This community has sucked the joy out of EQ

[bomaroast]

There are only a handful of acceptable places to level, otherwise you have to bring your own group or get comfortable soloing. The raiding scene is an incredible waste of man-hours, and is wretchedly boring because all guilds are zerg-guilds and all content is known. Big mobs were being slaughtered all across velious within hours of release. That shouldn't really be possible, except for the fact that all guilds are zerg-guilds.

I went to check on the beads camp, and the list was 25 people long. Just looking around, it appeared that maybe 6 of those people were active. Everyone else was alt-tabbed out.

The guild I was in was doing plate house, and the officers decided that they were going to let the dwarf get away in order to shut down any other guild from immediately starting after we left. Intentionally screwing over other Everquesters because of.. I dont know even know.. something about competition, I guess?

There used to be some pleasure in just enjoying the game, but that's mostly gone. It's just a grab for pixels.

I've been on P99 since 2009, but it's finally time.

I will absolutely let the door hit me on the way out, fuck you too.

[LHK]

You're not wrong, but it sounds like your priorities / goals align with what everyone else is doing, which of course is going to put you in close proximity to everyone else and some % of those people will be jerks. Complaining about a list camp functioning in the way it is and raid content being the way it is a few days after velious release is just a strange take. Of course the most hardcore of hardcore people are going to be after that content as soon as its released, and hardcore people on P99 suck.

I'm mostly a duo player now, i was in a guild for a while but it just wasn't for me. We spend our time doing what we find fun, after loot we find interesting, leveling up in weird out of the way places. Sometimes we'll come across other poeple doing the same and we'll group with them. The game is still amazing / magical if you let it be. Sounds like you're pigeonholing yourself into a very narrow scope of play and then complaining that it sucks. Norrath is huge and everquest is a wonderfully deep game. If you're not having fun with it anymore, that's understandable, but it's not a problem of the servers population, its a problem of your own expectations IMO.

[Woodrow]

It sounds like you're a hardcore player complaining that being a hardcore player sucks... Play a different way, or different game, or go outside, all good options.

[bomaroast]

Nah, the P99 was great years ago. The competition wasn't inherently toxic, and there were groups to be had everywhere. It's the community and the fairly new min-max obsession that sucks.

[Jibartik]

There are only a handful of acceptable places to level, otherwise you have to bring your own group or get comfortable soloing. The raiding scene is an incredible waste of man-hours, and is wretchedly boring because all guilds are zerg-guilds and all content is known. Big mobs were being slaughtered all across velious within hours of release. That shouldn't really be possible, except for the fact that all guilds are zerg-guilds.

I went to check on the beads camp, and the list was 25 people long. Just looking around, it appeared that maybe 6 of those people were active. Everyone else was alt-tabbed out.

The guild I was in was doing plate house, and the officers decided that they were going to let the dwarf get away in order to shut down any other guild from immediately starting after we left. Intentionally screwing over other Everquesters because of.. I dont know even know.. something about competition, I guess?

There used to be some pleasure in just enjoying the game, but that's mostly gone. It's just a grab for pixels.

I've been on P99 since 2009, but it's finally time.

I will absolutely let the door hit me on the way out, fuck you too.

OP your targets here are above what a mortal norrathian should be interested in.

If you hunt bears and scarab rings like me its a blast 8)

You are a farmer, like I, spend time in the karanas and that's what the joy in EQ is all about. :cool:

[Seducio]

100% accurate.

It's an epiphany most playing long enough will come to.

Game is still fun, but masochistic elements within the game deter anyone who values their sanity.

Sadly some never learn. Be glad you see things clearly now.

The way it is still fun for those past this point is to do it only on your terms.

When you really take stock you will realize how to maximize your fun rather than torpedo your time.

Good luck.

[cd288]

Nah, the P99 was great years ago. The competition wasn't inherently toxic, and there were groups to be had everywhere. It's the community and the fairly new min-max obsession that sucks.

Really? There were groups to be had everyone when the population was like 200 people back in the day?

[Old_PVP]

OP your targets here are above what a mortal norrathian should be interested in.

If you hunt bears and scarab rings like me its a blast 8)

You are a farmer, like I, spend time in the karanas and that's what the joy in EQ is all about. :cool:

Seriously. Settle down OP. Go enjoy the journey that is EQ. Fuck's sake, maybe consider RED?

[Darkwoo]

Remember when the server first launched there were so many people that a Green and Teal server were needed? We are only a couple days into Velious and over 90% of the population has left.

