Internal Consistency

[Grumph]

With his recent contribution to the raid petitions channel, I believe Jutebox has finally outdone himself.

A fair expectation for good faith accusations is: prosecutions must be internally consistent.

To present otherwise smacks immediately of dishonesty.

Simply put: You can't charge someone with Man-Slaughter at the same time as Murder. Take a moment to think through this. I know, the underlying concept takes some effort to unfold. OK, ready? Murder requires intent. If you also bring a charge of Man-Slaughter you're now forcing double-jeopardy. And providing a bald-faced breach of the reasonable-doubt standard. If prosecution is themselves unsure of intent - why would they bring the charge in the first place? Justice is not wrought by throwing shizzle on the wall and hoping something sticks. We all know this in our heart: "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime!" is a turn of phrase because its appalling to any standard of human decency.


Now I'm sure you're wondering. Has Jutebox presented contradictory accusations?


When approached about the train, Vanquish leadership refused to discuss the matter, and insisted that all parties should play on.


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Jutebox accuses Vanquish of refusing to discuss or concede in the moment based on evidence provided at the time that showed...


All the videos you guys posted show a train coming in and killing a bunch of your members first, an assist on the train being on a member of your raid, and a person in your voice chat saying that you guys should have cycled camp and that some people didn't.


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But this statement by a member of Vanquish can't be credible can it? It wouldn't be possible for Jutebox himself in his own petition to confirm this exact timeline would it?


We then posted additional footage (video 3) that clearly shows Klaz FDing his train onto our raid.
...
While all videos contribute to our described fact pattern, the third video is the smoking gun. It provides the exact evidence that many Vanquish asked for...


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I believe a plain-text reading of this petition unequivocally presents contradictory accusations.

Are there other contradictions? I leave that as an exercise to the reader. But having established a clear lack of internal consistency in Jutebox' petition I would like to go a step further and ask: is there an alternative premise by which Jutebox maintains personal consistency?


Its playing politics - something I freely admit to doing


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I don't think it takes a stretch of the imagination to understand what 'playing politics' means. What is real-politique if not deception? What clear-headed citizen would refute that politicians are liars on the whole? And political games? Manipulation.



I have, and I'm basically alone in this, proposed a Public Oath Against Toxicity and Mind Reading.

And let me be clear. What I am aiming to demonstrate are straight line conclusions drawn from public statements made by Jutebox. There's no need to interpret some sort of 'dog-whistle.'

Read his words. Not his mind.

When someone tells you their plan is to lie.

Believe them...

[Bardp1999]

https://i.imgur.com/zTXUjQR.gif

[Arvan]

OP posts about jutebox multiple times a day... wellness check required?

[Boptop]

This is a remix of an EverQuest case brief. Very very boring and not clever. The Supreme Elven Court sentences the OP to 10 hours outside, to not pass go, and to not collect $200.

[Kaitainz]

Does OP get to go outside from mama’s basement for good behavior? Holy hell dude, I am actually starting to worry that your more then an autist that can’t let go of a video game. The pools getting deep, 1-800-helpnow, please call it and get the needed assistance. This is sad if I wasn’t actually worried about OP’s health and wellness.

[nostalgiaquest]

Try eating things like yogurt with granola if you're looking for internal consistency.

[RevSaber]

Did you delete straiker yet?

[Skarne]

I can’t tell if these petitions are complaints or manifestos

[Grumph]

Try eating things like yogurt with granola if you're looking for internal consistency.

Ok Boomer.

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[Boptop]

You fall squarely in the fruit group.

[cannobeers3]

I hope they are not still teaching that graphic to children, but then again, we can have a chat about the US public education system...

[myrddraal]

Vanquish provided zero evidence to support the need for a concession in the moment and went radio silent when asked for it, where Kittens and Riot provided plenty. Vanquish also engaged less than 10 minutes after where there was a near full wipe on klazdaxthum’s train. Apples and oranges but nice spin.

[Pulgasari]

https://i.imgur.com/72AGhp2.gif

[Samoht]

Vanquish provided zero evidence to support the need for a concession in the moment and went radio silent when asked for it

If you are upset that Vulak should not have been conceded, then please take it up with your leadership. The concession didn't come until Vulak was at less than 5% on a Vanquish engage, though, so the concession seems superficial at best, anyway.

where Kittens and Riot provided plenty.

Exactly zero evidence was provided until 4 days after the event. The first half dozen or so videos showed ambiguous fault and assist on Riot members.

