Progressive leadership in a nutshell

[indiscriminate_hater]

https://abc7news.com/oakland-reallocates-$10m-to-police-and-fire-departments/10511555/

So far this year, Oakland has reported 41 homicides. This time last year there were 13 - that's a 215% increase.

Car robberies have also jumped with 149 cases recorded this year, compared to 57 last year.

Chief Armstrong said robberies are up in every district of the city too. Officers have responded to 340 robberies since January.

Imagine thinking that defunding the police would help society in any way

[magnetaress]

Defunding the police while simultaneously charging civvies for manslaughter/murder2 every time someone gets spicy and stupid is really dumb and fascist. I do not know how to more plainly state this.

We are somewhere between a police state and something else, and we are trying to dance around real punishments for being awful/criminal. While simultaneously virtuesinging about fairness and equality, when we can't even pay a police officers medical bills/transition expenses.

So, um.

[Trexller]

when we can't even pay a police officers medical bills/Mental Health.

FTFY

[Baler]

It's only going to get more loony.

[Cassawary]

That's a neat statistical framing.

https://i.imgur.com/qvOhGKZ.jpg

[magnetaress]

dont self harm over this

[Toxigen]

I say let the liberal fuckwits defund the cops in these cities and turn their own neighborhoods into literal warzones.

Chicongo here we come.

[Baler]

I say let the liberal fuckwits defund the cops in these cities and turn their own neighborhoods into literal warzones.

Chicongo here we come.

The problem is that then they will blame all of America and try to implement more draconian laws nation wide instead of fixing the actual problem.

They don't begin to understand the violence in liberal/democrat primary cities.

[Gustoo]

All these problems are symptoms. Bad systems are symptoms.

The disease is lack of love for one another. Lack of empathy. However you want to put it. Too much apathy. Whether we are tricked or brainwashed or led into positions of isolation and depression to help us be better more miserable workers and shoppers or what, that is what we are.

The only way to have meaningful change is to change yourself, to not curb stomp when the curb stomp is totally justified. You don't have to be successful in loving your shitbag neighbor every time, but every time you do it it helps a little bit and its a lot stronger than any law.

Reminds me of this song

https://youtu.be/Zqe5NP86OCc?t=76

50% of the people you meet on the street are going to be on the other side of the political chasm. 100% of the people you meet on the street would tell you that they just wish everyone would be decent to eachother. Then, they might proceed to hate and berate and degrade the person who is on the other side of the divide, because they're causing all the problems. We all cause the problems for all of us.

[Horza]

I'm just here for the conservative circlejerk.

[cd288]

Yeah but they said they’d replace it with community policing! But then these people are like oh wait you mean community policing means that I have to go out and try and stop that aggressive angry criminal myself? Yeah no thanks!

[Gustoo]

Tons of cop calls are just to deal with a crazy guy on the street with a drug problem and mental health problems.

Instead of sending a person who's main objective is to come out alive, where every interaction makes someone more of a criminal, you could send someone who's only objective is to help people with mental health problems.

Cops don't want to be mental health professionals. They aren't, and they don't want to be.

So send someone else. Right now we don't have anyone else to send when there is a guy on street corner muttering obscenities at people and kinda falling into the road. So that guy might talk to a cop and do something stupid and get shot.

Now if our intension is to just kill these guys, why don't we put forward a law to kill everyone with mental health issues?

If that isn't our intension, lets add some options for ways to deal with these people.

The prison system is the same kind of joke. Why even send people there if they only come out with a formal education in being a criminal, forced to choice between the racist gang that they are most suited for by virtue of their physical appearance. If we wan't people to have their lives ruined, lets make a more efficient process like a firing squad.

If we want to repair our damaged citizens lets do something that actually has a chance at that.

Anyways play red.

[Cassawary]

Yeah but they said they’d replace it with community policing! But then these people are like oh wait you mean community policing means that I have to go out and try and stop that aggressive angry criminal myself? Yeah no thanks!

‘Don’t Say Socialism Ever Again’ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/11/05/dont-say-socialism-ever-again-democrats-in-congress-push-back-against-lefty-messaging-after-disappointing-election/?sh=3cf411baf0cd): Democrats In Congress Push Back Against Lefty Messaging After Disappointing Election

Moderate Democrats expressed frustration and, at times, fury on a House caucus call Thursday that several reporters listened in on, arguing the party should immediately break with progressive messaging—like “defund the police”—after disappointing House and Senate results.

[BlackBellamy]

Cops don't want to be mental health professionals. They aren't, and they don't want to be.

So send someone else.

Don't care what cops want to be, they don't get to write their job descriptions, if they don't like it they can work a security job at the warehouse or the nightclub. I don't blame cops for shooting crazy people, I blame management. Management teaches cops if they see someone muttering obscenities and kinda falling down on the road to engage them like it's a law enforcement matter.

The solution to cops shooting mentally ill people is not to send a mental health person alongside or instead of so the badly trained aggressive police don't get out of hand. The solution is to retrain the police.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Tons of cop calls are just to deal with a crazy guy on the street with a drug problem and mental health problems.

Instead of sending a person who's main objective is to come out alive, where every interaction makes someone more of a criminal, you could send someone who's only objective is to help people with mental health problems.

Cops don't want to be mental health professionals. They aren't, and they don't want to be.

So send someone else. Right now we don't have anyone else to send when there is a guy on street corner muttering obscenities at people and kinda falling into the road. So that guy might talk to a cop and do something stupid and get shot.

Now if our intension is to just kill these guys, why don't we put forward a law to kill everyone with mental health issues?

If that isn't our intension, lets add some options for ways to deal with these people.

The prison system is the same kind of joke. Why even send people there if they only come out with a formal education in being a criminal, forced to choice between the racist gang that they are most suited for by virtue of their physical appearance. If we wan't people to have their lives ruined, lets make a more efficient process like a firing squad.

If we want to repair our damaged citizens lets do something that actually has a chance at that.

Anyways play red.

You would love the DA of San Francisco, Chesa Boudin. He is an advocate of restorative justice, wherein criminals forego prison sentences in favor of programs that are meant to restore them as useful members of society. Very noble in theory.

Unfortunately, the reality over the past couple of years has been that crime has skyrocketed, in large part because the disincentive of going to prison has been removed. Criminals have been caught and released for serious crimes over and over again with little to no repurcussion.

See an example here (https://sfist.com/2020/12/03/tenderloin-suspect-racks-up-13th-vehicle-theft-arrest-in-18-months/), and a more egregious example here (https://sfist.com/2021/02/10/yet-another-felon-with-recent-arrest-wearing-ankle-monitor/). In that second story, a man with a string of previous felonies had been released to the public. He then went on to carjack the minivan of a man who was delivering for Doordash and happened to have his two small children in the backseats. So after a carjacking and double kidnapping that triggered an Amber Alert, what happened to this man after he was caught? He was again quickly released (https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/02/11/update-suspect-san-francisco-child-abduction-carjacking-arraigned/).

These are not cherry-picked or isolated issues, they are examples of a very long string of similar stories that has led to massive recall efforts across the city to remove the DA. Imagine that - in the most liberal city in America, nearly unanimous support to recall a progressive leader.

This is the problem with armchair liberals saying "well if we just did this, society would be fixed." Your thoughts are not original, your ideas are half-baked, and policies like this will inevatibly fail in the real world because people and society are complex. Mankind has had thousands of years to figure out that there has to be some disincentive to doing crime. In what world does your handful of years and experience qualify you to challenge that?

[Toxigen]

https://i.imgur.com/uSDVbrc.png

[Cassawary]

https://i.imgur.com/uSDVbrc.png

without a badge, you're just a vigilante. i saw it in adocumentary

https://i.imgur.com/BxTegHT.jpg

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/uSDVbrc.png

Surely turning a brainwashed murderer into the hero of the right will help you retake the House and Senate.

[Jibartik]

Rioters bring rocks to riot BAD

Rioters bring ar15s to riot GOOD

[starkind]

You would love the DA of San Francisco, Chesa Boudin. He is an advocate of restorative justice, wherein criminals forego prison sentences in favor of programs that are meant to restore them as useful members of society. Very noble in theory.

Unfortunately, the reality over the past couple of years has been that crime has skyrocketed, in large part because the disincentive of going to prison has been removed. Criminals have been caught and released for serious crimes over and over again with little to no repurcussion.

See an example here (https://sfist.com/2020/12/03/tenderloin-suspect-racks-up-13th-vehicle-theft-arrest-in-18-months/), and a more egregious example here (https://sfist.com/2021/02/10/yet-another-felon-with-recent-arrest-wearing-ankle-monitor/). In that second story, a man with a string of previous felonies had been released to the public. He then went on to carjack the minivan of a man who was delivering for Doordash and happened to have his two small children in the backseats. So after a carjacking and double kidnapping that triggered an Amber Alert, what happened to this man after he was caught? He was again quickly released (https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/02/11/update-suspect-san-francisco-child-abduction-carjacking-arraigned/).

These are not cherry-picked or isolated issues, they are examples of a very long string of similar stories that has led to massive recall efforts across the city to remove the DA. Imagine that - in the most liberal city in America, nearly unanimous support to recall a progressive leader.

This is the problem with armchair liberals saying "well if we just did this, society would be fixed." Your thoughts are not original, your ideas are half-baked, and policies like this will inevatibly fail in the real world because people and society are complex. Mankind has had thousands of years to figure out that there has to be some disincentive to doing crime. In what world does your handful of years and experience qualify you to challenge that?

Both can be true and both options implemented. They should be implemented by a board of individuals called a jury. And the sentance should be variable based on circumstances.

There is no good reason to violently rob anyone. If someone is willing to commit violence. It is time to join a militia and serve your community as a soldier, builder, or martyr. Not as an outlaw. Death sucks. We can put people in safe places were they can't do themselves or other people harm when they cannot make these determinations. This is why Starkinds do not 'hate' people who are fed up with the system. Starkind simply accepts that some people are broken, dangerous, or too hurt or disabled to do the right thing and need supervision and less (a lot less usually) freedom. This should be America's #1 priority. Those people shouldn't have such easy access to guns either. Not because Starkind hates these people and wants them to be powerless, but because starkind is tired of seeing people kill each other over junk food and convienience. Out of a lack of courtesy, respect, and desperation. Starkind believes this country needs a lot more than just heavy handed and loosely enforced policing.

