Ogre warrior

[Tereon]

Hi guyzzz. I never play eq.

1st toon will be war.

Should I do ogre or barbarian guyszsz?

Ty

[the penitent thief]

I'm a bit biased, but I think barbarian warriors look the snazziest. The ogre warrior is objectively the best choice from a min/max perspective due to frontal stun immunity & their ridiculously high stamina & strength.

This is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game, and I believe you should pick a class/race combination that suits you based on the lore of the world or what looks the coolest.

Good luck and happy hunting!

[jolanar]

If you've never played EQ before, I would recommend Barbarian over Ogre. It will make the learning curve a lot easier.

[Andyman1022]

Iksar necro is the best first toon for someone who has never played imo.

[Snaggles]

Barb is going to be easier with less places that hate you and more places you won’t have problems fitting. Nice thing is you can train almost anywhere so if going that route I’d find a port out of Everfrost and never go back. My wiz is bound there and can help; send “Chapman” a /tell in game.

[Allishia]

Dark elf /nod

[DeathsSilkyMist]

First toon shouldn't be warrior honestly. If you want to play a melee class as your first char you should go Shadowknight, Paladin, or Monk. Any of those classes will be more dynamic and are able to farm for money to fund your main or alts.

If you are dead set on warrior and must pick between Ogre and Barb, I would go Ogre. Both are tall, so you will need shrink in both cases, but Ogres have better stats and a more conveniently located start area. They are evil, but honestly that is pretty easy to get around with a bit of research. While it is true Barbarians are kos in less cities, if you are truly running around Norrath blind and without a guide, you will still run in to plenty of KoS npcs just by chance.

[Crede]

Ogres are fugly, quit my ogre sk in the 50s because I just got tired of looking at him.

War race is all about fashion, go barb for sure. Being tall isn’t as bad when you’re not fat.

[Tunabros]

first toon (min/max wise) should be a class that could fam very well

warriors are pretty tough to in order to gear out and very expensive

I made a warrior twink recently and dropped about 40k on him

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Ogres are fugly, quit my ogre sk in the 50s because I just got tired of looking at him.

War race is all about fashion, go barb for sure. Being tall isn’t as bad when you’re not fat.

Ogres and Trolls look great IMO. Trolls have the best animation set in classic EQ hands down. To each his own:D

[demokatt]

hobbit

[myrddraal]

wood elf over all best fashion, dark elf has best hat.

[Allishia]

wood elf over all best fashion, dark elf has best hat.

Male woodelf is ok hat, the female hat is dreadful lol.

But dark elf is best fashion, cause the hat is a pretty important! It's not too late to reroll Griff :p

https://wiki.project1999.com/images/Sabers.jpg

[Tunabros]

just wet myself to that screenshot

fashion quest is A+

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Ogres and Trolls have a whole LOT to love.

https://i.imgur.com/2GMoFJu.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/So9yfle.jpeg

[Allishia]

Lmao yes they are cute too..in their own way..have to be shrunk though. Tiny ogres are adorable /nod

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Lmao yes they are cute too..in their own way..have to be shrunk though. Tiny ogres are adorable /nod

Agreed lol, they look like chonky gnomes.

[Deadfather]

Gnome or you will regret it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Gnome or you will regret it.

The 40% haste arms are awesome. My baby warrior is gnome.

[Keebz]

Halfling Warrior is unreasonably fun.

My Troll Warrior looks amazing and I'm a regen addict, but hide/sneak and fitting through doorways is actually awesome for QoL.

[jolanar]

As someone who needs to AFK a lot, Hide is invaluable on my warrior.

That's why I went with Dark Elf over Iksar or Troll.

I think in the long run though I might regret not going gnome for the haste.

[wagorf]

dont roll a sk/paladin if you want to tank, they can't farm for shit just like wars

once you war gets 52 evasive you will last 10x longer than hybrids

[DeathsSilkyMist]

dont roll a sk/paladin if you want to tank, they can't farm for shit just like wars

once you war gets 52 evasive you will last 10x longer than hybrids

Shadowknights can farm quite well. I funded my Shaman with my Shadowknight hehe. Shadowknights are built for killing guards with FD pulling and fear kiting. They are similar to necros in that regard, especially if you have a decent weapon.

