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[JDFriend99]

Elder Holgresh being pickpocketed by rogues, who knows how many, parking in /list and stealing all day long from those working hard for it and pulling for 15-20 hrs on end.

The list times went from 25-30hs to 60 hrs approx 10 days ago so one would stand to reason when we were blaming a nerf snuck in that they were the culprits for wasting all the listers time via stealing beads off elders.

One instance i myself had was 69 elders before a bead drop over 18 hrs of no drop.

I know others have had 24 hrs no drop.

This would need investigation or a formal apology from staff for this occuring to those trying legitimately to gain #1 and get beads.

Looking for staff to address this comment. Confirm or deny. As many of us especially myself are highly pissed off. I have devoted 85 hrs in 3 failed attempts to get to #1. Over the span of the last 5 days.

[drackgon]

From p99 wiki on Pickpocket skill

A few critical notes on pick pocketing:

"You can't Pickpocket with attack on.
You can't pickpocket magic items. That excludes a lot."

So your being trolled good person hard. Your lack of sleep is making you easy to troll. Beads are a magical item YOU CANNOT pickpock magic items.

[Izmael]

Beads are not flagged as MAGIC ITEM, just LORE.

[galach]

We are working on an investigation to see who circumvented the /list and how much it was abused. I can't speak on any punishment or what might be done with the beads until Rog/Bog give their comments.

[Fang]

I highly doubt that server staff would go to all the trouble of hard coding a /list system into the game for a specific item and be totally fine with rogues pick pocketing that item outside of the /list loot mechanic.

[Jibartik]

EQ in a nutshell:

rogues: we get something??

server: just stop

[Gustoo]

All rogue thieves should get to keep their ill gotten gains because thats what thieves are supposed to do.

Guys that were on list and cucked out could also get some beads made for them to be pals.

Then disable list
then enable pvp
and then don't tell anyone, but make the elder beads drop forever to ultimately screw the people who are harvesting the pixels.

hehhheee

[sajbert]

Agreed. This is hilarious.

[Smoofers]

Imagine crying about a classic mechanic and demanding an apology from volunteers

[Izmael]

I would agree with letting the scoundrels keep it and salute their mischievouness if I hadn't spent ~50 hours on that very /list in order to get a pair of beads, wondering why do they drop so fucking rarely. What's the fucking drop percentage, like 2% ?

So yeah, don't permaban the poor fucks. We'd all do the same if we had the idea. But nuke their items (and RIP those who bought some beads for cheap lately).

[Fang]

[Tue Jul 13 02:38:52 2021] an elder holgresh says 'Stop Thief! <Coitis>'
[Tue Jul 13 02:50:03 2021] a holgresh conjurer says 'Stop Thief! <Ishpan>'
[Tue Jul 13 03:02:47 2021] a holgresh conjurer says 'Stop Thief! <Ishpan>'
[Tue Jul 13 03:06:56 2021] a holgresh conjurer says 'Stop Thief! <Coitis>'
[Tue Jul 13 23:46:59 2021] an elder holgresh says 'Stop Thief! <Coitis>'
[Tue Jul 13 23:51:02 2021] an elder holgresh says 'Stop Thief! <Coitis>'

I checked my logs from while I was camping beads and Coitis was present in zone for all 55+ hours from start to finish. He was there when I got there and still there when I left. My client does a /who query every time I press left or right, so I have a lot of /who log data. Most people either left the zone at some point before I did, or arrived after I did.

[JDFriend99]

We are working on an investigation to see who circumvented the /list and how much it was abused. I can't speak on any punishment or what might be done with the beads until Rog/Bog give their comments.

TY galach, hope it ends well for those trying legit.

I for one have been with 5-10 people over last 6 days busting ASS to get lines moving only to fail because of faked dry spells.

I hope they see the darkside of screens.

[JDFriend99]

Imagine crying about a classic mechanic and demanding an apology from volunteers

all these new forum accts and players should be banned for being new from other games. End of story.

[JDFriend99]

[Tue Jul 13 02:38:52 2021] an elder holgresh says 'Stop Thief! <Coitis>'
[Tue Jul 13 02:50:03 2021] a holgresh conjurer says 'Stop Thief! <Ishpan>'
[Tue Jul 13 03:02:47 2021] a holgresh conjurer says 'Stop Thief! <Ishpan>'
[Tue Jul 13 03:06:56 2021] a holgresh conjurer says 'Stop Thief! <Coitis>'
[Tue Jul 13 23:46:59 2021] an elder holgresh says 'Stop Thief! <Coitis>'
[Tue Jul 13 23:51:02 2021] an elder holgresh says 'Stop Thief! <Coitis>'

I checked my logs from while I was camping beads and Coitis was present in zone for all 55+ hours from start to finish. He was there when I got there and still there when I left. My client does a /who query every time I press left or right, so I have a lot of /who log data. Most people either left the zone at some point before I did, or arrived after I did.

