During the non-planned capitol insurrection.

[Gravydoo II]

Chris Miller, Donald Trump's acting defense secretary for his final days in office, admitted during a hearing at the Capitol yesterday that the President wanted to use the military to protect his supporters on January 6th instead of the military protecting members of Congress.

According to Mr Miller's testimony, Mr Trump asked whether the District of Columbia's mayor had requested National Guard troops for January 6, the day Congress was to ratify Joe Biden's presidential election victory.

The former defence secretary testified that Mr Trump told him to "fill" the request and "do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights".

Mr Miller's remarks were made during a contentious hearing held by the House Oversight Committee, which is investigating security failures in the days leading to and during the riot.

Democrat politician Carolyn Maloney, who chairs the committee, asked why National Guard troops did not arrive until hours after the building was overrun.

Mr Miller testified that the US military was deliberately restrained that day when Mr Trump's rally turned into an assault by hundreds of his followers that left five dead, including a Capitol Police officer.

Mr Miller said he was concerned in the days before January 6 that sending National Guard troops to Washington would increase fears of a military coup or that Trump advisers were advocating martial law.

Five people were killed when rioters stormed the Capitol, trying to stop Congress certifying Mr Biden's election victory.




Welp, there you have it. Totally not planned. Totally not pulling the strings behind the scenes to use the military as a weapon against its own people. Whoopsie.

[Nocht]

Because 20 political threads wasn't enough.

[Gravydoo II]

Has nothing to do with politics. Its a crime thread. I cant help that the guy happened to be a politician.

Isnt that shocking? The commander and chief said "yeah, protect the rioters, the criminals, and the violent people." over protecting the people doing their jobs in that building.

I guess nobody can tell you "this is kind of a big deal". The guy whos in charge of the military said "use it on the police and anyone resisting the wave of violent criminals".

If Obama did that, or Hillary... jesus christ. People would be losing their minds. It would be hearings and trials for the next decade. Since its rape hands, meh. Just politics.

[Jibartik]

Imagine if the capitol wasn't 200 years old, but it was 2000 years old, and then imagine the capitol it was built on was 3000 years older than that and then imagine after the capitol was stormed the people that stormed it shot rockets at the people who didn't storm it and visa versa.

Look at where we're at now, and then imagine where we'd be if that's where we started on jan 6th :o

[FatherSioux]

Insurrection lol

Sorry, no.

[Horza]

They were hugging and kissing that police officer who died.

[Pulgasari]

Insurrection lol

Sorry, no.

https://i.imgur.com/imJG0ev.jpg

[Pulgasari]

Insurrection lol

Sorry, no.

U.S. Marine Major Christopher Warnagiris is arrested for participating in Capitol riot (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/13/capitol-riot-us-marine-major-warnagiris-arrested-for-role-in-trump-mob.html)

[Nocht]

pity bump

but i'm still gonna rate this thread a whopping -5 stars

see you all tomorrow when political thread number 21 surfaces

[unsunghero]

5 dead! Gasp! How did they die???! Let’s check

“Kevin Greeson, 55, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease. Greeson, of Athens, Alabama, had a Twitter account in which he supported former President Donald Trump and profanely denounced his opponents”

“ • Benjamin Phillips, 50, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Phillips of Ringtown, Pennsylvania, was a computer programmer who founded a social media website for Trump supporters. He had organized a trip of several dozen people to the district”

“ Roseanne Boyland, 34, died by accident from acute amphetamine intoxication. Boyland, of Georgia, wanted to be a sobriety counselor and followed QAnon conspiracies, her family said”

Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/07/capitol-riot-deaths-cause-death-released-4-5-not-sicknick/7128040002/

But what about the cop?

“Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes after riot, medical examiner says”

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes-after-riot-n1264562


Oh I’m sorry. Did my facts just get in the way of your sensationalism? My bad

[unsunghero]

Hey now let’s do the same for the BLM riot deaths, shall we?

[Pulgasari]

5 dead! Gasp! How did they die???! Let’s check

“Kevin Greeson, 55, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease. Greeson, of Athens, Alabama, had a Twitter account in which he supported former President Donald Trump and profanely denounced his opponents”

“ • Benjamin Phillips, 50, died of natural causes from cardiovascular disease. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Phillips of Ringtown, Pennsylvania, was a computer programmer who founded a social media website for Trump supporters. He had organized a trip of several dozen people to the district”

“ Roseanne Boyland, 34, died by accident from acute amphetamine intoxication. Boyland, of Georgia, wanted to be a sobriety counselor and followed QAnon conspiracies, her family said”

Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/07/capitol-riot-deaths-cause-death-released-4-5-not-sicknick/7128040002/

But what about the cop?

“Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes after riot, medical examiner says”

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes-after-riot-n1264562


Oh I’m sorry. Did my facts just get in the way of your sensationalism? My bad

https://wiki.project1999.com/images/Npc_a_ghoul.png

[Horza]

7eQoda_QLIA

[unsunghero]

Lol. The fault of that incident is on the people who designated like 5 police officers to control a crowd of tens of thousands of people. That was a colossal fuck up on their part

And they paid for it https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/01/07/security-fallout-in-capitol-could-be-swift-455803

Edit: and the fault is on the people who entered the capital

[Horza]

Trump asked for troops to do 'whatever was necessary' to protect demonstrators who went on to storm the Capitol. (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wanted-troops-to-protect-supporters-at-capitol-says-miller-2021-5)

Christopher Miller told the House Oversight and Reform Committee that he held a meeting with Trump on January 3, three days before the violent siege in Washington, DC. Miller said that Trump asked at the meeting if there had been any requests for National Guard support at the "Stop the Steal" rally on January 6, where Trump and his supporters would gather to make allegations of voter fraud in November's presidential election.

He said that Trump then ordered Miller to fulfill Bowser's request and told him to "do whatever was necessary to protect the demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."

Maybe read the OP next time?

[unsunghero]

Trump asked for troops to do 'whatever was necessary' to protect demonstrators who went on to storm the Capitol. (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wanted-troops-to-protect-supporters-at-capitol-says-miller-2021-5)

Christopher Miller told the House Oversight and Reform Committee that he held a meeting with Trump on January 3, three days before the violent siege in Washington, DC. Miller said that Trump asked at the meeting if there had been any requests for National Guard support at the "Stop the Steal" rally on January 6, where Trump and his supporters would gather to make allegations of voter fraud in November's presidential election.

He said that Trump then ordered Miller to fulfill Bowser's request and told him to "do whatever was necessary to protect the demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."

Yeah it was safe to assume that counter-protestors were going to show up and start some shit

Have you seen the insane brawls that broke out in Portland between Proud Boys and Antifa? Not sure if they are still up on YouTube but I saw some huge clashes with homemade weapons that look straight medieval. At work atm so can’t check now

I was telling my conservative and liberal friends that it was going to be a war. I would personally never be at such a scene. Politics is not worth it. But surprisingly, very few counter protestors showed up in this incident. But that’s definitely NOT how previous right-wing protests have gone. I’m sure you would agree that liberals outnumber conservatives AND even, liberals willing to fight over their politics still probably outnumber conservatives

[Horza]

That's an incredibly naive and generous take for a crowd that was chanting, "Hang Mike Pence."

[unsunghero]

That's an incredibly naive and generous take for a crowd that was chanting, "Hang Mike Pence."

What’s naive to say that counter protesters have shown up to fight conservative protestors many times in the past?

It’s not a “take”. It’s a simple fact. I can promise you that is exactly what Trump was thinking when he asked for national guard protection for his protestors

I’ll get you the vids of the wars between proud boys and Antifa. I can even try to find some where Antifa rout them so that you can have a wank to it later if you want

[Horza]

Don't give me that bullshit now, we both know Trump just wanted a military escort for his coup.

[unsunghero]

Don't give me that bullshit now, we both know Trump just wanted a military escort for his coup.

Lol kk. Believe whatever you want to believe, Alex Jones

[Pulgasari]

That's an incredibly naive and generous take for a crowd that was chanting, "Hang Mike Pence."

It's antifas fault for not showing up

[unsunghero]

Like the military is just going to go “sack the capital sir? Roger that!”

Cause there’s no such thing as a Democrat in our military. Aren’t you one of those liberals who argue that conservatives’ fears of the military being turned on them as justification to keep assault weapons for protection is stupid, because a military made up of people of various political backgrounds and faiths wouldn’t be willing to massacre their own citizens?

Cause I hear liberals make that argument often. And it’s not a bad argument

But by all means, if our military can be weaponized against citizens, then we probably do need assault weapons

[Gravydoo II]

I noticed nobody addressed the validity of his statements. You all just dragged your cunts on the floor and spelled a bunch of bullshit. Nobody had a counter statement of what else he was doing or why he was wrong. He was there. Sorry he told on your daddy.

[unsunghero]

I noticed nobody addressed the validity of his statements. You all just dragged your cunts on the floor and spelled a bunch of bullshit. Nobody had a counter statement of what else he was doing or why he was wrong. He was there. Sorry he told on your daddy.

Are you referring to me?

Trump wanted national guard to protect his protestors from a potential brawl with counter protestors

There should have been more police there to control the crowd but MULTIPLE PEOPLE WERE FIRED because they fucked up and designed only 5 cops to control a crowd of tens of thousands of protestors

I do enjoy spelling this all out multiple times. Do you still need some more help keeping up?

[unsunghero]

“ Three top security officials in Congress lost their jobs Thursday over the embarrassing and deadly security breach of the Capitol by President Donald Trump’s supporters”

“ Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund will resign effective Jan. 16, before President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration, according to a police spokesperson. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell asked for and received the resignation of Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger effective Thursday. And Speaker Nancy Pelosi said that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving will be resigning after the Capitol was overrun Wednesday by a pro-Trump mob that even some Republicans are calling "domestic terrorists."”

