TBC Classic

[Lune]

Anyone playing this?

I barely played WoW classic, like, some of phase 1 and didn't even make it to 60. Meta was too toxic and it hardly felt like classic with virtually everyone rolling a mage and boosting their way through dungeons. From what I read about the world buff meta, etc, it only got worse from there.

However I have a lot of time on my hands right now until mid-June ish and I can't find anything to play. Thinking about leveling a druid or an elf or something and reliving some of my nostalgia. TBC was my favorite era.

Can't decide what class to play and can't find a great breakdown of how each spec performs in TBC other than in the form of stupid youtube videos.

[starkind]

Shadowlands is good enough for me if i want to derp around with wow.

Gonna be doin mischief/thornblade probably, tbc/wotlk were too grindy for me

thinking tbc will be a no go for me especially also with d2 reloaded or whatever

[Byue]

yeah I have a human priest with the two possible tigers, full bis T2 but I stopped there.
I will play TBC with you and heal you my man.
If you can tank, we will get geared very fast.
I am quite good.

Also, Lune, I can provide you with some info about class and specs but basically, in TBC, especially early on, almost all specs are viable although none are very good until a few patches later. But like, all the things you enver seen in classic were now allowed in TBC" shadow priests as viable, druid tank, boomkin, arcane mage, etc.

[Mblake1981]

yeah I have a human priest with the two possible tigers, full bis T2 but I stopped there.
I will play TBC with you and heal you my man.
If you can tank, we will get geared very fast.
I am quite good.

0Mz88TYuBn4

[Nocht]

Eagerly awaiting the launch. I bought into classic with hopes of a TBC classic and can't believe the day is almost here! Also hoping some of my old guildies that I've lost contact with creep back for a bit. Getting to experience the pre patch events will be nice too considering last time I was stuck working during them. I want to raid like the old days and be the warlock tank for Leo and Illidan again!

Destro lock and Resto shaman ready for mayhem!!

[Byue]

Eagerly awaiting the launch. I bought into classic with hopes of a TBC classic and can't believe the day is almost here! Also hoping some of my old guildies that I've lost contact with creep back for a bit. Getting to experience the pre patch events will be nice too considering last time I was stuck working during them.

Destro lock and Resto shaman ready for mayhem!!

Alli?
Because we'll be able to do cross server shit again :)

[Nocht]

Alli?
Because we'll be able to do cross server shit again :)

I'm on horde, I started alliance side when I first got into wow but my EQ buddies made me switch back in the day lol. Best friend was a Troll SK and the idea of playing a good character never sat well with him. He ended up being a tauren and I rolled undead.

[Byue]

eh.
when wow classic rolled around my roomie wanted to be a gnome and was big on the horde sux (yet wanted to pvp) so we went alliance on a 80-20 horde to alliance ratio and he realized I was right but it's too late now.
If other are also horde, I'll pay for a race change even though human priest is siiiiick.
(because horde undead priests are also very competitive)

[Tunabros]

i want to try it out but I never played on classic wow

not sure if I can just hop in to play

might make a warlok

[Toxigen]

I've been thinking about it. I was in a top 30 world guild in BC and played a lot on a BC private server for a few years.

If you're serious about raiding you will be required to go Leatherworking for party haste drums. 30s haste buff, 2 minute cooldown, 4 people can keep a group of 5 hasted and the 5th guy uses resto drums. The consumables requirements are way way less than Naxx though.

As far as what to play...I can give you a quick rundown:

All tanks are good and all will really shine on different encounters. Prot pallies are the aoe aggro kings, bear tanks have great avoidance, and prot wars are probably the best all-around. Only downside with a warrior is you're stuck doing melee dps if you decide tanking isn't for you.

Healing can be stated very simply: if you don't have 4 resto shaman in your 25 man raids, you're probably not clearing Sunwell pre-nerf. Chain heal is simply the strongest healing ability in the game for the entirety of TBC. All a resto shaman has to do is keep their totems up and decide if they're going to use CH Rank 1, Rank 2, or Rank 3. Sprinkle a holy pally or 2 in there and thats all you need. Priest was ok, amazing as disc in Rogue - Mage - Priest 3v3 arena. Resto druid was meh in pve.

Resto druid is the king of arena healing, especially in 2v2 which was immensely popular in S2 and S3. They are the best choice for warrior, hunter, and lock in 2s.

Caster DPS:
Lock and mage are pretty close dps wise and are far and away the only two choices if you want to be the king of the meter.

Boomkin is decent. They bring some utility. Bad guilds bring druids in general so they can brez their dead weight.

Ele shaman is meh. Insane burst but they were never competing for relevant dps. Totem of wrath doesn't make up the difference between simply having another lock. Its a PVP spec unless you're just casual PvE

Shadowpriests are god tier. They don't do the same dps as your locks and mages, but the amount of group healing through vampiric embrace and group mana restore via vampiric touch is incredible. In a 25 man raid, you're bringing 3 unless your guild is super stacked with melee. There is a big gap between the mediocre shadowpriests and the guys that eek out every last ounce of efficiency in their rotations. If you don't like paying attention to DoT timers, don't even bother.

Hunter does OK - we always brought 1 for the utility and sometimes had 2-3, they were very good on a few fights that had a lot of running around or when tanks needed misdirect (vashj, kaelthas, m'uru, etc).


I don't know a ton about melee dps but rogues and warriors were always up near the locks and mages if they have an enhancement shaman. Enhancement shaman are amazing...the improved totems and unleashed rage made every tank / melee group want one badly. Ret pally was pretty terrible pve...nasty in pvp though.



All that said. If you're just going to play casually just look at TBC videos and try to make a pick based on what you think looks cool. Only raiding guilds are going to care about min/maxing.

