What if P99 blew up?

[Tunabros]

Not serious. Like one day, a huge youtube made a video on p99 then all of a sudden,

you have thousands of players joining p99 (I'm talking people of all ages)

the server population will go bump up to the thousands and people are ruining the game

what will you do? Would you quit? Would you troll the mass?

I'm curious what you guys have to say

[myrddraal]

I’m sure they would get p99 shut down if we got too big. They don’t care about a handful of people playing the ancient content, but with new TLPs coming out and being profitable, if this was a free alternative I doubt it would be allowed to stay running and competing for their business.

[unsunghero]

If it blew up it would probably be shut down by Daybreak’s legal team, because at that point it would be taking too many potential paying customers away from their servers, and Everquest is their intellectual property. This is similar to how blizzard shut that emulated WoW server down once it got too big and released Classic WoW

This is why it is a good thing, in a way, that the raid scene is total shit on P99 due to non-instancing. Because if it was as good as it is WITH instanced late game raids, the server would likely become popular the point it would be a financial hindrance to Daybreak and shut down

But if that DIDN’T happen, and more servers like Teal weren’t released again, I would

[unsunghero]

*Sorry I meant I would quit

[Nirgon]

Daybreak isn't disbanding Dark Men of Odus on Tarinax.

Interesting.

[strongNpretty]

Daybreak isn't disbanding Dark Men of Odus on Tarinax.

Interesting.

I mean is it though? Is it interesting to anybody but you? I say hell yes to P99 blowing up. Every single server of ours needs new life.. They are all top heavy as fuck.

[A Knight]

We will have to entomb something special, (Probably something of Brad McQuaids.) into a sword, and put it in a giant rectangle from 2001 A Space Odyssey, saying, "For one day, if EQ is not successful, use this to bring it back"

[HalflingSpergand]

More people don't ruin it they enhance it you taiwanesian

[Pulgasari]

i'd drop reavers on em

[Tunabros]

More people don't ruin it they enhance it you taiwanesian

remember green launch? lol

[HalflingSpergand]

Ya it was fun

[Danth]

Miniature version of this happened the winter of 2018-2019. For whatever reason P99 was hitting record population highs for a few months before folks drifted away.

P99 could use new players. EQ wasn't meant to be a static-population world. Players coming and going act as a currency-and-item sink and keep the lower level portions of the game populated and active.

Danth

[Dolalin]

I'd start an uber hardcore server where the neckbeardiest of neckbeards could take refuge from the great unwashed.

[Skarne]

i'd drop reavers on em

[Wall O Lead]

I would recruit them all into a guild... Slowly strengthen their EQ knowledge and gear them to the teeth. Then when the time is right, pull a "Gratz Bladefrenzy" and forever be indoctrinated into the P99 Hall of Fame.

[starkind]

Id play live EQ, modern wow, minecraft. Takp.

Or do what I already spend most of my time doing. Watching Stargate reruns and reading lore, quest text on allakhazam and

https://loreofnorrath.wordpress.com/category/gods/bertoxxulous/page/2/

To those of you getting trapped by Vulak and Yelinak. Seek help.

[starkind]

Miniature version of this happened the winter of 2018-2019. For whatever reason P99 was hitting record population highs for a few months before folks drifted away.

P99 could use new players. EQ wasn't meant to be a static-population world. Players coming and going act as a currency-and-item sink and keep the lower level portions of the game populated and active.

Danth
Very surprised how many bad at the game newbies populate greens sub 20 game. It's like there's at least 1/3rd greens pop won't admit they never played EQ before. But there they are!

It's been nice and refreshing.

[Mblake1981]

Pass.

I play here because of all the in-era idiots that remember and like similar shit that I do. I have little if anything in common with the pokemon age group and streamers creep me the hell out.

[starkind]

That classic project is still going with the in era client. Maybe I'd switch over with software glide emulation to be even cooler.

[hobart]

Daybreak isn't disbanding Dark Men of Odus on Tarinax.

Interesting.

They don't know what a piece of shit you are yet. I'm sure you'll fix that soon enough.

[strongNpretty]

They don't know what a piece of shit you are yet. I'm sure you'll fix that soon enough.

For real man. Do us all a favor and log off indefinitely Nirgon. All you do is scare the women and children anyways..

PS- Eat a fucking cheeseburger you frail bastard.

https://i.imgur.com/W20efOe.jpg

[cd288]

I mean this basically happened at Green launch. At peak didn't we have mid-2000s or so online? And then everyone whined and they opened another server because some people don't actually like classic. So that would probably happen again.

[starkind]

I mean this basically happened at Green launch. At peak didn't we have mid-2000s or so online? And then everyone whined and they opened another server because some people don't actually like classic. So that would probably happen again.

Tru.

[unsunghero]

I said I would quit because I already don’t like having to log on at 2am on green in order to be able to get a decent money spot for exp (and even then, no guarantee). Not everyone on this server is max level. Good exp or cash spots are crowded as fuck at low and mid levels. Add another 1000 players on top of that, and it would be a fucking nightmare

If it was multiple servers released, then no problem at all

[RecondoJoe]

the average human being would never be able to install p99, let alone get it running

[Gustoo]

True the install process is biggest barrier at this point.

If there were 1000 or 2000 or 20,000 players on pvp server I would be exceedingly excited.

If there were 2000 or 20,000 players on one PVE box it would be pretty miserable because there's just not enough mobs dropping good stuff for all the freaks that know how to beat the game now.

[Mblake1981]

When installing a program on a Windows PC is the biggest barrier.. lol.

Praise the heavens, P99 still has its share of the mentally disabled but they somehow manage to install a program. Notice I didn't call it an Apple branded 'app', btw the next Win10 update will include more android 'apps' since using a Windows computer seems to beyond the simple comprehension of people is beyond me.

Why would you want to play with that kind of person, of all people. Do you need to help them tie their shoe laces?

Joking aside, its disgusting behavior and a poor trend.

[UrkTheSlayer]

If half the forumquesters here bumped “what games are you playing while you wait?” threads on the 300 mmorpgs under development we could create a que on green.

What is server max pop? 2250 players right?

[myrddraal]

True the install process is biggest barrier at this point.

If there were 1000 or 2000 or 20,000 players on pvp server I would be exceedingly excited.

If there were 2000 or 20,000 players on one PVE box it would be pretty miserable because there's just not enough mobs dropping good stuff for all the freaks that know how to beat the game now.

