<STOP THIEF!>

[kauvian]

<STOP THIEF!> is currently recruiting able bodied thieves to bolster their ranks. Its members are thought of by some as the most scandalous scoundrels in all of Antonica. Members of <Stop Thief!> always carry themselves with pride and dignity, knowing they are part of the most esteemed Thieves Guild in Norrath. Being able to pilfer the most precious riches in all the lands, letting no pocket or lock stand in the way of their goal! With egos as big as their purse, they strut through Norrath, knowing the secrets many die for. Usually only known for their combat prowess, thought to be of little use aside from that. Under the mentorship of legendary thieves, Ishpan Tendertoes and Coitis Interuptis, this has changed. Now, the name <Stop Thief!> is legendary across all of Norrath. We are separate from our rogue brethren, and cousin assassins in only our mindset, and our reputations. Let none tarnish what our legendary guild has created. Long live <Stop Thief!>, to plunder the pockets of innocents for an eternity to come…

[kauvian]

https://i.imgur.com/Q25Zqxr.png

[Graahle]

Fucking MAGIC lol.

Galach just posted in Green UN discord that he's going straight to permabanning the pickpocketers.

Real classic.

[Shinko]

Imagine getting banned for using a class abilities

[Shinko]

Personally I think there something wrong with you if you do the elder beads camp, go outside get some fresh air,

[Graahle]

Seriously. Rogues can't even be rogues because wet napkin bitch-made players cry about literally EVERYTHING on P99.

[Gustoo]

Hilarious.

Worst solution would be if they just made the item unstealable totally murdering the class.

Good job stealing elder beads pros.

[Morlaeth]

Player using a God/Brad given ability the way it was meant to be used. GMs forgot to code out beads from PP. Solution? Permaban players for using abilities as Brad intended them to be used. I should say I'm amazed by this point but lol

[putrid_plum]

It’s
Classic

[Pulgasari]

Bristlebane smiles on these scoundrels

[Izmael]

Permabanning might be a little harsh, just delete the stolen items and maybe give the rogues a warning.

And of course make the beads unstealable.

[Enderenter]

Permabanning might be a little harsh, just delete the stolen items and maybe give the rogues a warning.

And of course make the beads unstealable.

What if they've been stealing half a dozen beads a day, for a month?

[RevSaber]

Root the holgresh elder beads!

[Graahle]

What if they've been stealing half a dozen beads a day, for a month?

sucks to suck for the list zombies then.

[Twochain]

hahaha no fucking way, someone really pickpocketed beads?

I don't think that should be perma'd but that IS hilarious. Can you imagine?

[Pulgasari]

i can see it being construed as killstealing but legends never die (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277707)

[CancerMage]

server is fucked lol. I was quite aware that they would reactionary ban for a classic mechanic they didn't think of while implimenting a non classic mechanic to the game.

You hate to see it. But also, kinda thought it was coming.

[Ratchet51]

Fucking legends. RIP in peace, boys.

[Izmael]

What if they've been stealing half a dozen beads a day, for a month?

Hopefully there are enough logs in the DB. Maybe /list item drops are logged, maybe pick pocketing item successes are, maybe something else is - only Rogean knows.

If there are enough logs, it should be trivial for him to compile a list of item id's to nuke.

If there aren't enough logs, then it will require a Braknar-style days-long investigation, analysing trades and such.

Chances are some of these stolen beads have hit the market (probably these were people who were dumping them cheap lately, probably fearing this precise scenario and hoping plat is harder to trace etc).

[CancerMage]

my god what a scandal, WHAT IF they were doing it for a month?! think of all the defrauded elfs?! how can we right this wrong, maybe we can send a 12 page petition to the server staff.

MAYBE if we ask nicely they will redistribute all the loot fairly that was pickpocketed.

My god do you fucking people hear yourselves.

Brad would be rolling in his fucking grave right now.

[Twochain]

i can see it being construed as killstealing but legends never die (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277707)

10/10

What a legend. What he get ban for?

[Amalec]

Imagine getting banned for using a class abilities

I mean.. just KSing someone elses' mobs and looting them is using class abilities too but will get you banned. I don't get this argument at all.

[Twochain]

Yeah I don't think we should pretend like letting rogues pickpocket legacy items is okay. People would be going apeshit on every rogue that is even in zone. But holy shit I wonder how many people this has happened to? One post said they camped beads for 53 hours straight before getting it... is that roughly how long it took on blue???

[billcrystals]

Why would you not permaban them lol. Clear scumbag behavior, and obviously circumventing a GM-implemented /list mechanic. Server is much better off without these folk.

[Graahle]

Relive the kinda-sorta Classic Everquest Experience as it was from 1999 to 2001 complete with unending GM intervention, 40 year old drug-addicted players "working from home" who are mentally unstable enough to submit 14 page tear-filled subpoenas because their guild couldn't keep 2 mobs from wiping their 80 man raids.

You're in our world now

[Croco]

every day this project strays further from god's light

[Sonderbeast]

What kind of scoundrel would pickpocket 12 Holgresh Elder Beads?! The NERVE.

[Pulgasari]

Why would you not permaban them lol.

Prior precedent mainly. In the above case of Borgnach v OOT Sockers, Sirken ruled pickpocketing very legal and very cool. :)

[Twochain]

Prior precedent mainly. In the above case of Borgnach v OOT Sockers, Sirken ruled pickpocketing very legal and very cool. :)


And while that story is fun and hilarious, we're talking about people camping shit for days straight because they had to wait on a list.

Suspensions and a server wide warning moving forward is the play there imo. You can't blame people for using a rogue as the developers envisioned. Perma is a little harsh for a first offense if we're speaking retroactively. If you pickpocket a list mob moving forward, I could see it. Especially if there is no way to easily query who has done it.

[JDFriend99]

Seriously. Rogues can't even be rogues because wet napkin bitch-made players cry about literally EVERYTHING on P99.

cry about what bitch?

Sitting in line for 40-50 hrs while rogue steal and pass off to boxes or friends to sell in EC...?

Yeah im crying about that as well. Legit spent over 85 hrs failing last 4 days while punks stole it and bought stuff or RMt'd. Sure im crying as you call it.

Maybe you should take a F'kin hike and go play your Xbox and stay the F off the server, if you support rule violations.

You should be banned for bypassing a system put in place by staff. Its their server not yours. You dont own it, so you either follow rules or take a sissyfoot stroll off the server.

[CancerMage]

can you imagine getting perma banned for a classic mechanic. can you imagine not being able to make enemies on an open world server roleplaying as a rogue.

From a very well known roleplayer.

Pure insanity, While what was done was very shity. And people should be upset. What happepned is clearly not bannable and it 100% was roleplay. Sorry you got got, but this was open world play. thats not to say you shouldnt string him up, get him disbanded from his guild. enact community punishment. You know, how it was done on classic when a classic mechanic was used to be shitty?

[Graahle]

cry about what bitch?

Sitting in line for 40-50 hrs while rogue steal and pass off to boxes or friends to sell in EC...?

Yeah im crying about that as well. Legit spent over 85 hrs failing last 4 days while punks stole it and bought stuff or RMt'd. Sure im crying as you call it.

Maybe you should take a F'kin hike and go play your Xbox and stay the F off the server, if you support rule violations.

You should be banned for bypassing a system put in place by staff. Its their server not yours. You dont own it, so you either follow rules or take a sissyfoot stroll off the server.

Sorry you didn't get Holgresh Elder Beads LOL.

85 hours? I think YOU should take a walk bud. Go get some fresh air; maybe take a glance at the sun for once.

[Pulgasari]

And while that story is fun and hilarious, we're talking about people camping shit for days straight because they had to wait on a list.

Suspensions and a server wide warning moving forward is the play there imo. You can't blame people for using a rogue as the developers envisioned. Perma is a little harsh for a first offense if we're speaking retroactively. If you pickpocket a list mob moving forward, I could see it. Especially if there is no way to easily query who has done it.

I'm with you I think. Making it punishable moving forward is fine, but changing the rules and immediately handing out a perma isn't very polite.

[u_lock]

"moving forward" lol.

"Guys when I was exploiting mechanics it was fine. But going forward let's not do it, ok?"