[Horza]

When BLM was in town there wasn't an issue deploying the national guard to protect the Capitol from an angry mob.

Curious....

[unsunghero]

When BLM was in town there wasn't an issue deploying the national guard to protect the Capitol from an angry mob.

Curious....

Yeah it is curious, especially since you said the national guard was meant to be an escort to assist in sacking the capital? Lol it’s hard to even type that without laughing at the r absurdity of it. “Sack the capital sir? Sure thing? You want me to shoot the senators too? Aye aye captain!” Lolol

But let’s find out the real reason, using 5 seconds on Google (first result):

“Simply put, the National Guard only shows up to D.C. when they’ve been invited, and the Capitol Police did not extend that invitation until after the breach, according to a source with knowledge of the process, who was not authorized to speak about it on the record”

Wow it looks like the people who got fired for fucking up, namely the capital chief of police, had the responsibility to ask for the national guard and didn’t? They should fire that guy! Oh wait, they already did

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/07/this-is-why-the-national-guard-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/


Facts are tough huh?

[FatherSioux]

Was the event gross and embarrassing? Yes.

Was it an insurrection? No.

Could Trump have used more forceful language to cool the temperature of that day? Yes.

[Raev]

I'm going to just say this in bold: it was a riot, not an insurrection, and not a particularly violent riot at that.

I wish I had saved the youtube video of Jake Angeli in the Senate. He literally walks in, the cops guide him to his photo op, and he walks out. There was no shooting. The whole day was a gigantic PR stunt. The best I can do is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfgowkfQ1Rk), I guess.

Or maybe watch this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE7terSDSTo). The narrator is doing their absolute best to make you panic, and yet it's obvious the actual people were just chillin. It was a protest march at best.

Edit: Yeah, that second one has it at 1:14. 'c'mon dude, this is like the sacredest place, how about you come off there' - switch to commentary - HE WAS SEVERELY OUTNUMBERED

[Gravydoo II]

Are you referring to me?

Trump wanted national guard to protect his protestors from a potential brawl with counter protestors

There should have been more police there to control the crowd but MULTIPLE PEOPLE WERE FIRED because they fucked up and designed only 5 cops to control a crowd of tens of thousands of protestors

I do enjoy spelling this all out multiple times. Do you still need some more help keeping up?

In the middle of a riot, while they were assaulting the capitol, he "wanted national guard to protect his protestors from a potential brawl with counter protestors" while they they were currently engaged in a riot with police and assaulting the capitol building.

Gonna go with thats the dumbest fucking thing i have ever heard.

[Gravydoo II]

Yeah it is curious, especially since you said the national guard was meant to be an escort to assist in sacking the capital? Lol it’s hard to even type that without laughing at the r absurdity of it. “Sack the capital sir? Sure thing? You want me to shoot the senators too? Aye aye captain!” Lolol



Facts are tough huh?

Was not aware that stopping people from destroying property, looking to kill senators and mike pence, smearing shit all over the walls, stealing all kinds of shit, fighting with police, killing police, breaking their way in like 7 days to die, and looting was "sacking". Wow war must be really confusing for you.

[unsunghero]

In the middle of a riot, while they were assaulting the capitol, he "wanted national guard to protect his protestors from a potential brawl with counter protestors" while they they were currently engaged in a riot with police and assaulting the capitol building.

Gonna go with thats the dumbest fucking thing i have ever heard.

Oh that’s weird, because I just re-read the “testimony” in the original post (to which there is no official source linked for) and I missed the part where trump’s request for national guard to protect his protestors came as the capital was being sacked

So you just completely pulled that part out of your ass then? K

Good imagination though. You should be a fiction writer

[Gravydoo II]

I'm going to just say this in bold: it was a riot, not an insurrection, and not a particularly violent riot at that.

I wish I had saved the youtube video of Jake Angeli in the Senate. He literally walks in, the cops guide him to his photo op, and he walks out. There was no shooting. The whole day was a gigantic PR stunt. The best I can do is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfgowkfQ1Rk), I guess.

Or maybe watch this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE7terSDSTo). The narrator is doing their absolute best to make you panic, and yet it's obvious the actual people were just chillin. It was a protest march at best.

Edit: Yeah, that second one has it at 1:14. 'c'mon dude, this is like the sacredest place, how about you come off there' - switch to commentary - HE WAS SEVERELY OUTNUMBERED

If you just close your eyes and go LALALALALALALAALALA what you say is true. Put that head back in the sand. You're not even in the realm of reality.

Since nothing happened, this guy is lying to congress about the entire situation. Got it. Dumbest fucking thing ive heard in the past 3.5 mins.

[Gravydoo II]

Oh that’s weird, because I just re-read the “testimony” in the original post (to which there is no official source linked for) and I missed the part where trump’s request for national guard to protect his protestors came as the capital was being sacked

So you just completely pulled that part out of your ass then? K

Good imagination though. You should be a fiction writer

Why dont you prove me wrong? Stop being a little bitch and show me his testimony was different. Since you're calling me a liar. I'm calling you a bitch. Show us.

[unsunghero]

Was not aware that stopping people from destroying property, looking to kill senators and mike pence, smearing shit all over the walls, stealing all kinds of shit, fighting with police, killing police, breaking their way in like 7 days to die, and looting was "sacking". Wow war must be really confusing for you.

Lol semantics. Sacking means to take control of and take their stuff. You never heard of sacking a city?

[unsunghero]

Why dont you prove me wrong? Stop being a little bitch and show me his testimony was different. Since you're calling me a liar. I'm calling you a bitch. Show us.

First off, I’ll call bullshit on the entire thing until I see the source material. Or is that a ridiculous concept? Sorry for wanting to see source more legitimate than an anonymous poster on the p99 forum

Next, I’d like to see what time Trump was quoted as asking for national guard. Because it makes more sense to me, to ask for it BEFORE the protest began. And nowhere in that “testimony” with no source linked, does it give anything remotely resembling a time frame

Burden of proof is on the one presenting the conspiracy theory, genius

[beargryllz]

https://i.imgur.com/PriSkai.jpg

[G13]

BLM - Burns down cities and murders police officers = Mostly Peaceful Protests

Jan 6 - Capital Police brain an unarmed woman = "Insurrection"


Lefties always engaging in The Big Lie 24/7

[Horza]

Lol semantics. Sacking means to take control of and take their stuff. You never heard of sacking a city?

Of course, they just wanted to air their grievances and then hang Mike Pence :p

[unsunghero]

BLM - Burns down cities and murders police officers = Mostly Peaceful Protests

Jan 6 - Capital Police brain an unarmed woman = "Insurrection"


Lefties always engaging in The Big Lie 24/7

Pre capital riot lefties: “all cops are bad (#ACAB), fry them like bacon!”

After woman shot at capital, lefties: “well if she had just been following the law she wouldn’t have gotten shot”

[Pulgasari]

to (partially) answer the question about trump sending in troops, i think that's called posse comitatus and it's bad. he may have wanted to but lacked the authority.

[G13]

Of course, they just wanted to air their grievances and then hang Mike Pence :p

Laughable hyperbole

It was just an Antifa LARP

Modern day Leftie Riechstag Fire

[unsunghero]

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[unsunghero]

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[unsunghero]

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[unsunghero]

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[Pulgasari]

https://i.imgur.com/PriSkai.jpg

Art quality meme.

Fuck you man! :p

[unsunghero]

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[Pulgasari]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14550&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1620960655

Yeah comparing one event to multiple others does tend to skew the numbers a bit.

It do be like that.

[unsunghero]

Yeah comparing one event to multiple others does tend to skew the numbers a bit.

It do be like that.

K add it to all the other incidents of right wing terrorism within that year then. I’m all for doing a side by side tally

“But those police shooting rioters weren’t all BLM”. Yeah maybe not. But they were almost entirely black. And according to statistics: “Overall, 87% of black voters identify with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic” (source: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/)

So that means at least 87% of the police shooting rioters were democrats. Most likely it was closer to 100% because moderate or Republican black people wouldn’t be rioting with them, most likely

[Pulgasari]

K add it to all the other incidents of right wing terrorism within that year then. I’m all for doing a side by side tally

“But those police shooting rioters weren’t all BLM”. Yeah maybe not. But they were almost entirely black. And according to statistics: “Overall, 87% of black voters identify with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic” (source: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/)

So that means at least 87% of the police shooting rioters were democrats. Most likely it was closer to 100% because moderate or Republican black people wouldn’t be rioting with them, most likely

lol blm is mostly white people you double clown.

Reinoehl for example.

[Horza]

“But those police shooting rioters weren’t all BLM”. Yeah maybe not. But they were almost entirely black. And according to statistics: “Overall, 87% of black voters identify with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic” (source: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/)

So that means at least 87% of the police shooting rioters were democrats. Most likely it was closer to 100% because moderate or Republican black people wouldn’t be rioting with them, most likely

:confused:

[unsunghero]

lol blm is mostly white people you double clown.

Reinoehl for example.