Red would never reach 2k even if p99 did blow up simply because the people on red would grief them with their pre nerf epic'd rogue w a fungi instagibbing them or chain mezzing people with no MR on a bard so they couldnt play the game.

[UrkTheSlayer]

Red would never reach 2k even if p99 did blow up simply because the people on red would grief them with their pre nerf epic'd rogue w a fungi instagibbing them or chain mezzing people with no MR on a bard so they couldnt play the game.

^this guy doesn’t play red.

[myrddraal]

^this guy doesn’t play red.

tried it on several different occasions. Exact scenario I described happened each time. Red players can keep their dead server lol

[UrkTheSlayer]

Damn I hope that doesn’t happen to me.

[Bardp1999]

It would blow up for like 3 days then people would realize this game is damn near unplayable with the shitty UI and aged mechanics.

If you arnt here for nostalgia you aint staying. Quest 64 has better graphics.

[UrkTheSlayer]

It would blow up for like 3 days then people would realize this game is damn near unplayable with the shitty UI and aged mechanics.

If you arnt here for nostalgia you aint staying. Quest 64 has better graphics.

Is that game any good? I had Aidyn Chronicles and it was wack.

[Tunabros]

I never experienced this game at classic since I was just a baby when it came out

i came here because I read about it on a forum lol

[beargryllz]

remember green launch? lol

It was the most fun time in p99, yeah

[Jibartik]

what if it was like that dab kid type blowup and became like literally like fortnight around these boards

[Mblake1981]

It was the most fun time in p99, yeah

It was the most fun times because of the population, fighting over single skeleton spawns in the noobie zone yard, talking smack to other races and helping out the true noobs, seeing P99 veterans get torn a new rear by the EC griffin (multiple times lol).

Nothing was overpowered yet, people haggling in /auc for cracked staffs.

No raids, raid talk or raid guilds in action yet.

Best EQ ever.

[Mblake1981]

https://i.imgur.com/EPs556z.png

[starkind]

It was the most fun times because of the population, fighting over single skeleton spawns in the noobie zone yard, talking smack to other races and helping out the true noobs, seeing P99 veterans get torn a new rear by the EC griffin (multiple times lol).

Nothing was overpowered yet, people haggling in /auc for cracked staffs.

No raids, raid talk or raid guilds in action yet.

Best EQ ever.

once people get a max lvl enchanter and sham they can box and a hoard of pixels the game basically stagnates because the no lifers (brainded skinner boxxed) no longer need to cope and can just shit out alts without interacting with anyone

[RecondoJoe]

True the install process is biggest barrier at this point.

If there were 1000 or 2000 or 20,000 players on pvp server I would be exceedingly excited.

If there were 2000 or 20,000 players on one PVE box it would be pretty miserable because there's just not enough mobs dropping good stuff for all the freaks that know how to beat the game now.

When I played swg emulator I was shocked at how simple it was to install and get running

Swg does not have near the following p99 does... I feel like there gotta be some way to make it easier for new players to get in the game...

[RecondoJoe]

It was the most fun times because of the population, fighting over single skeleton spawns in the noobie zone yard, talking smack to other races and helping out the true noobs, seeing P99 veterans get torn a new rear by the EC griffin (multiple times lol).

Nothing was overpowered yet, people haggling in /auc for cracked staffs.

No raids, raid talk or raid guilds in action yet.

Best EQ ever.

Also the type of people who played EQ was unique compared to the type of people who play MMOs in 2021

In 1999 anyone who could play EQ did play EQ

On WoW I meet mostly incels.. on EQ there were a lot more functional and normal people who played....it wasn’t just introverted nerds

[starkind]

ya always surprised me there werent 10,000 ppl trying to play here like wow classic blue up to the point were they had to actually bring it back to live wow

[starkind]

*blew up

[RecondoJoe]

ya always surprised me there werent 10,000 ppl trying to play here like wow classic blue up to the point were they had to actually bring it back to live wow

I think a lot of people who have never played EQ would try p99 just to see what it was all about and what started it all. I have genuinely had friends from WoW ask me a million questions about it, but ultimately decide it’s too hard to install

[UrkTheSlayer]

Wow is to EQ as Barney is to Jurassic Park.

[Erati]

Not serious. Like one day, a huge youtube made a video on p99 then all of a sudden,

you have thousands of players joining p99 (I'm talking people of all ages)

the server population will go bump up to the thousands and people are ruining the game

what will you do? Would you quit? Would you troll the mass?

I'm curious what you guys have to say

This already happened- how do you think it went from 100-200 people to 1000+ daily.

[Mblake1981]

On WoW I meet mostly incels.. on EQ there were a lot more functional and normal people who played....it wasn’t just introverted nerds

WoW catered to the bottom end to get the most, which it did and kept so long it overshadowed the genre until MMORPGs became synonymous with it.

Never forget that WoW had TV commercials with major celebrities ffs.. :(

Point is, yes you had to be a functioning adult to afford a computer or come from a household that allowed their kid to play (with a credit card) on the family computer, which may or may not be any good for early 3D gaming. EQ was not aimed at the bottom, at least at the start. 3D accelerator required, that was a risk. A risk that paid off.

I was 18 and the people I knew who played EQ, in era, were in their 30's. Working adults, some with families, all had responsibilities. All liked Windows computer gaming (pre-Xbox or the disaster of Vista/360).

I personally do not associate any true weirdness other than D&D (which I was creeped out by initially.. bad social regard to it) with original EQ or the people I played with during those years.

P99 is absolutely a different animal, in a different time with different interests. Some true creepazoids during the social media age, which no true MMORPG could exist in... true as in how I regard them. I judge near everything in Windows gaming by original EQ and the games of those days.

2006 was the year to get out. There was still just enough meat left on the bone that you wouldn't leave with a bad taste in your mouth. Post 2008.. post Bioshock.. it's been nothing but visual feats while slowly but surely removing anything 'Windows Computer' from multiplatform other than the fact you can plug a Duke controller into it.

Here is a dumb ass, redneck hillbilly from god-knows-where shitting all over this because in his mind its 'intellectually inferior'. Imagine Cleetus the Slack Jawed Yokel dunking on you but its true! :eek:

[Twochain]

I Disagree with the shutting down p99 lot. I think daybreak would realize they need to just purchase the project outright and cash in.

Shutting down p99 would cause outrage and divisiveness in already an extremely niche community. If you shut down a project that is giving your IP new life via viral content, you're quite literally shooting yourself in the foot. Rick James shut up pretty quickly when the U CANT TOUCH THIS checks started flowing in, enabling his drug habits for years to come.