0bZi5KWON38

Ah, good times. 4 resto shaman, 3 hunters, 3 s-priests, 3 mages, 3 locks, 2 prot wars, 2 rogues, 2 holy paladins, 1 prot pally (had to use one to pick up the big void adds), 1 fury war, 1 enh shaman.

[Lune]

Right now I'm kinda leaning toward making a druid and going feral bear tank. That way, without dual spec, I can raid/group/farm/world pvp all with the same, or at least similar, spec. Feral is fun to level and I anticipate that, with warriors being relatively unpopular in BC, there is going to be a big shortage of tanks for heroics n' stuff - especially on alliance side without all the BE paladins. Resto druid will also be nice if I ever get back into arenas.

Also kinda flirting with shadow priest but I remember them not being popular in 5-man groups and I want to be able to do that. Shaman might also be fun because if I remember correctly they kinda hard counter all the fotm warlock metaslaves.

As someone who played a paladin extensively in BC, I imagine a couple months from now many of the paladin rerollers will realize it's not wrath yet and that paladins are kinda crap in BC. Yes, prot paladins can tank now but they're gonna have to drink in between most pulls which sucks.

[Nocht]

My guild and raid leader was a mage and did really good dps but he did put in a lot of effort to do so. He always got so salty checking the dps logs and noticing shadowbolt was the only spell being cast by the warlocks! lol

[Byue]

Actually, Toxigen, great post.

Tunabros, they will make you a lvl 55 if you come play I think.

TBC was when wow started to really shine as a mmo and where it started to kill all other mmos so I'd say come and experience it, if you never did.
I know the purist will tell you to go on a pvp server but fucking don't unless you really know what you are doing because TBC, with flying mount, can be brutal with modern griefers. (and the servers are roughly 10 times bigger than they used to so pvp server are just a shit show mostly)

Lune: if you go alli druid, I will keep you alive and we can chain heroics and get that rep.
I been in top guilds from wrath to draenor.
I got the 27th Tarecgosa in the world.

But I never played tbc competitively my english was too bad back then.

[Nocht]

Yeah pvp servers are a hard pass nowadays. I legit felt bad for alliance who played on pvp servers and got farmed for phase 1. Back in the day the population disparity wasn't so bad and the alliance had a lot of really good pvpers.

I remember trying to kill people by the Arathi Basin portal and a human warrior chased and corpse camped me all the way back to to Tarren Mill lol. Then when I got on a flight path to UC I got a tell from a lvl 1 orc saying "Dont you do it again!"

[starkind]

just a heads up for tbc u will need a lot of time and dedication for end game raiding it's like not 8 hrs a night its gonna be the only game u play

ur gonna need to app to a good guild, casuals won't make the cut and will just waste ur time

tho it might be worth it because it was pretty good

[Lune]

What's a good high pop PvE realm to play TBC alliance on? I want high pop but not necessarily the highest. Queues would be good but not queues that never end like Faerlina on classic release

*edit* nvm found the demographics, looking like Pagle if I go pve

[Toxigen]

Yeah raiding in BC is either...you go for the top or don't bother.

I couldn't imagine wiping to shit tier bosses with a bunch of mouthbreathers.

And bear tank is fine...may get sat on a fight here and there. Just be prepared for that.

FWIW our server first ZA speedrun was my group with my guilds best bear tank. I had the first bear mount on the server and you bet your ass I sat on the ironforge bridge for a few days after that one.

[hobart]

Considering the number of guilds who cleared Naxx this time around, or got to/past 4H, I don't think most of the raids will be as hard as people remember. Better coms, better access to strats, etc.

I'm guessing only BT and Sunwell will give most guilds any real issues. But eh, I've done no research. We'll see.

[FatherSioux]

Don’t you losers know that throwing time away to raid high end means you’re neglecting reality? You’re exchanging health and useful knowledge to replay old games you’ve already played.

Learn a skill, build something, thoughts and prayers.

[Byue]

Considering the number of guilds who cleared Naxx this time around, or got to/past 4H, I don't think most of the raids will be as hard as people remember. Better coms, better access to strats, etc.

I'm guessing only BT and Sunwell will give most guilds any real issues. But eh, I've done no research. We'll see.


In classic, they actually nerfed the original code a bit like the TLP are apparently super easy because the code changed overtime or some shit like that.

They looked into it and were not pleased, they are apparently tweaking the raids to reflect the difficulty of the time through modern means (i.e: scaling and shit) and I<m not entirely sure about what will happen but they promised us a more difficult version than what we got in classic so, we'll see.

WoW: Burning Crusade Classic will use its much harder pre-nerf raid bosses because you're all much better at the game now (https://www.pcgamer.com/wow-burning-crusade-classic-will-use-its-much-harder-pre-nerf-raid-bosses-because-youre-all-much-better-at-the-game-now/)

Don’t you losers know that throwing time away to raid high end means you’re neglecting reality? You’re exchanging health and useful knowledge to replay old games you’ve already played.

Learn a skill, build something, thoughts and prayers.

Building a toon legacy and this go around, I will not pick herbalism.

On a more serious note, I am good with woodworking, I am a chef so I guess I can cook a riot, and bake, too since desserts is where you make a lot of money, if you want to own a restaurant, you better get baking. I speak three languages. I've traveled to over 64 countries. I draw badly but I like it. I can swing dance, salsa, meringue and I know how to sow back from when my sister had a clothing company and needed people to help her struggling business and I know how to repair ovens, dishwasher (eh) and some basic plumbing (entrepreneurs unite!). I been published for poetry, twice and a small children book that I wrote for fun for my ex's daughter which ended up winning prize but those are stupid I basically wrote rhyming shit for dumb child who can't even use a spoon right yet and I mean, by all of this, to explain that we all have 24 hours in a day, we decide what to do with it but this belongs to us, to choose because this is what freedom is and if you like freedom, don't fucking judge what other people do with their free time.

