but the reality is that millions of Americans don’t, and they are disproportionately people of color.

[Baler]

Countless sources; here's just one:



https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/new-voter-suppression

Note it doesn't say that legal aged black citizens in 2020 were unable to get legal ID.

Back after slavery, blacks were having trouble getting any form of valid legal ID. That's just not the case now.

If a 21 year old has to be responsible enough to have an ID to buy booze. Then why is it so different than having someone who is 18 have an ID to vote?

If people aren't getting a valid ID, it's their own damn fault in 2021.

[loramin]

Note it doesn't say that legal aged black citizens in 2020 were unable to get legal ID.

Back after slavery, blacks were having trouble getting any form of valid legal ID. That's just not the case now.

If a 21 year old has to be responsible enough to have an ID to buy booze. Then why is it so different than having someone who is 18 have an ID to vote?

If people aren't getting a valid ID, it's their own damn fault in 2021.

Again with the "let's not live in reality" argument. Again, the reality is simple: whether you like it or not A) IDs do (in practice/effectively) nothing to ensure fair elections, B) they absolutely disenfranchise black voters disproportionately, C) they are part of a VERY LONG history of racist voting laws in Georgia.

Look, if you want to sway me with a logical argument, just provide evidence the above is false. Show me any neutral third-party party that says "yes we legitimately need voter IDs to protect our elections". Or show me any neutral party with evidence that blacks do have IDs at similar rates as whites. Or show me a credible historian who won't tell me Georgia's history is chock full of racist voter suppression laws.

[Baler]

Again with the "let's not live in reality" argument. Again, the reality is simple: whether you like it or not A) IDs do (in practice/effectively) nothing to ensure fair elections, B) they absolutely disenfranchise black voters disproportionately, C) they are part of a VERY LONG history of racist voting laws in Georgia.

I AM living in reality.

They need to get their ass out of the house and go apply for a valid ID.
Which any American citizen can do regardless of what color their skin is.

[G13]

Countless sources; here's just one:



And then it links to https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/new-voter-suppression for the details, which helpfully explains:

You don't need an ID to prove voting eligibility

A utility bill for example is perfectly acceptable

[loramin]

You don't need an ID to prove voting eligibility

A utility bill for example is perfectly acceptable

"This 100% unnecessary thing we're doing, that just happens to make it so less blacks can vote in Georgia ... a state with a long and dark history of preventing its black citizens from voting ... is totally fair and not racist. Making people do unnecessary things is more important than ensuring your fellow black citizen gets to participate in our democracy."

You know, I think I've heard this before:

"Anyone can read, and anyone who can't shouldn't be voting, so we'll just block any black voters from voting unless they pass this literacy test (which we'll just forget to give to white voters)".

I repeat:

Look, if you want to sway me with a logical argument, just provide evidence the above is false. Show me any neutral third-party party that says "yes we legitimately need voter IDs to protect our elections". Or show me any neutral party with evidence that blacks do have IDs at similar rates as whites. Or show me a credible historian who won't tell me Georgia's history is chock full of racist voter suppression laws.

[Baler]

Loramin prove me wrong that any American citizen can get a valid ID.

[loramin]

Loramin prove me wrong that any American citizen can get a valid ID.

It's not about whether they can or not, it's about whether it's necessary to protect our democracy. Every American (except disabled ones) can get into good enough physical shape to do ten push-ups also ...

... BUT WE DON'T HAVE A TEN PUSH-UP REQUIREMENT TO VOTE!

We don't have any requirements to vote, unless they are necessary to protect our democracy, because anything more than that will be used to disenfranchise people ... you know ... just like they've been doing in Georgia for centuries (and it's the entire reason we passed the historic Civil Rights act!)

So again:

Look, if you want to sway me with a logical argument, just provide evidence the above is false. Show me any neutral third-party party that says "yes we legitimately need voter IDs to protect our elections". Or show me any neutral party with evidence that blacks do have IDs at similar rates as whites. Or show me a credible historian who won't tell me Georgia's history is chock full of racist voter suppression laws.

If you can't do that, and you're still arguing for this law, you're choosing to live in a fantasy land.

[G13]

"This 100% unnecessary thing we're doing, that just happens to make it so less blacks can vote in Georgia ... a state with a long and dark history of preventing its black citizens from voting ... is totally fair and not racist. Making people do unnecessary things is more important than ensuring your fellow black citizen gets to participate in our democracy."

You're dodging and I'm not taking that emotional bait

Going by your logic, every prior election (including Potato's stea ... ERRR "win") last election is invalid because roaricms or something



Even a Birth Certificate is perfectly valid

Are those racist too?

[Baler]

It's not about whether they can or not, it's about whether it's necessary to protect our democracy. Every American (except disabled ones) can get into good enough physical shape to do ten push-ups also ...

... BUT WE DON'T HAVE A TEN PUSH-UP REQUIREMENT TO VOTE!

We don't have any requirements to vote, unless they are necessary to protect our democracy, because anything more than that will be used to disenfranchise people ... you know ... just like they've been doing in Georgia for centuries (and it's the entire reason we passed the historic Civil Rights act!)

You're repeating yourself a lot and avoiding what I'm saying.

It was an issue in the past, yes.
It's no longer an issue of today.

Any American citizen can obtain valid identification and be able to vote.

[loramin]

I refuse to engage with people that won't live in reality ... except to (probably futilely) try and get them to live in reality.

The fact that you two just keep coming at me with nonsense ... but neither of you can refute any of the three points I gave you ... is a tacit acknowledgement that you recognize the logical correctness of my argument.

[Baler]

I refuse to engage with people that won't live in reality ... except to (probably futilely) try and get them to live in reality.

The fact that you two just keep coming at me with nonsense ... but neither of you can refute any of the three points I gave you ... is a tacit acknowledgement that I'm right.

Why do you believe that black American citizens are unable to obtain valid identification in 2021?

You want non-sense?

[G13]

I refuse to engage with people that won't live in reality ... except to (probably futilely) try and get them to live in reality.

You don't have an argument that much is clear


This is the problem with emotional lefties. They've become lazy and believe that if they just call something racist, that ends the discussion. Maybe you don't realize it, but trying to equate a perfectly sensible voting law like this to "Jim Crow on Steroids" waters down the real struggle blacks went through in this country back then. You're devaluing their experiences and I'm sure if they were alive today they would feel the same way

Proof of Citizenship to be eligible to vote is not racism. It's common sense. Otherwise every election cycle they'll just fill out millions of ballots cast by Mickey Mouse, stuff it in a ballot box and call it a day

[Cassawary]

PAPERS PLZ

e: mandatory ID constitutes an unlawful search

[loramin]

Why do you believe that black American citizens are unable to obtain valid identification in 2021?

For the same reason all Americans are unable to get into shape to do ten push-ups.

You don't have an argument that much is clear

Yeah, nothing at all clear about the argument that neither of you have been able to answer for more than a page now ...

whether you like it or not A) IDs do (in practice/effectively) nothing to ensure fair elections, B) they absolutely disenfranchise black voters disproportionately, C) they are part of a VERY LONG history of racist voting laws in Georgia.

Look, if you want to sway me with a logical argument, just provide evidence the above is false. Show me any neutral third-party party that says "yes we legitimately need voter IDs to protect our elections". Or show me any neutral party with evidence that blacks do have IDs at similar rates as whites. Or show me a credible historian who won't tell me Georgia's history is chock full of racist voter suppression laws.

But by all means, please keep bringing up unrelated tangential arguments, which show you have nothing to say to the thing I keep repeating over and over. It really shows the strength of your oh-so-democratic position.

[Trexller]

For the same reason all Americans are unable to get into shape to do ten push-ups.

Is that really the hill you wanna die on?

You are equating obtaining valid ID to push ups?

Baler is right, anyone, including people of color have the same access to a govt ID as anyone else, if they don't pursue this, it is their fault.

POC get mortgages, they are employed, they purchase cars and then drive them on public roads, just like the rest of us.

all of those things require ID, so it would seem that they already have one.

[Raev]

For the same reason all Americans are unable to get into shape to do ten push-ups.
Please keep your racism in California (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW2LpFkVfYk).

In any case, it's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes. If voting actually mattered, they wouldn't let you do it.

[Baler]

For the same reason all Americans are unable to get into shape to do ten push-ups.

You just stereotyped Americans.

[Cassawary]

Baler is right, anyone, including people of color have the same access to a govt ID as anyone else, if they don't pursue this, it is their fault.

Where in the Constitution does it say you must pay a fee to exercise your rights?

[G13]

Yeah, nothing at all clear about the argument that neither of you have been able to answer for more than a page now ...



But by all means, please keep bringing up unrelated tangential arguments, which show you have nothing to say to the thing I keep repeating over and over. It really shows the strength of your oh-so-democratic position.

Hilarious Projection

whether you like it or not A) IDs do (in practice/effectively) nothing to ensure fair elections, B) they absolutely disenfranchise black voters disproportionately, C) they are part of a VERY LONG history of racist voting laws in Georgia.