For the record, I think it's possible. The raid scene circa 2016-2018 offered PVE competitive content unlike literally anything on the market. Which most gamers born in the 90s on crave. Add in a truly massive and interesting world, retro graphics, and an MMO where community actually matters, and you ACTUALLY talk to your group mates, and ACTUALLY form acquaintances outside of your core in game friends, it really could be a hit in 2021.

It would be a shit show, but it would bring a tear to my eye. EQ through Velious is one of the best gaming experiences ever produced.

[UrkTheSlayer]

Friendly reminder that it’s only illegal to use ip if it’s marketed for profit.

I can machine ar’s and hand them to my friends if I wanted to, I can even engrave colt on the side of them if I wanted. As long as they’re not sold I’m in the clear, thems the rules-welcome to capitalism.

Ant it great?

[Mblake1981]

It's been 20 years an no one has made a better EQ, better as in how I see it.. which is part skinnerbox in a high fantasy setting, but with all the other RP flavoring in there. Those things min/maxers remove to get at the real core of the abuse.

It's like a junkie riding a drug edge. But when its removed in order to 'make things better' the game feels completely off, sissified and weak.

Disinteresting to say the least. Made for soft brains and probably has Microsoft achievements in it.. you know, so you can look like a real life version of Horza's avatar when you 'game'.

[Twochain]

It's been 20 years an no one has made a better EQ, better as in how I see it.. which is part skinnerbox in a high fantasy setting, but with all the other RP flavoring in there. Those things min/maxers remove to get at the real core of the abuse.

It's like a junkie riding a drug edge. But when its removed in order to 'make things better' the game feels completely off, sissified and weak.

Disinteresting to say the least. Made for soft brains and probably has Microsoft achievements in it.. you know, so you can look like a real life version of Horza's avatar when you 'game'.

However to counter your point, the youth take video games much much more seriously as it's previous generation did. For many young kids out there, Video Games is on the same level as football, basketball, baseball etc in terms of, If I get good enough at the thing I love, I can do it as a career. Via pro gaming, streaming, content making, etc.

[starkind]

Mblake knows what he's talkn bout. Listen up kids.

[Mblake1981]

However to counter your point, the youth take video games much much more seriously as it's previous generation did. For many young kids out there, Video Games is on the same level as football, basketball, baseball etc in terms of, If I get good enough at the thing I love, I can do it as a career. Via pro gaming, streaming, content making, etc.

yeah I know and its not at all for the better.

Starcraft was not an ultimo competitive game but became one. I make this point only because Korea was like that, which is weird. They are trying that in the states but its very lame and ugly to see.

I would rather watch American Gladiator any day of the week. No sarcasm. Video game shit only interests me when its interesting, when they try to make it interesting they fail and it sucks. That's the way its always been.

Like making a rave party in a safe and designated area with adult supervision. Anyway, what was I talking about? oh yeah.. competitive games kids. That stuff sucks. :o

[Zekayy]

Yes all we need to do is get Asmongold to quit wow and come here and then it will be good

[Mblake1981]

There was some youtube WoW streamer guy that briefly came through, even had the blessing of at least one Green Text. There was a post here about it, I tuned in just to see. I mean they guy tried to be excited and do justice. It's just EQ was not made for a streamer mindset or audience entertainment. EQ is entertaining for the player, but that is it.

He tried to show the audience how death was cool, running back to corpses. Black Bears constantly killing him because hes level 1 in Nektulos Forest. The audience did compliment the environment sounds and OST of EQ.

Doubt any of them tried P99. WoW was created to fix all of eqs problems. When people poop on the graphics here it does make me frown and I wonder if the name 3DFX means anything to them.

[Baler]

Yes all we need to do is get Asmongold to quit wow and come here and then it will be good

I preferred you without the anime avatar.

[Mblake1981]

Remember seeing competition on Best Buy store shelves. The best box art for graphics cards. Everything today is bland and corporate. :mad:

https://i.imgur.com/wGmiFKV.png

[Tunabros]

I preferred you without the anime avatar.

its yugioh, baler

i think its cool as shit

[Baler]

Remember seeing competition on Best Buy store shelves. The best box art for graphics cards. Everything today is bland and corporate. :mad:

https://i.imgur.com/wGmiFKV.png

Damn making me want to dig out my voodoo card from the basement for a screencap.

Does your card still run??

[UrkTheSlayer]

Lol omg look at that thing, I’m still confused how 3dfx went bankrupt. Weren’t they cards the best? We’re they just too expensive?

[Zekayy]

There was some youtube WoW streamer guy that briefly came through, even had the blessing of at least one Green Text. There was a post here about it, I tuned in just to see. I mean they guy tried to be excited and do justice. It's just EQ was not made for a streamer mindset or audience entertainment. EQ is entertaining for the player, but that is it.

He tried to show the audience how death was cool, running back to corpses. Black Bears constantly killing him because hes level 1 in Nektulos Forest. The audience did compliment the environment sounds and OST of EQ.

Doubt any of them tried P99. WoW was created to fix all of eqs problems. When people poop on the graphics here it does make me frown and I wonder if the name 3DFX means anything to them.

That youtuber was Alexensual and he exposed the elysium wow private server team before getting kicked off youtube and twitch and others.

[Zekayy]

its yugioh, baler

i think its cool as shit

Thanks man I appericate that, I am a big fan of Yugioh and Bakura

[Mblake1981]

Damn making me want to dig out my voodoo card from the basement for a screencap.

Does your card still run??

To clarify, I follow that user on Twitter. :o

Also 3DFX signifies an end to a specific point in time. A time which EQ existed, and is mentioned in their demo. Before Microsoft Xbox and ultimately Vista/X360. The early Tomb Raider games and Windows gaming in general.

I came at the tail end of that. I remember seeing the Voodoo eyes boxes in electronics stores. My first PC had the GeForce 256 from Nvidia, the first of the Geforce line. I didn't really know enough about computers at the time to understand any differences.

All I said to the Gateway salesman was that I want to play Everquest, which he was aware of, and some other titles. He built my first Windows 98 machine for me over the phone. He also suggested upgrading to a Soundblaster Live! with the Boston Acoustics speaker set. That is what I played original EQ with.

But I dislike what Nvidia and Array Technologies..err AMD have become. I dislike the multiplatform market, to rather unhealthy levels.