[FatherSioux]

I will continue to judge people how they use their free time. It’s my freedom, moron.

[Shawk]

Don’t you losers know that throwing time away to raid high end means you’re neglecting reality? You’re exchanging health and useful knowledge to replay old games you’ve already played.

Learn a skill, build something, thoughts and prayers.

I will continue to judge people how they use their free time. It’s my freedom, moron.
I will continue to judge people how they use their free time. It’s my freedom, moron.


You're on a forum from a video game from 1999, telling people to spend their time more wisely?



How the fuck are you so unaware of how much of a fucking "loser", you are too?



Funny how many of your type there are all over video games right now. So ironic.



https://i.imgur.com/twnpnWt.png

[unsunghero]

If I were to play, it would be for arenas, but that’s also why I DON’T want to play

I got wayyyy too sucked into vanilla WoW pvp. Did the rank 14 grind. Then I was super sucked into TBC arenas. Held rank 1 in 5v5 and rank 3ish 3v3 about all season. For a brief period held the worldwide highest 5v5 rating early in the season

I can’t just dabble in something like pvp, and I don’t want to go as hard as I did in vanilla, so this is why I may pass on tbc

Played classic for a while, got T1-T2 epic quest bow for hunter (rhok), etc. Only did BG’s casually and was sick of seeing nothing but full honor grind teams. There were WAY more of these in classic than in vanilla. In vanilla it was like 30% full teams in BG’s, in classic it was more like 95% full teams. Not fun when queueing solo

[Nocht]

Don’t you losers know that throwing time away to raid high end means you’re neglecting reality? You’re exchanging health and useful knowledge to replay old games you’ve already played.

Learn a skill, build something, thoughts and prayers.

Cool story.

[FatherSioux]

You're on a forum from a video game from 1999, telling people to spend their time more wisely?



How the fuck are you so unaware of how much of a fucking "loser", you are too?



Funny how many of your type there are all over video games right now. So ironic.



https://i.imgur.com/twnpnWt.png

What type is that? The type that values tangible skills? The type that doesn’t place value in how well you perform in video games where time is the biggest driver in this idea of value?

We’re called adults and you’re welcome.

[Shawk]

What type is that? The type that values tangible skills? The type that doesn’t place value in how well you perform in video games where time is the biggest driver in this idea of value?

We’re called adults and you’re welcome.The type to go on a forum with nothing to do with any of that, and boast about it.. for some sort of assurance that you are that, but you aren't that.. Those (real) types of people (who aren't here..) think you are a "fucking loser", if you are even on a forum like this. So unaware of how bad people are.. thinking you are "right", I find it pathetic how many like you there are everywhere online now, meanwhile you being online is a contradiction of your own beliefs.. Get off here and go to the nearest shelter etc, otherwise accept your absolute mope ass for what you are.



You act like a sheep, but you aren't. Do you get it? I am not calling you are loser, I am saying you are better than this.

[RecondoJoe]

I didnt particularly care for TBC even when it was live..

I thought I missed classic, but the reality is, the blaring lack of balance was too much now..

[Nocht]

What type is that? The type that values tangible skills? The type that doesn’t place value in how well you perform in video games where time is the biggest driver in this idea of value?

We’re called adults and you’re welcome.

Don't you have a thread to talk politics in? Quit derailing. Go learn how to build a log cabin or something and quit bothering the one non combative thread in this forum.

[unsunghero]

Fun memories of WoW classic BG’s on the rare occasions I could get PuG vs PuG matches (95% of games were PuG vs full premade)

Last pic is just me standing next to 2 random clones of me

[unsunghero]

My old PvP vid from VANILLA WoW, not classic. Had rank 14 gear which I would never do again in classic. But honestly just T1 and rhok performed fine anyway. Rank 14 would not be worth the effort

Our Battlegrounds team not only never lost a warsong gulch match vs another server’s full team in hundreds of cross server matches (including arranged matches), but we were only capped on once. And almost no team could even survive past 10 minutes, regardless of whether they tried to turtle at flag or not

Before we capped the last flag on them, we used to use mind control cap on one of their players, and then /emote “welcome to battlegroup 1”. Because using MC cap and emotes was a way to get around the language barrier

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O8uudmIFZG0

[unsunghero]

If I remember that pvp vid got like 250,000 downloads from warcraftmovies.com

[Botten]

I had so many fond memories of classic going into TBC and TBC.

I also got into Black Temple two bosses from Illidan.

Was in a small guild of 20 or so at first where I proved to the guild leader it was his priest that was the problem why they couldn't finish even getting a 1.5 gear speed run done. His heals gain aggro and often he couldn't take hits (this was with a Prot warrior protecting him), a ice mage CCing, Warlock and Feral Druid. He was terrible and often his fade meant nothing to help him. Had my rogue tank the run and a paladin heal me and then ran everyone else through it. Knew the priest in RL and never saw the wind bag cringe so badly then that day when talking about.

Later switched to horde had a blast on my prot pally as I even was dual speced healing and tanking heroics to get badges to eventually be accepted by a high end raiding guild. Gear really made the class. Once had a groupie go wait paladins can heal or tank heroics with out respecing?

Much later, God it felt great when our geared prot tauren warrior was rushing through Black temple saw him aggro a bunch of mobs (he had niche of life) and LOH him which crit for 25K (back in TBC).

