Poll regarding King groups and the Staff...

[Versus]

Topic came up today...

How would you feel if someone in your group has a Fungus Staff and intends on rolling for another one if it drops? In the end, you're all there putting in the effort for $$ or upgrade. I know a few people who camp King over and over to farm tunics, should the staff be any different?

[Rotted_Corpse]

I think its greedy if they roll again for one. Let the others in your group have a chance at one. Say no to greed. That goes if you got one banked or got one in group. Same thing. Need before greed.

NBG FTW!

Raise your hand if your Greedy!

[Versus]

I shouldn't have even put NBG as an option, it just skews the results. No one is going to NBG a staff. Ever.

[Stumpes]

If they won one already in that group or have one on their character then I do not think they should be able to roll. But, I am under the opinion that they should be able to roll if they have been there the entire time and can use it. How would you know if they had one banked on a trader mule?

[Versus]

People generally know who has one and who doesn't since they are pretty rare and "popular."

[Knuckle]

bluebies so greedy

[Structures_Fall]

The fact they are still remaining in the group, when they could very easily excuse themselves after winning the 1st staff is merit enough to roll on a 2nd in my opinion. I wouldn't argue it. That being said, on a personal level, it's kind of a dick move.

[Ihealyou]

If they won the staff earlier in that group, no. Everyone worked for it, why should one person get rewarded twice?

If they got the staff in some other group, yeah. Its a little greedy imo, but you did put your time in.

[Versus]

Yeah, 100% talking about someone scoring a staff in a previous group. Being in the same group for 2 staff drops is probably astronomically rare anyway.

[sigundo]

Hmmm. What if most items, except common stuff were made no drop? Get them and use them yourself or sell as vendor trash, that way everyb...[mmmmf] :dagger protrudes from Sigundo's spine. 1000+ suspects.

[Bruno]

One group should have nothing to do with another. We're putting regulations on what other people can loot now from group to group lol? Definitely laughable.

[Thoughtseize]

One group should have nothing to do with another. We're putting regulations on what other people can loot now from group to group lol? Definitely laughable.

[Rotted_Corpse]

Personally I'd kick anyone from the group if they felt they should have any item over someone that will actually use it. NBG always!

Raise your hand if your Greedy!

[Bruno]

Personally I'd kick anyone from the group if they felt they should have any item over someone that will actually use it. NBG always!

Raise your hand if your Greedy!

You must not know much about the items they're talking about or you're just trolling. Nobody is going to do King camp in a NBG group. Might as well not even waste your energy arguing about NBG here.

[Rotted_Corpse]

You must not know much about the items they're talking about or you're just trolling. Nobody is going to do King camp in a NBG group. Might as well not even waste your energy arguing about NBG here.

I know exactly what i'm talking about considering I did it many years ago in live (during this era). And we'd not allow those into group that insisted on no NBG. I've not gotten to that point here yet. But when I do it will be the same for me.

And because someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean its trolling. Get over yourself. LOL

Guess your raising your hand eh? LMAO

[Doors]

Anyone with a fungi staff banked trying to take one away from another person that doesnt have one is a douchebag period. NBG.

[Dravingar]

Don't do king with a PUG. Problem solved.

[Bruno]

I know exactly what i'm talking about considering I did it many years ago in live (during this era). And we'd not allow those into group that insisted on no NBG. I've not gotten to that point here yet. But when I do it will be the same for me.

And because someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean its trolling. Get over yourself. LOL

Guess your raising your hand eh? LMAO

Anyone with a fungi staff banked trying to take one away from another person that doesnt have one is a douchebag period. NBG.

So people should sacrifice their time to farm a fungi staff for other people that "need" one? Or not camp there at all because they already won one? And if you need them there because of their class, would that change things?

[Rotted_Corpse]

So people should sacrifice their time to farm a fungi staff for other people that "need" one? Or not camp there at all because they already won one? And if you need them there because of their class, would that change things?

And you raise your hand again. Good going there.

To answer you let me ask you a question. How many times have you helped a friend or guild mate get a piece of gear they wanted/needed?

And how many times have you helped a stranger with the same thing?

And better yet how many times have you been helped to get a item you wanted/needed that is worth a lot of plat? If the group decided to greed roll it then you might have a problem with that then?

If someone in the group needs it then they should get it. If you already have one then why be greedy and try to get another. Just how much plat can you spend? And is getting another worth being labeled a loot whore?

Just because something goes for a lot of plat doesn't mean throw away good manners and helpfulness out the window in lieu of PURE GREED!

Raise your hand if your greedy!

[Mcbard]

If they won the staff earlier in that group, no. Everyone worked for it, why should one person get rewarded twice?

If they got the staff in some other group, yeah. Its a little greedy imo, but you did put your time in.

This!

[Troy]

So people should sacrifice their time to farm a fungi staff for other people that "need" one?...

Isn't that why we play this game? If all you want is crap for yourself, go play a single player game.

[Versus]

What is your definition of "need?"

I could use a fungi staff on both my necro and my monk. And I wouldn't have to trust someone with a 500k+ item to transfer it for me.

Btw, this is just a hypothetical. I thought it was an interesting topic. If I was down there, depending who I was with, I'd pass on it in all likelihood since I have one.

[Bruno]

If I was down there, depending who I was with, I'd pass on it in all likelihood since I have one.

I'm going to hold you to that ;).

[Rotted_Corpse]

What is your definition of "need?"

I could use a fungi staff on both my necro and my monk. And I wouldn't have to trust someone with a 500k+ item to transfer it for me.

Btw, this is just a hypothetical. I thought it was an interesting topic. If I was down there, depending who I was with, I'd pass on it in all likelihood since I have one.

Good for you. :)


Raise your hand if your greedy (that includes voting the greed vote)!