1) The zerg raid scene is pathetic. Everquest is best when each person has to play their class to the maximum of their ability to succeed. The greatest memories and friendships are formed when you rally and win an extremely challenging encounter because everyone did their part.

2) The same ~50 players get EVERYTHING first. The same people that have AoNs were likely first to get their Trak bp, VP robes, epics (and their alts' epics), titles from BoTB, etc. Mostly in ST but there are also a few Kingdom and FoW players in this category.

3) GM favoritism is rampant. Why do you think raid targets spawned during work on Fridays (and even on Mondays)? Hint: A few people in ST couldn't play on Saturdays. I wish I was lying. This favoritism carries over to other aspects such as reimbursement requests and petition response times.

I know there are a lot of competent people that have literally given their lives for this project, however, the population (or lack thereof) suggests that it failed. My brother, sister, and I joined P99 because we wanted to experience end game content that we couldn't 20 years ago, but we left because this server (notice how I don't call it a world) is a disaster.

[Nervaaz]

Totally go do something else. Sounds like a description of total burnout to me. I just started on P99 a short while ago, and it's a great community of gamers. Maybe the best I've ever played with.

But the endgame environment of any MMO I've ever played can become hardcore and nasty. That is where you find the A-type personalities playing a damn game. They min/max, they do shitty things, they get greedy, they blame others for their unhappiness, and that is where you find the perfectionists. It has been the same with any MMO I've ever played. And you either just deal with it, or you quit. The worst thing you should do is waste your time coming on a forum to whine about it to everyone else. It is not going to change, so either man up and deal with it, or leave and find something else to do with your time.

[Darkwoo]

And you either just deal with it, or you quit. The worst thing you should do is waste your time coming on a forum to whine about it to everyone else. It is not going to change, so either man up and deal with it, or leave and find something else to do with your time.

And this close-minded attitude is exactly why the greatest mmo of all time failed on Blue, Red, and Green.

[Morratiz]

You went to beads camp on day 1

[Tethler]

This goes for every player in every game: If it's not fun anymore, find something else to enjoy.

Sometimes you just need a break, and sometimes you just move on. There's nothing wrong with it, either way. However it works out for you OP, best of luck.

[cd288]

And this close-minded attitude is exactly why the greatest mmo of all time failed on Blue, Red, and Green.

Hardly. I’m loving playing on P99

[fastboy21]

I've been on P99 since 2009, but it's finally time.

I will absolutely let the door hit me on the way out, fuck you too.

Why would you let a door hit your ass? It is gonna hurt...just dodge that shit.

Seriously though, your post is an accurate description of classic EverQuest...not green, blue, red, some TLP...you're literally complaining about "features" of real and true classic EQ. It was objectively WAY worse back on blue in 2010ish --- which you played through and enjoyed apparently.

Is it possible that what has changed is you and not EQ? Green doesn't seem any different than what has happened in the past or what will happen in the future. Leaving because your personal tastes and preferences in gaming/leisure have changed is perfectly legit imo.

Good luck in your next game.

[cd288]

Why would you let a door hit your ass? It is gonna hurt...just dodge that shit.

Seriously though, your post is an accurate description of classic EverQuest...not green, blue, red, some TLP...you're literally complaining about "features" of real and true classic EQ. It was objectively WAY worse back on blue in 2010ish --- which you played through and enjoyed apparently.

Is it possible that what has changed is you and not EQ? Green doesn't seem any different than what has happened in the past or what will happen in the future. Leaving because your personal tastes and preferences in gaming/leisure have changed is perfectly legit imo.

Good luck in your next game.

Yeah I mean I started playing on Blue in 2018 and even then the big ticket items were always almost perma camped by lines of players (or certain groups of players). And that's after Blue had been in Kunark and Velious for years.

Initially back on live certain items weren't perma camped simply because of the lack of knowledge. It took awhile for that stuff to percolate online. That's basically the only difference between live and P99 in that regard, that the long lists of people and/or certain major items being perma camped happens immediately because everyone knows about them, as opposed to happening months down the line.