Vanquish also engaged less than 10 minutes after where there was a near full wipe on klazdaxthum’s train. Apples and oranges but nice spin.

The two scenarios probably look very similar to anybody without a biased point of view. KRIOT accuses Vanquish of training them on Vanquish engage. Vanquish accuses KRIOT of training them on KRIOT engage. The differences were in the skill level of handling the train and the recovery. Vanquish members immediately camped when told to do so. KRIOT members are audibly told to camp in their videos and did not. KRIOT had a chance after their train to engage and failed. The biggest difference is that Vanquish did not fail on their attempt after the KRIOT train.

[xdrcfrx]

If you are upset that Vulak should not have been conceded, then please take it up with your leadership. The concession didn't come until Vulak was at less than 5% on a Vanquish engage, though, so the concession seems superficial at best, anyway.



Exactly zero evidence was provided until 4 days after the event. The first half dozen or so videos showed ambiguous fault and assist on Riot members.



The two scenarios probably look very similar to anybody without a biased point of view. KRIOT accuses Vanquish of training them on Vanquish engage. Vanquish accuses KRIOT of training them on KRIOT engage. The differences were in the skill level of handling the train and the recovery. Vanquish members immediately camped when told to do so. KRIOT members are audibly told to camp in their videos and did not. KRIOT had a chance after their train to engage and failed. The biggest difference is that Vanquish did not fail on their attempt after the KRIOT train.

Reading the things you write is like listening to Baghdad Bob talk about how the city would never fall. You are living in a false reality. Seek help.

[condap99]

Reading the things you write is like listening to Baghdad Bob talk about how the city would never fall. You are living in a false reality. Seek help.

Oh? Is there a difference between 10 people dying and 25 people dying? Is there a difference when one guild responds as if play on the field matters and mitigates the risk versus the other looking for the opportunity to flop on the field and pray the ref sees it?

The circumstances were the same.

How the guilds responded shows the exact differences in guild culture, and how they view winning.

It's no coincidence that KRIOT is losing every competitive Vulak. Neither are applicant numbers.

[xdrcfrx]

Oh? Is there a difference between 10 people dying and 25 people dying? Is there a difference when one guild responds as if play on the field matters and mitigates the risk versus the other looking for the opportunity to flop on the field and pray the ref sees it?

The circumstances were the same.

How the guilds responded shows the exact differences in guild culture, and how they view winning.

It's no coincidence that KRIOT is losing every competitive Vulak. Neither are applicant numbers.

the only flopping on the field was Klaz, who flopped a bunch of flurry drakes on us.

The difference between 25 and 10 is 15. Sorry you don't math, hope this helps.

[Samoht]

Reading the things you write is like listening to Baghdad Bob talk about how the city would never fall. You are living in a false reality. Seek help.

YOU'RE GASLIGHTING ME. REEEEEE.

[xdrcfrx]

REEEEEE.

[Cecily]

REEEEEE.

[Boptop]

mhm.

[Bardp1999]

So has there been a staff ruling yet over this 10 page elf allegation?

If not I implore the staff to ban both entities so this is not the new normal. If Green gets dumped back into the toxic avenger's nest... I cant do that again... please

[k9quaint]

So has there been a staff ruling yet over this 10 page elf allegation?


There are no staff rulings on Blue.
The GMs are all busy beta testing the Taupe server rule set.

[Chakfor]

Stuff


You really need help. Please see a mental health professional.

[myrddraal]

If you are upset that Vulak should not have been conceded, then please take it up with your leadership. The concession didn't come until Vulak was at less than 5% on a Vanquish engage, though, so the concession seems superficial at best, anyway.



Exactly zero evidence was provided until 4 days after the event. The first half dozen or so videos showed ambiguous fault and assist on Riot members.



The two scenarios probably look very similar to anybody without a biased point of view. KRIOT accuses Vanquish of training them on Vanquish engage. Vanquish accuses KRIOT of training them on KRIOT engage. The differences were in the skill level of handling the train and the recovery. Vanquish members immediately camped when told to do so. KRIOT members are audibly told to camp in their videos and did not. KRIOT had a chance after their train to engage and failed. The biggest difference is that Vanquish did not fail on their attempt after the KRIOT train.