Kk but it wasn’t the white liberal members of BLM that were rioting and looting following the police shootings

I can’t say completely because of course there’s always going to be some. Here’s a good example, speaking of clowns, we got put on lockdown for 2 full weeks with curfews and all stores closed because this idiot wanted to live stream loot Fashion Square mall for internet clout

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/3144396001

[Pulgasari]

Kk but it wasn’t the white liberal members of BLM that were rioting and looting following the police shootings

I can’t say completely because of course there’s always going to be some. Here’s a good example, speaking of clowns, we got put on lockdown for 2 full weeks with curfews and all stores closed because this idiot wanted to live stream loot Fashion Square mall for internet clout

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/3144396001

do you really follow the Paul brothers?

yee-ikes dude

[Bardp1999]

Trump lost, just leave him alone jesus christ

[Horza]

Trump lost, just leave him alone jesus christ

You're really going to blame a guy for wanting to gloat?

[Pulgasari]

Trump lost, just leave him alone jesus christ

No he's back in blog form (https://i.imgur.com/HUHjBAF.gif)!

[unsunghero]

Home now, so I can show what happens when protestors and counter protestors meet at a rally. Gee, I can’t imagine requesting national guard security when things like this tend to happen (play the video, it’s only like 1min45s long)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/proud-boys-clash-with-black-lives-matter-protesters-antifa-in-portland/2020/08/23/4eab3028-607d-4923-9007-95de454e9b3f_video.html

And that vid is tame compared to the ones I saw. Maybe someday we can meet on opposite sites of that melee and smash sticks into each other’s faces?

Jk you couldn’t pay me to be at one of those

[unsunghero]

If you’re ever interested in attending , I’d recommend some hefty duty goggles because a shitload of pepper spray seems to be dumped around during these melees

[Pulgasari]

Home now, so I can show what happens when protestors and counter protestors meet at a rally. Gee, I can’t imagine requesting national guard security when things like this tend to happen (play the video, it’s only like 1min45s long)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/proud-boys-clash-with-black-lives-matter-protesters-antifa-in-portland/2020/08/23/4eab3028-607d-4923-9007-95de454e9b3f_video.html

And that vid is tame compared to the ones I saw. Maybe someday we can meet on opposite sites of that melee and smash sticks into each other’s faces?

Jk you couldn’t pay me to be at one of those

I already told you using the military for law enforcement isn't frickin allowed shutup

[unsunghero]

do you really follow the Paul brothers?

yee-ikes dude

No I don’t follow that fucking troglodyte. It was all that was talked about at work because it was local news, I found out him then

Apparently he boxes washed up MMA wrestlers now. I’d like to box Jake Paul but that dude is on enough gear to kill a horse, so it could be dicey

[unsunghero]

I already told you using the military for law enforcement isn't frickin allowed shutup

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/19/politics/national-guard-dc-derek-chauvin-verdict/index.html

[Pulgasari]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/19/politics/national-guard-dc-derek-chauvin-verdict/index.html

Is DC special or have I missed the trolley? :confused:

[unsunghero]

Basically how Minneapolis prepared for the chauvin trial was a shining example of how you prepare for a potentially unruly crowd and the capital dc election protests preparation was a fucking disgrace

Sorry, a planned conspiracy I mean

[unsunghero]

Is DC special or have I missed the trolley? :confused:

I have no idea. The police can request national guard that’s all I know

[Pulgasari]

I have no idea. The police can request national guard that’s all I know

Holy shit a human! :D

[Jontheripper]

This shit belongs in RnF

[unsunghero]

Holy shit a human! :D

Which is why the argument that Trump (or any leader) was planning on weaponizing the military against citizens or the capital is silly

And it’s also a way to dismantle the conservative argument that assault rifles and high tech military weapons are necessary to protect themselves from a corrupt future leader turning the military on citizens. That’s their main justification for needing them for self defense

While that scenario COULD I guess occur because it has in the past at various points in history, the scenario is really really unlikely now

If I was in the military, and Trump said “I order you to kill all the democrats”, I would say “I have an order for you sir, go fuck yourself”. I want democrats to live peacefully as FAR away from me as possible. I don’t want them dead. And regardless of whether it was a Republican or Democrat or whoever ordering the military to mass kill civilians, so many military members would quit on the spot there wouldn’t be enough room in all the military prisons in the country for all of them. Not only would tons quit, a lot of those would likely join the other side that isn’t calling for genocide and now it’s like “oops now you’re outnumbered. So that was a stupid idea to turn the military on citizens now wasn’t it?”

So that argument of “we need protection from our own military” is kinda weak, I’ve always thought. That being said, I stand to inherit an expensive and tricked out assault rifle from my dad, so banning them would make me sad

[beargryllz]

https://i.imgur.com/E20w6IJ.jpg

CHOOSE

[FatherSioux]

7 pages of lefties flailing with no actual answers.

Count this is a win for the good guys.

[Gravydoo II]

There is no answer. Trump did it. He's a pedophile, rapist, and traitor. Tried to use the military on its own people. What else is there to know? You support that.

[GinnasP99]

Trump did it. He's a pedophile



https://joebiden.info/

[Gravydoo II]

Show me the interview where he hopes his daughter has big tits.
Jow biden hung out with epstein for 2 decades?? Partied with him?? Went to his island??

Oh I know, bill clinton.. I didnt vote for bill clinton. I dont support bill clinton put him in jail. You are incapable of admitting your cult leader was best friends with a notorious pedophile for decades.

[starkind]

it was an ascension party and the capple sucked them all up into george washingtons butthole using abrahams dick as a straw (ssorry)

[FatherSioux]

Show me the interview where he hopes his daughter has big tits.
Jow biden hung out with epstein for 2 decades?? Partied with him?? Went to his island??

Oh I know, bill clinton.. I didnt vote for bill clinton. I dont support bill clinton put him in jail. You are incapable of admitting your cult leader was best friends with a notorious pedophile for decades.

The Left is really afraid Trump runs again. He’s still living in the feeble minds of you folk.

[Gravydoo II]

Remember when they didnt plan the attack? Like 9/11. It was just a coincidence that a bunch of planes were hijacked and rammed into buildings on the same day. What a wild day.

[FatherSioux]

Remember when they didnt plan the attack? Like 9/11. It was just a coincidence that a bunch of planes were hijacked and rammed into buildings on the same day. What a wild day.

Sliding into desperation.

[Byue]

https://globalnews.ca/video/7859496/republican-lawmaker-compares-u-s-capitol-riot-to-a-normal-tourist-visit


Actual video of a republican who said that if you look at the images of the capitol insurrection found online, it looks more like a fun tourist tour of the capitol.


Can't make this shit up.
https://globalnews.ca/video/7859496/republican-lawmaker-compares-u-s-capitol-riot-to-a-normal-tourist-visit

[Byue]

"the left is really scared of Trump...."


Alexandria.... Occasio... Cortez.
Ilhan... Omar
Nancy ... Pelosi!

Hilary Clinton!
Brnie Sanders.


None of those a president, or an ex president.
more ink runs on them than about 45.

I mean, you have to talk about a president when he is in office.
What about an ex waitress scares you so much?
Or what about an ex refugee scares you so much?
Or an old man?
Or an old woman?

[Pulgasari]

Or what about an ex refugee scares you so much?


mostly her hat

[Horza]

Show me the interview where he hopes his daughter has big tits.
Jow biden hung out with epstein for 2 decades?? Partied with him?? Went to his island??

Oh I know, bill clinton.. I didnt vote for bill clinton. I dont support bill clinton put him in jail. You are incapable of admitting your cult leader was best friends with a notorious pedophile for decades.

Conservatives just don't care that Trump moved in elite pedophile circles for many years.

[Gravydoo II]

Sliding into desperation.

9/11 was fake. Jan 6th was fake. Reality only happened if my daddy says.

[Gravydoo II]

Remember when you lost then tried to attack the capitol, after you lost? Then that failed, you lost again. The 60 court cases you lost. House, senate, presidency, lost. Looks like a party of losers to me. the GOL grand ole losers. Sorry loser.

[Pulgasari]

House strikes deal to create independent January 6 commission (https://www.wral.com/house-strikes-deal-to-create-independent-january-6-commission/19678375/)

The commission will include a 10-member panel, with half appointed by Democratic congressional leaders, including the chair, and half by Republicans, including the vice chair.

[Baler]

House strikes deal to create independent January 6 commission (https://www.wral.com/house-strikes-deal-to-create-independent-january-6-commission/19678375/)

The commission will include a 10-member panel, with half appointed by Democratic congressional leaders, including the chair, and half by Republicans, including the vice chair.

oh great,..

good use of tax payer dollars :rolleyes:

[Byue]

something goes wrong at work.
nobody cares.
the thing happens again.
surprised pikachu face

dude, if you think a mob breaching into your capitol, a mob chanting hang mike pence and attempting to stop the democratic process is normal and does not need further investigation, you are just weird.

Imagine fetishizing over Benghazi for years and then shrugging off an insurrection that left five dead in your own capital. Just plain weird.

[G13]

something goes wrong at work.
nobody cares.
the thing happens again.
surprised pikachu face

dude, if you think a mob breaching into your capitol, a mob chanting hang mike pence and attempting to stop the democratic process is normal and does not need further investigation, you are just weird.

Imagine fetishizing over Benghazi for years and then shrugging off an insurrection that left five dead in your own capital. Just plain weird.

A guy dressed up like a barbarian sat in Pelosi's chair

OMG Insurrection!

[Botten]

A guy dressed up like a barbarian sat in Pelosi's chair

OMG Insurrection!

Oh, I want to play! This down play game.

A group of alt right yelling lynch the GOP Vice President, seen on camera, escaping with the nuclear football one room away from the mob being lured away.

“No investigation needed.. move along maybe there is a pizza place down the road with supposed chain children in the basement you all can storm to enact alt right justice there.”

Ah Qanon those wacky trouble makers. Let’s all downplay it! And force out anyone who disagrees in the party!