This is one of mine though, Ruby appeared in the early Ati tech demos.
https://i.imgur.com/ZScfZCB.jpg

[Mblake1981]

Lol omg look at that thing, I’m still confused how 3dfx went bankrupt. Weren’t they cards the best? We’re they just too expensive?

rrn-QYdT4F8

[RecondoJoe]

Ive noticed too that EQ has to be played to really be enjoyed...

It’s like dayZ... super boring to watch, but fun to play... because of how slow and real time it is...eq is the same way... I remember the first time I watched my friend play EQ it was the most boring thing I ever saw... but when you play it has a way of drawing you into the game by requiring intense focus, hyper awareness of your surroundings, careful preparation and planning

Also I feel like the way they did the camera really makes you feel like you are in the world... like when I go in the library in PoK I really feel like I’m in an actual library... despite dated graphics I’ve never got that with any other mmo....
It almost feels like VR because you get so sucked into the world.

[UrkTheSlayer]

Literally all game joe, streaming is wack.

[starkind]

Eq is not competitive or hard lol.

[unsunghero]

I Disagree with the shutting down p99 lot. I think daybreak would realize they need to just purchase the project outright and cash in.

Shutting down p99 would cause outrage and divisiveness in already an extremely niche community. If you shut down a project that is giving your IP new life via viral content, you're quite literally shooting yourself in the foot. Rick James shut up pretty quickly when the U CANT TOUCH THIS checks started flowing in, enabling his drug habits for years to come.

For the record, I think it's possible. The raid scene circa 2016-2018 offered PVE competitive content unlike literally anything on the market. Which most gamers born in the 90s on crave. Add in a truly massive and interesting world, retro graphics, and an MMO where community actually matters, and you ACTUALLY talk to your group mates, and ACTUALLY form acquaintances outside of your core in game friends, it really could be a hit in 2021.

It would be a shit show, but it would bring a tear to my eye. EQ through Velious is one of the best gaming experiences ever produced.

Could be. I’m just basing it off what happened to that hugely popular classic WoW emulated served, I think it was called Nostalrius

Then again Daybreak isn’t blizzard so who knows

[starkind]

P.s.

VkzO2w6EqK4

[RecondoJoe]

Eq is not competitive or hard lol.

mechanically its not.. like people like us have played EQ so much that like... its really dumbed down and simplistic

but 20 years ago with no wiki, no prior knowledge, not even being able to tab out to look at stuff... made it way harder

i remember dreading having to load because I didnt know if my computer would crash... like sometimes i would be at loading screen for 5+ minutes when i was getting ready to pull the plug and suddenly i realized the game was still running and hadnt crashed...

ya know now when i play, i alt tab out and watch youtube, i listen to podcasts in the background... back in the day it was just ... staring at a screen... not really knowing what to do.

but i also will say a lot of wow players would struggle with EQ, and not just because its a time sync (I find wow classic far more grueling than the grind in EQ), but the amount of preparation and thought that goes into things... like when I heal a dungeon in WoW, i know exactly how much mana im going to use before a pull... as long as I have a certain amount of mana, nothing can go wrong...

in EQ... like something very tiny could wipe your entire group unexpectedly... especially on Green when you couldnt duck to cancel castings... imagine starting a complete heal and accidentally moving, now youre locked into casting it for 10 seconds, and now the person you need to heal is super low and youre trying to cast another slow ass heal, but now actually a dps got aggro and you accidentally heal his corpse trying to keep him alive, but now that hes dead the mob is back on the tank that you didnt heal because you were trying to heal the enchanter..
like idk.

also mouse-clicking as a skill is something that has been lost to time. Mouse-clicking is universally seen as bad on WOW, but that's also stupid and I think modern games could bring back mouse clicking as a large part of game-play to add an extra layer of skill level that is missing.

im not talking about forcing players to click t heir spell buttons, but actually having to use their mouse to rapidly target things, open bags, swap items and spells in and out. its a real skill and not one i remembered until playing on green and having my enchanter be shocked at house fast i could target stuff (i came straight from overwatch so my mouse skills were lightning fast)...

[RecondoJoe]

in EQ... like something very tiny could wipe your entire group unexpectedly... especially on Green when you couldnt duck to cancel castings... imagine starting a complete heal and accidentally moving, now youre locked into casting it for 10 seconds, and now the person you need to heal is super low and youre trying to cast another slow ass heal, but now actually a dps got aggro and you accidentally heal his corpse trying to keep him alive, but now that hes dead the mob is back on the tank that you didnt heal because you were trying to heal the enchanter..
like idk.


now you fizzled 3 times and you're out of mana, and your tank is screaming at you asking why you didnt tell him you needed a med break

[Tethler]

I'd wait a month for 95% of them to inevitably quit

[Dolalin]

P.s.

VkzO2w6EqK4

I remember playing Quake 2 in 400x300 software rendering on a p200mmx, and then buying a voodoo2 to play Everquest, and suddenly playing Q2 in 800x600 with like double the fps. Blew me away.

[unsunghero]

but i also will say a lot of wow players would struggle with EQ, and not just because its a time sync (I find wow classic far more grueling than the grind in EQ), but the amount of preparation and thought that goes into things... like when I heal a dungeon in WoW, i know exactly how much mana im going to use before a pull... as long as I have a certain amount of mana, nothing can go wrong...


Technically a scripted PvE encounter can never match the challenge potential involving both macro but also micromanagement involved in a team-based PvP match. This is because no matter how difficult a PvE encounter is programmed to be, the raid target will always behave based on its pre-programmed AI. Learn the AI, beat the encounter. A player opponent has an infinitely wider range of possible choices they can make

I was never super into EQ's pvp, but I was super into WoW's, specifically arenas. Then and now in WoW, almost always a top ranked arena player could learn the hardest raids but a top PvE player could almost never achieve top 10 rank in arenas

[Dolalin]

Speaking of systems and stats. I am almost ready to start hosting the eq-archives search engine again.

Decided to self-host because Azure is rather expensive even with spot instances, and that doesn't work too well with an always-up portal.

I have gigabit line at home so will set this up next to my router downstairs:

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-barebone-mini-pc-pn50-bbr050md-amd-ryzen-7-4800u-ddr4-displayport-14-ax-wifi-gbe-m2-pcie-25-sat

Also bought 64GB of PC3200 and a 1TB m.2 ssd to go with.

Should be up and running in early June.