Look, if you want to sway me with a logical argument, just provide evidence the above is false. Show me any neutral third-party party that says "yes we legitimately need voter IDs to protect our elections". Or show me any neutral party with evidence that blacks do have IDs at similar rates as whites. Or show me a credible historian who won't tell me Georgia's history is chock full of racist voter suppression laws.

If IDs didn't ensure fair elections why the push back against them with such extreme rhetoric

How can anyone possibly sway you with logic? You're purely emotional and lazy. You actually believe if you just call something racist that settles it

You're being very patronizing and racist towards blacks by assuming they don't want election integrity. Going by your logic, when a black person attempts to buy a beer and has to show ID he's being "disenfranchised".



I have a challenge for you that I'm 100% sure you will fail

Make your case against showing proof of voting eligibility without conjuring up racism and Jim Crow. You won't even try. I'm sure of it.

[loramin]

If IDs didn't ensure fair elections why the push back against them with such extreme rhetoric

Ok, if that's true then ...

Show me any neutral third-party party that says "yes we legitimately need voter IDs to protect our elections".

Going by your logic, when a black person attempts to buy a beer and has to show ID he's being "disenfranchised".

Wow, why am I not surprised that you don't even understand what that word means.

[G13]

Wow, why am I not surprised that you don't even understand what that word means.

Dodge noted

You are incapable of rational thought

[Trexller]

Where in the Constitution does it say you must pay a fee to exercise your rights?

States don't have to charge, they just do, you know, because taxes.

[Cassawary]

States don't have to charge, they just do, you know, because taxes.

My federal right to vote can be stripped by a state poll tax?

Thanks p99 🤓

[loramin]

Dodge noted

You are incapable of rational thought

In an argument about voting you wrote:

Going by your logic, when a black person attempts to buy a beer and has to show ID he's being "disenfranchised".

Let's review what that word means, according to Mirriam-Webster ...

: deprived of some right, privilege, or immunity
especially : deprived of the right to vote

So yeah, equating black people's ability to participate in our democracy (something they've been systematically denied the right to do for centuries) to someone unable to buy a beer without ID: that clearly shows you understand the issues here :rolleyes:

[Baler]

My federal right to vote can be stripped by a state poll tax?

Thanks p99 ��

Constitutional Right*

If you have a problem with being taxed by your local, state & federal government. That's a whole other topic.
To conclude your derailing, There are free forms of identification.

It doesn't matter what ethnicity or skin color you have. An american citizen is able to obtain valid identification. If they choose to go the route of paying $10-20 for it that is their free choice to do so.

[G13]

My federal right to vote can be stripped by a state poll tax?

Thanks p99 🤓

You don't need an ID from the DMV

You understand this right?

[G13]

In an argument about voting you wrote:Let's review what that word means, according to Mirriam-Webster ...


You self owned and you don't even realize it

[Baler]

You don't need an ID from the DMV

You understand this right?

I don't think they get that. Hopefully my response to them inspires them to seek out what is classified as identification. So they can find the free option that best fits their lifestyle.

[loramin]

I'm going to go do something productive with my life, but I'll leave this out here:

Look, if you want to sway me with a logical argument, just provide evidence the above is false. Show me any neutral third-party party that says "yes we legitimately need voter IDs to protect our elections". Or show me any neutral party with evidence that blacks do have IDs at similar rates as whites. Or show me a credible historian who won't tell me Georgia's history is chock full of racist voter suppression laws.

If you can't refute any of my three points, then you effectively agree with me. It's like if I give you three points that prove the world's round (eg. "we can see it from space that it's round"), and you keep coming at me with "but look if it was round blah blah crazy flat earth conspiracy".

It doesn't matter what conspiracy nonsense you spout: either you have something to actually dispute the photos from space ... or the world isn't flat. And similarly here, either you have something to dispute any of the three facts I stated ... or you are tacitly acknowledging that the law is one of a long line of racist Georgia laws designed to disenfranchise black voters.

Post all you want, but if it's not a logical response to the points I made, I'm not answering it.

[Cassawary]

You don't need an ID from the DMV

You understand this right?

Entirely irrelevant

[Yinein]

As a person of color I had no issues getting an ID, Hope that helps.

[G13]

Entirely irrelevant

Really?

In order to vote in this country you need to be a citizen


How do you prove that?

[Cassawary]

Really?

In order to vote in this country you need to be a citizen


How do you prove that?

Stick to the money angle or argue with someone else.

[G13]

**tucks tail between legs and runs**

Fixed

[Rader]

It is not hard to get a F in ID

But lets assume it is. Then change the F in rules so it isn't hard. NOT change the rules so some one can ballot harvest, mass print fraudulent ballots, etc. without providing proof of identity.

[G13]

It doesn't matter what conspiracy nonsense you spout: either you have something to actually dispute the photos from space ... or the world isn't flat. And similarly here, either you have something to dispute any of the three facts I stated ... or you are tacitly acknowledging that the law is one of a long line of racist Georgia laws designed to disenfranchise black voters.

Post all you want, but if it's not a logical response to the points I made, I'm not answering it.

Nobody cares

You haven't provided any facts

You came in here, called something racist and then couldn't handle it when called out on your BS

BYE

[GinnasP99]

I fully support a 10 push up requirement to vote.

[Baler]

I fully support a 10 push up requirement to vote.

https://i.imgur.com/28uk16d.gif

[Horza]

Really?

In order to vote in this country you need to be a citizen


How do you prove that?

I thought Republicans cared about constitutional rights, guess I was wrong.

[G13]

I thought Republicans cared about constitutional rights, guess I was wrong.

Mickey Mouse has Constitutional Rights?

Who knew?

[Horza]

Mickey Mouse has Constitutional Rights?

Who knew?

I should have known the only rights conservatives care about are their own.

[G13]

I should have known the only rights conservatives care about are their own.

Pathetic response

It's you though, so par for the course

[bubur]

Yesterday I went to the ford dealer to get a key cut and they told me I need the registration, and an ID, AND I needed to look like the person in the ID. It took me 20 minutes to drive there and they didn't even care

I've been oppressed and it fuckin stings so I basically totally understand

[Horza]

I didn't realize a Ford motor vehicle is a constitutional right.

[bubur]

et tu? something something about security procedures, blah blah, literally racists everywhere I'm going to fkn proootest

[G13]

I didn't realize a Ford motor vehicle is a constitutional right.

Are you claiming ID isn't a requirement to exercise Constitutional Rights?

WTF point are you trying to make? Oh that's right. You don't have one. Just more pointless quips that make no sense

Just to save you the trouble because I understand logical thinking is difficult for you and Loramin, when you purchase a gun what is required

[azeth]

The Georgia voter law changes are an example of something that makes my fellow snowflake liberal Democrats look pathetic. As stated, I am a leftist liberal communist however that doesn't change the fact that requiring an ID to vote is the single most logical thing regarding ensuring election integrity.

beyond that I don't care to Google to find the hyperlink, but there have been many scholarly studies, not influenced by any political party that indicate that minorities are as likely to turn up at polling places to vote whether or not an ID is required

[Horza]

WTF point are you trying to make? Oh that's right. You don't have one. Just more pointless quips that make no sense

Just to save you the trouble because I understand logical thinking is difficult for you and Loramin, when you purchase a gun what is required

I'll dumb it down for you, laws tailored specifically to disenfranchise voters who scare Republicans because of their skin color are illegal.

[azeth]

I'll dumb it down for you, laws tailored specifically to disenfranchise voters who scare Republicans because of their skin color are illegal.

Sorry man, that's just not accurate. Democrats need to back away from this argument because it's diminishing the integrity of every other valid argument

[Horza]

Sorry man, that's just not accurate. Democrats need to back away from this argument because it's diminishing the integrity of every other valid argument

If someone on the internet said it then it must be true.

[Nocht]

Sorry man, that's just not accurate. Democrats need to back away from this argument because it's diminishing the integrity of every other valid argument

They've never heard the story about the boy that cried wolf.

[Cassawary]

If someone on the internet said it then it must be true.

Brunchies aren't as liberal as they think

[Jibartik]

lol is brunchies slang for upper class lefities that eat brunch a lot?

[Baler]

Brunchies aren't as liberal as they think

I remember when liberals use to push the boundaries of what was okay to say and do.

Now you're not liberal enough unless you try to censor everyone you disagree with.
:rolleyes:

imagine a liberal telling another liberal they're not liberal enough. just fucking lol. what is the world coming to.

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/zg8QwUQ.png

[G13]

I'll dumb it down for you, laws tailored specifically to disenfranchise voters who scare Republicans because of their skin color are illegal.

Even your fellow commies are calling out your BS

Keep grasping at straws though. Maybe you'll even convince someone that The Nation Of Islam is a Right Wing Terrorist Organization

[DMN]

I should have known the only rights conservatives care about are their own.

