Is it possible to raid on P99 without being unemployed?

[RecondoJoe]

This is not to shame anyone who is unemployed or anyone who raids, but I am actually curious about this. Last Spring when I played on P99 I remember and I finally got to level 50, all of my friends were rushing to Sol B at 4AM on a Tuesday to park at the entrance all day long just in case Lord Nagafen spawned.

They said this was what was expected and required to be a part of their guild, and I just kind of wonder how normal people could do this? It was during this moment that I envisioned a bunch of older, mostly retired people playing P99 to re-live the Nostalgia from their younger days.

But is this actually the case?

I'm genuinely curious.

[kudlezz]

Not if you’re competitive.

Either unemployed or neglecting work or personal life.

[Jimjam]

This is not to shame anyone who is unemployed or anyone who raids, but I am actually curious about this. Last Spring when I played on P99 I remember and I finally got to level 50, all of my friends were rushing to Sol B at 4AM on a Tuesday to park at the entrance all day long just in case Lord Nagafen spawned.

They said this was what was expected and required to be a part of their guild, and I just kind of wonder how normal people could do this? It was during this moment that I envisioned a bunch of older, mostly retired people playing P99 to re-live the Nostalgia from their younger days.

But is this actually the case?

I'm genuinely curious.

Honestly, I don't think so many people engage in this. Maybe a few dozen people?

As the server gets older, people end up with a couple of high level toons, so they can park their 'spares' at popular raid locations. That way they can pick up a batphone should they happen to be monitoring it and available at the time. This is what I do on the rare occasion I remember to boot discord / keep an eye on things.

[Endorra]

Back when I first found p99 I did this during the TMO era. I had a M-F 9 to 5 job and basically spent 6pm to 1am daily and all weeekend every weekend on the game. I had the batphone and would leave my PC on in case I had to login fast. Park at wherever the guild told me to park.

I had food, laundry, weed, and groceries delivered. Pretty much got it down to just work and EQ. It sucked having only 1 60, so I started leveling a raid bot alt in the meantime.

Eventually I snapped out of it. I'll never hardcore like that again. When I play at all now it's for giggles, and I mostly play other games where time management is easier.

D3 is easy to play in small bits for life balance, and you can bot the hell out of it so you're able to keep up despite having to work.

[starkind]

We could break the server of this with a megazerg just planning in advance to watch for 1 or 2 targets a week. Would only need a few dedicated players. The rest would just login when ready.

I think the problem is everyone trying to hit every raid every time. And so they wind up with 3 characters in each guild. And no communication between guild leaders. If the guild leaders shared then it wouldn't be a problem.

Idk live only had two active endgame guilds. Velious probably only supports two really.

On the upside u can easily get 60 in EC gear on either server.

[HalflingSpergand]

To OP: Absolutely not . Anyone that says it is is lying or not really working

[Allishia]

It is on blue, lots of people have jobs. Obviously not the people with 80+ ra lol. But plenty just raid when they can and guilds don't really require a min raid attendance once your full member.

[Macchew5]

Get a better job?

[shuklak]

I did serious raiding and I noticed many around me had no jobs and often had some sort of social assistance due to health issues.

I noticed there are basically 2 types of hardcore raiders and they were employed raiders who played every day but never could hit the 90plus percent attendance and usually had limits, but then there is the unemployed crowd and they absolutely made up the most "hardcore" group. You just can't compete with that if you have any semblance of a life. It becomes a matter of time available.

[bomaroast]

Don't forget the self-employed. Those who only have to work 10-15 hours a week are capable raiders.

[Snortles Chortles]

it is unfair to chastise those in unfortunate situations
i mean, what else are you gonna do if you're disabled and unemployed

[Tunabros]

some people do "insurance"

[Tsunami21k]

Quake happened an hour ago on blue and half of the raid targets are likely dead already. How much time does raiding really take? Literally between the raiding guilds on this server, everything should be dead within a few hours.

Shame I’m at work and can’t partake this week. /rip

[hannahgrams]

How much time does raiding really take?

Shame I’m at work and can’t partake this week. /rip

[UrkTheSlayer]

I got a pc at work and I’m just gonna clock out for bat fone.

[HalflingSpergand]

Quake happened an hour ago on blue and half of the raid targets are likely dead already. How much time does raiding really take? Literally between the raiding guilds on this server, everything should be dead within a few hours.

Shame I’m at work and can’t partake this week. /rip
10 years and counting

[myrddraal]

Quake happened an hour ago on blue and half of the raid targets are likely dead already. How much time does raiding really take? Literally between the raiding guilds on this server, everything should be dead within a few hours.

