Traveler's Boots a viable alternative to JBoots?

[tadkins]

Just wondering there. If for whatever reason I'm not up to the trouble of trying to acquire JBoots for my wizard (being unable to compete with the 50+ far faster folks in SRo, or feeling anxious about buying a MQ with all the things that can go wrong there) would just saving the money and making my way to the vendor to pick up TBoots be a viable option as well?

Going by the wiki, it seems like they both provide the same amount of speed, with the TBoots just requiring a cast time. Since I have the Temp Flux staff for the CD resetting already, I'm honestly just thinking of doing that. Would I end up regretting it?

[Tunabros]

yeah but its not an instant cast

you can pay about the same amount of plat to just buy a regular jboots mq

[Kavious]

Travelers Boots dont become an option until mid Velious

[tadkins]

yeah but its not an instant cast

you can pay about the same amount of plat to just buy a regular jboots mq

Actually people seem to be asking for 6k for JBoots MQs here, whereas the TBoots are sold for 5kish on the vendor. So the TBoots would actually be cheaper, aside from all the things that can go wrong with trying to MQ a JBoots.

Travelers Boots dont become an option until mid Velious

Oh, fair enough. Actually didn't know that one, hehe.

I'm just worried about trying to get a pair of Jboots. My lower level wizard isn't going to be able to compete with all the 50+ rangers, druids and bards sniping it in SRo.

[Tunabros]

6k is for everything included but should be more of like 5.5k tbh

jboots are more worth it

[tadkins]

6k is for everything included but should be more of like 5.5k tbh

jboots are more worth it

Just going by what I saw in the tunnel the last time.

I'm just nervous about how easily a MQing can go wrong. I heard someone can give a water flask to Hasten to essentially troll people and it screws the whole thing up. Then there's the gnome just dashing away before the transaction is completed.

[Tunabros]

Just going by what I saw in the tunnel the last time.

I'm just nervous about how easily a MQing can go wrong. I heard someone can give a water flask to Hasten to essentially troll people and it screws the whole thing up. Then there's the gnome just dashing away before the transaction is completed.

could get on a list and camp it at oot

[tadkins]

could get on a list and camp it at oot

Don't you need to be 45+ to be able to get it from there? And also be friends with the guild controlling that spawn?

I've never had a JBoots in my life so these are honest questions. I just feel like they're beyond a peasant like me hehe.

[Taiku]

Don't you need to be 45+ to be able to get it from there? And also be friends with the guild controlling that spawn?

I've never had a JBoots in my life so these are honest questions. I just feel like they're beyond a peasant like me hehe.

You do need to be high enough level to solo it, every 6 minutes or whatever the spawn is, meaning recovering the mana you use and be ready for the next spawn, don't know when a wizard is able to do that. There are typically going to be people there to assist but you shouldn't rely on them it's a long camp potentially and they will go afk leaving you to deal with it alone.

No need for connections to the players there, just show up and ask to be added to the list, and then typically don't leave the zone. Rules are pretty much up to whoever is currently holding the list before it's your turn, someone could tell you it's okay to go off and do stuff elsewhere but then the list moves up and the new owner notices you're not in the zone and just skip you, but it's pretty simple!

From the wiki "The cyclops in Ocean of Tears which is a placeholder for an ancient cyclops might be higher level, requiring 5 Ice Comets to take down."

[tadkins]

You do need to be high enough level to solo it, every 6 minutes or whatever the spawn is, meaning recovering the mana you use and be ready for the next spawn, don't know when a wizard is able to do that. There are typically going to be people there to assist but you shouldn't rely on them it's a long camp potentially and they will go afk leaving you to deal with it alone.

No need for connections to the players there, just show up and ask to be added to the list, and then typically don't leave the zone. Rules are pretty much up to whoever is currently holding the list before it's your turn, someone could tell you it's okay to go off and do stuff elsewhere but then the list moves up and the new owner notices you're not in the zone and just skip you, but it's pretty simple!

From the wiki "The cyclops in Ocean of Tears which is a placeholder for an ancient cyclops might be higher level, requiring 5 Ice Comets to take down."
Ah gotcha, thanks. I just remember reading a thread here a while back about how Kingdom controls that area and that I have to appeal to them if I wanted a shot at that spawn. I honestly thought that I'd have to try to make friends with them first.

But yup, how would they feel if I as a 20ish wizard wanted to get added to that list? I figured they would just disregard and pass me up as I'm not capable of doing it myself.

[Anxarcule]

I've done Jboots MQ 30+ times and never had it go wrong - I wouldn't be concerned about it going wrong personally. I can't speak for other sellers but I also only collect payment after it's successful.