[unsunghero]

In regards to grind, nothing in EQ can compare to vanilla WoW's rank 14 grind. It required at least 12 hours/day and that's IF you had a team that won 100% of Battlegrounds in 5-10 minutes. If you were trying to go Ronin and solo your way to rank 14 it would usually require 16-20 hours/day 7 days a week depending on server size. Each player killed in pvp tended to award something like 15-30 honor, and on my vasnilla WoW server in order to place in the top 5 spots for honor at the end of the week, you needed at least 1,200,000 honor. That's a LOT of fucking pvp

And Wow's rank 14 grind was life-draining and soul-crushing due to the fact that you were competing against all the hyper-nerds of your 5000+ player server, but also if you were rank 12-13 and you DIDN'T place in the top 5ish for honor points earned for your server, you would actually lose progress. That's what made people in my BG ranking team legit suicidal - playing 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, then at the end of that week, actually LOSING 20% of your previous progress in rank 13 because some super-neckbeards played more than that. All that effort that week, wasted

Most grinds involve an insane amount of work, but that progress in that work is saved and moves one direction. Imagine a grind where progress moves more violently in the other direction the closer to the end you get. Most people that achieved it either sold their account or just quit the game due to extreme burnout at that point. I got rank 14 and made a few pvp vids, and then continued on into TBC. I was living very unhealthy IRL then though

[RecondoJoe]

Technically a scripted PvE encounter can never match the challenge potential involving both macro but also micromanagement involved in a team-based PvP match. This is because no matter how difficult a PvE encounter is programmed to be, the raid target will always behave based on its pre-programmed AI. Learn the AI, beat the encounter. A player opponent has an infinitely wider range of possible choices they can make

I was never super into EQ's pvp, but I was super into WoW's, specifically arenas. Then and now in WoW, almost always a top ranked arena player could learn the hardest raids but a top PvE player could almost never achieve top 10 rank in arenas

I don't disagree with you. WoW's PVP is the only thing that has kept me playing the game off and on for years... but even the leveling grind in WoW feels worse to me....
And I know I'm not the only person who feels that way, hence paid character boosts.. like you couldn't pay me to level alts on WoW, which is why I've essentially been a Rogue main for like 16+ years now

but on EQ I can just go to a random server and start over fresh and have just as much fun (if not more) than I would playing on my main...

I think I just really dont like doing quests to level, it feels like a running simulator where you try to figure out what stupid crap it wants you to do without actually reading the quest...

even on WoW classic I level purely by grinding.. I can grind almost all day, but the second I start doing pointless quests I get burned out super quick.

It's just that in EQ ya know, the 1-59 is actually more important than max level in so many ways, and I think that's one thing Pantheon is trying to capture when they talk about making a game that is more about the journey than the end.

[Mblake1981]

Pantheon reminds me of DaoC with a WoW & EQ flavoring packet tossed in. :o

[Mblake1981]

Windows Computer.. not a streamlined Oblivion X360

Comparisons to original EQ make my stomach turn when the desktop computer rides bitch to so many bad influences. I look like an idiot every time I rant about it, like trying to fight the ocean waves.

Beat one wave down and here comes some full force retardation with an undertow.

[RecondoJoe]

Pantheon reminds me of DaoC with a WoW & EQ flavoring packet tossed in. :o

I'm excited about it, but they doing things that I dont like.... like the no CR thing... would actually prefer they have a server with a hardcore ruleset that includes stuff like that..

and like, you know how in EQ there was just weird spells that made the game more fun to play? Like why did an Enchanter need to turn into a chair? IDK, but it was really exciting at the time. There's none of that in Pantheon from what I can see. Like I don't think Wizards get new spells every 4 levels, I think they essentially use the entire 6 spells for their entire character life, and thats not cool IMHO

one thing I like about spells is how drastically different you play your character depending on the level range.. like in some level ranges shamans nuke, in some level ranges their pet tanks, in some level ranges they root rot...

necro very similar... like the class has a million different play styles depending on your current level...
in Pantheon its more like World of Warcraft... where like.... level 1 wizard and level 50 wizard essentially using the same exact spell?

[Mblake1981]

Mike: "Hey dude, did you hear about the rave?"
Skeets: "Yeah, where is it going to be?"
Mike: "The school gym with a live DJ"
Skeets: "Wait that sounds too gnarly.."
Mike: "Don't worry, there will be no drugs."
Skeets: "What about supervision?"
Mike: "The Principle and some of his staff."
Skeets: "Cool cool, and girls?"
Mike: "No touching"
Skeets: "Respect is awesome."
Mike: "Yes I agree."
Skeets: "Its going to be so rad"
Mike: "Living on the edge."

[Mblake1981]

FZROS0_6ePg

[starkind]

Technically a scripted PvE encounter can never match the challenge potential involving both macro but also micromanagement involved in a team-based PvP match. This is because no matter how difficult a PvE encounter is programmed to be, the raid target will always behave based on its pre-programmed AI. Learn the AI, beat the encounter. A player opponent has an infinitely wider range of possible choices they can make

I was never super into EQ's pvp, but I was super into WoW's, specifically arenas. Then and now in WoW, almost always a top ranked arena player could learn the hardest raids but a top PvE player could almost never achieve top 10 rank in arenas

PvE is generally a game of memorization and preparation.

Most people don't want to be able to lose to innovation and creativity.

Kids who feel like they are good because they win at pvp... well. Yeah. You're great at being a scripted AI yourself lol.

So many people lack genuine self awareness and ingenuity, it's being deliberately bread out of people.

Imagine getting paid to be a raid encounter and own newbs tho :p

[starkind]

PvE is generally a game of memorization and preparation.

Most people don't want to be able to lose to innovation and creativity.

Kids who feel like they are good because they win at pvp... well. Yeah. You're great at being a scripted AI yourself lol.

So many people lack genuine self awareness and ingenuity, it's being deliberately bread out of people.

Imagine getting paid to be a raid encounter and own newbs tho :p

I mean, heck at its core all games are player vs developers, but the iteration process and the developers ability to defeat the player is abstracted out each expansion or season. So these dweebs who are pvp adverse are really deceiving themselves thinking their UNdkp is super clever.

[Jimjam]

PvE is generally a game of memorization and preparation.

Most people don't want to be able to lose to innovation and creativity.

Kids who feel like they are good because they win at pvp... well. Yeah. You're great at being a scripted AI yourself lol.

So many people lack genuine self awareness and ingenuity, it's being deliberately bread out of people.

Imagine getting paid to be a raid encounter and own newbs tho :p

The funny thing is when AI isn't predictable the players complain about RNG.