My guild lead drop his prot warrior that day and started a prot pally. He could never believe that they could tank really well and had that kinda of get out jail card and much more.

Great times. But now with a family and more I don't have the time to do this. *sigh

[Toxigen]

i killed m'uru pre-nerf

not v1.0 where negative energy had spell pushback (like 3 guilds did that)...but i slayed the guild slayer before blizz had to come in and nerf it

it was the most tightly tuned, beautifully crafted fights ever implemented at that point...i know bosses got mechanically much harder/complex in later expansions...but for TBC...your entire 25 man team had to play near perfectly for the entire fight and that was new for WoW

[Byue]

TBC arena in roughly one minute. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSxzuCaODSM&ab_channel=WowItsHard)

I thought it was funny good enough to share and it's one minute.
I'm more of a pve player, even though i manage the pvp.
sort of like a lover more than a fighter but also a fighter so don't get any ideas.

[Gravydoo II]

I dont understand any of this.

Could you like hide, then play an instrument to convince a nearby monster to attack a player, then loot their dead body?

[Byue]

I dont understand any of this.

Could you like hide, then play an instrument to convince a nearby monster to attack a player, then loot their dead body?

more like either instant gimp someone or long drawn out battle that often result in which healer gets oom first. which also means which team has the better hunter, to put that draining mana mark on the healer. you're full mana then the next ten second, not. you got to go and hide and try to drink but that hunter don't leave you alone so you die in a corner with your team getting slaughtered ithout heals because you are oom and oh my god early pvp sucked balls in mmo except in DAoC.

In that game, there was tons of op shit but tons of counters an the field was absolutely littered with combatants. it was insanity for the era.

the sheep and music part was a mage ability to mez 1 target.

[unsunghero]

For a brief period of time we held the highest 5v5 rating in the world at the start of TBC, and that was with a conventional comp

We eventually became the first team in the USA that I was aware of (and I STUDIED arenas back then) to pioneer the 3 healer 5v5 team: sl/sl lock, mm hunter, disc priest, resto sham, resto Druid

It took our bracket by storm, although we were already rank 1, with this comp we had a 95% winrate and were so far into r1 it wasn’t worth it to queue anymore. We used to get tells from level 1 alts of the top 5 teams asking us when we were going to be done queueing lol. The comp has a lot of cc, and it’s incredibly hard to burst someone down vs it. With 2 people healing, it almost always freed up a healer to assist on dps. But the real threat was the priest. Our priest was stellar, one of the best in the game IMO, and if he was left alone with bloodlusted mana burns + viper, it means one of their healers was oom in literally 25 seconds. But we didn’t need to mana drain, we could win a surprising amount by just staggering cc chains

I did well as HLD in 3v3, was usually between r5 to r3, but there was an alliance hunter named Megatf who was my arch rival in a mirror comp. We lost more than we won to him, and he held the r1 3v3 spot

2v2 I didn’t care much about bc I didn’t have a healer, our Druid was playing with a war friend of his in 2’a. Hunter/Druid was the power comp, but I was very active on Arenajunkies and met one of the best holy paladins in the USA there, and he told me he was playing on like 7 different accounts at once, and to see about getting him an account for hunter/holy pal 2v2

So I started asking all the paladins I could “hey do you want to get a free glad title?”. Didn’t take long for one to say yes and give me his account info. His gear was mediocre, but it didn’t matter. We went from 0 to 2500 in one week. The problem was his guild asked him how he had such a high rating having never been into pvp and he made the mistake of telling them the truth. And some jealous nark in his guild anonymously ratted him out to blizz. He got temp banned for 1 week and a GM deleted our 2v2 team :( I really didn’t like 2v2 anyway, even with such an amazing paladin. That was were without dampening (invented much later), a team could just turtle and run almost indefinitely. Extremely frustrating...

[unsunghero]

TBC arena in roughly one minute. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSxzuCaODSM&ab_channel=WowItsHard)

I thought it was funny good enough to share and it's one minute.
I'm more of a pve player, even though i manage the pvp.
sort of like a lover more than a fighter but also a fighter so don't get any ideas.

Lol good stuff, I’ve seen many of that vid creators’ vids. He funny

[unsunghero]

Continuation of the story...

So mid-season I was posting on the official WoW forums that I thought our 5v5 team might be the best around. And the general consensus was “you aren’t on BG9 therefore you aren’t the best”. So we did some research and yes, a trend had began a while back of everyone super serious about pvp migrating to either tichondrius or blackrock. The team that won the first blizzcon, (and became the first sponsored WoW pvp team and brought the concept of e-sport sponsorship to WoW) tournament was from a pvp guild on Tich during classic called <Notorious>, Noto for short. That became their arena name too

So anyway we xferred to BG9. We were featured briefly in Worldofming’s blogs, which was one of the most popular WoW sites at the time, talking about our comp, and I got my 15 minutes of WoW fame. Unfortunately we were convinced that we were going to be rank 1 in BG9 or at least top 10, and the competition was just on another level. We lost to the best 2 healer 3 dps 5v5 teams. To give an idea of the competition, there was a time I was in a guild on Tich that had only gladiator as its requirement. It had something like 200 gladiators. To get that title you needed about 2300+ rating

Anyway, we got cockblocked around rank 20 and nerd raged at each other so hard that our priest and Druid quit the game. I quit WoW soon after, until classic WoW came out, but I quit that when I discovered how shitty the “premade meta” BG’s were. Doing casual BG’s was all I wanted to do and it sucked

[Shawk]

If I remember that pvp vid got like 250,000 downloads from warcraftmovies.com


Totally forgot that we use to have to download vids this way. I remember this series of videos oddly enough while it was popular to watch these and copy strats, builds etc. The music just transports me back, get the same thing with DAOC videos but damn it was actually hard to record videos back then.. Let alone upload them etc.