[Fourthmeal]

spread the wealth

[soup]

Good for you. :)


Raise your hand if your greedy (that includes voting the greed vote)!

"Greedy" is demanding that an item you can use automatically go to you when it could be used by everyone in the group to sell and upgrade their character significantly. Letting everyone have a chance at the loot is the exact opposite of greed.

"Hey guys, you could buy yourself every BIS item for your class if you won this item, but instead, to not be greedy, it should automatically go to ME! That's the only way to not be greedy, just automatically let ME have the loot!"

[Rotted_Corpse]

"Greedy" is demanding that an item you can use automatically go to you when it could be used by everyone in the group to sell and upgrade their character significantly. Letting everyone have a chance at the loot is the exact opposite of greed.

"Hey guys, you could buy yourself every BIS item for your class if you won this item, but instead, to not be greedy, it should automatically go to ME! That's the only way to not be greedy, just automatically let ME have the loot!"


HAHA. nice try though. Thanks for raising your hand.

And if you read the first post by the person that started the poll it stated should someone that has already gotten one should they be allowed to roll for another.

So in fact they are already able to buy everything they could desire technically.

Oh and damn right a class that can use an item should get it over someone selling it to buy themselves stuff or equip their alts. That is what NBG is (NEED BEFORE GREED).

Raise your hand if your greedy (that includes voting the greed vote)!

[Versus]

Have fun getting a cleric to do King in a NBG pick up group. I know those clarity spores are cool and all, but not worth it imo.

[Supaskillz]

Everyone needs a fungi staff... also it could be traded for any droppable item in game, it is whatever you most need

[soup]

HAHA. nice try though. Thanks for raising your hand.

And if you read the first post by the person that started the poll it stated should someone that has already gotten one should they be allowed to roll for another.

So in fact they are already able to buy everything they could desire technically.

Oh and damn right a class that can use an item should get it over someone selling it to buy themselves stuff or equip their alts. That is what NBG is (NEED BEFORE GREED).

Raise your hand if your greedy (that includes voting the greed vote)!
Why does YOUR need for the item that drops supersede MY need to sell it and gear up my character?

NBG is such a dumb name. THAT is the greedier, less fair method. Oh hey guys, I need this item, default it to me (so I can sell it in EC later) Don't be greedy and ask for a fair shot on loot you helped get!

BTW good luck getting all the necessary classes to do king with your dumb NBG ideas.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I shouldn't have even put NBG as an option, it just skews the results. No one is going to NBG a staff. Ever.

I would prove you wrong.

[Rotted_Corpse]

Why does YOUR need for the item that drops supersede MY need to sell it and gear up my character?

NBG is such a dumb name. THAT is the greedier, less fair method. Oh hey guys, I need this item, default it to me (so I can sell it in EC later) Don't be greedy and ask for a fair shot on loot you helped get!

BTW good luck getting all the necessary classes to do king with your dumb NBG ideas.

Why does your greedy need for plat supersede another person need for a piece of gear? Which is what this is. A piece of gear. Thinking you should have it to sell over someone that will use it is by far GREEDIER then doing NBG.

Oh and again READ THE POST OF THE POLL. LOL

[soup]

Why does your greedy need for plat supersede another person need for a piece of gear? Which is what this is. A piece of gear. Thinking you should have it to sell over someone that will use it is by far GREEDIER then doing NBG.

So me advocating everyone get a fair chance to roll on a piece of loot is more greedy than the one or two people in the group who can use it saying "Fuck off, we should automatically get it! It doesn't matter if you can use it to get gear for your character, it's not fair that everyone who contributed gets a chance at the loot!" ?

In what universe does that make sense?

[Rotted_Corpse]

So me advocating everyone get a fair chance to roll on a piece of loot is more greedy than the one or two people in the group who can use it saying "Fuck off, we should automatically get it! It doesn't matter if you can use it to get gear for your character, it's not fair that everyone who contributed gets a chance at the loot!" ?

In what universe does that make sense?

READ THE POLL POST! LOL

As far as the rest of what you wrote I already answered you many times over. Read again if you don't understand.

[Bruno]

READ THE POLL POST! LOL

As far as the rest of what you wrote I already answered you many times over. Read again if you don't understand.

Read the poll results kiddo. Nuffsed.

[Rotted_Corpse]

Read the poll results kiddo. Nuffsed.

Yup lots of GREED there. Is sad.

[soup]

READ THE POLL POST! LOL

As far as the rest of what you wrote I already answered you many times over. Read again if you don't understand.

No, you didn't explain anything. All you said was "NEED BEFORE GREED MEANS WHOEVER NEEDS IT GETS IT!" which does nothing to justify why it's supposedly greedier to let everyone have a fair shot at loot.

If you think everyone getting a fair chance at loot is greedy, then you have some ridiculously backwards logic.

[Rotted_Corpse]

No, you didn't explain anything. All you said was "NEED BEFORE GREED MEANS WHOEVER NEEDS IT GETS IT!" which does nothing to justify why it's supposedly greedier to let everyone have a fair shot at loot.

If you think everyone getting a fair chance at loot is greedy, then you have some ridiculously backwards logic.

You don't even deserve a response. Thanks for raising your hand to admit your greed. :D

[soup]

Your an idiot. You know your greedy and don't care. GL in game.

I've probably given away more than you will ever even have here, but call me what you like.

I actually think you're among the people I've given stuff to, Mr. Rotted the Iksar necro ;)

[Rotted_Corpse]

I've probably given away more than you will ever even have here, but call me what you like.

I actually think you're among the people I've given stuff to, Mr. Rotted the Iksar necro ;)

What have you given me? Giving things to others is a nice thing to do. I try to help those I can when I can. But i'm new to the server and not rich so I can only do so much.