[Allishia]

I don't agree with Perma banning but they should have known better too. List camp and all /nod.

[drackgon]

Those trying to defend this action is the insane ones to me. People have set at list for wayyyyyy 2 long. Some having to do it multiple times bc of passing out at keyboard and missing afk checks. All to learn that the reason nones been dropping bc of few peeps pickpocking them. And yall are fine with that? Clearly those whos fine with that don't understand the basic pnp rules of this server. Saying its classic is a joke. Go play on a private server if you think breaking rules should be allowed.

Kudos to the rogue who found out and self reported. bc imo ban the rogues who did it, ban the players who helped them move it and continued the procress. Only peeps who is going to get fucked the most besides the list peeps. Is those who bought these illegal beads in EC are now going to get super fucked when they get nuked.

[Cecily]

Proud of you guys. True rogues to the end.

[billcrystals]

And while that story is fun and hilarious, we're talking about people camping shit for days straight because they had to wait on a list.

Suspensions and a server wide warning moving forward is the play there imo. You can't blame people for using a rogue as the developers envisioned. Perma is a little harsh for a first offense if we're speaking retroactively. If you pickpocket a list mob moving forward, I could see it. Especially if there is no way to easily query who has done it.

LOL how is this "using a rogue as the developers envisioned?" What did the developers of EQ have to say about the /list mechanic, eh?

Everyone here is some version of a 40 year old adult. Those rogues knew exactly how sketchy they were being and should absolutely eat a perma. The server is much better off without trash like that roaming around.

[Nibblewitz]

People who waited in the queue should be ashamed of themselves.

Beta bitches.

[Cecily]

They should have realized that stealing was wrong. Lol.

[Pulgasari]

"moving forward" lol.

"Guys when I was exploiting mechanics it was fine. But going forward let's not do it, ok?"

Retroactive punishment is bad voodoo.

[CancerMage]

Those trying to defend this action is the insane ones to me. People have set at list for wayyyyyy 2 long. Some having to do it multiple times bc of passing out at keyboard and missing afk checks. All to learn that the reason nones been dropping bc of few peeps pickpocking them. And yall are fine with that? Clearly those whos fine with that don't understand the basic pnp rules of this server. Saying its classic is a joke. Go play on a private server if you think breaking rules should be allowed.

Kudos to the rogue who found out and self reported. bc imo ban the rogues who did it, ban the players who helped them move it and continued the procress. Only peeps who is going to get fucked the most besides the list peeps. Is those who bought these illegal beads in EC are now going to get super fucked when they get nuked.

you are fucking disgusting shut up.

[Twochain]

Those trying to defend this action is the insane ones to me. People have set at list for wayyyyyy 2 long. Some having to do it multiple times bc of passing out at keyboard and missing afk checks. All to learn that the reason nones been dropping bc of few peeps pickpocking them. And yall are fine with that? Clearly those whos fine with that don't understand the basic pnp rules of this server. Saying its classic is a joke. Go play on a private server if you think breaking rules should be allowed.

Kudos to the rogue who found out and self reported. bc imo ban the rogues who did it, ban the players who helped them move it and continued the procress. Only peeps who is going to get fucked the most besides the list peeps. Is those who bought these illegal beads in EC are now going to get super fucked when they get nuked.

Look I definitely FEEL for you guys camping beads since Velious dropped. But I mean, did anybody notice rogues hanging around the holgresh?

It's classic in practicality. It's entirely possible that there was a rogue on live who pickpocketed holgresh for a pair of beads. The difference is, 20 years later, people know how coveted a pair is. And they are worth a fortune. It cannot be allowed on P99 (Pickpocketing list mobs specifically), because if it was, everyone and their brother would be rolling a green rogue right now. You basically wouldn't even be able to farm them by killing them. But pickpocketing random mobs throughout norrath whom are unagro'd is very very classic and should always be allowed.

Call me crazy, but I also don't think any beads that were pickpocketed should get nuked. That' would likely be a huge punishment to a player who wasn't even involved. (imagine just getting 150k nuked for no reason)

Yeah thinking about this more it almost is on perma ban territory.. especially if whomever did it pickpocketed more than one pair. That's still pretty harsh though. Maybe ban them for the rest of velious, they can play again when green gets dumped into blue.


Is this confirmed to actually happen? Did OP just photoshop that? How easy could a 60 rogue pickpocket holgresh without getting agro?

What's the camp like on green at the moment?? don't people just sit on top spawns?

[CancerMage]

rogean is a rational man, he is going to take one fucking look at this laugh his fucking ass off. and tell galach and menden to do whatever they think best.

This whole thing is fucking hilarious and the dirty fucking rmters who sat at beads since velious launch deserve everything they fucking got. sorry some legit people got caught in the crossfire. But that is the price of doing bis.

Get fucked RMTers. simple as that.

[Nirgon]

They really do hate classic EverQuest :(

Guess it's ok to wizard blast one of these mobs down

But mashing a few pick pockets?

They will do whatever the cuck mob tells them!

;)

[seconds]

Pickpocketing beads is about as fair as locking out the ENTIRE zone worth of phs/names to a bunch of people clicking YES im here for 60 hours.

It is what it is.

[Nirgon]

Or rooting dragons before anything was even killed after both GMs saying they wouldn't unless there were problems with trains and Kingdom magically not showing up to TOV.

Just constant fishy issues with the people who can act as retarded as they want. After rogue epics on blue, the dawg n paymelinda on red, we see this stuff on green now. The problems never change here. Super sad. I'll be looking forward to new management some day and playing classic EQ again.

[Nirgon]

https://www.firesofheaven.org/threads/project-99-green-server-announcement.10893/page-30

Wonder if this is still censored cuz reasons

Register for real rnf if it does work tho

[billcrystals]

Bye bud, have fun in your new playground

[Smoofers]

Green sounds like a utopia

[Nirgon]

Green sounds like a utopia

How many years of the classic trilogy are you on now?

LOL beta pixel clinger

[RevSaber]

Root all in game mobs and refer to green un or gms before engagement. The crying might stop there...

[baue1446]

One thing is for sure if all of the ill gotten beads do get nuked. The price of beads is going to SKYROCKET. Thats 2 weeks of beads and likely close to half (if not more) going poof.

The legit beads on server are going to be crazy expensive and with much less time to camp them before they are removed there will be a lot less floating around.

[Eslade]

Show of hands,
How many of you enjoy watching someone else plow your girlfriend?

[Evia]

server is fucked lol. I was quite aware that they would reactionary ban for a classic mechanic they didn't think of while implimenting a non classic mechanic to the game.

You hate to see it. But also, kinda thought it was coming.

Damn man that line hit hard on the button of truth

[Evia]

can you imagine getting perma banned for a classic mechanic. can you imagine not being able to make enemies on an open world server roleplaying as a rogue.

From a very well known roleplayer.

Pure insanity,

[Boptop]

That's bullshit. Don't punish them for your fuck up.

[Nexii]

10/10 thread. This is the most lawful evil thing I've seen in a long time. Love the irony of a classic mechanic winning out over a non-classic implementation (ordered /list).

List should have always been random winner. Ordered is awful

[Bardp1999]

This is brilliant - lists are gay and poorly implemented - if anything it should be the top 5 people on list all have an auto roll on the item not whoever can stay online for 60 hours. Burn it down.

https://i.imgur.com/Rjdj4S8.gif

[Gustoo]

Bristlebane smiles on these scoundrels

[kauvian]

https://i.imgur.com/bp2xTHk.jpg

[kauvian]

Can you fault a hobbit for wanting to get filthy rich, start his own rocket company, and fly away to Luclin?

[Pulgasari]

https://i.imgur.com/PgmJWKY.gif

[Croco]

green was a mistake

[Ennewi]

Rogues weren't stealthy enough to avoid detection. Punishments earned.

[Bardp1999]

green was a mistake

It really was

[ReadOnly]

All these poor people

"PwEEEEZe dON't use yOur CLASS abIlItieS oR elSe my /LiSt bwuTton wON't woRk AnYmOre."

Fuckin' rogues out here actually playing the game vs AFK nimwits begging for scraps, and people are siding with the nimwits?!?!?!