Where exactly in the constitution does it say anyone is assured a right to vote?( news flash for your public edjewkayshun, it's not in there) The only protections in the constitution simply prohibit some very specific things from being used to prevent one from voting, but does not enshrine voting itself as a right.

[Horza]

Where exactly in the constitution does it say anyone is assured a right to vote?( news flash for your public edjewkayshun, it's not in there) The only protections in the constitution simply prohibit some very specific things from being used to prevent one from voting.

15th Amendment.

[Cassawary]

lol is brunchies slang for upper class lefities that eat brunch a lot?

I think so. First time using it. Pretty good 👍

[DMN]

15th Amendment.

You should actually read it. It only prohibits discrimination on voting for specific things, and, I repeat, does not enshrine voting as a right.

[G13]

15th Amendment.

By citing that you just nuked your own claim "Republicans don't care about Constitutional Rights"

Nice job

[Horza]

You should actually read it. It only prohibits discrimination on voting for specific things, and, I repeat, does not enshrine voting as a right.

I never said it did and we were talking about legislating racial discrimination before you Kramered into the conversation.

[G13]

I never said it did and we were talking about legislating racial discrimination before you Kramered into the conversation.

How is it racial discrimination when the vast majority of blacks support voter ID laws

[Horza]

How is it racial discrimination when the vast majority of blacks support voter ID laws

21 million Americans don't have government-issued photo ID.

[G13]

21 million Americans don't have government-issued photo ID.

A government issued photo ID isn't required to be able to vote

Proof of citizenship however, IS

The only people calling this bill racist are lilly white liberals who think they speak for all black people which is about as racist and patronizing as it gets

[Rader]

21 million Americans don't have government-issued photo ID.

boo hoo

[Horza]

A government issued photo ID isn't required to be able to vote

Proof of citizenship however, IS

The only people calling this bill racist are lilly white liberals who think they speak for all black people which is about as racist and patronizing as it gets

States with the strictest laws (Indiana, Georgia, Tennessee, Kansas, Mississippi, North Dakota, Wisconsin, and Texas) require people to have photo IDs issued by governments.

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/zg8QwUQ.png

[Jibartik]

I think so. First time using it. Pretty good 👍

Yeah nailed it, they are definitely not lol

[G13]

States with the strictest laws (Indiana, Georgia, Tennessee, Kansas, Mississippi, North Dakota, Wisconsin, and Texas) require people to have photo IDs issued by governments.

In person or absentee by mail?

[DMN]

The whole idocy of ID being some kind onerous feat is so absurd. There are many millions of rural voters who have travel long distances in order vote, and the cost of that travel would far exceed any voter Id.

Of course modern libo-fascists aren't really interested everyone's "voting rights" only the voting rights of people who generally support their party, so they ignore these folks much like ignore everything else counter to their idiotic narratives.

[G13]

The whole idocy of ID being some kind onerous feat is so absurd. There are many millions of rural voters who have travel long distances in order vote, and the cost of that travel would far exceed any voter Id.

Of course modern libo-fascists aren't really interested everyone's "voting rights" only the voting rights of people who generally support their party, so they ignore these folks much like ignore everything else counter to their idiotic narratives.

You can get a voter photo ID in Georgia for FREE

[Baler]

You can get a voter photo ID in Georgia for FREE

Stop destroying their impenetrable barriers! ;)

[Cassawary]

Stop destroying their impenetrable barriers! ;)

Da, Politburo issue free papers for checkpoint, Comrade. Now make bribe.

[Jibartik]

The whole idocy of ID being some kind onerous feat is so absurd. There are many millions of rural voters who have travel long distances in order vote, and the cost of that travel would far exceed any voter Id.

Never heard this touché before. This is a good point!

[magnetaress]

Back when I worked I never got to vote :(

It should be done digitally off the NSAs homepage with a one time use NFT.

[mcoy]

For those saying "anyone can get a voter ID"; take a look at the requirements:

https://dds.georgia.gov/voter-id

There are several options listed:


An original or certified document to prove WHO YOU ARE such as a Birth Certificate or Passport.
Your SOCIAL SECURITY CARD.
Two documents showing your RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS such as a Bank Statement or Utility Bill.
If you've had a NAME CHANGE, then you'll also need to bring a document to prove that, such as a Marriage License.
Signed Affidavit.
Evidence that you are a registered voter.


Additionally, here are the hours of the "Customer Service Locations" that you are required to visit to obtain this ID:

Sunday - Monday: Closed
Tuesday - Friday: 08:00 am - 06:00 pm
Saturday: 08:00 am - 12:00 pm

A good percentage of people, who would otherwise be eligible to vote, will not be able to meet all of these requirements.

-Mcoy

[magnetaress]

Would laugh if that backfired on Republicans. U need a fare bit of documentation to be on welfare and disability, plus court documentation.

[Trexller]

A good percentage of people, who would otherwise be eligible to vote, will not be able to meet all of these requirements.

-Mcoy

Why not?

I would wager that any person legally residing in the USA can furnish one or more of those documents, or in the very rare case the citizen is unable, could find the time to obtain one or more of those documents. Provided that they really want to.

a little personal responsibility goes a long way

-Trex

[DMN]

For those saying "anyone can get a voter ID"; take a look at the requirements:


Your SOCIAL SECURITY CARD.


Getting a copy of your social security card is free and easy.


Sunday - Monday: Closed
Tuesday - Friday: 08:00 am - 06:00 pm
Saturday: 08:00 am - 12:00 pm

A good percentage of people, who would otherwise be eligible to vote, will not be able to meet all of these requirements.

-Mcoy

8 am to 12 pm even on a weekend?

Your entire post completely refutes the argument you are trying to present.

[magnetaress]

Papers are for Nazi credibility. Otherwise you're just a schmuck.

[hobart]

Read the transcript from the recent supreme court case...

It is in the interest of Republicans to make voting more difficult. It is in the interest of Democrats to make it easier. And that's where everyone falls on the issue. The rest of the posturing is just that. Posturing.

[DMN]

It is in the interest of Republicans to eliminate voter fraud. It is in the interest of Democrats to make it easier. The rest of the posturing is just that. Posturing.

FTFY.

[G13]

Read the transcript from the recent supreme court case...

It is in the interest of Republicans to make voting more difficult. It is in the interest of Democrats to make it easier. And that's where everyone falls on the issue. The rest of the posturing is just that. Posturing.

Wrong

This is all just a bait and switch. None of this has anything to do with black voters


It has everything to do with what's going on at Biden's southern border right now


Wake Up

[magnetaress]

Read the transcript from the recent supreme court case...

It is in the interest of Republicans to make voting more difficult. It is in the interest of Democrats to make it easier. And that's where everyone falls on the issue. The rest of the posturing is just that. Posturing.

I believe that's what other people believe but I also believe it's not necessarily absolutely true.

[Horza]

Wrong

This is all just a bait and switch. None of this has anything to do with black voters


It has everything to do with what's going on at Biden's southern border right now


Wake Up

https://i.imgur.com/PlGm5zq.jpg

[Cassawary]

Papers are for Nazi credibility. Otherwise you're just a schmuck.

[hobart]

I wonder what happened to my party. Then I read how stupid and ill-informed its voters are today and it all makes sense.

There is close enough to no election fraud to say there's no election fraud. It is statistically insignificant.

There's also nothing going on at the border that hasn't been going on through every presidency since Clinton/GWB when the government started outsourcing its duty to for-profit corporations. Accountability may vary from administration to administration, but it's all the same cluster fuck.

[G13]

I wonder what happened to my party. Then I read how stupid and ill-informed its voters are today and it all makes sense.

There is close enough to no election fraud to say there's no election fraud. It is statistically insignificant.

There's also nothing going on at the border that hasn't been going on through every presidency since Clinton/GWB when the government started outsourcing it's duty to for-profit corporations. Accountability may vary from administration to administration, but it's all the same cluster fuck.

Wrong

Wrong

Wrong

[hobart]

OAN and Glenn Beck have commoditized you to your own stupidity.

The 4+ year attempt to walk Occam's razor of stupidity and conspiracy theories by establishment republicans should be your first clue. They need just enough of you to win, but they hate it when you send your fellow idiots to Congress.

[G13]

OAN and Glenn Beck have commoditized you to your own stupidity.

The 4+ year attempt to walk Occam's razor of stupidity and conspiracy theories by establishment republicans should be your first clue. They need just enough of you to win, but they hate it when you send your fellow idiots to Congress.

Blah Blah Blah

You sound like Horza (He's given up and is meme mode now)


More proof you're just a poseur

[Horza]

Blah Blah Blah

You sound like Horza (He's given up and is meme mode now)


More proof you're just a poseur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Fuxkinhug

[G13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Fuxkinhug

HERP DERP

Your problem is you can't pretend to be a normal rational person when you play the account juggling game

Was a valiant effort though

[RecondoJoe]

It's weird how much the Left has changed.

I voted Democrat when I was younger. I genuinely felt like Al Gore was cheated out of the election, and still do. John Kerry led the polls by about 20% and no one I knew was voting for George Bush. After those two elections, I came to the conclusion, along with many other liberal voters my age that the elections were rigged and unfair.