But thinking someone in a group that already has an item should roll greed for another over someone that could use it is pure greed (or even hasn't gotten one yet if its a really rare item). Greed is greed. No way to mask it any other way.

If the group is there strictly to farm plat then sure all random away. But if it isn't then NBG should be the rule. Why should someones greed for plat go before someones need for an item? Anyone that thinks the greed for plat should go first is wrong imo.

Oh and doing good on one hand (giving people things) and greed on the other doesn't make it ok.

[soup]

What have you given me? Giving things to others is a nice thing to do. I try to help those I can when I can. But i'm new to the server and not rich so I can only do so much.
Couldn't even tell ya. I hand out enough items that I couldn't even try and keep track of what I give who, but sometimes I remembers people's names. Yours is one of them. Maybe I haven't given you anything but I know at the least I've given you (and your pet?) buffs before.


But thinking someone in a group that already has an item should roll greed for another over someone that could use it is pure greed (or even hasn't gotten one yet if its a really rare item). Greed is greed. No way to mask it any other way.

Remember, we're not talking about cheap items worth a couple k or less, we're talking about stuff worth amounts of plat that can be game changing for the person. I'm not talking about everyone free rolling the 400p Sarnak Hide Mask that just dropped when the rogue really wants it, no one cares about that. I'm talking about when the Tstaff drops that can fetch 80k and allow me to get a fungi tunic for my shaman (the shaman that contributed to the Tstaff dropping.) Somehow it's not greedy for the lone monk in the group to demand the item go straight to him, but it's greedy for me to say we should all get a roll at it? I could use that Tstaff to uber upgrade my character just like the monk can, the only difference is I need to do a couple extra steps (sell staff, buy items) and somehow the fact that extra steps are added suddenly makes it greedy?


Why should someones greed for plat go before someones need for an item?

No one's "greed" for plat comes first, that's why EVERYONE in the group gets a chance to roll. The "greed" for plat coming first would be if I was saying that the people who would sell the item should get priority. I'm not saying that, I'm saying EVERYONE should get an equal chance at the loot. That is the exact opposite of greed and the epitome of fair.

[Rotted_Corpse]

Couldn't even tell ya. I hand out enough items that I couldn't even try and keep track of what I give who, but sometimes I remembers people's names. Yours is one of them. Maybe I haven't given you anything but I know at the least I've given you (and your pet?) buffs before.


Remember, we're not talking about cheap items worth a couple k or less, we're talking about stuff worth amounts of plat that can be game changing for the person. I'm not talking about everyone free rolling the 400p Sarnak Hide Mask that just dropped when the rogue really wants it, no one cares about that. I'm talking about when the Tstaff drops that can fetch 80k and allow me to get a fungi tunic for my shaman (the shaman that contributed to the Tstaff dropping.) Somehow it's not greedy for the lone monk in the group to demand the item go straight to him, but it's greedy for me to say we should all get a roll at it? I could use that Tstaff to uber upgrade my character just like the monk can, the only difference is I need to do a couple extra steps (sell staff, buy items) and somehow the fact that extra steps are added suddenly makes it greedy?



No one's "greed" for plat comes first, that's why EVERYONE in the group gets a chance to roll. The "greed" for plat coming first would be if I was saying that the people who would sell the item should get priority. I'm not saying that, I'm saying EVERYONE should get an equal chance at the loot. That is the exact opposite of greed and the epitome of fair.

Being greedy is being greedy. No matter how hard you try to justify it. Its still GREEDY!

Need Before Greed always! :)

Oh and I don't remember a char named Soup. heh.

[soup]

Being greedy is being greedy. No matter how hard you try to justify it. Its still GREEDY!

Except it's not greedy? Just because you choose to call it something doesn't make it so.

And Zalmo is the character I play these days.

[Rotted_Corpse]

Except it's not greedy? Just because you choose to call it something doesn't make it so.

And Zalmo is the character I play these days.

Just because you try to say its not doesn't mean it isn't GREEDY.

[soup]

Just because you try to say its not doesn't mean it isn't GREEDY.

Yeah I know, it's so greedy of me to expect the enchanter in a king group to get to roll on a fungi tunic that drops rather than demanding it just be defaulted to me or the monk :rolleyes:

I mean, he can't equip it, so the only way for me to not be greedy is demand that I get priority!

[Rotted_Corpse]

Yeah I know, it's so greedy of me to expect the enchanter in a king group to get to roll on a fungi tunic that drops rather than demanding it just be defaulted to me or the monk :rolleyes:

I mean, he can't equip it, so the only way for me to not be greedy is demand that I get priority!

NBG isn't demanding. Its showing proper respect for those you play with and allowing them the gear that they can use that you cannot. If they can't use it (they have one already or have better) then all roll on it.

"Greed" is those that think they should be able to roll on something so they can sell in lieu of someone that actually needs the item. To feed their plat addiction so they can be RICH and feel self important.

This is my last response to you. Go find someone else to bother if you don't understand or can't get past your greed.

[soup]

NBG isn't demanding. Its showing proper respect for those you play with and allowing them the gear that they can use that you cannot. If they can't use it (they have one already or have better) then all roll on it.

"Greed" is those that think they should be able to roll on something so they can sell in lieu of someone that actually needs the item. To feed their plat addiction so they can be RICH and feel self important.

This is my last response to you. Go find someone else to bother if you don't understand or can't get past your greed.

You realize that people sell stuff so they can buy gear for their character, right? If the monk demands the Tstaff and tells everyone else to fuck off, he's being noble and fair, but if I want everyone to get a chance to roll on it so they can buy themselves haste or uber weapons or fungi tunics or whatever, they're doing it just to be rich and feel self important? How does that make ANY sense?