[cd288]

‘Don’t Say Socialism Ever Again’ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/11/05/dont-say-socialism-ever-again-democrats-in-congress-push-back-against-lefty-messaging-after-disappointing-election/?sh=3cf411baf0cd): Democrats In Congress Push Back Against Lefty Messaging After Disappointing Election

Not sure what your point is here

[HalflingSpergand]

Progress woohoo! Love it. Defund those fuckin cops. How bout defund the fuckin highway patrol too fuckin shit we can barricade and isolate keep all the naggers out

[Horza]

keep all the naggers out

Tell us how you really feel.

[Trexller]

Tell us how you really feel.

stop nagging

[Cassawary]

Not sure what your point is here

the quote has a bit about defund da police

[Kaveh]

On a serious note, if the lady in Minneapolis really did mean to pull her taser and not her gun, while that is an extremely stupid and negligent mistake, why is it relevant in the slightest that she’s white? Are stupid mistakes racist ?

This is getting old guys, resisting arrest results in a nonzero chance for bad consequences

[Jibartik]

On a serious note, if the lady in Minneapolis really did mean to pull her taser and not her gun, while that is an extremely stupid and negligent mistake, why is it relevant in the slightest that she’s white? Are stupid mistakes racist ?

This is getting old guys, resisting arrest results in a nonzero chance for bad consequences

being 17 and not understanding the responsibility of an adult? that's a shooting.

being in your 30s and trained to deal with crisis situations and shooting someone? that's a slap on the wrist.

ATTN: cops should have not even proceeded with the arrest until they had him at the back of his car with the drivers side door closed.

There are so many mistakes they made before the fatal one. Like putting a warrent out for someone because of a clerical mistake, for example.

Tragic.

In my dreams I'd expect hear the sound of TASER TASER TASER as I think about that small mistake, till the day I died if I was his mother.

[Baler]

Daunte White had a warrent for his arrest, his crimes include...
Drugs
Sale of Drugs
Possession of a firearm
Evading Police

He also had pictures of himself online with guns and flashing money.
(for any of you who have never been in the streets, Those are signs that he was dealing drugs.)

I don't feel bad for this criminal. You should not feel bad for this criminal.
Did the officer screw up, yes. But what wonko world do we live in when people are allowed to riot and praise criminals.

[Jibartik]

Guys, I know you dont like the guy but taht doesnt mean we have to have police officers that are this stupid, you know?

You dont proceed with an arrest literally at the open driver side door on the road.

Perhaps if our god damn police knew how to police he could have the punishment he constitutionally deserves for his crimes, ok?

I dont like more than half the people on earth, doesnt mean I would think them accidentally dying would be a good thing (unless it is from a sky full of flames and lightning them I'm all for it.)

The only thing that matters: Police accidentally kill people because they virtually dont know how to do it any other way these days. And that is stupid.

[RecondoJoe]

Daunte White had a warrent for his arrest, his crimes include...
Drugs
Sale of Drugs
Possession of a firearm
Evading Police

He also had pictures of himself online with guns and flashing money.
(for any of you who have never been in the streets, Those are signs that he was dealing drugs.)

I don't feel bad for this criminal. You should not feel bad for this criminal.
Did the officer screw up, yes. But what wonko world do we live in when people are allowed to riot and praise criminals.

I dont think anyone felt he should be shot, including the person who shot him

but i also dont think that it was a hate crime

[Baler]

There has been rioting every night for the past 4 nights over daunte white, a criminal.

[Jibartik]

I think the rioting is over police being very clumsy and bad at their jobs.

The administration should be on trial btw not the officers!

The problem, like the problem with the war on drugs, is that the people on top are free from guilt under any circumstances and at the very best we arrest the street dealers.

[Jibartik]

Like imagine if firemen threw people out of 6 story windows to get them out, so they didn't have to risk their own lives carrying them down the stairs of a burning building.

That's the type of behavior the police have now. Its obviously retardare.

[Baler]

There is a proper and legal way to file a complaint. Give your opinion sure freedom of speech.

Rioting is not appropriate. The crazy warped part people don't get is they're rioting for a criminal. If they actually cared about the officer's actions they would voice their concerns in a legal way.

But oh no, we gotta loot and spray paint the city, break shit causing stress on an already stressed police force. Yeah Man glad you convinced me that rioting for criminals is normal and okay. (it's not)

[Jibartik]

If police were firemen:

"Oh no they are panicking and running towards the flames!"

https://i.imgur.com/D8olrEQ.gif

[Jibartik]

There is a proper and legal way to file a complaint. Give your opinion sure freedom of speech.

Bro this has been a debate for 60 years .

please dont gaslight me like we havent filed proper legal complaints about this.

[Baler]

How the fuck you going to post support to riot for criminals, Jibartik

Just because it's not in your backyard and you can't see it, then it's fine?
Just because the talking heads on mainstream media aren't shoving it in your face, then it's fine?

[Jibartik]

so take this for example:

cause and effect.

Run from cops? risk getting shot.

Shoot people running from cops? risk peopel riotting.

Being aware of the obvious, does not mean I support it. It means Im aware of the obvious.

Like the idea that you think i support riots, is just a gigantic example of jumping to conclusions. You're leaping across a continent to get there.

How after my arguments, could you possibly land on "oh jib supports riots for criminals"..?

[Baler]

I already heard you repeat yourself, I can't bring him back to life and make the officer unshoot him.

LOOK UP ALL THE FUCKING VIDEOS ABOUT THE RIOTING IN Minnesota FOR THE PAST 4 FUCKING NIGHTS.

How we proceed forward is what matters, Rioting is not the solution.

It's like you're going lalalala, there is no rioting, lalalala officer killed him, lalalal
wake the fuck up man

[Jibartik]

Just because the talking heads on mainstream media aren't shoving it in your face

Speaking of shoving things in faces, I should be totally cool with suffocation as a means to subdue someone?

https://youtu.be/NvlImdI29WY?t=90

Because wanting to reform our police department so it isnt like Brazile means Im a socialist cuck who watches mainstream media and supports riots?

Shame.

[Kaveh]

being 17 and not understanding the responsibility of an adult? that's a shooting.

being in your 30s and trained to deal with crisis situations and shooting someone? that's a slap on the wrist.

ATTN: cops should have not even proceeded with the arrest until they had him at the back of his car with the drivers side door closed.

There are so many mistakes they made before the fatal one. Like putting a warrent out for someone because of a clerical mistake, for example.

Tragic.

In my dreams I'd expect hear the sound of TASER TASER TASER as I think about that small mistake, till the day I died if I was his mother.

My issue is that this is somehow made racial

This is pure stupidity, not racism.

[Jibartik]

I agree, that's absurd to think this was racially motivated.

But man, if there is one thing Ive learned is that everyone is soooooo dumb.

I used to think it was religion that made them dumb but our generation proved its just that we're dumb.

[Horza]

How the fuck you going to post support to riot for criminals, Jibartik

Just because it's not in your backyard and you can't see it, then it's fine?
Just because the talking heads on mainstream media aren't shoving it in your face, then it's fine?

https://i.imgur.com/6yv5bwj.jpg

[cd288]

I already heard you repeat yourself, I can't bring him back to life and make the officer unshoot him.

LOOK UP ALL THE FUCKING VIDEOS ABOUT THE RIOTING IN Minnesota FOR THE PAST 4 FUCKING NIGHTS.

How we proceed forward is what matters, Rioting is not the solution.

It's like you're going lalalala, there is no rioting, lalalala officer killed him, lalalal
wake the fuck up man

Baler I’m not saying I support rioting but I think you missed his initial point. He was just commenting on your earlier comment which seemed to imply that no one has tried proper legal avenues/complaints about these situations. Contradicting your point on that item does not equal supporting rioting. Chill out.

[Baler]

Baler I’m not saying I support rioting but I think you missed his initial point. He was just commenting on your earlier comment which seemed to imply that no one has tried proper legal avenues/complaints about these situations. Contradicting your point on that item does not equal supporting rioting. Chill out.

heh,. You can say chill out now because you weren't flinging responses back to back.
I was machine gunning responses to Jibartik who was machine gunning responses back to me.

I'm sure they aged like milk but it's easy to look back and go, you said words wrong having 20 20 vision.

[cd288]

My issue is that this is somehow made racial

This is pure stupidity, not racism.

I think the point those people are trying to make is not that the mistakes equate to racism, I think peoples’ implication is that these situations tend to happen more with black people than with white people; I.e. with black people cops get into situations with much greater frequency where these mistakes could then possibly be made.

Not saying I agree or disagree with that, just stating what their position is.

[Baler]

I think the point those people are trying to make is not that the mistakes equate to racism, I think peoples’ implication is that these situations tend to happen more with black people than with white people; I.e. with black people cops get into situations with much greater frequency where these mistakes could then possibly be made.

Not saying I agree or disagree with that, just stating what their position is.

daunte white made his own choice to sell drugs, evade police with an active warrant and resist arrest.

The officer which everyone seems to focus on fucked up. I can't say if she was under trained or just made a mistake that ended up costing someone their life.

You can't however blame the officer for daunte white being a criminal. Had he went in to court and got out the same day with a court date for his initial warrant, he would still be alive. Had he not resisted arrest, he would still be alive.

My issue is that this is somehow made racial

This is pure stupidity, not racism.
This

[Jibartik]

Its just a matter of do you believe the justice system? or do you believe in law enfocment officers.

There are better ways to deal with this shit, like teaching our ignorant dipshit cops to close the fucking driver side door and take them to the back of the fucking car before revealing you are going to arrest them holy shit this is not that hard to understand. I just dont get why its a debate.

[Baler]

Stupid comes in all colors and shapes.

@Jibartik do you have video of them pulling him over and how it began? I'd like to see the full video.

[Jibartik]

Stupid comes in all colors and shapes.

Yeah, but that doesnt mean you just throw a unform on everyone them, give em a gun and let god sort it out.

The solution is called higher standards.

The problem is the administration.

@Jibartik do you have video of them pulling him over and how it began? I'd like to see the full video.

No but he very calmly exited his vehical and imidiatly the cop turns him around to face his open drivers die door and starts handcuffing him, which is retardare.

https://youtu.be/DgAUrDTUk4Q?t=13

It's like if someone gave me their baby to take care of, and I just drop it on the floor because I was holding it by balancing it on one hand, then I go, "your stupid baby was all wiggly!"

