Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[Samoht]

I see you still don't understand FD mechanics.

Please explain the mechanics then and how I am wrong. I welcome you to positively contribute to this conversation instead of just slinging shit.

[Allishia]

:confused:

Lol :)

[Allishia]

If he was FD, the train wasn't on him when it came up the ramp. The assist was on KRIOT raiders, and KRIOT raiders died before Klaz.

KRIOT trained Klaz during a Vanquish engage. You must concede the next Vulak.

Because klaz's FD landed right when Runyan started spamming assist and the agro transfered to people sitting /nod.

[Gatordash]

Lol :)

Right. You see him clearly casting FD even though you never actually see him casting FD. Makes total sense.

[Samoht]

Because klaz's FD landed right when Runyan started spamming assist and the agro transfered to people sitting /nod.

I don't remember seeing that in the video.

[Allishia]

Right. You see him clearly casting FD even though you never actually see him casting FD. Makes total sense.

/nod

[remen]

Because klaz's FD landed right when Runyan started spamming assist and the agro transfered to people sitting /nod.

You guys keep saying this. It sounds like this is your guys guess of what happened, and the narrative you want to believe / push.

Maybe I am missing something but I haven't seen any fraps showing him feigning death anywhere, particularly right before the train comes in. If there is a video or whatever of him doing this, please post it or let me know where to look, and I'll admit I am dead wrong.

Otherwise, all the evidence shows Kriot trained themselves. /Double nod

[Bardp1999]

Why not Riot and whatever version of Aftermath (Vanquished now?) just merge and rule over Velious with an iron grip and stop the bickering

[titanshub]

You guys keep saying this. It sounds like this is your guys guess of what happened, and the narrative you want to believe / push.

Maybe I am missing something but I haven't seen any fraps showing him feigning death anywhere, particularly right before the train comes in. If there is a video or whatever of him doing this, please post it or let me know where to look, and I'll admit I am dead wrong.

Otherwise, all the evidence shows Kriot trained themselves. /Double nod

Evidence:
https://i.imgur.com/9jijo81.gif

[Samoht]

TY Spacepop for proof that KRIOT trained Klaz during the Vanquish engage.

We expect you to concede the next Vulak for training.

[Grumph]

Because klaz's FD landed right when Runyan started spamming assist and the agro transfered to people sitting /nod.



A Good Reason. For why you don't have the evidence you need.

Is not the same as.

Good Evidence.


On an unrelated note. I have a good reason for why I didn't buy 1,000 bitcoins when it was $0.50.

Therefore I deserve $30mil today.

Hey Allisha! Where's my money?

[Kaitainz]

A Good Reason. For why you don't have the evidence you need.

Is not the same as.

Good Evidence.


On an unrelated note. I have a good reason for why I didn't buy 1,000 bitcoins when it was $0.50.

Therefore I deserve $30mil today.

Hey Allisha! Where's my money?

Lets see how long this statement above lasts for... I don't think its going be be very good for you, so I am making sure I quote it... enjoy!

[remen]

Cause you can clearly see him casting FD as the train runs up and agro's people, then his FD gets broke by aoe and he died /nod

Because klaz's FD landed right when Runyan started spamming assist and the agro transfered to people sitting /nod.

You guys keep saying this. It sounds like this is your guys guess of what happened, and the narrative you want to believe / push.

Maybe I am missing something but I haven't seen any fraps showing him feigning death anywhere, particularly right before the train comes in. If there is a video or whatever of him doing this, please post it or let me know where to look, and I'll admit I am dead wrong.

Otherwise, all the evidence shows Kriot trained themselves. /Double nod

Evidence:
https://i.imgur.com/9jijo81.gif

That's the same clip from the fraps of his FD being broken by the AoE of the mobs you trained on yourselves. You have all kept saying Klax stands PRIOR to the train coming in, and then FDs again. Yet every video and screenshot posted only shows him standing up AFTER the train is already there.

I probably wasn't clear in what I was asking in my previous post. Can you show anything that backs up your story of Klax standing up before the train comes in?

[sydbarrett25]

Lol you have to wait for the goods ��

[zati]

Only thing I learned from this thread is that Samoht, Hotel, and Remen need to roll a monk or necro. Stop being warm bodies, Learn teh FD mechanics. Stop soaking DKP and being a keyboard warrior on forums. /thread

[kitao]

Yeah remen- make a monk or necro!

Same goes for you Hotel, make a monk!

[zati]

Yeah remen- make a monk or necro!

Same goes for you Hotel, make a monk!

They've clearly never played these classes. And if they do they got CARRIED. Hard.

[Samoht]

Only thing I learned from this thread is that Samoht, Hotel, and Remen need to roll a monk or necro. Stop being warm bodies, Learn teh FD mechanics. Stop soaking DKP and being a keyboard warrior on forums. /thread

Please explain what's wrong with our understanding. Are you indicating that getting hit by an AE does not break your FD?

[zati]

Please explain what's wrong with our understanding. Are you indicating that getting hit by an AE does not break your FD?

Nothing is wrong with "your" understanding. I am simply suggesting you create a Necro or Monk and level them to the appropriate levels then test Feign death on your own free time. Good luck.

[reznor_]

Only thing I learned from this thread is that Samoht, Hotel, and Remen need to roll a monk or necro. Stop being warm bodies, Learn teh FD mechanics. Stop soaking DKP and being a keyboard warrior on forums. /thread

Uh lol

[Grumph]

Nothing is wrong with "your" understanding. I am simply suggesting you create a Necro or Monk and level them to the appropriate levels then test Feign death on your own free time. Good luck.


“If you don’t invest a hundreds hours of your own time defending yourself that’s proof your guilty!”

[Gatordash]

Nothing is wrong with "your" understanding. I am simply suggesting you create a Necro or Monk and level them to the appropriate levels then test Feign death on your own free time. Good luck.

Remember when you were leveling 'Mend' and it would damage you instead of heal. What a bunch of horseshit.

[mattydef]

Looks like a pretty obvious train, either that or the guy was clearly just an innocent cameraman.

[zati]

“If you don’t invest a hundreds hours of your own time defending yourself that’s proof your guilty!”

No. If you don't know simple mechanics by now you are either:

1. Using that knowledge to gain leverage by blind sighting others from seeing actual truth

or

2. Don't understand how to play.


Take your pick. Most people already know which it is. I'll assist you though by using my own free-time to supplement you a direct link to:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Feign_Death_(Ability)

Hope you guys are taking notes. Exams next Repop cycle.

[Gatordash]

No. If you don't know simple mechanics by now you are either:

1. Using that knowledge to gain leverage by blind sighting others from seeing actual truth

or

2. Don't understand how to play.


Take your pick. Most people already know which it is. I'll assist you though by using my own free-time to supplement you a direct link to:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Feign_Death_(Ability)

Hope you guys are taking notes. Exams next Repop cycle.

I never learned how to FD to the left. Please teach me so I'm no longer a uniflopper.

[Hotel]

Hope you guys are taking notes. Exams next Repop cycle.


im going to enjoy shitting on your dead guild

lets see if you can log in more than 60 for the next vulak

[zati]

I never learned how to FD to the left. Please teach me so I'm no longer a uniflopper.

First you gotta log out from RnF. Double click EQ. Enter a server of choice. Hit New character. Pick a race that allows you to select one of the three following classes: Monk,Necro,SK. Then name it something good.

When you enter the world you are now either orthodox or southpaw style. Congratulations; you are on your way.

[zati]

im going to enjoy shitting on your dead guild

lets see if you can log in more than 60 for the next vulak

With the link I provided you, you might able to defeat a dead guild!

[Samoht]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Feign_Death_(Ability)

Is this where we go to learn that when KRIOT trains AEing drakes on top of you while you're FD, it will add you back to the aggro list?

[Gatordash]

First you gotta log out from RnF.

This is where you lost me.

[Nutsax]

Looks like a pretty obvious train, either that or the guy was clearly just an innocent cameraman.

If he is just an innocent cameraman, why hasn't he released his fraps to exonerate himself?

[remen]

probably because he doesn't use fraps like the rest of us neckbeards. Why hasn't anyone released fraps of him standing and then feigning death before the train comes in?

Why hasn't anyone explained why the train goes for players further away around the corner, rather than those sitting up front?

[remen]

Lol you have to wait for the goods ��

Does this mean you guys have other videos or screenshots you aren't sharing? or am I misunderstanding

Only thing I learned from this thread is that Samoht, Hotel, and Remen need to roll a monk or necro. Stop being warm bodies, Learn teh FD mechanics. Stop soaking DKP and being a keyboard warrior on forums. /thread

What is the point you are trying to make regarding FD? Are you saying that AoE spells do not break FD?

[Jayzeus]

If he is just an innocent cameraman, why hasn't he released his fraps to exonerate himself?

I agree, guilty until proven innocent

[Nutsax]

I agree, guilty until proven innocent

Stop gaslighting, it was an intentional train, he should be perma banned.

[condap99]

This has gone on entirely too long.

It's super simple. Hypothetically speaking, even if the train was Klaz's fault... it wasn't Kittens/Riots attempt. Riot/Kittens had what, 20-30 mins to recover? And they got the next shot.

Nobody told Riot/Kittens they had to go when they did.
Nobody rushed them.
Nobody trained them.
They setup for, and made their engage 100% on their own timing and strategy.

And they got destroyed.

All of this "lose on the field but win in court afterwards" bullshit is pathetic. It's an embarrassment. If you want to be a fucking winner - either in game or out of it - learn to win on the field.

[Boptop]

imagine competing for pixels

[condap99]

Just checked in logs. 27 minutes between Vanq wipe and Riot/Kittens engage.

27 fucking minutes.

And you can't muster an attempt that doesn't wipe the floor with 100+ of yall.

How the fuck do you ever expect to win a competitive vulak ever again?

Or is this your new strategy? Get shit on in game, then try to lawyerquest to a win in discord?

Why would ANYONE join your guild seeing that this is how you operate

[condap99]

imagine competing for pixels

if competing in gaming isn't how you play, go back to facebook gaming. this server isnt for you

[sydbarrett25]

This has gone on entirely too long.

It's super simple. Hypothetically speaking, even if the train was Klaz's fault... it wasn't Kittens/Riots attempt. Riot/Kittens had what, 20-30 mins to recover? And they got the next shot.

Nobody told Riot/Kittens they had to go when they did.
Nobody rushed them.
Nobody trained them.
They setup for, and made their engage 100% on their own timing and strategy.