And what if someone claims "need!" on an item, and then later someone offers them an even better item for it, is it greedy to accept that trade? If I get an item via "need" and then can later trade it in a way that gets me stuff even more beneficial to my character than the original item, that's called being practical, not greedy. Also, who determines "need"? Should the cleric in the group who doesn't have a manastone get to "need" roll on the fungi tunic that drops? What about the rogue? Are we just defining "need" as anyone who can use it? Or is there some arbitrary determination of whether or not the person "needs" it? Is it just whether or not someone who can equip it claims need, even if everyone can plainly see the item in question would be a blatant downgrade?

And that's ignoring the whole bit about stuff like why would the ever so important enchanter join your king group to help you guys gets 150K++ items when there isn't shit there for him? Greedy is expecting him to do it with no chance at similar quality rewards that you can get.

Free roll > "NBG"

[mcy]

Pwny says hi

[Bubbles]

NBG on a staff is pretty silly, since basically any class could make decent-to-good use of it.

It's obviously going to give more bang for the buck to necros and monks and such, but honestly.. Any melee/caster can truthfully make solid use of it situationally.

The real issue is the robe randomly being the common drop on this server, which makes every rare tunic/staff drop the source of neverending feelings of anguish when it comes to loot dispersal.

[degenvf]

What if i third dropped? We should just pick a person who we all give all items to.
I vote for bruno.

[Wendak]

I have a fungi staff.

Are you saying that since I won a fungi staff over a month ago, if I join a King group today I should be excluded from rolling on another staff? That is laughable. What about all the enchanters, magicians and clerics that seemingly win the Fungi Tunics day in and day out? They can't really use the item, yet they are allowed to roll on it. They sell it and jump back in King groups the very next day and people don't say a word.

I have spent 60+ hours at king. In the first 12 hours at King I saw 1 Staff and 1 Tunic. I won the Staff and was not allowed to roll on the Tunic that dropped a few hours afterwards. I was fine with this since I had already won the staff obviously. I have never seen another Tunic or another Staff drop since. Are you suggesting that if another Staff drops, after 48+ hours in that stupid camp, I should not be entitled to random on a Staff simply because I should be nice and share it with some random I am never going to play with again? Screw that.

If you are suggesting that King groups should exclude Staff winners from rolls because people who "need" them want a chance. Exclude every Necro, Magician, Enchanter, Cleric etc that joins a King group from having the ability to roll on a Fungi Tunic. Lets see how well that goes over. I have heard (not seen because the Tunic has been such an epic rare appearance for me at King camp) of a lot of Enchanters and other classes who have no use for a Tunic other than to sell it, win a tunic over a Shaman or Monk.

[Bruno]

I've probably given away more than you will ever even have here, but call me what you like.

What have you given me?

Lol^. :rolleyes:

[Humwawa]

I would prove you wrong.

Me, too.

[Humwawa]

I have a fungi staff.

Are you saying that since I won a fungi staff over a month ago, if I join a King group today I should be excluded from rolling on another staff?

Really? That greedy? Really?

I also have one. I'd not roll on another. That's probably the greatest current indicator of rampant greed, to have the most coveted item on the server to date....

....and yet want another one. I know you see this.

[corradojeff]

Wow Rotted, I can see your point of view on this topic but you make yourself look like a douche.

As far as NBG, king camp:

If the group is there strictly to farm plat then sure all random away. But if it isn't then NBG should be the rule.

Maybe Soup missed this but you just shot yourself in the foot here. The camp is question is the King camp. The only reason groups are there is to make money. Nobody goes to king thinking they are going there just to xp. It is a CASH CAMP. Everyone should be able to roll regardless of their net worth.

If I had a fungi staff worth 500k (for argument sake) I would not be allowed to roll on another one? (Providing it didn't drop in the same group? SO what if I didn’t have a fungi staff but my net worth is 500k or over? Am I still not allowed to roll on the fungi staff?

I agree that letting all 6 people have their fair 1/101 odds is the most fair way of doing things. that means that potentially I could be there and get the first Fungi staff drop I see or I could have to wait for 6-10 fungi staff (or more) before I actually win a random.

Greedy is saying that I deserve it more than you even though we both put in the same amount of work just because your net worth is higher than mine.

I don’t think that the millionaire who wins the lottery is going to say "Nah, thanks though. Please give this to a bum on the side of the road"

I personally am not greedy and I would/have NBG items worth a lot of plat in PUGs if EVERYONE agrees but when/if any one person requests that it be a fair random on a high price item I completely understand where they are coming from and then cross my fingers for a 100 roll :)

/rant

[Maurk]

Fuck NBG.

If it's worth more than 3k - then it's an upgrade for anyone.
Bullshit that some people have to farm hard to gear up, while some just happen to
be in the right group, and feel entitled to the "tranq" staff or w/e that drops because they can use.

[Trapp]

The fact they are still remaining in the group, when they could very easily excuse themselves after winning the 1st staff is merit enough to roll on a 2nd in my opinion. I wouldn't argue it. That being said, on a personal level, it's kind of a dick move.

What he said. One person could also be in the group for a loong time seeing other members win the staff, and then leave to be replaced by a new person, who wins the staff before the person who has been there much longer.

Sometimes luck is with you, sometimes it's not.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Whatever person has in his bank should not have any effect on what they allowed to roll on, specially in pick up groups.

If its a high cash item, Everyone who contributed to the effort to obtain it, deserves it.