[Baler]

If we want to embrace the officer aspect I do think female officers and older officers rely on their firearm too much.

Firearms are an equalizer,
a smaller female officer can't always take down a criminal. That's not sexist that's science. So they pull out their firearm to show the criminal hey don't fuck with me we're equal here.
Older officers use their firearm for a similar reason. They don't want to get dragged to the ground and scuffed. So they pull out their firearm to show the criminal hey don't fuck with me we're equal here.

So it is very possible that the female officer was presented with a situation that caused a muscle response. Something subconscious. Then having someone yelling in your ear to pull the trigger, it just happened.

[Horza]

I'm interested in hearing more about the misogynist perspective.

[HalflingSpergand]

Firearms are great

[Jibartik]

the police department works like this:

Study to pass tests, and then you get a promotion.

Imagine if a nurse just took a paper test to become a surgeon.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to go to that surgeon.

[myrddraal]

https://i.imgur.com/uSDVbrc.png

Civilians acting as vigilantes and killing people isn't policing their city. It also wasnt his city or even his business. They were also too young to open carry that gun in the state he did it in. Castle defense doctrine also only applies if it's your business or home, not someone else's. Sorry hes guilty as fuck of manslaughter and illegal possession of a firearm.

[RecondoJoe]

the police department works like this:

Study to pass tests, and then you get a promotion.

Imagine if a nurse just took a paper test to become a surgeon.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to go to that surgeon.

isnt that how people become surgeons though?

Someone said surgeons arent actually doctors

[Algustus]

I'm wondering which new character is actually an FBI agent trying to sort neck beards from psychotics with guns. I mean, Russia is hosting racist chat forums but if you want good old grown in us racism your chat options are getting limited. I'm all for cancel culture if it's about canceling racism.

[Jibartik]

isnt that how people become surgeons though?

Someone said surgeons arent actually doctors

No medical school takes 4 years to complete, but to become a doctor you'll also spend 3–7 years in residency.

[HalflingSpergand]

Fbi agents dont do anything stop living in fear u puss

[Baler]

I'm wondering which new character is actually an FBI agent trying to sort neck beards from psychotics with guns. I mean, Russia is hosting racist chat forums but if you want good old grown in us racism your chat options are getting limited. I'm all for cancel culture if it's about canceling racism.

are you afraid they will leak your fetish and kinks?

[HalflingSpergand]

Ifuxkin love guns

[hobart]

It's possible to be outraged over cops needlessly killing citizens. It's also possible to be simultaneously outraged over rioting and mayhem in the streets.

Black people have a reason to be distrustful of police. At the same time, fighting with the cops is a bad idea no matter what your skin tone is.

When you can't hold two complex thoughts in your head at the same time, you just might be a Trumptard. Or part of the illiberal left.

Also, de-funding the police is stupid and doesn't even mean anything that any critical mass of people can agree on.

[myrddraal]

It's possible to be outraged over cops needlessly killing citizens. It's also possible to be simultaneously outraged over rioting and mayhem in the streets.

Black people have a reason to be distrustful of police. At the same time, fighting with the cops is a bad idea no matter what your skin tone is.

When you can't hold two complex thoughts in your head at the same time, you just might be a Trumptard. Or part of the illiberal left.

Also, de-funding the police is stupid and doesn't even mean anything that any critical mass of people can agree on.

If we would do things like legalize and regulate drugs it would A - take money out of cartel hands, B - make police spend less time on it which means they can allocate more resources toward better things (and subsequently tax payers for the prison system, courts etc) C - generate tons of tax revenue. Thats a piece of "defunding the police." Them just pissing away money on a war on drugs that we've known would fail since inception because the same thing failed with prohibition is just an awful use of police time and tax payer money.

Defunding the police is also like, dont buy them like...tanks...because it is extremely rare they would ever need them.

[HalflingSpergand]

i LOVE GUNS

[Cassawary]

Defunding the police is also like, dont buy them like...tanks...because it is extremely rare they would ever need them.

not buy, they get those free from the defense logistics agency. but they do have to pay to maintain them. i think it's a good alternative to scrapping or mothballing them.

[Kaveh]

I already heard you repeat yourself, I can't bring him back to life and make the officer unshoot him.

LOOK UP ALL THE FUCKING VIDEOS ABOUT THE RIOTING IN Minnesota FOR THE PAST 4 FUCKING NIGHTS.

How we proceed forward is what matters, Rioting is not the solution.

It's like you're going lalalala, there is no rioting, lalalala officer killed him, lalalal
wake the fuck up man

Minneapolis should probably be nuked honestly

[Baler]

Minneapolis should probably be nuked honestly

I'm not sure how well Minneapolis has been repaired since the summers of 2020. They were burning down buildings left and right there. I'm quite sure no one wants that to happen again anywhere.

People are boarding up their businesses in preparation of the derek chauvin trial verdict. It's pretty screwed up to expect riots based on chauvin verdict.

[Cassawary]

I'm not sure how well Minneapolis has been repaired since the summers of 2020. They were burning down buildings left and right there. I'm quite sure no one wants that to happen again anywhere.

People are boarding up their businesses in preparation of the derek chauvin trial verdict. It's pretty screwed up to expect riots based on chauvin verdict.

Stability demands that he be convicted. Anything less would be uncivilized.

[G13]

Stability demands that he be convicted. Anything less would be uncivilized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJMabRbuN3c

[BlackBellamy]

Stability demands that he be convicted. Anything less would be uncivilized.

Just call in the Get Along Guy. He'll make everything better afterwards!

https://imgur.com/A7sQkQC.jpg

[starkind]

This is just plain old regular normal civil unrest guys. If people weren't sick. Not on drugs. Commiting suicide/homicide. or spoiling for fights. Had stuff to do. Didn't rely on bad food, and could take a few days or even a week off if necessary this wouldn't be happening.

Just walk away from the TV and sit outside for a few minutes somewhere quiet where the roaring engines aren't consuming the frequencies. Preferably under some leaves or near some water. In the shade.

Or just put your headphones on and load up some North Karana.

[Jibartik]

We have it so good that doing chores feel like the inquisition.

[starkind]

We have it so good that doing chores feel like the inquisition.

tru a lot of us

Starkind would go get a job as a maid, there's a lot of money to be made. Gotta charge $20 an hr tho.

What is sad is all the good office jobs got outsourced to Beijing and India. Grrrrr.

Starkind used to work in an office with a gym and a spa and could take 1hr 30 minute breaks. Why is this no longer for realz for everyone?

[Gwaihir]

tru a lot of us

Starkind would go get a job as a maid, there's a lot of money to be made. Gotta charge $20 an hr tho.

What is sad is all the good office jobs got outsourced to Beijing and India. Grrrrr.

Starkind used to work in an office with a gym and a spa and could take 1hr 30 minute breaks. Why is this no longer for realz for everyone?


I put a hamster wheel in my lizards terrarium so that his prey are in peak physical health.

[zodium]

tru a lot of us

Starkind would go get a job as a maid, there's a lot of money to be made. Gotta charge $20 an hr tho.

What is sad is all the good office jobs got outsourced to Beijing and India. Grrrrr.

Starkind used to work in an office with a gym and a spa and could take 1hr 30 minute breaks. Why is this no longer for realz for everyone?

https://i.imgur.com/TzG2er5.png

[Jibartik]

Progressive citizens in a nutshell :p https://youtu.be/EkDOuRAwrYE

[HalflingSpergand]

The cheapest property you can buy it's the most isolated quiet and peaceful so there's not much to complain about u have to choose to lose

[Jibartik]

The cheapest property you can buy it's the most isolated quiet and peaceful so there's not much to complain about u have to choose to lose

https://i.imgur.com/yQie6Xu.png

[starkind]

It's OK to be offended, headbopping is pretty voilent and offensive and aggressive in it's own right tho.

[starkind]

I put a hamster wheel in my lizards terrarium so that his prey are in peak physical health.

That's very generous of you :D

Bet your lizard is pretty strong too.

[HalflingSpergand]

Unabomber is probably just a case of bull shiiiiiit

This is what happens if you leave society. Does this make u choose sides? Please love me, look at me please, touch me

[Horza]

There's nothing like a bunch of conservatives having conniptions over the treatment of domestic terrorists to brighten your mood.

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/q5jUzUU.png

https://i.imgur.com/wLUtBIf.png

[HalflingSpergand]

Could be staged. I can't personally verify

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/BCoycOR.jpg

[HalflingSpergand]

Cgi

[HalflingSpergand]

911 and covid are complete bull shit and u think those things could be real, u just want to be owned

[Jibartik]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-15/california-to-use-satellites-to-find-greenhouse-gas-emitters

lol "well we found out the super emitters are the top 5% of the wealthy, so instead we're changing to target [low income emitters] with the satellite now... tickets will come in the mail!"

[HalflingSpergand]

U believe that shit???

[Cassawary]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-15/california-to-use-satellites-to-find-greenhouse-gas-emitters

lol "well we found out the super emitters are the top 5% of the wealthy, so instead we're changing to target [low income emitters] with the satellite now... tickets will come in the mail!"

Methane accounts for about 10% of California’s greenhouse gas emissions, but that share is growing as the state’s carbon dioxide pollution declines.

This gave me a wicked chuckle. Awful garbage website.

[Horza]

911 and covid are complete bull shit and u think those things could be real, u just want to be owned

This account is way too obvious and we both know that you can do better.

[Jibartik]

haha oh man, it will be funny 20 years from now when people are saying covid was fake but everyone who is listening to them will be like, "what was? I wasn't even alive for this covid thing youre talking about."

I almost forgot about 911 now that I think about it.

What is an al... an alam.. Alamo? I heard it had something to do with colonialism.

[Toxigen]

haha oh man, it will be funny 20 years from now when people are saying covid was fake but everyone who is listening to them will be like, "what was? I wasn't even alive for this covid thing youre talking about."

I almost forgot about 911 now that I think about it.

What is an al... an alam.. Alamo? I heard it had something to do with colonialism.

Never forget the twin towers.

But....forget about WTC 7.

[Baler]

haha oh man, it will be funny 20 years from now when people are saying covid was fake but everyone who is listening to them will be like, "what was? I wasn't even alive for this covid thing youre talking about."

Covid isn't going away, it's here to stay. It's already mutating like the flu.
Hope this helps

[Jibartik]

But....forget about WTC 7.

hahaha

Covid isn't going away, it's here to stay. It's already mutating like the flu.
Hope this helps

Still mutating slower! But I'd love to see another year of shut ins tbh. That would certainly push us over the edge...