And they got destroyed.

All of this "lose on the field but win in court afterwards" bullshit is pathetic. It's an embarrassment. If you want to be a fucking winner - either in game or out of it - learn to win on the field.

Imagine if other guilds trained you right before an engage. Its not about the timing, the attempt or for whatever reason. Its about the rules that everyone has followed. We uphold these rules to define how we raid. Your cool with this? Just imagine if roles would be reversed which very much could be.

[Jayzeus]

Stop gaslighting, it was an intentional train, he should be perma banned.

https://i.imgur.com/7fSm5Lu.png

:confused:

[Hotel]

Imagine if other guilds trained you right before an engage. Its not about the timing, the attempt or for whatever reason. Its about the rules that everyone has followed. We uphold these rules to define how we raid. Your cool with this? Just imagine if roles would be reversed which very much could be.

this exact thing happened where another guild trained another guild preparing for a vulak engage, and we actually had fraps with an /assist of a riot member bringing it in

you know what the ruling was

take a wild fucking guess

[Samoht]

My favorite is still the Lady M train by Kittens when they wiped both Riot and FRAG.

Guess who got punished there?

[Nutsax]

https://i.imgur.com/7fSm5Lu.png

:confused:

Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a person or a group covertly sows seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or group, making them question their own memory, perception, or judgement.

I believe statements such as "Klaz got trained by KRIOT" fall under this definition.

[Grumph]

This has gone on entirely too long.

It's super simple. Hypothetically speaking, even if the train was Klaz's fault... it wasn't Kittens/Riots attempt. Riot/Kittens had what, 20-30 mins to recover? And they got the next shot.

Nobody told Riot/Kittens they had to go when they did.
Nobody rushed them.
Nobody trained them.
They setup for, and made their engage 100% on their own timing and strategy.

And they got destroyed.

All of this "lose on the field but win in court afterwards" bullshit is pathetic. It's an embarrassment. If you want to be a fucking winner - either in game or out of it - learn to win on the field.


When they train others during their engage: “yall we’re on the tracks!”

When they train themselves during our engage: “delayed is the same as disrupted!”

[Grumph]

Stop gaslighting, it was an intentional train, he should be perma banned.


Vote for Nutsax!

For Supreme Court Chief Justice!

[condap99]

Imagine if other guilds trained you right before an engage. Its not about the timing, the attempt or for whatever reason. Its about the rules that everyone has followed. We uphold these rules to define how we raid. Your cool with this? Just imagine if roles would be reversed which very much could be.

You know what Vanq raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."

If Vanq hadn't wiped, Riot/Kittens did, and Vanq got the first two attempts... then yah. Totally different story. But that's not what happened. R/K had plenty of time. They engaged on their own terms.

Riot/Kittens seem more interested in playing the victim, and trying to win in discord. And this game just isn't won in discord. Not now, not ever. If your leadership thinks this is how the game is played, then your membership should revolt and find leadership who wants to win in game.

[sydbarrett25]

You know what Vanq raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."

If Vanq hadn't wiped, Riot/Kittens did, and Vanq got the first two attempts... then yah. Totally different story. But that's not what happened. R/K had plenty of time. They engaged on their own terms.

Riot/Kittens seem more interested in playing the victim, and trying to win in discord. And this game just isn't won in discord. Not now, not ever. If your leadership thinks this is how the game is played, then your membership should revolt and find leadership who wants to win in game.

You know what Kittens raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."

Cant vouch for other guilds, kittens always will concede upon an unintentional train caused by them.

[Nutsax]

You know what Vanq raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."

If Vanq hadn't wiped, Riot/Kittens did, and Vanq got the first two attempts... then yah. Totally different story. But that's not what happened. R/K had plenty of time. They engaged on their own terms.

Riot/Kittens seem more interested in playing the victim, and trying to win in discord. And this game just isn't won in discord. Not now, not ever. If your leadership thinks this is how the game is played, then your membership should revolt and find leadership who wants to win in game.

Stop gaslighting.

[xdrcfrx]

My favorite is still the Lady M train by Kittens when they wiped both Riot and FRAG.

Guess who got punished there?

not kittens, because it turned out the mob that wiped you wasn't one that was part of our train, but was a repop you failed to manage, knew was a repop in real time, and still petitioned over anyways. That's why your leaders dropped kittens from that petition, remember?

at least try a little harder if you're going to use made up revisionist history to lie and justify your current rule breaking.

[Jayzeus]

Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a person or a group covertly sows seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or group, making them question their own memory, perception, or judgement.

I believe statements such as "Klaz got trained by KRIOT" fall under this definition.

Right, I understand the definition as I also posted it. I just fail to see how what I said in any way constitutes as gaslighting. While the statement you quote may fall under it... I do not recall ever stating such.

[Croco]

All of this "lose on the field but win in court afterwards" bullshit is pathetic. It's an embarrassment. If you want to be a fucking winner - either in game or out of it - learn to win on the field.

Remember when Fr/Ag got like 5 people killed on dagarn ledge then everyone stopped to make sure you guys had enough time to rez before we continued competing, then you guys had the very next attempt on kreizenn and killed the dragon, then you petitioned anyways?

Win on the field then petition after the fact as well, The Quish Way.

[sydbarrett25]

Remember when Fr/Ag got like 5 people killed on dagarn ledge then everyone stopped to make sure you guys had enough time to rez before we continued competing, then you guys had the very next attempt on kreizenn and killed the dragon, then you petitioned anyways?

Win on the field then petition after the fact as well, The Quish Way.

Yikes

[xdrcfrx]

all the "member when's?" are irrelevant, two wrongs don't make a right.

klaz train going to end up like incubo - he'll prob catch a PnP suspension and everyone in Vanquish will be big mad and blame the other side, even though they could have avoided that result by just accepting responsibility for their member's acts instead of throwing them under the bus.

[condap99]

You know what Kittens raid leaders say when a train happens and we don't know what happened/what we can prove? They say "stop worrying about who caused it. recover. keep your head in the fight and lets win this."


R/K engaged on their own terms.

They lost the encounter.

Take the L, pussy

[Arvan]

“You guys trained yourselves with the giant train of mobs we dropped on you”

More news at 11

[xdrcfrx]

R/K engaged on their own terms.

They lost the encounter.

Take the L, pussy

You all can't even take a W with good grace, why should anyone listen to anything you say?

Don't train me bro.

[Samoht]

not kittens, because it turned out the mob that wiped you wasn't one that was part of our train, but was a repop you failed to manage

Your defense is that we failed to manage an extra mob after getting trained by Kittens? Okay? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. We got trained by Kittens. You didn't get petitioned because you didn't kill anything. That's the reason why there are so few petitions against Kittens: you gotta kill shit for petitions to stick. And you can't kill shit.

[xdrcfrx]

Your defense is that we failed to manage an extra mob after getting trained by Kittens? Okay? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. We got trained by Kittens. You didn't get petitioned because you didn't kill anything. That's the reason why there are so few petitions against Kittens: you gotta kill shit for petitions to stick. And you can't kill shit.

lmao, nice deflection.

Are you what constitutes the brains over on your side? big yikes.

[deezy]

https://i.imgur.com/5Z3vq9h.png

[Grumph]

all the "member when's?" are irrelevant, two wrongs don't make a right.

klaz train going to end up like incubo - he'll prob catch a PnP suspension and everyone in Vanquish will be big mad and blame the other side, even though they could have avoided that result by just accepting responsibility for their member's acts instead of throwing them under the bus.


Wasn’t a concession given for that LTK and a PnP ban was still issued?

[Grumph]

https://i.imgur.com/5Z3vq9h.png


King!

[Croco]

Wasn’t a concession given for that LTK and a PnP ban was still issued?

Yeah 2x concession for a mob that at the time you were very rarely contesting. No offer to stop and help CR in the moment. Instead y'all went on and killed 2 (3?) other targets while Riot came and helped Kittens CR and kill LTK. Doing so caused Riot to lose out on Growth/Tunare.

But yeah that 2x LTK was obviously the only necessary punishment.

Wipe an opposing guilds raid, don't offer to help CR in the moment, and take advantage of it by getting 3-4 additional bosses you might not have otherwise killed. The Quish Way.

[Samoht]

lmao, nice deflection.

Are you what constitutes the brains over on your side? big yikes.

I'm not sure that you know what deflecting means. My statement is that Kittens trained FRAG and Riot. Your defense was that it wasn't the train that killed FRAG and Riot, it was an extra mob that popped. But that doesn't excuse the train? Who is the one deflecting?

Kittens didn't get petitioned because they didn't get the kill. CSR has shown in previous cases that guilds only get punished if they secure the kill while committing a petitionable act. And I've seen Kittens commit petitoinable acts. Remember the Vyemm stall when they started wiping during a tank swap? Instead of eating the wipe, they extended their engage by leaving Vyemm tanked for more than a minute while the mob summoned them to kill them one. at. a. time.

It was ridiculous.

You know what I haven't ever seen, though? Is Kittens successfully take a contested mob, much less take one after they've broken the rules.

That's why Kittens doesn't get petitioned.

How are you going to deflect now?

[Samoht]

Yeah 2x concession for a mob that at the time you were very rarely contesting. No offer to stop and help CR in the moment. Instead y'all went on and killed 2 (3?) other targets while Riot came and helped Kittens CR and kill LTK. Doing so caused Riot to lose out on Growth/Tunare.

But yeah that 2x LTK was obviously the only necessary punishment.

Wipe an opposing guilds raid, don't offer to help CR in the moment, and take advantage of it by getting 3-4 additional bosses you might not have otherwise killed. The Quish Way.

Two issues with this scenario: Who the fuck needs HELP recovering from LTK? Any non-KOS cleric can just walk up there and any monk can move the corpses.

And who is to blame that Riot CHOSE to go for LTK instead of contesting other mobs?

How is any of that Vanquish's fault? It's not their fault you suck.

[Grumph]

Yeah 2x concession for a mob that at the time you were very rarely contesting. No offer to stop and help CR in the moment. Instead y'all went on and killed 2 (3?) other targets while Riot came and helped Kittens CR and kill LTK. Doing so caused Riot to lose out on Growth/Tunare.

But yeah that 2x LTK was obviously the only necessary punishment.

Wipe an opposing guilds raid, don't offer to help CR in the moment, and take advantage of it by getting 3-4 additional bosses you might not have otherwise killed. The Quish Way.