A lot of PVP seems to be about getting tricks / combos off, which isn't really different to the memorisation/preparation you mention too.

I don't know what my point is here, if I even have one.

[RecondoJoe]

PvE is generally a game of memorization and preparation.

Most people don't want to be able to lose to innovation and creativity.

Kids who feel like they are good because they win at pvp... well. Yeah. You're great at being a scripted AI yourself lol.

So many people lack genuine self awareness and ingenuity, it's being deliberately bread out of people.

Imagine getting paid to be a raid encounter and own newbs tho :p

individual skill level in WoW isnt really reflected and i know that will sound crazy, but it's really not... ive literally stomped gladiator rogues in duels repeatedly, had them spend days trying to beat me, meanwhile i could never come close to getting gladiator because of the gate-keeping that goes on in the game.

it doesnt matter how good you are at your class, it matters how good the people on your team are. this is not a new phenomenon ... it actually has been this way since at least cataclysm

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/gate-keepers-and-paid-carries-are-ruining-pvp/781245

now i still love pvp in wow (when its balanced, the last time i played it was not)
but i also spent years of my life trying to find arena partners who were serious while getting rejected by players who were in the absolute upper brackets and essentially shunned by them even though I could out-play most of them

game has also changed a lot
like i consider myself garbage at pvp now, i half-ass try and still hit 2k rating usually on my first day of playing and i genuinely feel like me and my team is playing at what would be a 1400 rating team in cataclysm...

[RecondoJoe]

The funny thing is when AI isn't predictable the players complain about RNG.

A lot of PVP seems to be about getting tricks / combos off, which isn't really different to the memorisation/preparation you mention too.

I don't know what my point is here, if I even have one.
in a duel you can usually look at items and spec and know who is going to win the duel before it even starts

BFA was fucking dumb towards the end, literally getting one shotted by corruption

as a rogue main... dying to other rogue mains in an opener felt really stupid... trinket? Okay youre now blinded, sapped, and you die anyways to second opener...

and no it has not always been that way as rogue. for many expacs i would not even stealth and would let the other rogue open on me and was always able to turn it around and win most of the time... in bfa... nah dead instantly ... in shadowlands.... nah dead instantly...
idk if they ever fixed it, but it was 100% not fun for me to kill other players that way, or be killed that way

for me what makes rogue fun is being super slippery and tricky, aggravating to play against due to your CC... not this class that just pops up out of no where and one shots you before you can respond.

[Mblake1981]

"Developers back in the day were cowboys, they didn't know what they were doing. Today you have formulas, the secrets are figured out."

-Horcalong

“Remember the 60s?” says Frank Zappa in the interview above, “that era that a lot of people have these glorious memories of?… they really weren’t that great, those years.” Ever the grumpy uncle. But Zappa does get nostalgic for one thing, and it’s an unexpected one: the music business. “One thing that did happen in the 60s,” he says, “was some music of an unusual and experimental nature did get recorded, did get released.” The executives of the day were “cigar-chomping old guys who looked at the product and said, ‘I don’t know. Who knows what it is? Record it, stick it out. If it sells, alright!’”

“We were better off with those guys,” says Zappa, “than we are with the hip, young executives,” making decisions about what people should hear.

[UrkTheSlayer]

In regards to grind, nothing in EQ can compare to vanilla WoW's rank 14 grind. It required at least 12 hours/day and that's IF you had a team that won 100% of Battlegrounds in 5-10 minutes. If you were trying to go Ronin and solo your way to rank 14 it would usually require 16-20 hours/day 7 days a week depending on server size. Each player killed in pvp tended to award something like 15-30 honor, and on my vasnilla WoW server in order to place in the top 5 spots for honor at the end of the week, you needed at least 1,200,000 honor. That's a LOT of fucking pvp

And Wow's rank 14 grind was life-draining and soul-crushing due to the fact that you were competing against all the hyper-nerds of your 5000+ player server, but also if you were rank 12-13 and you DIDN'T place in the top 5ish for honor points earned for your server, you would actually lose progress. That's what made people in my BG ranking team legit suicidal - playing 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, then at the end of that week, actually LOSING 20% of your previous progress in rank 13 because some super-neckbeards played more than that. All that effort that week, wasted

Most grinds involve an insane amount of work, but that progress in that work is saved and moves one direction. Imagine a grind where progress moves more violently in the other direction the closer to the end you get. Most people that achieved it either sold their account or just quit the game due to extreme burnout at that point. I got rank 14 and made a few pvp vids, and then continued on into TBC. I was living very unhealthy IRL then though

You want to talk about an mindless endgame grind that was implemented to keep players subscribed? Get max AA’s pre POP.

[RecondoJoe]

You want to talk about an mindless endgame grind that was implemented to keep players subscribed? Get max AA’s pre POP.

I agree with you 20 years ago.. I had 6 AAs as a Rogue.. I couldnt solo, I couldnt join AOE groups... like getting those 6 AAs took a lot of fucking effort, and having the baron title was a big deal...

i dont think this is the case on TLP though...

like fam I did 20-54 in like 3 days without killing myself... i think people get max AAs in like a day now D:

[unsunghero]

PvE is generally a game of memorization and preparation.

Most people don't want to be able to lose to innovation and creativity.

Kids who feel like they are good because they win at pvp... well. Yeah. You're great at being a scripted AI yourself lol.

So many people lack genuine self awareness and ingenuity, it's being deliberately bread out of people.

Imagine getting paid to be a raid encounter and own newbs tho :p

Well, there is no such thing as “owning noobs” when we are talking about an environment like rated arenas

For one, when I was doing arenas you were matched against someone of similar skill. Nowadays apparently there is a lot of “boosting” which is selling rating by carrying a scrub, when I played it wasn’t nearly as prevalent

You also tended to have almost identical gear. There was a best in slot for pvp, and that gear was almost always a set you earned by doing pvp

So close in skill, close in gear. The only thing that you could use to an advantage is your team comp. Just like how in card games an aggressive deck tends to counter control decks and control decks tend to counter midrange decks, etc, arena comps could be like that. There were some that had a significant advantage over another

But usually it wasn’t destiny. Kids who feel like people who were good at pvp lacked skill, could never hack it at pvp. It’s like saying “basketball is a silly skill-less game. All it takes to be good at basketball is being tall” ok there, go see how well you do in the NBA