Klaxdaxthum trained Vulak's guards and everything at the bottom of the ramp that sociald with it when he stood from FD. Vanquish may or may not have agroed the mobs that were on their camp during Kitten and Riot engage, but for the sake of the potential it was us who agroed the mobs first, we put out a concession before the mob died because Vanquish has petitioned us on mobs they've killed before just on the off chance. If evidence shows it was a cry wolf on the train and it was Vanquish members who agroed those mobs, it would be a punishment to Vanq, not Kittens and Riot.

[Arvan]

So has there been a staff ruling yet over this 10 page elf allegation?

If not I implore the staff to ban both entities so this is not the new normal. If Green gets dumped back into the toxic avenger's nest... I cant do that again... please

You think the gms respond to blue petitions anymore? Oh you sweet summer child

[Samoht]

it would be a punishment to Vanq, not Kittens and Riot.

Punishment for what, exactly? Killing the mob after you fucked up? I don't understand why everything deserves a goddamned punishment in the eyes of KRIOT.

[Croco]

Punishment for what, exactly? Killing the mob after you fucked up? I don't understand why everything deserves a goddamned punishment in the eyes of KRIOT.

For crying wolf. Both in game and in the UN. I don't think you're smart enough to be engaging in these conversations. I'm sure you're a fine person irl but you don't have the mental capacity to keep up when the adults are speaking. Both you and Grumph need to seek professional help.

[Swish]

when the adults are speaking

I don't see any on either side.

[Samoht]

For crying wolf. Both in game and in the UN. I don't think you're smart enough to be engaging in these conversations. I'm sure you're a fine person irl but you don't have the mental capacity to keep up when the adults are speaking. Both you and Grumph need to seek professional help.

So, KRIOT gets to cheat with impunity? Again? All the KT stalls, the Dain lull pull, the Vyemm stall, the train at Lady M, now the train at Vulak, and you want no punishment for KRIOT, but Vanquish deserves punishment for pointing it out?

Your double standard is showing.

There needs to be a punishment for crying wolf when you were actually at fault and already conceded on the mob but you're still pushing the issue.

[Snaggles]

Lock up the Rocky Road and tissues, someone is sob-singing pop song lyrics back at Youtube. Tough life being a superfan :(

[Croco]

So, KRIOT gets to cheat with impunity? Again? All the KT stalls, the Dain lull pull, the Vyemm stall, the train at Lady M, now the train at Vulak, and you want no punishment for KRIOT, but Vanquish deserves punishment for pointing it out?

Your double standard is showing.

There needs to be a punishment for crying wolf when you were actually at fault and already conceded on the mob but you're still pushing the issue.

I don't know how many times you need to be told this but I'll undertake it for the millionth time just so you can lie again in a later post. Ok lets jump right into it!

1) KT was not a stall or a kite. KT was "moving away from camp" (your leaders words not mine) for "about one DA". This has been proven. I know you'll just lie about it again though.

2) Lull pulling is not against the rules currently. Say it with me again. Lull. Pulling. Is. Not. Against. The. Rules. If you feel that it is I urge you to show me where in the server rules it says using lull is not allowed. Please show me. You can't because such a rule does not exist.

3) The "train at lady M" was a respawn that you all couldn't control and brought into our camp at the PoM cubby getting one of our LD (q'd out) necro's ae'd in the process, and eventually getting your kiter summoned and killed. You all picked up the failed kittens engage of Lady M voluntarily and everything that happened after you did was your own fault. Had you controlled the mob that spawned on your camp instead of letting it run around and ae us nowhere near it's spawn point your kiter would've likely lived.

4) I assume you're talking about the 4 way train that came back to trips. That we have assists on a vanquish member, and after which you FTE'd and killed vulak no less than 7 minutes after this supposed train. Not to mention maybe you all shouldn't run up to vulak on our FTE. Ever notice how when it's a quish FTE on vulak kriot immediately backs off, usually to doubles, and none of us go anywhere near 4way, your trains, or vulak bridge? Yet nearly every time we get vulak FTE your whole fucking raid runs all the way to at least 4 way and sometimes up to vulak cubbies? But FTE's are sacred right, at least that's what your leader thinks. Apparently not sacred enough for you all to leave us the fuck alone when we have one.

There is no argument you've ever made in good faith, no history you don't rewrite every time you post, and no lie you don't repeat endlessly even after it's been debunked in a hundred other posts with evidence that you always lack. Trying to debate you is like trying to reason with a flat earther. You don't value truth or logic so it's impossible to have a logical or truthful conversation with you or Grumph. But by all means post the same lies again. You can't help yourself.