[Raev]

Botten, how about you watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE7terSDSTo) of the so-called insurrection? Turn the sound off so you don't have to listen to the newswoman telling you how to think. Just watch the actual people.

They are all hanging out! Just look at their body language. 95% of them are on their phones taking selfies! They show a picture of a guillotine . . . and a guy climbing on it making sure his camcorder has a nice close-up of the rope! There is a beautiful photo that I wish I had saved. It shows Jake Angeli, the Q-anon shaman, standing in the Senate Chamber. On the balcony, directly over him, is a photographer taking a picture from above. It was a PR operation.

Now watch the video again with sound on and realize how utterly ridiculous the anchor and her 'expert' are. Did you know that in 1971 an actual bomb went off in the US capitol and did $300,000 worth of damage. Bill Clinton pardoned Susan Rosenberg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg) on his final day in office.

[Botten]

Botten, how about you watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE7terSDSTo) of the so-called insurrection? Turn the sound off so you don't have to listen to the newswoman telling you how to think. Just watch the actual people.

They are all hanging out! Just look at their body language. 95% of them are on their phones taking selfies! They show a picture of a guillotine . . . and a guy climbing on it making sure his camcorder has a nice close-up of the rope! There is a beautiful photo that I wish I had saved. It shows Jake Angeli, the Q-anon shaman, standing in the Senate Chamber. On the balcony, directly over him, is a photographer taking a picture from above. It was a PR operation.

Now watch the video again with sound on and realize how utterly ridiculous the anchor and her 'expert' are. Did you know that in 1971 an actual bomb went off in the US capitol and did $300,000 worth of damage. Bill Clinton pardoned Susan Rosenberg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg) on his final day in office.

Your right the officer being crushed and his eye being gouged out.

The girl storming the window broken only to get shot in the neck and die.

Whoops forgot to add the tangent to allow you to start your whataboutism. Trump pardon people who committed murder.

[Raev]

Brian Sicknick died of natural causes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick). Ashlee Babbitt was a sad case of unwarranted police brutality. Again, if you watch the video it will be absolutely clear that there was no insurrection, just a bunch of Trump supporters hanging out and taking selfies of themselves.

And as I have stated many times, I abandoned my pro-Trump position some two years ago as I gradually realized the man was a clown.

[Pulgasari]

Brian Sicknick died of natural causes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick). Ashlee Babbitt was a sad case of unwarranted police brutality. Again, if you watch the video it will be absolutely clear that there was no insurrection, just a bunch of Trump supporters hanging out and taking selfies of themselves.

And as I have stated many times, I abandoned my pro-Trump position some two years ago as I gradually realized the man was a clown.

Excusing the macabre to own the libs! :p

[Raev]

Excusing the macabre to own the libs! :p

I can certainly agree that some of the actions on 1/6 were not the epitome of good taste! But there is a vast gulf between parading around with a miniature guillotine and insurrection.

[Byue]

I think there should be a commission to investigate her emails.

I am talking about Ivanka's emails (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ivanka-trump-used-a-personal-email-account-to-send-hundreds-of-emails-about-government-business-last-year/2018/11/19/6515d1e0-e7a1-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html), of course.

I can certainly agree that some of the actions on 1/6 were not the epitome of good taste! But there is a vast gulf between parading around with a miniature guillotine and insurrection.

I mean, obviously, have you see Black Lives Matter Activists not hanging out and having fun at the side of protests?
Oh, surely, there are building in flames but you must know that it was only a protest!


Black Lives Matter do monday morning protests and I think the alt-right was just planning to walk inside the capitol to hang out in there without causing disruptions.

Let's hear the doublespeak and see the doublethink in action.

P.S: why do you need weapons to defend yourself. These burglars just wanted to hang out in yo kitchen look at their demeanor! Sure, they knocked a window to get in but are they rushing things or just seemingly hanging out in your lounging room?

[Horza]

Brian Sicknick died of natural causes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick). Ashlee Babbitt was a sad case of unwarranted police brutality. Again, if you watch the video it will be absolutely clear that there was no insurrection, just a bunch of Trump supporters hanging out and taking selfies of themselves.

And as I have stated many times, I abandoned my pro-Trump position some two years ago as I gradually realized the man was a clown.

Excusing domestic terrorism while trying to take back the House and Senate isn't a good look.

[Byue]

I think the lack of original ideas and actual policies make it so the right wingers are bombarded with the same idea, no plural needed, day in and day out and after a while, it's tough, not to believe the shit you are being repeated over an over.

It makes them prone to think and believe lies.
At first, it was antifa doing a criminal insurrection.
Now it wasn't an insurrection, it was just a regular day.

Well they tried the antifa shit it did not work.
But people seem to believe the second option.

Throw some shit at the wall until it sticks.
Then work that shit out.

And then when people wonder why the room they in is full of shit, tell them it is because of "the other side" who are not american, not like you, want to burn the country down and rape your wives.


Have some billionaires pretend they are working class populist.
And make fun of actual populists like Sanders.

Someone who takes care of the worker rage tweet at 4am, not try to raise the minimum wage you dimwitted cucked libs.

[Gravydoo II]

Brian Sicknick died of natural causes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick). Ashlee Babbitt was a sad case of unwarranted police brutality. Again, if you watch the video it will be absolutely clear that there was no insurrection, just a bunch of Trump supporters hanging out and taking selfies of themselves.

And as I have stated many times, I abandoned my pro-Trump position some two years ago as I gradually realized the man was a clown.

Yeah, he just died. Ate a shit load of bear spray, got beat, then had a heart attack. Totally natural. Thats how people die. That poor woman, her delusions cost her everything. I guess she was just on a guided tour with her friends in a building closed to the public.

[Gravydoo II]

140 officers injured
81 capitol police officers were assaulted
65 DC police suffered injuries like concussions, bruises all over from being beaten, irritated lungs from being pepper sprayed over and over.
38 tested positive for covid after the attack
1 was blinded by chemical spray

440 have been arrested for the attack, which was not planned, at all. lololol

But hey, you beat up the police, you kick the shit out of them, they didnt die. Its all good, right? Blue lives matter, right? Funny how all these injuries, all of them battery on a leo, not a big deal.

[G13]

Excusing domestic terrorism while trying to take back the House and Senate isn't a good look.

Barbarian Shaman sat in Pelosi's seat

OMG Terrorism!

[unsunghero]

There’s a lack of lib memes, because let’s face it, the left can’t meme good

Regardless, here’s some I enjoyed

[unsunghero]

That Choose Your Fighter meme was hilarious, saw that b4

[Gravydoo II]

Follow me on morse code! Myspace! AM radio 560, and watch for smoke signals!

[Byue]

Well, the left can't meme, the left can't meme...
We have solid memes, perhaps you haven't seen them from the inside of your echo chambers.


At any rate, you do realize that in order for something to be shared, you must relate to it.

I'm sorry you relate to a badly drawn frog that shits on half the american because they vote a different way than you and that this simplistic worldview truly resonate strongly enough with you to share this with the world.

I am sorry that black and white unnuanced sound bite is appealing enough to share and relate to. It shows a strong understanding of the world and how it works.

Also I'm sorry the Koch brothers don't pay us good enough to spew hatred online.

[unsunghero]

Well, the left can't meme, the left can't meme...
We have solid memes, perhaps you haven't seen them from the inside of your echo chambers.


At any rate, you do realize that in order for something to be shared, you must relate to it.

I'm sorry you relate to a badly drawn frog that shits on half the american because they vote a different way than you and that this simplistic worldview truly resonate strongly enough with you to share this with the world.

I am sorry that black and white unnuanced sound bite is appealing enough to share and relate to. It shows a strong understanding of the world and how it works.

Also I'm sorry the Koch brothers don't pay us good enough to spew hatred online.

I can laugh at lib comedy. A truly good comic can make fun of anything, and nothing should be sacred or off-limits. This is why I greatly respect the south park creators, who I recently found out are actually left leaning. They make fun of both sides, and are actually consistently funny about it

Here a satire statement on police bias. Normally I should be “rabble rabble back the blue! Rabble rabble, cops aren’t racist!” But it’s funny, so I don’t say anything. That’s how comedy should go

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iF6Wz7rypdU

[Byue]

Well I get it, but comedy is also conservatives being pro-life about women's body but pro-choice about vaccines.

Doesn't have to be in a sketch.
It's real life.


Or that fucking Republican congressman who denied there was an insurrection and likened Capitol rioters to tourists was photographed barricading the chamber doors against them (https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-rep-who-called-capitol-rioters-tourists-photographed-barricading-house-2021-5?utm_source=reddit.com)

Or let's say, Hilary not being locked up and Mexico who to this date, still has never paid a cent for the wall.

But hey, if a badly drawn frog make you resonate with politics, what do I have to say.
(unless that frog leads you to tikki marches, right?)

P.S: south park creator are libertarians. They make fun of everything but not everything.
the hunt trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sowGYbxTPgU&ab_channel=UniversalPictures) this movie is about liberal elites kidnapping conservatives to hunt them an it plays tropes on both side and it is actually funny but if you are left, like me, you feel like the movie ahs a lot of alt-right feel to it yet if you are an actual alt-right, like my friend, he'll think it's a leftist's movie. (although he will not argument very well about it)

What I am trying to say is it is very easy to think South Park is in the middle, like center but it really is not.
It will be very on point about laughing at the left but then side step right wing issues.
To make it center, you would need to laugh at the left as much as he right and we all now it isn't the case.
Now, does that make south park bad?
Man I grew up on that, I religiously watch all episodes.
Let's just be honest, even though if we are, south park is one of the good shows to poke fun at both sides but one side, more.
(and that is ok)

[Gravydoo II]

They want to forget about the frog.