Shame I’m at work and can’t partake this week. /rip

Quakes move much faster than normal pops. Since everything is up, can go bing bang boom. Normally theres a lot more BS involved in chasing single spawn because of the tracking, ET, clearing trash and training around, dealing with wipes etc.

[Tsunami21k]

Glad someone got it haha

[Zwieback]

no

[ClephNote]

There is a lot of space between no lifer and better organized.

Timers, trackers, bat phones, quakes, etc.

Track win rates across both respawns and quakes; every guild has no lifers, but there is almost always a top dog guild and this no lifer stuff is the bad and jealous.

[reznor_]

I put seashells on things. Shoes, vases, jackets, things like that. I make a comfortable living and get to raid most of the time.

[Arvan]

There is a lot of space between no lifer and better organized.

Timers, trackers, bat phones, quakes, etc.

Track win rates across both respawns and quakes; every guild has no lifers, but there is almost always a top dog guild and this no lifer stuff is the bad and jealous.

Dang looks like you struck a chord with someone

[Viscere]

If you're a multi millionaire, it works also

[Ravager]

Just leveling past 20 is impossible without blowing off social or employment responsibilities. Throw in time for reading and posting on the forums and shit, you're talking at least a part time job's level of commitment.

[Izmael]

You can level to 60 without giving up very much. It just will be very slow. Find a mob you can kill solo at a safe-ish spot and kill it whenever you get a minute. Find new spot when the mob no longer gives exp.

It will take months or years, depending on many factors, but you'll get 60 eventually.

Raiding is another beast, though. It's very hard to impossible to raid if you have a lot of work/family/social commitments.

One way is to join a guild that raids during your nights. Then you can wake up for a couple hours for select raids you want to join, then optionally go back to bed when it's over.
I've done that for several weeks a few years ago because I wanted some VP stuff and it's very tiresome. I wouldn't recommend doing this on a constant basis.

[Solist]

The biggest mistake people in 'lesser' guilds make is thinking you play more in the top end guilds.

I can log in, attack a mob and log out in under 3 minutes sometimes if I so feel. If I want to pull it, add 1-2 minutes. If I want to track it I can spend as little or as much time as I want.

Casual guilds like kittens/castle/whatever sometimes spend more time just assembling at the zone in and discussing what to kill than Vanqriot spend on an entire log in, coth, pull, kill, port out.

[nostalgiaquest]

If you're a multi millionaire, it works also

You're a millionaire and have nothing better to do than play p99 for years on end?

[ClephNote]

Dang looks like you struck a chord with someone

Nah, it’s just funny to me how big a part PR plays in p99. Winning is because you’re a loser.

[Swish]

/pizza

[Snortles Chortles]

You're a millionaire and have nothing better to do than play p99 for years on end?

https://i.imgur.com/V0CQegr.jpg

[starkind]

I just want to say I have trouble raiding even tho I am on a pension. And don't have to even shower ever day. So it's not as easy as you guys make it out to be.

[Bardp1999]

You don't have to be unemployed, but it helps a lot. The main thing on Blue is you have to have small/medium chunks of time available pretty much 24/7. There is a super gross meta of killing things in the middle of the night or during the middle of a workday.

The problem with this is that if you are a normy trying to be a raider, you're fucked. If you work 9-5 in an office you are missing a LARGE % of the raid pops, which means you basically have to have 100% RA on the weekends and prime time to be able to meet RA requirements, which means you become a fucking meme nerd who sits at their computer every second of thier down time.

When I started waking up to bat phones at 3 am to kill Yelinak I realized I needed to stop taking P99 so seriously. The pixels are like heroine though.

The immersed raiders on this forum will say whatever they want about how raiding is cool and normal and they dont have a problem keeping RA, but the truth is if you want to raid on P99 it is an enormous time commitment anyway you cut it.

Is it worth it? I think its fun to experience for a short time - Maybe for like 3 months max? But then you have to have the willpower to cut the cord or you end up in a UN discord discussing P99s raid scene like you are a constitutional lawyer. Its seriously like a drug addiction - "I can quit anytime".

[starkind]

Why can't the GM's/guides just outlaw any guilds requiring more than 40% RA? like "you'rre guild will be disbanded and not allowed to exist if u do that to ur players".

Simple solution lol.

[Bardp1999]

Starkind - in Velious there are 50ish legitimate raid targets. Even keeping a 15% RA is absurd for a normal and healthy person considering that this is a 24/7 operation.

[Nirgon]

Go read the UN chat, they think their management and decision making improves anything here

You're dealing with severely brain rotted individuals with weak motor skills

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/3yM7m6t.jpg

[Fammaden]

This picture explains many of the raid comms background noises on both servers.