[Shawk]

I remember getting into beta after they did a stress test and if you got to highest level you were given access into the actual beta or something.

It was weird seeing the changes, the one big one I miss is UN-Instanced Battlegrounds. They were so much better, more like playing a Warcraft 3 match but you are just one of the players harvesting/gathering the things needed to make your units stronger. Lots of things like this changed in beta that made me lose interest before BC.

WoW originally in development was a totally different concept.. Where some players were "Hero" types and the rest were "Peon" "Soldier" types that were no where near as strong, mages transported people obv but it was more a crutch players depended on heavily for example, It was a weird mix of Lineage 2 and Everquest originally at least in early beta etc.

I remember watching tons of nda streams on winamp shoutcast and downloading vids from MIRC, now that I am thinking about it lol.

[unsunghero]

Totally forgot that we use to have to download vids this way. I remember this series of videos oddly enough while it was popular to watch these and copy strats, builds etc. The music just transports me back, get the same thing with DAOC videos but damn it was actually hard to record videos back then.. Let alone upload them etc.

Ty

And oh yeah on the hard to make make part...for a number of reasons. People didn’t give a shit about watching you if you weren’t outnumbered. There were a few extremely skilled South Korean mages who were posting vids of them pulling off 1v4’s and killing all of them, and those were the vids you knew you were going to be side by side with. The problem was that when battlegrounds were released in WoW, world pvp pretty much completely dried up, except for some rare spats at blackrock mountain. So if you wanted footage of pvp it had to be in battlegrounds. And since all battlegrounds were team vs team, people were constantly running up and jumping in to help. I had to scrap so much footage where I was pulling off a great 1v3, but then all of a sudden 3 horde run up and kill everyone

Also, the uncompressed fraps footage was enormous in size, and my computer wasn’t great. I had some times during extended fights where my computer literally froze and gave me a message that my HD was full and there was not enough memory to continue operating windows lol

I pirated (not proud of it) a jailbreaked copy of Sony Vegas video, which was a professional and extremely not user friendly video editing software that normally ran for about $500. I had to spend a week just learning the basics of the damn thing, and I only scratched the surface of what it could do. Spent hundreds of hours editing, and you actually grow to hate your favorite songs that you selected because you hear them 100 times in a row trying to line them up with the action :(

[Toxigen]

Ty

And oh yeah on the hard to make make part...for a number of reasons. People didn’t give a shit about watching you if you weren’t outnumbered. There were a few extremely skilled South Korean mages who were posting vids of them pulling off 1v4’s and killing all of them, and those were the vids you knew you were going to be side by side with. The problem was that when battlegrounds were released in WoW, world pvp pretty much completely dried up, except for some rare spats at blackrock mountain. So if you wanted footage of pvp it had to be in battlegrounds. And since all battlegrounds were team vs team, people were constantly running up and jumping in to help. I had to scrap so much footage where I was pulling off a great 1v3, but then all of a sudden 3 horde run up and kill everyone

Also, the uncompressed fraps footage was enormous in size, and my computer wasn’t great. I had some times during extended fights where my computer literally froze and gave me a message that my HD was full and there was not enough memory to continue operating windows lol

I pirated (not proud of it) a jailbreaked copy of Sony Vegas video, which was a professional and extremely not user friendly video editing software that normally ran for about $500. I had to spend a week just learning the basics of the damn thing, and I only scratched the surface of what it could do. Spent hundreds of hours editing, and you actually grow to hate your favorite songs that you selected because you hear them 100 times in a row trying to line them up with the action :(

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[unsunghero]

ja1j7xWpB3w

Yeah saw that one when I was playing back in the day. There was a rogue named Neilyo who did professional-quality videos as well, I think he was one of the most well known vid maker back then

[Nocht]

Drakedog was my hero back in the day.

https://youtu.be/NZIg4OZlA-4

[Botten]

This Rogue inspired me so much.

Just able to move on from one kill to the next 5 times straight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OdgWLXV5Ro&t=600s

[unsunghero]

I’ve been getting the itch to re-activate and see if BG’s are still as shitty as they were a year ago. Problem is i have nerve damage I’m my left elbow and until I get it operated on, my left hand isn’t as nimble as it was

Memories of classic WoW: I got insanely lucky and had the blue dragon sinew for the 15% haste quiver drop in the first 45 min of killing scalebanes. The average drop rate is about 1 for every 5000-6000 so people had been farming them for months with no luck. It was super fortunate I got it because at the time the only other way to get a 15% haste quiver was AV reputation, and the queues for horde for AV were 1hr 45 min....I think I did 5 AV’s my whole time playing classic

My buddy also had an edgemaster’s handguards drop for him. At the time those sold for ~7k if I recall. One of the most expensive BoE items in the game. He quit soonafter he sold it, and that mountain of gold is now rotting ...

[Nocht]

The only boe epic I ever had drop was a Kang the Decapitator for my enhancement shaman. The timing was uncanny because I wanted to level out of the 30's pvp bracket after being 39 for months and it dropped around the time I hit level 44. Ended up turning him into a 49 twink and had a blast erasing people with windfury in AB. Good times all around!

[Byue]

in original wow, those gloves were shit.
I mean they would be on the AH for 10-15G.

It's the illegal server meta that made that item good.
Nobody used it back then.
A lot like boosts are a thing now but not back then.

But wow that is very lucky for you!

I remember looting those edgemaster's handguard and it was the first epic i ever seen and I was leveling my shaman and made sure everyone green rolled (because it was classic we were still nice to each others, reputation was big) and I won it. (greed too!)
Remember leveling with those was a lot of fun i was so proud to have an epic.