And you know what outcome (https://imgur.com/qOIIa00) Id prefer deep down lmao :o

[Baler]

Well the problem is we'll need an updated covid shot. (big pharma makes even more $$$)
They're already preparing for a "covid booster" shot, look it up i'm not bullshitting you.

And lest we not forget, all that rioting last summer, How much covid do you think was spread due to that. People have to stop living in fear and we need to protect the weak/vulnerable.

[HalflingSpergand]

There's no covid

[Horza]

The Moon is fake.

[Baler]

Closing on the Derek Chauvin trial is set for Monday.

Progressive cities better start boarding up their businesses this weekend.

:(

[starkind]

Well the problem is we'll need an updated covid shot. (big pharma makes even more $$$)
They're already preparing for a "covid booster" shot, look it up i'm not bullshitting you.

And lest we not forget, all that rioting last summer, How much covid do you think was spread due to that. People have to stop living in fear and we need to protect the weak/vulnerable.

Only one way to make those biotechnology engineering degrees pay out...

Sadly biotechnology is the modern warfront as well. 99% sure this is economic warfare between east/west.

Deus Ex game called it.

[Byue]

What is the correlation between playing a 20 years old game and being retardedly on the right?

Because this game has too much neocons for this to be a coincidence.

[Gwaihir]

hahaha



Still mutating slower! But I'd love to see another year of shut ins tbh. That would certainly push us over the edge...

And you know what outcome (https://imgur.com/qOIIa00) Id prefer deep down lmao :o

Amen
Jesus is the only way, brother.

[Horza]

What is the correlation between playing a 20 years old game and being retardedly on the right?

Because this game has too much neocons for this to be a coincidence.

Reactionaries idolize the past.

[starkind]

starkinds uncle was a member of one of those mormon cults, the leader did get assasinated and the land took back, he had some stories to tell, everyone always were like 'but weren't the women abused?' and he was like 'they didn't pay taxes'. and having no electricity was a crime (very progressive stance aka anti electricity)

yeah it sux, but still not clear if the women and children were safe or OK in that camp this was like 50 years ago before waco

this wheel keeps on turnin... looking like expanse season 1 is going to be very accurate

[Cassawary]

What is the correlation between playing a 20 years old game and being retardedly on the right?

Because this game has too much neocons for this to be a coincidence.

Trumpkins aren't neocons.

[Byue]

if MAGA is not neocon, not sure what neocon is.

the only good alt right is the one you punched good night to.

[Cassawary]

if MAGA is not neocon, not sure what neocon is.

the only good alt right is the one you punched good night to.

it shows

[Kaveh]

it shows

[Gwaihir]

if MAGA is not neocon, not sure what neocon is.

the only good alt right is the one you punched good night to.

You've never been in a fight in your life, pussy. You would just get beat up.

[Horza]

You've never been in a fight in your life, pussy. You would just get beat up.

Calm down, Teppler. Nobody better mention Heather Heyer or he'll have to move on to account number five.

[Kaveh]

He was Throndor. Is that also teppler?

[Horza]

Yes.

[Topgunben]

Defunding the police while simultaneously charging civvies for manslaughter/murder2 every time someone gets spicy and stupid is really dumb and fascist. I do not know how to more plainly state this.

We are somewhere between a police state and something else, and we are trying to dance around real punishments for being awful/criminal. While simultaneously virtuesinging about fairness and equality, when we can't even pay a police officers medical bills/transition expenses.

So, um.

You have lost your mind.

[Kaveh]

Lol transition expenses

We don’t pay for cancer treatment. Sorry trannies, no hatred for you from me but get in the back of the line for your very niche issue that’s also exorbitantly expensive

[starkind]

Don't worry guys. Pretty sure magnetaress is just being a smart ass and just very gay.

Starkind would like to provide mental health and spiritual retreats to all :p

[Byue]

ne·o·con
/ˌnēōˈkän/
Learn to pronounce
NORTH AMERICAN
noun
plural noun: neocons
(in politics) a person with neoconservative views.

Make. America. Great. Again.
With all the rhetoric to go back to ancient glory with radical new ideas because the swamp is drained.

You know. NEOCONSERVATISM.

Either you guys are brutally ignorant or top notch trolls.

[Kaveh]

Neocons weren’t Trump fans buddy. Stick to Canada

[Tethler]

ne·o·con
/ˌnēōˈkän/
Learn to pronounce
NORTH AMERICAN
noun
plural noun: neocons
(in politics) a person with neoconservative views.

Make. America. Great. Again.
With all the rhetoric to go back to ancient glory with radical new ideas because the swamp is drained.

You know. NEOCONSERVATISM.

Either you guys are brutally ignorant or top notch trolls.

You should stop now while you're behind

[Baler]

Byue you honestly dropped the ball with that post.

[G13]

ne·o·con
/ˌnēōˈkän/
Learn to pronounce
NORTH AMERICAN
noun
plural noun: neocons
(in politics) a person with neoconservative views.

Make. America. Great. Again.
With all the rhetoric to go back to ancient glory with radical new ideas because the swamp is drained.

You know. NEOCONSERVATISM.

Either you guys are brutally ignorant or top notch trolls.

Canada is full of losers

Change My Mind

[Cassawary]

https://i.imgur.com/rWJFV.jpg

[Byue]

I mean, just from a narrative perspective, I shouldn't respond because, why?
So you can one line it down?

Why did I drop the ball.
Simple question.
Let's see the answer.


Yeah Canada is full of losers but...
America is full of uneducated fatties who like to think of themselves as a special race, something like Aryan exceptionalism wait I meant to say American.

[Kaveh]

I mean, just from a narrative perspective, I shouldn't respond because, why?
So you can one line it down?

Why did I drop the ball.
Simple question.
Let's see the answer.


Yeah Canada is full of losers but...
America is full of uneducated fatties who like to think of themselves as a special race, something like Aryan exceptionalism wait I meant to say American.

Neocon means something specific, you’re making Canada look very very bad right now. not even Letterkenny can make up for your posts

[Byue]

of course, neocon is something very specific, it's a word.
Critics of neoconservatism have used the term to describe foreign policy and war hawks who support aggressive militarism or neo-imperialism.

Did you know that neocons LOVE neoliberalism?
Wow. the word liberal is in there. Scary. Probably very on the left. (lol)


Basically, why do you hate socialism?
please use words to describe capitalism to me.

Edit: and there are lots of people here who support aggressive militarism or neo-imperialism, with war hawkish views of their foreign policy.
You know. Fucking neocons.

edit2: fucking ignorant turd piece of white trash american't even open a god damned book to get to read better and learn stuff.

[Wrekt]

https://abc7news.com/oakland-reallocates-$10m-to-police-and-fire-departments/10511555/



Imagine thinking that defunding the police would help society in any way

If throwing money/equipment and making them totally not held responsible for anything they do while wearing a badge helped, then America would have low to no crime. But, that's not the fucking case at all.

dumb fuck

[HalflingSpergand]

Pee pee poo poo gaga goo goo

Im pro gun and pro sobriety and pro Christ

If everyone was armed and sober and sought Christ i dont think we would have any issues.

What label do i get?

U guessed it, a Nazi

[Baler]

aint it gr8 how Byue screws up and instead of taking the blow, they double down.

-----
did you all know one of geroge floyd's former girlfriends was a teacher for daunte white.

[Byue]

Pee pee poo poo gaga goo goo

Im pro gun and pro sobriety and pro Christ

If everyone was armed and sober and sought Christ i dont think we would have any issues.

What label do i get?

U guessed it, a Nazi


Well I think.
And it's fucking more complicated than that.

Wat am I?

oh you guessed it, a bunch of insults and a constant reminder I am not American and thus, a second class citizen in this world of yours.

Plus I am wrong.
And fuck me.
line up the leftists and shoot us it would be so much better.


of course you're not a nazi.
(lol)

[HalflingSpergand]

Im tellin you I'm a Nazi

Stupid canadian

[Horza]

Im tellin you I'm a Nazi

Stupid canadian

Fascist is more accurate really.

[Kaveh]

Well I think.
And it's fucking more complicated than that.

Wat am I?

oh you guessed it, a bunch of insults and a constant reminder I am not American and thus, a second class citizen in this world of yours.

Plus I am wrong.
And fuck me.
line up the leftists and shoot us it would be so much better.


of course you're not a nazi.
(lol)

No one wants to shoot you dude, that’s a waste of a bullet

[Byue]

Im tellin you I'm a Nazi

Stupid canadian

oh, I called you a nazi as well, it was just more subtle.
edit: wasn't it obvious... to you, the master race?



As for the neocons.
Basically, this.

"Neoconservatives, however, tend to pay more attention than traditional conservatives to cultural matters and the mass media—to music, art, literature, theatre, film, and, more recently, television and the Internet—because they believe that a society defines itself and expresses its values through these means. Western (and particularly American) society, they charge, has become amoral, adrift, and degenerate."

It's the same when we call you nazis, or fucking fascists and you'Re like BUT i AM NOT A GERMAN LIVING IN 1939-1945 ACTIVELY GASSING JEWS, HOW CAN I BE A NAZI?!

Dude grow up.
Too many neocons here.

[G13]

Fascist is more accurate really.

Nah that's the Democrat Party

Nice try though

[indiscriminate_hater]

oh, I called you a nazi as well, it was just more subtle.
edit: wasn't it obvious... to you, the master race?



As for the neocons.
Basically, this.

"Neoconservatives, however, tend to pay more attention than traditional conservatives to cultural matters and the mass media—to music, art, literature, theatre, film, and, more recently, television and the Internet—because they believe that a society defines itself and expresses its values through these means. Western (and particularly American) society, they charge, has become amoral, adrift, and degenerate."

It's the same when we call you nazis, or fucking fascists and you'Re like BUT i AM NOT A GERMAN LIVING IN 1939-1945 ACTIVELY GASSING JEWS, HOW CAN I BE A NAZI?!

Dude grow up.
Too many neocons here.

This is just sad

[Byue]

Basically, if I call neocons neocons, they are upset and say things like this is sad, without explaining their overwhelming sadness because those people elevate the discussion they take part in but if some neocon talk about democratic party being actual fascists, none of you will line up to say how stupid that is.

oh, hypocrisy, double standards, how you hold me close.