Fang I'm semi assuming I saw you in ooc originating the discovery so ahead of others TY for catching this and hopefully it'll end poorly for all of them.

[JDFriend99]

This is only a slight indicator of the type of people they are in Real life and hence why i shit on them in the game about their real life.

Poor excuses for human beings -cant even win at the 21 yr old elf sim, gotta cheat or bend rules to win.

It's 21 yrs old brother, if you cant manage to win legit, then you suck more then anyone ive ever graced and why you even log in perplexes me.

[Fang]

[Mon Jul 19 14:16:56 2021] an elder holgresh says 'Stop Thief! <Ishpan>'

Here's another one that I found in my logs.

Both Ishpan and Coitis have been in the Wakening Lands the entire time I've been there, from start to finish. Still, I don't have a single log of them participating in any chat. Just attacks, critical pick pocket fails, and /who queries. I'll keep digging through my logs when I get some time later.

[strongNpretty]

Details- What guild these 2 hail from? I must know.... Leak the deets.

[sonicjoose]

I'm pretty sure they are just leveling their pickpocketing case closed

[Smoofers]

This is only a slight indicator of the type of people they are in Real life and hence why i shit on them in the game about their real life.

Poor excuses for human beings -cant even win at the 21 yr old elf sim, gotta cheat or bend rules to win.

It's 21 yrs old brother, if you cant manage to win legit, then you suck more then anyone ive ever graced and why you even log in perplexes me.

Exactly which rule did they bend?

[Sonderbeast]

One instance i myself had was 69 elders before a bead drop


hehehehehe

[Taiku]

Stop Thief!

[Pulgasari]

Norrath needs villains.

[Jungleberry]

Exactly which rule did they bend?

It circumvents /list, like Galach said.

[Scalem]

From p99 wiki on Pickpocket skill

A few critical notes on pick pocketing:

"You can't Pickpocket with attack on.
You can't pickpocket magic items. That excludes a lot."

So your being trolled good person hard. Your lack of sleep is making you easy to troll. Beads are a magical item YOU CANNOT pickpock magic items.

How does it feel to be so wrong?

[JDFriend99]

Exactly which rule did they bend?

the list system as posted by rogean for nastiness, carries over to here. Only the player at #1 may loot xx item.

by doing what they did for a week not only ruined the system but it costed many of us tons of hours wasted.

ie interference with both players time and the rule set forth by rogean on list items.

you know he's kinda big here, kinda runs shit.

those two rules.

[JDFriend99]

hehehehehe

how's that funny fat face?

[Solist]

The list system is really, really flawed.

It was implimented to stop handing camps over between people/guildies.

Glad to see it broken by such a simple mechanic. Having spent over 200hrs at manastones including a failed afk check 52? hours in I can sympathise more than most people, but your anger should be at the poor mechanic design, not those playing smarter. You could have at any stage levelled a rogue with bonechips and ran him there to PP beads in 3 hours tops.

Reality is they should never drop in the first place. Make a new server, at current end of blue timeline, with zero legacy items, and no handouts from GM's. None of this nonsense to contend with in the first place.

[Jeni]

This is so unfair that rogues can just pick pocket the beads, I would have already had mine but I needed a quick power nap after 32 hours and my stupid mom didn't pay enough attention and missed an afk check.

[JDFriend99]

Piss on the hate mongers. Ban them all. I'm already getting hate mails. You morons can't even play a game that is free without cheating. Dirt bag nerds. Ban them all.

[Sonderbeast]

how's that funny fat face?

I'm doing well thanks for asking friend.

[greenspectre]

Didn't this happen with fungi tunics on live until they were made MAGIC?

[JayDee]

WTB powerlevel for new melee alt

[chevy79bu]

This is so unfair that rogues can just pick pocket the beads, I would have already had mine but I needed a quick power nap after 32 hours and my stupid mom didn't pay enough attention and missed an afk check.

Holy shit I really hope this is a joke...

[Nexii]

The list system is really, really flawed.

It was implimented to stop handing camps over between people/guildies.

Glad to see it broken by such a simple mechanic. Having spent over 200hrs at manastones including a failed afk check 52? hours in I can sympathise more than most people, but your anger should be at the poor mechanic design, not those playing smarter. You could have at any stage levelled a rogue with bonechips and ran him there to PP beads in 3 hours tops.