Hey Croco, I’m not personally trying to read your mind here.

But FYI a normal human reaction to what you just posted would be something like:

“Well I’m never going to do anything for or give up a single inch to Croco now. Look how he responds when you give a concession? Whines and complains for more more more more! No thank you!”

[Horza]

https://i.imgur.com/5Z3vq9h.png

Detoxx still delivering pizzas for a living?

[xdrcfrx]

I'm not sure that you know what deflecting means. My statement is that Kittens trained FRAG and Riot. Your defense was that it wasn't the train that killed FRAG and Riot, it was an extra mob that popped. But that doesn't excuse the train? Who is the one deflecting?

Kittens didn't get petitioned because they didn't get the kill. CSR has shown in previous cases that guilds only get punished if they secure the kill while committing a petitionable act. And I've seen Kittens commit petitoinable acts. Remember the Vyemm stall when they started wiping during a tank swap? Instead of eating the wipe, they extended their engage by leaving Vyemm tanked for more than a minute while the mob summoned them to kill them one. at. a. time.

It was ridiculous.

You know what I haven't ever seen, though? Is Kittens successfully take a contested mob, much less take one after they've broken the rules.

That's why Kittens doesn't get petitioned.

How are you going to deflect now?

it's a deflection because that's not what this thread is about. I know you want to make it about a different subject, because it looks super bad for you all to intentionally train another raid (again) and if you can change the topic of conversation maybe you can avoid responsibility and/or blame.

If the only time you can be petitioned is after you successfully kill a mob, then why does Vanq. routinely petition after it wins the contest. Guess fishing for free mobs not such a problem when you all are doing it. Just another double standard brought to you by the "training isn't cheating" crowd.

[Croco]

Hey Croco, I’m not personally trying to read your mind here.

But FYI a normal human reaction to what you just posted would be something like:

“Well I’m never going to do anything for or give up a single inch to Croco now. Look how he responds when you give a concession? Whines and complains for more more more more! No thank you!”

I will elaborate on my post since you don't seem to have gotten the point. The concession was hollow and meaningless because Frag at the time was almost never killing LTK. So the cost to Kittens was a lot of wasted time and targets lost and the cost to Frag was nothing.

Two issues with this scenario: Who the fuck needs HELP recovering from LTK? Any non-KOS cleric can just walk up there and any monk can move the corpses.

And who is to blame that Riot CHOSE to go for LTK instead of contesting other mobs?

How is any of that Vanquish's fault? It's not their fault you suck.

You heard it here from Samoht folks! If you wipe a guild during an engage you don't need to help them recover if you feel like it should be an easy recovery. Wasted time doesn't matter! Riot chose to come help do what Frag should've immediately stopped to help do at the time it happened. Because Riot was/is a standup guild and Frag/Vanq is an approximation of a large pile of garbage.

Your boy Incubo is the "suck" you're referring to. He was told before he trained that there was a guild at west exit and decided to train out that direction anyways. Too bad Frag had no integrity at the time to do the right thing. Something that continues to this day.

[Samoht]

it's a deflection because that's not what this thread is about. I know you want to make it about a different subject

I'll quote the context you're missing because you obviously can't read:

this exact thing happened where another guild trained another guild preparing for a vulak engage, and we actually had fraps with an /assist of a riot member bringing it in

you know what the ruling was

take a wild fucking guess

Just to boil it down, people are providing you with examples of trains that went unpunished. Seems on topic to me. Moving on...

You heard it here from Samoht folks! If you wipe a guild during an engage you don't need to help them recover if you feel like it should be an easy recovery.

It's not their fault you seriously suck so bad that you can't recover on your own in a non-KOS wing of ToV. You're demanding blood from a stone. You received your concessions. You're owed nothing more. Move on.

[xdrcfrx]

gaslighting

so is your position that training isn't against the rules? Noted.

Literally all you people need to do is say "sorry" and not kill a pixel dragon this time because you wasted a ton of people's time (probably, but not provably, on purpose).

And you wonder why literally everyone that isn't in your guild dislikes you. lol.

[Samoht]

gaslighting

I'm convinced you don't know what this word means, either.

so is your position that training isn't against the rules? Noted.

You're just making shit up now, right? At no point did I state that training was not against the rules, but there's no reason to keep demanding punishment after the offending party has already been punished.

Literally all you people need to do is say "sorry" and not kill a pixel dragon this time because you wasted a ton of people's time (probably, but not provably, on purpose).

Yes, this is exactly the nature of concessions. This is the punishment system agreed upon by all competing guilds and enforced by the server staff. If you do not agree with concessions your choices are A) Don't raid here or B) Raid somewhere else. Seems to be working for everybody else involved except for you idiots, though.

I hear that live has a raiding environment that is basically competition free. Or since you seem to want things to be over the top easy, you could try World of Warcraft.

[xdrcfrx]

more examples of why no one likes me

sorry you are the way you are. better luck next time, pal.

[tacomagradd]

The back peddling after page 29 of this thread is just spectacular to watch.

The denial dam has busted, and now we get to see a flood of whataboutism, deflection, and vigorous debate about the relative impact of training another guild at a raid encounter.

None of this actually warrants a response, because the defensiveness tells the whole story. Just take responsibility for breaking the rules and move on.

You can't be dead wrong for 29 pages and then expect people to believe you now.

[Grumph]

so is your position that training isn't against the rules? Noted.

Literally all you people need to do is say "sorry" and not kill a pixel dragon this time because you wasted a ton of people's time (probably, but not provably, on purpose).

And you wonder why literally everyone that isn't in your guild dislikes you. lol.



Lots of people like Vanquish. In fact we get new applicants every day!

As for those who dislike us? Well let’s consider…



Vanquish: Happy Fathers Day everyone! Let’s have a toast!

Response: “hey screw your Dad!”

15075



Vanquish: let’s all make an agreement via public oath to do our best to reduce toxicity!

Response: …people oddly decide to brag about their fetish for piss filled balloon fights? (TMI!)



Vanquish: As much as we love Metallica. We’re gonna hold off on the name ‘Blitzk…’ because we don’t want to send the wrong message.

Response: “Kittens nominates Officer Ngar to represent us in the UN!”



Vanquish: (after a mistake). our mistake. We Concede.

Response: “That’s not enough! It’s never enough! It’ll never BE enough!”

15076



Maybe the reason people have hate in their heart, is because they choose to hate?


I believe more of us can and should choose love!

[Hotel]

The back peddling after page 29 of this thread is just spectacular to watch.

The denial dam has busted, and now we get to see a flood of whataboutism, deflection, and vigorous debate about the relative impact of training another guild at a raid encounter.

None of this actually warrants a response, because the defensiveness tells the whole story. Just take responsibility for breaking the rules and move on.

You can't be dead wrong for 29 pages and then expect people to believe you now.

enjoy writing the petition

[Grumph]

The back peddling after page 29 of this thread is just spectacular to watch.

The denial dam has busted, and now we get to see a flood of whataboutism, deflection, and vigorous debate about the relative impact of training another guild at a raid encounter.

None of this actually warrants a response, because the defensiveness tells the whole story. Just take responsibility for breaking the rules and move on.

You can't be dead wrong for 29 pages and then expect people to believe you now.



When someone tells you their plan is to lie. Believe them..


15077

[Samoht]

The back peddling after page 29 of this thread is just spectacular to watch.

The denial dam has busted, and now we get to see a flood of whataboutism, deflection, and vigorous debate about the relative impact of training another guild at a raid encounter.

None of this actually warrants a response, because the defensiveness tells the whole story. Just take responsibility for breaking the rules and move on.

You can't be dead wrong for 29 pages and then expect people to believe you now.

I don't know what's dumber, that you dragged your feet for this long to provide pertinent evidence or that you're gloating about all of the speculation that occurred while you were dragging your feet.

This is why the other guilds make fun of you. It's obvious that you have no idea what's going on. You come in here and type a bunch of words that mean nothing while we basically had to beg for the evidence.

But you're talking to the wrong people if you actually want something out of this situation. You probably knew that, though, which makes you look even dumber.

And I didn't think that was possible.

[xdrcfrx]

I am so smart

lol

[Yinein]

I'm glad I quit raiding long time ago , thank all of y'all for the reminder

[Gatordash]

The back peddling after page 29 of this thread is just spectacular to watch.

The denial dam has busted, and now we get to see a flood of whataboutism, deflection, and vigorous debate about the relative impact of training another guild at a raid encounter.

None of this actually warrants a response, because the defensiveness tells the whole story. Just take responsibility for breaking the rules and move on.

You can't be dead wrong for 29 pages and then expect people to believe you now.

If Vanquish ends up conceding vulaks will Kittens get excluded on the free raid? Riot couldn't possibly do it to you again could they? :confused:

[Samoht]

If Vanquish ends up conceding vulaks will Kittens get excluded on the free raid? Riot couldn't possibly do it to you again could they? :confused:

If Kittens gets left out on bagged Vulak, I'm sure they'll be left out on conceded Vulak.

[Croco]

Vanquish: (after a mistake). our mistake. We Concede.

Response: “That’s not enough! It’s never enough! It’ll never BE enough!”

15076



Maybe the reason people have hate in their heart, is because they choose to hate?


I believe more of us can and should choose love!

If you train a raid and gain 3-4 kills from the train, then you concede mobs you don't normally kill you're still up 3-4 kills. Where's the "punishment"? There is none. Conceding 2x a mob you don't kill is a hollow meaningless gesture.

I told you already what would've been enough. All you would've had to do was stop moving to your next target and come help CR a guild you just wiped in the middle of an engage. If you really wanted to go over and above and show some class then you could've helped kittens complete the kill you just interrupted. It might've cost you a mob or 2 but the amount of goodwill it would've shown can't be measured.

I don't really think anyone in Quish fully understands the impact that train and the subsequent ignoring of kittens officers to try and make it right in the moment had on the current raiding climate of the server. You all single handedly swayed a huge contingent of players in a top raiding guild from being fairly neutral towards AG to incredibly anti-AG to the point where there would be no chance in the future of a kittens/frag alliance of any kind.

Who knows what the raid scene would look like right now if frag leadership had class and integrity instead of extreme pixel sickness. You wanna talk about people with hate in their hearts? Look no further than the guild that was created to "destroy riot".

[Grumph]

If you train a raid and gain 3-4 kills from the train, then you concede mobs you don't normally kill you're still up 3-4 kills. Where's the "punishment"? There is none. Conceding 2x a mob you don't kill is a hollow meaningless gesture.