[Evia]

All these poor people

"PwEEEEZe dON't use yOur CLASS abIlItieS oR elSe my /LiSt bwuTton wON't woRk AnYmOre."

Fuckin' rogues out here actually playing the game vs AFK nimwits begging for scraps, and people are siding with the nimwits?!?!?!

Up is down
Down is up
It's a really hard time if year
The end is nigh

[Graahle]

All these poor people

"PwEEEEZe dON't use yOur CLASS abIlItieS oR elSe my /LiSt bwuTton wON't woRk AnYmOre."

Fuckin' rogues out here actually playing the game vs AFK nimwits begging for scraps, and people are siding with the nimwits?!?!?!

Pickpocket purpose: BAN

Fuck outa here P99 lmao.

[Evia]

The irony is that they used a truly classic(99-01) rogue ability to circumvent a truly non-classic feature on a classic everquest(99-01)server and got banned for it.

Is it nice to pickpocket beads from people? Of course not
Is it classic AF? YUP!
Is this a classic eq emulator?
I thought so?

[Allishia]

Well they are obviously new to this server if they thought they had any chance of getting away with it. People aren't that dumb, they 100% knew what they were doing was very wrong /nod =P

[Penish]

To many liberal bedwetters complaining, servers become care bear corner for gender dysphoric micro dicks.

Place is a shit show, and these retard staff keep making it "fair" for people who lack the ability to think.

Let's lol together today.

[Gustoo]

Using pick pocket to steal an item is OG gold status 1000% it feels like pure Everquest.

The non classic list system is the only thing going on wrong here.

Personal policy would not punish the brave entrepreneurs

[Bhairava]

let the rogue keep the beads

anyone with 60 hours to camp that dumb shit once can just do it again anyway, no need to pretend like you are busy otherwise lmao

but as usual, nothing fun or cool is allowed on the p99 custom server

[Gustoo]

It’s a beautiful thing when a new tech innovation comes out and fucks with our 22 year old game like we just started playing.

Much accolades to people breaking the game.

Staff please consider just making this against the rules and duping some fresh beads for some people on the list that missed their rightful turn.

Or do all that but don’t make it against the rules just disable list

[Nirgon]

13+ beads leave economy too. Price of beads just went up. Whew.

[Nirgon]

To many liberal bedwetters complaining, servers become care bear corner for gender dysphoric micro dicks.

Place is a shit show, and these retard staff keep making it "fair" for people who lack the ability to think.

Let's lol together today.


Based

[NotCaros]

No punishment necessary.

Just need to code in another mechanic for the list:

List A operates as is.

List B only takes rogues.

Each drop alternates btwn loot awarded to List A and List B.

[Gustoo]

Correct version since rogues should have short cut on this since their class is designed too.

Maybe make everyone pvp enabled but only to rogues?

[Bhairava]

just cut out the middle man and give everyone on the server a set of beads

[RevSaber]

Just fyi. U can still do this on TLP. Can also steal drops in sky. Hope to see the thieves there next ;)

[Bhairava]

saves everyone time and tears, except for the people that were going to rmt the shit for rent

[Gustoo]

a lot of toxic from stupid legacy bullshit items.

agreed with giving one to every account

or in game casino to win them

or anything stupid.

[Pulgasari]

let the rogue keep the beads

anyone with 60 hours to camp that dumb shit once can just do it again anyway, no need to pretend like you are busy otherwise lmao

[Naethyn]

Let it run rampant. Force people to be the best pick pocketeer to get it. P99 is unique in how competition continues to evolve.

[Bardp1999]

SEVERLY disappointed if the reaction to this is to permaban accounts.

[JDFriend99]

Brad would have banned you for being you. Be lucky you didn't know him.

[CancerMage]

shit like this is why this server has such low server players. this early at velious.

And im not tallking about rogues pick pocketing.

It is actually scary how many people arn't playing. And people in lala land are saying its because its summer....

no...

[BlackBellamy]

You can roleplay a scumbag, I don't think anyone will disagree with that. It's hard though, because for a good role player you need to be consistent and good ethical people find it hard to be an evil scumbag on a consistent basis. Sure when you have your D&D session the rogue can do something naughty and the requirements are complete. But to do it time after time, you have to be rotten on the inside.

The first person who knew how the list worked and still took the beads and didn't report it was a scumbag, and so was every single person who followed until that one guy who gave it all up. An opportunistic scumbag on the inside, the real person. You can talk about mechanics and lists and what Brad intended or what the coding issues are but in the end I don't want to play with scumbags. People who game the system to screw others for their own benefit, using weak-ass mechanics or intended excuses are just that and I'm glad to know most people feel the same way.

Oh I understand the humor and the deviousness of it, a part of me appreciates it, like if the movie had a good plot. But those people were dirty. Defend them and be as dirty as they are.

[Pulgasari]

You can roleplay a scumbag, I don't think anyone will disagree with that. It's hard though, because for a good role player you need to be consistent and good ethical people find it hard to be an evil scumbag on a consistent basis. Sure when you have your D&D session the rogue can do something naughty and the requirements are complete. But to do it time after time, you have to be rotten on the inside.

The first person who knew how the list worked and still took the beads and didn't report it was a scumbag, and so was every single person who followed until that one guy who gave it all up. An opportunistic scumbag on the inside, the real person. You can talk about mechanics and lists and what Brad intended or what the coding issues are but in the end I don't want to play with scumbags. People who game the system to screw others for their own benefit, using weak-ass mechanics or intended excuses are just that and I'm glad to know most people feel the same way.

Oh I understand the humor and the deviousness of it, a part of me appreciates it, like if the movie had a good plot. But those people were dirty. Defend them and be as dirty as they are.

Judgment on character alone is poor judgment.

That is not Man's place. 💯

[derpcake2]

You can roleplay a scumbag, I don't think anyone will disagree with that. It's hard though, because for a good role player you need to be consistent and good ethical people find it hard to be an evil scumbag on a consistent basis. Sure when you have your D&D session the rogue can do something naughty and the requirements are complete. But to do it time after time, you have to be rotten on the inside.

The first person who knew how the list worked and still took the beads and didn't report it was a scumbag, and so was every single person who followed until that one guy who gave it all up. An opportunistic scumbag on the inside, the real person. You can talk about mechanics and lists and what Brad intended or what the coding issues are but in the end I don't want to play with scumbags. People who game the system to screw others for their own benefit, using weak-ass mechanics or intended excuses are just that and I'm glad to know most people feel the same way.

Oh I understand the humor and the deviousness of it, a part of me appreciates it, like if the movie had a good plot. But those people were dirty. Defend them and be as dirty as they are.

Yea, it really is unacceptable that people get an advantage through using game mechanics.

Participation trophies for all!

green really did get the shittiest players

[Arvan]

To many liberal bedwetters complaining, servers become care bear corner for gender dysphoric micro dicks.

Place is a shit show, and these retard staff keep making it "fair" for people who lack the ability to think.

Let's lol together today.

Gotta love the ban for staff bashing inc

[Twochain]

Gotta love the ban for staff bashing inc

Already happened.

I love how hard divided people are on this. This has been one of the best threads in ages.

At the end of the day, please remember that these volunteer GM’s are dealing with 200 gigs nerds who probably just murdered grammy after realizing that they just spent the last 60 hours straight camping beads with no fruit to bare because they didn’t realize a.. rogue was lurking their camps.

I told her to wake me if I fell asleep it’s her own fault really

[jakedubbleya]

Lol, bluebies talking about how the server is too soft.

[Vaarsuvius]

I guess some sneacky thief has already picked Statue of RZ's pockets for a Reaver?

If not, I know whee I'll park my ROG soon ��

[Evia]

You can talk about mechanics and lists and what Brad intended or what the coding issues are but in the end I don't want to play with scumbags. People who game the system to screw others for their own benefit, using weak-ass mechanics or intended excuses are just that and I'm glad to know most people feel the same way.


First I’m defending using true classic mechanics vs artificial and non classic ones. Not scumbag behavior.

Second I’m pretty sure you just described the servers general behavior as a whole with your quoted text.

