Deciphering Combat Stats on P99

[meathook]

Hi guys,

one of my passion projects over the last few months has been figuring out how combat stats work on P99. Here is the link to my findings:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RnFwQIJVbk8oPU1-X7UHWiWGyoVWvZTZ/view

I am asking the community to help me add to it. If you have any questions or comments, please let me know.

Cheers!

[Graahle]

Inb4 meme comment about Red.

This looks DOPE dude. Can’t wait to delve into this.

[penelopee2013]

This is good and well thought out. Just for understanding that data better, can you please write down what your X and Y axis is on the graph? Like directly below the x and y axis. I know that you describe what the x and y axis is, would just be easier to see it on the graph to get a better understanding of the data.

Also, how many replicates did you have? Im assuming you didnt use the data from just 3 different cliff golems at different STR levels right? If so, can you increase replicates? Might be interesting to see if the data holds up over multiple cliff golems.

Overall well done, thanks for the primer.

[mrybczyn]

Sweet! Thank you for the data analysis - and looking forward to the AoW parse results :-)

[tadkins]

This is going to be an interesting read through, thanks for the link and the work you put into it.

As an example, I was wondering recently how useful this (https://wiki.project1999.com/Stonemelder%27s_Band) would be for actual tanking. Does the AC overwrite the massive agility loss? Have had plenty of questions like that in the past.

[Baler]

I wish someone would write a detailed math breakdown how
ATK = Math foruma
Def = Math Foruma

I still am in belief that the number shown on p99 is not accurate due to titanium client.

(yeah I know eqemu github code has this math but that's not specifically geared to p99 code)

Edit: PDF takes info directly from the wiki,. which appreciates the info i've continued to pras,..
P99 wiki is the #1 source of classic ERA ACCURATE information on the internet. I take pride in this.

[Darkplague]

So does that mean that this item is not as trash as it looks does on the surface, assuming you have "Ok" AGI/DEX in general and are not into PVP and heavily reliant on Procs for agro/utility?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Stonemelder%27s_Band

Always wondered if it was worth giving up that much AGI/DEX for AC.

[nagarpoe]

Very well done, OP!

Very well presented and makes newbs like me be able to understand this game a bit better. Thank you for all your efforts

[Local]

Meathook is the GOAT.

[Baler]

Meathook has dragged my corpse out of VP, he is a decent dude.

[Ragaroth]

Awesome work on this

[zelld52]

This is an awesome dump of info and research and a great read - ty much

[Ashenden]

I've always found this page about TAKP stats really interesting http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=40543

[Tunabros]

Meathook has dragged my corpse out of VP, he is a decent dude.

still on the hunt on who baler is in game

[Ashenden]

Finished reading it, was a cool writeup. I'd love to see a mitigation comparison between an Iksar and non-Iksar Warrior at above soft cap someday.

[meathook]

This is good and well thought out. Just for understanding that data better, can you please write down what your X and Y axis is on the graph? Like directly below the x and y axis. I know that you describe what the x and y axis is, would just be easier to see it on the graph to get a better understanding of the data.

Also, how many replicates did you have? Im assuming you didnt use the data from just 3 different cliff golems at different STR levels right? If so, can you increase replicates? Might be interesting to see if the data holds up over multiple cliff golems.

Overall well done, thanks for the primer.


I will add the labels. Thank you.

Regarding the number of golems... I wouldn't look at it as how many golems I tested it on, rather the number of hits (in the case of STR) that registered. If you kill 100 bats in FP it doesn't really matter cause the number of hits on those is so low to not have an adequate sample. I basically parsed enough of the variable I was interested in to feel confident sampling error is minimized. I didn't put it in the primer, but for STR I also parsed against another monk, and that parse went for about 15 minutes using 9/16 weapons with near max haste. The number of hits was large enough to give me confidence. The results also matched my Cliff Golem results.

[cd288]

still on the hunt on who baler is in game

Baler literally has a character named Baler

[Bardp1999]

Yikes

[Tunabros]

how did baler get a trak tooth if he doesn't use discord and raid

[cd288]

This is great stuff btw OP. Would love to get more clarity on AC. I.e. does the soft cap mean both worn/spell and natural AC? Or is that just a soft cap for worn AC and your natural AC will always work fully?

[ewjax]

Very nice, thank you for doing this!