In pvp, you would have (if you were skilled) a strategy based on opponent’s team comp going in, that’s your macromanagement. This you would need to adjust on the fly. That’s your micromanagement. No one could get to the top rank in arenas by thinking “ok every time we see [x] comp we do [y] plan”. Because at super high ratings, a skilled team is going to anticipate it, because they’ve likely seen it 50+ times that week in games, and they will adjust to make it difficult or impossible. So adjustment in response is necessary

The thing that keeps the skill level from approaching something like a RTS game is the global cooldown. There is no way to separate oneself as an extremely fast player when you can only execute so many actions per second. Unlike RTS where people can have APM’s (actions per minute) in the 300+ range

[unsunghero]

individual skill level in WoW isnt really reflected and i know that will sound crazy, but it's really not... ive literally stomped gladiator rogues in duels repeatedly, had them spend days trying to beat me, meanwhile i could never come close to getting gladiator because of the gate-keeping that goes on in the game.

it doesnt matter how good you are at your class, it matters how good the people on your team are. this is not a new phenomenon ... it actually has been this way since at least cataclysm

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/gate-keepers-and-paid-carries-are-ruining-pvp/781245

now i still love pvp in wow (when its balanced, the last time i played it was not)
but i also spent years of my life trying to find arena partners who were serious while getting rejected by players who were in the absolute upper brackets and essentially shunned by them even though I could out-play most of them

game has also changed a lot
like i consider myself garbage at pvp now, i half-ass try and still hit 2k rating usually on my first day of playing and i genuinely feel like me and my team is playing at what would be a 1400 rating team in cataclysm...

As the medium gets smaller, things get less balanced. Meaning 10v10 is better balanced than 3v3. 3v3 is better balanced than 2v2, and everything is better balanced than 1v1

Individual skill absolutely matters. Look at WoW now. People can “boost” which is where a scrub pays someone to take them to [x] rating. That number can NEVER go beyond a certain point. There is absolutely zero chance that a scrub can be boosted to something like a top 100 rank. They absolutely have a huge role to play and if you have a scrub in one spot, you are only going to get so far. Typically boosts in WoW now end around 1800 to 2k. To be top 100 ranked you would need about 2700 rating

[Mblake1981]

You want to talk about an mindless endgame grind that was implemented to keep players subscribed? Get max AA’s pre POP.

And all those idiotic titles above their heads. What a decline. :o

[RecondoJoe]

As the medium gets smaller, things get less balanced. Meaning 10v10 is better balanced than 3v3. 3v3 is better balanced than 2v2, and everything is better balanced than 1v1

Individual skill absolutely matters. Look at WoW now. People can “boost” which is where a scrub pays someone to take them to [x] rating. That number can NEVER go beyond a certain point. There is absolutely zero chance that a scrub can be boosted to something like a top 100 rank. They absolutely have a huge role to play and if you have a scrub in one spot, you are only going to get so far. Typically boosts in WoW now end around 1800 to 2k. To be top 100 ranked you would need about 2700 rating

you remember back in the day when battle groups was separate? and people would like transfer to moon guard right before a season ended to get gladiator lmao.. oh man.. i didnt even know about this and transferred to moon guard for reasons unrelated and instantly gained like 600 rating and felt like a god there.

[unsunghero]

You want to talk about an mindless endgame grind that was implemented to keep players subscribed? Get max AA’s pre POP.

But imagine now, that you were grinding AA’s, and playing let’s say 6 hours a day, every day

Then one week, you could only play 4 hours a day for 2 days, and the rest of the week you played 6 hours a day grinding those AA’s. At the end of that week where you had shortened play time, you discovered that not only did you earn zero AA’s for that week, but that 20% of the AA’s you earned from last week had now vanished

That’s why the grind was so insane. You couldn’t even remotely slow down, because slowing down meant losing progress you had already made...

[unsunghero]

you remember back in the day when battle groups was separate? and people would like transfer to moon guard right before a season ended to get gladiator lmao.. oh man.. i didnt even know about this and transferred to moon guard for reasons unrelated and instantly gained like 600 rating and felt like a god there.

Oh yeah battlegroup was almost everything. My 5v5 arena team had around a 95% win rate, and was so deep into rank 1 that it was pointless to keep queueing. We would risk losing 25+ rating per loss and only gain 1-2 rating per win because the next lowest team was like 200 below us

When I mentioned our success on the forum, everyone was like “yeah you’re in BG1, try that in BG9” BG9 was the one with Tichondrius, and Blackrock, the servers with the most gladiators and the only one with sponsored teams. Everyone who was super serious about pvp was xferring to BG9

So we did, and it cost us our rank 1 title. At the time I was also around rank 3 (2600 rating) in 3v3 playing as hunter/lock/Druid. We abandoned our server, battlegroup, and rank 1 title for 5v5, and server xferred to Tichondrous mid-season. The competition was insane. We stagnated around rank 20 and we nerd raged at each other so hard in the process that it broke our team up :(

That was the end of my arena days and WoW playing days

Back when I was playing, the best way to get on a serious team was to record yourself playing, then post it on the site Arenajunkies. When you have a recording showing your playing, it was much harder for people to dispute skill

[starkind]

Quake 3 and Unreal 2 are the best pvp games. Skin them with elves. Or furries or animes or w/e.

[Twochain]

Well, there is no such thing as “owning noobs” when we are talking about an environment like rated arenas

For one, when I was doing arenas you were matched against someone of similar skill. Nowadays apparently there is a lot of “boosting” which is selling rating by carrying a scrub, when I played it wasn’t nearly as prevalent

You also tended to have almost identical gear. There was a best in slot for pvp, and that gear was almost always a set you earned by doing pvp

So close in skill, close in gear. The only thing that you could use to an advantage is your team comp. Just like how in card games an aggressive deck tends to counter control decks and control decks tend to counter midrange decks, etc, arena comps could be like that. There were some that had a significant advantage over another

But usually it wasn’t destiny. Kids who feel like people who were good at pvp lacked skill, could never hack it at pvp. It’s like saying “basketball is a silly skill-less game. All it takes to be good at basketball is being tall” ok there, go see how well you do in the NBA

In pvp, you would have (if you were skilled) a strategy based on opponent’s team comp going in, that’s your macromanagement. This you would need to adjust on the fly. That’s your micromanagement. No one could get to the top rank in arenas by thinking “ok every time we see [x] comp we do [y] plan”. Because at super high ratings, a skilled team is going to anticipate it, because they’ve likely seen it 50+ times that week in games, and they will adjust to make it difficult or impossible. So adjustment in response is necessary

The thing that keeps the skill level from approaching something like a RTS game is the global cooldown. There is no way to separate oneself as an extremely fast player when you can only execute so many actions per second. Unlike RTS where people can have APM’s (actions per minute) in the 300+ range

I don't generally like mobas. WoW in my playing experience is a walking simulator. Leveling is the most boring shit ever. Walk over there, kill 5 boars, walk over there, kill 5 lions. 5550 Experience! Repeat. I don't know why I hate that over say, grinding hours away at the same exact camp for hours on end, but I do.