It's weird how following 4 years of hearing the left say that Russians hacked the election, they're now opposed to election security.

And honestly voter ID isn't even a big deal. Most places already require voter ID, and they should. The only person who disagrees with this rule obviously wants to cheat.

[hobart]

The Russians didn't hack the election. They attempted to influence our stupid electorate. Rather or not that changed the outcome, who knows? In either case, stupidity isn't against the law nor is believing dumb shit that is too dumb for a rational human to believe.

Voter ID is a huge deal. It's not meant for election integrity because election fraud doesn't happen to a degree that warrants anything more than we currently do. It's meant to target the most lazy and irresponsible among us which happens to be part of the democratic base.

[RecondoJoe]

It's not meant for election integrity because election fraud doesn't happen to a degree that warrants anything more than we currently do. .

Not sure if you're serious right now, but if you have 6 months of early voting, and no VOTER ID is required, why wouldn't you vote numerous times during an election cycle? Trust me, I thought about doing it myself, especially since we all had to wear COVID 19 masks anyways, and my real identity was masked... but guess what? Can't do that where I live BECAUSE the entire state requires VOTER ID. As do the majority of states, including the one Joe Biden is from... lol.

[G13]

Not sure if you're serious right now, but if you have 6 months of early voting, and no VOTER ID is required, why wouldn't you vote numerous times during an election cycle? Trust me, I thought about doing it myself, especially since we all had to wear COVID 19 masks anyways, and my real identity was masked... but guess what? Can't do that where I live BECAUSE the entire state requires VOTER ID. As do the majority of states, including the one Joe Biden is from... lol.

If a state requires voter ID it will make voting more difficult for all the illegal aliens pouring into the country right now from Meh Hee Coh

Don't kid yourself. That's what all this is really about. Democrats don't care about free and fair elections.

[Cassawary]

Not sure if you're serious right now, but if you have 6 months of early voting, and no VOTER ID is required, why wouldn't you vote numerous times during an election cycle? Trust me, I thought about doing it myself, especially since we all had to wear COVID 19 masks anyways, and my real identity was masked... but guess what? Can't do that where I live BECAUSE the entire state requires VOTER ID. As do the majority of states, including the one Joe Biden is from... lol.

Mandatory federal IDs are absolutely haram

[hobart]

Michael Carvin's arguments before the Supreme Court. You were given the answer.

I'm going to assume the attorney paid for by the Republican party to stand in front of the Supreme Court is right and you morons aren't.

[Horza]

Meh Hee Coh

Is this necessary or do all of your posts just need an extra dash of racism?

[Snortles Chortles]

IDs iZ raciS

[Horza]

If making fun of the way foreigners speak isn't racist then what is?

[Snortles Chortles]

not that i agree with his stance, but his in jest spelling is phonetically accurate

[G13]

Is this necessary or do all of your posts just need an extra dash of racism?

Only took you 11 pages to call someone racist

A new record

[Horza]

Only took you 11 pages to call someone racist

A new record

Mocking the way the largest U.S. minority talks is a sign you may be a bigot.

[G13]

Mocking the way the largest U.S. minority talks is a sign you may be a bigot.

You just can't help yourself

Sad and pathetic

[Trexller]

Mocking the way the largest U.S. minority talks is a sign you may be a bigot.

Native mexicans do pronounce the name of their country as "meh-hee-co"

It is us who pronounce it wrong.

So to pronounce it correctly would be considered respectful of those who speak spanish and hail from mexico.

In suggesting mockery, you have announced that you feel their pronunciation to be incorrect, as an affront to your ears.

Who is a bigot?

[Horza]

I'm sure the guy who claims that Trump only lost because of conservative fever dreams about illegal immigrants committing large-scale voter fraud has the deepest respect for our southern neighbors.

[Jibartik]

https://youtu.be/ZIZrD2HDtaE

is this racism?

[G13]

I'm sure the guy who claims that Trump only lost because of conservative fever dreams about illegal immigrants committing large-scale voter fraud has the deepest respect for our southern neighbors.

Trump had the border under control

All the fraud that carried Potato over the finish line was domestic

[Horza]

Trump had the border under control

All the fraud that carried Potato over the finish line was domestic

What fraud?

[Cassawary]

Trump had the border under control

Denying asylum is a bad no-no since the war. Catch up.

[Kaveh]

Denying asylum is a no-no since the war. Catch up.

Biden is caging and deporting children. We just don’t have an honest media apparatus. Obama was to the right of Bush on immigration. Biden is the same BIGLY

[Kaveh]

Mocking the way the largest U.S. minority talks is a sign you may be a bigot.

Sheeeitttt

[Cassawary]

Biden is caging and deporting children. We just don’t have an honest media apparatus. Obama was to the right of Bush on immigration. Biden is the same BIGLY

Deporting?

[Kaveh]

They are sending them back across ports of entry. I guess that isn’t technically deporting? But yes, once people have crossed they are being sent back, even minors

[G13]

What fraud?

Your comment has me laughing

I forgot you only watch CNN, read Vox/Huffpo and rely on Twitter to pretend to be informed

[Kaveh]

Trump lost the election fair and square

Maybe don’t spend $6 trillion on the unemployed and real conservatives like me wouldn’t have flipped to Biden

SAD

[Kaveh]

The unemployed should have their fillings taken and sold for people who actually work

Kaveh 2024

[branamil]

It's always funny when people just look 2 inches onto the surface of an issue and go, "Hmm, I don't see the problem!"

There is a reason it's being pushed so hard by the GOP. Do you really think they would fight so hard for it if it would cause black voter ranks to swell? Now they have no incentive to guarantee that all citizens have the same easy access to DMV and to obtain a driver's license. You'll see that more DMVs are in affluent white suburbs and with lower wait times. For many wage workers, sitting 4 hours in the line for the DMV comes straight out of their pocketbook and they're incentivized to stay home, or not put up the effort. The only way this could not be construed as racist is if the very same law guaranteed all state citizens had equal access to the DMV and ensured there were no undue hardships to get a license, register to vote, or other unequal affects of its passing.

[G13]

It's always funny when people just look 2 inches onto the surface of an issue and go, "Hmm, I don't see the problem!"

There is a reason it's being pushed so hard by the GOP. Do you really think they would fight so hard for it if it would cause black voter ranks to swell? Now they have no incentive to guarantee that all citizens have the same easy access to DMV and to obtain a driver's license. You'll see that more DMVs are in affluent white suburbs and with lower wait times. For many wage workers, sitting 4 hours in the line for the DMV comes straight out of their pocketbook and they're incentivized to stay home, or not put up the effort. The only way this could not be construed as racist is if the very same law guaranteed all state citizens had equal access to the DMV and ensured there were no undue hardships to get a license, register to vote, or other unequal affects of its passing.

The majority of minorities (including blacks) support voter ID laws

Try again

[Cassawary]

They are sending them back across ports of entry. I guess that isn’t technically deporting? But yes, once people have crossed they are being sent back, even minors

And this is "to the right" of Trump, who wouldn't let them in at all?

Asylum hearings can go either way

[G13]

Trump lost the election fair and square

Maybe don’t spend $6 trillion on the unemployed and real conservatives like me wouldn’t have flipped to Biden

SAD

Trump won in a landslide

[Kaveh]

And this is "to the right" of Trump, who wouldn't let them in at all?

Asylum hearings can go either way

I said to the right of Bush I thought? My stance on illegal immigration is well known, I’m just saying Biden is going to be breaking a lot of “dreamers” hearts and useful idiots like Horza won’t say anything about white supremacy since it isn’t a (R)

Trump won in a landslide

The elections are sanctioned by Jupiter Capitolinus. Calling into question our elections is religious sacrilege and treason.

[G13]

The elections are sanctioned by Jupiter Capitolinus. Calling into question our elections is religious sacrilege and treason.

You know Potato didn't get 80 million legit votes

Even Horza isn't stupid enough to believe that

[DMN]

You know Potato didn't get 80 million legit votes

Even Horza isn't stupid enough to believe that

Uhh, that is Horza.

[Kaveh]

I voted for him and I never vote Democratic

Trump was really really bad dude, I’m sorry you don’t see that $6 trillion in debt is unacceptable

[DMN]

I voted for him and I never vote Democratic

Trump was really really bad dude, I’m sorry you don’t see that $6 trillion in debt is unacceptable

Yes, horza, china joe is gonna make everything all right.

[Horza]

Breaking News: Trump alienated just about every voting bloc other than white men.

[Cassawary]

I said to the right of Bush I thought? My stance on illegal immigration is well known, I’m just saying Biden is going to be breaking a lot of “dreamers” hearts and useful idiots like Horza won’t say anything about white supremacy since it isn’t a (R)


Hehe yea I tried to pull a sneaky on ya. But I'd rather hear them out before kicking them out.

That's the rule in fact.