Also, literally people here complain about the degeneracy of the US, the importance of religion, the place of the empire and how multiculturalism sucks and you got the guts to say this is not neoconservatism and how fucking uneducated are you, on the scale of American, Alabama or like West Virginia?
Either way sounds like imbredism an is this the fabled american exceptionalism?

[Horza]

Nah that's the Democrat Party

Nice try though

How else would you describe trying to toss out an election and install an autocrat?

[Baler]

Progressive Leadership = More Riots this coming Monday.

[Byue]

Progressive Leadership = More Riots this coming Monday.

I'm sorry either the left broke everything and ruined and burned and looted city during the great leadership of the only president who matters or what you just said sort of insult the old president more than the current one.

Pick what you want, but immigrants cannot be both lazy and coming for the benefits and at the same time stealing all the jobs and your girl.

Pick one.

[Toxigen]

Can't wait until all kids are forcibly taught LGBTQ+ bullshit in public education at age 10.

[HalflingSpergand]

There's no reason to have your kids in public school

[Byue]

Can't wait until all kids are forcibly taught LGBTQ+ bullshit in public education at age 10.

I much rather have them elarn the way of the capitalist.

You see Eddie, Eddie is weak and not that smart. If you trade him garbage, he will give you a sandwich. Go for it, this is smart.

You see Sarah?
she's a woman. Have her work a lot but tell her her work is not skilled labour so you don't have to pay her!

See Jamal? He's black. Fuck him. Bottom feeder. If he ask for food, make sure he pays first. No money, no fucking food. Starve bitch.


You know. REAL values not like that LGBTQ+ bullshit where they teach kids that they can express themselves and that it is ok to be yourself even if it means you like boys even if you are a boy.



Haling: don't kid yourself, you are not rich enough to send the kid you don't have in private school.

I mean, I get it tho.
If you had kids, you wouldn't want them turning out like those muslim kids, learning only the curriculum their parents want so keep them at home, or send them to private school where you can monitor exactly what they hear and see so they don't turn into oh wait.


You guys are like 1/10 human beings.
For all the talk of cleansing you guys talk, it should definitely start with yourselves.
The world would be a better place without your racism. or a better place with ONLY racists in it. Either or. Let's talk about that.

Like how do you wake up in the morning hating so many people and thinking you're the good guy? How can you stand with the powerful against the powerless and claim to be even a half decent person?

Literally garbage, all of you republicans.

[Byue]

Can't wait until all kids are forcibly taught LGBTQ+ bullshit in public education at age 10.


should we cancel LGBTQ+ HUMANS or just the books this year, republicans?

I mean I get it, cancel culture sucks but it's so much fun to ban books because they have faggot characters.

[HalflingSpergand]

Nazi=republican= fascist?

Can't possibly be all of those

[indiscriminate_hater]

Byue when they conferred your gender studies degree did they convince you that you deserve as much pay and respect as other professions?

[G13]

How else would you describe trying to toss out an election and install an autocrat?

Illegal votes are tossed out all the time

It's called a fair election

[Horza]

Illegal votes are tossed out all the time

It's called a fair election

It's only fair when your guy wins?

[G13]

It's only fair when your guy wins?

Not at all

Obama won twice and his voter enthusiasm and popularity reflected that

[Horza]

The sad part is you'll spend the next three years trying to convince people who think you're a brainwashed idiot that it was mathematically impossible for Diaper Don to lose.

[Danth]

...and how fucking uneducated are you, on the scale of American, Alabama or like West Virginia?

Literally garbage, all of you republicans.

Like how do you wake up in the morning hating so many people and thinking you're the good guy?

They do it the same way you do, apparently. Hating people because of their political leaning, or looking down on rural whites as opposed to blacks or immigrants, doesn't make you any less of a bigot than the folks you're railing against. Same coin, different side.

Danth

[bubur]

Former Democratic Sebastopol mayor Robert Jacob arrested on five felonies of sexual crimes against minors (https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/former-sebastopol-mayor-robert-jacob-arrested-on-suspicion-of-sex-with-a-ch/?sba=AAS)

[Horza]

Former Democratic Sebastopol mayor Robert Jacob arrested on five felonies of sexual crimes against minors (https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/former-sebastopol-mayor-robert-jacob-arrested-on-suspicion-of-sex-with-a-ch/?sba=AAS)

Lock him and Matt Gaetz up.

[G13]

Lock him and Matt Gaetz up.

CNN admitted the Gaetz story is just propaganda

The sad part is you'll spend the next three years trying to convince people who think you're a brainwashed idiot that it was mathematically impossible for Diaper Don to lose.

Well since you think math is racist now it's not like you'd understand it

[Byue]

They do it the same way you do, apparently. Hating people because of their political leaning, or looking down on rural whites as opposed to blacks or immigrants, doesn't make you any less of a bigot than the folks you're railing against. Same coin, different side.

Danth

Oh, we can disagree there.
Critics of food complain about food, constantly yet I think secretly, or not even so secretly, they love food.

I am trying to say that I love most people.
I don't even cheer when something bad happen to a group of people I dislike.

But you disagree with a leftist, you don't have that 15$ an hour minimum wage.

You disagree with a right winger, your entire family gets deported, they suppress your vote, racially profile you, try to take away your reproductive rights.

it's not technically the same hate.
"ah you guys are idiot it would have been nice if we ALL got paid 15$ an hour!"

"aw, you voted in a guy who won't deport you, say other countries are shit hole, IT MUST HAVE BEEN FRAUD. WHAT? NO EVIDENCE! THIS OBVIOUSLY MEANS THERE IS MASSIVE FRAUD. storm the capitol! Kill people! chant hang mike pence!


Really not the same hate bruv.

I hate they can't see we trying to help.
I hate they are stepping on our throats.

I feel for them as individual because, uhm, as a leftist, I want EVERYONE to be included in the policies that affect them, their lives.

This is also something the left is being criticized for so what is it, we care about everyone too much or we hate just the same?

Because I never said, "the lgbtq+ lifestyle is being shoved down our throats" like some right winger here. (cough, cough, you know who that was) like I hate and want to exclude that group.

Hell, I still fight for red necks rights, they just too dumb to realize that and want to shove it to the libs even though really, we here to improve the lives of everyone, from the black kid to the white redneck grand-ma who need a new set of teeth.

There is something that everyone could use from the government.
It's called support.

But if you guys think we hate the same, just know, BLM is HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT.
Altright slogan is, "jews, will not, replace us!"

so, I'll let you figure outwho hates more.

[Horza]

CNN admitted the Gaetz story is just propaganda

https://i.imgur.com/2yofSgv.gif

[G13]

https://i.imgur.com/2yofSgv.gif

Oh hey back to memes!

CNN let the cat out of the bag on that one. Sorry your narrative blew up in your face.

[indiscriminate_hater]

BLM is HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT

But when easy to verify statistics disprove the main narrative of BLM, what is an enterprising, open-minded, yet critical person to think of it?

[Byue]

What I love about it is you can see that democrats are nice people and republicans pieces of shit.


pssst, kids, Hilary Clinton manages an international pedo ring from the basement of a pizzeria in chicago.

Pssst, kids, Matt Gaetz story is bullshit, Trump won the election and Rudy Giuliani is cool!


Jesus fuck.
stop doing drugs man reality is slipping you by.

[bubur]

i dont know you dont sound like a nice guy

you sound like an angry and mean guy

[Horza]

Oh hey back to memes!

CNN let the cat out of the bag on that one. Sorry your narrative blew up in your face.

Matt Gaetz's iPhone seized by the FBI in sex trafficking probe, as associate cooperates with investigation. (https://www.businessinsider.com/matt-gaetz-iphone-seized-fbi-sex-trafficking-probe-2021-4)

[Byue]

i dont know you dont sound like a nice guy

you sound like an angry and mean guy

I mean you can judge a book by all the cover you want.
I feel for you.

Look at G13, or Kaveh, these guys are right wingers and would feel a lot better if most leftists were dead.

Yet the way they talk softly doesn't always show that.

[Cassawary]

CNN admitted the Gaetz story is just propaganda


fake tinder dates is universe-tier scumbagging, no wonder he got banned

[indiscriminate_hater]

Fascinating how left-wing folks clam up the second you mention hard facts that challenge their narratives. It's pretty telling.

It's also amusing seeing a Canadian try to critique the US when their entire population has been fucked by foreign interests and the highest levels of Canadian government that sold the country out to those interests in the first place. Sorry your next generation won't be able to afford fresh groceries, let alone a house.

[Toxigen]

Fascinating how left-wing folks clam up the second you mention hard facts that challenge their narratives. It's pretty telling.

It's also amusing seeing a Canadian try to critique the US when their entire population has been fucked by foreign interests and the highest levels of Canadian government that sold the country out to those interests in the first place. Sorry your next generation won't be able to afford fresh groceries, let alone a house.

well said

[Byue]

Now now, who said what?
Did I hear an American criticize canada?
BUT YOU DON'T EVEN LIVE HERE. HOW CAN YOU CRITICIZE?
So weird to have you criticize the whole world and then if we criticize your shitty country you get upset.

Uh.

So tell me wise person who seem so aware of Canadian politics, who sold what to who and why will the kids I don't have not be able to buy groceries?

[Toxigen]

Now now, who said what?
Did I hear an American criticize canada?
BUT YOU DON'T EVEN LIVE HERE. HOW CAN YOU CRITICIZE?
So weird to have you criticize the whole world and then if we criticize your shitty country you get upset.

Uh.

So tell me wise person who seem so aware of Canadian politics, who sold what to who and why will the kids I don't have not be able to buy groceries?

https://i.imgur.com/44PwbCx.png

[Horza]

Conservatives don't know how to meme (see above).

[Danth]

Hell, I still fight for red necks rights

Thanks for the level response. I understand your side--I'm fundamentally of a liberal mindset as well--now put yourself in the place of someone living where I live. Are you fighting for them as much as you think? Folks here have had about enough of the government "helping." I've spent my entire life watching the results of such "help." I live in rural Ohio. If you draw a box on a map between a few of the most run-down rust-belt cities out there (Akron, Mansfield, Cleveland, etc) that's basically the region I live in.

--How helpful was it to ship manufacturing jobs overseas and replace them with nothing? Our economy is a smoldering ruin of what it once was. It has not recovered. The government has resorted to "cooking the books" and altering some of its definitions in an effort to make things look better than they are, so folks from elsewhere might not realize it, but it's all too evident in the street.