Reality is they should never drop in the first place. Make a new server, at current end of blue timeline, with zero legacy items, and no handouts from GM's. None of this nonsense to contend with in the first place.

Agree would love to see a P99 Black.
No legacy items.
1 account per IP.
No logging onto others accounts.

Would be far more classic

[cd288]

Agree would love to see a P99 Black.
No legacy items.
1 account per IP.
No logging onto others accounts.

Would be far more classic

Preventing account sharing is essentially impossible

[Bardp1999]

This is only a slight indicator of the type of people they are in Real life and hence why i shit on them in the game about their real life.

Poor excuses for human beings -cant even win at the 21 yr old elf sim, gotta cheat or bend rules to win.

It's 21 yrs old brother, if you cant manage to win legit, then you suck more then anyone ive ever graced and why you even log in perplexes me.

Win legit? You are literally standing in a line for 55 hours killing a lvl 35 monster ad nauseam with 0 danger.

Sounds like total bull shit to punish people who figured out how to game the system using 100% legal methods.

[Smoofers]

Win legit? You are literally standing in a line for 55 hours killing a lvl 35 monster ad nauseam with 0 danger.

Sounds like total bull shit to punish people who figured out how to game the system using 100% legal methods.

Agreed

[Shac]

honestly isn't this just rogues being rogues, your hard work means nothing, you picked the wrong class.

Preventing account sharing is essentially impossible

impossible?

cant you just check ip, if a new login comes in and it pings halfway around the world in <5m it's an account being shared.

[fastboy21]

I vote the rogues get to keep their beads, but receive a 1-way transfer to Red...or whatever that chinese EQ server is called, that works too.

[fastboy21]

honestly isn't this just rogues being rogues, your hard work means nothing, you picked the wrong class.



impossible?

cant you just check ip, if a new login comes in and it pings halfway around the world in <5m it's an account being shared.

He is mostly correct...but, there are ways to make it much harder and riskier. If nothing else they'd occasionally get to publicly ban a few dozen players and the rest of the server gets to read their crocodile tears in RNF...but it does actually dissuade bad behavior in the future.

Same way we dealt with platlord and others...just because it is impossible to stop all RMT doesn't mean you don't clamp down every once in a while to remind folks of the rules and consequences.

[Jimjam]

We are working on an investigation to see who circumvented the /list and how much it was abused. I can't speak on any punishment or what might be done with the beads until Rog/Bog give their comments.

Let them keep them. Other classes can solo dragons, can churn through xp mobs. Rogue can’t even green xp really. Let them have this one brief window to get a big ticket item.

[Tilien]

honestly isn't this just rogues being rogues, your hard work means nothing, you picked the wrong class.



impossible?

cant you just check ip, if a new login comes in and it pings halfway around the world in <5m it's an account being shared.

You can use screen sharing to just remotely control the original logged in computer. You could have a dozen different people take turns without having to camp out once.

[cd288]

honestly isn't this just rogues being rogues, your hard work means nothing, you picked the wrong class.



impossible?

cant you just check ip, if a new login comes in and it pings halfway around the world in <5m it's an account being shared.

People will just spoof the IP and machine ID to make it look like they're on the same comp/internet connection

[Bardp1999]

Some guilds have 10+ people working in shifts to literally monitor spawns 24/7 via screen share and the admins wonder why the server is hyper nerd rage autists. When you lose a mob(s) you are losing sometimes hundreds of hours of manhours - makes the neckbeards salty.

#No variance

[Trexller]

We are working on an investigation to see who circumvented the /list and how much it was abused. I can't speak on any punishment or what might be done with the beads until Rog/Bog give their comments.

nice rog-bog went mainstream!

you're welcome, EverQuest!

[RevSaber]

So did they decide yet? Root all mobs!

[Geomance22]

mean spirited autist spergs have rendered this project an unplayable mess, this is a private server, unpleasant retards should just get perma banned

[drackgon]

from what I've heard the 2 rogues on that account were perma banned. Though I don't think it bans IP. Or sadly those who clearly helped rogues, Ie rogue pickpocked and hands to X to hand to banker/trader.

[Graahle]

This would need investigation or a formal apology from staff for this occuring to those trying legitimately to gain #1 and get beads.

Looking for staff to address this comment. Confirm or deny. As many of us especially myself are highly pissed off. I have devoted 85 hrs in 3 failed attempts to get to #1. Over the span of the last 5 days.

lmao an apology? Come down on that high horse. 85 hours over 5 days? Seek help.

