Enchaters cucked - Necromancer solidified as Master class

[Bardp1999]

Charm nerf is coming - Eat shit enchanters

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=391332&page=3

[Baler]

Make P99 Classically accurate~! (vanilla - velious)

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[Disable Mouse Wheel Camera Zoom] (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=391362)

[Tunabros]

P99 hasn't been classic for ages. thanks for contributing nothing, baler

[Smoofers]

This is the age of shaman+monk

[mycoolrausch]

Make P99 Classically accurate~! (vanilla - velious)

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[Disable Mouse Wheel Camera Zoom] (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=391362)

I assume this change isn't really possible or they would have done it in the last 12 years...

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/dz4SS4T.png

[Tunabros]

glad enchanters are getting nerfed. I bought a few COS in order to make bank in 5 years.

My necro will be a happy women right now haha

[derpcake2]

If the lull portion gets placed ingame also, it looks more like an upgrade to chanters then anything.

Mobs lvl 54 and under will no longer agro on paci, ever?

Sign me up.

[jolanar]

Oh no! Enchanter is going from most OP to class to slightly less most OP class.

[RevSaber]

Hah! Now unroot mobs. Theres plenty of evidence that aint classic

[ClephNote]

What are the actual changes, tho?

[starkind]

not cucked, put in their proper place with evidenciery based science

[Tilien]

What are the actual changes, tho?

Sounds like enchanter charm will be demoted to only being slightly better than druid and necro charm.

Cha now reduces resist chance on cast but doesn't affect resist chance on each server tick for charm to break.

[starkind]

Sounds like enchanter charm will be demoted to only being slightly better than druid and necro charm.

Cha now reduces resist chance on cast but doesn't affect resist chance on each server tick for charm to break.

thats a 5 star post right there

[cd288]

According to what Starkind said in the other thread: "It make charm last an average of 30 seconds on mobs 1-2 levels below the caster."

That doesn't sound like a significant impact on Enchanter Charm soloing. You're not usually charming mobs 1 to 2 levels below you anyway haha

[Twochain]

Seems as though level 60 enchanters will basically not be changed much at all? As they have a minimum level advantage of 7 for all their pets anyway? Didn't read too much into it.

[Smoofers]

This doesn't seem like much of a change

[Jibartik]

It's probubly pretty easy to feel the difference, just unequip your cha gear and see how often you get breaks. Im sure it's not noticeable for anyone who isnt leveling.

[cd288]

It's probubly pretty easy to feel the difference, just unequip your cha gear and see how often you get breaks. Im sure it's not noticeable for anyone who isnt leveling.

When I played an Ench awhile back I didn't notice much of a difference based on my CHA as it was. The biggest difference I noticed was my level vs mob level in terms of break frequency.

[Tunabros]

so any point in playing enchanter anymore?

Should I just reroll to necro on green?

My baby enchanter just got to level 12 the other day haha

[Sarleon8503]

Oh no! Enchanter is going from most OP to class to slightly less most OP class.


My thoughts exactly.

[Sarleon8503]

Enchanters will never be nerfed as bad as mages. No reason to get all worried about this until it actually gets rolled out.

[Vivitron]

No reason to get all worried about this until it actually gets rolled out.

Incorrect. As it was in classic, it is here: early voices have greater impact. If you don't think the proposed change reflects classic mechanics show your evidence now or be forever ignored.

[Jibartik]

Show your evidence that it is classic mr feed me grapes while I demand to be fed grapes!

[Vivitron]

Show your evidence that it is classic mr feed me grapes while I demand to be fed grapes!

I think Torven presented a convincing case that the mechanics he described are accurate for the eras he studied.

[unsunghero]

I think that people predicting it will make charm function as if the chanter has no cha gear on is probably pretty accurate

Also makes all chanters probably benefit from a full time set of int/hp/ac gear and only strap on the cha set when lulling

I’m not really down with re-itemizing and nerfs whenever the devs feel like (or in their words whenever they can complete the coding work). If I wanted to play an MMO with continual balance patches I’d just play a modern one with an actual end game that isn’t reroll + twink like p99’s is

So I’m out. Ya’ll can’t have my 11k pp on green cause I may come back someday after I get tired of FF14 to twink out a version of the new master-class, Iksar Necro

[Insaiyan]

I think that people predicting it will make charm function as if the chanter has no cha gear on is probably pretty accurate

Also makes all chanters probably benefit from a full time set of int/hp/ac gear and only strap on the cha set when lulling

I’m not really down with re-itemizing and nerfs whenever the devs feel like (or in their words whenever they can complete the coding work). If I wanted to play an MMO with continual balance patches I’d just play a modern one with an actual end game that isn’t reroll + twink like p99’s is

So I’m out. Ya’ll can’t have my 11k pp on green cause I may come back someday after I get tired of FF14 to twink out a version of the new master-class, Iksar Necro

il take that plat off your hands for ya

[Danth]

I assume this change isn't really possible or they would have done it in the last 12 years...