Also, Shadowknights/Paladins are great group tanks if your focus isn't raiding with that character. Often times they are preferred in groups over warriors due to their reliable agro generation and snap agro.

[Crede]

dont roll a sk/paladin if you want to tank, they can't farm for shit just like wars

once you war gets 52 evasive you will last 10x longer than hybrids

This is completely false, I know some SKs who have made millions of pp soloing shit. Fd and willsappers go a long way.

[mattydef]

Male woodelf is ok hat, the female hat is dreadful lol.

But dark elf is best fashion, cause the hat is a pretty important! It's not too late to reroll Griff :p

https://wiki.project1999.com/images/Sabers.jpg

Female wood elf custom helm is arguably the best in the game.

[JackofSpade]

What are your goals? Long term raid level BIS is Wood elf > Half elf > Human (With bonus stat points dumped into cha). Ogre and barbarian are among your worst options.

If you are just into leveling, and potentially might do any dungeons, unless you can afford a cobalt bracer you should avoid the large races (ogre / troll / barb) like the plague.

Ultimately though it really doesn't make that much of a difference so pick a race you enjoy looking at and as you gear up, no race is game changing and the whole point is to have fun =)

[Allishia]

Female wood elf custom helm is arguably the best in the game.

Helm of rallos zek is bis though, that is the hat you end up wearing =P

[DeathsSilkyMist]

What are your goals? Long term raid level BIS is Wood elf > Half elf > Human (With bonus stat points dumped into cha). Ogre and barbarian are among your worst options.

If you are just into leveling, and potentially might do any dungeons, unless you can afford a cobalt bracer you should avoid the large races (ogre / troll / barb) like the plague.

Ultimately though it really doesn't make that much of a difference so pick a race you enjoy looking at and as you gear up, no race is game changing and the whole point is to have fun =)

Ogre wall for Tunare is needed in end game raid, so that is something to consider besides just maxing CHA. I rarely have issues with my Troll or Ogre getting through dungeons without shrink. Just takes a bit of game knowledge and positioning if there are any low ceiling areas. Also, shrink pots are like 100pp for 10 doses, and they last indefinitely as long as you stay in zone and don't die. Most of the time that is not a difficult feat.

[Snaggles]

For a new player probably worrying about BIS isn't an issue.

Realistically if you are trying to have the most hps per level with mediocre gear an ogre is a fine path; possibly the best one. You can stam cap any race with NTOV dragon loot but that's not for everyone (some people don't raid at all). Likewise I used to think Vindi was a casual guild target but it's the new mini-game for top tier raiders. An ogre can cap stamina with crusty armor and a shaman buff.

A dwarf or barbarian with points in stamina is also a nice platform for a new player. Getting stuck and not understanding the faction system are probably the leading causes of new player death. Being a gigantic wall of evil will make these two things painfully clear. At least finding your corpse is pretty easy with an ogre.

And yes, I know there are aspects of warrior'ing not just involving all the hps. Dex is important too. I still think having the most hps/level opens you up to making other decisions though. Plus proc gambling is fine when your game is casual...get someone to root stuff and help you out a bit. Whatever the race pick you gotta LOVE looking at it (so go with whatever you want) because it's a long road ahead even leveling to 50; a serious accomplishment for a newer player who might even find this game boring.

[Crede]

What are your goals? Long term raid level BIS is Wood elf > Half elf > Human (With bonus stat points dumped into cha). Ogre and barbarian are among your worst options.

If you are just into leveling, and potentially might do any dungeons, unless you can afford a cobalt bracer you should avoid the large races (ogre / troll / barb) like the plague.

Ultimately though it really doesn't make that much of a difference so pick a race you enjoy looking at and as you gear up, no race is game changing and the whole point is to have fun =)

Anyone seriously tested this that the 20 extra cha is a better min max than the iksar ac bonus?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Anyone seriously tested this that the 20 extra cha is a better min max than the iksar ac bonus?