[Trexller]

that pic is also a married life metaphor

[Arvan]

If you have a normal life with wife/kids/job then no you cant raid on p99 hope this helps

[Snortles Chortles]

https://i.imgur.com/dCV2tF8.gif

[Ravager]

The biggest mistake people in 'lesser' guilds make is thinking you play more in the top end guilds.

I can log in, attack a mob and log out in under 3 minutes sometimes if I so feel. If I want to pull it, add 1-2 minutes. If I want to track it I can spend as little or as much time as I want.

Casual guilds like kittens/castle/whatever sometimes spend more time just assembling at the zone in and discussing what to kill than Vanqriot spend on an entire log in, coth, pull, kill, port out.
And you talk as if you've never blown off an obligation, whether to work, relations, school or your own sleep to kill a dragon for 3 minutes. Which is disingenuous. Btw, 3 minutes just gets you on the attendence list. You're not even a warm body at that point. Way to stand in line for your free loot nuthanger.

[RecondoJoe]

The biggest mistake people in 'lesser' guilds make is thinking you play more in the top end guilds.

I can log in, attack a mob and log out in under 3 minutes sometimes if I so feel. If I want to pull it, add 1-2 minutes. If I want to track it I can spend as little or as much time as I want.

Casual guilds like kittens/castle/whatever sometimes spend more time just assembling at the zone in and discussing what to kill than Vanqriot spend on an entire log in, coth, pull, kill, port out.

That's how modern WoW had gotten before I quit raiding. People always assumed that because I played WoW and was a successful raider that I must be playing 12+ hours a day. In actuality my guild usually cleared all content in 3 hours, and then spent the rest of the week with nothing to do. I was actually upset with this, it felt like you could only play WoW at the most... 5 hours a week because Arena teams were also static back then, so once you did your weekly cap (1-2 hours tops), you were further incentivized to stop playing to secure your rating.

I don't feel this is the case with EverQuest though. Someone who is comfortably in a raid position may feel this way, but a newer player looking to join up is probably looking at a lot of no lifering to get that point, no?

[RecondoJoe]

And you talk as if you've never blown off an obligation, whether to work, relations, school or your own sleep to kill a dragon for 3 minutes. Which is disingenuous. Btw, 3 minutes just gets you on the attendence list. You're not even a warm body at that point. Way to stand in line for your free loot nuthanger.

I've never had a job that would let me blow off work for anything that wasn't majorly serious. This must be a white collar thing, hehe.

[Bardp1999]

Recondo literally no one gives a fuck about WoW please stop bringing it up on an EQ forum constantly. If anything it makes you look like a giant asshole because people come to P99 specifically to get away from shit like WoW. No one knows what you're talking about.

[unsunghero]

it is unfair to chastise those in unfortunate situations
i mean, what else are you gonna do if you're disabled and unemployed

This

I remember this dude in vanilla WoW who was on basically 24/7. He was a part of our PvP crew. Was such a freak that he got rank 14 and basically sat at rank 12-13 after that every week for no benefit, he just played that much (to anyone who knows how crazy the pvp ranking system was in vanilla and how much time it required)

We used to talk shit behind his back, calling him a loser, etc. Then I found out from him that he had an injury to his spine at work, lost the use of his legs, and was in a wheelchair, on disability since. I felt like the biggest douche for talking smack

There are some people who abuse social services and sit on disability because they claim to be too fat or too anxious to work or whatever, but they are the minority. It would be unfair to assume everyone on disability is milking it

[Ravager]

I've never had a job that would let me blow off work for anything that wasn't majorly serious. This must be a white collar thing, hehe.
Is bet money you've been late for trivial selfish reasons at some point in your life.

[Endorra]

Then I found out from him that he had an injury to his spine at work, lost the use of his legs, and was in a wheelchair, on disability since. I felt like the biggest douche for talking smack

There are some people who abuse social services and sit on disability because they claim to be too fat or too anxious to work or whatever, but they are the minority. It would be unfair to assume everyone on disability is milking it

Careful now. If you start to acknowledge the plights of others and let go of your rage that somewhere, someone might be taking advantage of shitty benefits, you're on the path to becoming a radical librul feminazi communist.

[Bardp1999]

The only legitimate disabled person I have met on P99 is Norm, and he plays less than almost anyone and seems to live a normal life despite his injury.

[unsunghero]

Careful now. If you start to acknowledge the plights of others and let go of your rage that somewhere, someone might be taking advantage of shitty benefits, you're on the path to becoming a radical librul feminazi communist.