[Rader]

For those saying "anyone can get a voter ID"; take a look at the requirements:

https://dds.georgia.gov/voter-id

There are several options listed:


An original or certified document to prove WHO YOU ARE such as a Birth Certificate or Passport.
Your SOCIAL SECURITY CARD.
Two documents showing your RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS such as a Bank Statement or Utility Bill.
If you've had a NAME CHANGE, then you'll also need to bring a document to prove that, such as a Marriage License.
Signed Affidavit.
Evidence that you are a registered voter.


Additionally, here are the hours of the "Customer Service Locations" that you are required to visit to obtain this ID:

Sunday - Monday: Closed
Tuesday - Friday: 08:00 am - 06:00 pm
Saturday: 08:00 am - 12:00 pm

A good percentage of people, who would otherwise be eligible to vote, will not be able to meet all of these requirements.

-Mcoy

Then fix these issues. Why the heck is the lib response to just throw out ID requirements and allow all sorts of voter fraud instead? Maybe because that gives you guys an opening to screw with the results? Naaaaaaaaaaaaa LOL

[Kaveh]

Breaking News: Trump alienated just about every voting bloc other than white men.

White men were the only group that shifted towards Biden in 2020

You really are brainwashed as bad as these rednecks dude. I’ve never met a pro Biden Mexican and I live in Houston

[Horza]

What's a swing state? :confused:

[G13]

Breaking News: Trump alienated just about every voting bloc other than white men.

Even a casual glance at the numbers proves your statement is BS that is easily refutable

You have to be the most ignorant waste of humanity on Planet Earth

[G13]

I voted for him and I never vote Democratic

Trump was really really bad dude, I’m sorry you don’t see that $6 trillion in debt is unacceptable

Trump was really really good dude

You're making this too easy

First, Trump received 10 million more votes than he did in 2016. He received a larger percentage of the black and hispanic vote than any Republican over the last 50 years, so there goes that assertion

I don't understand your concerns regarding the debt. What took Trump 4 years to accumulate Potato has managed to pull off in about 6 weeks

If you really voted for Potato doesn't that make you feel stupid?

Hmm, maybe you are dumber than Horza which I didn't think was possible

[Kaveh]

There are two parties, one is supposed to care about the debt, responsibility, the United States, patriotism, etc

So they tell me anyway. But it seems like they’re all a bunch of frat boy dickheads like Matt Gaetz who actually do a worse job at governing than democrats do. I just call em like I see them. Trump is and was an embarrassment

[Cassawary]

I don't understand your concerns regarding the debt. What took Trump 4 years to accumulate Potato has managed to pull off in about 6 weeks


This is extremely retarded

[G13]

There are two parties, one is supposed to care about the debt, responsibility, the United States, patriotism, etc

So they tell me anyway. But it seems like they’re all a bunch of frat boy dickheads like Matt Gaetz who actually do a worse job at governing than democrats do. I just call em like I see them. Trump is and was an embarrassment

Trump was one of the greatest Presidents of all time

Again, you're dancing around the issue. If the national debt was your concern why were you stupid enough to vote for Potato Biden

[Kaveh]

Because failures don’t get two terms

[G13]

Because failures don’t get two terms

He won in a landslide though

Maybe you're not understanding the question. I'll ask in a different way.

If the debt was your main concern why did you vote for a feeble, senile old man

[Horza]

He won in a landslide though

Maybe you're not understanding the question. I'll ask in a different way.

If the debt was your main concern why did you vote for a feeble, senile old man

Everyone who matters disagrees with you.

[Tentarro]

Again with the "let's not live in reality" argument. Again, the reality is simple: whether you like it or not A) IDs do (in practice/effectively) nothing to ensure fair elections, B) they absolutely disenfranchise black voters disproportionately, C) they are part of a VERY LONG history of racist voting laws in Georgia.

Look, if you want to sway me with a logical argument, just provide evidence the above is false. Show me any neutral third-party party that says "yes we legitimately need voter IDs to protect our elections". Or show me any neutral party with evidence that blacks do have IDs at similar rates as whites. Or show me a credible historian who won't tell me Georgia's history is chock full of racist voter suppression laws.

Why are you insulting black people by saying they're incapable of doing something as simple as getting a state ID?

[Tentarro]

For those saying "anyone can get a voter ID"; take a look at the requirements:

https://dds.georgia.gov/voter-id

There are several options listed:


An original or certified document to prove WHO YOU ARE such as a Birth Certificate or Passport.
Your SOCIAL SECURITY CARD.
Two documents showing your RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS such as a Bank Statement or Utility Bill.
If you've had a NAME CHANGE, then you'll also need to bring a document to prove that, such as a Marriage License.
Signed Affidavit.
Evidence that you are a registered voter.


Additionally, here are the hours of the "Customer Service Locations" that you are required to visit to obtain this ID:

Sunday - Monday: Closed
Tuesday - Friday: 08:00 am - 06:00 pm
Saturday: 08:00 am - 12:00 pm

A good percentage of people, who would otherwise be eligible to vote, will not be able to meet all of these requirements.

-Mcoy

This post is a flat out lie and posturing, he's trying to make it sound like you HAVE to get a voter ID, while intentionally hiding the truth.

Those are only to get a FREEEEEEEEE VOTER ID, not ACCEPTABLE FORMS OF ID TO VOTE.



What IDs Are Acceptable?
Any valid state or federal government-issued photo ID, including a free ID Card issued by your county registrar's office or the Georgia Department of Driver Services (DDS)
A Georgia Driver's License, even if expired
Valid employee photo ID from any branch, department, agency, or entity of the U.S. Government, Georgia, or any county, municipality, board, authority or other entity of this state
Valid U.S. passport ID
Valid U.S. military photo ID
Valid tribal photo ID


Maybe stop trying to fucking lie, dawg.

[Kaveh]

trump is unemployed

[G13]

Everyone who matters disagrees with you.

Yea, that's why there's been such a massive effort to censor any information contrary to the fake news CNN narrative

Like you've ever mattered - Hilarious

trump is unemployed

He's doing great and I'm going to laugh when he runs again and wins

[Horza]

He's doing great and he's going to keep doing great for the next thousand years.

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/7uqIPQJ.jpg

[Kaveh]

trump is unemployed

[Gravydoo II]

lol remember when trump lost after he got 9999999 bajillion votes and only illegal immigrants on welfare voted for joe biden? lol
remember when only illegals got 25k each for their stimulus?

[Cassawary]

lol remember when trump lost after he got 9999999 bajillion votes and only illegal immigrants on welfare voted for joe biden? lol
remember when only illegals got 25k each for their stimulus?

illegals is a dumb word for dumb people.

refugees, or in the new parlance, asylum seekers - absolutely do get government payments

Wall dumb

[Jimjam]

Not cool to suggest ‘illegal’ and ‘asylum seeker’ are interchangeable.

[Horza]

How are we supposed to identify the outgroup without slurs?

[Tentarro]

How are we supposed to identify the outgroup without slurs?

Is calling someone an illegal alien a slur now? How sensitive are you?

[Jimjam]

Is calling someone an illegal alien a slur now? How sensitive are you?

I don't think calling someone an illegal alien is necessarily a slur, if that is what they are. It is a slur, though to falsely delegitimise a person's claim to succour.

[RecondoJoe]

I don't think calling someone an illegal alien is necessarily a slur, if that is what they are. It is a slur, though to falsely delegitimise a person's claim to succour.

Only in America though, right? Like Canada has way harsher immigration laws, and a ton of legislation known as birthright that prevents immigrants from ever gaining access to basic needs like healthcare.

[Jimjam]

Only in America though, right? Like Canada has way harsher immigration laws, and a ton of legislation known as birthright that prevents immigrants from ever gaining access to basic needs like healthcare.

That is clearly not the TLDR of what I said. You really need to find a new forum persona gimmick.

I don’t think even you are entertained by this one.

[magnetaress]

The GoP is clearly facing a popularity shortage in GA, being jerks about water & candybars with moves designed literally for the worst press optics is sure to remedy this.

Tbh they could have done a photo id voter thing with a lot better optics. And a bit more straight forward legislation with less food words.

[FatherSioux]

Requiring ID to vote being sold as racist is without merit. This thread is too long and full of brainwashed liberals incapable of critical thought.

Also that Columbo guy is too into Trump.

[Toxigen]

Let me summarize the last 17 pages:

If you are against voter ID laws, you're part of the problem.

[Gravydoo II]

Todd herman said on the radio as a matter of fact that illegal immigrants get 25k each for a stimulus package for breaking the law. Dont ask me, ask Todd Herman. He's the one that told me it was true. Are you saying hes not an honest actor and was lying to everyone?

If you dont have a car, you dont have a drivers license. If you live in a large city and use public transport, you dont have a drivers license. Voter ID is racist because the numbers plainly show that minorities and poor people are effected in a severe way. You can watch the elections from year to year and see the numbers go down after voter ID is put in place. Usually its in response to democrats winning, too much, not "fraud".