[Lightbringer55]

I definitely relate to the OP. I know many do. To think that in 2 days Vulak went down on green is crazy. I mean on one hand that's amazing feat by ST! On the other hand, it shows how much prior knowledge there is and how trivialized the content has become with it. I've loved spending time in Kunark duoing camps in HS, Seb etc, pushing my own limits soloing, etc. However, Velious doesn't leave a lot open as far as I can tell for that sort of play style. The raiding/gearing/progression that made Velious special in the original expansion to get to the NTOV/ST stuff was the whole experience, which is unfortunately no longer possible and content will be locked down indefinitely now. I play mostly for nostalgia and the experience, but if I wanted to play to experience content I missed out on originally, other than joining one of like 2 guilds on green and having to play very aggressively (which I just don't have room in my life for), I don't have much hope of experiencing that raid content. Maybe some of the bigger guilds will look to bring back some open raids for those that want to experience the encounters but don't care about loot? Looking to blue, I still don't understand how to this day people are still heavily competing for raid mobs, but everyone plays this for different reasons!

[Darkwoo]

Why does everything need to be zerged? Can someone please answer this question?

Instead, what if there was a maximum player count per guild? Raid targets could be on a UN rotation where each small/medium sized guild has to kill their weekly designated targets within 24 hours of spawning or else they are penalized. This would allow for challenging encounters and also give more people a chance to get loot. Players are immersed when their involvement actually matters.

I doubt that OP would be so upset if he had a guild that needed him in order to succeed. In the game's current state, no one gives a shit who shows up to raids. It's actually better that people don't show up because it increases your odds of getting loot.

People want open raids because they'll actually have a chance of getting loot -- not because they're more fun.

If your goal is to ''restore the magic and difficulty of the original Everquest game, including mechanics, interface, etc'' you failed miserably on so many different levels.

[Jibartik]

/guidlwar

[Flexin]

Remember when the server first launched there were so many people that a Green and Teal server were needed? We are only a couple days into Velious and over 90% of the population has left.

1) The zerg raid scene is pathetic. Everquest is best when each person has to play their class to the maximum of their ability to succeed. The greatest memories and friendships are formed when you rally and win an extremely challenging encounter because everyone did their part.

2) The same ~50 players get EVERYTHING first. The same people that have AoNs were likely first to get their Trak bp, VP robes, epics (and their alts' epics), titles from BoTB, etc. Mostly in ST but there are also a few Kingdom and FoW players in this category.

3) GM favoritism is rampant. Why do you think raid targets spawned during work on Fridays (and even on Mondays)? Hint: A few people in ST couldn't play on Saturdays. I wish I was lying. This favoritism carries over to other aspects such as reimbursement requests and petition response times.

I know there are a lot of competent people that have literally given their lives for this project, however, the population (or lack thereof) suggests that it failed. My brother, sister, and I joined P99 because we wanted to experience end game content that we couldn't 20 years ago, but we left because this server (notice how I don't call it a world) is a disaster.

Too bad ST's loot system doesn't work that way. How are you this mad and this wrong at the same time?

[Shourty]

I still like eq most of the time. I take breaks of a week or two but come back and have fun again. I deleted a 40 necro after transferring all their "stuff" to another necro startup character. At lvl 40 I did it again cuz leezerds is best.
Do something different, or not.
I made a new leezerd sk a few weeks ago. Kind of makes the game somewhat new to do that.
I purchased a recurve bow and some arrows and get my Ranger on at the range. Love the sound of the bow stretching, releasing and the arrow twaking into the target.

[zanderklocke]

This guy has been creating these types posts for over 10 years. That sort of makes me sad.

https://i.imgur.com/b7Cy4gp.jpg

[Darlore]

Come try red. Different problems, but a lot more fun to have.

Someone camping the mobs you want to camp? Cool. Kill 'em or be killed. Find a few pals and get deep into some out-of-the-way zone for some xp? Great--plus some nice xp boost on Red. All around great time.

[Widem]

I just started P99 4 months ago after not playing since 2001, hit 60 like a week ago.

I was incredibly disappointed in the Raid Scene.

The rules are designed to bottleneck competition through some incredibly bizarre features such as racing.

In the end, it promotes play styles which for lack of a better term are subpar and lazy. It promotes quantity over quality, which is why I think someone pointed out how it seems the meta is Zerg to the top, which is just incredibly boring tbh.

[Lightbringer55]

Back on live there were always 1 or 2 large, raid-heavy guilds, but there were usually also several guilds with reduced numbers that were skilled enough to still take on raid targets. People on p99 talk about 'skill' and 'hard work' but I fail to see how those exist when 75 players go and kill Gorenaire.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Back on live there were always 1 or 2 large, raid-heavy guilds, but there were usually also several guilds with reduced numbers that were skilled enough to still take on raid targets. People on p99 talk about 'skill' and 'hard work' but I fail to see how those exist when 75 players go and kill Gorenaire.