Back on live I have known a SK who kept coming to Noctivigant Blade camp with some crappy weapon everyday, and kept getting the Noc given to him every time on the NBG bases, and then selling it in EC tunnel, knowing he can just the easily get another tomorrow

[Bruno]

Back on live I have known a SK who kept coming to Noctivigant Blade camp with some crappy weapon everyday, and kept getting the Noc given to him every time on the NBG bases, and then selling it in EC tunnel, knowing he can just the easily get another tomorrow

Yeap. It happens on our server as well. I've pointed this major flaw out many of times in the NBG system. I've also watched certain SKs NBG multiple weapons. Do you think all of those weapons are just sitting in their bags? They're obviously selling them and upgrading their gear. Meanwhile, everyone else in the group are stuck with dick in hand.

[skorge]

what people are missing here is the fungi staff isn't just worth 500k, try more than doubling that...it's worth over a million plat (i know this as a fact)....

if you already have a fungi staff IMO why would you even want even camp the King again...are you so greedy u want another shot at a million plus pp??? at that point pp becomes worthless IMO...basically what im saying is the fungi staff is priceless

it's the only item on the server that should not be sold, what are you going to buy with a million pp anyway? so why would u want 2 staffs????

IMO you are a retard for selling a fungi staff or even trading it (even if you did have two of them)

[Doors]

Why am I not surprised to see TMO and TR faggots defending to the death their right to multiple 500k items before someone gets their first.

I honestly just think the current wave of end game people are nothing but greedy losers. Actually based on what I saw some shaman sodapop from TR doing on Wednesday to noobs in the ec tunnel I'm sure of it.

[nambar]

Really? That greedy? Really?

I also have one. I'd not roll on another. That's probably the greatest current indicator of rampant greed, to have the most coveted item on the server to date....

....and yet want another one. I know you see this.

Yeah, well, congratulations. You are very e-noble. For the rest of us with nothing to do at 60, advancing our characters through the acquisition of plat is the only thing available. And the best way is to grab as many staves as possible before the nerf goes in.

If I want an epic as a warrior I'm going to need at least one staff to afford the scales or I'm waiting until Velious most likely. The same goes for a lot of classes that need raid target droppables for their epics. I won't even mention regular droppable gear that could upgrade almost anyone's character like CoFs, etc.

The people advocating for NBG don't understand that NBG only works when it's reciprocal. That's why it works with guildmates, they'll do the same for you and you'll see them again. Doesn't work so well with random strangers.

[Ennoia]

Another pointless poll by a TMO moron. Shit they win in other groups doesn't matter. At all. You have NO right to deny someone their roll because they acquired the same item somewhere else.

[corradojeff]

what people are missing here is the fungi staff isn't just worth 500k, try more than doubling that...it's worth over a million plat (i know this as a fact)....

if you already have a fungi staff IMO why would you even want even camp the King again...are you so greedy u want another shot at a million plus pp??? at that point pp becomes worthless IMO...basically what im saying is the fungi staff is priceless

it's the only item on the server that should not be sold, what are you going to buy with a million pp anyway? so why would u want 2 staffs????

IMO you are a retard for selling a fungi staff or even trading it (even if you did have two of them)

Skorge...really? This coming from you doesnt hold a lot of wieght. You are the King of Camping and EC trading and buying low before nerf to self high after it no longer drops etc, etc...

For you to sit there and say "what do you need all that plat for" when most on the server would look at your holdings and say the same thing.

[skorge]

Skorge...really? This coming from you doesnt hold a lot of wieght. You are the King of Camping and EC trading and buying low before nerf to self high after it no longer drops etc, etc...

For you to sit there and say "what do you need all that plat for" when most on the server would look at your holdings and say the same thing.

well i think you are missing the point...the point is the fungi staff is the only item like this in the game...its not like any other item

[Ihealyou]

All the fungi staffs should be sold and the proceeds split evenly among the server. Workers unite! Abolish the wage system!

[Wendak]

Really? That greedy? Really?

I also have one. I'd not roll on another. That's probably the greatest current indicator of rampant greed, to have the most coveted item on the server to date....

....and yet want another one. I know you see this.
Greedy? Why should I eliminate 50% of the loot down there. Is my time only worth 50% of the other five people in my group? If I am expected to pass on Fungi Staff because I have one, should people who can't equip Fungi Tunics be expected to pass on that so I can get a Fungi Tunic since I am a Shaman?

[Innovative]

A friend of mine was in a group there where a monk won the staff twice. Once the previous week and then insisted to roll again. I'm not going to name names, but that's pretty messed up in my opinion.

[Versus]

if you already have a fungi staff IMO why would you even want even camp the King again...are you so greedy u want another shot at a million plus pp??? at that point pp becomes worthless IMO...basically what im saying is the fungi staff is priceless

You would return to the King camp to get what you were really after in the first place....the tunic. The staff is a byproduct. A very coveted byproduct.

And yes, I understand that the staff is uber rare and will be taken out of the game, but how is this THAT much different from people who camp King to flip Tunics over and over and over? It's more rare and more useful, so it should somehow be treated differently? I don't think so~

[Neto]

Being greedy is being greedy. No matter how hard you try to justify it. Its still GREEDY!

Need Before Greed always! :)

Oh and I don't remember a char named Soup. heh.


The more I read from this kid the more I want to punch him in the face in real life. "But.. but... but.. I'm a necro! I need the staff! Give it to me! No?! YOU'RE GREEDY!"

People who are in a group that contribute and want to roll on an item are NOT being greedy. Sure, they might want the item for a different reason. Sure, the monk/necro/shaman whatever the fuck else could equip that item and use it right away and probably make great use out of it. But the Wizard/Warrior/Druid/Ranger/etc could sell it and turn it into MULTIPLE (read: more than one) items they could make great use out of.

If you can't see that logic you really need to stop playing Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games (this means more than one person is playing the game with you).

[Rotted_Corpse]

The more I read from this kid the more I want to punch him in the face in real life. "But.. but... but.. I'm a necro! I need the staff! Give it to me! No?! YOU'RE GREEDY!"