A 20ish wizard can't do OoT (also you can't take out the AC in SRo which is a lower level), but if you have the cash it's worth investing a Jboots MQ. It will help you quad easier which means you'll level easier, and eventually be able to hunt the AC yourself and return the investment (just get a flux staff to be able to engage quickly)

[tadkins]

I've done Jboots MQ 30+ times and never had it go wrong - I wouldn't be concerned about it going wrong personally. I can't speak for other sellers but I also only collect payment after it's successful.

A 20ish wizard can't do OoT (also you can't take out the AC in SRo which is a lower level), but if you have the cash it's worth investing a Jboots MQ. It will help you quad easier which means you'll level easier, and eventually be able to hunt the AC yourself and return the investment (just get a flux staff to be able to engage quickly)

I'm going to be 29 pretty shortly here which I think will put me in range into being able to do the SRo one? Assuming I could get a tag which might be impossible considering all the 50+ speedsters I'd have to compete with. As I'm also almost 29, I'm starting to reach the range where leveling further might be downright impossible without jboots so I will have to figure something out, and I'm honestly at kind of a loss right now.

But that's cool about the payment thing. Is that standard protocol, meaning if I manage to get the 6k, would I be in the wrong to ask to be able to pay after the MQ is successful?

[Taiku]

As I'm also almost 29, I'm starting to reach the range where leveling further might be downright impossible without jboots so I will have to figure something out, and I'm honestly at kind of a loss right now.

SoW pots are a good hold over for your speed needs, 10p a charge, i think if you gather enough 1 charge pots then recharging with a 10 charge pot would be cheaper, depends on what you're quadding but if you can make 10p within a charge duration then you're all set, or take some loss for the exp exchange, if you're determined to solo.

[tadkins]

SoW pots are a good hold over for your speed needs, 10p a charge, i think if you gather enough 1 charge pots then recharging with a 10 charge pot would be cheaper, depends on what you're quadding but if you can make 10p within a charge duration then you're all set, or take some loss for the exp exchange, if you're determined to solo.

Wasn't planning on quadding till 34, where I hear it becomes viable due to Circle of Force. I just hit 29 so I have about 5 levels to figure something out.

I just spent all day leveling from 27 to 29 on the Sister isle in OOT ganking the two solo ones back and forth. I'm thinking about trying my luck real soon with the two longsword ones in the hut, but I want to build a little security exp first. I've had enough mana to blow up one at a time, just been reluctant to try the longsword ones because I would need to be able to take out two at once with a mana bar. But if I can manage it, I will have the cash to consider SoW pots as an option.

I'm not determined to solo but not in all my time leveling have I once been asked to join a group. Probably because wizards are the least desirable group class in the game. I knew this when I went into it though and thus already accepted the fact that it will be a lonely life until I quad my way to 60, at which point I can try my luck at joining a raid guild. But I do envy those with friends and regular groups out there.

[Taiku]

Waiting to be asked to join a group is going to be a long process as a wizard, gotta chat people up and be proactive with asking to join into groups or even just duos with people, you'll trick someone into inviting you by accident eventually and maybe even make some EQ pals to group with later on!

[tadkins]

Waiting to be asked to join a group is going to be a long process as a wizard, gotta chat people up and be proactive with asking to join into groups or even just duos with people, you'll trick someone into inviting you by accident eventually and maybe even make some EQ pals to group with later on!

That's what I keep hearing here, but honestly...it's hard. Just being super shy and introverted, and not confident in my knowledge of this game. I feel like it's just better for everyone if I stay out of the way and stick to my little corner killing the dock sister and the tree sister where I'm not bothering anyone.

All I really know how to do is /ooc XXX Wizard LFG, and hope for the best, which is usually a waste of time.

[sajbert]

I have jboots. I rarely use the boots for gcd resets and if needed star of eyes could do the same and that also works indoors. If you have an enemy target flux staff works too.

Sure, sometimes it's nice with an instant cast in case you forget to reapply but it's really not necessary if you pay a lil attention.

[tadkins]

I have jboots. I rarely use the boots for gcd resets and if needed star of eyes could do the same and that also works indoors. If you have an enemy target flux staff works too.

Sure, sometimes it's nice with an instant cast in case you forget to reapply but it's really not necessary if you pay a lil attention.

That's basically what I was wondering. If I had the temp flux staff (for when GCD resets are needed), and I'm mindful enough to cast TBoots before every pull, would JBoots really be necessary?

Of course I know now that's not an option as TBoots won't be available till Velious now, hehe.

[Ravager]

I always found Peggy Cloak to be more essential to travel and quadding than JBoots. Sow is cheap and I'd spend the plat on a lev cloak.