[unsunghero]

Memories of vanilla WoW: I installed a PvE mod meant to alert groups that my pet had taken a pre-set % health of damage and needed a heal, intended to be use at like 30% health or whatever

One night I was drunk doing BG’s and I decided to see what happened if I set it to alert at 99% or less, so every time it takes damage below 99% it alerts, then I changed the channel to /yell

Plops yells “KITTENS Needs healing! Currently at 99% health!”
Plops yells “KITTENS Needs healing! Currently at 98%health!”
Plops yells “KITTENS Needs healing! Currently at 89% health!”
“Yo shut the fuck up about your pet!!!”
Plops yells “KITTENS Needs healing! Currently at 86% health!”

So dumb looking back. But drunk me thought it was hilarious

I also used to pvp so much in the world and make so many enemies that a guild named <Red Army> that was the largest alli pvp guild on the server would devote a full raid of 40 to sitting on my dead body for an hour, with a group at the closest spirit healer. Had pics of that, but lost em

[unsunghero]

The only boe epic I ever had drop was a Kang the Decapitator for my enhancement shaman. The timing was uncanny because I wanted to level out of the 30's pvp bracket after being 39 for months and it dropped around the time I hit level 44. Ended up turning him into a 49 twink and had a blast erasing people with windfury in AB. Good times all around!

Lol nice! Yeah twink BG’s were always super serious. I had a friend who twinked for bg’s, and I used to joke about how he didn’t need to get the absolute best in slot for every slot. He used to get angry and be like “Yes you do, dude! You need it because EVERYONE else is going to have it”. I was like “damn, max lev BG’s aren’t like that”

[unsunghero]

in original wow, those gloves were shit.
I mean they would be on the AH for 10-15G.

It's the illegal server meta that made that item good.
Nobody used it back then.
A lot like boosts are a thing now but not back then.

But wow that is very lucky for you!

I remember looting those edgemaster's handguard and it was the first epic i ever seen and I was leveling my shaman and made sure everyone green rolled (because it was classic we were still nice to each others, reputation was big) and I won it. (greed too!)
Remember leveling with those was a lot of fun i was so proud to have an epic.

damn that's chance for it to drop * chance to win the roll. Even luckier than I in that scenario, much more

edit: yeah and arena boost selling (for gold or RMT) are a huge problem for retail ATM. If those are as big with TBC arenas as they are in retail (and I don't see any reason they won't be), it will put off arenas for the majority of casual players. Turns out people actually don't like being blown up by some gladiator who also completely outgears them at 1300 rating, who is selling rating to 1800 to some scrub. And then arenas will end up as unpopular as they are on retail right now. Another reason why I'm not super stoked for TBC. It is going to have all the same flaws that the min/max meta created for classic

[Shawk]

edit: yeah and arena boost selling (for gold or RMT) are a huge problem for retail ATM. If those are as big with TBC arenas as they are in retail (and I don't see any reason they won't be), it will put off arenas for the majority of casual players, and they will end up as unpopular as they are on retail right now. Another reason why I'm not super stoked for TBC. It is going to have all the same flaws that the min/max meta created for classic

This is why i find all players currently playing WoW to be pretty hypocritical if they disagree with these design strategies.

They are literally giving them money to develop this way.

Bizarre but I get that some people can just ignore all the BS and play which I admire, but don't be whining about the little integrity blizzard has when ultimately it seems like current WoW players have zero integrity and are actually enabling blizzard/activision to develop their game this way.

Too big to fail kind of thing.. To bad WoW was the biggest success after Everquest and EQ principles were just forgotten but it seems WoW principles were too as "Classic" was a far cry from "Vanilla".

[Byue]

as "Classic" was a far cry from "Vanilla".

Tons of evidence lead us to believe that the experience on P99 is vastly different than in 1999.

Enchanters and charm, for instance.
And with people knowing everything and anything about everything.
We still have fun.

I mean, for the average player, there was still the learning curve for the fights, etc.
(even though fights are very easy in classic)

so top guilds cleared content rapidly but the normal guilds had trouble like back in the day.

A lot like seal team or much less raid target.
And that shit ain't classic.



Wait, what I am trying to say is that it's as classic as they can make a game everyone and their mom knows everything about because part of the classic experience was being a 12 years old idiot who don't know how to wow.

[unsunghero]

Tons of evidence lead us to believe that the experience on P99 is vastly different than in 1999.

Enchanters and charm, for instance.
And with people knowing everything and anything about everything.
We still have fun.

I mean, for the average player, there was still the learning curve for the fights, etc.
(even though fights are very easy in classic)

so top guilds cleared content rapidly but the normal guilds had trouble like back in the day.

A lot like seal team or much less raid target.
And that shit ain't classic.



Wait, what I am trying to say is that it's as classic as they can make a game everyone and their mom knows everything about because part of the classic experience was being a 12 years old idiot who don't know how to wow.