People who are in a group that contribute and want to roll on an item are NOT being greedy. Sure, they might want the item for a different reason. Sure, the monk/necro/shaman whatever the fuck else could equip that item and use it right away and probably make great use out of it. But the Wizard/Warrior/Druid/Ranger/etc could sell it and turn it into MULTIPLE (read: more than one) items they could make great use out of.

If you can't see that logic you really need to stop playing Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games (this means more than one person is playing the game with you).

I wish I were a kid. LOL You make yourself sound like a child in your remarks. What are you 15? Wait thats too old. Are you 8 years old? Hey lets fight in the school yard eh? kids LOL

If you can't see the logic in being fair to others and allowing others to get items they need instead of feeding your GREED you need to learn a bit more or find another game where you don't interact with others.

Sure there are a lot of greedy replies and votes here on the board but 90% of the people that play don't hit the boards and I do not believe after all my years of playing that all believe in the greed you are spewing.

In my 7+ years on live 90% of the people I had the privilege of playing with believed in NBG. Of course there were the few greedy ones like yourself. But we ended up kicking them from the guilds most of the time because of their BS.

So try to talk someone else into believing in your greedy solution. I never will.

Rotted Corpse
Necromancer of Cabilis

[soup]

If you can't see the logic in being fair to others and allowing others to get items they need instead of feeding your GREED you need to learn a bit more or find another game where you don't interact with others.



This is EXACTLY why we advocate free roll. BEING FAIR TO OTHERS.

That's why if I'm in a king group, you best believe I'm not going to want the fungi tunic to be defaulted to me (shaman) and not let the enchanter roll, BECAUSE IT'S MORE FAIR TO LET HIM HAVE A CHANCE AT LOOT. Expecting an enchanter to come do the fungi king with no chance at loot is the exact OPPOSITE of fair.

Free roll IS the fair system. "NBG" is the system for people with a sense of entitlement.

[Rotted_Corpse]

This is EXACTLY why we advocate free roll. BEING FAIR TO OTHERS.

That's why if I'm in a king group, you best believe I'm not going to want the fungi tunic to be defaulted to me (shaman) and not let the enchanter roll, BECAUSE IT'S MORE FAIR TO LET HIM HAVE A CHANCE AT LOOT. Expecting an enchanter to come do the fungi king with no chance at loot is the exact OPPOSITE of fair.

Free roll IS the fair system. "NBG" is the system for people with a sense of entitlement.

That is greed in its purest form! "I should be able to roll and sell the item because I could buy something "I" need". its ME ME ME ME Me I I I I I. Thats what your showing. Self interest.

And free role is entitlement. The worst kind. "I should be able to roll on this item I can't use because "I" could sell it and buy something else. its ME ME ME ME ME first. GREED!!!!


All you are doing is showing your GREED!

And don't expect anything from others. "ASK" friends to help you get a piece of gear you need. Or better yet help a friend get a piece of gear they need and then when you need help getting your rare drop they will help you. THAT IS WHAT THIS GAME IS ALL ABOUT! Not the GREED!

[soup]

That is greed in its purest form! "I should be able to roll and sell the item because I could buy something "I" need". its ME ME ME ME Me I I I I I. Thats what your showing. Self interest.

All you are doing is showing your GREED!

Keep on trolling.

I want to allow the enchanter to roll on the fungi tunic, rather than demanding it go to me. SUCH LOOT WHORE SELF INTEREST!!!11

[Rotted_Corpse]

Keep on trolling.

I want to allow the enchanter to roll on the fungi tunic, rather than demanding it go to me. SUCH LOOT WHORE SELF INTEREST!!!11

Yup you are doing a great job at being a troll. Post some more BS.

[Bruno]

LOL You make yourself sound like a child in your remarks.

Personally I'd kick anyone from the group if they felt they should have any item over someone that will actually use it. NBG always!

Raise your hand if your Greedy!

I know exactly what i'm talking about considering I did it many years ago in live (during this era). And we'd not allow those into group that insisted on no NBG. I've not gotten to that point here yet. But when I do it will be the same for me.

And because someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean its trolling. Get over yourself. LOL

Guess your raising your hand eh? LMAO

Good for you. :)


Raise your hand if your greedy (that includes voting the greed vote)!

HAHA. nice try though. Thanks for raising your hand.

And if you read the first post by the person that started the poll it stated should someone that has already gotten one should they be allowed to roll for another.

So in fact they are already able to buy everything they could desire technically.

Oh and damn right a class that can use an item should get it over someone selling it to buy themselves stuff or equip their alts. That is what NBG is (NEED BEFORE GREED).

Raise your hand if your greedy (that includes voting the greed vote)!

You don't even deserve a response. Thanks for raising your hand to admit your greed. :D

Being greedy is being greedy. No matter how hard you try to justify it. Its still GREEDY!

Need Before Greed always! :)

Oh and I don't remember a char named Soup. heh.

I'm pretty sure if you actually read what you're writing you would want to punch yourself in the face.

[Rotted_Corpse]

I'm pretty sure if you actually read what you're writing you would want to punch yourself in the face.

Yeah greedy people or self serving people or just general bad behaving people don't like it being pointed out. So yeah they then threaten violence because thats they only way they feel they can solve anything.

[soup]

Yeah greedy people or self serving people or just general bad behaving people don't like it being pointed out. So yeah they then threaten violence because thats they only way they feel they can solve anything.
You fit that bill more than anyone else posting in here FYI

The extent of your posting has basically been responding to well written, logical posts by yelling "GREEDY GREED GREEDY GREEEED!" You sound like a child jumping up and down on a couch while demanding ice cream.