[Taiku]

Blood of the wolf pots are 10 charges of 36 minute SoW (34%-55% movement speed) So 360 minutes (6 hours) of spirit of wolf for 100p

Traveler's boots speed is 35%, and only lasts 18 minutes, so you have to recast more often and don't make as much space away from mobs during quadding.

For the same price (not counting time invested buying the potions) you could have 300 hours of nearly double the speed. And also support your local alchemy business!

This isn't including the possibility of recharging the single charge pots with a full one (if that even is cost effective), and also that you don't have to buy more than you need, you might go through 10 potions before realizing you DO want the jboots and go for them, once you get traveler's boots they are useless if you ever want to get the jboots.

[drackgon]

No guilds control any camp in game. AC isn't that hard(can get lucky if u have ranger/bard friend for SRO one) but the one in OOT its just a list you go sit out and when its ur turn. just kill Ph..

Side note don't be afraid of paying 5-6k for MQ. If a player tries to rip you off. /Petition Its a bannable offense. And clearly tell them that your opening a petition. (just don't get a MQ by someone below lvl 35 bc thats probably a red flag)

And yes you can't get on the list at lvl 20. If you can't solo(or have a group) keeping PH down you can't claim camp. You need to focus on leveling or just paying the plat(worth it, just like OT hammer is worth it) Jboots on a wizzy is super amazing with gflux staff.

Jboots. Hit 4 mobs with Gflux staff, start kite, and win spaming snare/staff, then nuke/staff.

[Jimjam]

Honestly, sow is more handy, especially once Velious comes out.

I have jboots on my blue wiz and often find myself using sow instead. Jboots are good panic button though. Not sure if Tboots are as adept for that use.

[Bardp1999]

I've done 10+ MQs for Jboots, some as buyer and some as seller, and I have never seen it mess up nor have i even heard from any of my elf pals of the MQ messing up. Hasten appears to be one of the safer MQs IMO.

At level 20 they are not really feasible for you to get anyhow. Either wait till 45+ to camp yourself or 50+ where you can afford the MQ (I had about 30k by 55 on my shaman).

Quadding at 34 probably means OT, and in OT you can usually get Druid SoW pretty easily anyway because of all the porting going on. When you graduate to Spirocs in OOT is when you start needing SoW.

[geniusi]

Jboots. Hit 4 mobs with Gflux staff, start kite, and win spaming snare/staff, then nuke/staff.

what is this gflux staff you speak of?

[starkind]

if your a wizard and ur serious drop the plat on the jboots

if not buy some sow pots and solo lvl and get them later

but quadding on a wiz without boots and staff is kinda dumb, any other class i'd say dont even bother

btw both mq's should be super afordable by lvl 34 when u rly wnat to start quaddding and stuff anyway

if u dont already have a lvl 60 druid in full planar

[sajbert]

I always found Peggy Cloak to be more essential to travel and quadding than JBoots. Sow is cheap and I'd spend the plat on a lev cloak.

Batwings are cheap and easy to buy.

[Cen]

For enchanters and wizards, never settle for trav boots
You will need instant speed. For an opposite example clerics, monks, and SKs having a cast time won't hurt you as often as you have easy disengages, or do not kite or deal with surprises like that

[cd288]

IMO the instant cast aspect is really only important if you don’t have another Insta clicky that can reset your GCD as a caster. Otherwise not worth the extra 1k for the JBoots MQ if you don’t have tons of plat to spare

[drackgon]

what is this gflux staff you speak of?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Staff_of_Temperate_Flux_Quest

Its not gflux. Just a flux. But its a stupid op item for wizzy.

[Keebz]

The cast time is a massive downgrade. Do not buy T Boots when you can spend 200plat more and get jboots.

As for the MQ process, I've done it 100+ times. Just don't turn anything in until the MQer very clearly tells you to and it will go fine.

Using sow pots in the interim isn't a bad idea, but jboots instant speed is extremely valuable, so I'd highly recommend getting them eventually.

As for camping it yourself in SRO, 9/10 you are in for a lot of frustration. I'd suggest just buying them unless learning the camp and checking 24/7 until you get them sounds fun to you.

[drackgon]

And what peeps saying T boots isnt worth it at all. Do the MQ if you got that plat. It is day or night different. Every class having instant cast while pulling/kiting stopping to cast can be death. And like peeps said jboots are an extra item to instant click to recast(like flux staff) only side effect cant use indoor clearly.

[UrkTheSlayer]

This is a very informative thread, thank you guys.