--How helpful was it to mandate cross-city bussing in the big cities, driving white flight and leading to the destruction of the urban centers? My folks didn't move out of Cleveland because they had any problem with blacks, they moved out because they didn't want their kids riding the bus an hour and a half-plus each way every day.

--How helpful is it to keep denigrating rural whites as a bunch of "rednecks?" My neck isn't red and I don't think I'm stupid.

--How helpful is it to permit unchecked immigration which drives down an already-depressed job market? Folks don't hate immigrants because they have a tan, they hate them because they'll work for peanuts thanks to favorable exchange rates. Some entire industries which used to be decent careers, like construction, have become practically closed off to Americans who actually need to make a living in this country. Again--replaced with nothing.

This stuff isn't helping. All that has happened was a once-thriving region has been left to decay and decline. Over the course of my life I've watched the government keep promising it's here to help while the local region's cities have become run-down ghettos full of abandoned mills and empty lots. Cleveland has barely a third of the population it once had. I've watched drug and alcohol addiction skyrocket while Uncle Sam complains about the symptom while doing nothing to address the cause (economic hardship). I've watched other regions apparently do okay while this region is ignored or degraded. Of course it drives resentment!

No, "move away" isn't an option, either. That's condescending. If everyone moved away it'd just create a glut of labor wherever they moved to and the problem remains. A national government shouldn't simply write off entire regions of the nation. Folks in regions like this aren't angry for the fun of it, they're angry because they've spent decades watching their communities and livelihoods erode with nothing to replace it. Progress is nice, but not when progress means effectively kicking entire regions to the curb. That lack of replacement is what differs this "new economy" from the switch from agriculture to manufacturing a century-plus ago. Those old jobs were replaced with better jobs. Today jobs are simply evaporating with no replacement. The dirty little secret of the nation is that there are more workers than jobs, now, and that problem will only worsen with time. Most of the U.S.'s history was defined by a near-constant shortage of labor, but that's no longer the case and likely never will be again. Sooner or later something will have to give.

Danth

[Byue]

Conservatives don't know how to meme (see above).

I c wat u did der

[Horza]

Folks don't hate immigrants because they have a tan, they hate them because they'll work for peanuts thanks to favorable exchange rates.

This sort of rhetoric is why your boy Trump lost.

[Toxigen]

uj0mtxXEGE8

[Danth]

This sort of rhetoric is why your boy Trump lost.

Eh? You don't know me so well as you think. I did not vote for him. At any rate it's not mere rhetoric, it's very real. Industries like construction and agriculture routinely pay immigrant workers (legal or illegal, they don't care) very little, usually under the table with no benefits. It's abusive to the immigrants too, and I quite firmly support measures to ensure equal protection for ALL employees, whether here legally or not, but nobody's interested in enforcing such things. But what would I know? I've only lived here my entire life and know folks and have family who operate such businesses and have to hire mexicans themselves because they have no choice since everyone else does and hence can operate at cheaper rates. It's far easier to sit and call it "Rhetoric" while ignoring the problem entirely I suppose.

Danth

[G13]

fake tinder dates is universe-tier scumbagging, no wonder he got banned

Charlie Chester

[Horza]

If you don't think many people in this country hate immigrants "because they have a tan" then you quite obviously haven't been paying attention for the last few decades.

[Danth]

If you don't think many people in this country hate immigrants "because they have a tan" then you quite obviously haven't been paying attention for the last few decades.

Ah, that's where you're coming from. I thought it was clear from context that I was referring to the norm around my own specific region. Around here the opposition is almost entirely of economic character. Elsewhere it could be other reasons, I make no claim either way in that case.

[Horza]

You don't think there are racists in rural Ohio??

[Byue]

I liked your response, Danth.
I can tell you put thoughts into this and you also feel for most.

I don't have all the answers yet I do have some, would you like them?
I don't know the rust belt as well as I would, mostly lived near the coast. (not many know but I was married to an American and lived in the USA a long time) From what I understand, rust belt, bible belt is similar in the sense that the education level is low and unskilled labourer, a plenty. The jobs were shipped overseas by capitalists who wanted to make more money by exploiting other people. I know there was no plan to shift jobs, as this is not the job of the free market and that it looks like the economy is in ruins and it is but luckily, you got Wall street and they made a bunch of moneys on your back. In fact, sending the jobs overseas initially dropped price enough to create a surge in demand.

The thing with the bus, I really don't get it, I won't lie.
However, this seems like poor planning. Yet for instance, bad planning isn't always planned intentionally tho sometimes, it is. Take the post service, conservatives made it
very difficult for the postal service to exist with laws forcing the service to fund all pensions before hiring new staff, etc.
I don't know what happened there and I don't even understand the situation but it sounds like most white people left American cities way back in the sixties when suburb was code for black-free. Now transportation should be a bipartisan issue and this is why I feel like this is the weakest of your argument.

It's not really helpful to bash anyone but if you live in a very rural community, chances are, you're not working for that high tech firm, or as a lawyer in the middle of a corn field, or an education based job but this does not mean you are uneducated and stupid.
However, if leftists do use redneck as a term, rednecks definitely use the term libtard.
Redneck still means hard working man.
Libtards means yeah.
So obviously, there are conservatives living in the city and liberals living in rural areas and it is useless to denigrate rural people as rednecks but then again, I think the people living in those rural areas have a pretty set idea of what a city dweller looks like.
This is a moot point because it's a bit outside of the discussion.



As for the immigrants, yes there is a favorable exchange rate but you do realize if they work in the USA they probably live in the USA as well and your local 7eleven still enjoys being paid in US dollars bro. I'm sorry that construction work used to be well paid work for guys who drop off high school but your country is not one of unskilled labour anymore, it's a country of brains building on brain job to rake in REAL money.
You cannot be number one by having a country full of cheap labour. Cheap labour, in a fully industrialized economy, should be immigrants even though it's bad for other reason. Notwithstanding all of this, immigration is definitely checked. There are strict laws. You even have a lottery.
And last but not least, the immigrants are american.
They also need to live.
You are American, you pull yourself up by the bootstrap.
right?

Basically, and I feel sad for you, you are angry at capitalists who emptied your city so they could better profit of exploiting other people in other countries.

You sound upset that while people struggled with food and water, Trump pointed out that wall street was doing great. This is what capitalists do.
They exploit your labour.

It's not the left's fault that your rich conservative boss moved his plant in Bangladesh.

You say progress is throwing an entire region under the bus.
I'm sorry, I feel like progress should have been expanding your portfolio and not putting all your eggs in one basket but it seems like some of the places you mentioned got eventually where they are because it was coal country. Shoal country. manufacturing belt country. etc. Weird how the place that thrive, now, are the places where people did not put all their eggs in one basket.

Weird how a very rich white dude moving hi plant oversea is somewhat the left's fault.


Look bruv, we tried to give you a union.
Look bruv, we tried to get you to be paid more so you could start your own coop and regenerate your own areas.

Basically, what I see here is a dude saying well I know I didn't go to school, I don't believe in school and I know all I have to sell is my body, to make money and that I am not very skilled but damn it, those portions of the economy that used to work for me are now closing off because unskilled labourer are cheaper everywhere else in the world and instead of changing with the times, I'ma cry for my coal job back and blame it on the left.

Which is wild.
Come on Danth.
You are better than this.

[Byue]

I love this thread.

The country is divided.
It burnt for a while.
500k dead from a pandemic.
Children in cages.

right wingers make an angry post after receiving a stimulus check: this is what progressive leadership looks like!


I mean everyone miss the crazy rant of a demented racist cuck -come on melania is a hoe-written in all caps lock at 4am but you got to admit, progressive leadership is stable and nice and you don't have to fact check the president or hear him wish ghislaine maxwell well.

[bubur]

I love this thread.

well you're always welcome here. as much as i find the connections and leaps you make basically intergalactic

i think you could relate a butterfly in alaska to an oil spill in lousiana, and it's poetry

stay a while, have some big sips

[Byue]

Well I know sometimes it feels like it is leap and bounds but that is because you take things individually.

Like what is the one thing connected to all of your failed relationships?
It's that cursed Egyptian amulet, get rid of it.

[bubur]

no, i am not going to stop playing everquest

fuck bitches get epics

[Danth]

Basically, and I feel sad for you, you are angry at capitalists who emptied your city so they could better profit of exploiting other people in other countries.

I agree. You'll note in my own post I generally avoided terms like 'right' and 'left.' The republican party around here has profited hugely by constantly reminding people that it was Clinton who signed NAFTA, but in actual practice "Team R" does nothing to help the local region, either. It's all pandering. My own home county was something like 85% pro-Trump in the last election. "Lopsided" doesn't even describe it adequately. I don't like seeing it because it becomes even easier for a government to ignore a region once it decides that region is a "lock" one way or the other and hence not worth caring about.

"Putting all their eggs in one basket" sidesteps the real issue: There are more workers than good jobs. You can't transplant millions of unemployed or under-employed rust belt'ers to California or Washington and suddenly see a bunch of new work materialize out of nowhere. You can tell people to go to college--and the government has--but all that has accomplished is a degradation of the relative value of a diploma again without driving any great job creation. The real solution--I don't know if it'll happen in my own lifetime or not--will be to somehow re-orient the economy to where full employment is no longer required or expected. If that sounds, well, slightly socialist then I'll simply point out I am not nor ever have been a Republican, even if I might occasionally vote for one. My parents were lifelong FDR democrats and my own political leaning, while distinct from theirs, still has a lot of that flavor to it.

-----------------------------------------

Horza: Sure there are some racist idiots around here, as with anyplace else. I am not going to paint the majority by the actions of a minority. That should be fair enough.

Danth

[Horza]

An Ohio lawmaker was fired from his job as a physician after asking at a hearing if the high rate of coronavirus cases among African-Americans was because “the colored population” did not wash their hands as well as other groups. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/politics/steve-huffman-african-americans-coronavirus.html)

[Toxigen]

well hes prob right

[G13]

An Ohio lawmaker was fired from his job as a physician after asking at a hearing if the high rate of coronavirus cases among African-Americans was because “the colored population” did not wash their hands as well as other groups. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/politics/steve-huffman-african-americans-coronavirus.html)

Well they are people of color

I would agree it's about as racist as assuming black voters don't know how to get an ID

[Byue]

fuck bitches get epics

Define, fuck?