[Grumph]

There is no argument you've ever made in good faith, no history you don't rewrite every time you post, and no lie you don't repeat endlessly even after it's been debunked in a hundred other posts with evidence that you always lack. Trying to debate you is like trying to reason with a flat earther. You don't value truth or logic so it's impossible to have a logical or truthful conversation with you...



I can see now why so many speakers for <Riot> and <Kittens Who Say Ngar> think that lies, manipulation, and political games are justified.

If you truly believe your opponents are all of these things… it does make logical sense to respond in the ways we’ve seen.

Repay evil for evil? I believe there is a better way. Philosophies differ.


Maybe we should all get together at one of Norrath’s many available establishments, get in voice, hang out, and have a couple drinks. Do you know how much bad blood that was spilled on a Rugby pitch, was washed away later that day at the pub?

There are even layers of respect that only an opponent can offer you. They get to whiteness first hand what you do on the field where many of your own team mates can only watch from the sidelines.

Then we may begin to find common ground. And. Perhaps someday we’ll all be able to agree on at least one thing:

A Solemn Public Oath Against Toxicity and Mind Reading

[xdrcfrx]

I can see now why so many speakers for <Riot> and <Kittens Who Say Ngar> think that lies, manipulation, and political games are justified.

If you truly believe your opponents are all of these things… it does make logical sense to respond in the ways we’ve seen.

Repay evil for evil? I believe there is a better way. Philosophies differ.


Maybe we should all get together at one of Norrath’s many available establishments, get in voice, hang out, and have a couple drinks. Do you know how much bad blood that was spilled on a Rugby pitch, was washed away later that day at the pub?

There are even layers of respect that only an opponent can offer you. They get to whiteness first hand what you do on the field where many of your own team mates can only watch from the sidelines.

Then we may begin to find common ground. And. Perhaps someday we’ll all be able to agree on at least one thing:

A Solemn Public Oath Against Toxicity and Mind Reading

honor your bet straiker. time to delete.

[Samoht]

1) KT was not a stall or a kite. KT was "moving away from camp" (your leaders words not mine) for "about one DA". This has been proven. I know you'll just lie about it again though.

A DA is 3 ticks, which can be up to 24 seconds. That is the absolute max. Anything longer is a stall. You cannot rewrite it to say "for about one DA" and mean 25+ seconds. Still a stall.

2) Lull pulling is not against the rules

Yes it is.

You all picked up the failed kittens engage of Lady M

Come on, you're halfway there to admitting the truth... Trained by Kittens... Come on, say it...

4) I assume you're talking about the 4 way train that came back to trips. That we have assists on a vanquish member, and after which you FTE'd and killed vulak no less than 7 minutes after this supposed train. Not to mention maybe you all shouldn't run up to vulak on our FTE. Ever notice how when it's a quish FTE on vulak kriot immediately backs off, usually to doubles, and none of us go anywhere near 4way, your trains, or vulak bridge? Yet nearly every time we get vulak FTE your whole fucking raid runs all the way to at least 4 way and sometimes up to vulak cubbies? But FTE's are sacred right, at least that's what your leader thinks. Apparently not sacred enough for you all to leave us the fuck alone when we have one.

No need to circumcise the mosquito on this one. Your guild has already admitted fault. If you disagree with that, please take it up with your leadership.

I love how you don't even address the Vyemm stall. Is that one too provable for you to try to gaslight us on?

[k9quaint]

Watching the Vanquish white nights slobber all over these threads, desperate to sway public opinion is quite the sight.

The GMs don't care about public opinion, so you can take it down a notch.
There are no rules anymore, so why are you nerds worried about anything?

[xdrcfrx]

Come on, you're halfway there to admitting the truth... Trained by Kittens... Come on, say it...

...

I love how you don't even address the Vyemm stall. Is that one too provable for you to try to gaslight us on?

your leadership dropped kittens from that M petition, you should get on the same page with them.

your leadership did petition that vyemm, and the GM's did nothing because it was a laughable attempt to wring free mobs out of us in bad faith.

you are living in a false reality. it's not too late. seek help.

[Samoht]

your leadership did petition that vyemm, and the GM's did nothing because it was a laughable attempt to wring free mobs out of us in bad faith.

You want to talk about false reality... Here is the quote from Galach:

2:17 PM] Galach: In the future, @@Riot please stop COTH and disengage if it's a wipe. The extra couple COTH's didn't change the result as Vanquish still picked it up and killed Vyemm. Due to this, we will not be punishing Riot.