I told you already what would've been enough. All you would've had to do was stop moving to your next target and come help CR a guild you just wiped in the middle of an engage. If you really wanted to go over and above and show some class then you could've helped kittens complete the kill you just interrupted. It might've cost you a mob or 2 but the amount of goodwill it would've shown can't be measured.

I don't really think anyone in Quish fully understands the impact that train and the subsequent ignoring of kittens officers to try and make it right in the moment had on the current raiding climate of the server. You all single handedly swayed a huge contingent of players in a top raiding guild from being fairly neutral towards AG to incredibly anti-AG to the point where there would be no chance in the future of a kittens/frag alliance of any kind.

Who knows what the raid scene would look like right now if frag leadership had class and integrity instead of extreme pixel sickness. You wanna talk about people with hate in their hearts? Look no further than the guild that was created to "destroy riot".



Having read this twice I honestly feel, in my heart of hearts, that this is real pain you're sharing. And perhaps on that day Kittens was made to feel belittled and/or shoved aside.


In the spirit of love I would like to extend my personal apologies, and to whatever extent that I, as a founding member of AG, may speak as a representative thereof.


Fogive or not is of course yall's choice. But for my sake I can say that no ill will was meant against Kittens on that day from AG for our sights were set on others.


I'll even go so far as to say that, if Kitten's leadership would like to retract from some of the anti-social actions they've engaged in since then (which I can now see perhaps as lashing out due to this on going emotional trauma) then I will be the first and loudest voice to publicly forgive, extend congratulations on their personal growth, and wish them well in future (non-toxic) endeavors.


Seriously. No one likes toxicity. Everyone hates toxicity. This should be a no brainier.

[Boptop]

if competing in gaming isn't how you play, go back to facebook gaming. this server isnt for you

Go poopsock a Master Yael for 3 days.

[Pulgasari]

if competing in gaming isn't how you play, go back to facebook gaming. this server isnt for you

37PllS-NQzc

[k9quaint]

Thread summary:
Vanquish trains Riot and Kittens, then engages in desperate gaslighting on RnF.

Compilation video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBYe5fcPkQ

The compilation shows:
1) Klaz running to riot+kittens raid (0:06)
2) Green & glimmer drakes fully reset in the hall (meaning riot/kittens didn't have aggro) these mobs are later trained onto riot+kittens. (0:51)
3) Reset mobs social aggro with Vulak guards (1:38)
4) The raid being trained as Klaz casts a spell (meaning he stood up, which the video also shows) (1:51)
5) Fresh aggro messages go out in the exact time it takes to cast FD. (2:01)
6) Klaz stands up and guards beeline for him - since he has aggro. (2:21)

This did not happen on green tho.

[Grumph]

Thread summary:
Vanquish trains Riot and Kittens, then engages in desperate gaslighting on RnF.

Compilation video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBYe5fcPkQ

The compilation shows:
1) Klaz running to riot+kittens raid (0:06)
2) Green & glimmer drakes fully reset in the hall (meaning riot/kittens didn't have aggro) these mobs are later trained onto riot+kittens. (0:51)
3) Reset mobs social aggro with Vulak guards (1:38)
4) The raid being trained as Klaz casts a spell (meaning he stood up, which the video also shows) (1:51)
5) Fresh aggro messages go out in the exact time it takes to cast FD. (2:01)
6) Klaz stands up and guards beeline for him - since he has aggro. (2:21)

This did not happen on green tho.

That’s deceptively edited propaganda.

Raw footage is evidence. That ain’t it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jCHRkoMD3EM

[Samoht]

Conceding 2x a mob you don't kill is a hollow meaningless gesture.

I'm not sure who told you that Vanquish does not compete for LTK, but I can guarantee you they were quite mistaken and that Vanquish has competed on almost every LTK on spawn for as long as the guild has been created except for situations where bag limits were in place or situations where Vanquish was actively killing other targets. There are 30 LTK raids logged on the Vanquish DKP site going back to the FRAG alliance.

But expecting Vanquish to give up other targets while you kill LTK is asinine. And it's not like Kittens would have been killing those targets, anyway. Kittens avoids competition because, let's face it, you are incapable of killing targets under pressure.

Then the fact that Riot chose LTK over the targets that Vanquish did kill would once again be Riot's choice. It's not the fault of Vanquish that Riot made a poor decision. And Vanquish is also not at fault if Kittens cannot kill LTK without help.

So cry more about one of the easiest CRs in the game. Cry more about the train where the trainer has already been suspended and the offending guild has already taken their punishment.

You're not getting more than that.

[Samoht]

Compilation video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBYe5fcPkQ

The compilation shows:
1) Klaz running to riot+kittens raid (0:06)
2) Green & glimmer drakes fully reset in the hall (meaning riot/kittens didn't have aggro) these mobs are later trained onto riot+kittens. (0:51)
3) Reset mobs social aggro with Vulak guards (1:38)
4) The raid being trained as Klaz casts a spell (meaning he stood up, which the video also shows) (1:51)
5) Fresh aggro messages go out in the exact time it takes to cast FD. (2:01)
6) Klaz stands up and guards beeline for him - since he has aggro. (2:21)

I'm going to be honest with you: The compilation video is trash, and the person who created it wasted their time. It includes the same angles that have been thoroughly analyzed and tries to present them in a synchronized manner, but fails to include any hard evidence because the source videos contained none.

It doesn't show Klaz standing in camp when the train comes in, and it does not actually show the things you allege that it includes (like #4 & 5 on your list).

There's better video out there, and this entire thread could have been avoided if it had been provided sooner.

[Croco]

Having read this twice I honestly feel, in my heart of hearts, that this is real pain you're sharing. And perhaps on that day Kittens was made to feel belittled and/or shoved aside.


In the spirit of love I would like to extend my personal apologies, and to whatever extent that I, as a founding member of AG, may speak as a representative thereof.


Fogive or not is of course yall's choice. But for my sake I can say that no ill will was meant against Kittens on that day from AG for our sights were set on others.


I'll even go so far as to say that, if Kitten's leadership would like to retract from some of the anti-social actions they've engaged in since then (which I can now see perhaps as lashing out due to this on going emotional trauma) then I will be the first and loudest voice to publicly forgive, extend congratulations on their personal growth, and wish them well in future (non-toxic) endeavors.


Seriously. No one likes toxicity. Everyone hates toxicity. This should be a no brainier.

I can only speak for myself but I appreciate the sentiment and kindness if it's genuine, which it seems to be. Unfortunately it's a bit too little too late at this point. Kittens gets a lot of shit for trying to be the really good guys who get along with everyone, and similarly Riot gets shit for supposedly acting like the benevolent overlords of the server who people say act holier than thou, but Fr/Ag and subsequently Vanq has a pretty big persona as being the hardcore "fuck your feelings, get out of our way and go fuck your mother" guild and if your leadership acted with an ounce of the grace and character from this post you just made it would go a long way towards reducing the temp and toxicity of the server.

I would just ask that you look at that and ask why don't your leaders act more like that. Is it because the guild that came from the Fr/Ag alliance has it's roots in a desire to "destroy" another guild on the server? Do the pixels mean more to them than maintaining a good relationship with other top guilds? Quite honestly you seem out of place in that guild.

[icedwards]

I'm going to be honest with you: The compilation video is trash, and the person who created it wasted their time. It includes the same angles that have been thoroughly analyzed and tries to present them in a synchronized manner, but fails to include any hard evidence because the source videos contained none.

It doesn't show Klaz standing in camp when the train comes in, and it does not actually show the things you allege that it includes (like #4 & 5 on your list).

There's better video out there, and this entire thread could have been avoided if it had been provided sooner.

https://i.imgur.com/IBLyKpX.jpeg

[Samoht]

I would just ask that you look at that and ask why don't your leaders act more like that.

Because it's a farce. Leadership in Kittens and Riot are trying to be master manipulators who trick you into doing whatever the fuck they want. The people who left Riot to form Freedom and everybody who has left Riot since then realizes this. On the flip side, Vanquish does not pretend to be anything it's not. They have straightforward success without having to prove over and over again that we're not a dirty guild, even though all three top guilds are guilty of training or breaking other raiding rules at one point in time or another. Yall just sweep it under the rug or pretend it never happened. That's why Riot refuses to ever concede anything when they get caught in a fuckup. And trust me, they fuck up. A lot. Go back and count concessions, though. Only one guild is owning up to their mistakes. And it's not Kittens or Riot.

[sydbarrett25]

Here is my take on this. Why would you guys go through all of this arguing if there was no fault. Like just drop it, if you all are so confident. Move on

[icedwards]

Vanquish does not pretend to be anything it's not. They have straightforward success without having to prove over and over again that we're not a dirty guild.

Your GM is not happy right now.

After the multi week raid suspension, we were hopeful that folks would cooperate a bit more. Maybe some of those that have been a bit over-immersed would see the clear message sent by server staff to stop wasting everyone's time. Unfortunately, earlier today, someone decided that it would be a good idea to log onto a shared character for the sole purpose of training an opposing raid force. Based on the video shared, this was obviously completely premeditated and intentional.

We figured out who that player was. We reached out just in case they had a weak moment and did a dumb thing. Unfortunately, he denied all allegations, which led to multiple additional hours of staff time digging through logs, only to come to the same conclusion. I don't like being lied to. I don't like having staff time wasted.

Furoar was that player that logged on to the wizard that trained Riot’s raid force. We know this with 100% certainty. We look to Leaders within our community to set an example for how others should behave while playing on P99. As a Guild Leader, Furoar should be a paragon of upstanding behavior. His actions violated the trust that our server staff has put in him. It has also violated the trust of the many upstanding players who are members of Freedom, who are just looking to enjoy the game, and will now have to deal with the consequences of his actions.

Furoar and every account he has used consistently is suspended until January 1st, 2021. This includes bots.

Play the game, stop interfering in other player’s raid forces.

[Croco]

I'm not sure who told you that Vanquish does not compete for LTK, but I can guarantee you they were quite mistaken and that Vanquish has competed on almost every LTK on spawn for as long as the guild has been created except for situations where bag limits were in place or situations where Vanquish was actively killing other targets. There are 30 LTK raids logged on the Vanquish DKP site going back to the FRAG alliance.