Well, back on Live, there were continued expansions with bleeding edge content that the large hard-core raid guilds would move on to, freeing up older raid content for smaller, more casual guilds. If Trakanon was monopolized consistently by the uber guilds, you could at least tell yourselves that you could eventually have a shot at that content and the rewards thereof while the big boys were focusing on flagging in Planes of Power.

Here, capped at Velious, there's nowhere for them to move on to. At least on an Earthquake, unless the competitive guilds hypocritically agreed to rotate VP and NTOV so they could go after other targets first, the top 2 guilds should be tied up with First Brood dragons to key up for ST, then NTOV, and VP to concern themselves with other 7-day targets. Well, and Trak, to prevent a 3rd guild from establishing a foothold in VP.

[strongNpretty]

No matter where you go, or what game you play, there were always be a handful of folks who take things too far. In everything in life there are these groups of people.. They will always exist, they will always have more than you.. Maybe more time, maybe more money, maybe more resources.. Nothing u can do.. Stay in your own lane man

[fastboy21]

This guy has been creating these types posts for over 10 years. That sort of makes me sad.

https://i.imgur.com/b7Cy4gp.jpg

Yikes!

:eek::eek::eek:

[cd288]

I just started P99 4 months ago after not playing since 2001, hit 60 like a week ago.

I was incredibly disappointed in the Raid Scene.

The rules are designed to bottleneck competition through some incredibly bizarre features such as racing.

In the end, it promotes play styles which for lack of a better term are subpar and lazy. It promotes quantity over quality, which is why I think someone pointed out how it seems the meta is Zerg to the top, which is just incredibly boring tbh.

Raiding has always been relatively boring in EQ, even back on live with much smaller zergs. Brad himself stated that he thinks Complete Heal was the worst spell ever put in the game as it basically turned raid encounters into tank and spank while Clerics cast complete heal chains.

So if you're not the tank, a Cleric, or leet DPS raid class then your contribution to the raid isn't something that's very engaging (e.g., Mages summon mod rods, Druids buff and spot heal randomly, etc.).

I don't really raid beyond minor attendance here and there just to see some zones that I haven't seen in awhile, but IMO I'd rather be part of a huge zerg that clears everything quickly than sit on a raid for hours as a random class barely doing anything while the tank, clerics, and primary DPS clear everything and you just follow the raid around...so boring.

[Delekhan]

The main difference in P99 is that you have to race and FTE immediately which requires more coordination and planning because you don't have time to clear first. That makes the encounters far more challenging.

Infinite accounts are also a major difference. If you don't/won't play a holy trinity class, then yes you will have to deal with a very specific role in Velious and you may find that boring.

[starkind]

Personally I blame boxing and automation and the fact that everyone plays this game thusly:

Solo ench/dru/shm/ncr

Buys a fungi, lammy, wurmmy, or rogue epic, proceeds to buy pl or solo with either in game currency or IOUs on discord then poopsocks DKP for Vulak loot rights from the 3 server kingpins who both bot and box.

No one slaps a combine sword over there shoulder with a mix of random banded, rawhide and spelunks upper guk or high-pass orcs because those dungeons are on permafarm by mage boxes for plat. Or idols and no mobs are ever up unless ur running Fraps and have spies in their voice chat recording to catch them cheating.

EQ didn't survive 2019-21 and the bitcoin era. R I p.

A lot of potentially instanced and partner related fun to still be had on live tho.

P.s. yall r really antisocial n greedy. Impatient. Entitled. Uncreative. And boring.

[cd288]

Personally I blame boxing and automation and the fact that everyone plays this game thusly:

Solo ench/dru/shm/ncr

Buys a fungi, lammy, wurmmy, or rogue epic, proceeds to buy pl or solo with either in game currency or IOUs on discord then poopsocks DKP for Vulak loot rights from the 3 server kingpins who both bot and box.

No one slaps a combine sword over there shoulder with a mix of random banded, rawhide and spelunks upper guk or high-pass orcs because those dungeons are on permafarm by mage boxes for plat. Or idols and no mobs are ever up unless ur running Fraps and have spies in their voice chat recording to catch them cheating.

EQ didn't survive 2019-21 and the bitcoin era. R I p.

A lot of potentially instanced and partner related fun to still be had on live tho.