[Rotted_Corpse]

You fit that bill more than anyone else posting in here FYI

The extent of your posting has basically been responding to well written, logical posts by yelling "GREEDY GREED GREEDY GREEEED!" You sound like a child jumping up and down on a couch while demanding ice cream.

You are the child. Your the one stamping your feet saying "I should be able to roll on everything! Thats being fair!" Not.

You can't justify your greed by "trying" to put me down.

I'm all about fair play. And that won't change no matter how much you try to derail. And I won't stop standing up to greedy people like you. So just get over it.

[soup]

You are the child. Your the one stamping your feet saying "I should be able to roll on everything! Thats being fair!" Not.

You can't justify your greed by "trying" to put me down.

I'm all about fair play. And that won't change no matter how much you try to derail. And I won't stop standing up to greedy people like you. So just get over it.

Greedy people like me who have given away more than you will ever have. Greedy people like me who want to let the other classes in the group roll on stuff so they can upgrade their character since nothing at the camp we're at drops loot for them. Greedy people like me who spend hours buffing lowbies, in EC, Oasis, Ill Omen, wherever. Greedy people like me who SoW virtually every person I pass (sometimes chasing them down to do so) while completely refusing donations.

Yeah, if everyone was like me the server would be a miserable place. Go get fucked.

[Rotted_Corpse]

Greedy people like me who have given away more than you will ever have. Greedy people like me who want to let the other classes in the group roll on stuff so they can upgrade their character since nothing at the camp we're at drops loot for them. Greedy people like me who spend hours buffing lowbies, in EC, Oasis, Ill Omen, wherever. Greedy people like me who SoW virtually every person I pass (sometimes chasing them down to do so) while completely refusing donations.

Yeah, if everyone was like me the server would be a miserable place. Go get fucked.

Giving away things with one hand doesn't erase being greedy with the other. Just doesn't work that way.

[soup]

Giving away things with one hand doesn't erase being greedy with the other. Just doesn't work that way.

You have the intellect of a child. All you do is call it greedy without offering even the slightest explanation or justification of WHY allowing everyone a fair chance at loot is greedier than someone expecting an item just be defaulted to them. I'm done with you.

Ignore list +1 (and grats on being the first person on it)

[Bruno]

You are the child. Your the one stamping your feet saying "I should be able to roll on everything! Thats being fair!" Not.

You can't justify your greed by "trying" to put me down.

I'm all about fair play. And that won't change no matter how much you try to derail. And I won't stop standing up to greedy people like you. So just get over it.

Nobody here is stamping their feet except you. We're voicing out opinions on the matter, and once in game, if we don't agree with the loot rules, we trying to come to mutual understanding. If that isn't possible, then we part ways, which rarely happens. Usually a person will inquire on the loot rules before joining, or be told by the group before they get there. As has been the outcome of every single argument like this, the loot rules of the group will dictate what happens. If you want to pass an item for someone else because you feel they can use it over you, then that's your choice. If you lose an item to whoever, for whatever reason, you accepted the loot rules, don't come to the boards like a whiny bitch.

We good now?

[Rotted_Corpse]

You have the intellect of a child. All you do is call it greedy without offering even the slightest explanation or justification of WHY allowing everyone a fair chance at loot is greedier than someone expecting an item just be defaulted to them. I'm done with you.

You have the greed of a spoiled little child. That thinks they should have everything regardless of anyone else's needs.

This game is about helping people. Helping them get things they need for their chars and those same people that you helped helping you in return. Its not about greed.

In a way its sharing. This is a very simple explanation.

Wow that is so hard to understand how to play fairly and not be greedy.

[Rotted_Corpse]

Nobody here is stamping their feet except you. We're voicing out opinions on the matter, and once in game, if we don't agree with the loot rules, we trying to come to mutual understanding. If that isn't possible, then we part ways, which rarely happens. Usually a person will inquire on the loot rules before joining, or be told by the group before they get there. As has been the outcome of every single argument like this, the loot rules of the group will dictate what happens. If you want to pass an item for someone else because you feel they can use it over you, then that's your choice. If you lose an item to whoever, for whatever reason, you accepted the loot rules, don't come to the boards like a whiny bitch.

We good now?


Now that is a very logical response. I applaud you. Well except for the lil poke at the beginning and end. Which i'll let pass as the majority of what you wrote made total sense. :)

I agree. and if I do not agree with a groups loot rules I'd not join them. This happens all the time throughout the game every day. :)

Thank you.

[Versus]

I stopped reading the replies from "Rotted_Corpse"
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[nambar]

Yall got trolled so hard by that retard. God damn.

[Rotted_Corpse]

Yall got trolled so hard by that retard. God damn.

Yeah anyone that disagrees with you is trolling. Get over yourself idiot.

[nambar]

Yeah anyone that disagrees with you is trolling. Get over yourself idiot.

Your posts in this thread are more than enough proof you've been trolling. You make circular posts addressing nothing anyone brings up but eventually all end in "NO U GREEDY".

I got a staff, I'm coming back for more. When I get 8 staves, I'll make a new account to hold my new staves before I let an idiot like you get one.

[Rotted_Corpse]

Your posts in this thread are more than enough proof you've been trolling. You make circular posts addressing nothing anyone brings up but eventually all end in "NO U GREEDY".

I got a staff, I'm coming back for more. When I get 8 staves, I'll make a new account to hold my new staves before I let an idiot like you get one.

LOL Nice greed there. The ones that have problems with my posts are those that don't like being called out on their poor actions. And that get upset when I won't back down. I could care less what you think or those that act like you. I'll never back down to people with poor morals and actions.

[nambar]

LOL Nice greed there. The ones that have problems with my posts are those that don't like being called out on their poor actions. And that get upset when I won't back down. I could care less what you think or those that act like you. I'll never back down to people with poor morals and actions.