But expecting Vanquish to give up other targets while you kill LTK is asinine. And it's not like Kittens would have been killing those targets, anyway. Kittens avoids competition because, let's face it, you are incapable of killing targets under pressure.

Then the fact that Riot chose LTK over the targets that Vanquish did kill would once again be Riot's choice. It's not the fault of Vanquish that Riot made a poor decision. And Vanquish is also not at fault if Kittens cannot kill LTK without help.

So cry more about one of the easiest CRs in the game. Cry more about the train where the trainer has already been suspended and the offending guild has already taken their punishment.

You're not getting more than that.

Back at the time this incident occurred Fr/Ag didn't kill LTK very often. Especially on quakes as you all had much higher priority targets to go after. Your attitude about whether or not to help a guild one of your members just wiped will tell you all you need to know about why tensions are so high all the time. No accountability, no class, highly questionable morals.

It was more important for Fr/Ag to continue on to kill Zlandicar, Klandicar, and eventually Tunare (I forget if there was a 4th target in there as well), than it was to do the right thing and at the very least help CR a guild one of your members just wiped mid kill. You would've lost 1 or 2 targets possibly, during a single cycle. The cost to you would've been almost meaningless and the good will it would've fostered could've literally changed the entire outlook of the server.

Lets play out the scenario of what happens if you all stop and help Kittens CR. So you come and help rez everyone and since you're right there and not in the middle of clearing growth it goes much faster. Lets say you help kill the dragon, maybe not your entire raid force but lets just say 20 people, or something like that. Maybe you miss out on a mob or 2 but now the divide that had started to form between Kittens and AG begins to mend. Maybe a bunch of kittens have their opinions turned around about Freedom being a bunch of assholes. Kittens doesn't petition, Incubo doesn't eat a (2?) week ban, and Fr/Ag doesn't have to concede LTK x2. You all come off looking like fucking kings that just went out of your way to fix something one of your members did. Maybe the Kriot alliance never even happens.

Essentially your leadership chose short term pixel gain over the long term health of guild relations on the server, and this is a choice they make over and over and over and over. Cycle after cycle. To the point where you guys have been trained/impeded during the heat of competition, gone on to secure the kill of the mob, and still petition. It's happened at least a few times, but somehow Kriot are the only guilds that are angling for free mobs via petitions. Your guild wrote the fucking book on burning down guild relations for minor gains and now you're all so shocked at how it's coming back to bite you in the ass.

The truth of the matter is that Quish doesn't want competition. If they did they would act like it and try and foster a positive relationship between the guilds at the top. You were founded with the goal of destroying the top raiding guild and now you're reaping the toxicity that you've sown.

[Grumph]

Kittens gets a lot of shit for trying to be the really good guys who get along with everyone, and similarly Riot gets shit for supposedly acting like the benevolent overlords of the server who people say act holier than thou



Ok, I don’t think an officer led campaign to bully Straiker into deleting his character is “trying to be the real good guys”

Nor is telling everyone “your Dad did a bad job raising you” on Fathers Day.

Nor bragging about an “aggressive political strategy” to manipulate the server into free mobs.



Now, maybe teaming with Riot against Vanquish only to step aside and let Riot have a free Vulak to themselves feels like a ‘good guy’ move to y’all.

Except.

Y’all have announced that your a serious raid guild who deserves to have input on the raid scene.

Passing on a free Vulak without a single complaint to Riot for backstabbing you?

That’s the opposite of skin in the game. And seems disingenuous to me.

[Pulgasari]

Ok, I don’t think an officer led campaign to bully Straiker into deleting his character is “trying to be the real good guys”


https://i.imgur.com/aCtarZB.png

[Samoht]

Back at the time this incident occurred Fr/Ag didn't kill LTK very often. Especially on quakes as you all had much higher priority targets to go after. Your attitude about whether or not to help a guild one of your members just wiped will tell you all you need to know about why tensions are so high all the time. No accountability, no class, highly questionable morals.

It was more important for Fr/Ag to continue on to kill Zlandicar, Klandicar, and eventually Tunare (I forget if there was a 4th target in there as well), than it was to do the right thing and at the very least help CR a guild one of your members just wiped mid kill. You would've lost 1 or 2 targets possibly, during a single cycle. The cost to you would've been almost meaningless and the good will it would've fostered could've literally changed the entire outlook of the server.

Lets play out the scenario of what happens if you all stop and help Kittens CR. So you come and help rez everyone and since you're right there and not in the middle of clearing growth it goes much faster. Lets say you help kill the dragon, maybe not your entire raid force but lets just say 20 people, or something like that. Maybe you miss out on a mob or 2 but now the divide that had started to form between Kittens and AG begins to mend. Maybe a bunch of kittens have their opinions turned around about Freedom being a bunch of assholes. Kittens doesn't petition, Incubo doesn't eat a (2?) week ban, and Fr/Ag doesn't have to concede LTK x2. You all come off looking like fucking kings that just went out of your way to fix something one of your members did. Maybe the Kriot alliance never even happens.

Essentially your leadership chose short term pixel gain over the long term health of guild relations on the server, and this is a choice they make over and over and over and over. Cycle after cycle. To the point where you guys have been trained/impeded during the heat of competition, gone on to secure the kill of the mob, and still petition. It's happened at least a few times, but somehow Kriot are the only guilds that are angling for free mobs via petitions. Your guild wrote the fucking book on burning down guild relations for minor gains and now you're all so shocked at how it's coming back to bite you in the ass.

The truth of the matter is that Quish doesn't want competition. If they did they would act like it and try and foster a positive relationship between the guilds at the top. You were founded with the goal of destroying the top raiding guild and now you're reaping the toxicity that you've sown.

JFC, are you STILL crying about LTK? Should I start crying again about the Lady M that I watched Kittens train or the Vyemm that I watched Kittens stall? And, unlike the LTK encounter, yall never got punished for Lady M or Vyemm because for whatever reason, current server staff has decided that you actually have to kill the target you broke the rules on to get punished for breaking the rules, and YALL CAN'T KILL SHIT.

Who gives a shit about the KRIOT alliance. Riot barely gets any kills any more, either. They wouldn't even be around any more if bag limits were not implemented. But the rest of us are laughing our asses off when Riot leaves Kittens out on things like Statue or Vulak or they choose to kill Tunare with TSS instead.

WHO THE FUCK LET SMELLSLIKE WIN TUNARE LOOT? WHY WASN'T KITTENS THERE TO STOP HIM.

[Croco]

Ok, I don’t think an officer led campaign to bully Straiker into deleting his character is “trying to be the real good guys”

Nor is telling everyone “your Dad did a bad job raising you” on Fathers Day.

Nor bragging about an “aggressive political strategy” to manipulate the server into free mobs.



Now, maybe teaming with Riot against Vanquish only to step aside and let Riot have a free Vulak to themselves feels like a ‘good guy’ move to y’all.

Except.

Y’all have announced that your a serious raid guild who deserves to have input on the raid scene.

Passing on a free Vulak without a single complaint to Riot for backstabbing you?

That’s the opposite of skin in the game. And seems disingenuous to me.

This campaign you speak of is from a single R&F thread. It's not like he was bullied incessantly on discord and in game. He made a bet, maybe he never had any intention of paying up when the results of that bet came calling. If you can't read the tongue in cheek nature of all the posts calling for him to delete his character to hold up his side of the bet I'm not sure what else to tell you.

The father's day thing and the political strategy comment speak to the toxicity Quish was founded on and continues to foster. You can't do and say the things you all do, including creating this thread after training a raid force and winning the vulak in question, and not expect people to have unkind words. Quish is the worst bunch of sore winners and sore losers on the server bar none. You all make inflammatory RnF posts when you lose and when you win. Maybe you all just can't help but talk shit and foster toxicity.

The relationship that Riot has with Kittens is ours alone and if you don't think there was a discussion about the vulak we solo killed without kittens then you're out of your mind. You have this idea that we just decided in the heat of the moment "nah fuck these stupid cats this is OUR vulak!" when that couldn't be further from the truth. Riot and Kitten officers do a lot of work to maintain a good alliance. I can't say what the specific decisions were that lead to Riot going it solo on vulak as I'm not an officer so I'm not privy to those conversations but you can bet your ass 100% I would've heard it from all the friends I still have in Kittens if there was a problem with how that specific kill played out.

Thinking you know the ins and outs of our alliance and insinuating there was some great atrocity committed or that Riot callously backstabbed Kittens by taking a free Vulak solo is the very definition of breeding toxicity by spreading some made up false narrative then continuing to push said narrative post after post after post. Similarly to coming up with a completely made up idea of what one specific characters name may or may not mean even after multiple people tell you exactly what it means and exactly how to pronounce it.

Your incessance with pushing these multiple false narratives reminds me a lot of the ending of The Messenger when Joan of Arc is being questioned about what lead to her leading the French armies and she talks about finding the sword in a field. Maybe a sword in a field is just a sword, not a message from god. You just offered me a seemingly sincere apology and in the very next post your back to spreading toxic false mistruths. Why do you think that is?

[Croco]

JFC, are you STILL crying about LTK? Should I start crying again about the Lady M that I watched Kittens train or the Vyemm that I watched Kittens stall? And, unlike the LTK encounter, yall never got punished for Lady M or Vyemm because for whatever reason, current server staff has decided that you actually have to kill the target you broke the rules on to get punished for breaking the rules, and YALL CAN'T KILL SHIT.

Who gives a shit about the KRIOT alliance. Riot barely gets any kills any more, either. They wouldn't even be around any more if bag limits were not implemented. But the rest of us are laughing our asses off when Riot leaves Kittens out on things like Statue or Vulak or they choose to kill Tunare with TSS instead.

WHO THE FUCK LET SMELLSLIKE WIN TUNARE LOOT? WHY WASN'T KITTENS THERE TO STOP HIM.

You sound pretty immersed dude. You should go outside and get some air I think.

[Samoht]

This campaign you speak of is from a single R&F thread. It's not like he was bullied incessantly on discord and in game. He made a bet, maybe he never had any intention of paying up when the results of that bet came calling. If you can't read the tongue in cheek nature of all the posts calling for him to delete his character to hold up his side of the bet I'm not sure what else to tell you.

The father's day thing and the political strategy comment speak to the toxicity Quish was founded on and continues to foster. You can't do and say the things you all do, including creating this thread after training a raid force and winning the vulak in question, and not expect people to have unkind words. Quish is the worst bunch of sore winners and sore losers on the server bar none. You all make inflammatory RnF posts when you lose and when you win. Maybe you all just can't help but talk shit and foster toxicity.