Not really sure if it is realistically possible to test this without support from the dev team (being able to see the code and check their logs of the fight). The problem with AC as a raid tank is quite a few high end raid targets just don't care that much about it. That is why max HP is king. AoW is hitting you for 800 minimum iirc, so the margin for reduction is only 354 damage maximum per swing. When something is hitting you that hard, you might as well just assume bad luck and plan for always getting hit for the max damage.

A break in the CH chain is going to be much more detrimental than getting hit for an extra hundred damage or so per hit. If your raid is doing it's job, spot healers should be making up for that 354 damage anyway between CH's. That is why the CHA is nice, for that random divine intervention when the cheetos powder clogs one of your Cleric's CH macro.

Does the extra Iksar AC help? Of course it does, but the gains are probably quite small with the AC softcap. I doubt it is considerably better statistically than the extra CHA. You just get healed too much and too often for AC to matter that much. It is more a low probability luck save, like you happen to reduce an extra 100 damage 5 times in a row, and that happened to occur when a cleric was a bit slow on the chain, and you happened to have that extra 500 hp worth of gear to survive one more hit.

[jolanar]

I feel like the 'Charisma is the best end game stat' is a meme that people started taking a little too seriously.

I've seen some pretty convincing math that the Iksar AC bonus is very effective, especially when tanking multiple targets. But personally I would never be able to give up an unlimited invis clicky to play Iksar when it comes to warrior.

[Tunabros]

I feel like the 'Charisma is the best end game stat' is a meme that people started taking a little too seriously.

I've seen some pretty convincing math that the Iksar AC bonus is very effective, especially when tanking multiple targets. But personally I would never be able to give up an unlimited invis clicky to play Iksar when it comes to warrior.

charisma is needed for divine intervention. It's a must have for raids in Velious.

[Toxigen]

i wish my ogre war was a gnome or halfling

[demokatt]

Dunno why but when I compared soloing on gnome war with 40 extra haste from arms with my troll war on same level (46) it still felt troll was better in long run.. perhaps it was the regen.. or haste is not that great one would think.. both used same eq and rbb as belt haste

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Dunno why but when I compared soloing on gnome war with 40 extra haste from arms with my troll war on same level (46) it still felt troll was better in long run.. perhaps it was the regen.. or haste is not that great one would think.. both used same eq and rbb as belt haste

Yeah Haste is going to get better at higher levels, because your main hand damage bonus increases. At lower levels, especially if you already have fairly low delay weapons, it probably won't be as noticeable. There is also a haste cap in place, so levels 1-30 you can only get 50% haste max anyway. I know that isn't applicable to your 40ish characters, but that would be another reason why Haste didn't feel as good in the lower levels. Your 71% haste from arms + RBB was actually only 50%.

But yeah Regen and extra STR for more ATK is nothing to sneeze at. My first main on live was a Troll Warrior and I loved it.

[Snaggles]

Haste doesn’t feel as noticeable in the low levels because everything is easy. Mobs scale significantly in the 40’s especially outside classic content. Oggok bouncers to Grobb bashers for example almost double in hit points. Drolvarg ragers to ravishers is a world of difference.

Troll regen in the 40’s to low 50’s really isn’t much of a difference. Not like capping haste with clicks. Slam is nice as is the strength. Mostly the POV of looking down at a noble instead up at at one means a lot. It might be placebo effect but it does have an impact on your game.

[demokatt]

Yeah the regen is nice though if u are lazy ;) on gnome im using cobalt bp to heal but then I need to klick each 15 second and be standing. on troll I can just sit on my lazy butt for awhile.. from level 51 its pretty nice regen

[Deadfather]

Yeah the regen is nice though if u are lazy ;) on gnome im using cobalt bp to heal but then I need to klick each 15 second and be standing. on troll I can just sit on my lazy butt for awhile.. from level 51 its pretty nice regen

You can do a keyboard macro for BP heals. It works wonder for super fast afk regen without having to click bp every 15sec. Also gnome is superior to troll due to innate ability to wear cool glasses and wall vision. Just add fungi.