[Byue]

nobody will ever forget about the frog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFh08JEKDYk&ab_channel=ABCNews%28Australia%29)

[Botten]

Barbarian Shaman sat in Pelosi's seat

OMG Terrorism!

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-rep-who-called-capitol-rioters-tourists-photographed-barricading-house-2021-5

“ A Republican congressman who denied there was an insurrection and likened Capitol rioters to tourists was photographed barricading the chamber doors against them”

They are terrorist but not terrorists ...

[Byue]

Isn't it gold, the level of hypocrisy from the right wingers?


Cue in the videos of a few crazy 17 years old feminist to discredit the entire left moving the goalpost away from the fact the republican party protects pedophiles and kick out people speaking their truth because cancel culture is bad and lets save the children.

[Gravydoo II]

The party of emotions and Roy Moore.

[Gustoo]

Isn't it gold, the level of hypocrisy from the right wingers?





The hypocrisy and outrage to and from either side is 100% equal. Looking down and sneering at your right or left wing enemies is the stated goal of the people that want to cuck you for your entire life. Get uncucked and stop hating your neighbor. Look around. Life is real. The person next door to you is 50/50 chance your political opposite, and your political opposite in the USA is almost identical to you. You're both victims, the homes of your children are being sold to investment corporations with chinese backing to get your ancestors back to serfdom as soon as possible. Democrat and republican congresspeople allow this to happen because they are SELLING YOU DOWN THE RIVER

Stop wasting your energy hating your fellow victim and start solving problems. When they get you stop paying attention to how they rape you, they win. Your brother and your sister and your neighbor is not your enemy. The people sending your jobs away the people making your homes unaffordable and the people who want you in a rat race your entire life are. Step away from the hampster hate/work/hate/work/hate/work/hate/eq/work/eq/hate/work wheel and choose life.



Ma

[Horza]

Is there anything more annoying than cringy, ineffective centrists?

[Gustoo]

Is that a rhetorical question? Poll results are in, angry lefts are more annoying.

I'm not a centrist, I want America to be strong, and it isn't strong when whoever the Big Boss is has the American people at each others throats dealing with none of the infinite issues that are easy to fix and would vastly improve all of our lives. You're wasting your time and effort and solving nothing.

[Byue]

Is that a rhetorical question? Poll results are in, angry lefts are more annoying.

I'm not a centrist, I want America to be strong, and it isn't strong when whoever the Big Boss is has the American people at each others throats dealing with none of the infinite issues that are easy to fix and would vastly improve all of our lives. You're wasting your time and effort and solving nothing.


45 was actively sowing distrust amongst the American populace and is revered like a god by many people here so would that be more annoying?


https://thenib.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/centrist-history-3-2ee.jpg

https://thenib.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/centrist-history-2-0be.jpg
Why won't the image load up?

[Gravydoo II]

The hypocrisy and outrage to and from either side is 100% equal. Looking down and sneering at your right or left wing enemies is the stated goal of the people that want to cuck you for your entire life. Get uncucked and stop hating your neighbor. Look around. Life is real. The person next door to you is 50/50 chance your political opposite, and your political opposite in the USA is almost identical to you. You're both victims, the homes of your children are being sold to investment corporations with chinese backing to get your ancestors back to serfdom as soon as possible. Democrat and republican congresspeople allow this to happen because they are SELLING YOU DOWN THE RIVER

Stop wasting your energy hating your fellow victim and start solving problems. When they get you stop paying attention to how they rape you, they win. Your brother and your sister and your neighbor is not your enemy. The people sending your jobs away the people making your homes unaffordable and the people who want you in a rat race your entire life are. Step away from the hampster hate/work/hate/work/hate/work/hate/eq/work/eq/hate/work wheel and choose life.



Ma

Pretty sure one side isnt trying to make it illegal to vote. Passed 300+ laws for a problem that DOES NOT exist. Ive seen one fraudulent vote. 300+ laws... whos losing their minds here? One side lost, now they want to make it as hard as possible to cast a ballot. They did the same thing with unemployment in FL. Made it as difficult as possible, on purpose. Dont pretend they dont do shit like that.

[Horza]

Is that a rhetorical question? Poll results are in, angry lefts are more annoying.

I'm not a centrist, I want America to be strong, and it isn't strong when whoever the Big Boss is has the American people at each others throats dealing with none of the infinite issues that are easy to fix and would vastly improve all of our lives. You're wasting your time and effort and solving nothing.

That's my point, if you scratch a centrist then you're bound to find a temporarily embarrassed Republican.

[unsunghero]

Pretty sure one side isnt trying to make it illegal to vote. Passed 300+ laws for a problem that DOES NOT exist. Ive seen one fraudulent vote. 300+ laws... whos losing their minds here? One side lost, now they want to make it as hard as possible to cast a ballot. They did the same thing with unemployment in FL. Made it as difficult as possible, on purpose. Dont pretend they dont do shit like that.

I guess nobody convinced them that black people are too stupid to get an ID

Liberal politicians push the inferiority of black people so hard it almost seems like conditioning

[Pulgasari]

I guess nobody convinced them that black people are too stupid to get an ID

Liberal politicians push the inferiority of black people so hard it almost seems like conditioning

'all districts' does some lifting here.

List of countries that have federally(or whatever) controlled elections.

e: are you Doug?

[unsunghero]

'all districts' does some lifting here.

List of countries that have federally(or whatever) controlled elections.

Regardless, the focus SHOULD be “let’s figure out a way to make it easier for everyone to get an ID”, not moving further away from having a secure system. Why have any checks at all? Are you who you say you are? Have you voted already? Ok, sure, I’ll take your word for it!

It’s just like these ridiculous diversity quotas. Instead of fixing representation by doing a combination of discriminating against a certain race and pushing through barely or unqualified candidates of another race, instead the better approach would be to figure out a way to inspire interest in a particular field within a particular community. Because not all communities of people have similar job interests. Some communities are either not aware of, or not interested in, particular fields. So work with the community to foster interest. Stop trying knee-jerk, and completely unfair, quotas as a solution

[Pulgasari]

Regardless, the focus SHOULD be “let’s figure out a way to make it easier for everyone to get an ID”, not moving further away from having a secure system. Why have any checks at all? Are you who you say you are? Have you voted already? Ok, sure, I’ll take your word for it!

It’s just like these ridiculous diversity quotas. Instead of fixing representation by doing a combination of discriminating against a certain race and pushing through barely or unqualified candidates of another race, instead the better approach would be to figure out a way to inspire interest in a particular field within a particular community. Because not all communities of people have similar job interests. Some communities are either not aware of, or not interested in, particular fields. So work with the community to foster interest. Stop trying knee-jerk, and completely unfair, quotas as a solution

What if states choose not to require an ID to vote?

[unsunghero]

What if states choose not to require an ID to vote?

Matt, please do my research for me. Sigh, ok

Edit: oops I thought u were asking which states don’t require an ID to vote

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/voter-id-laws-by-state

States like CA allow, in lieu of a state ID, either any form of picture ID which can be things as easy to get as a library card or gym card, or in lieu of that, 2 forms of mailing verification, which can be things like a power bill

Democrats politicians have always taken the stance of “by requiring state ID to vote, you are suppressing disadvantaged populations who either, due to a lack of transport or education or having English as their native language, struggle to get an official state ID. So it is discriminatory to require an ID to vote”

Ok, how about we make it easier for them to get an ID then?

Democrat politicians:

[unsunghero]

By requiring only things like 2 forms of bills via mail, you are making it much easier for someone who is undocumented to vote. Or just for people to cheat in general by faking an identity or using someone else’s. Which does occur, believe it or not. Not on the scale Trump claimed, but it does most definitely occur. And the ones caught, like any crime, are the tip of the iceberg compared to the ones doing the crime

[Pulgasari]

I meant like what can you do about it because constitutionally it's their right not to?

[unsunghero]

I meant like what can you do about it because constitutionally it's their right not to?

They have a right to vote, but requiring an official state ID to vote is simply a more secure system than not. There is no denying this. I understand why states offer alternatives, but these undeniably make it easier to cheat, on a factor based on how lax these requirements are

To offer a flip side of the coin, the thing that system does well, is penalize cheating: “ harsh criminal penalties, including up to 5 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000 for citizens and possible deportation for non-citizens”

No if’s and’s or butt’s about it, that is a stiff penalty. That alone will dissuade a lot of motive to cheat. But security is still important

[Pulgasari]

You're missing the point, they aren't even required to listen to us

Keep grinding that cudgel

[unsunghero]

Who is “they”? I’m lost

[Horza]

How many incidents of voter fraud took place in California this election?

[Pulgasari]

Who is “they”? I’m lost

States control their own elections, feds dont. If the Wisconsin legislature picked the Packers o-line as their electors, that's how it would be.

Here's a meme to help you understand

https://i.imgur.com/k2aGTmH.gif

[Gravydoo II]

The penalty for casting an illegal ballot is pretty heavy. Laws already exist and the only people ive seen casting fraudulent ballots are trump supporters and he lost. Doh... I guess you dont realize what you're doing. Dont cry when you have the lowest turn out ever.

Watch, this is fuck over their own voters so hard. Its going to be hilarious. I'm sure all those retirement communities are going to love the new regulations. lolol Better hope grandma can stand in line for 12 hours to drop off her ballot lol. Thats like 50% of republicans.

[unsunghero]

How many incidents of voter fraud took place in California this election?

How many instances of identity theft fraud occurred in CA in 2016? How about inheritance claim fraud?