[Cecily]

I guess some sneacky thief has already picked Statue of RZ's pockets for a Reaver?

If not, I know whee I'll park my ROG soon ��

Perma ban for even thinking about it. No rogues allowed in Kael.

[Graahle]

shit like this is why this server has such low server players. this early at velious.

And im not tallking about rogues pick pocketing.

It is actually scary how many people arn't playing. And people in lala land are saying its because its summer....

no...

This.

I love how people were rationalizing low Velious release by saying there was no announcement too. Get the fuck out of here lmao.

It’s because people don’t want to deal with all the pathetic bullshit anymore. I mean just take a single glance at the Green UN discord at any point in the day and you get yet another glimpse at the caliber of player you have to endure.

Wet napkin-type baby boys

[Allishia]

Glad I quit green and stayed blue /nod :p

+ Just a side note that turned me off of green....too many guise..it's not even cool there cause everyone is a fake dark elf lol. Kinda hope they don't merge them to blue....on blue it's still semi rare to see guise monks etc so it's neat still.

[billcrystals]

Glad none of you whiny dorks don’t play on Green, apparently.

[CancerMage]

This.

I love how people were rationalizing low Velious release by saying there was no announcement too. Get the fuck out of here lmao.

It’s because people don’t want to deal with all the pathetic bullshit anymore. I mean just take a single glance at the Green UN discord at any point in the day and you get yet another glimpse at the caliber of player you have to endure.

Wet napkin-type baby boys

I gotta say, thats what i been saying. Alot of the people that play on p99 are high end. alot alot. And everyone has basically quit due to the non classic atmosphere being created of communism and list stuff. im not even saying this stuff to be edgy. It's alot of conforming to a bunch of people who don't have the time or want to put in the effort into a game that requires alot of time and effort. I know alot of my friends have quit because of this. And now to see a very unclassic list mechanism defeated by a classic mechanism (part of what EQ was about on live was jigging stuff into working in your favor) end in a perma ban because again, people in a bread line on a game thats supposed to mimic classic 1999 everquest are upset.

Just one more nail.

[Ratchet51]

Anyone that has a brain and is not just a crying mass of uncontrolled emotions would agree that a permaban is an outrageous punishment for this offense. Maybe a week off, 2 weeks tops. If I know these list camps like I think do, many of these beads were being stolen from people who were likely working on getting their 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th set of them. Those are the people that should really be punished if you ask me.

[Gustoo]

Velious is a lot of content for people to bite off and its all raid content, and the raid scene in everquest has always been for psychopaths and on p99 its even moreso.

So it makes sense that velious doesn't do much for population, because most people don't give a shit about it. Its basically a level 50+ expansion and normal humans were never level 50+ on live.

So ya. No reason for a pop increase on velious, only the people maxxed at level 60 and waiting to get elite velious content for themselves are pumped about the expac.

Plus people looking forward to farming silver chitin hand wraps babbaayyy and other stuff like that.

Mostly, its for raiders. Mostly, raiders are doing their thing. No one is running to server to see velious content they literally don't know exists.

[Graahle]

Velious is completely overrated frankly.

But anyways, yeah unban those dudes. Quit being fucking macequesters

[Bardp1999]

My necro is level 45 now, and I must tell you - Velious has severely fucked over the leveling scene on Green

[ChairmanMauzer]

LOLin at the broken-brained chuds trying to turn this into a culture-war debate.

[Toxigen]

At the end of the day, please remember that these volunteer GM’s are dealing with 200 gigs nerds who probably just murdered grammy after realizing that they just spent the last 60 hours straight camping beads with no fruit to bare because they didn’t realize a.. rogue was lurking their camps.


lmao

if you spent 60 hours straight camping anything you deserve this

[Pulgasari]

Not all rogues are Redeemed (https://wiki.project1999.com/Rogue_Redemption) and that's ok.

:)

[Trexller]

Karen: Hey Devs, some players are using non-exploit/non-cheat strategies in game!

Devs: What are they doing?

Karen: Pickpocketing Holgresh elder beads

Devs: Fuck, we weren't smart enough to think of that.

Karen: Can't you just change it so the beads are magic?

Devs: Fuck no we're too fucking lazy, BAN THE PLAYERS WHO USE CLASS ABILITIES CORRECTLY AND WITHIN PNP RULES.

Devs: We don't like players who cheat, but more than that, we HATE players who make us look stupid!

[ChairmanMauzer]

Fun with strawmen.

[myrddraal]

Seems kind of on par with buying recharge items off of vendors since its a classic game mechanic. Can I stop all rogue epic MQs by sitting at founy and petitioning people who PP my mob?

[Nirgon]

Probably

[Nirgon]

Glad I quit green and stayed blue /nod :p

+ Just a side note that turned me off of green....too many guise..it's not even cool there cause everyone is a fake dark elf lol. Kinda hope they don't merge them to blue....on blue it's still semi rare to see guise monks etc so it's neat still.

Blue is a nut house. Literal months long raid content bans on multiple guilds. Dragons getting rooted which isn't classic, which has scum plagued another box before a single dragon was pulled.

[Nirgon]

This.

I love how people were rationalizing low Velious release by saying there was no announcement too. Get the fuck out of here lmao.

It’s because people don’t want to deal with all the pathetic bullshit anymore. I mean just take a single glance at the Green UN discord at any point in the day and you get yet another glimpse at the caliber of player you have to endure.

Wet napkin-type baby boys

It smell like manbitch in there

[mattydef]

I'm seeing a lot of people talk about game mechanics and not caring about breaking rules but also playing on a PVE server. Sounds like you guys want a free for all where you can take advantage of class abilities instead of waiting in line, but refuse to play on a server that offers those options.

[Bardp1999]

I'm seeing a lot of people talk about game mechanics and not caring about breaking rules but also playing on a PVE server. Sounds like you guys want a free for all where you can take advantage of class abilities instead of waiting in line, but refuse to play on a server that offers those options.

Everything should be a DPS race, end of story. The only rule the server should have is no ninja looting

[Pulgasari]

waiting in line

https://i.imgur.com/mqMXpyi.jpg

At least they nerfed the breadquest.

[Ennewi]

All of these emotional outbursts and opinions think they're DPSing but they're just spamming cheap aggro spells. These are the consequences for being bad at role/playing rogues.

[Ennewi]

Up your cha irl or continue to rage.

[Twochain]

https://i.imgur.com/mqMXpyi.jpg

At least they nerfed the breadquest.

classic WoW aka world of walkcraft aka kill 10 boars 5 wolves and walk 15 minutes, repeat process 954 times and ding level 60 was BORING as fuck.

But the first week of classic WoW was awesome. Good times.

[Gustoo]

I watched someone leveling up on WOW one time and it made me feel pretty good about what you gotta do in EQ to level.

[Tunabros]

all this for some eyeball necklace

what have we become

[Gustoo]

what have we become

non pvp EQ champs.

[Izmael]

waiting in line


https://i.imgur.com/UVTm8sD.jpg

[Graahle]

https://i.imgur.com/UVTm8sD.jpg

A+ post

[Twochain]

https://i.imgur.com/UVTm8sD.jpg

what's actually going on in this pic

[Bardp1999]

what's actually going on in this pic

Looks like the teleport ring in Wakening Lands unless I'm mistaken? So that would probably mean a Wushi kill but I'm only theorizing.

[Flexin]

Glad I quit green and stayed blue /nod :p

+ Just a side note that turned me off of green....too many guise..it's not even cool there cause everyone is a fake dark elf lol. Kinda hope they don't merge them to blue....on blue it's still semi rare to see guise monks etc so it's neat still.

compared to the people who have gm event troll illusions or the multitude of gm event pre-nerf fungi staffs on blue

[Windez]

what's actually going on in this pic

My guess would be getting the ground spawn tooth to be able to port there.

[Ravager]

Back in the day I /petitioned a rogue who was standing around pick pocketing bugs in seb outside the group when it was possible. The GM said that pick pocket is a rogue ability and that they wouldn't do anything about it. So fuck me I guess.

[Solist]

Best thing for a P99 server is to have all legacy items never stop dropping, or never have them in the first place.

[Grumph]

Best thing for a P99 server is to have all legacy items never stop dropping, or never have them in the first place.