Ha, well TANIF is different. TANIF otherwise known as welfare, stands for TEMPORARY assistance for NEEDY families. It was originally intended to temporarily help out a family who due to circumstances outside their control could not provide for their kids, until the parent(s) could get the situation back under control. It was not intended to be a lifelong free source of money for a single parent who chose to shit out 7 kids PURPOSEFULLY to get on TANIF because word of mouth spread about how to get free money from the government for life

And there ARE a shitload of people who do just that, and a government who supports their choices. But that’s neither here nor there

[karadin]

A guild can be wildly successful with 10-20 people doing virtually all of the heavy lifting while the rest just respond to batphones to just tank/heal/dps. People with 10% raid attendance are incredibly valuable and can do that with a job/family. One just needs to temper expectations from getting full best in slot to the much cheaper 2nd/3rd best items.

[starkind]

This is the most handicapped community I have ever known.

Disability is real tho. So is psychological disability (hehe let me show you, teach you, actually don't, because I don't have time for you).

But like disability is a slur. Disabled is a slur. Until you lose everything and all your mastery, skill and strength. Shut the fuck up though.

I don't wish disability on anyone. Not even the slightest social anxiety that keeps you locked in a min wage job scrubbing floors. Living in total isolation.

We live in a bountiful land of extremely decadent wealth and luxury. If you have to punch down at someone living in their recliner or stuck in bed 16 hrs a day. Fuck you. Get a hobby. Maybe a real job.

[RecondoJoe]

This is the most handicapped community I have ever known.

Disability is real tho. So is psychological disability (hehe let me show you, teach you, actually don't, because I don't have time for you).

But like disability is a slur. Disabled is a slur. Until you lose everything and all your mastery, skill and strength. Shut the fuck up though.

I don't wish disability on anyone. Not even the slightest social anxiety that keeps you locked in a min wage job scrubbing floors. Living in total isolation.

We live in a bountiful land of extremely decadent wealth and luxury. If you have to punch down at someone living in their recliner or stuck in bed 16 hrs a day. Fuck you. Get a hobby. Maybe a real job.
I really think this game attracts people who later in life were prone to addiction and/or other mental health issues.

Three of my childhood friends who loved EverQuest even more than I did committed suicide before their 30th birthdays. One of the girls I met on this game recently committed suicide... my longest lasting friendship... of over 20 years.

Gets so depressing sometimes, but when I first came back to P99... I had so many flashbacks from all of those people... like I remember things they said or did in certain zones... was a surreal experience.

Also noticed that there is a disproportionate number of transgender folks on P99.

[starkind]

I really think this game attracts people who later in life were prone to addiction and/or other mental health issues.

Three of my childhood friends who loved EverQuest even more than I did committed suicide before their 30th birthdays. One of the girls I met on this game recently committed suicide... my longest lasting friendship... of over 20 years.

Gets so depressing sometimes, but when I first came back to P99... I had so many flashbacks from all of those people... like I remember things they said or did in certain zones... was a surreal experience.

Also noticed that there is a disproportionate number of transgender folks on P99.

This is the last stop before hale bop for most, lets at least skillfully acknowledge that without being assholes? I mean it's a real thing. And our civilization doesn't offer opportunities to people unless we have a certain set of traits/personality quirks.

Really sensitive, loving, innocent people. Well. I feel like they come here, and some put on a front of psychoraiderDKPchief, but they really just get hurt to easily IRL by the brutal nature of, y'know, nature. And humanity. Which is hardly nurturing without some real intention and effort.

I will tell u what, I'm afraid to talk about this game to my IRL aquaintances because I'm afraid of either getting them in here or outing myself as one of these people. This game is really good though, and there are worse fates. Addiction is the right word, but people can be addicted to running. I mean I got addicted to starvation. So... the door can swing many ways. Removing a coping mechanism that is less harmful, than say, opiates, or hard crack, or strapping a kevlar vest and AR15 on and going to a rally, is like not always a good idea. So I have to have a lot of respect for people who are here out of personal experience, because I've tried to kill myself several times (unreleated to forum drama or the game). So like. EQ is a good thing for me. Lets be honest there too, I probalby wouldn't be here without it or people telling me to be smart and strong and get a job. I love you all.

[Ravager]

A guild can be wildly successful with 10-20 people doing virtually all of the heavy lifting while the rest just respond to batphones to just tank/heal/dps. People with 10% raid attendance are incredibly valuable and can do that with a job/family. One just needs to temper expectations from getting full best in slot to the much cheaper 2nd/3rd best items.

Nobody is arguing about who should get what loot on this point. The point is anyone who thinks raiding won't affect their social/educational/work lives is deluding themselves. Anyone who has raided for any amount of time on this server has at some point and probably many points put something else more important on hold to do it.

[UrkTheSlayer]

Woah jeeze this thread turned into some huge fucking bummer really quick.

[Champion_Standing]

Are we having fun playing Everquest yet?