Turns out not newsworthy news is not newsworthy. Where can I find a list of all the perpetrators of all different possible crimes in CA? Show me where that list is and I’ll find the section on voting while ineligible

Turns out crime happens and the only ones YOU tend to hear about are funneled through the lens of “what is the perpetrator’s skin color? What is the victim’s skin color” and only a very specific kind of news emerges

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/california-man-charged-with-voter-fraud-after-allegedly-casting-his-mothers-ballots-years-after-her-death/ar-BB18eM0b

[Gravydoo II]

No no.. Dont change the subject. Name one time that happened. Someone stole an identity, then VOTED for some fucking STUPID reason.. omfg thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. Lets steal an identity, then go sign my name, get fingerprints all over a ballot that aint mine, go put my face on camera, go get a fake ID made... jesus christ. for ONE vote... why wouldnt you just steal money??? Thats so fucking stupid. You'd have to change their address to your address, then apply for the ballot, receive it, lolol so fucking stupid.

[Gravydoo II]

BTW over 400 people have been arrested for the capitol insurrection that was not planned at all.

[unsunghero]

I dunno man I guess it matters to some people. I agree it’s a shitload to risk. I would call it a stupid thing to do

But it does occur. It just isn’t considered newsworthy most of the time. Like a lot of different non-sensational crimes. But like I said, there’s gotta be a list somewhere. I just don’t know where, not gonna lie

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-skid-row-voter-fraud-20181120-story.html

[Horza]

How many instances of identity theft fraud occurred in CA in 2016? How about inheritance claim fraud?

Turns out not newsworthy news is not newsworthy. Where can I find a list of all the perpetrators of all different possible crimes in CA? Show me where that list is and I’ll find the section on voting while ineligible

Turns out crime happens and the only ones YOU tend to hear about are funneled through the lens of “what is the perpetrator’s skin color? What is the victim’s skin color” and only a very specific kind of news emerges

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/california-man-charged-with-voter-fraud-after-allegedly-casting-his-mothers-ballots-years-after-her-death/ar-BB18eM0b

So you're not going to answer my question then?

[unsunghero]

Also, saying that our security is great because a lot of people in total haven’t been caught...think about that statement

It’s like....oooook but that’s also what a BAD security system would report. Not a lot of people caught...

[unsunghero]

So you're not going to answer my question then?

Those links. Do you know what internet links are? Those were news articles I found on Google in 5 seconds. You asked for examples, the first was from 2014 I believe, so I posted another from 2018

[unsunghero]

Oh you want the list. Like I said, show me where that kind of information is public record, and I’ll get you a list

I’m not digging through California’s entire legal system documentation on your whim there breugh. That’s a pass from me

[Horza]

I asked how many cases of voter fraud took place in California this election.

[unsunghero]

I asked how many incidents of voter fraud took place in California this election.

See my above post

[Gravydoo II]

So voting security is bad because it doesnt catch id fraud... wow. ok. goodnight

[Horza]

See my above post

You're looking for a solution to a problem you can't even be bothered to understand.

[unsunghero]

So voting security is bad because it doesnt catch id fraud... wow. ok. goodnight

My internet security program is crappy. It’s a free version that’s 5 years out of date. It hardly catches any trogans. This means hardly any trogans are out there

[Byue]

right wingers: can't trust the government, they all corrupt drain the swamp!

also right wingers: well if only they all got ID with their present addresses and all pertinent information about them. It's not like we already use every tool we have to make racism systemic so why don't they get ID?!

in my country, it is very easy to have a government ID: you have a health card you show to access free healthcare services.

Other than that, an official government ID looks like... a driver license or a fucking passport.
Do you folks have different options?
I don't own a fucking car so why should I get a driver license and I don't plan on travelling soon so why should I have a thing that expires in two years?
Do you not see why a lot of people, democrats voter who don't own a fucking car because we live in cities where rolling coal isn't really a good idea, think this is stupid?

Right wingers: Elon Musk is right let's colonize mars, we have the technology.
Also right wingers: wait you can't vote without a piece of paper with a picture on it!


Better idea (not): why not create a big database of voters with their face id on the database and you can just scan everyone as they come, no id needed.
Sounds great? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear bruv.

My internet security program is crappy. It’s a free version that’s 5 years out of date. It hardly catches any trogans. This means hardly any trogans are out there

Flawless logic.
It's a bit like there was massive voter fraud so wide and obvious and everyone knows about it yet nobody can produce a shred of evidence to prove it.
Which prove it is real voter fraud.

I think universities bias on the left is just right winger for: I'm not smart enough to go through something harder than high school.




edit: release the kraken bruv. we were supposed to see the kraken back in november.
Don't play, show your proof.

[unsunghero]

right wingers: can't trust the government, they all corrupt drain the swamp!

also right wingers: well if only they all got ID with their present addresses and all pertinent information about them. It's not like we already use every tool we have to make racism systemic so why don't they get ID?!

in my country, it is very easy to have a government ID: you have a health card you show to access free healthcare services.

Other than that, an official government ID looks like... a driver license or a fucking passport.
Do you folks have different options?
I don't own a fucking car so why should I get a driver license and I don't plan on travelling soon so why should I have a thing that expires in two years?
Do you not see why a lot of people, democrats voter who don't own a fucking car because we live in cities where rolling coal isn't really a good idea, think this is stupid?

Right wingers: Elon Musk is right let's colonize mars, we have the technology.
Also right wingers: wait you can't vote without a piece of paper with a picture on it!

Better idea (not): why not create a big database of voters with their face id on the database and you can just scan everyone as they come, no id needed.
Sounds great? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear bruv.

It’s generally a good idea to have. Which is why it baffles me why I have never once heard a liberal politician say we need to make it easier for everyone to get an ID

It’s required to:

Buy alcohol
Buy cigarettes
Open a bank account
Apply for social services
Apply for federal health insurance
Apply for unemployment or a job
Rent/buy a house
Get legally married
Fly on an airplane
Buy a gun

Now those might not mean a lot to you guys, for some of us they really enhance the quality of life. Just the alcohol and the guns. Fuck the rest 😄

[unsunghero]

I guess to play devil’s advocate I never heard a conservative politician say we need to make it easier for everyone to get an ID either ��

[unsunghero]

right wingers: can't trust the government, they all corrupt drain the swamp!

also right wingers: well if only they all got ID with their present addresses and all pertinent information about them. It's not like we already use every tool we have to make racism systemic so why don't they get ID?!

in my country, it is very easy to have a government ID: you have a health card you show to access free healthcare services.

Other than that, an official government ID looks like... a driver license or a fucking passport.
Do you folks have different options?
I don't own a fucking car so why should I get a driver license and I don't plan on travelling soon so why should I have a thing that expires in two years?
Do you not see why a lot of people, democrats voter who don't own a fucking car because we live in cities where rolling coal isn't really a good idea, think this is stupid?

Right wingers: Elon Musk is right let's colonize mars, we have the technology.
Also right wingers: wait you can't vote without a piece of paper with a picture on it!


Better idea (not): why not create a big database of voters with their face id on the database and you can just scan everyone as they come, no id needed.
Sounds great? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear bruv.



Flawless logic.
It's a bit like there was massive voter fraud so wide and obvious and everyone knows about it yet nobody can produce a shred of evidence to prove it.
Which prove it is real voter fraud.

I think universities bias on the left is just right winger for: I'm not smart enough to go through something harder than high school.




edit: release the kraken bruv. we were supposed to see the kraken back in november.
Don't play, show your proof.

Did I ever say massive voter fraud occurred? Talk about making inferences. I’m saying that a security system that touts a lack of successful catches as the only necessary evidence that the threat isn’t significant is stupid logic

Anything more than that inferred is mental gymnastics on your part. Stretch first

I’m saying voter fraud occurs. It did before 2016, and it will after

[Byue]

Did I ever say massive voter fraud occurred? Talk about making inferences. I’m saying that a security system that touts a lack of successful catches as the only necessary evidence that the threat isn’t significant is stupid logic

Anything more than that inferred is mental gymnastics on your part. Stretch first

I’m saying voter fraud occurs. It did before 2016, and it will after

Oh, I mean, most democratic countries have figured out how to run election without scams for a while now but maybe the US is severely lagging behind?

I think virtually everyone agree that whatever it is human do, someone is going to cheat but do you know how difficult it would be to vote in person for different people, the time it would take you in a day and you would have swayed what, 4-5 votes in a day?

Voter fraud is very real, and we actually usually have evidence for it.
It's just never been on the scale you guys fetishizes about.


But if you want to believe that there was a fraud you cant prove because the Americans are just very bad at running free and fair elections, this is your prerogative.


All I know is that there is massive evidence the Russian interfered with the 2016 elections yet you refuse to debate that but you totally not planned to attack the capitol during a day 45 asked you to be there to fight like hell for your country because of voter fraud you cannot prove.

Wild, no?


I’m saying that a security system that touts a lack of successful catches as the only necessary evidence that the threat isn’t significant is stupid logic.

lol. this is gold.
I'm keeping this useful quote.

[unsunghero]

Voter fraud is very real, and we actually usually have evidence for it

K, how is that again? I understand the concept that we have evidence when we catch someone breaking the law

Now how does prove something about the number of people potentially not getting caught for breaking that law. Because when someone gets away with breaking a law, we actually DON’T have any evidence of it


It's just never been on the scale you guys fetishizes about.


Oops, was I out of conservative hive-mind sync when I strayed from the “massive voter fraud occurred” talking point?