Funny how there have only been like 14 cases of actual voter fraud in the past 30 years but we NEED voter ID sooooo badly. Nobody does that with ANYTHING. So if you get one counterfeit dollar, you have to check every single dollar and check IDs, afterwards?? No, you dont. This has happened to you and you still dont check every single dollar you get from the bank with your little grease pen. Why would this standard apply to voting? Nothing works like that. Nothing.

Can you name even ONE thing where the response to 1:1000000000 is every single one must now be checked, every single person must show ID for this RIGHT? Just one thing, anything. What justifies this response? You cannot even give people water, now.

[bubur]

muh rhetoric

[bubur]

muh... todd howard?

[NPC]

Requiring ID to vote being sold as racist is without merit. This thread is too long and full of brainwashed liberals incapable of critical thought.

Also that Columbo guy is too into Trump.

LOL, the republicans are trying to restrict voting, how can anyone defend that? Not even about voter ID, they shortened the hours anyone can vote! Voting should be fast an easy, and should have voting time expanded, restricting voting in anyway is shaddy BS. Lets not count legit votes because they were hours, even days late? Are you Fing kidding me? There is no arguement because there is no defense. Voting days should be holidays, voting during the work week is discrimination against anyone with a job. Republicans clearly don't want democracy, they want the sheeple to keep slaving away. Defend Mitch McConnel holding up Supreme Court nominations while your at it.
As for voter ID, there are tons of elderly, disabled, and poor without ID. It's hard for the privileged middle class to comprehend someone too poor to own a car an rides the bus. Those are exactly the demographic the republicans throw under the bus over an over, so of course they don't want them to vote.

[Baler]

LOL, the republicans are trying to restrict voting, how can anyone defend that?

https://i.imgur.com/JQ4Jtqx.gif

[Horza]

LOL, the republicans are trying to restrict voting, how can anyone defend that?

All they care about is power, it's pretty fucking craven but at least seems to be alienating many voters and corporate sponsors.

[Tentarro]

Todd herman said on the radio as a matter of fact that illegal immigrants get 25k each for a stimulus package for breaking the law. Dont ask me, ask Todd Herman. He's the one that told me it was true. Are you saying hes not an honest actor and was lying to everyone?

If you dont have a car, you dont have a drivers license. If you live in a large city and use public transport, you dont have a drivers license. Voter ID is racist because the numbers plainly show that minorities and poor people are effected in a severe way. You can watch the elections from year to year and see the numbers go down after voter ID is put in place. Usually its in response to democrats winning, too much, not "fraud".

Funny how there have only been like 14 cases of actual voter fraud in the past 30 years but we NEED voter ID sooooo badly. Nobody does that with ANYTHING. So if you get one counterfeit dollar, you have to check every single dollar and check IDs, afterwards?? No, you dont. This has happened to you and you still dont check every single dollar you get from the bank with your little grease pen. Why would this standard apply to voting? Nothing works like that. Nothing.

Can you name even ONE thing where the response to 1:1000000000 is every single one must now be checked, every single person must show ID for this RIGHT? Just one thing, anything. What justifies this response? You cannot even give people water, now.

If you're trying to say that minorities are incapable of affording a car, that's really racist.

I like how you do correlation->causation that voter ID is racist because minorities can't "afford" it, but not that voter ID -> less voter fraud.

You can always get a state ID, it's not hard.

[FatherSioux]

LOL, the republicans are trying to restrict voting, how can anyone defend that? Not even about voter ID, they shortened the hours anyone can vote! Voting should be fast an easy, and should have voting time expanded, restricting voting in anyway is shaddy BS. Lets not count legit votes because they were hours, even days late? Are you Fing kidding me? There is no arguement because there is no defense. Voting days should be holidays, voting during the work week is discrimination against anyone with a job. Republicans clearly don't want democracy, they want the sheeple to keep slaving away. Defend Mitch McConnel holding up Supreme Court nominations while your at it.
As for voter ID, there are tons of elderly, disabled, and poor without ID. It's hard for the privileged middle class to comprehend someone too poor to own a car an rides the bus. Those are exactly the demographic the republicans throw under the bus over an over, so of course they don't want them to vote.

So republicans discriminate against people with jobs, any PoC, any non-heterosexual. A lot of hate coming from the same line of thinking that ended slavery.

[Cassawary]

A lot of hate coming from the same line of thinking that ended slavery.

That's a weird way of spelling Whig.

[Horza]

If you're trying to say that minorities are incapable of affording a car, that's really racist.

https://i.imgur.com/lr1B3FE.png

[Zoggren]

If you're trying to say that minorities are incapable of affording a car, that's really racist.

I like how you do correlation->causation that voter ID is racist because minorities can't "afford" it, but not that voter ID -> less voter fraud.

You can always get a state ID, it's not hard.

Where is the proof of wide spread voter fraud that makes these changes necessary?

[Cecily]

So yeah, equating black people's ability to participate in our democracy (something they've been systematically denied the right to do for centuries) to someone unable to buy a beer without ID: that clearly shows you understand the issues here :rolleyes:

It's the exact same thing. If not proof of identity, then proof of age. How about both? There's no reason to not make voting the same bureaucratic nightmare everything else is in this country and there's no reason something so (symbolically) important should escape the show proof of who you say you are requirement that is literally everywhere else.

[Horza]

Where is the proof of wide spread voter fraud that makes these changes necessary?

You must not watch very much Fox News.

[DMN]

Where is the proof of wide spread voter fraud that makes these changes necessary?

Who gets to determine how to define "widespread"? Where is the proof there is NOT "widespread" voter fraud? Why wouldn't we want to avoid all fraud regardless of whether it's "widespread" or not?

[Cecily]

Todd herman said on the radio as a matter of fact that illegal immigrants get 25k each for a stimulus package for breaking the law. Dont ask me, ask Todd Herman. He's the one that told me it was true. Are you saying hes not an honest actor and was lying to everyone?

If you dont have a car, you dont have a drivers license. If you live in a large city and use public transport, you dont have a drivers license. Voter ID is racist because the numbers plainly show that minorities and poor people are effected in a severe way. You can watch the elections from year to year and see the numbers go down after voter ID is put in place. Usually its in response to democrats winning, too much, not "fraud".

Funny how there have only been like 14 cases of actual voter fraud in the past 30 years but we NEED voter ID sooooo badly. Nobody does that with ANYTHING. So if you get one counterfeit dollar, you have to check every single dollar and check IDs, afterwards?? No, you dont. This has happened to you and you still dont check every single dollar you get from the bank with your little grease pen. Why would this standard apply to voting? Nothing works like that. Nothing.

Can you name even ONE thing where the response to 1:1000000000 is every single one must now be checked, every single person must show ID for this RIGHT? Just one thing, anything. What justifies this response? You cannot even give people water, now.

Hi I'm a poor person. I have an "Identification Card." I show it to buy smokes and booze and deal with government agencies and other institutions, like the bank and college.

[Tentarro]

That's a weird way of spelling Whig.

Lincoln wasn't a Whig.

https://i.imgur.com/lr1B3FE.png

I bet you have a really good explanation for that

Where is the proof of wide spread voter fraud that makes these changes necessary?

Why do you need proof? Every other country has stringent Voter ID laws, the question is, why are we behind?

[Cassawary]

Who gets to determine how to define "widespread"? Where is the proof there is NOT "widespread" voter fraud? Why wouldn't we want to avoid all fraud regardless of whether it's "widespread" or not?

Google 'proportional response' and change your mind-diaper.

Lincoln wasn't a Whig.


Was too.

[this user was banned]

If you want my take on it...
MLB has a major stake in the Chinese market.
China wants to be able to control the US elections via mail in vote fraud to help keep people in power that are sympathetic to them.
Anything China wants, you'll see bizarre things like this come up.

Long shot but after the last election, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[Horza]

If you want my take on it...
MLB has a major stake in the Chinese market.
China wants to be able to control the US elections via mail in vote fraud to help keep people in power that are sympathetic to them.
Anything China wants, you'll see bizarre things like this come up.

Long shot but after the last election, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

https://i.imgur.com/5TlCmvU.jpg

[Tentarro]

Was too.

Maybe at first, but not at the end of the political career, nor when he signed the Emancipation Proclamation.

[G13]

https://i.imgur.com/lr1B3FE.png

All incomes were going up under Trump

Blacks enjoyed the lowest unemployment rate they have seen in 50 years because of Orange Man Great as well

Greatest President of all time

[Cassawary]

Maybe at first, but not at the end of the political career, nor when he signed the Emancipation Proclamation.

I, too Googled the wikipedia page. :cool:

[Horza]

All incomes were going up under Trump

Blacks enjoyed the lowest unemployment rate they have seen in 50 years because of Orange Man Great as well

Greatest President of all time

https://i.imgur.com/m2GMwMW.jpg

[G13]

https://i.imgur.com/m2GMwMW.jpg

You self owned with your graph

So back to the memes you go

[Horza]

I was just saying there's nothing racist about pointing out the huge disparity in household incomes in this country.