This server is a joke compared to what it used to be. All you 2019 people who have no context for how things were and have no appreciation for what this community was have completely killed the spirit of this shit. This isn't "Classic" anymore. Hasn't been for a long time. But all you people who just started with green are fucked up, you're all psychopaths who don't give a single fuck about community, about other people enjoying themselves or having a good time, you only care about yourself and excluding everyone else. The complete disrespect you show to the cooperation it took to find unclassic shit and then find evidence to the contrary is disgusting. We stand on the shoulders of those people who dedicated their time and energy to help Nilb/Rog build this and you all can't even behave like adults, you have to shit all over everything and destroy it.

This community is dead.

You neckbeards fucking killed it.

If staff isn't capable of growing a pair of balls and actually moderating this server, banning people who should have been banned years ago, then you can fuck off too. At least Sirken gave a shit about the server and was willing to ban people. who misbehaved. This server is ran by manchildren now, people who bitch and moan and whine to get their way. Ban them. Can't act like an adult? Ban them. Cry in UN discord because you're a barely functioning adult who has to get their way (Seal Team?) Ban them.

Every single time you let people get away with this shit you make it worse, reinforcing this shitty behavior. The staff needs to step the fuck up or step the fuck down. Lastly, /list is bullshittedly unclassic, remove it, how the fuck can you say "Experience classic everquest!" and in the same breath say "Rooted Dragons and 16 hour variance and /list mechanics and you cant pickpocket with a Rogue and---" What the fucks the matter with you? Jesus christ.

[HalflingSpergand]

Dear diary im real mayud

[hannahgrams]

i think you should play a dwarven cleric because of the resurrection ability

[JDFriend99]

You can use screen sharing to just remotely control the original logged in computer. You could have a dozen different people take turns without having to camp out once.

then make the code not accept it, with a block to external access.

[JDFriend99]

mean spirited autist spergs have rendered this project an unplayable mess, this is a private server, unpleasant retards should just get perma banned

Just keep Perma banning eventually they run out of shared bought accounts.

[Tilien]

then make the code not accept it, with a block to external access.

I think that's more complicated than you think (or more expensive, if you want to avoid the ground up solution).

Even Netflix (as an example) does not have a 100% fool proof solution. They have a solution which is illegal to bypass, but it *is*bypassable.

[Bardp1999]

So it's been over a week - any GM update?

[Graahle]

Move on. This is old news.

[Ravager]

They probably shouldn't have been pocket pickable in the first place. Holgresh aren't humanoid.

[blindedsoul]

Please patch the item to be magic so rogues cannot pickpocket it or a log of bans of people stealing from others who waited on the list / helped.

Skipping a line where people spend 40+ hours is going to cause some extreme conflict.

If shadow banning would prefer players banned for cheating / exploiting other players time and effort be available listed publicly to dissuade people from doing it in the future/ less future gm involvement

[Vizax_Xaziv]

All rogue thieves should get to keep their ill gotten gains because thats what thieves are supposed to do.

Guys that were on list and cucked out could also get some beads made for them to be pals.

Then disable list
then enable pvp
and then don't tell anyone, but make the elder beads drop forever to ultimately screw the people who are harvesting the pixels.

hehhheee
Nobody wants EQ PVP anymore. That's the why the SINGLE live pvp server (Zek) has been dead since about 2006.

[drackgon]

BC EQ really doenst have PVP. Its why whichever company owns EQ atm. Needs to redo hte game IE EQ next. Which sadly won't ever happen.

[Batty]

Sounds like total bull shit to punish people who figured out how to game the system using 100% legal methods.

Going around /list system is not 100% legal methods.

[Jimjam]

Going around /list system is not 100% legal methods.

Buying legacy items with pp illegal.

[Izmael]

Buying legacy items with pp illegal.

wat?

I bought a Manastone in 2000 on the Saryrn server, in North Freeport, for 20k pp exactly. Still have it!

I log on live once every maybe 3-4 years just to contemplate it then log out until further notice.

[Jimjam]

wat?

I bought a Manastone in 2000 on the Saryrn server, in North Freeport, for 20k pp exactly. Still have it!

I log on live once every maybe 3-4 years just to contemplate it then log out until further notice.

Sorry mate, buying items is clearly circumventing the list system as per Batty’s post illegal. Sorry about the incoming ban ;).

[RevSaber]

wat?

I bought a Manastone in 2000 on the Saryrn server, in North Freeport, for 20k pp exactly. Still have it!

I log on live once every maybe 3-4 years just to contemplate it then log out until further notice.

Does your mom know that shes been paying your everquest account for 22 years?

[Izmael]

Live EQ has been free to play for the last 18 years or so, so nope.