P.s. yall r really antisocial n greedy. Impatient. Entitled. Uncreative. And boring.

Go play somewhere else then. Or maybe staff will toss you a vacation for relentlessly bashing the server like they did with RecondoJoe.

[cd288]

(assuming that's what he got banned for, Idk for sure)

[Bardp1999]

I have the screenshot buried away somewhere, anyhow it's of 450+ people in Feerot waiting for CT to pop when he had sub 30 minutes left in window. Funny thing is the Blue server has slid so far that that's more than the total population most days.

P99 was great until they split the population - both are basically low pop solo/duo servers now - it's all very sad to me. I'm not even sure merging Blue/Green is going to end up helping but I guess we will see.

[Nexii]

This is why on live they had to increase group exp bonuses

[strongNpretty]

You guys put an insane amount of thought into what should be a very joyful nostalgic experience... Quit making this experience more complicated than it needs to be. Login, enjoy your time, log off.. And dont forget the ENJOY YOUR TIME part..

[cd288]

I have the screenshot buried away somewhere, anyhow it's of 450+ people in Feerot waiting for CT to pop when he had sub 30 minutes left in window. Funny thing is the Blue server has slid so far that that's more than the total population most days.

P99 was great until they split the population - both are basically low pop solo/duo servers now - it's all very sad to me. I'm not even sure merging Blue/Green is going to end up helping but I guess we will see.

I mean I loved Blue and still log in on it occasionally, but they really needed a fresh server. Blue's economy is so ridiculous at this point making it easy to twink every alt to the gills with minimal plat. Not really a real EQ experience.

[starkind]

Go play somewhere else then. Or maybe staff will toss you a vacation for relentlessly bashing the server like they did with RecondoJoe.
The servers, code and staff are great. 10x better than anywhere else in the CSR department. I don't expect them to relentlessly stalk and chase botters. They are doing enough. And p99 is fun for a bit of nostalgia. The museum is pretty good.

What is terrible are the people who abuse the project and staff by taking advantage of their limited time relentlessly cheating, botting, boxing, and elflawyering. Those are the players with zero respect for the staff or game.

It would be prudent, and I recommend that the FTE rules go away and the pnp only be enforced for griefing, trains, zone disruption and harassment. No UN or player agreements are enforced by the staff. And DPS wins loot rights.

As far as playing here? I still have my accounts, but I'm peacefully retired to live with my merc and WoW Sylvanus lore speculation.

I played here heavily from 2010-2017 on red and blue. I've nothing to prove to myself or others. I beat the game in 2003 as well. It's nice to kill a few gnolls in blackburrow occasionally, from time to time. And servers are still mostly ok for that.

I really hope this helps, a lot.

Shalom.

[xdrcfrx]

it might be fun to see how people manipulate DPS races to try and secure victory, but ultimately that sounds like a trash way to raid which would be unfun for everyone.

[Baler]

The P99 community is what keeps us coming back though.

It's that itch you will never scratch, We are here. Always. Here.

[starkind]

it might be fun to see how people manipulate DPS races to try and secure victory, but ultimately that sounds like a trash way to raid which would be unfun for everyone.

There would still be intra guild politics and allegiances, deals, etc. For example main guild A offers dkp and partial rolls or priority to alts for guild b for assisting on kills, learning strats is ez for newbies, and everyone can participate.

It would just reduce the number of petitions for the staff.

[Jayzeus]

It would just reduce the number of petitions for the staff.

Where have I heard that before

[Ratchet51]

Too bad ST's loot system doesn't work that way. How are you this mad and this wrong at the same time?

I'm someone with many friends in ST, and I can confirm that they simply cannot muster up a suitable raid force on Saturdays and that is the reason why the GMs have stuck to releasing content on Fridays throughout the Green server. It would be nice for there to be some dragons alive on a Saturday so everyone else could finally get a shot.

[cd288]

I'm someone with many friends in ST, and I can confirm that they simply cannot muster up a suitable raid force on Saturdays and that is the reason why the GMs have stuck to releasing content on Fridays throughout the Green server. It would be nice for there to be some dragons alive on a Saturday so everyone else could finally get a shot.

“Hey everyone I swear I heard this from someone who knows someone who knows this is true”

Sure buddy whatever you say lol

[Bardp1999]

it might be fun to see how people manipulate DPS races to try and secure victory, but ultimately that sounds like a trash way to raid which would be unfun for everyone.