[Jibartik]

Define, fuck?

"sebilis is off limits"

[Byue]

The real solution--I don't know if it'll happen in my own lifetime or not--will be to somehow re-orient the economy to where full employment is no longer required or expected


This is it.
Also, while it is true Clinton signed it into law, Reagan and his deregulation started the loop, if we are to be honest with ourselves. Actually, Reagan is a champion of neoliberalism and of Milton Friedman in general.

I like discussing with you.
You lean both ways and you are sensible.


There are problems in all spheres.
I think someone on this here forum said it best.

Conservatives: you're supposed to slow progress, not stall it entirely.


p.s: university does not create jobs the same way dropping out of high school doesn't create one, either but if you have an education, you got more to sell than your body. It obviously doe snot work for everybody because not everybody can go to school or even is inclined to do so but when in your life did you think, oh, learning about this is COMPLETELY USELESS. (most likely never happened because even useless knowledge ahs some uses and I would know, I have a baccalaureate in philosophy)

So basically, it doesn't have to be university but a worker's program where continuous education is propagated could do tons of good to revitalize a region.
I'm socialist and much worse than that so obviously, I have other solutions but this is one. Look, obviously, it's not the left's or the right's fault, it's rich individuals who choose freely to use the system in place to best their wallets.
Stop thinking otherwise.

You are free to get a vaccine or not?
This guy is free to move his company oversea where child labour is not illegal.
Be mad at that guy, not Clinton or Biden for fuck sake.

And chances are, that rich white dude who just moved his plant oversea?
Yeah. Chances are, he is republican.

Think about it for a second.

[Horza]

well hes prob right

Well they are people of color

I would agree it's about as racist as assuming black voters don't know how to get an ID

I can already see the midterms are going to be a lot of fun.

[indiscriminate_hater]

I have a baccalaureate in philosophy

A hyper left wing philosophy major who has no kids and is too blind to see what his own country's leadership is doing to itself. Could you be any less useful to society?

[G13]

I can already see the midterms are going to be a lot of fun.

Should be a clean sweep as long as the dirty dem cheating is nullified

[Horza]

Should be a clean sweep as long as the dirty dem cheating is nullified

Fascists want to throw out democratic elections when their preferred candidates lose.

[Cassawary]

The funny thing about the economy is boomers didn't have microwave popcorn when they were kids.

[Jibartik]

Should be a clean sweep as long as the dirty dem cheating is nullified

anyway trump could run for senator somewhere just to mix things up for the next 2 years before he sweeps the general? :D

[Wrekt]

They do it the same way you do, apparently. Hating people because of their political leaning, or looking down on rural whites as opposed to blacks or immigrants, doesn't make you any less of a bigot than the folks you're railing against. Same coin, different side.

Danth

You made years of logical, factual posts. Then you vomit some both sides brain rot. The changeup of the century. I expected better from you.

Disliking someone because they want to disenfranchise others, overthrow democracy, ruin the planet and support genocide is NORMAL and COOL. I'm not saying we should genocide them, but we should definitely stop them from achieving them aims by any means necessary. Would you like to help? No? Well, you're a fucking fascist piece of shit too. FUCK YOU. Oh, you want to help? Well, great, we can use more people who are against fascism. 8)

Are you one of those that thinks we should just ignore fascists? Should we appease them? Well, you need to crack a fucking history book if that's the case.

https://imgur.com/gallery/aLfAq

This is historically the closest thing to what just happened on January 6th:

https://www.history.com/topics/germany/beer-hall-putsch

Hitler got a year in prison, wrote his book and went on to actually succeed in installing his dictatorship. We all know nothing will happen to trump. He's rich and white in America. Yes, he's actually a billionaire because of his property holdings. He also stole a billion from us while he was president. With any luck, we can bleed him of some money. But, the rubes in America will pay for years and years because they are so fucking dumb. They believe in a magical sky fairy. They can be duped into anything...

Danth, you're probably my favorite commenter here. Be best. <3

[Jibartik]

Im told a bunch of random facts about vaccines too.

So i dont know if all the ones I'm told about trump are real either.

Im tired of the answer to my question to how things work or why people think things either being "you dont like science?" or "hitler trump supporter!"

[Trexller]

Im tired of the answer to my question to how things work or why people think things either being "you dont like science?" or "hitler trump supporter!"

The libs just don't have a real fight to fight, they don't have a stake in the game, and they don't have any real facts to cite. trump kicked ass and took names.

Then they cried "but he's a meanie"

He handled it like an old school mob boss, sitting down with the enemy, referring to them as friend etc.

who do you want to go and deal with Un, Xi, Putin? some creampuff pussy like the rest of the millenials?

No, you send a tough ol' bastard who will put those bitches in their place.

[Danth]

Trump can't be a new Hitler. He doesn't have the time. He's older than dirt and nobody defeats nature. Frankly I don't think he's smart enough, either. I worry for the future of this nation, but if some awful personality arises, it'll be someone from out of the back who we haven't seen all that much of quite yet.

That being said, I do indeed believe "both sides are bad." Not necessarily equally bad--I like to phrase it as one side's running towards a cliff while the other side's simply walking--but in general I do feel the federal government of the U.S. has become too corrupt for our good. Given its immense size and scope I see few solutions that don't either involve or eventually result in violence, hence worrying for the future of the nation.

Danth

[indiscriminate_hater]

https://imgur.com/gallery/aLfAq


So by this logic we should be very intolerant of muslim immigrants

[Jibartik]

but if some awful personality arises, it'll be someone from out of the back who we haven't seen all that much of quite yet.

https://i.imgur.com/OGh9B5E.png

[G13]

Fascists want to throw out democratic elections when their preferred candidates lose.

Which is exactly what the dirty dems did by flooding the last election with blatant fraud and not allowing poll watchers to do their duty to ensure everything was on the up and up

Not to mention two failed phony impeachments, a russian collusion hoax narrative and 24/7 media propaganda campaign (CNN admitted it all was) the previous 4 years

Showing ID to vote is not "throwing out an election"

Nice try though

[Trexller]

Voter ID laws are bad for the torrential downpour of future illegal immigrant votes.

Wanting only Americans to vote in American elections is racist.

[Cassawary]

Showing ID to vote is not "throwing out an election"

Nice try though

It is if ID wasn't the law at the time

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/2yofSgv.gif

[G13]

It is if ID wasn't the law at the time

There is always voter fraud in every election

It just depends on how much fraud

Has nothing to do with whether showing ID to vote or not is "The law at the time"

Clearly going forward it needs to be the law in every state. No exceptions.

[azeth]

If you believe there was election fraud in favor of Joe Biden in 2020 you should never be allowed to have an opinion on any subject for the remainder of your life. That is literally the dumbest imaginable position anyone on the planet could have about any topic, ever

[Jibartik]

If you believe there was election fraud in favor of Joe Biden in 2020 you should never be allowed to have an opinion on any subject for the remainder of your life. That is literally the dumbest imaginable position anyone on the planet could have about any topic, ever

no they believe thre is election fraud in their local elections.

I really wish one of you two yins would listen to the yangs just once. (either side, will one of you please actually argue against what the other side is arguing about? instead of what you think they are arguing about?)

Those elections are won with like literally hundreds of votes, so it is believable that there is an agenda, not a vast conspiracy, but an agenda.. especially if you think that the other side has an agenda to keep people from voting to win.

[azeth]

no they believe thre is election fraud in their local elections.

I really wish one of you two yins would listen to the yangs just once. (either side, will one of you please actually argue against what the other side is arguing about? instead of what you think they are arguing about?)

Those elections are won with like literally hundreds of votes, so it is believable that there is an agenda, not a vast conspiracy, but an agenda.. especially if you think that the other side has an agenda to keep people from voting to win.

Please go ahead and cite some instances of voter fraud

[Horza]

either side, will one of you please actually argue against what the other side is arguing about? instead of what you think they are arguing about?

Quit being obtuse, he said Trump only lost because of widespread fraud and I said it's a laughable conspiracy theory.

[Baler]

Please go ahead and cite some instances of voter fraud

You know what sucks, going to look for historical cases of voting fraud. And getting slammed by links going to fact check the usa election bullshit.

[azeth]

Yeah that was kind of an unfair request, you'd have to go so deep on Google to get past the most recent controversies

[G13]

If you believe there was election fraud in favor of Joe Biden in 2020 you should never be allowed to have an opinion on any subject for the remainder of your life. That is literally the dumbest imaginable position anyone on the planet could have about any topic, ever

Clearly there was massive fraud in favor of Potato last election

Otherwise they wouldn't have kicked the poll watchers out and blocked the windows with cardboard

You also prove my theory (once again) that lefties are incapable of debate. When they have nothing (always) they resort to either calling you racist or stupid (or both)

Thanks for playing

[Horza]

He's just going to keep repeating the same unsubstantiated conspiracy theories until you get tired of arguing with a brick wall and give up.

[G13]

He's just going to keep repeating the same unsubstantiated conspiracy theories until you get tired of arguing with a brick wall and give up.

New column added to existing theory

1) Racist
2) Stupid
3) Conspiracy Theory

[Trexller]

Clearly there was massive fraud in favor of Potato last election

Otherwise they wouldn't have kicked the poll watchers out and blocked the windows with cardboard

Why else would they do this unless they were trying to hide something?

Its so abundantly obvious, I really dont understand why this nation isn't already in a state of civil war. My theory on that is people just like netflix and couches too much.

The romans understood superficial appeasement, panem et circenses

food + entertainment = order

[Horza]

So do you guys have any actual evidence of widespread fraud that isn't a bad feeling or a hunch?

[Trexller]

Why else would you kick poll watchers out of buildings? If your actions are above board, you would be happy that they are observed.

Why else would you tape cardboard onto windows?

Why else would you mail ballots to every citizen? (I Received TWO mail in ballots, both in my name)

Why else would truck drivers be carrying ballots of one state, to another state?

Hundreds of thousands of ballots have been found in trashbags waiting for waste pickup, or in dumpsters, or a ditch by the road.

What else do you want?

[bubur]

Why else would you kick poll watchers out of buildings? If your actions are above board, you would be happy that they are observed.

Why else would you tape cardboard onto windows?

Why else would you mail ballots to every citizen? (I Received TWO mail in ballots, both in my name)

Why else would truck drivers be carrying ballots of one state, to another state?