There's some big differences between Classic WoW and P99 though

While RMT'ing pp and items no doubt happens to some extent on P99, it is RAMPANT on WoW. I have never once in all my time playing classic and reading the classic forums heard about a person even temp banned for buying gold. it simply was not policed. At all. So gold buying was rampant, and therefore botting was rampant. They did ban waves of tens of thousands of bot accounts, but it was only like 2 times a year. That didn't even put a dent in the number of bots, because the chinese gold farmers that were doing it had backup accounts lined up a ready to go. You could do a /who all mauradon and see 30 different mages with names like "jsjsk" and no one at blizz cared

Then GDKP started to take over all pug raids, at least when I was playing. And that wouldn't be so much of a problem, but especially on larger servers with gold buying so rampant, if you DIDN'T buy gold or sell boosts as a mage, good luck being able to afford any good items in the bid war. I remember trying to get in a BWL GDKP raid after our guild one didn't happen because not enough people were online. I asked them if they thought it would be even worth coming with how much gold I was brining. "Well how much are your bringing?" Me: "Saved up only about 1.5k so far" Answer: "No, it's not worth coming". And once GDKP took over, soft reserve PuGs started to dry up. That GDKP run was the only PuG BWL happening on my server at the time

Min/max culture aside, classic wow became 100% business, and a RMT business at that. And that's how retail is too, for arenas. So much boosting and buying rating. And it's going to happen in arenas in TBC classic. I didn't do enough PvE in TBC to remember how the raids went to attempt to predict how much GDKP is going to be going on. At least there will still be guilds who will be doing soft reserves, at least at the beginning of TBC

I don't think P99 will ever reach levels of RMT that were happening in Classic WoW

[unsunghero]

Here's a fond memory of classic and what made me quit the game. Well, the main reason were that PuG vs PuG bg's basically didn't exist. This was just the nail in the coffin for me

Our guild just didn't have the members to do BWL, and no guilds that did needed hunters. My friend finally found a PuG BWL that was going to run at 9am on a saturday, it wasn't soft reserve, it was just random /roll. I set my alarm and got in it. There were only 2 other hunters in the raid, the leader organizing it who was decked out in full T2 with the BWL xbow and needed zero items from it, and a scrub in greens/blues who joined last minute

During some boss before Chromaggus, we had to alternate a tranq rotation. The leader noticed the other hunter wasn't tranquilizing. We still won because the leader and I were keeping him tranq'ed. After the fight ended, the leader was asking why the other hunter didnt follow the rotation. No answer. Turns out he was the ONLY member of the raid not in discord. So we all had to wait 15 minutes while he went to dig out a headset and load discord because we wanted him for the tranq rotation on chromaggus

Got to Chromaggus, and turns out didn't matter that the scrub hunter found his headset, because he didn't follow the instructions to duck around the corner to avoid his breath attack and died basically in the first minute of the fight. So it was up to me and the leader to keep tranq up and we barely barely won that fight, had like 70% of the raid dead when we won

The scrub had basically died nearly instantly every boss, including Nefarian. He was also just about dead last on dps. Nefarian drops Dragonstalker Chestpiece and guess who wins the roll?

I remember throwing my headset down after that and saying "Yep, done with classic", and I quit and gave away most of my tradeable stuff like 2 weeks later

[Shawk]

Tons of evidence lead us to believe that the experience on P99 is vastly different than in 1999.

Enchanters and charm, for instance.
And with people knowing everything and anything about everything.
We still have fun.

I mean, for the average player, there was still the learning curve for the fights, etc.
(even though fights are very easy in classic)

so top guilds cleared content rapidly but the normal guilds had trouble like back in the day.

A lot like seal team or much less raid target.
And that shit ain't classic.



Wait, what I am trying to say is that it's as classic as they can make a game everyone and their mom knows everything about because part of the classic experience was being a 12 years old idiot who don't know how to wow.

P99 is a very good version of Vanilla EQ because it fixes the majority of the issues with Vanilla, mainly bad client issues, interface issues etc.. Being Titanium Client kind of fixed things.

That is a hard comparison to make as P99 has no boosts/instancing etc that destroyed Everquest in the first place for me, Much like with WoW when they introduced instancing and shit and that killed it for me.

But WoW Classic spawned instantly with instancing.. they made no attempt at using zones, it was just one big server cluster fuck that live is today, these first principles that really matter are just forgotten today in like you say a way where moms and kids can play together while elitists can do their raiding and ignore it all.

Now they are doing server to server grouping, boosting.. Literally everything wrong with Live, because it IS NOT the content that is the problem with Live, it is the first principles of a MMORPG which they are again stamping into WoW Classic.. but they already did this so good riddance.

[Gravydoo II]

Oh wait. Lets NOT start a gold farm on wow...

[unsunghero]

So it appears based on reading the WoW forum that you have to choose to either stay on your current classic server and by doing so be grandfathered into TBC, or else pay to copy your char to a permanently classic WoW server for anyone that wants to stay in classic

And from what I've read, the permanently classic servers are super dead atm. Like not enough people to even do 5 man groups

And the regular classic servers that my char is on (account inactive though) are apparently currently being given like double honor points earned in pvp for the rest of this month and all pvp item rewards are available to be bought with honor points, because they will all be obsolete when TBC launches June 1st. So there is a mad rush for people to PvP atm. Would be tempting for me, but I am not really into trying to organize or join a full 15 man pvp group. I feel like I would be too competitive and upset at them if we were losing. I just prefer to casual stress-free solo bg in a PuG vs PuG, and those didn't really exist in classic when I was playing, and they don't seem to exist now

BUT if anyone is currently playing classic WoW AND doing BG's and can report that they can still get PuG vs PuG matches, I will re-activate today and check it out

Otherwise I may re-activate sometime after tbc launch, but not right away. I didn't join classic right away, I was like a few months behind the mad rush of people leveling, and I preferred it that way

[Byue]

no pugs.
all pre-made using the op new top tier abilities.
useless.