So letting Detoxx fully gear his level 46 alt army is more fun for the server?

[Tewaz]

People play this game expecting the rewards of a modern MMO with instancing.

We're all stuck in one of three instances. They are all dominated by a guild for the most part.

If you want to get raid loot, join the zerg, quit your job, get out a batphone, put in the time, and profit.

Or, lower your standards and grab some velious quest armor on Blue.

This problem will never be solved. Classic Everquest is peak Darwin/Capitalism. The most dedicated fighters win it all and keep winning and their 4th alt has better gear than you ever will.

PVP is the answer, which is essentially what rule lawyering is without all the fun of pvp. It's driving your competition to quit because of how tedious and devious you can be with 100 page Google docs like you're at the fucking supreme court.

I think creative solutions exist and a custom P99 server with them would be super fun, but I think the staff has had all the passion driven out of them by the demands of the server apex predators rule lawyering to get their guild that extra one item a week, edge out their competition, and cruit their way to the top.

So game over, move on, play something else, or get on that Elder Dragon server with instanced raids and see if that gives you what you want.

[Mblake1981]

I will absolutely let the door hit me on the way out, fuck you too.

*raises glass*

https://i.imgur.com/IHE9dhj.png

[starkind]

Most dedicated fighter or most dedicated autonomous drone?

[RevSaber]

Unroot the dragons. Let guilds train eachother, stall pulls, kite just don't answer petitions. That sounds good to me

[turbosilk]

OP maybe you should consider the Firiona Vie Project or another server like that.

[Boptop]

Why explore and fight dragons when they can be delivered to the door like thai food. Why play the game at all?!

[Kohedron]

When you really think about it, classic EQ is really a dogshit game anyway

But yeah the community is hilariously terrible. They should feel ashamed of themselves, but they are too busy touching themselves to the 10 page word documents they wrote to defend their guild.

[Darkwoo]

Classic EQ is still a great game and there are a lot of solid people in the community. Most you'll never meet because they're too busy chasing bat phone/sock phone targets overkilling the shit out of everything... because what's the alternative?

The problem isn't the people, it's the shitty processes (e.g. zerg raid guilds) that drove people away from playing.

[dragosanii]

Ultimately you can't really blame anyone except people - the game was built this way many years ago. Instanced content wasn't a thing so you get high competition which brings out the absolute worst in people.....

I remember the early years of 7th Hammer and chuckling silently as a bunch of European gamers setup a Euro-based guild specifically designed to take advantage of server reboot times - so when the US servers would reboot, the US gamers would be asleep and in waltzes the "Nightwatchers" to slaughter all of the content haha....It really pissed off the US guilds having to wait yet another week to get a chance of raiding certain content.....

When I started my guild, this was exactly what we were not going to do - we weren't going to compete but instead try and help others and work together with content. Yeah we didn't have any "firsts" (why the feck do people care about that shit I dont know - it's like wearing a badge stating "I'm a complete bellthronk") but we enjoyed the majority of our time in EQ and always found something else to do if something was taken (granted, different on blue as we just have Velious as max).....

Soto the OP - if your goal is aligned to those that are competing for the top then yeah, it's gonna be a rough ride - find something else to do - go help some new players, find some new friends....If not, just switch off and do something else mate....

Peace,

- Ssethrass/Dragosanii

[Nexii]

More draft weeks would solve all the problems

[Danth]

More draft weeks would solve all the problems

It'd be interesting for P99 staff to make a comparison between their average petition workload in a normal week versus the workload of a draft week. I wonder whether the added workload of the draft counteracts the reduced petition rate.

Danth

[Snaggles]

Ever consider you are seeking out things that are devoid of joy while generalizing/rationalizing the results as unavoidable?

Go kill some crocodiles in the oasis and get killed by a random SG or dry bone. It will make you feel alive again.

[RevSaber]

More draft weeks would solve all the problems

This is the problem, just fyi

[dragosanii]

What's a draft week? Scuse the noob Q but still fairly new to P99

[cobhc3]

What's a draft week? Scuse the noob Q but still fairly new to P99

I have no idea either. And the P99 discord is being the community I have grown to hate. Just a bunch of idiots protecting info that should be public.

[kaev]

The problem isn't the people, it's the shitty processes (e.g. zerg raid guilds) that drove people away from playing.

The "shitty processes" are lovingly hand-crafted (artisanal zerg raiding!) by people who are all free to choose to play the way they do or some other way. A "zerg raid guild" is just a collection of people. Your claim evaluates to nonsense: "the problem isn't the people, it's the people". Nice try tho, thanks for playing.