So he says you did wrong, but you're not being punished because you suck. It doesn't mean you didn't try to cheat.

your leadership dropped kittens from that M petition, you should get on the same page with them.

Kittens was dropped from the Lady M petition for the same reason. It is our experience so far that if you cheat and lose, the current server staff will not punish the offending parties.

I'm sorry you suck :(

[xdrcfrx]

what about all those times you did a bad that was so bad we didn't actually complain about it or the gm's said it wasn't bad?

"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument"

[Samoht]

Haha, you know you got them in a corner when they change the subject.

The pattern of behavior is established that Riot and Kittens will cheat to win, and their petitions and behavior in the UN is proof of their hypocrisy.

When called out on this, they flounder and gaslight.

The answer from Vanquish is the same as it always was: play on.

Quit crying and play the fucking game.

[Samoht]

"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument"

prec·e·dent
noun
noun: precedent; plural noun: precedents
/ˈpresəd(ə)nt/

an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.
"there are substantial precedents for Kittens and Riot training"

[xdrcfrx]

prec·e·dent
noun
noun: precedent; plural noun: precedents
/ˈpresəd(ə)nt/

an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.
"there are substantial precedents for Kittens and Riot training"

lol the precedent of you losing both those petitions? ok.

seek help my dude, it's not too late (j/k, I can tell that it is).

[Samoht]

lol the precedent of you losing both those petitions? ok.

seek help my dude, it's not too late (j/k, I can tell that it is).

We got the loot, I think it's clear who the losers are. That's why Galach doesn't punish you. I know the server staff feels sorry for you for not being able to compete. That's why they've implemented bag limits, drafts, and ring roll.

At least you can win ring roll!

[myrddraal]

prec·e·dent
noun
noun: precedent; plural noun: precedents
/ˈpresəd(ə)nt/

an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.
"there are substantial precedents for Kittens and Riot training"

and rewards for training kittens and riot apparently.

[xdrcfrx]

We got the loot, I think it's clear who the losers are. That's why Galach doesn't punish you. I know the server staff feels sorry for you for not being able to compete. That's why they've implemented bag limits, drafts, and ring roll.

At least you can win ring roll!

Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments, some but not all of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue.

[Samoht]

and rewards for training kittens and riot apparently.

Looks like a joke intentionally taken out of context to me.

In clinical psychology, a “victim complex” or “victim mentality” describes a personality trait of persons who believe they are constantly the victims of the harmful actions of others, even when made aware of evidence to the contrary.

[Samoht]

Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments, some but not all of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue.

Are you grasping for straws or grasping for air? Do we really need to go back over this thread and point out every post where you or another cry baby results to ad hominem attacks?

[myrddraal]

Looks like a joke intentionally taken out of context to me.

In clinical psychology, a “victim complex” or “victim mentality” describes a personality trait of persons who believe they are constantly the victims of the harmful actions of others, even when made aware of evidence to the contrary.

idk, GMs ask why we cant get along and things like that get thrown around, editing petitons after theyre due, makes you wonder.

[Samoht]

idk, GMs ask why we cant get along and things like that get thrown around, editing petitons after theyre due, makes you wonder.

We can't get along because the loot in Everquest is bottle necked. One faction cannot keep up, so they lean on technicalities and loopholes while the other faction is out securing wins.

Which faction would you rather be a part of?

[myrddraal]

We can't get along because the loot in Everquest is bottle necked. One faction cannot keep up, so they lean on technicalities and loopholes while the other faction is out securing wins.

Which faction would you rather be a part of?

the one that isnt purposefully training people on many occasions. Furoar, Rosaylne or whatever that chanters name is that was on Dagarn ledge, Klaz, there was like 3 hours of trains on eashen on christmas iirc and even one post kill. I'd kind of rather kill myself than be in Vanquish or associate with many of their folks.

[Croco]

the same tired lies with no proof

/yawn

[xdrcfrx]

Are you grasping for straws or grasping for air? Do we really need to go back over this thread and point out every post where you or another cry baby results to ad hominem attacks?

Present them.

[Samoht]

the one that isnt purposefully training people on many occasions.
Rosaylne or whatever that chanters name is that was on Dagarn ledge


You're being intentionally disingenuous. Why can't trains ever be an accident?

[Boptop]

Is that one too provable for you to try to gaslight us on?

Ree.

[Samoht]

Present them.

Look at the post right above yours.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3328580&postcount=51

Your compatriot intentionally misquotes me and directly insults me.