Yknow I did miss the last two secret white supremacy meetings, where we were issued our checks from the banking sector Grand Wizards

This is why I’m out of sync

[Byue]

K, how is that again? I understand the concept that we have evidence when we catch someone breaking the law

Now how does prove something about the number of people potentially not getting caught for breaking that law. Because when someone gets away with breaking a law, we actually DON’T have any evidence of it



Oops, was I out of conservative hive-mind sync when I strayed from the “massive voter fraud occurred” talking point?

Yknow I did miss the last two secret white supremacy meetings, where we were issued our checks from the banking sector Grand Wizards

This is why I’m out of sync

Can someone explain to this guy how we find things we don't know about?
Like how to make metal birds fly or car go vrrr or guns go PEW loudly and super fast.

I'll let you in on a secret: there are hell of a lot smarter people than we, out there.
Because you don't know how doesn't mean humans don't know how.

So uhm, basically, here is how you find out about things, welcome to grade 8 science class.

Make an observation.
Ask a question.
Form a hypothesis, or testable explanation.
Make a prediction based on the hypothesis.
Test the prediction.
Iterate: use the results to make new hypotheses or predictions.

Bro, the law is rather clear and simple.
Those are the parameters.

Do you know what a wargame is?
"wargame" it out with a bunch of smart people.
Oh shit, this could be...
problematic.

I'm surprised you made it out of the teenage years, someone must have taken a great deal of a good care for you because goddamn you are not the most thawed pogo in the box.

Edit: how does the police find criminals unless they just happen to be there when the crime was committed? Like if you seen it, you seen it but how do you catch people you haven't seen commit crimes?

lol.

[unsunghero]

Can someone explain to this guy how we find things we don't know about?

I'll admit, this question is tough. This is the first time I can say I am pretty stumped

I might have to actually put a pin in this and come back after doing some research. Hang on

Oh yeah, you improve your security system. My 5 year old antivirus program doesn't catch shit, but then I patched it and holy shit! Look at all the trojans I had picked up from only surfing warez and free mp3 sites. Who knew that was all it would take was improving security to find all the things that slipped past my old security

Mail in voting will never be as secure as in person voting. That's why mail in voting on a scale even remotely this large didn't exist in the USA pre-covid. Even by democrats it was seen as a necessary risk, because they viewed the health risk of in person voting as greater (or so they claimed, I agree to disagree with them on this one)

Did it result in massive voter fraud? I was saying no long before any other conservative was

[unsunghero]

I'll let you in on a secret: there are hell of a lot smarter people than we, out there.
Because you don't know how doesn't mean humans don't know how

So are we relying on the "people smarter than I created these systems to enforce our laws, therefore they have no potential failings" explanation?

So we can apply this concept to the use of lethal force?

Oh, and capital punishment?

I mean people like to armchair critique the fuck out of those, but if law enforcement is a bunch of smartie scientist types, then they probably are getting everything else right too

[Byue]

Then it is all on your honor, I salute you.

I am wrong often, and will not fight when I am and I'm glad you reviewed your position, a bit. Your example was very good.
If a computer is the parameter, the virus doesn't want to be found but you can find it.
Because you know what a clean computer looks like.

I think, and this is what experts seem to agree with, which is why I think that, that the biggest risk in mail-in voting is that your vote does not get counted for a myriad of administrative reasons.

There are serious safeguards that are remarkably easy to make to ensure the ballots are legit like serial numbers and what not, you now. We can do it for bank notes, and money is safe.

Again, the most probable thing that will happen if you vote by mail is that it is rejected for one of the many reasons it can be rejected for, like not being received on time, even if you mailed it in time and your signature not being 100% exactly like the one they have on file (which you know, it is fucking tough to do a signature the same, every time. "Real signatures are always slightly different and they differ every time. If the signatures are exact replica there is a very strong possibility of forgery. Difference between signatures increases proportionally with the complexity . Simple ones are less different from one another." ( why signing is different every time (https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5014&context=jclc))

No studies, whether conducted in the US or anywhere else in the world, found that there was an increased voter fraud when using mail.

And it makes sense, it's a lot of work for one vote and states, with the first past the post like the US has, don'T swing all that much.

Can you imagine doing this incredible voter fraud that extend to mail fraud and a lot of jail time for one extra vote?

Five states - Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington - hold their elections primarily by mail and have documented almost no cases of cheating. Oregon, for instance, has sent out more than 100 million mail ballots since 2000 and reported around a dozen cases of proven fraud.


Basically, there is not a tons of ways you can do voter fraud so we kind of know where to check.

Basically, you get more chances of changing an election by partaking in it, convincing your friends to go out and vote, etc.

Also, the last 3 people in the US charged with voter fraud were republicans :(
Correlation is not causation but it does mean, if the topic interests you, that perhaps listening to republicans on this is not ideal.

And seeing the facts, stricter ID laws for voting won't affect fraud but it will affect turn out and let me just say one thing:

WE have like, no power.
The only power we have, is to choose so basically, the biggest amount of people who gets to choose is good. Anything that lessen voter turn out can be seen as antidemocratic if voting is the only power you wield.

Think about that.


So are we relying on the "people smarter than I created these systems to enforce our laws, therefore they have no potential failings" explanation?

So we can apply this concept to the use of lethal force?

Oh, and capital punishment?

I mean people like to armchair critique the fuck out of those, but if law enforcement is a bunch of smartie scientist types, then they probably are getting everything else right too

No, I literally meant that there are a lot of very smart people working on these problems.
To me, seeing johny the uneducated republican not knowing how shit works is not a representation of knowledge.
I don't fucking know how to fly the soyouz but I trust it works and that someone who does know how to pilot it will be able to take it back to earth safely.
Even if I could never do it.

I'm saying that I don't really know American laws surrounding voting and that some smart people are making sure that there is less and less fraud, every cycle.

A bit like money printed in 2021 have more security features on them than the money printed in 2010 because some smart people benched over how forgers forge it and how they can avoid that.

"Most powerful country on earth!"
Can't even run an election without fraud because no smart people at all work on election security during the off election cycles.
You tried to twist what I said.
I don't think the NSA knows about every terrorist on earth but everyday, a little more. Right?

To be fair though, I think removing these machines is the first thing that should be done.
All western countries, all democratic countries actually, use paper and pen and it works wonder and it leaves a clear paper trail.
Very hard to hack.
Not without problems, but if India can vote with paper and count he billion of votes in less than a day, USA needs to get a better grip.



Can't claim to be a functioning democracy if you don't even believe in the institutions that serves democracy, like election officials telling you there was no fraud.

[unsunghero]

Five states - Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington - hold their elections primarily by mail and have documented almost no cases of cheating. Oregon, for instance, has sent out more than 100 million mail ballots since 2000 and reported around a dozen cases of proven fraud

You'll have to forgive me for not being filled with confidence in our system because 5 liberal state governments happened to not discover large amounts of evidence of what would be seen as a giant black eye on their voting procedure

also,

There are hardly any documented cases of female prostitutes being arrested. I conclude that this means there are hardly any female prostitutes in the USA (the real reason: police don't see it as a policing priority, due to most female prostitutes being victims themselves)

I hardly ever hear about people getting arrested for buying drugs off the dark web. Therefore, almost no one is buying drugs off the dark web (real reason: law enforcement still sucks at detecting it. But for all our advancements in cyber technology, good old unpatched, un-updated TOR is still > law enforcement)


And seeing the facts, stricter ID laws for voting won't affect fraud but it will affect turn out and let me just say one thing

So we should defer to the experts but this sounds like an expert assertation to me


Anything that lessen voter turn out can be seen as antidemocratic if voting is the only power you wield.

Think about that.

If we removed all security measures we would have the max amount of people voting. Therefore we shouldn't have any security measures if voter turnout is our sole priority. If having to write your name on your ballet feels like too much effort for 1 person, that rule just lessened voter turnout. So obviously we shouldn't be making blanket statements about voter turnout, but I do agree with the concept that lessening voter turnout on a large scale could be seen as anti-democratic

[Gravydoo II]

There you have it. Democrats cannot be trusted because they have black people in their party. Democrats cannot be trusted because they have immigrants and POC in their party. Only the lily white purity of the republican party, the same people who said "all elections are full of fraud but cant find a single example" can be trusted. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL The KKK guys, they are the ones that can be trusted. Not the party that says "election results are real and they happened".

[unsunghero]

"all elections are full of fraud but cant find a single example" can be trusted. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL The KKK guys, they are the ones that can be trusted. Not the party that says "election results are real and they happened".

A lie. I found examples in seconds on Google?

Oh is the rule that if the number is small we get to just round down to zero?

Ok, let me try! There were zero unjustified police shootings in the years 2019 and 2020. Hundreds of millions of police/civilian interactions, a handful of unjustified shootings. Round those down to zero. Zero unjustified shootings

[Gravydoo II]

Yep. Pretty much. You see how its a ratio?? For every one fraudulent republican vote, theres over 250,000,000 ones that were not. Oh I know they promised you daddy would be back but hes not coming back son. He's going to prison. Sorry kid, daddy is gone. Your little AZ audit attempts are back firing. Its all crumbling down around you, the entire republican party. Its hilarious watching it die and watching you flail to try to justify every little thing. Keep squirming.

Its actually less than one. Its 0.0025% for mail in. So yeah, you can round that to zero. See how that works?? Too hard?

Lets talk about what trumps going to be doing in prison. Its much more fun than watching you cry about "omg 1 fraudulent vote!! the entire system is WHAAA!! whaaa!!! i need my bottle!!"