[Allishia]

You can do a keyboard macro for BP heals. It works wonder for super fast afk regen without having to click bp every 15sec. Also gnome is superior to troll due to innate ability to wear cool glasses and wall vision. Just add fungi.

Just fyi keyboard macros are not allowed on p99 and considered cheating :p

[Gustoo]

On rallos zek, any troll or ogre wrecked any elf and even dwarfs. The extra melee stats really make a difference at the lower levels when gearing is light. Always hitting for full maximum damage.

[Deadfather]

Just fyi keyboard macros are not allowed on p99 and considered cheating :p

Holy hell, where does it says this? I thought bards were always running multiple macros to ease their carpal syndrome.

[Jibartik]

I all I remember on rallos zek with literally any melee was hearing the fire spell sound randomly and then noticing that they were dead. :o

[Snaggles]

Holy hell, where does it says this? I thought bards were always running multiple macros to ease their carpal syndrome.

“5. You may not use third-party programs on Project 1999.

The use of any third-party programs on Project 1999, including but not limited to, Macroquest/Macroquest2(MQ/MQ2), ShowEQ(SEQ), or any other program that interacts with the Everquest Titanium Client, is strictly prohibited. Use of any third-party programs will be detected and will result in the permanent banning of your account(s). No exceptions will be made, and once a ban has been enacted for violation of this rule it will not be reversed.

This includes programmable keyboards or other devices that creates multiple inputs for a single keystroke or automated task.

Wineq2 by Lavishsoft is the exception to this rule. In addition, any program that strictly reads log files is acceptable. “

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325349

[Snaggles]

Using EQ custom text macros is fine. Just not programming a mouse/keyboard or 3rd party program.

[Toxigen]

Knowing that in the long haul gear will overcome any race stat advantages....the simple answer is go with whatever pleases you aesthetically.

Also, it kicks ass being small.

[Allishia]

Knowing that in the long haul gear will overcome any race stat advantages....the simple answer is go with whatever pleases you aesthetically.

Also, it kicks ass being small.

This, once geared all same and dark elf is still better /nod :p

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You never overcome Ogre Frontal Stun Immunity. That ability cannot be equipped. Also, higher starting stats mean you can cap stats without buffs, saving you buff slots.

[Ripqozko]

Ogre can't wear PD robe therefore inferior , hope that helps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Ogre can't wear PD robe therefore inferior , hope that helps.

PD Robe is objectively worse than Vindi BP which is way easier/cheaper to get. Hope this helps.

[Ripqozko]

PD Robe is objectively worse than Vindi BP which is way easier/cheaper to get. Hope this helps.

Imagine not knowing fashion quest is all that matters. Hope that helps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Imagine not knowing fashion quest is all that matters. Hope that helps.

Imagine thinking a tank looks better in a robe than black plate. Hope that helps.

[Tunabros]

Imagine not knowing fashion quest is all that matters. Hope that helps.

warrior in a robe is the gayest thing i ever heard

warriors have to look intimidating and power

covered in fine steel, wielding the most powerful weapons, emanating a powerful aura

not some gay ass robe

hope this helps

[Ripqozko]

warrior in a robe is the gayest thing i ever heard

warriors have to look intimidating and power

covered in fine steel, wielding the most powerful weapons, emanating a powerful aura

not some gay ass robe

hope this helps

Sorry you have issues with homosexuality, I'd suggest dealing with that, hope that helps.