But when it came to PVP in mobas, most kind of, had something missing for me. I was huge on diablo 2 pvp... I liked EQOA pvp.. but idk something was always slightly boring to me with most other PVPS. It always felt devolved into an orc and a night elf circling around each other while spamming buttons. Kind of like... Dota with way less complexity. So if i'm in the mood for a pvp enviroment that isn't FPS.. Dota is my go to for that.

I think there's a reason WoW PVP never took off as an esport even though it had virtually everything going for it --- it's boring as fuck to watch. Duels last forever, there isn't any kind of exciting outplays.. idk.

In terms of bringing viewers to P99.. it would take somebody who is in a raiding guild and also very entertaining. 95% of the stream would just be the streamer bullshitting with his chat and his guild mates, watching videos on youtube maybe, etc.. then boom. POPOPOPOPOPOPOPOPOP GOGOOGOGGOGO and bam you have sudden intensity.

=P

[AenorVZ]

would be good. then they would open more pvp servers

[Mblake1981]

My thoughts on this go to console and ultimately mobile influences, bare with me. Match Making is a console influences, computer FPS games had a server list with some players having their own servers of the game, sometimes running mods.

Match Making connects you to a group of other ranked players to ensure a better experience, because comfort is the goal. This is key to understand.

Windows FPS games had no such thing, you could own noobs and get owned by much better players, repeatedly. Forcing a disconnect when they have you cornered somehow and no way out of the spawn deaths, that is what i mean. I prefer this kind of online competition and still find it on Day of Defeat: Source - Gun Game Mod. (https://www.gametracker.com/server_info/74.91.119.178:27015/)

The mobile influence comes in with paid items or other monetary gimmicks often found in the mobile world but have crept into every other part of 'gaming'. It's gross and awful.

I like Windows FPS games, like the one I mentioned above. New maps and mods are still made for it. Did you hear EPIC is planning to do paid mods? (there is a rumor going around).

These are bad influences in Windows games.

[Twochain]

I don't generally like mobas. WoW in my playing experience is a walking simulator. Leveling is the most boring shit ever. Walk over there, kill 5 boars, walk over there, kill 5 lions. 5550 Experience! Repeat. I don't know why I hate that over say, grinding hours away at the same exact camp for hours on end, but I do.

But when it came to PVP in mobas, most kind of, had something missing for me. I was huge on diablo 2 pvp... I liked EQOA pvp.. but idk something was always slightly boring to me with most other PVPS. It always felt devolved into an orc and a night elf circling around each other while spamming buttons. Kind of like... Dota with way less complexity. So if i'm in the mood for a pvp enviroment that isn't FPS.. Dota is my go to for that.

I think there's a reason WoW PVP never took off as an esport even though it had virtually everything going for it --- it's boring as fuck to watch. Duels last forever, there isn't any kind of exciting outplays.. idk.

In terms of bringing viewers to P99.. it would take somebody who is in a raiding guild and also very entertaining. 95% of the stream would just be the streamer bullshitting with his chat and his guild mates, watching videos on youtube maybe, etc.. then boom. POPOPOPOPOPOPOPOPOP GOGOOGOGGOGO and bam you have sudden intensity.

=P

i meant mmo's not mobas in the first sentence but than again iam retarted

[Twochain]

My thoughts on this go to console and ultimately mobile influences, bare with me. Match Making is a console influences, computer FPS games had a server list with some players having their own servers of the game, sometimes running mods.

Match Making connects you to a group of other ranked players to ensure a better experience, because comfort is the goal. This is key to understand.

Windows FPS games had no such thing, you could own noobs and get owned by much better players, repeatedly. Forcing a disconnect when they have you cornered somehow and no way out of the spawn deaths, that is what i mean. I prefer this kind of online competition and still find it on Day of Defeat: Source - Gun Game Mod. (https://www.gametracker.com/server_info/74.91.119.178:27015/)

The mobile influence comes in with paid items or other monetary gimmicks often found in the mobile world but have crept into every other part of 'gaming'. It's gross and awful.

I like Windows FPS games, like the one I mentioned above. New maps and mods are still made for it. Did you hear EPIC is planning to do paid mods? (there is a rumor going around).

These are bad influences in Windows games.

1v1 me cs_office

[Shourty]

It would be like green on opening day. NO place to play. EACH mob camped on it's spawn spot. Then it would slow down to 23 players in crushbone like now.
I'd quit.

[Mblake1981]

1v1 me cs_office

I haven't played CS in years. GO is a complete turn off.

S3u8h8OqBjg

[Mblake1981]

i meant mmo's not mobas in the first sentence but than again iam retarted


My beef with MOBA's has to do with Redditards specifically. I have argued with those guys before, if it isn't MOBA it doesn't matter or a waste of time. New Windows RTS should be made and new moba mods for those.. but nooooo

Gotta be a weirdo.

[Hisamori]

I was hoping this meant what if the P99 servers blew up and it was over forever.

[Vianna]

About 12 to 15 hundred people would be upset ?

[Nirgon]

My beef with MOBA's has to do with Redditards specifically. I have argued with those guys before, if it isn't MOBA it doesn't matter or a waste of time. New Windows RTS should be made and new moba mods for those.. but nooooo

Gotta be a weirdo.

You ain't wrong. And this is god tier:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=164388&type=sigpic&dateline=1622064299

[RevSaber]

Crosses fingers... Do u even have money to play live?

[Twochain]

You ain't wrong. And this is god tier:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=164388&type=sigpic&dateline=1622064299

Was going to make the same exact comment

I'll 1v1 you in DoD:S even though i've never played it for a sick ass forum sig like that.

(i'd win btw so you would essentially just be agreeing to be beaten in a game i've never played to make me one)

[Bisonzabi]

Purple or Yellow server if it blew up?

[Baler]

Purple Please

[Jibartik]

purple teams

but random loot tables like mischife!

trust me its the shiiiiiiiiit

:o