[G13]

I was just saying there's nothing racist about pointing out the huge disparity in household incomes in this country.

You can't see the forest for the trees

[dcortez]

I was just saying there's nothing racist about pointing out the huge disparity in household incomes in this country.


Do out of wedlock births, next!

[Tentarro]

I, too Googled the wikipedia page. :cool:

ITT: Leftist shame others for knowing things

I was just saying there's nothing racist about pointing out the huge disparity in household incomes in this country.

Why did incomes stagnate and lower under Obama but then picked up again after Trump?

[Horza]

Almost like every Democratic president for the last 30 years has been responsible for cleaning up the mess left by the previous, Republican administration. It's a real headscratcher.

[Kaveh]

McCain coauthored a bill with a democratic senator in 2005 that addressed the subprime loan crisis before the bubble popped

McCain is actually by BIGLY margins the greatest politician of our time. He also personally killed communists and did not submit to their torture. Trump dishonored him and will, as such, be consumed in the fires of hell

Happy Easter!

[magnetaress]

Lots of drug and Seretogenic induced posts since I last checked the forums this morning.

[G13]

McCain coauthored a bill with a democratic senator in 2005 that addressed the subprime loan crisis before the bubble popped

McCain is actually by BIGLY margins the greatest politician of our time. He also personally killed communists and did not submit to their torture. Trump dishonored him and will, as such, be consumed in the fires of hell

Happy Easter!

Songbird McCain picked that fight

He was also a squishy RINO

[DMN]

Well, he could certainly carry a tune,

o-zoPgv_nYg

[bubur]

gotta admit kinda funny joke

[Tentarro]

Almost like every Democratic president for the last 30 years has been responsible for cleaning up the mess left by the previous, Republican administration. It's a real headscratcher.

Why were incomes higher before Obama then?

[Cassawary]

Why were incomes higher before Obama then?

They weren't. You're numerically illiterate I guess.

[Tentarro]

They weren't. You're numerically illiterate I guess.

UHHHHH well I'm going by the graph and around 2008/9 they kinda dipped, a lot.

[Rader]

They weren't. You're numerically illiterate I guess.

Keep drinking that coolaid

[Cassawary]

UHHHHH well I'm going by the graph and around 2008/9 they kinda dipped, a lot.

Statement confirmed 💯

[Tentarro]

Statement confirmed 💯

2008/9 is when a Democrat president was elected. Correlation -> Causation means the markets dip with a Democrat is in office.

Unless you're trying to somehow say W and the Republican party were mystically magically the masterminds of the housing crash? How did they do that?

[Cassawary]

2008/9 is when a Democrat president was elected. Correlation -> Causation means the markets dip with a Democrat is in office.

Unless you're trying to somehow say W and the Republican party were mystically magically the masterminds of the housing crash? How did they do that?

The meme shows "real income". You're a moron.

[Jibartik]

Unless you're trying to somehow say W and the Republican party were mystically magically the masterminds of the housing crash? How did they do that?

After years of financial deregulation accelerating under the Bush administration, banks lent subprime mortgages to more and more home buyers, causing a housing bubble. Many of these banks also invested in credit default swaps and derivatives that were essentially bets on the soundness of these loans.

[Kaveh]

2008/9 is when a Democrat president was elected. Correlation -> Causation means the markets dip with a Democrat is in office.

Unless you're trying to somehow say W and the Republican party were mystically magically the masterminds of the housing crash? How did they do that?

The financial crisis didn’t happen before November 2008? Obama didn’t take office until January 2009

Bush was god awful dude get a grip

[Tentarro]

The meme shows "real income". You're a moron.

So you admit you're wrong, got it.

After years of financial deregulation accelerating under the Bush administration, banks lent subprime mortgages to more and more home buyers, causing a housing bubble. Many of these banks also invested in credit default swaps and derivatives that were essentially bets on the soundness of these loans.

So you're telling me human greed caused a housing bubble, and not politicians?

The financial crisis didn’t happen before November 2008? Obama didn’t take office until January 2009

Bush was god awful dude get a grip

Oh look, a guy who entered the conversation late and now wants to join in with brainless mumbling.

[G13]

The financial crisis didn’t happen before November 2008? Obama didn’t take office until January 2009

Bush was god awful dude get a grip

It's roots go back to Clinton

It happened, because the Democrats said loans were not being granted to blacks cuz racisms, so they eased restrictions and backed these loans with the full power of The Federal Government

Sharks chased the easy money that had been created by Government intervention in the markets

[Cassawary]

So you admit you're wrong, got it.

If that's what you need to think baldy. 😊

Or you could just Google it. Whatever floats your boat.

[Jibartik]

So you're telling me human greed caused a housing bubble, and not politicians

No that greed caused humans to want to sell houses and politicians allowed them and it caused a housing bubble.

[Tentarro]

If that's what you need to think baldy. 😊

https://i.imgur.com/FbqVroM.jpg

Or you could just Google it. Whatever floats your boat.

That wouldn't follow the rules of the conversation, you're not allowed to Google things or look them up, or simply know things, because then otherwise it's invalidated since it's on Wikipedia.

Moron.

[Tentarro]

No that greed caused humans to want to sell houses and politicians allowed them and it caused a housing bubble.

So politicians should intervene in the market is what you're now telling me?

[Jibartik]

So politicians should intervene in the market is what you're now telling me?

instead of double posting try reading one hope this helps! :o

[Kaveh]

Buck stops with the man in office. Bush had 8 years to do what McCain, a much smarter man (and war hero currently in Valhalla) told him

He didn’t. His soul is forfeit

[Cassawary]

https://i.imgur.com/FbqVroM.jpg



That wouldn't follow the rules of the conversation, you're not allowed to Google things or look them up, or simply know things, because then otherwise it's invalidated since it's on Wikipedia.

Moron.

Did you figure out what "real income" is yet, memeboi?

[Horza]

So politicians should intervene in the market is what you're now telling me?

https://i.imgur.com/hJFMlDa.jpg

[Jibartik]

Hate to break it to ya 40s are the new 30s cu real soon.

[Tentarro]

instead of double posting try reading one hope this helps! :o

Maybe you shouldn't take forever to post because your geriatric fingers can't press buttons quick enough, hope this helps!

Buck stops with the man in office. Bush had 8 years to do what McCain, a much smarter man (and war hero currently in Valhalla) told him

He didn’t. His soul is forfeit

Jesus Christ, McCain worship, why didn't you tell me sooner you have a mental disability.

Did you figure out what "real income" is yet, memeboi?

You realize that only means people made even less during Democrat years?

https://i.imgur.com/hJFMlDa.jpg

Very cringe

[Jibartik]

geriatric fingers

cu real soon.

[Horza]

If only there was a pill you could take that would make you forget things like what real income means.

[Kaveh]

McCain was a bad mother fucker

Trump is a fat mother fucker. God makes things obvious for those of us with eyes to see and ears to hear. He is risen

[Kaveh]

My index funds have more than doubled since 2009

Thanks Obama

[Jibartik]

Trump is a fat mother fucker. God makes things obvious for those of us with eyes to see and ears to hear. He is risen

this makes me nostalgic for 2020

[bubur]

imagine casting a vote for democrat party b thinking you're anti-wallstreet, anti-elite, and pro class balance and celebrating yourself

praying for ya. in the spirit of easter, we'll be here when you come back to reality, unless you try to kill us. that may be a dealbreaker for a lot of ppl

[Horza]

It's the Democratic Party, friend.

[bubur]

it's party b of an ab multiple choice and you're a bootlicker

[G13]

Buck stops with the man in office. Bush had 8 years to do what McCain, a much smarter man (and war hero currently in Valhalla) told him

He didn’t. His soul is forfeit

McCain suspended his campaign when the markets crashed

Obama didn't suspend his

Who won and who did you vote for

[Kaveh]

McCain

Voted Kerry in ‘04, bush was all time dumb

[Jibartik]

I cant believe that during the tribulation I have to listen to people talk about which party's fault the 2008 housing crisis was, this shit is hell the christians were right.

[Kaveh]

I cant believe that during the tribulation I have to listen to people talk about which party's fault the 2008 housing crisis was, this shit is hell the christians were right.

It was quite bipartisan. But bush was in office and bears responsibility. These new republicans pretend that Trump and Bush did no wrong. How is that even near rational? You are in a cult if you can’t admit people you like or admire are fallible

Bush is one of the dumbest mother fuckers to ever speak in public. He sounds like his IQ is 90. How is this debatable?

[Jibartik]

I hated bush like I was a hippy in a affluent family hates their parents but it is 2021 and I don't even think that id like to stoop down to a level where I am thinking about him again tbh.

[Kaveh]

Fair point buddy

[Tentarro]

I cant believe that during the tribulation I have to listen to people talk about which party's fault the 2008 housing crisis was, this shit is hell the christians were right.

I never once stated it was either party's fault, only pointing out that blaming a political party for the greed of those like the Gamestop shorters, is stupid as fuck.