[Tunabros]

Sorry you have issues with homosexuality, I'd suggest dealing with that, hope that helps.

your gay

hope this helps

[Allishia]

Omg I want a pd robe! I think it looks awesome with light sabors! Dark elf, robe, light sabors! /nod

But I've been too cheap to buy it cause it is a downgrade and only for fashion, soon as I find a budget one :p

[Toxigen]

Ogre can't wear PD robe therefore inferior , hope that helps.

wrong

this is 21 year old elf sim

aesthetics is the only thing that matters velious was beat in kunark gear

hope this helps

[Disease]

warrior in a robe is the gayest thing i ever heard

warriors have to look intimidating and power

covered in fine steel, wielding the most powerful weapons, emanating a powerful aura

not some gay ass robe

hope this helps

I suggest you edit your post. Like now! If my boyfriend seen this he would have another breakdown. He gets enough from the male pigs at work, he doesn't need to see them here as well. Please remember even though it's just a word, it hurts our feelings.

[Jimjam]

Gotta larp star wars inside eq with a nice obi robe and glowstick.

[Ripqozko]

wrong

this is 21 year old elf sim

aesthetics is the only thing that matters velious was beat in kunark gear

hope this helps

That’s why I said it, pd robe isn’t for stats , it’s for looks.
Yes I know it was beat in kunark gear I was there, you weren’t .

Hope that helps.

[Allishia]

This isn't rnf you goofs, be nice to each other please :)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

This isn't rnf you goofs, be nice to each other please :)

[Tunabros]

That’s why I said it, pd robe isn’t for stats , it’s for looks.
Yes I know it was beat in kunark gear I was there, you weren’t .

Hope that helps.

doubt you even play p99

your probably some TLP bored with 64 boxing and sucking your own nuts :eek::eek:

hope this helps

[Ripqozko]

Nope, my main is ramen. Sorry you are homophobic

[Toxigen]

I suggest you edit your post. Like now! If my boyfriend seen this he would have another breakdown. He gets enough from the male pigs at work, he doesn't need to see them here as well. Please remember even though it's just a word, it hurts our feelings.

lmao

[tycohunden]

Good fucking choice bro!
Warrior is the only tank class and ogre is the only warrior race.
Ogre warrior.
Barbarian rogue
High elf cleric
The rest are just warm bodies

[Allishia]

Good fucking choice bro!
Warrior is the only tank class and ogre is the only warrior race.
Ogre warrior.
Barbarian rogue
High elf cleric
The rest are just warm bodies

Lmao

[scifo76]

When rolling an Ogre Warrior, is it recommended to put 25 points into STA, or should you go with 25 points into DEX, like the War wiki page recommends? Or something else? Would love to hear arguments.

[Crede]

When rolling an Ogre Warrior, is it recommended to put 25 points into STA, or should you go with 25 points into DEX, like the War wiki page recommends? Or something else? Would love to hear arguments.

Dex for casuals.
Sta if you plan to raid a lot.
Cha for ultra min max min end game in which case roll an elf instead

[tycohunden]

When rolling an Ogre Warrior, is it recommended to put 25 points into STA, or should you go with 25 points into DEX, like the War wiki page recommends? Or something else? Would love to hear arguments.

Ogres have enough sta and str, I’d put most of it in dex and the rest in agility

[wagorf]

warrior in a robe is the gayest thing i ever heard

warriors have to look intimidating and power

covered in fine steel, wielding the most powerful weapons, emanating a powerful aura

not some gay ass robe

hope this helps

i second that but don't agree with the insult, everyone is entitled to their opinion

[demokatt]

Using EQ custom text macros is fine. Just not programming a mouse/keyboard or 3rd party program.

Can eq macros do breastplate rightclicks?

[Crede]

Can eq macros do breastplate rightclicks?

Nope, best I can think of is a bind wound macro, you can combine with a pause on the same line so you could fire off 5 bind wounds before having to reclick again.

[Jimjam]

It is possible to weave breastplate clicks with bandaging.

[Crede]

It is possible to weave breastplate clicks with bandaging.

Hmm, more details plz

[Allishia]

Can eq macros do breastplate rightclicks?

Eq macros can, you have to put bp on a hotbar spot and then do the command to active whatever number you put it on and make pause then next line etc

[Jimjam]

Hmm, more details plz

Right click breastplate,
Click Bind Wounds from the Combat Abilities tab of Actions Window
Switch to Main Page of the Actions Window to click Stand before cast ends.