A P99 developer explicitly said, awhile back, that he had the fix ready to implement but was overruled by senior management. Presumably the folks in charge like the mouse wheel themselves. There are a few other non-classic features left in place due to administrator preference so it's not without precedent.

Danth

[chuckleluckle]

Charm nerf is coming - Eat shit enchanters

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=391332&page=3

Your reading comprehension is as bad as your game play. Smol brain idiot

[Swish]

A P99 developer explicitly said, awhile back, that he had the fix ready to implement but was overruled by senior management. Presumably the folks in charge like the mouse wheel themselves. There are a few other non-classic features left in place due to administrator preference so it's not without precedent.

Danth

I'd like to see clickable item links removed.

[Baler]

I'd like to see clickable item links removed.

https://i.imgur.com/tNMX9hU.gif

[Danth]

I'd like to see clickable item links removed.

That one came up during the creation of Green's UI. So did removal of multiple chat windows. The majority of links could be broken via pretty simple means. Getting it 100% would be tougher but you could break the functionality of the regular links people use without too much fuss. Multiple chat windows could be removed using the same method as other window removal. Both of these were left in place as management calls, same as cycle targeting or the pet window on Blue. I recall a guide or GM saying he couldn't stand doing his job if he was stuck with one chat window. Likewise links are regarded as a means of reducing scamming and hence reducing GM workload. Rogean's specific comment I recollect on mousewheel scroll is that with F9 available he doesn't see it as a big deal.

P99 players tend to be a pretty adaptable and clever bunch. Monks took what looked like a heavy hit with sneak nerf--but they kept on 'truckin. I expect it'll be similar for Enchanters.

Danth

[Danth]

As an aside, you also have larger than classic font on some menus on Green as a compromise for the reality that modern resolutions are larger than 1990's era resolutions were (probably no-one runs at 640x480). If you want to be REALLY classic then minimizing the client should cause it to crash. That'd throw a bit of a wrench in wiki usage but I'm not that much of a purist.

[Allishia]

and I finally hit 60 on my enc too! grrr =P

[Whale biologist]

but does CHA nerf affecting lulling for non-ench classes?

[Baler]

but does CHA nerf affecting lulling for non-ench classes?

I believe the cha change is only regarding charm

[myrddraal]

good. Now nerf shamans.

[Mblake1981]

As an aside, you also have larger than classic font on some menus on Green as a compromise for the reality that modern resolutions are larger than 1990's era resolutions were (probably no-one runs at 640x480). If you want to be REALLY classic then minimizing the client should cause it to crash. That'd throw a bit of a wrench in wiki usage but I'm not that much of a purist.

Small army of nerds buying up all the three-ring binders and ink cartridges.

[starkind]

i want to see a youtube video about how someones enchanter is totally unplayable now

[cd288]

That one came up during the creation of Green's UI. So did removal of multiple chat windows. The majority of links could be broken via pretty simple means. Getting it 100% would be tougher but you could break the functionality of the regular links people use without too much fuss. Multiple chat windows could be removed using the same method as other window removal. Both of these were left in place as management calls, same as cycle targeting or the pet window on Blue. I recall a guide or GM saying he couldn't stand doing his job if he was stuck with one chat window. Likewise links are regarded as a means of reducing scamming and hence reducing GM workload. Rogean's specific comment I recollect on mousewheel scroll is that with F9 available he doesn't see it as a big deal.

P99 players tend to be a pretty adaptable and clever bunch. Monks took what looked like a heavy hit with sneak nerf--but they kept on 'truckin. I expect it'll be similar for Enchanters.

Danth

This doesn’t even appear to really be a significant nerf in any way though lol

[rustyfingers]

good. Now nerf shamans.

Why are you happy about enc nerf and wish other class to be nerfed ?

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/KtfSe5X.gif

[pink grapefruit]

feel like paladins are very overdue for a good nerfing tbh.

[Tann]

Charm nerf is coming *based on data gathered from the live and PoP clients while also saying the guy who created enchanters and their spells is wrong

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=391332&page=3

FTFY

I don't even play my enchanter much but if the goal is to "make charm classic" then why are they going to make it function like it did in PoP?

[Whale biologist]

FTFY

I don't even play my enchanter much but if the goal is to "make charm classic" then why are they going to make it function like it did in PoP?

Do you have any evidence charm mechanics were altered prior to PoP? :rolleyes:

[Ratchet51]

feel like paladins are very overdue for a good nerfing tbh.