[unsunghero]

Yep. Pretty much. You see how its a ratio?? For every one fraudulent republican vote, theres over 250,000,000 ones that were not. Oh I know they promised you daddy would be back but hes not coming back son. He's going to prison. Sorry kid, daddy is gone. Your little AZ audit attempts are back firing. Its all crumbling down around you, the entire republican party. Its hilarious watching it die and watching you flail to try to justify every little thing. Keep squirming.

Lets talk about what trumps going to be doing in prison. Its much more fun than watching you cry about "omg 1 fraudulent vote!! the entire system is WHAAA!! whaaa!!! i need my bottle!!"

If single fraudulent votes don’t matter, then I guess no state elections can be won by just a handful of votes. Ever

When did I say that Trump is going to overturn the election results again?

You all like to put words in my mouth and then play make believe with them harder than my little cousins play with their action figure toys

Here’s something I will say. Hold onto it ok? This is an actual quote from me for you to copy+save so you rub in my face: Trump is not going to jail

[unsunghero]

Or if this your conviction, then let’s back it with some money?

Let’s not use the end of this year, democrats work far too ineffectively and slowly for that

If, by the end of next year, Trump is not in prison, you owe me $100. If he is, I owe you $100

Let’s test these convictions. You have a year and a half to figure out how to RMT fungi tunics on P99 to make me the money, because I know ya’ll don’t work real jobs

[Gravydoo II]

Show me one state, an entire state, won by the margin of the total number of fraudulent ballots in the past 20 years. Show me one county. Show me one race. Just one.

We get it. No matter what, it wont be good enough because daddy lost. We get it. Because you hold everything to that standard. 1 is too many, its all invalid. Got it. When you get a spec of dirt on your car, you buy a new car, right? When you get a particle of dirt on your floor, you throw away the entire floor. got it.

You know court cases dont last exactly 7 months. Everyone knows that. That would be a VERY speedy court case. They are charging the former president and you want it to be over in 7 months? I decline.

Might want to google Cy Vance.

[unsunghero]

Show me one state, an entire state, won by the margin of the total number of fraudulent ballots in the past 20 years. Show me one county. Show me one race. Just one.

We get it. No matter what, it wont be good enough because daddy lost. We get it. Because you hold everything to that standard. 1 is too many, its all invalid. Got it. When you get a spec of dirt on your car, you buy a new car, right? When you get a particle of dirt on your floor, you throw away the entire floor. got it.

You know court cases dont last exactly 7 months. Everyone knows that. That would be a VERY speedy court case. They are charging the former president and you want it to be over in 7 months? I decline.

Might want to google Cy Vance.

Are you talking about the bet about trump going to Prison? Can you read? You do realize I said the end of NEXT year? That’s a year and 7 months. What’s the excuse now

Sure, find me a list of all fraudulent votes of every state in the past 20 years, and I’ll find an example where a state could have been won by that margin. Oh is that too much work? Oh you have a life? Ditto

[Gravydoo II]

Man dont do that. Its an impossible task. I was kidding. Be prepared to spend the next month in stats man.. its a fools errand. I wasnt serious. Dont waste your time man.

[Pulgasari]

Show me one state, an entire state, won by the margin of the total number of fraudulent ballots in the past 20 years. Show me one county. Show me one race. Just one.

We get it. No matter what, it wont be good enough because daddy lost. We get it. Because you hold everything to that standard. 1 is too many, its all invalid. Got it. When you get a spec of dirt on your car, you buy a new car, right? When you get a particle of dirt on your floor, you throw away the entire floor. got it.

You know court cases dont last exactly 7 months. Everyone knows that. That would be a VERY speedy court case. They are charging the former president and you want it to be over in 7 months? I decline.

Might want to google Cy Vance.

There was a coin flip in Iowa 2016

[Danth]

Show me one state, an entire state, won by the margin of the total number of fraudulent ballots in the past 20 years. Show me one county. Show me one race. Just one.

This is an interesting problem. As we've seen in the past, sufficiently close state elections usually end up being decided by the courts (notoriously Florida in 2000). You don't want your cheating to be TOO widespread because the odds of being caught rapidly increase as you involve more and more people.** Vote fraud would therefore work most effectively in a close-run election where the "cheating" side happens to be confident of controlling the relevant courts. In all probability such fraud would be more easily accomplished from the counting side rather from the ballot side.

**The near-impossibility of keeping hundreds or thousands of people quiet about something is why I usually reject large-scale conspiracies. There's always a snitch in any big group.

Danth

[unsunghero]

Man dont do that. Its an impossible task. I was kidding. Be prepared to spend the next month in stats man.. its a fools errand. I wasnt serious. Dont waste your time man.

Considering I’m driving to work atm and lately it’s been an absolute shitshow at work because the number of depressed people, especially kids, seems to double every year, I wasn’t planning on it

I’m out for a while

[Horza]

Looks like he's finally given up on sharing his retarded conspiracy theories about voter fraud.

[Horza]

Kevin McCarthy refuses to answer a question about whether he's absolutely sure that no House Republicans communicated with Jan. 6 insurrectionists. (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1395412370789445633)

[warlordtwo]

Insurrectionists made no effort to hide their intentions, but law enforcement protecting Congress was caught flat-footed.

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[Byue]

Police records show threats to kill lawmakers in wake of Capitol attack (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/23/police-records-capitol-attack-lawmakers)


I don't know.
Joe Biden won't lose the next election and anyway, even if he does, all he has to do now is say he won and see where that takes him. If he still loses somehow, people can come to the capitol with weapon and bombs, apparently it's normal and business as usual and I don't think our republicans brothers and sisters will mind much since they are defending it now.

Republicans really found themselves, this year with yells of "my body my choice" and shit.
We don't give them enough credit for their progressiveness.

[G13]

Looks like he's finally given up on sharing his retarded conspiracy theories about voter fraud.

2020 Election rigged 100%

Potato is an installed puppet

[Gravydoo II]

I hope he loses. We're gonna audit every single county, say he won, and get some cyber CYBORG ninjas to check for bamboo from south east asia. We'll go to court 60 times, lose, then say the judges were corrupt or someone was threatening the judges family to rule against us. (people actually say that, yes) Oh and we're gonna be unable to prove chain of custody of machines and ballots, then say we want the passwords to your personal pcs and all the pcs in the county. We need to check every record. Sound good? lol Dumb as fuck...

They did all of that.

[Byue]

Myanmarr looked at Trump two weeks before deciding that crazy is a good idea because dumb won't check and as long as dumb won't check, what can smart do?

Coincidentally, this is also why USA are a shitshow heading for the inevitable crumbling of the empire.

[G13]

I hope he loses. We're gonna audit every single county, say he won, and get some cyber CYBORG ninjas to check for bamboo from south east asia. We'll go to court 60 times, lose, then say the judges were corrupt or someone was threatening the judges family to rule against us. (people actually say that, yes) Oh and we're gonna be unable to prove chain of custody of machines and ballots, then say we want the passwords to your personal pcs and all the pcs in the county. We need to check every record. Sound good? lol Dumb as fuck...

They did all of that.

They are doing audits as we speak AZ

And calling for more in other places like GA

Need to get into those machines. Expose the Fraud.

[Mblake1981]

Coincidentally, this is also why USA are a shitshow heading for the inevitable crumbling of the empire.

The empire :o

Making it safe for our Democracy.

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[Byue]

Mblake1981, on the daily: you are not American, go away.

Also Mblake1981, on the daily: whatever we touch is America.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world is pretty ok with the term American imperialism meaning,

"American imperialism consists of policies aimed at extending the political, economic and cultural influence of the United States over areas beyond its boundaries. Depending on the commentator, it may include military conquest, gunboat diplomacy, unequal treaties, subsidization of preferred factions, economic penetration through private companies followed by intervention when those interests are threatened, or regime change."

Weird that of everything I choose to say, you guys always get upset by the shit that makes the most sense.
Weird how you think that if your face is right in the problem, it's harder to see it yet believe that as a non American I probably know nothing about America.

[Pulgasari]

Mblake1981, on the daily: you are not American, go away.

Also Mblake1981, on the daily: whatever we touch is America.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world is pretty ok with the term American imperialism meaning,

"American imperialism consists of policies aimed at extending the political, economic and cultural influence of the United States over areas beyond its boundaries. Depending on the commentator, it may include military conquest, gunboat diplomacy, unequal treaties, subsidization of preferred factions, economic penetration through private companies followed by intervention when those interests are threatened, or regime change."

Weird that of everything I choose to say, you guys always get upset by the shit that makes the most sense.
Weird how you think that if your face is right in the problem, it's harder to see it yet believe that as a non American I probably know nothing about America.

Imperialism is when free trade agreements.

[Horza]

They are doing audits as we speak AZ

And calling for more in other places like GA

Need to get into those machines. Expose the Fraud.

They did get into the machines, and it's going to cost the taxpayers millions because election officials don't know what was done to them by the auditors. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/maricopa-county-will-need-new-voting-machines-after-gop-s-n1268090)

[G13]

They did get into the machines, and it's going to cost the taxpayers millions because election officials don't know what was done to them by the auditors. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/maricopa-county-will-need-new-voting-machines-after-gop-s-n1268090)

NBC "News"

lol

[zodium]

Imperialism is when free trade agreements.

If it were necessary to give the briefest possible definition of imperialism we should have to say that imperialism is the monopoly stage of capitalism. Such a definition would include what is most important, for, on the one hand, finance capital is the bank capital of a few very big monopolist banks, merged with the capital of the monopolist associations of industrialists; and, on the other hand, the division of the world is the transition from a colonial policy which has extended without hindrance to territories unseized by any capitalist power, to a colonial policy of monopolist possession of the territory of the world, which has been completely divided up.