[tadkins]

Thanks everyone for your suggestions. To the ones that involve having friends though, I wish it weren't the case but I've never had those kind of people to count on. I wish I did. When I was going for the temp flux staff I had to use my own 45 mage to do it as I couldn't count on anyone to help me. In SolA when I tried to get the heart of fire there, there were a couple of folks getting powerleveled by high level buddies and I wish I had those kind of connections with folks. Heck I know there are some folks lucky enough to have friends that would help them get their jboots.

The idea of trying to get a pegasus cloak is a daunting one because as far as I know, you need a team of folks at each spawn point willing to help you get it. But at least levitate is a spell on the wizard list.

I guess I could really use some advice on how to socialize and make friends though, because I've always felt genuinely pretty lonely here.

[cd288]

The cast time is a massive downgrade. Do not buy T Boots when you can spend 200plat more and get jboots.

As for the MQ process, I've done it 100+ times. Just don't turn anything in until the MQer very clearly tells you to and it will go fine.

Using sow pots in the interim isn't a bad idea, but jboots instant speed is extremely valuable, so I'd highly recommend getting them eventually.

As for camping it yourself in SRO, 9/10 you are in for a lot of frustration. I'd suggest just buying them unless learning the camp and checking 24/7 until you get them sounds fun to you.

It’s at least a thousand plat more I believe not 200

[cd288]

And what peeps saying T boots isnt worth it at all. Do the MQ if you got that plat. It is day or night different. Every class having instant cast while pulling/kiting stopping to cast can be death. And like peeps said jboots are an extra item to instant click to recast(like flux staff) only side effect cant use indoor clearly.

Meh not really much of an issue with kiting. Just strafe run for several seconds and you probably have enough space between you and the mob to get off a 1.5 second cast

[Keebz]

It’s at least a thousand plat more I believe not 200

Traveler's boots are what 5250pp? JBoots run for 5325 to 6k in EC, 5.5k all inclusive being pretty common.

[tadkins]

Traveler's boots are what 5250pp? JBoots run for 5325 to 6k in EC, 5.5k all inclusive being pretty common.

I've been seeing them for 6k lately, why I figured the TBoots would have been more worth it if the other aspects of the jboots weren't needed.

[Falditin]

Little off topic, but SoW pots vendor for 18pp. So it saves a little plat by vendoring the pot when it has 1 charge left.

Its been 4 or 5 months since I've bought any sow pots, but it wasn't difficult to find them on the weekend for 90p, especially if you find someone who is selling them in bulk.

If you buy them for 90p and vendor the last charge its basically 72p for 9 charges or 8p per charge which I think is reasonable. Unless your quadding raptors :p, a single quad will come close to covering the 8p for the charge you used.

[cd288]

Thanks everyone for your suggestions. To the ones that involve having friends though, I wish it weren't the case but I've never had those kind of people to count on. I wish I did. When I was going for the temp flux staff I had to use my own 45 mage to do it as I couldn't count on anyone to help me. In SolA when I tried to get the heart of fire there, there were a couple of folks getting powerleveled by high level buddies and I wish I had those kind of connections with folks. Heck I know there are some folks lucky enough to have friends that would help them get their jboots.

The idea of trying to get a pegasus cloak is a daunting one because as far as I know, you need a team of folks at each spawn point willing to help you get it. But at least levitate is a spell on the wizard list.

I guess I could really use some advice on how to socialize and make friends though, because I've always felt genuinely pretty lonely here.

Are you in a guild? If not join one. Group with guildies when you can. Be social in pick up groups (I find that people might not talk unless prompted but once one or two people start chatting in the group everyone will join in)...add people to your friends list if you get along.

If you’re in a guild, I’d recommend joining their discord and chatting there as people seem to be pretty active in the discord’s in most guilds. Don’t worry about making friends, it’s just like RL, put yourself into the situation and be social and you’ll make those P99 friends in time

[Anxarcule]

A 45 mage can 100% camp the ocean of tears AC, then you can just MQ it to your wizard - people should be willing to help with keeping hasten locked in place, just ask in zone.

As for pegasus cloak, I've gotten her on my ranger many times solo (though track helps a ton) - if you go during off hours when few people are zone and use pet tracking to see when she spawns you have a decent chance of getting her - just check the SW spawn point first and then run and check her other two paths... though without SoW or JBoots it is tedious.

[Tethler]

people should be willing to help with keeping hasten locked in place, just ask in zone.



Hasten will run off after not being hailed for like 10 seconds. Just hail spam till he stops, stick 1 item in trade, hail again, stick another in trade, hail again, etc. Don't really need help from anyone for that :)

[tadkins]

Are you in a guild? If not join one. Group with guildies when you can. Be social in pick up groups (I find that people might not talk unless prompted but once one or two people start chatting in the group everyone will join in)...add people to your friends list if you get along.