Fair take actually.

[getsome]

EQ was never meant to be “fair.”

[Trexller]

EQ was never meant to be “fair.”

And yet, our big brother devs will continue to root dragons, add /list features, disable classic quests, tell guilds when and if they can raid, and ban players for using class abilities.

Feel free to add to the list

P99 2021 is crybaby snowflake safespace EQ

But the multi-boxers still get a free pass

[Detoxx]

You know this Project has really fallen off the rails of its vision when you're banning classes for using their abilities (classic) to enforce a list (not classic).

[Trexller]

You know this Project has really fallen off the rails of its vision when you're banning classes for using their abilities (classic) to enforce a list (not classic).

Yeah this aberration has become unrecognizable from what they made in 2010.

Green server isn't "Nilbogs ultimate vision"

Green server is, "Shit, donations dried up, open up a "new" server, that'll bring back the simps!

[Gustoo]

You know this Project has really fallen off the rails of its vision when you're banning classes for using their abilities (classic) to enforce a list (not classic).

owtch

[Gustoo]

Green server is, "Shit, donations dried up, open up a "new" server, that'll bring back the simps!

Green server released right when it should have. Project was finished.

It added list mechanic because of predicted (and accurately so) problems with these camps. simple list allows GM's not to be flooded by lawyerquesting on every single manastone and other special item drop.

They're doing what they can.

Not making a new PVP server is fully unforgivable though so we all have our bones to pick I guess.

[Gustoo]

When I say not making, I mean not even talking about. I didn't expect a new pvp server to launch till Green had its full run.

Anyone saying p99 is failing must be kidding themselves. Population is incredible for a difficult to install game that is 22 years old.

The problems here now is that the population is such psychopaths that we can't self regulate at all. The pixel lust is so strong that its all fucked up.

No idea about RMT issues as it hasn't been discussed for a while since last big ban wave but I see people playing like they are playing for a living so its hard not to suspect that it has a negative impact on the game.

[Nexii]

Best thing for a P99 server is to have all legacy items never stop dropping, or never have them in the first place.

Green would be way more appealing if it was this way. It's more classic, the devs would have never put those items in the game if they knew the troubles they'd cause. It's silly to put them in knowing the trouble they cause.

1 account per IP and no logging onto other people's accounts would also be much more classic. Bot armies were not a thing

[Gustoo]

On all live servers, new servers never had egg shaped pumice (instant dispell) and wow, neither did project 1999.

But we kept manastones, and other items at first because pop was low and people didn't really exactly even know where manastones dropped anymore. The wiki wasn't built out and stuff. Project 1999 original blue server was the closest to real classic.

Now when we know everything and when expansions drop and when legacy items will disappear, its unclassic.

They should be in place permanently, random drop off everything, obtainable from casino, or not in place at all.

I think they should be from a casino to keep platinum value high.

Staff probably discussing internally for red 2.0 implementation but not discussing publically here because we make everything into a shit show i guess.

[Gustoo]

Maybe casino + hyper over the top low percentage drop rate from specific NOT identified publically random mobs so some day someone might get a prize.

[Detoxx]

Bring Blue to Luclin, Keep green and release a new Teal server when luclin "would" have released on Green. Merge Teal into green when Luclin falls into their servers timeline and start new on Teal.

They really should just give Luclin a shot on blue. Whats there to lose? Its a beta server after all!

[Naethyn]

Luclin is classic, and p99 already has a developer that made luclin for takp. Projects evolve. Velious didn't release in 1999. Project 1999 could be so much more.

[Sonderbeast]

Cat bards are not classic

[Ravager]

Fresh launch with custom content is the only thing that would make a true classic server. The negative are as good as you can expect. Just shuffler the content and then improve it with classic-like content, add the kraken to Lake Rathe, add King Q-Ak'anon, make Myong Mistmoore a regular Raid Mob, implement all the old rumor shit like anti camp raid, and watch everyone try to figure it all out again like 1999.

[Ravager]

Fresh launch with custom content is the only thing that would make a true classic server. The negative are as good as you can expect. Just shuffler the content and then improve it with classic-like content, add the kraken to Lake Rathe, add King Q-Ak'anon, make Myong Mistmoore a regular Raid Mob, implement all the old rumor shit like anti camp raid, and watch everyone try to figure it all out again like 1999.
I'm drunk and stoned so forgive my phone post mistakes.

[Sonderbeast]

I'm drunk and stoned so forgive my phone post mistakes.

you're doing great keep going!

[Skarne]

I would also enjoy a luck on release through blue server

[Skarne]

Luclin *

[Ravager]

you're doing great keep going!
Thanks! I appreciate that

[Sonderbeast]

Thanks! I appreciate that

So are you more of a tits or an ass guy/gal?

[kauvian]

Bring Blue to Luclin, Keep green and release a new Teal server when luclin "would" have released on Green. Merge Teal into green when Luclin falls into their servers timeline and start new on Teal.

They really should just give Luclin a shot on blue. Whats there to lose? Its a beta server after all!

I'll take you to Luclin, just jump in my space rocket Detoxx.

https://i.imgur.com/jSj0K3u.png

[Ravager]

So are you more of a tits or an ass guy/gal?

I'm turned on mostly by pervy shit.

[Trexller]

I'm turned on mostly by pervy shit.

Theres still something that qualifies as pervy in 2021?

god i dont want to know... or do i...

[Sonderbeast]

I'm turned on mostly by pervy shit.

pervy as in like the typical catgirls and leather or like weird pervy shit like... shit?

[Pulgasari]

the bashing undermines the possibility of freeing our stealybois from elfjail quit it

[Ennewi]

More low cha rage posting. Nat 1 rolls on persuasion.

[Bardp1999]

Bring Blue to Luclin, Keep green and release a new Teal server when luclin "would" have released on Green. Merge Teal into green when Luclin falls into their servers timeline and start new on Teal.

They really should just give Luclin a shot on blue. Whats there to lose? Its a beta server after all!

Bro Velious took 5 years and it's like 7 zones with no new mechanics. Luclin would take like 15 years of development for P99

[Nirgon]

So close to gettin it

[cd288]

can you imagine getting perma banned for a classic mechanic. can you imagine not being able to make enemies on an open world server roleplaying as a rogue.

From a very well known roleplayer.

Pure insanity, While what was done was very shity. And people should be upset. What happepned is clearly not bannable and it 100% was roleplay. Sorry you got got, but this was open world play. thats not to say you shouldnt string him up, get him disbanded from his guild. enact community punishment. You know, how it was done on classic when a classic mechanic was used to be shitty?

Sure, it's roleplay if the person never broke character once from the day they created the character until now. They spoke only in RP the entire time, refused to interact with races that their character's race doesn't like, etc.

If they did that, then great I can see the roleplay angle here. But cut the shit with the "oh they're just RPing a Rogue" as an excuse when they don't actually RP in any other way

[cd288]

Green would be way more appealing if it was this way. It's more classic, the devs would have never put those items in the game if they knew the troubles they'd cause. It's silly to put them in knowing the trouble they cause.

1 account per IP and no logging onto other people's accounts would also be much more classic. Bot armies were not a thing

There's no way to enforce the IP thing. Too easy to get around unfortunately. But I agree I would love to see it

[Graahle]

And yet, our big brother devs will continue to root dragons, add /list features, disable classic quests, tell guilds when and if they can raid, and ban players for using class abilities.

Feel free to add to the list

P99 2021 is crybaby snowflake safespace EQ

But the multi-boxers still get a free pass

Talk to ‘em

[Pulgasari]

Sure, it's roleplay if the person never broke character once from the day they created the character until now. They spoke only in RP the entire time, refused to interact with races that their character's race doesn't like, etc.

If they did that, then great I can see the roleplay angle here. But cut the shit with the "oh they're just RPing a Rogue" as an excuse when they don't actually RP in any other way

You aren't the boss of roleplaying. It's fine to take a break. :p

[k9quaint]

Rogues stealing beads on P99 is good.
ST members getting perma-banned is good.
Angry RNF honking is good.
This is good.