Hundreds of thousands of ballots have been found in trashbags waiting for waste pickup, or in dumpsters, or a ditch by the road.

What else do you want?

he wants a fart whisper in the wind that tells him a republican did it. then it will be real

btw if any moderates are still out there

edit actually i probably shouldnt link that but see below for what it was

[Horza]

banned.video

lol

[Cassawary]

lol

for moderates!

[bubur]

https://i.imgur.com/tQZ3eHX.png

[Baler]

https://i.imgur.com/tQZ3eHX.png

We should be shielding children from sex.

You send your son to school and he comes home convinced he's a girl.
Or single mothers who want to chop their son's dong off and make them a girl.

I'm not making this shit up.
Texas is working to pass a bill that bans gender-affirming care.

lgbtq needs to stop targeting children.

[Horza]

WvZ-yGBJXNk

[Trexller]

lgbtq needs to stop targeting children.

how is this anything but child abuse? This sort of thing should be akin to pedophilia.

[Baler]

how is this anything but child abuse?

I would say that it is.

Don't get me wrong when someone is an adult and they want to make adult choices fine be whatever you want to. But when it comes to a minor who's mind is still developing and is strongly influenced by the world around them, this shit has got to stop.

There is already more pressure on young people than ever before. Such as the internet and social media. Never before in history was there internet with all the mental effects it's causing on youth.

Why progressive leadership chooses to support this agenda I can not understand.
Mental health is something that isn't taken serious enough why do we need to add more problems onto that pile.

[Horza]

PERSON 1: Do you have evidence of widespread election fraud?

PERSON 2: Antifa super soldiers are making our children LGBTQ.

[Trexller]

near as i can figure, the "leaders" want us all to be gay due to population growth.

The earth is already wayyy over populated. Yeah I know, thats not a popular topic, but Thanos is RIGHT, the universe (and planet earth) have limited resources.

Gay couples won't have accidental pregnancies, and when they wanna go get kids, its an extremely conscious process.

[Cassawary]

near as i can figure, the "leaders" want us all to be gay due to population growth.

The earth is already wayyy over populated. Yeah I know, thats not a popular topic, but Thanos is RIGHT, the universe (and planet earth) have limited resources.

Gay couples won't have accidental pregnancies, and when they wanna go get kids, its an extremely conscious process.

Malthusians and capeshit, name a dumber duo.

[Trexller]

you and horza

jk

Malthusian theory is the real deal, and we're pretty much there now. Thanks for bringing it up cass!

https://i.imgur.com/mrP0Q6D.png

[Baler]

The earth is already wayyy over populated. Yeah I know, thats not a popular topic, but Thanos is RIGHT, the universe (and planet earth) have limited resources.

Gay couples won't have accidental pregnancies, and when they wanna go get kids, its an extremely conscious process.

One of the things that makes something living is the ability to reproduce. I have always questioned why a person would choose to remove that.

You're correct, population control is a thing, pushing an agenda are helps solve that has always been a topic of highly intellectual debate. Be the fastest method or a method that is easier on the populous but takes longer. I know of what you speak.

Years back certain scientists gathered to discuss the rising population. They inevitably concluded that at the current human population growth rate earth can't sustain over the next number of years.
I want to say this was in the 40s after WW2, but I could be mistaken on the date.

People need to learn their history.

[HalflingSpergand]

Not even close to over populated

[Jibartik]

Not even close to over populated

yea.

The problem is half of america owns 4 homes, so it feels like we are.

[Danth]

You're correct, population control is a thing

I don't believe anyone's taking overall population seriously as long as nations which breed like rabbits beyond their own ability to support themselves keep receiving outside aid. Most developed nations aren't seeing all that much natural population growth; rather they're importing more and more immigrants in an effort to prop up economic models that depend on perpetual growth. America might not be "overpopulated" yet in a literal sense, but you cannot convince me that an America with 600 million people is going to be an actual improvement, either.

I believe the gay agenda is not some great conspiracy but is rather the natural progression of the slippery slope that those wary of that movement predicted 25/30 years ago. Their ultimate goal--understandable enough--seems to be seen as just as ordinary and normal as anyone else. Hence they push for education to that effect, and in some cases get it when they aren't met with sufficient pushback. The great fallacy of the slippery slope is calling it a fallacy. Support or oppose that movement as you may, but the slippery slope is very much real.

Danth

[Trexller]

Not even close to over populated

This guy must never drive on a road and live alone on an island somewhere, obviously isn't in touch with modern population density.

If you wanna make it a land mass argument, 57% of the earths landmass is uninhabitable desert or mountain. This is inconducive to further exponential population growth.

So the "leaders" have got to know that the rate of human population has, or will soon overwhelm the earth's ability to support human life.

[Baler]

I don't believe anyone's taking overall population seriously as long as nations which breed like rabbits beyond their own ability to support themselves keep receiving outside aid. Most developed nations aren't seeing all that much natural population growth; rather they're importing more and more immigrants in an effort to prop up economic models that depend on perpetual growth. America might not be "overpopulated" yet in a literal sense, but you cannot convince me that an America with 600 million people is going to be an actual improvement, either.

I believe the gay agenda is not some great conspiracy but is rather the natural progression of the slippery slope that those wary of that movement predicted 25/30 years ago. Their ultimate goal--understandable enough--seems to be seen as just as ordinary and normal as anyone else. Hence they push for education to that effect, and in some cases get it when they aren't met with sufficient pushback. The great fallacy of the slippery slope is calling it a fallacy. Support or oppose that movement as you may, but the slippery slope is very much real.

Danth

I present to you, China's 1 child law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
The one-child policy was part of a program designed to control the size of the rapidly growing population of the People's Republic of China.
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In regards to gays It was something that came out of the Free Love movement of the 60s. That said, let's talk about aids.
Which political party backed Free Love and many partners (spreading aids). Progressives.

[Danth]

I present to you, China's 1 child law.
Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

What about it? Okay, a few nations take it seriously. Fair enough. Rest of the above still applies.

[Baler]

was editing my post, I like to edit my posts alot. sorry about that :o

[indiscriminate_hater]

What about it? Okay, a few nations take it seriously. Fair enough. Rest of the above still applies.

Seems relevant that the country with the #1 largest population took it seriously when it started to actually become an issue.

[Trexller]

Carrying capacity stopped being even a mild concern when we invented dumping nitrogen on crops. Nitrates? Something chemicals.

food is alot lower on the list of population issues than social structure breakdown. Humans are animals like any other, just slightly more intelligent but animals nonetheless.

You put enough of us in one place, and we're going to find reasons to fight each other. If we don't have any, we'll make them up.

We're humans, we evolved to fight. Look at us right now, modern tech has given miracles to humanity, yet we still fight each other over resources, religions, and even fucking pronouns lol

I figure thats a major psychological problem in the modern human, Survival is no longer a fight. dunno about other states, but in PA I have a "Right to Work"

So I have a right to go someplace, perform some task for 40 hours a week, and then i get my house and my food. I don't cut down trees for shelter, I don't spear rabbits for food, I don't trek miles for water.

The fight for survival is gone in the west, are people in ethiopia arguing over genders and bathrooms?

[Gwaihir]

14403

Now available on Steam. Seems to be up a few of your alleys.

[HalflingSpergand]

This guy must never drive on a road and live alone on an island somewhere, obviously isn't in touch with modern population density.

If you wanna make it a land mass argument, 57% of the earths landmass is uninhabitable desert or mountain. This is inconducive to further exponential population growth.

So the "leaders" have got to know that the rate of human population has, or will soon overwhelm the earth's ability to support human life.

Deserts are fine to inhabit unless its fuckin dunes. Mountains is aguable its way to vague . U don't have to live up each other's asses u choose to

[Trexller]

the logistics of modern living make those regions wayyy too expensive.

There are no cities in the sahara or himalayas for that and other reasons. like its super hot. or super cold.

[HalflingSpergand]

If u depend on civilization yes. Think abouy australian outback. U hink its over populated? I mean you are saying u need a massage parlor and a grocery store in town then ok. I'm saying overpopulation of our known as doesn't exist, you're saying yes it does i can't go out there i won't be comfy enough and it's scary

[Cassawary]

the logistics of modern living make those regions wayyy too expensive.

There are no cities in the sahara or himalayas for that and other reasons. like its super hot. or super cold.

*points at denver & tibet*

[Trexller]

@most of you

You think too small.

If you're gonna understand and address these issues you have to stop thinking like yourself - the individual

In order to understand the fundamental and existential requirements for mass human civilization, you must think like exactly that, on terms of all humans, not the few, the tribe, or the town.

Human civilization was born near fresh water. Every city sits on 1+ rivers. Due to this, infrastructure was built near fresh water.

Yes, people can most certainly survive in small groups in hostile climates.

Now pick up new york city, right now, and drop it in the sahara. It'll be mad max tomorrow.

What you suggest is an untenable solution to a very real existential problem. There isn't room for all of us.

And if you really think there is room for infinite humans on earth, when can I move into your house and use your resources?

[HalflingSpergand]

Drop new york city and an infrastructure to support it anywhere and it will be fine.

Regardless the is plenty of land. A population does not need to be on a river. That's just not relevant at all

[Cassawary]

And if you really think there is room for infinite humans on earth, when can I move into your house and use your resources?

I dislike this type of tomfoolery.

[Trexller]

fresh water is just where it started, obv

are you gonna build 100+ years of infrastructure in the sahara to support new york city? im not

are you gonna leave the comforts of whatever home you have made? im not

infrastructure didn't just pop into life, it took decades and centuries to evolve.

are you gonna pay for it? no one else is gonna, thats why there is no metropolis in super harsh climates, why no population of consequence lives there.

as time goes on more and more humans will feel entitled to the standard of living that we enjoy, and feel we are entitled to.

tech is likely to solve some of those issues, but there will always be a gigantic $$ sign.

You still think too small.

[Trexller]

I dislike this type of tomfoolery.

Its a valid question, if there is more than enough to go around, why won't you give me some of what you got?

I don't need to pay this mortgage when you already have a house, right?

[HalflingSpergand]

Do u not know about the water underground literally everywhere including barren wastelands? Do you think there is a limited amount of water?

[Cassawary]

Its a valid question, if there is more than enough to go around, why won't you give me some of what you got?

I don't need to pay this mortgage when you already have a house, right?

It's childish nonsense only serving as to interrupt.