If you’re in a guild, I’d recommend joining their discord and chatting there as people seem to be pretty active in the discord’s in most guilds. Don’t worry about making friends, it’s just like RL, put yourself into the situation and be social and you’ll make those P99 friends in time

I am generally a pretty quiet person so that does make it tough. I do appreciate the advice though. Level 30 and I haven't really grouped once so far. I would like to join a guild, and there are a couple I am interested in (have had good experiences with folks in them) but I need to wait till 40 before asking about joining. My big worry there is that they will say no, though.

A 45 mage can 100% camp the ocean of tears AC, then you can just MQ it to your wizard - people should be willing to help with keeping hasten locked in place, just ask in zone.

As for pegasus cloak, I've gotten her on my ranger many times solo (though track helps a ton) - if you go during off hours when few people are zone and use pet tracking to see when she spawns you have a decent chance of getting her - just check the SW spawn point first and then run and check her other two paths... though without SoW or JBoots it is tedious.

I may actually do that, the OoT AC. Generally how long does one expect to wait if they head there and join a list?

The pegasus cloak, while that would be nice, I'm not too stressed over. Maybe one day I'll make a ranger friend. I do have levitate as a spell which is cool, and that'll be good enough for now.

[tadkins]

Hasten will run off after not being hailed for like 10 seconds. Just hail spam till he stops, stick 1 item in trade, hail again, stick another in trade, hail again, etc. Don't really need help from anyone for that :)

Will need help if I'm MQing for myself. The time it takes to log off, potentially crash (does this happen to all of you as much as it does to me?) and log back in, he'll definitely be long gone. But I can probably find someone to spam hail him in the 2mins or so it takes to get back.

[cd288]

I am generally a pretty quiet person so that does make it tough. I do appreciate the advice though. Level 30 and I haven't really grouped once so far. I would like to join a guild, and there are a couple I am interested in (have had good experiences with folks in them) but I need to wait till 40 before asking about joining. My big worry there is that they will say no, though.



I may actually do that, the OoT AC. Generally how long does one expect to wait if they head there and join a list?

The pegasus cloak, while that would be nice, I'm not too stressed over. Maybe one day I'll make a ranger friend. I do have levitate as a spell which is cool, and that'll be good enough for now.

Why wait till 40? Unless you’re joining one of the main raiding guilds they won’t care what level you are

[PDX0621]

Side note don't be afraid of paying 5-6k for MQ. If a player tries to rip you off. /Petition Its a bannable offense. And clearly tell them that your opening a petition. (just don't get a MQ by someone below lvl 35 bc thats probably a red flag)

Wait...what? If I want to sell you a plain old rusty dagger for 100pp, that's my prerogative. If you want to buy said plain old rusty dagger for 100pp that's yours. The owner sets the price. You can take it, leave it or try and bargain with them. You'd be filling 100's of petitions per day with the ripoff prices people charge for stuff in EC, and to no result.

Now if I tell you plain old rusty dagger is a special piece needed for a quest or whatnot (knowing that it isn't) and still trying to pass it off as such, then I have defrauded you which is covered in the PNP.

[tadkins]

Why wait till 40? Unless you’re joining one of the main raiding guilds they won’t care what level you are

The guild I have my eye on requires level 40 I think. And I do really want to raid eventually. It's still a dream of mine to see a raid zone one day.

[Tethler]

Will need help if I'm MQing for myself. The time it takes to log off, potentially crash (does this happen to all of you as much as it does to me?) and log back in, he'll definitely be long gone. But I can probably find someone to spam hail him in the 2mins or so it takes to get back.

Well that's true, he'll definitely run off in that time. Luckily, there is no time limit on turning in a MQ. Just catch him when he passes in the loop next time and finish the final item.

[cannobeers3]

Holy shit, just do something and stop being such a pussy. It is a fucking video game.

[cannobeers3]

I bet you would be a fucking nightmare guildmate.

[cd288]

The guild I have my eye on requires level 40 I think. And I do really want to raid eventually. It's still a dream of mine to see a raid zone one day.

Oh gotcha well best of luck! The planes are pretty cool especially, enjoy the journey! And ignore the jerk above me with his replies

[Falditin]

And ignore the jerk above me with his replies

The poster above you, if you read his posts he basically just rages on people in the forums. I feel a little sad for them.

[Ravager]

Batwings are cheap and easy to buy.

But a pain in the ass to go out of your way to get. Not to mention swapping spells is a bugger. Peggy cloak is clutch.