The relationship that Riot has with Kittens is ours alone and if you don't think there was a discussion about the vulak we solo killed without kittens then you're out of your mind. You have this idea that we just decided in the heat of the moment "nah fuck these stupid cats this is OUR vulak!" when that couldn't be further from the truth. Riot and Kitten officers do a lot of work to maintain a good alliance. I can't say what the specific decisions were that lead to Riot going it solo on vulak as I'm not an officer so I'm not privy to those conversations but you can bet your ass 100% I would've heard it from all the friends I still have in Kittens if there was a problem with how that specific kill played out.

Thinking you know the ins and outs of our alliance and insinuating there was some great atrocity committed or that Riot callously backstabbed Kittens by taking a free Vulak solo is the very definition of breeding toxicity by spreading some made up false narrative then continuing to push said narrative post after post after post. Similarly to coming up with a completely made up idea of what one specific characters name may or may not mean even after multiple people tell you exactly what it means and exactly how to pronounce it.

Your incessance with pushing these multiple false narratives reminds me a lot of the ending of The Messenger when Joan of Arc is being questioned about what lead to her leading the French armies and she talks about finding the sword in a field. Maybe a sword in a field is just a sword, not a message from god. You just offered me a seemingly sincere apology and in the very next post your back to spreading toxic false mistruths. Why do you think that is?

Nah, sounds more like Juicebox's "diplomacy" strategy is working better on you than on us. You are seriously wrapped up in his nonsense despite it not being in the best interest of everybody involved. I'm glad you've come to terms with giving free loot to Riot uncontested, though, because it's definitely going to continue happening.

[titanshub]

Nah, sounds more like Juicebox's "diplomacy" strategy is working better on you than on us. You are seriously wrapped up in his nonsense despite it not being in the best interest of everybody involved. I'm glad you've come to terms with giving free loot to Riot uncontested, though, because it's definitely going to continue happening.

It's Juicy-B now.

[Grumph]

Yeah Croco I offer a sincere apology and your response:

...Unfortunately it's a bit too little too late at this point.


Then you continue to explain, by my reading, that Kitten's and Riot's biggest faults are they're too good natured. ( no judemnet here buddy - that's pretty basic human nature reasoning )

Kittens gets a lot of shit for trying to be the really good guys who get along with everyone, and similarly Riot gets shit for supposedly acting like the benevolent overlords of the server who people say act holier than thou...



And furthermore. As far as anything I may offer forgiveness for... According to you there's nothing to forgive?


This campaign you speak of is from a single R&F thread. It's not like he was bullied incessantly on discord and in game... If you can't read the tongue in cheek nature of all the posts calling for him to delete his character to hold up his side of the bet I'm not sure what else to tell you.

The father's day thing and the political strategy comment speak to the toxicity Quish was founded on and continues to foster.



Dude! I'm doing my best here to lessen toxicity on this server, but someone's gotta meet me half way!

[Kaitainz]

I'm going to be honest with you: The compilation video is trash, and the person who created it wasted their time. It includes the same angles that have been thoroughly analyzed and tries to present them in a synchronized manner, but fails to include any hard evidence because the source videos contained none.

It doesn't show Klaz standing in camp when the train comes in, and it does not actually show the things you allege that it includes (like #4 & 5 on your list).

There's better video out there, and this entire thread could have been avoided if it had been provided sooner.

Are you really this stupid or do you work hard at it? Serious question, since you missed the video showing Klaz standing, then casting FD, then new agro messages go out and kill our members, directly below the pieces together to show everything g at once time synced video. I really wonder if your acting stupid or really are this stupid. I almost feel sorry for your dumb ass.

[k9quaint]

Are you really this stupid or do you work hard at it? Serious question, since you missed the video showing Klaz standing, then casting FD, then new agro messages go out and kill our members, directly below the pieces together to show everything g at once time synced video. I really wonder if your acting stupid or really are this stupid. I almost feel sorry for your dumb ass.

Why can't he be really this stupid and also work hard at it? It would fit the data we have on him from this thread.

[Samoht]

Are you really this stupid or do you work hard at it? Serious question, since you missed the video showing Klaz standing, then casting FD, then new agro messages go out and kill our members, directly below the pieces together to show everything g at once time synced video. I really wonder if your acting stupid or really are this stupid. I almost feel sorry for your dumb ass.

None of that is shown in the compilation video. Everything you claim is 100% made-up nonsense. Klaz is not shown casting FD in this video. Klaz is clearly shown already FD when the train arrives in this video. The compilation video is trash because all of the source videos put into the compilation video are trash. Quit pretending otherwise.

[Kaitainz]

None of that is shown in the compilation video. Everything you claim is 100% made-up nonsense. Klaz is not shown casting FD in this video. Klaz is clearly shown already FD when the train arrives in this video. The compilation video is trash because all of the source videos put into the compilation video are trash. Quit pretending otherwise.

I fc, did I say it was in the compilation video you fucking ignorant bastard or below it. Maybe you are stupid, work hard at being stupid and at the same time can’t critically think or read. Holy shit we have a Moron here folks. Abso-fucking-lately verified by his own accord. Thank you!!

[Samoht]

I fc, did I say it was in the compilation video you fucking ignorant bastard or below it. Maybe you are stupid, work hard at being stupid and at the same time can’t critically think or read. Holy shit we have a Moron here folks. Abso-fucking-lately verified by his own accord. Thank you!!

I did, though, in the post you quoted. Maybe you can't read?

[Kaitainz]

Are you really this stupid or do you work hard at it? Serious question, since you missed the video showing Klaz standing, then casting FD, then new agro messages go out and kill our members, directly below the pieced together to show everything g at once time synced video. I really wonder if your acting stupid or really are this stupid. I almost feel sorry for your dumb ass.

[Samoht]

At this point I'm pretty sure neither one of us knows what you're talking about.

[Kaitainz]

I did, though, in the post you quoted. Maybe you can't read?

Go read the BOLD text above, since you can’t figure it out by yourself.


Here, let me copy and paste the post also, since you aren’t capable of critically thinking on your own.

<@&563415087956623360>

New obs evidence has surfaced for your review of the Klaz train. You've seen two videos already, this third video shows a new perspective. We also did a little work to line up and point out the key moments in the videos you've already seen.

**New Video from MR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YojFVGhSEU&ab_channel=M.R. **

The new video footage shows Klaz FD on the raid (0:04) and new agro messages that go out as he does so (0:05). Voice is calling out the train at the beginning of this video, since Klaz had stood up, and then shows him feigning at 0:04.

This new footage, combined with the videos we've already provided, offer overwhelming evidence that Klaz trained us. Since several videos provide multiple important facts, we lined two of them up so that you all can get the full perspective of what happened.

You can see the key moments from the other two videos in our compilation:

**Compilation Video from Samaranth EQ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBYe5fcPkQ&ab_channel=SamaranthEQ. **

**The compilation shows: **
1) Klaz running to our raid (0:06)
2) Green & glimmer drakes fully reset in the hall (meaning we didn't have agro) these mobs are later trained onto us. (0:51)
3) Reset mobs social agro with Vulak guards (1:38)
4) The raid being trained as Klaz casts a spell (meaning he stood up, which our new video also shows) (1:51)
5) Fresh agro messages go out in the exact time it takes to cast FD. (2:01)
6) Klaz stands up and guards beeline for him - since he has agro. (2:21)

We ask for you to review this evidence. We are seeking the concession of the next 2 Vulaks.

[Kaitainz]

At this point I'm pretty sure neither one of us knows what you're talking about.

I’m finished wasting my breath on an invalid. Go back to your moms basement and eat some cornflakes you ignorant bastard. Case closed, you’re fucked.

[Samoht]

I fc, did I say it was in the compilation video you fucking ignorant bastard or below it. Maybe you are stupid, work hard at being stupid and at the same time can’t critically think or read. Holy shit we have a Moron here folks. Abso-fucking-lately verified by his own accord. Thank you!!

Don't do drugs.

[Boptop]

The weight of the evidence suggests that you all didn't go outside enough today

[tacomagradd]

If this thread wasn't so sad, it would be pretty hilarious at this point.

Straiker was screaming in /ooc like a lunatic betting anyone he could find that he'd delete himself if Trump lost. Welp, he lost his bet and refused to acknowledge it, much less make good on it. Lessons here: Don't make bets you cant cover, and take responsibility for your actions.

Yes, I encouraged certain individuals to act like they had parents who taught them about taking responsibility for their actions. Seems like a reoccurring theme here. Now Vanq/Klaz is determined to avoid responsibility despite basically admitting culpability:


There's better video out there, and this entire thread could have been avoided if it had been provided sooner.

Q3 requires guilds that "violated a rule" to "concede the mob you screwed up on."

Doesn't get more clear than that. There's no exceptions built into that rule. You all can still do the right thing. I'd give you credit for it, and hopefully have cleaner competition and less acrimony in the future.

All of this RNF, including Vanquish's constant posting and posturing, is an attempt to control the narrative and exert power over the server. Its playing politics - something I freely admit to doing, since that is one of the games being played. And what has our politicking achieved? It helped structure a draft 4x a year that spreads the wealth out a little. The draft was born out out of the ongoing toxicity of the raid scene and was only opposed by Vanquish (Ag/F). My view is that power that benefits the many is generally more just than power that benefits the few.

We have a choice about how to use our power. We can try to benefit the server, or we can try to benefit ourselves. You all have a choice to use your power to encourage adherence to the server rules, which are designed to ensure fairness. If you're a big fan of competition, then you should also be a big fan of fairness - because without fairness, the competition is worthless. When you cheat, your wins become worthless and the game becomes trivial - aka - less fun for all.

Your friend,

-Juicy-B

[Samoht]

If this thread wasn't so sad, it would be pretty hilarious at this point.

Straiker was screaming in /ooc like a lunatic betting anyone he could find that he'd delete himself if Trump lost. Welp, he lost his bet and refused to acknowledge it, much less make good on it. Lessons here: Don't make bets you cant cover, and take responsibility for your actions.

Yes, I encouraged certain individuals to act like they had parents who taught them about taking responsibility for their actions. Seems like a reoccurring theme here. Now Vanq/Klaz is determined to avoid responsibility despite basically admitting culpability:



Q3 requires guilds that "violated a rule" to "concede the mob you screwed up on."