This wasn't an issue when you thought you had the moral high ground. The Kriotbaby members were happy to sling mud and hurl insults with every post.

Is the moral high ground slipping? Are you realizing that guild your a part of is not as sanctified as you once believed?

[xdrcfrx]

Look at the post right above yours.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3328580&postcount=51

Your compatriot intentionally misquotes me and directly insults me.

This wasn't an issue when you thought you had the moral high ground. The Kriotbaby members were happy to sling mud and hurl insults with every post.

Is the moral high ground slipping? Are you realizing that guild your a part of is not as sanctified as you once believed?

lol "/yawn" is an ad hominem attack to you, but we're the crybabies?

yikes dude. seek help.

[Samoht]

lol "/yawn" is an ad hominem attack to you, but we're the crybabies?

yikes dude. seek help.

Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments, some but not all of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue.

hyp·o·crite
/ˈhipəˌkrit/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: hypocrite; plural noun: hypocrites

a person who indulges in hypocrisy.
"the story tells of saint xdrcfrx who turns out to be a cheat and a hypocrite"

[xdrcfrx]

hyp·o·crite
/ˈhipəˌkrit/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: hypocrite; plural noun: hypocrites

a person who indulges in hypocrisy.
"the story tells of saint xdrcfrx who turns out to be a cheat and a hypocrite"

/yawn

[Horza]

You're being intentionally disingenuous. Why can't trains ever be an accident?

Did your guild leader accidentally log on another guild's bot before training them?

[Samoht]

Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments, some but not all of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue.

[Samoht]

Did your guild leader accidentally log on another guild's bot before training them?

IDK, maybe change your passwords?

[Horza]

It's a tough time of year.

[xdrcfrx]

IDK, maybe change your passwords?

Victim blaming occurs when the victim of a crime or any wrongful act is held entirely or partially at fault for the harm that befell them.[1] The study of victimology seeks to mitigate the prejudice against victims, and the perception that victims are in any way responsible for the actions of offenders.

lmao you're super bad at this. probably should let others pick it up at this point.

[Samoht]

lmao you're super bad at this. probably should let others pick it up at this point.

Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments, some but not all of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue.

Note: At least there's consistency in your stupidity.

[xdrcfrx]

Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments, some but not all of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue.

Note: At least there's consistency in your stupidity.

/yawn

[myrddraal]

Did your guild leader accidentally log on another guild's bot before training them?

They took several attempts to try and fail on said bot. At least Vanquish is getting more efficient at their trains, Klazdaxthum only took one attempt to wipe out most of Kitens and Riot's raid force. Must go back to that DKP incentive shown in Vanquish's own fraps. But then again they also take people like Kabull who tell people to kill themselves for bidding against them, so maybe being a gigantic piece of shit is just a prerequisite for being a Vanquish member.

[Samoht]

They took several attempts to try and fail on said bot. At least Vanquish is getting more efficient at their trains, Klazdaxthum only took one attempt to wipe out most of Kitens and Riot's raid force. Must go back to that DKP incentive shown in Vanquish's own fraps. But then again they also take people like Kabull who tell people to kill themselves for bidding against them, so maybe being a gigantic piece of shit is just a prerequisite for being a Vanquish member.

Just as much as being a warm body who is bad at the game is a requirement for being a KRIOTbaby member.

[Grumph]

I’m old enough to remember when lots of AG people left for Riot.

Such a long time ago - I know!

Aaaaaaannnndddd. Maybe this was heresay - but - there were credible testimonies at the time of AG bots being pilfered. Presumably by these newly welcomed members of Riot.

That said - never fear good chaps! I am here once again to offer my unequivocal forgiveness to Riot et al for the above described misdeeds and lapses in character judgement decency.

[Thaak]

I love pseudo-legal ramblings by people who have no fucking idea how any legal system actually works.

[Boptop]

I'm a litigator irl. The fact is that the law varies by jurisdiction so it's really kind of a moot point anyway.

[Grumph]

I love pseudo-legal ramblings by people who have no fucking idea how any legal system actually works.


I like how you used the F-bomb to accentuate your supreme legal expertise.

Please, Dear Proffesor, enlighten us with all the gritty details of how 'legal systems actually work.'

Impart upon us some of your vast knowledge You Honor!

[RevSaber]

Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments, some but not all of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue.

Note: At least there's consistency in your stupidity.

Haha. No, you Cheeto loving racist!