I seem to recall back on Live, where I played a ranger, that the equations for max / magic hit numbers for BOWS was essentially the same as presented here, except replace STR with DEX.

What I can't remember is if that was true from the beginning or a later change. Do you have any information on whether that is true on P99?

[cd288]

Very nice, thank you for doing this!

I seem to recall back on Live, where I played a ranger, that the equations for max / magic hit numbers for BOWS was essentially the same as presented here, except replace STR with DEX.

What I can't remember is if that was true from the beginning or a later change. Do you have any information on whether that is true on P99?

I'm guessing no one has looked into parsing that because bows aren't a viable source of DPS regardless

[matticas]

Great point, I'd love to see bow parse numbers worked out. How does DEX, STR, bow stats, Trueshot disc, and whatever else affect dps with a bow?

[Tricket]

Hi guys,
I am asking the community to help me add to it. If you have any questions or comments, please let me know.


Hail.

A note for Bards and DEX. In addition to frequency of weapon proc and (allegedly) increasing the rate at which weapon skills increase, DEX also reduces the chances of a Bard's note being 'missed' and ending the song.

This is noted in the Wiki for Bards (https://wiki.project1999.com/Bard), where I did a simple 100-song test with and without equipment. As I explained there:

"In a test comparing 100 songs on a 60 bard with 100 base DEX, 7 notes were missed. On geared 167 total DEX, 131 songs before a single note was missed."

Hope this helps.

T

[Zwieback]

you need help!

Hi guys,

one of my passion projects over the last few months has been figuring out how combat stats work on P99. Here is the link to my findings:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RnFwQIJVbk8oPU1-X7UHWiWGyoVWvZTZ/view

I am asking the community to help me add to it. If you have any questions or comments, please let me know.

Cheers!

[Dokuton]

Meat, thank you so much for providing this to the community. I've been wanting a nerd to provide results like this for ages! Looking forward to any future findings, especially AC tests. If Iksar racial AC at 60 (35ac?) is adding upwards of 7%+ mitigation, that's a pretty significant bump and could really challenge the Ogre is best debates.

[Wharfrat]

Hi guys,

one of my passion projects over the last few months has been figuring out how combat stats work on P99. Here is the link to my findings:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RnFwQIJVbk8oPU1-X7UHWiWGyoVWvZTZ/view

I am asking the community to help me add to it. If you have any questions or comments, please let me know.

Cheers!

[Wharfrat]

Just one comment.
Thank you!

[Skuz]

Prolly safe to say CHA is a dead stat as well.

[greenspectre]

I just wanted to jump in here and point out that the PDF has a line:

Here is my parse of a cliff golem beating me off

I have so many questions.

[Arvan]

Interesting. You should do the ac tests with npcs tho not a player monk. Esp. mobs that are all diff con colors.

[Sammyboy]

I will add the labels. Thank you.

Regarding the number of golems... I wouldn't look at it as how many golems I tested it on, rather the number of hits (in the case of STR) that registered. If you kill 100 bats in FP it doesn't really matter cause the number of hits on those is so low to not have an adequate sample. I basically parsed enough of the variable I was interested in to feel confident sampling error is minimized. I didn't put it in the primer, but for STR I also parsed against another monk, and that parse went for about 15 minutes using 9/16 weapons with near max haste. The number of hits was large enough to give me confidence. The results also matched my Cliff Golem results.

[Danger]

pvp math makes me so aroused

[Nomadic Plainswalker]

This might just be the best thing ever posted here. Thank you.

[Trexller]

Prolly safe to say CHA is a dead stat as well.

can someone do the math workup on CHA and Charm?

so that i may further dominate on my blue ench.

long live p99 enchanters!

[meathook]

So does that mean that this item is not as trash as it looks does on the surface, assuming you have "Ok" AGI/DEX in general and are not into PVP and heavily reliant on Procs for agro/utility?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Stonemelder%27s_Band

Always wondered if it was worth giving up that much AGI/DEX for AC.

You are the second person to ask about this earring, probably because its a good case study of the trade-off between different stats. But yes, your understanding is correct.

Based on my parses, the 18 AC will probably be material for tanking, especially since its an ear item. The AGI loss probably wont be noticeable if you have enough (I would say mid 100s), and the DEX loss won't really matter if you aren't interested in proc rate, or PvP.

[Beckoning]

Thanks for taking the time to compile this - very interesting!