Doesn't get more clear than that. There's no exceptions built into that rule. You all can still do the right thing. I'd give you credit for it, and hopefully have cleaner competition and less acrimony in the future.

All of this RNF, including Vanquish's constant posting and posturing, is an attempt to control the narrative and exert power over the server. Its playing politics - something I freely admit to doing, since that is one of the games being played. And what has our politicking achieved? It helped structure a draft 4x a year that spreads the wealth out a little. The draft was born out out of the ongoing toxicity of the raid scene and was only opposed by Vanquish (Ag/F). My view is that power that benefits the many is generally more just than power that benefits the few.

We have a choice about how to use our power. We can try to benefit the server, or we can try to benefit ourselves. You all have a choice to use your power to encourage adherence to the server rules, which are designed to ensure fairness. If you're a big fan of competition, then you should also be a big fan of fairness - because without fairness, the competition is worthless. When you cheat, your wins become worthless and the game becomes trivial - aka - less fun for all.

Your friend,

-Juicy-B

Where's the Kittens concession for their train at Lady M? Where's the Kittens concessions for stalling Vyemm? Quit with the holier-than-thou sanctimonious bullshit. You're slimier than anybody in Vanquish because they don't pretend to be anything they're not.

[Pulgasari]

Dude! I'm doing my best here to lessen toxicity on this server, but someone's gotta meet me half way!

No truce with the Shadow.

[Kaitainz]

Where's the Kittens concession for their train at Lady M? Where's the Kittens concessions for stalling Vyemm? Quit with the holier-than-thou sanctimonious bullshit. You're slimier than anybody in Vanquish because they don't pretend to be anything they're not.

Duly noted, Vanquish is better because they act like a piece of shit while being a piece of shit. Understood now, appreciate your clarification, lol.

[Samoht]

Duly noted, Vanquish is better because they act like a piece of shit while being a piece of shit. Understood now, appreciate your clarification, lol.

Would you rather be a hate-filled loser who can't kill raid mobs in a 20 year old elf-sim? No, wait, you've pretty much already answered that.

[Kaitainz]

Would you rather be a hate-filled loser who can't kill raid mobs in a 20 year old elf-sim? No, wait, you've pretty much already answered that.

You’re the one with almost 1k posts, I am still an orc, lol. Hey kettle, I am sure you know you’re friend the pot. Enjoy!

Btw, this is fun watching you do mental gymnastics with the IQ of a doorknob. I am laying down listening to JE Marriot music on the TV, about to go eat some wagyu beef, while your moms heating up your frozen hot pocket for dinner poops, time to go, have a great night.

[Kaitainz]

You’re the one with almost 1k posts, I am still an orc, lol. Hey kettle, I am sure you know you’re friend the pot. Enjoy!

Btw, this is fun watching you do mental gymnastics with the IQ of a doorknob. I am laying down listening to JE Marriot music on the TV, about to go eat some wagyu beef, while your moms heating up your frozen hot pocket for dinner poops, time to go, have a great night.

Oh shit, make that 2k… wow, talk about immersion!!

[Samoht]

You’re the one with almost 1k posts, I am still an orc, lol. Hey kettle, I am sure you know you’re friend the pot. Enjoy!

Btw, this is fun watching you do mental gymnastics with the IQ of a doorknob. I am laying down listening to JE Marriot music on the TV, about to go eat some wagyu beef, while your moms heating up your frozen hot pocket for dinner poops, time to go, have a great night.

Man, you guys are good at making shit up.

[Grumph]

Interesting strategy here. Start off with victim blaming:

Straiker was screaming in /ooc like a lunatic betting anyone he could find that he'd delete himself if Trump lost. Welp, he lost his bet and refused to acknowledge it, much less make good on it. Lessons here: Don't make bets you cant cover, and take responsibility for your actions.


Yes. I see it now. You chase people around and try to bully them on the internet. For their own good! Wow! Don't know how I missed that?



Then the irony here.

Yes, I encouraged certain individuals to act like they had parents who taught them about taking responsibility for their actions.


You told people their Dad messed up raising them. On Father's Day. And that's ok because they need to learn personal responsibility.



But of course all this pales in comparsion to the massive injustice being perpetrated on you as we speak!

All of this RNF, including Vanquish's constant posting and posturing, is an attempt to control the narrative and exert power over the server.

You see? Jutebox is actually the victim in all of this. Anything he says that may sound rude or mean or manipulative can be easily blamed on other people.

(and those same people who need to learn from Jutebox about personal responsibility!)


Well maybe we can learn from Jutebox:

Its playing politics - something I freely admit to doing, since that is one of the games being played. And what has our politicking achieved? It helped structure a draft 4x a year that spreads the wealth out a little.


You see. He's happy to take responsibility for instituting a draft. And brag about how he used 'playing politics' to achieve it (also known as lies and subterfuge).

Who could ask for a better role model than that?




We have a choice about how to use our power. We can try to benefit the server, or we can try to benefit ourselves.

Its so clear now! Give all the power and control to Jutebox because we can trust him even though so far he's used his platform to:

-try and bully someone off the server

-promote to the UN an officer with the handle 'Ngar'

-brag about all of his 'playing politics'

-blanket disparage everyone's Dad (whether alive, dead, present, or absent). On Father's Day.

-double down with victim blaming, and

-somehow try to play the victim card for himself.

[Pulgasari]

Well maybe we can learn from Jutebox:

-try and bully someone off the server

-promote to the UN an officer with the handle 'Ngar'

-brag about all of his 'playing politics'

-somehow try to play the victim card for himself.

I think you did learn!

[tacomagradd]

I think you did learn!

LOL, he didn't learn, he's the master!

Grumph, you've started 15 RNF threads. I don't think those were designed to "end toxicity." One asked if I was a bigger bully than Chrissy Teigan. And several others featured your disdain for Kittens, or Riot, or even CSR when they made you follow rules on Tunare.

In your finest moment, you even went through my post history and "bullied" me for doing things like... playing Baulders Gate 3...? OK that one was a little weird.

If you want to talk about "chasing people around and try to bully them on the internet" you should seriously take a long hard look at yourself bud.

By contrast I've started a single RNF post that you are obsessed with. I guess I really made a splash.

I am sorry that you let Freedom take full ownership of AG. I have some good friends in AG. But it was your choice to bow down to Furoar and let him rule you. As a student of history, it isn't a move I would have recommended. Sadly, when you did that, you basically burned any credibility you may have otherwise had.

Anyway, I suppose you'd say anything to distract from the actual topic of this thread.

Your friend,

Juicy-B

[k9quaint]

LOL, he didn't learn, he's the master!

Grumph, you've started 15 RNF threads. I don't think those were designed to "end toxicity." One asked if I was a bigger bully than Chrissy Teigan. And several others featured your disdain for Kittens, or Riot, or even CSR when they made you follow rules on Tunare.

In your finest moment, you even went through my post history and "bullied" me for doing things like... playing Baulders Gate 3...? OK that one was a little weird.

If you want to talk about "chasing people around and try to bully them on the internet" you should seriously take a long hard look at yourself bud.

By contrast I've started a single RNF post that you are obsessed with. I guess I really made a splash.

I am sorry that you let Freedom take full ownership of AG. I have some good friends in AG. But it was your choice to bow down to Furoar and let him rule you. As a student of history, it isn't a move I would have recommended. Sadly, when you did that, you basically burned any credibility you may have otherwise had.

Anyway, I suppose you'd say anything to distract from the actual topic of this thread.

Your friend,

Juicy-B

Yeah, there is a serious self-loathing vibe coming off Grumph.
Probably a lot of Stockholm Syndrome going on there as well.

[zati]

Almost at 40 pages guys. Keep it going. Don't let the flame die out. If you know anyone that has toxic waste to dump out feel free to direct them here.

[Grumph]

…One asked if I was a bigger bully than Chrissy Teigan.
…
In your finest moment, you even went through my post history and "bullied" me…

If you want to talk about "chasing people around and try to bully them on the internet" you should seriously take a long hard look at yourself bud.


While I thank you for following my writing and being a fan.

There are a few things I’d like to clarify.

1) While Chrissy Teagan has tried to bully people into suicide. Yes, that’s worse than bullying someone over politics to delete a character. She’s also apologized. 10 minutes ago you doubled down on this Straiker guy. So have your other members.

2). I think you should stop that kind of thing. I guess you feel bullied? But to be perfectly clear: I bear no I’ll will towards you personally Jutebox. My hope is that you can lead a happy and fulfilling life. My only criticism is with some of your behaviors, statements, and leadership decisions.

3). I will admit I was wrong to vring up BG3. I don’t remember the comment, but I can see how it could’ve been a low blow. I played Bg I and ii myself lol.

4). If your seriously interested in reducing toxicity, as I am, I believe that we may be in the perfect position for a total diplomatic reboot! Having read through my posts I’m sure you noticed the Oath Against Toxicity and Mind Reading that I proposed. I would like to invite you to publcily make the same solemn vow that I have. Pledging your sacred honor, alongside mine.

[xdrcfrx]

While I thank you for following my writing and being a fan.

There are a few things I’d like to clarify.

1) While Chrissy Teagan has tried to bully people into suicide. Yes, that’s worse than bullying someone over politics to delete a character. She’s also apologized. 10 minutes ago you doubled down on this Straiker guy. So have your other members.

2). I think you should stop that kind of thing. I guess you feel bullied? But to be perfectly clear: I bear no I’ll will towards you personally Jutebox. My hope is that you can lead a happy and fulfilling life. My only criticism is with some of your behaviors, statements, and leadership decisions.

3). I will admit I was wrong to vring up BG3. I don’t remember the comment, but I can see how it could’ve been a low blow. I played Bg I and ii myself lol.

4). If your seriously interested in reducing toxicity, as I am, I believe that we may be in the perfect position for a total diplomatic reboot! Having read through my posts I’m sure you noticed the Oath Against Toxicity and Mind Reading that I proposed. I would like to invite you to publcily make the same solemn vow that I have. Pledging your sacred honor, alongside mine.

straiker, honor your bet. time to delete.

[Pulgasari]

straiker, honor your bet. time to delete.

[Croco]

If you run into an asshole in the morning you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day you're the asshole. @grumph @samoht

[Samoht]

If you run into an asshole in the morning you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day you're the asshole. @grumph @samoht

How does it feel to obsess so much over me that you're making up little quotes to send me in the middle of the night?