Here are a few options for getting the staff:

1) Go to king with a guild group where NBG is assumed
2) Make a king group and set NBG as rule, find people who agree and invite them.
3) Join a normal king group where everyone has an equal chance for the staff and expect them to pass it to you.

Pick option 3 and cry when people you don't know, who will never see you again don't pass you an item they can use to improve their character.

Are you on welfare in real life? Do you survive just expecting people to hand you things? Try being more proactive buddy. Of course people are just mean and picking on you by not giving you what you want :( Don't back down though!! Keep fighting the good fight.

[Humwawa]

Yeah, well, congratulations. You are very e-noble.

It's e-funny when people try to trivialize decency, by first disparaging the context. By "context," I mean the game itself. On the internet.

I'm far from noble, e- or otherwise. I'm the same asshole who corpsebanked FBSSes in Guk for weeks. Yup.

But I understand that this item is different, and that it changes the game for some classes, and that even if I had need of plat (in before "filthy rich necro," I suppose) I wouldn't want to take that experience away from another necro, enchanter, etc.

[Neto]

Are you on welfare in real life? Do you survive just expecting people to hand you things? Try being more proactive buddy. Of course people are just mean and picking on you by not giving you what you want :( Don't back down though!! Keep fighting the good fight.


QFT

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

You can't make fungi staff a NBG. It would benefit everyone, and it isn't necessary to make you viable. It might serve more individual benefit to someone soloing, or necros due to lich, but you can't claim NBG on an item like that. And if someone camps one and wins it, and comes back a month later to get another one you can't blame them and call them greedy. Now if they win one, transfer it to a mule or friend, and try and win another, fuk that.

[Rotted_Corpse]

Are you on welfare in real life? Do you survive just expecting people to hand you things? Try being more proactive buddy. Of course people are just mean and picking on you by not giving you what you want :( Don't back down though!! Keep fighting the good fight.

HAHA. Good try in attacking someone that doesn't agree with you. Doesn't phase me. GL with that attitude.

[Polixenes]

Consider that virtually all of the big plat items that drop in the games are melee weapons, regen or haste items; big plat because they are game changing for melees especially twink melees.

Therefore NBG totally sucks for several classes, e.g. cleric and druid.

When anything like this item drops, which is basically a big bag of plat, we could all use it equip our characters. Remember there is a human being playing this game who would like to get a fair shake of the loot too.

[nambar]

~YOU ARE COVERED IN A STICKY SUBSTANCE~

Peace out

[jilena]

People who claim NBG rights to anything are the worst kind of greedy people. I would avoid grouping with anyone who does this ever again.

500k item is 500k item. Whether you are going to equip it or sell it for 500k your desire for said item is equally "greedy". Making the assumption that your ability to directly use some item somehow supercedes the needs of everyone else in the group regardless of circumstance is selfish as hell. I guarantee you that some poor bastard in minimal gear is going to get more use out of a tstaff after selling it for 75k than some twinked to shit 3rd string monk alt that has only been able to fork over the cash for a peacebringer thus far. I mean srsly.

This whole need before greed shit is way out of control. If you wanna selflessly help your friend get whatever item they need, feel free! Way to be a good friend! However, guilt tripping random strangers into giving you preference on loot based solely on your ability to use an item is silly.

[Prince]

bluebies so greedy

[Kassel]

LOL @ NBG on an item that everyone class can use......

[bizzum]

Good thing we don't have to worry about THIS anymore!

/thread

[Kika Maslyaka]

People who claim NBG rights to anything are the worst kind of greedy people. I would avoid grouping with anyone who does this ever again.

500k item is 500k item. Whether you are going to equip it or sell it for 500k your desire for said item is equally "greedy". Making the assumption that your ability to directly use some item somehow supercedes the needs of everyone else in the group regardless of circumstance is selfish as hell. I guarantee you that some poor bastard in minimal gear is going to get more use out of a tstaff after selling it for 75k than some twinked to shit 3rd string monk alt that has only been able to fork over the cash for a peacebringer thus far. I mean srsly.

This whole need before greed shit is way out of control. If you wanna selflessly help your friend get whatever item they need, feel free! Way to be a good friend! However, guilt tripping random strangers into giving you preference on loot based solely on your ability to use an item is silly.

+100! :cool:

[beeshma_nameless]

" However, guilt tripping random strangers into giving you preference on loot based solely on your ability to use an item is silly."

This is generally how NBG ends up getting abused - I never did understand the NBG in a pick up group anyway. In a group with guildmates, in-game friends - it is a non issue, whoever "needs" it gets it.

In NBG - other than a warm glowy EQ_Theresa feeling (which a lot of those pontificating others on the virtue of NBG seem to thrive on), you more often than not see that item in EC sooner or later (being sold by the "needer" heh).

Greed roll is way more fairer to everyone in the group - with a resonable agreement on not rolling on every item if you won one.

[Vidrata]

I read up til the post that said this is mostly about if someone already got a staff from a different group and they should pass on a staff in a new group.

If I group with people, win a staff, then stash it on an alt, thats my choice. If I continue in the same camp to get another to sell or use for a different alt, again, thats my choice. If I win 5 million of these staves, with different groups, I have no reason to share with a new group if I want 5 million and one. I dont mind helping out other people and Ill admit to being a loot whore first thing when I join a group (due to being the corpse clearer in most games).

Greedy on my part? Perhaps, but each group is a new/different group of people. I owe them nothing and they owe me nothing. If I win the roll, good for me, I got me a new shiny item to boost my assests. If I lose the roll to someone who can use it or will sell it, good for them, cuz they just boosted their assests. This game is (for me) fun because of the community and socialization aspects. You get what you give most of the time.

[gnomishfirework]

Everything that is wrong in MMOs is the result of greedy people. Everything. Even things like lag.