[Toxigen]

https://i.imgur.com/srOB81L.png

[Horza]

There's no need to be a sore loser, Toxigen.

[Jibartik]

only pointing out that blaming a political party for the greed of those like the Gamestop shorters, is stupid as fuck.

So politicians should intervene in the market is what you're now telling me?

[Tentarro]

Quotes from me

Taking me out of context, the game, the movie, the comic book.

[Baler]

h50ZsEHCJ9s

[-TK-]

It's fun watching you idiots regurgitate everything you see on TV and the written news like you actually know something while leaving out the real pertinent details you're too lazy to look-up. The faith you put in the media on both sides is just saddening. Some information about the new voting laws which can all be verified.

The Water Thing: They set minimum distances from polling facilities for campaigning at 150 feet and 25 from an independent voting stand. Sounds reasonable. What the law changed was that you no longer can leave your campaign stand, walk up to people in line, then walk back to your candidate's booth to get around the no campaigning laws just because you don't have a pin or candidate's shirt on - everyone still sees you go back to your booth. The law also encourages polling centers to provide public access water on site, and YOU CAN STILL BRING YOUR OWN FOOD OR WATER OR PURCHASE FOOD OR WATER AROUND THE FACILITY. It just can't be handed out for free by campaigners trying to skirt the laws.

Voting Hours: This bill actually guaranteed increased voting hours. Previously, counties had to open for early voting during primaries and general elections from 9am to 4pm with Sundays not mentioned (Sunday voting was not a regular thing in the past throughout the state before COVID2020 according to what I've found and first hand accounts I've received). Under the new law (2) Saturdays of early voting are now MANDATORY -- from 9am to 5pm at minimum and from 7am to 7pm if the counties desire -- and two Sundays are made optional at the county's discretion.

The old law said early voting had to take place during 'normal business hours' on weekdays, leaving counties to decide what counts as 'normal'. The new law sets a specific time period, requiring early voting to be offered from 9am to 5pm. However, it also says counties can open early voting to be offered as early as 7am to 7pm if they desire. In the 2020 general election Fulton, Dekalb, Clayton and various other Democratic strongholds held their early voting hours between 7am and 7pm so they would NOT be forced into reductions.(thanks, CNN)

Voter ID: To vote or request an absentee ballot you must provide (1) source of identification. While state issued driver's license or ID number are the most common acceptable forms of ID, the new law allows that if you have neither you can instead provide a utility bill, bank statement, or government issued check receipt as a form of identification (there may be more that aren't listed). That's a pretty low bar of entry considering how many people in GA can now provide the government check receipt from their stimulus payments. People on government services can also use those receipts.

Absentee Ballots: Anyone can request an absentee ballot up to 78 days before an election day for any reason if you provide one of the many acceptable forms of ID. The county must mail those out at the latest 29 days before the election. Absentee ballots must now be received 11 days prior to the election (old law was 4 days) to ensure adequate time to verify and count. This was changed due to the expected increase in absentee ballots and so we don't run into counties counting ballots 7 days after the election as we saw during COVID2020. Take note that these ballots can be returned in multiple ways: drop if off at a early voting drop box/station, return via UPSP mail, via the state's online portal, of even via FAX!

Other notable election improvements from the law: The new law now REQUIRES a minimum of (1) absentee/early voting drop box IN ALL DISTRICTS where there were no laws requiring it before. This drop box must be located at election offices or early voting sites. I'm murky on the details beyond this initial MANDATORY drop box being located at a polling facility vs any additional drop box being located elsewhere. I have more research to do on the wording here.

Another notable improvement is that the law forces voting precincts that had lines of more than one hour in the previous general election, or did not complete voting by one hour after the poll-closing time in the previous election, that the county officials have to reduce the size of the precinct or get more poll workers, voting equipment of both before the next election. This was the most complained about topic that I could find while researching black voter sentiment from 2020 and prior elections in GA. Previously, no law had addressed these long lines and this is considered a big upgrade to minority voting, but is mentioned in almost none of the media research I did aside from one CNN article as a footnote. Another positive to this is it should reduce the 'need' for people to be handing out water in line.

Removing Election Officials: County election officials can be removed from their posts if over at least (2) elections over a (2) year period the officials have demonstrated repeated nonfeasance, malfeasance, or gross negligence regarding election law, or if county officials committed at least three violations of election law on board regulations in the last (2) general election cycles and had not sufficiently remedied these violations. This official(s) that are removed, will be replaced by a State Election Board appointed non-partisan individual. This is really the only thing in the bill people should be scoffing at. While the bar is set decently high to remove the officials, appointing an individual through a possibly partisan board doesn't sound right. While this does raise a few eyebrows we might never see it happen, and it would not have helped either Trump or Stacey Abrams with their disputed GA election results.

My thoughts:
Remember folks, politicians don't really care about your skin color unless they are using it for political advantage. I'm sure GA is full of racist fucks, but at the end of the day these politicians only care about staying in office at all costs like every other politician. I don't buy into the racist narrative about this law because if it's true these politicians are trying to keep people from the polls, they don't care what color you are outside of Red or Blue. I just don't see how this law is really keeping anyone from the polls, though. Being able to prove who you are in some form or another is just part of being a citizen of this country. To say that people shouldn't have to provide the bare minimum of identification or make a bare minimum effort to vote for our elected leaders makes no sense when you think about every other thing in the country you have to provide ID to do or access. They've also said for years that signature verification alone is slow and often-times unreliable. Signatures change over time and can vary wildly making them difficult to authenticate.

Feel free to crack open the bill or spend hours of your time trying to counter my findings. I am 100% open to it, but it better not be some vaguely worded MSNBC or CNN article just saying 'this bill adds obstacles to voting for minorities.' You parrots need to get back to the bird cage.

[Horza]

Thank god Republican politicians are protecting us from the many hazards of volunteers offering water while people wait in line.

[Toxigen]

Well said, TK. Too bad the useful idiots like Horza won't even read it because it isn't a Vice News headline.

[Baler]

Well said, TK. Too bad the useful idiots like Horza won't even read it because it isn't a Vice News headline.

https://i.imgur.com/VmZUrx4.gif

[Gravydoo II]

Lol you forgot the mention the whole part where yes, voting hours are expanded in rural counties. For the cities of GA, its backwards. Just so happens that black people mostly live in the cities... So they shortened the hours, took off a few days, and shortened the voting windows all round for the cities. The places where more people live than anywhere else, they have shorter hours. The rural areas have longer hours.

Gee, I wonder why. Its not like black people mostly live in cit- OHHHHHH!!! Not racist though. Just effects black people, minorities, and city dwelling democrats more than republicans.

AM radio told him the truth. Here are the facts.

Have a read about the ACTUAL changes, not just some retard.
Increased state power over counties
The new law removes the Georgia secretary of state as the chair of the state elections board. (Former President Donald Trump and other Republicans have attacked the current Republican secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, for refusing to accommodate Trump's baseless claims about the 2020 election.) Instead, the law lets the state legislature -- which has been under unified Republican control since 2005 -- appoint a "nonpartisan" chair of the board. HOW ABOUT THAT SMALLER GOVERNMENT, REPUBLICANS?? LOLOLOLOL

And under the new law, if a majority of the five-member board decides that a county's elections officials have been doing their job poorly, the board can suspend those officials and replace them with one person the board has hand-picked to serve as a temporary superintendent, with the same powers the officials had.

The new law allows the state board to sideline elections officials in up to four counties at a time. A majority of the board would have to decide that the officials demonstrated "nonfeasance, malfeasance, or gross negligence" in at least two elections over a two-year period, or that the county officials committed at least three violations of election law or board regulations in the last two general election cycles and had not "sufficiently remedied" these violations.

This provision is a concern to officials and activists in large Democratic-run counties like Atlanta's Fulton County, whose elections administration has been attacked by former Trump and other Republicans.

Guaranteed -- but also limited -- drop boxes
The new law requires each Georgia county to have a minimum of one drop box for absentee ballots. In 2020, when drop boxes were used for the first time in Georgia, the boxes were authorized by special pandemic-related rules rather than by long-term legislation.

However, the new law also limits how many drop boxes each county can have, how many hours and days the boxes can be open, and where they can be located.

The law says that each county can't have more than one drop box per early voting site or per 100,000 active registered voters, whichever number is smaller. This provision will dramatically reduce the number of drop boxes available in some large counties. Fulton County, for example, says it would go from 38 drop boxes in the November election to eight in the future.

In addition, the law says that drop boxes need to be located at elections offices or inside early voting locations. And it says the boxes can only be available during the hours that early voting is available. (If the governor declares an emergency, the boxes can be located outdoors.) In 2020, drop boxes could be located outside, available 24 hours a day, and open until the evening of Election Day.


So going from 38 to 8 is "expanding" the drop boxes??? You must be a fucking RETARD to believe that. I guess moving them inside so they can only be accessed during business hours was a move to "expand" the voting, huh?? Almost like you want to believe what they told you instead of actually reading the shit.