Ensure bandaging has completed before returning to start.

[demokatt]

Eq macros can, you have to put bp on a hotbar spot and then do the command to active whatever number you put it on and make pause then next line etc

Can hotbars really be activated? thought only ability/combats can be used and there u cant put the bp

[starkind]

You can always have multiple warriors on multiple servers :)

[Allishia]

Can hotbars really be activated? thought only ability/combats can be used and there u cant put the bp

Ya I think you are right. I goofed lol

[Tunabros]

Dex for casuals.
Sta if you plan to raid a lot.
Cha for ultra min max min end game in which case roll an elf instead

chances are if you raid a lot

stamina will be maxed out with gear

so you are wrong and probably never raided ever

dex on the other hand cannot be maxed by an ogre warrior with velious gear

a BIS warrior will have around 210-216 dex with 255 in both strength and stamina

with end game velious gear, both strength and stamina are super easy to max

plus warriors have one of the (if not the highest) starting stamina and strength

in the game. No one bothers to put starting points in charisma as a warrior,

only monks would do that if they're going down the super min max route where

they become a pull monkey lol

[Jimjam]

The trick with warriors is you need to try to achieve negative dexterity. You want to aim for -100.

This ensures you waste as little dex as possible gotten from buffs (+355 from dex/FoS/PE/VoG/Avatar/Boon).

A big part of being a warrior is to ask for buffs from as many players as possible and this strategy plays in to that.

[Allishia]

A big part of being a warrior is to ask for buffs from as many players as possible

/nod :)

[Gustoo]

Max charisma for raid buffed BIS warrior 100%

[Tsunami21k]

Not even kidding it’s underrated.

4x DI triggers on last AOW

But I’m a dark elf and put points into sta :-p

I’m also nowhere near BIS

[Allishia]

The Cha buff from shammy is enough lol, wouldn't worry about it too much

[Gustoo]

Not even kidding it’s underrated.

4x DI triggers on last AOW

But I’m a dark elf and put points into sta :-p

I’m also nowhere near BIS

How much does CHA impact divine intervention success?

[Toxigen]

How much does CHA impact divine intervention success?

no idea but if you're min/maxing for ultra end game BiS the answer is CHA simply because it helps at all

the math is irrelevant, theres no stronger effect than saving a raid from having to do bump a raid mob and get another tank in there

[DeathsSilkyMist]

no idea but if you're min/maxing for ultra end game BiS the answer is CHA simply because it helps at all

the math is irrelevant, theres no stronger effect than saving a raid from having to do bump a raid mob and get another tank in there

Yup. BiS Velious Raid Gear will max out all your other important stats, CHA is the one stat you will never max. That is why it is the Min/Max choice.

[Gustoo]

Biggest question is if endgame warrior would be better off as Half Elf, Human, or Wood elf with max Charisma, or does the impact of FSI outweigh the minor charisma effect :P

[Allishia]

Divine intervention always fires on me with sham buff...I think stats into cha would be dumb since you aren't going to get anywhere near bis anytime soon with current meta lol.

[Gustoo]

True enough! I wonder if anyone has calculated how many infinite hours of raiding it would take to BIS one character on current blue or green server raiding situation.

hmm

[starkind]

I don't think stats really matter when ur being chain runed and ch'd if u can't hold agro with ur weapons which are all white dmg and procs or resists anyway .. stats also won't help.

I dont think the CH chain is any different on a buffed warrior with 3200 hp vs 3900hp its all the same mostly especially during a less than 1 minute fight with a race to kill the mob and 50 wizards attempting to lure bolt away.

And more than likely that stamina/str buff means that if u only had 130 sta and str ur probably in the 200ish range so the difference is going to be more like 3500 vs 3800 or something i dont know the exact maths its smol.

str helps some when soloing dark blues... which u probably arent going to do anyway as they arent' very efficient exp as a warrior. It probably makes the biggest difference in the first 10 levels of the game.