[Old_PVP]

WHEN WILL YOU NERDS REALIZE?!?

PVP IS THE ANSWER!

Always has been, and always will be. It's a solution that's been staring you in the face for 20 fucking years!

https://i.imgur.com/xlMn0Ad.gif

[Darkwoo]

The "shitty processes" are lovingly hand-crafted (artisanal zerg raiding!) by people who are all free to choose to play the way they do or some other way. A "zerg raid guild" is just a collection of people. Your claim evaluates to nonsense: "the problem isn't the people, it's the people". Nice try tho, thanks for playing.

If you want to experience end game content your only option is to join a zerg raid guild. These guilds have people that have been playing this game for 20 years with access to emulated servers to train members on each encounter.

Every logical person comes to the same conclusion: "If you can't beat them, join them."

It's shitty processes.

[Mblake1981]

Every logical person comes to the same conclusion: "If you can't beat them, join them."

It's shitty processes.

If you cant beat em, go about a multi-year quiet project to take them down. Wait for the right moment and start a riot. Then you can sit back and watch all the shitposters eat shit on the boards, that was great stuff.

Not as great as watching these "seasoned master EQ veterans" get their faces eaten by a Griffen. My favorite moment on the P99 servers.

[Ripqozko]

If you cant beat em, go about a multi-year quiet project to take them down. Wait for the right moment and start a riot. Then you can sit back and watch all the shitposters eat shit on the boards, that was great stuff.

Not as great as watching these "seasoned master EQ veterans" get their faces eaten by a Griffen. My favorite moment on the P99 servers.

Riot was 5 years after velious was beat, it's irrelevant. Hope that helps.

[Mblake1981]

Riot was 5 years after velious was beat, it's irrelevant. Hope that helps.

Not really, it was still very sweet watching them die. 5 years or 5 days doesn't matter when the wound is still this sore.

[Zwieback]

200% agree. P99 is a SHITshow and devs dont care.
There are only a handful of acceptable places to level, otherwise you have to bring your own group or get comfortable soloing. The raiding scene is an incredible waste of man-hours, and is wretchedly boring because all guilds are zerg-guilds and all content is known. Big mobs were being slaughtered all across velious within hours of release. That shouldn't really be possible, except for the fact that all guilds are zerg-guilds.

I went to check on the beads camp, and the list was 25 people long. Just looking around, it appeared that maybe 6 of those people were active. Everyone else was alt-tabbed out.

The guild I was in was doing plate house, and the officers decided that they were going to let the dwarf get away in order to shut down any other guild from immediately starting after we left. Intentionally screwing over other Everquesters because of.. I dont know even know.. something about competition, I guess?

There used to be some pleasure in just enjoying the game, but that's mostly gone. It's just a grab for pixels.

I've been on P99 since 2009, but it's finally time.

I will absolutely let the door hit me on the way out, fuck you too.

[Swish]

WHEN WILL YOU NERDS REALIZE?!?

PVP IS THE ANSWER!

Always has been, and always will be. It's a solution that's been staring you in the face for 20 fucking years!

[starkind]

WHEN WILL YOU NERDS REALIZE?!?

PVP IS THE ANSWER!

Always has been, and always will be. It's a solution that's been staring you in the face for 20 fucking years!

https://i.imgur.com/xlMn0Ad.gif

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[ScottBerta]

This game is best played in spurts. My bro and I started on blue in 2011 and stopped in 2012 due to burning out. We came back in 2017 and decided we would just duo and do small time shit. Whenever we make alts, we try to make semi challenging duos and twink them out and go to zones we have never been to before. It has been so much more enjoyable this time around. For instance the duo we are on now is ranger/rogue and we are trying to exclusively lvl in old world dungeons that we hadn’t spent much time in before. It’s super fun. You would be more than welcomed to come along with us on blue. /who all True Blues.. be my bro and I, doing some hood rat shit.

[Boptop]

When does green reset?

[Ravager]

The game sucks after the nostalgia of orc hill pick up groups wears off. This is nothing new.

[Thorgrimm]

EQ Classic was a social game

P99 is a numbers game

[Mblake1981]

The game sucks after the nostalgia of orc hill pick up groups wears off. This is nothing new.