[Evia]

This server is a joke compared to what it used to be. All you 2019 people who have no context for how things were and have no appreciation for what this community was have completely killed the spirit of this shit. This isn't "Classic" anymore. Hasn't been for a long time. But all you people who just started with green are fucked up, you're all psychopaths who don't give a single fuck about community, about other people enjoying themselves or having a good time, you only care about yourself and excluding everyone else. The complete disrespect you show to the cooperation it took to find unclassic shit and then find evidence to the contrary is disgusting. We stand on the shoulders of those people who dedicated their time and energy to help Nilb/Rog build this and you all can't even behave like adults, you have to shit all over everything and destroy it.

This community is dead.

You neckbeards fucking killed it.

If staff isn't capable of growing a pair of balls and actually moderating this server, banning people who should have been banned years ago, then you can fuck off too. At least Sirken gave a shit about the server and was willing to ban people. who misbehaved. This server is ran by manchildren now, people who bitch and moan and whine to get their way. Ban them. Can't act like an adult? Ban them. Cry in UN discord because you're a barely functioning adult who has to get their way (Seal Team?) Ban them.

Every single time you let people get away with this shit you make it worse, reinforcing this shitty behavior. The staff needs to step the fuck up or step the fuck down. Lastly, /list is bullshittedly unclassic, remove it, how the fuck can you say "Experience classic everquest!" and in the same breath say "Rooted Dragons and 16 hour variance and /list mechanics and you cant pickpocket with a Rogue and---" What the fucks the matter with you? Jesus christ.

This is the best post I've read in a long time. I've got mad respect for the people letting me play here for free but this guy isn't wrong.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

I gotta say, thats what i been saying. Alot of the people that play on p99 are high end. alot alot. And everyone has basically quit due to the non classic atmosphere being created of communism and list stuff. im not even saying this stuff to be edgy. It's alot of conforming to a bunch of people who don't have the time or want to put in the effort into a game that requires alot of time and effort. I know alot of my friends have quit because of this. And now to see a very unclassic list mechanism defeated by a classic mechanism (part of what EQ was about on live was jigging stuff into working in your favor) end in a perma ban because again, people in a bread line on a game thats supposed to mimic classic 1999 everquest are upset.

Just one more nail.

Hey, sounds like <Auld Lang Syne> should see a resurgence on Green. For now, it's just me running around with a Dragoon Dirk I pulled off Dorn at 16, in banded and spiked shoulderpads, and i'm happy as a clam with it :D

[Graahle]

This server is a joke compared to what it used to be. All you 2019 people who have no context for how things were and have no appreciation for what this community was have completely killed the spirit of this shit. This isn't "Classic" anymore. Hasn't been for a long time. But all you people who just started with green are fucked up, you're all psychopaths who don't give a single fuck about community, about other people enjoying themselves or having a good time, you only care about yourself and excluding everyone else. The complete disrespect you show to the cooperation it took to find unclassic shit and then find evidence to the contrary is disgusting. We stand on the shoulders of those people who dedicated their time and energy to help Nilb/Rog build this and you all can't even behave like adults, you have to shit all over everything and destroy it.

This community is dead.

You neckbeards fucking killed it.

If staff isn't capable of growing a pair of balls and actually moderating this server, banning people who should have been banned years ago, then you can fuck off too. At least Sirken gave a shit about the server and was willing to ban people. who misbehaved. This server is ran by manchildren now, people who bitch and moan and whine to get their way. Ban them. Can't act like an adult? Ban them. Cry in UN discord because you're a barely functioning adult who has to get their way (Seal Team?) Ban them.

Every single time you let people get away with this shit you make it worse, reinforcing this shitty behavior. The staff needs to step the fuck up or step the fuck down. Lastly, /list is bullshittedly unclassic, remove it, how the fuck can you say "Experience classic everquest!" and in the same breath say "Rooted Dragons and 16 hour variance and /list mechanics and you cant pickpocket with a Rogue and---" What the fucks the matter with you? Jesus christ.

This is the best post I've read in a long time. I've got mad respect for the people letting me play here for free but this guy isn't wrong.

Literally a legendary post.

[Ennewi]

You have become better at groupthink (200).
You lack the skills to fashion a sentence together.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legendary

[Graahle]

Low effort. Next!

[Ennewi]

Ariana Graahle

[Trexller]

You have become better at groupthink (200).
You lack the skills to fashion a sentence together.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legendary

fail

[Tunabros]

brad rolling in his grave right now

[Ennewi]

fail

frail

[Pulgasari]

kbEep0wWOZg

[Lightbringer55]

With evolution, there needs to be a selective pressure. With the addition of 16 hour variances, lists, etc. it's effectively selected for a certain player demographic to thrive in the raid scene and has evolved into what we have today.

[Flexin]

With evolution, there needs to be a selective pressure. With the addition of 16 hour variances, lists, etc. it's effectively selected for a certain player demographic to thrive in the raid scene and has evolved into what we have today.

It's this or what they used to deal with on blue, 200+ people on a spawn point with autoclickers.

[Graahle]

200 pieces of shit**

[Ratchet51]

Cry in UN discord because you're a barely functioning adult who has to get their way (Seal Team?) Ban them.

https://youtu.be/SuDqNLgVHv8

[Toxigen]

Low effort. Next!

mXnJqYwebF8

[Ravager]

What they need is 2 or 3 other servers. You can't create characters on those servers until you get to level 60 on a primary server and /movechar over. Then there's a server for leveling and then there's servers for whatever the fuck else you want to do in this game. That way, you can at least choose which insane assholes you want to play with.

[Gustoo]

insane assholes always play on all servers at the same time.

[Grumph]

What they need is 2 or 3 other servers. You can't create characters on those servers until you get to level 60 on a primary server and /movechar over. Then there's a server for leveling and then there's servers for whatever the fuck else you want to do in this game. That way, you can at least choose which insane assholes you want to play with.

Id love to see a set of servers like:

Vanilla.

Planar.

Kunark.

Velious.

[CancerMage]

moooooo

[Arvan]

Dang they need to do that with blue guilds

[CancerMage]

we wasnt even really racist, they just don't like roleplay on green. as seen from rogues pick pocketing, and an erudite roleplay guild, now both banned.

[ChairmanMauzer]

Being racists isn't "role-playing" just like pick-pocketing to bypass what was obviously a server function wasn't "role playing". Don't be ridiculous.

[Scalem]

Being racists isn't "role-playing" just like pick-pocketing to bypass what was obviously a server function wasn't "role playing". Don't be ridiculous.

I love how DMO focuses on the "we weren't even that racist argument" and just ignore the fact that there were multiple reasons besides that for being disbanded.

[Bardp1999]

Mess with the UN and you get your hands cut off at the wrist, not sure how many more examples you guys need. I don't even think most of the GMs even read the forums anymore, it's all discord.

[Synphul]

If you haven't figure out by now the that the only supported RP styles here are gender and species roleplay, then you haven't been paying attention. RP of different non-white race characteristics or cultures is cultural appropriation or racism. Want to RP a boy, girl, cat, dog, goat, or fox even though you're not one? All good. Talk like any modern rapper in game, get the hammer for racism. Just google "smithsonian white race chart" if you want to make sure you're not overstepping the line.

[Toxigen]

bitch im a cow

mooooo

[Bardp1999]

I self-identify as a praying mantis covered in slime, the other mantis call me "slime-covered bitch" and pinch my genitals with their pinchers while telling me how big of a slut I am.

[Tunabros]

still dont think it should be permabanned

[loramin]

still dont think it should be permabanned

Why? R&N have incredibly generously provided multiple servers for us to play and enjoy, for free. They ask nothing in return except to follow the rules, and these assholes couldn't handle that.

And to be clear, this is nothing new: P99 has a long history of banning people who take advantage of exploits. Consider this post from 2009 in the Petition forum:

Ban/Suspensions Bans are generally a result of exploitation, 3rd party programs, multi-box offenses or RMT. These are never reversed.

Every last person involved knew what they were doing (breaking the rules), and they did it anyway ... while being guests on a server that someone else pays to keep running. That's some Rick James put your dirty feet on someone else's couch bullshit, and I personally have zero sympathy for those people.