Pink Grapefruit, you disgust me. You disgust everyone. And you will never, EVER be on that billboard.

[Tann]

Do you have any evidence charm mechanics were altered prior to PoP? :rolleyes:

Even Torven acknowledges charm might've changed

Geoffrey Zatkin answered a question in 1999 where he claimed that charisma had a role in charm durations. He was also either wrong or charm changed before PoP went Live.

And provides a link to said claim:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030611034701/http://eq.crgaming.com/archives.asp?Day=8&Month=10&Year=1999&ID=4660&Action=View

Why would I need evidence? I'm not the one calling an EQ dev wrong and providing evidence from out of era clients.

[mycoolrausch]

Remove torpor from shamans and give it to druids and remove clarity from chanters and give it to wizards. We will be well on our way to remaking vanilla WoW.

[Whale biologist]

Even Torven acknowledges charm might've changed



And provides a link to said claim:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030611034701/http://eq.crgaming.com/archives.asp?Day=8&Month=10&Year=1999&ID=4660&Action=View

Why would I need evidence? I'm not the one calling an EQ dev wrong and providing evidence from out of era clients.

Yes you are. :rolleyes:

[Baler]

Classic change and people overrated with not classic hatred.

[Tunabros]

Remove torpor from shamans and give it to druids and remove clarity from chanters and give it to wizards. We will be well on our way to remaking vanilla WoW.

I like this idea

[Baler]

I like this idea

Not Classic

https://i.imgur.com/YI6TIkC.gif

[Tann]

Not Classic

https://i.imgur.com/YI6TIkC.gif

No proof these upcoming changes are classic either but y'all seem on board anyway. Probably no way to know for sure how it worked back in the day, but hey let's go off of live data cause eff enchanters.

[unsunghero]

It’s not really as much about what is classic or what isn’t as it is about the opinions of what a handful of developers and coders want to code

I was lulled into a false sense of security in thinking things were static (beyond just the expected timeline changes involved in velious) by the slow development cycle

But there is no complete safety for any class from buffs or nerfs now or at some future point. Ultimate the decision comes down to a few people’s opinion

[unsunghero]

It’s not really as much about what is classic or what isn’t as it is about the opinions of what a handful of developers and coders want to code

I was lulled into a false sense of security in thinking things were static (beyond just the expected timeline changes involved in velious) by the slow development cycle

But there is no complete safety for any class from buffs or nerfs now or at some future point. Ultimately the decision comes down to a few people’s opinion

[unsunghero]

Dammit meant to edit not quote

[RevSaber]

It literally took all weekend 8 hrs a day to gain a level. This shits never been classic. Unroot the mobs

[Arvan]

imagine being the OP god class of the game and then complaining about a nerf

[Endorra]

ITT: this custom EverQuest server has turned out to be a custom EverQuest server.

[Kohedron]

Good. Not classic trash. And it only makes ench #1 by a mile instead of #1 my many miles

[jadier]

imagine being the OP god class of the game and then complaining about a nerf

"Oh no, now Enchanters might have a 50% success rate on cliff golem solos instead of an 80% one!"

Going from a bazooka to an AK isn't the same as going from an AK to a nerf pistol.

This change will make things ever so slightly more dangerous and ever so slightly less predictable for enchanters.

This whole thing is a real life example of the classic comic http://www.gucomics.com/20000821

[myrddraal]

Why are you happy about enc nerf and wish other class to be nerfed ?

Because balance is actually a good thing. Enchanters and shamans are both super OP. Enchanters a bit less so now. Sorry they will have a harder time soloing and might need to play with others in a massive multiplayer online game.

[starkind]

Classic change and people overrated with not classic hatred.

Tru colors r definitely showing in some.

[derpcake2]

In 2021 most companies can't avoid changing things due to a small group of people having their feel feels hurt.

A+, it most likely isn't classic, but it is very fitting in the age of the clowns.

[starkind]

In 2021 most companies can't avoid changing things due to a small group of people having their feel feels hurt.

Lol. I agree.


A+, it most likely isn't classic, but it is very fitting in the age of the clowns.

This however is not the case today.

Plz find support for your hyperventilation.

[derpcake2]

This however is not the case today.

Plz find support for your hyperventilation.


If you read up on the topic, on these very forums, you'd know this was confirmed.

[Jimjam]

Lol. I agree.



This however is not the case today.

Plz find support for your hyperventilation.

Delete all items originally looted by a level 12+ enchanter due to charm exploitation and move to resolved.

[starkind]

Delete all items originally looted by a level 12+ enchanter due to charm exploitation and move to resolved.

:cool:

https://i.imgur.com/lMoQY.gif