What's truly ball-busting is that its peak Windows gaming, considering that it was, the internet and games in general of the day. Full on computer interface, no knee-capping half measures so it works on everything. Taking the risk of requiring new hardware for the game to run. The last new hardware for Windows desktop was the Ageia PhysX (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/bfg-ageia-physx-card/), this came out during Vista/360 years and Microsoft was switching to full on focus on consoles.

For the record: original Everquest is not a console game.

So things like P99 are a nostalgia trip for more reason than it being the hot game during our youth. It's just 20+ years behind what is current and you have to consider that its mostly all console focused products.

Mobile taking more head space. You have to understand the direction Microsoft is going, it is not likely there will ever be a game on modern Windows that will surpass what original Everquest did on Windows 98.

So yeah, Orc Hill was a moment..

https://i.imgur.com/f3lkzh1.png

https://i.imgur.com/JOikUTR.png

[Mblake1981]

I recently watched my niece play Roblox. The graphics in some reminded me of early EQ. She plays on a tablet.

It's two different things though.
https://twitter.com/preyformary/status/1245174396672544768

[Arvan]

imagine thinking p99 is more than just a roleplaying MUD game running underneath a couple bad 1999 3d/2d pixels

[roks1]

Really? There were groups to be had everyone when the population was like 200 people back in the day?

I made a shaman druid druid necro necro group for paw with a russian skinhead because we wanted to get exp and we were gonna do it regardless of our lack of proper set up, so yeah grouping happened even back then
u just had to send people tells ad make friends

[Nirgon]

There are only a handful of acceptable places to level, otherwise you have to bring your own group or get comfortable soloing. The raiding scene is an incredible waste of man-hours, and is wretchedly boring because all guilds are zerg-guilds and all content is known. Big mobs were being slaughtered all across velious within hours of release. That shouldn't really be possible, except for the fact that all guilds are zerg-guilds.

I went to check on the beads camp, and the list was 25 people long. Just looking around, it appeared that maybe 6 of those people were active. Everyone else was alt-tabbed out.

The guild I was in was doing plate house, and the officers decided that they were going to let the dwarf get away in order to shut down any other guild from immediately starting after we left. Intentionally screwing over other Everquesters because of.. I dont know even know.. something about competition, I guess?

There used to be some pleasure in just enjoying the game, but that's mostly gone. It's just a grab for pixels.

I've been on P99 since 2009, but it's finally time.

I will absolutely let the door hit me on the way out, fuck you too.


and no 2 week suspension here

[Eldon]

It sounds like you're a hardcore player complaining that being a hardcore player sucks... Play a different way, or different game, or go outside, all good options.

Can confirm. Fresh self-made chars Auld Lang Syne style totally renewed my interest in EQ after having it wane in the hyper-competitive raid scene. I find the hobo struggle and gearing myself via loot/quests to be the most satisfying. Of course, you might just not enjoy EQ anymore, which is totally valid. Maybe it's time to dabble in hard drugs

[Baler]

You Either Die A Hero,
Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain

[Danth]

So things like P99 are a nostalgia trip for more reason than it being the hot game during our youth.

"Our" youth? Whippersnappers maybe. Pong and Atari VCS were the games of my youth. Didn't have a decent PC until much later. Yanno, maybe what goes around comes around and what's old is new: Before PC gaming kind of branched off into its own entity, I recall my Commodore 64 essentially ran ports of regular console games, like Atari-type games. Even used the same controller. Now we're more or less back to that point. Maybe in 10 or 20 years it'll go back the other way.

I recently watched my niece play Roblox. The graphics in some reminded me of early EQ. She plays on a tablet.

There's a silver lining: Thanks to stuff like Roblox, Minecraft, Terraria, etc, today's generation isn't going to grow up thinking graphics > all else like the 90's children did. Much like your niece, my daughter understands already that how a game looks doesn't necessarily reflect how much fun it is or isn't. I don't know how much use studios will make of that cultural shift, but the opportunity is there.

Danth

[Danth]

(Can't edit in RnF)

Part of the reason for the convergence of PC and console/mobile gaming is that the thing PCs do best--simulations and virtual worlds--have gone out of fashion. Beyond EQ and its ilk, the 90's were a glorious era for flight sims of all types, space flight pseudo-sims, you name it, lot of folks wanted realism or at least the trappings of realism that couldn't readily be accomplished on a console. That's not so much the case these days. Maybe the whims of fashion will come back around, maybe not.

[Nirgon]

Oh its not just the whims of fashion, there is a whole lot more to it brudda