[Bhairava]

Every last person involved knew what they were doing (breaking the rules), and they did it anyway ... while being guests on a server that someone else pays to keep running. That's some Rick James put your dirty feet on someone else's couch bullshit, and I personally have zero sympathy for those people.

knew what they was doing (breaking the rules)

[Bhairava]

when they gonna crack down on all the rule breaking names and other stuff that goes on 24/7

[Cecily]

Anyways, who wants to log on my account? I'm #6 at beads camp.

[kauvian]

https://i.imgur.com/fwOQ9bh.png

[Duane]

https://i.imgur.com/NbtUH5D.gif

[Toxigen]

https://i.imgur.com/NbtUH5D.gif

lmao

[Gustoo]

So what was teh conclusion anyways? All rogues got banned and items given to people on list, or what?

[blindedsoul]

Bans for 2 rogues prominent and available and a statement from a prominent guild / removal

Looks like shadow bans and everyone who does the camp stays uncomfortable / does not know when they see a rogue lol.

The banned rogues really did a lot of people wrong.... it would be hundreds of hours if not thousands if the camp were just rogues doing what they did.

Requires the killing of hundreds of place holders per elder bead and 40-50+ to get through the list without foul play and even less people would clear camp if they know rogues could just sit at pull entrances stealing every spawn...)

Support the admins on banning people doing this...

there are obviously 10+ people in the area killing these spawns and a list set up by the admins to avoid conflict the likes of which would be nuclear and no one here wants to moderate.

Better system would be to make them magic in the future so they cant be stolen at all imo + System to log your hours placing you at #2 on list if top hours on entry/login imo.

[Pulgasari]

Bans for 2 rogues prominent and available and a statement from a prominent guild / removal

Looks like shadow bans and everyone who does the camp stays uncomfortable / does not know when they see a rogue lol.

The banned rogues really did a lot of people wrong.... it would be hundreds of hours if not thousands if the camp were just rogues doing what they did.

Requires the killing of hundreds of place holders per elder bead and 40-50+ to get through the list without foul play and even less people would clear camp if they know rogues could just sit at pull entrances stealing every spawn...)

Support the admins on banning people doing this...

there are obviously 10+ people in the area killing these spawns and a list set up by the admins to avoid conflict the likes of which would be nuclear and no one here wants to moderate.

Better system would be to make them magic in the future so they cant be stolen at all imo + System to log your hours placing you at #2 on list if top hours on entry/login imo.

That's nice but we aren't organizing society by your Marxist list rules.

Seek help.

[Tunabros]

which rogues got banned?

[Nirgon]

Dis turrible

[CancerMage]

the truth is, this camp deserved it. everyone afk.

Have any of you actually went to the list? for a camp that has like 14 spawns or whatever. with on average 12-15 on list.

There are mobs up, sitting up. This shit was ripe for the picking. most people on this list deserved to get pick pocketed, and still do.

[Izmael]

I've done this camp several times and average mob life expectancy inside the cave has always been a few seconds. Most of the time the outside roamers were cleared as well by people sharing the duties / regening the timer when poss.

[CancerMage]

I've done this camp several times and average mob life expectancy inside the cave has always been a few seconds. Most of the time the outside roamers were cleared as well by people sharing the duties / regening the timer when poss.

thats on a good day. i went and watched the camp several times. one time for 12 hours. It's not like that most times. the few times i checked its 3 people doing all the work and they cant cover it all.

Most people there are low level listers waiting to get their welfare beads.

[Ravager]

thats on a good day. i went and watched the camp several times. one time for 12 hours. It's not like that most times. the few times i checked its 3 people doing all the work and they cant cover it all.

Most people there are low level listers waiting to get their welfare beads.

Then they're in the right place. This is a welfare server where most of the players are on some kind of welfare.

[Solusekro]

The best solution to this whole thing is to leave the beads in game. It punishes everyone involved in this fiasco: the rogues, the people who bought them and the people who /listed.

Thank you

[wuanahto]

So the only rules against pickpocketing were introduced after the incident and the punishment was retroactive?

[loramin]

So the only rules against pickpocketing were introduced after the incident and the punishment was retroactive?

No, lists have been announced since before Green was even released (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2960116):


Lists
We would like players to have their fair shot at obtaining limited time items, and to that end we are devising a system for a server-kept 'list' of players in line to loot said item. Upon entering a zone or camp area, you will be able to enter a command to add yourself to the list for this item. While your name is on that list you must remain in the zone or camp vicinity until your name reaches the top (You'll have a limited time to re-enter the zone or area in case of disconnection). Once your name is up, and the item drops, you will automatically be granted exclusive permission to loot that item from the corpse. We hope this system will prevent the practice of passing camps and/or items to friends, corpsing additional items, and so on. We believe this should closely mimic how the majority of camps were handled in classic Everquest, and is the best solution to mechanically enforce it. More details about this system will be announced prior to launch.

[loramin]

And just before anyone says "but it wasn't in the rules", our PnP have long had "10. You may not disrupt the normal playability of a zone or area." and "12. You may not abuse other players or Project 1999 Staff.". Although neither mentions /list exploits specifically, they both clearly apply, and they also both say something to the effect of "This list is not all-inclusive. Other actions may be determined as abuse at the discretion of the P99CSR".

So yes, circumventing the /list system, or any other form of cheating the game at other players' expense, has always been against the rules here. But forget about the "letter of the law": if you're playing here, you're doing so at Rogean's, Nilbog's, and a whole lot of other people's expense. Our volunteer GMs, our development team, our server administrators ... they all spend a huge amounts of time just to make P99 possible. On top of that Rogean also spends his own money to help keep the servers up (he's mentioned in the past that donations don't cover all the costs).

It's amazing that, because of all them, we get to play this great game for free! So if you're going to come here, after all those people put in all that effort, and try to argue that you didn't know what you were doing was wrong ... honestly just GTFO, you ungrateful cheat.

[Bhairava]

the list is for the right to 'fight' the mob though, it's not a guarantee of loot.

they still got the mob, nobody ksed it from them.

in other words, rule lawyering down to the fine print to defend the server from having anything interesting or fun ever

[Bhairava]

loramin more like lame-amin haha

[Ennewi]

the list is for the right to 'fight' the mob though, it's not a guarantee of loot.

they still got the mob, nobody ksed it from them.

in other words, rule lawyering down to the fine print to defend the server from having anything interesting or fun ever

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162956

[Pulgasari]

loramin more like lame-amin haha

I like how he gestures vaguely at an argument then takes redoubt in mastery. :p

[loramin]

I like how he gestures vaguely at an argument then takes redoubt in mastery. :p

There was nothing vague about it. I literally spelled out the multiple rules they violated (a completely stand-alone argument on its own) ...

... and then I offered a second argument: regardless of the rules, the /list exploiters are basically doing this to Rogean's, Nilbog's, and the rest of the staff's couch server:

https://i.imgur.com/CzfqCRV.jpg

[Pulgasari]

There was nothing vague about it. I literally spelled out the multiple rules they violated (a completely stand-alone argument on its own) ...

... and then I offered a second argument: regardless of the rules, the /list exploiters are basically doing this to Rogean's, Nilbog's, and the rest of the staff's couch server:

https://i.imgur.com/CzfqCRV.jpg

If your first argument is so sound, why do you need a second?

https://i.imgur.com/k2icHfX.gif

[Bhairava]

loramin posting the N-word in rnf, wow yikes

[Bhairava]

galach, you know what to do

[Ennewi]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252957

If your picking pockets, the NPCs at least ought to have pockets to pick from, either that or be marsupials; flying monkeys don't meet these immersive requirements. The ability isn't called "strip-search".

What would have made the class ability more MMO-friendly is if there was a second, otherwise inaccessible loot table that rogues could have tried to steal from. A certain amount of coin tucked away. A prized possession expertly concealed. Only rogues would have the skills to find such things, even on corpses. If successful, rogues would have had the option to share the wealth or hold onto every last copper, left ear, etc. Without that distinction, the ability is just...

I Drink Your Milkshake! (https://youtu.be/s_hFTR6qyEo)

[Pulgasari]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252957

If your picking pockets, the NPCs at least ought to have pockets to pick from, either that or be marsupials; flying monkeys don't meet these immersive requirements. The ability isn't called "strip-search".