[Wokka]

You’re the one with almost 1k posts, I am still an orc, lol. Hey kettle, I am sure you know you’re friend the pot. Enjoy!

Btw, this is fun watching you do mental gymnastics with the IQ of a doorknob. I am laying down listening to JE Marriot music on the TV, about to go eat some wagyu beef, while your moms heating up your frozen hot pocket for dinner poops, time to go, have a great night.

/cringe, anyone who boasts about their life while simultaneously haunting and trying to insult others on a forum for a 20+ year old game is sad. Really, really sad. The salt is real.

[Croco]

How does it feel to obsess so much over me that you're making up little quotes to send me in the middle of the night?

I didn't make up the quote but I appreciate that you think I'm a good enough writer that it could've been a Croco original.

[Horza]

Straiker, a man's word is his bond.

[Viscere]

I want to highlight the fact that I invented the word "Criot"

Yw

[sydbarrett25]

Interesting strategy here. Start off with victim blaming:




Yes. I see it now. You chase people around and try to bully them on the internet. For their own good! Wow! Don't know how I missed that?



Then the irony here.




You told people their Dad messed up raising them. On Father's Day. And that's ok because they need to learn personal responsibility.



But of course all this pales in comparsion to the massive injustice being perpetrated on you as we speak!



You see? Jutebox is actually the victim in all of this. Anything he says that may sound rude or mean or manipulative can be easily blamed on other people.

(and those same people who need to learn from Jutebox about personal responsibility!)


Well maybe we can learn from Jutebox:



You see. He's happy to take responsibility for instituting a draft. And brag about how he used 'playing politics' to achieve it (also known as lies and subterfuge).

Who could ask for a better role model than that?





Its so clear now! Give all the power and control to Jutebox because we can trust him even though so far he's used his platform to:

-try and bully someone off the server

-promote to the UN an officer with the handle 'Ngar'

-brag about all of his 'playing politics'

-blanket disparage everyone's Dad (whether alive, dead, present, or absent). On Father's Day.

-double down with victim blaming, and

-somehow try to play the victim card for himself.

You know we have the screen shots about the straiker event. It was all of straiker’s own doing. He flipped at an angry goblin roll if I am not mistaken. You can make the false narrative but we all have the truth

[Grumph]

You know we have the screen shots about the straiker event. It was all of straiker’s own doing. He flipped at an angry goblin roll if I am not mistaken. You can make the false narrative but we all have the truth


Y’all are right to continue the internet hate mob - because he brought it on himself!

And anyone who questions this continued and ongoing behavior is probably a jerk and the real bully.


You guys made a choice that day. It didn’t feel like a big deal at the time I’m sure. Just a funny joke everyone can agree on. And now a year later. There’s still no end in sight?

15085

Let me be clear. Forgiveness is available!

I’ll happily forgive all of y’all - just as soon as you stop and apologize.

[xdrcfrx]

I’ll happily forgive all of y’all - just as soon as you stop and apologize.

First things's first though: Straiker should honor his bet and delete. Time to pay up.

[Nutsax]

First things's first though: Straiker should honor his bet and delete. Time to pay up.

Thread de-railed, nothin to see here.

[Grumph]

Thread de-railed, nothin to see here.

Totally derailed.

The gaslighting guild who calls me a bully for pointing out their ongoing coordinated internet hate mob.

Also tries to say “y’all should just concede! Admit your mistakes and we can move on!”

…based on this heavily edited video ‘evidence’

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBYe5fcPkQ


Yeah. <Kittens Who Say Ngar> is a true bastion of public good will and honesty!

They’ve shown how easy it is for them to apologize for blatantly anti-social behaviors, statements, and leadership decisions.

That’s why anytime you call them on their fouls - they claim they’re a victim, victim blame anyone they may have offended, and then call you an a$$.

No way they’re playing ‘political games’. Just LOOK at this EVIDENCe!

[xdrcfrx]

Totally derailed.

The gaslighting guild who calls me a bully for pointing out their ongoing coordinated internet hate mob.

Also tries to say “y’all should just concede! Admit your mistakes and we can move on!”

…based on this heavily edited video ‘evidence’

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBYe5fcPkQ


Yeah. <Kittens Who Say Ngar> is a true bastion of public good will and honesty!

They’ve shown how easy it is for them to apologize for blatantly anti-social behaviors, statements, and leadership decisions.

That’s why anytime you call them on their fouls - they claim they’re a victim, victim blame anyone they may have offended, and then call you an a$$.

No way they’re playing ‘political games’. Just LOOK at this EVIDENCe!

No one takes you seriously because you still have not deleted, Straiker. Time to pay up.

[karadin]

Delete Straiker 2021.

[condap99]

If this thread wasn't so sad, it would be pretty hilarious at this point.

Straiker was screaming in /ooc like a lunatic betting anyone he could find that he'd delete himself if Trump lost. Welp, he lost his bet and refused to acknowledge it, much less make good on it. Lessons here: Don't make bets you cant cover, and take responsibility for your actions.

Yes, I encouraged certain individuals to act like they had parents who taught them about taking responsibility for their actions. Seems like a reoccurring theme here. Now Vanq/Klaz is determined to avoid responsibility despite basically admitting culpability:



Q3 requires guilds that "violated a rule" to "concede the mob you screwed up on."

Doesn't get more clear than that. There's no exceptions built into that rule. You all can still do the right thing. I'd give you credit for it, and hopefully have cleaner competition and less acrimony in the future.

All of this RNF, including Vanquish's constant posting and posturing, is an attempt to control the narrative and exert power over the server. Its playing politics - something I freely admit to doing, since that is one of the games being played. And what has our politicking achieved? It helped structure a draft 4x a year that spreads the wealth out a little. The draft was born out out of the ongoing toxicity of the raid scene and was only opposed by Vanquish (Ag/F). My view is that power that benefits the many is generally more just than power that benefits the few.

We have a choice about how to use our power. We can try to benefit the server, or we can try to benefit ourselves. You all have a choice to use your power to encourage adherence to the server rules, which are designed to ensure fairness. If you're a big fan of competition, then you should also be a big fan of fairness - because without fairness, the competition is worthless. When you cheat, your wins become worthless and the game becomes trivial - aka - less fun for all.

Your friend,

-Juicy-B

27 minutes you shitter

take the L

[Pulgasari]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15085&thumb=1&d=1624623475

Let me be clear. Forgiveness is available!


Good pic

[deezy]

Detoxx still delivering pizzas for a living?

Who?

[Horza]

Delete Straiker 2021.

[doeda]

9 years later, I come to look at RnF and it hasn't gone stale.

Touche P1999

[remen]

I want to highlight the fact that I invented the word "Criot"

Yw

This is true, and quite fortuitous. As they have now teamed up with Kittens to become "Kriot"

[k9quaint]

Delete Straiker 2021.

GMs need to enforce this player agreement.

[RevSaber]

Woah, he never deleted straiker? I remember that from like years ago now...

[Arvan]

Straiker, a man's word is his bond.

a vanquish member who lacks honor - dime a dozen ?

[Toxigen]

https://i.imgur.com/p2ZLUqL.gif

[Grumph]

GMs need to enforce this player agreement.



Has anyone ever considered giving GM's... respect?

Instead of the steady stream of bitching and moaning?

I'd even argue that it could be the start of major personal and character growth for a lot of you. By showing respect you tend to start to feel something... its called empathy.



Next thing you know, you're able to acknowledge that GM's or Devs are only human.

And maybe you disagree with a decision, but such is life!

What's more - you begin to acknowledge that there may be considerations for these people that you're not even aware of!

You start to feel better. Less mad about things you can't change (other peoples minds). The peace of acceptance starts to set in.

And the final straw: you begin to actually feel respect, along with something...else.

Because you can't respect authority without humility.



"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"

[Grumph]

a vanquish member who lacks honor - dime a dozen ?

If you care about honor.

Take the Oath.

[RevSaber]

Has anyone ever considered giving GM's... respect?

Instead of the steady stream of bitching and moaning?

I'd even argue that it could be the start of major personal and character growth for a lot of you. By showing respect you tend to start to feel something... its called empathy.



Next thing you know, you're able to acknowledge that GM's or Devs are only human.

And maybe you disagree with a decision, but such is life!

What's more - you begin to acknowledge that there may be considerations for these people that you're not even aware of!

You start to feel better. Less mad about things you can't change (other peoples minds). The peace of acceptance starts to set in.

And the final straw: you begin to actually feel respect, along with something...else.

Because you can't respect authority without humility.



"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"

Id respect the gms more if they made you uphold your end of the bargain.... And a lot more so if they were the only thing between me and upholding a player agreement ;)

[Grumph]

Id respect the gms more if they made you uphold your end of the bargain.... And a lot more so if they were the only thing between me and upholding a player agreement ;)



“My respect has to be earned!”


…says the guy who publicly announces his piss fetish, when he’s not incestantly trying to grief someone else off the server because ‘reasons’

[k9quaint]

Id respect the gms more if they made you uphold your end of the bargain.... And a lot more so if they were the only thing between me and upholding a player agreement ;)

I little more effort spent on the PnP violations might help as well, or maybe they want Blue to turn into Red so they don't have to worry about it anymore.

Hard to say.

All I know is Straiker has no honor and player agreements hold no water. :(

Free Sirken? I guess?

[Horza]

Has anyone ever considered giving GM's... respect?

Instead of the steady stream of bitching and moaning?

I'd even argue that it could be the start of major personal and character growth for a lot of you. By showing respect you tend to start to feel something... its called empathy.



Next thing you know, you're able to acknowledge that GM's or Devs are only human.

And maybe you disagree with a decision, but such is life!

What's more - you begin to acknowledge that there may be considerations for these people that you're not even aware of!

You start to feel better. Less mad about things you can't change (other peoples minds). The peace of acceptance starts to set in.

And the final straw: you begin to actually feel respect, along with something...else.

Because you can't respect authority without humility.



"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"

Has anyone ever told you that you're retarded?

[Arvan]

If you care about honor.

Take the Oath.

I would like straiker to take the oath first by honoring his bet!

[Gatordash]

Lol 10 pages.

[Grumph]

I would like straiker to take the oath first by honoring his bet!


"Keep fighting with bitterness in you heart long enough.

And eventually.

You become what you hated in the first place."

[Pulgasari]

"Keep fighting with bitterness in you heart long enough.

And eventually.

You become what you hated in the first place."

https://i.imgur.com/aJhmbHr.jpg