[Arteker]

There's some big differences between Classic WoW and P99 though

While RMT'ing pp and items no doubt happens to some extent on P99, it is RAMPANT on WoW. I have never once in all my time playing classic and reading the classic forums heard about a person even temp banned for buying gold. it simply was not policed. At all. So gold buying was rampant, and therefore botting was rampant. They did ban waves of tens of thousands of bot accounts, but it was only like 2 times a year. That didn't even put a dent in the number of bots, because the chinese gold farmers that were doing it had backup accounts lined up a ready to go. You could do a /who all mauradon and see 30 different mages with names like "jsjsk" and no one at blizz cared

Then GDKP started to take over all pug raids, at least when I was playing. And that wouldn't be so much of a problem, but especially on larger servers with gold buying so rampant, if you DIDN'T buy gold or sell boosts as a mage, good luck being able to afford any good items in the bid war. I remember trying to get in a BWL GDKP raid after our guild one didn't happen because not enough people were online. I asked them if they thought it would be even worth coming with how much gold I was brining. "Well how much are your bringing?" Me: "Saved up only about 1.5k so far" Answer: "No, it's not worth coming". And once GDKP took over, soft reserve PuGs started to dry up. That GDKP run was the only PuG BWL happening on my server at the time

Min/max culture aside, classic wow became 100% business, and a RMT business at that. And that's how retail is too, for arenas. So much boosting and buying rating. And it's going to happen in arenas in TBC classic. I didn't do enough PvE in TBC to remember how the raids went to attempt to predict how much GDKP is going to be going on. At least there will still be guilds who will be doing soft reserves, at least at the beginning of TBC

I don't think P99 will ever reach levels of RMT that were happening in Classic WoW

that was imported from emu servers , was prety standard there and most rmt bussines are now in hands of of czechs and other slab countrys doing the same stuff all over again but this time on official servers.

[unsunghero]

no pugs.
all pre-made using the op new top tier abilities.
useless.

arg, disappointing :(

But not unexpected

[Arteker]

Ty

And oh yeah on the hard to make make part...for a number of reasons. People didn’t give a shit about watching you if you weren’t outnumbered. There were a few extremely skilled South Korean mages who were posting vids of them pulling off 1v4’s and killing all of them, and those were the vids you knew you were going to be side by side with. The problem was that when battlegrounds were released in WoW, world pvp pretty much completely dried up, except for some rare spats at blackrock mountain. So if you wanted footage of pvp it had to be in battlegrounds. And since all battlegrounds were team vs team, people were constantly running up and jumping in to help. I had to scrap so much footage where I was pulling off a great 1v3, but then all of a sudden 3 horde run up and kill everyone

Also, the uncompressed fraps footage was enormous in size, and my computer wasn’t great. I had some times during extended fights where my computer literally froze and gave me a message that my HD was full and there was not enough memory to continue operating windows lol

I pirated (not proud of it) a jailbreaked copy of Sony Vegas video, which was a professional and extremely not user friendly video editing software that normally ran for about $500. I had to spend a week just learning the basics of the damn thing, and I only scratched the surface of what it could do. Spent hundreds of hours editing, and you actually grow to hate your favorite songs that you selected because you hear them 100 times in a row trying to line them up with the action :(

the most skilled pvp players outdoor where mostly Vurtnee a frost mage,Medianoche a ele shaman both pionered the use of engineer gadgets on pvp wich at start was not realy used despite massive pvp adventages .And the use of fap potions to hard counter the plague of wanna be rogues.
later did came the generation of bg cut and glue pvp videos of unbrekeable ,

[unsunghero]

no pugs.
all pre-made using the op new top tier abilities.
useless.

Are people able to furiously pvp until they have enough honor this week to buy all the rank 14 set, and THEN copy their char to a permanent classic realm as is?

That seems kinda unfair, because that gear normally took months and months of grind, not just 1 week. And the person would be copied to the permanently classic wow server with best in slot gear for pvp for just 1 week of effort?

Say it isn't so

[unsunghero]

the most skilled pvp players outdoor where mostly Vurtnee a frost mage,Medianoche a ele shaman both pionered the use of engineer gadgets on pvp wich at start was not realy used despite massive pvp adventages .And the use of fap potions to hard counter the plague of wanna be rogues.
later did came the generation of bg cut and glue pvp videos of unbrekeable ,

I agree, unfortunately on my server, world pvp did completely literally dry up once BG's were in full swing except for one exception. If you inconvenienced a guild trying to get to BRM or MC enough, they would send a squad out after you. That's why I mentioned that aside from BG's, the only world pvp I could get was the occasional spats outside BRM

[drelk001]

no...

[unsunghero]

no...

Kk good, cause I did not want to feel obligated to have to log in and bash my face against the wall of never-ending pre-mades for a straight week just in case I decided to later want to copy my char to the always classic server

I didn’t want to feel I would be missing out on copying with full r14 gear. Glad that isn’t possible

[unsunghero]

It’s also frustrating I can’t just ask on the forums because blizz won’t let me post there unless I give them my money. And my old classic WoW friends all quit so I can’t ask them

Ya’ll are my only source of info atm

[unsunghero]

I am probably going to copy my char to permanent classic server. He only has all T1 and his only piece T2 is the legs from rag. Has ony neck, epic quest bow, but does have the Jin ring set from ZG, which is just about as good as all ring epics till naxx

So his gear will be on the weak side compared to most people copying. But I am predicting that TBC arenas will ultimately (not right away but eventually), be a flop due to rampant boosting and rating selling. And when that happens people will flock back to classic, hoping for some true casual nostalgia. That’s my prediction

[Phatso]

What is best server for alliance PVE? I was on Azuresong and its dead.

[Nocht]

Was going through my old files and found this vid of me being bad in pvp during wotlk.

During this patch Warlocks were super OP after they buffed us and we could literally two shot players. I was blessed to have decent raid gear at the time and spent a few nights terrorizing Wintergrasp. I hid my gear under T6 from tbc and people would jump on the chance to kill me because they thought I would be a free kill XD.

Please don't mind the video quality or editing, its old and I was just a dabbler.

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