What would have made the class ability more MMO-friendly is if there was a second, otherwise inaccessible loot table that rogues could have tried to steal from. A certain amount of coin tucked away. A prized possession expertly concealed. Only rogues would have the skills to find such things, even on corpses. If successful, rogues would have had the option to share the wealth or hold onto every last copper, left ear, etc. Without that distinction, the ability is just...

I Drink Your Milkshake! (https://youtu.be/s_hFTR6qyEo)

Apes are “humanoids” in that they're animals who are similar to humans in structure and function.

[Ennewi]

If you're picking pockets

Also, an advanced form of the ability would have added more to the RPG side of things, with pick pocket opening a bag with items inside. The more valuable the item, the greater the risk of being caught in the act and pulling aggro.

[Ennewi]

Apes are “humanoids” in that they're animals who are similar to humans in structure and function.

Holgresh aren't wearing clothes and the beads aren't shown to be hanging from their necks, where any rogue could snatch them off cleanly. So unless custom content allows rogues to skill up in proctology, they're shit out of luck.

[Pulgasari]

Holgresh aren't wearing clothes and the beads aren't shown to be hanging from their necks, where any rogue could snatch them off cleanly. So unless custom content allows rogues to skill up in proctology, they're shit out of luck.

A naked elf is still a humanoid and can be stolen from. A harry naked elf could easily conceal a small necklace without entering the exit.

[Ennewi]

A naked elf is still a humanoid and can be stolen from.

Naked elves are still dressed in their skivvies.

A harry naked elf could easily conceal a small necklace without entering the exit.

Maybe, but most of the attempts you would end up with...

https://wiki.project1999.com/Clump_of_Gorilla_Hair
https://wiki.project1999.com/Lock_of_Hair

And the occasional...

https://wiki.project1999.com/Wild_One_Wig

[kauvian]

https://i.imgur.com/NqQZxwL.gif

[kauvian]

https://i.imgur.com/ByG0ntI.gif

[Pulgasari]

Naked elves are still dressed in their skivvies.


...naked elves do not exist.

Resolved.

[Pulgasari]

https://i.imgur.com/on2dciQ.jpg

[Videri]

which rogues got banned?

Coitis Interruptus/Interruptis and Ishpan.

GMs will not generally discuss player punishments with other players.

[Nirgon]

banned for pick pocket

[Ravager]

loramin more like lame-amin haha
Fuck off noob. Loramin has done way more for this server then you ever will and you're enjoying the fruits of his labor without doing shit to earn it.

[Ripqozko]

loramin more like lame-amin haha

[CancerMage]

banned for pick pocket

kek.

[Bhairava]

Fuck off noob. Loramin has done way more for this server then you ever will and you're enjoying the fruits of his labor without doing shit to earn it.

who says i'm """enjoying""" p99 at all nowadays

[Bhairava]

THANK YOU FOR UR SERVICE LORAMIN.... WITHOUT U, P99 WOULD BE 1% LESS CLASSIC THAN IT IS (CUSTOM SERVER)

[Ravager]

who says i'm """enjoying""" p99 at all nowadays

Fair point.

[Gustoo]

I think some of the 600+ players are enjoying it.

Theres like 20 people on messageboard complaining non stop.

Others are busy loving the classicest everquest you can get this side of 2001.

[loramin]

THANK YOU FOR UR SERVICE LORAMIN.... WITHOUT U, P99 WOULD BE 1% LESS CLASSIC THAN IT IS (CUSTOM SERVER)

https://i.imgur.com/d3Os2lG.gif

(Also thanks Ravager :))

[Bhairava]

https://i.imgur.com/d3Os2lG.gif

(Also thanks Ravager :))

https://i.imgur.com/xlT6PJx.jpg

[Graahle]

TAKP is more classic.

Get mad

[Clazxiss]

If you guys are curious why the server populations are lower than normal, it's not due to the "non-classic" mechanics. I would say Final Fantasy 14 is officially making its dent in every online community.

[loramin]

If you guys are curious why the server populations are lower than normal, it's not due to the "non-classic" mechanics. I would say Final Fantasy 14 is officially making its dent in every online community.

I just read an article the other day about how it was kicking the crap out of WoW (as far as any one can tell: Activision doesn't release exact numbers). Of course WoW has had more than a few self-inflicted wounds also, but WoW players didn't have a good place to "jump ship" until FF14.

[loramin]

* good enough; obviously there were other competitors before FF14, but they haven't (again, as far as we can tell) had the same impact on WoW subscriptions.

[Danth]

* good enough; obviously there were other competitors before FF14, but they haven't (again, as far as we can tell) had the same impact on WoW subscriptions.

FF14 has been around awhile--it's not a new game. I think people switching to it has less to do with its mere existence, and more to do with folks being so uninterested in Warcraft's current content that alternatives formerly seen as inadequate now start to look like decent options.

TAKP is more classic.

Maybe. I've no arguments with respect to its build quality. Too bad it replicates an era of EQ that I detest. Glad the folks who like that era finally have a good option for it.

Danth

[Convict]

Maybe. I've no arguments with respect to its build quality. Too bad it replicates an era of EQ that I detest. Glad the folks who like that era finally have a good option for it.

Danth

there are aspects of it that are actually more classic than p99. The UI, loading screen, and many other aspects are more classic. But of course right now it has luclin and they threw in PoK and its books for ease of travel. Its still very custom content to me, not in a bad way, just custom.

P99 did what it could to make a "about as classic as it can get" server minus all the problems that come with bloated end game population fighting over very limited resources and a server built off the titanium client. At the time titanium was the easy option as anybody who followed EQclassic.org knows they have spent over a decade trying to rebuild the client off the trilogy discs and get a working server and it still hasn't happened.

[loramin]

there are aspects of it that are actually more classic than p99. The UI, loading screen, and many other aspects are more classic. But of course right now it has luclin and they threw in PoK and its books for ease of travel. Its still very custom content to me, not in a bad way, just custom.

P99 did what it could to make a "about as classic as it can get" server minus all the problems that come with bloated end game population fighting over very limited resources and a server built off the titanium client. At the time titanium was the easy option as anybody who followed EQclassic.org knows they have spent over a decade trying to rebuild the client off the trilogy discs and get a working server and it still hasn't happened.

Secrets will figure it out someday, I have faith ;)

But seriously, the fundamental thing that will always make TakP unclassic is the boxing. If you played on live from '99-'01 you probably didn't know anyone at all who boxed. Maybe you happened to know one rich person who already had two computers sitting side by side, and could afford two phone lines and two EQ accounts ... but the vast vast majority didn't.

The only people really boxing back then were those who played in computer gaming centers, schools, or other places where a bunch of computers with Internet connections were already in the same place ... and even then it wasn't one guy with multiple accounts so much as friends using each other's accounts.

P99 doesn't emulate that perfectly: instead of live's maybe 0.5%-1% of players boxing, we have (ostensibly) 0% ... but it will always be a million times more classic than TakP's "everyone is playing three accounts at once" system.

[Fammaden]

Secrets will figure it out someday, I have faith ;)

But seriously, the fundamental thing that will always make TakP unclassic is the boxing. If you played on live from '99-'01 you probably didn't know anyone at all who boxed. Maybe you happened to know one rich person who already had two computers sitting side by side, and could afford two phone lines and two EQ accounts ... but the vast vast majority didn't.

The only people really boxing back then were those who played in computer gaming centers, schools, or other places where a bunch of computers with Internet connections were already in the same place ... and even then it wasn't one guy with multiple accounts so much as friends using each other's accounts.

P99 doesn't emulate that perfectly: instead of live's maybe 0.5%-1% of players boxing, we have (ostensibly) 0% ... but it will always be a million times more classic than TakP's "everyone is playing three accounts at once" system.

Somewhat disagree, I knew a number of people on Saryrn that two boxed in that era, but mostly they were tank mains who had a pocket cleric or general melee mains with pocket druid. It wasn't super widespread but it wasn't as rare as you describe.

I do agree that it was nothing like TAKP where the vast majority seems to triple box just because they can.