Thinking about the future and possible New Green99

[Sillyturtle]

I haven't been around since before Kunark launched on Green, and I'm thinking forward to the future about the possible new server that might launch whenever Green finishes.

How far are we into Velious right now?

How long do you think they'll let Velious run for on Green before whatever end game plan they have kicks in? (merge to Blue, or leaving Green up and launching new server, etc.)

[aamok]

"The green server will, at a time yet to be decided, eventually merge into blue and start over again. This merge will not happen until at least 6 months after the last patch in velious (No earlier than January 2023)"

[Castle2.0]

Double digit manastones was not enough. Going for triple digit next time.

[Videri]

OP, you can go to https://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes and compare this to the current Green timeline to figure out an estimate of when changes/patches are supposed to go in. This will not be a strict schedule (volunteer dev team etc), but at least a rough idea.

I don't feel like doing this right now. People keep asking this question and those people should do it. https://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes

[Quest815]

Just curious as to why everyone seems to think there is some plan for green.

I mean, was there ever any intent on sustaining it ?

What are the differences between blue and green ? (i am aware that green was once teal and there are some strange things going on with these servers).

[Rader]

"The green server will, at a time yet to be decided, eventually merge into blue and start over again. This merge will not happen until at least 6 months after the last patch in velious (No earlier than January 2023)"

They later hedged their bets and said they are not locked into merging Green with Blue, it is under consideration

[Videri]

Just curious as to why everyone seems to think there is some plan for green.

I mean, was there ever any intent on sustaining it ?

What are the differences between blue and green ? (i am aware that green was once teal and there are some strange things going on with these servers).

Of course there's a plan for Green. It has been in the works for 10 years. https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333743

The point of Project 1999 is to relive the Classic-Kunark-Velious experience by going through the timeline over and over.

[Sizar]

The next server should have no legacy items, and all the quality of life enhancements that blue has / has ever had. Dot dmg displayed etc

[Quest815]

Sorry, when i said sustain the green server. I really meant that it was never constructed properly in the first place. With massive timeline bugs and NPC speech errors and typos.

This is actually not a bad thing, the server is free afterall and it was probably done so quickly in order to get people on here raiding because of what was probably going to be an overpopulated blue.

It just means that we should all be playing on blue. At least if you have no friends like me and are actually interested in questing. (who would have thought!) Esp if they will eventually be merged.

[Toxigen]

The next server should have no legacy items, and all the quality of life enhancements that blue has / has ever had. Dot dmg displayed etc

this

[Tunabros]

damn what's the point of playing on green when everyone on blue will have better gear than you and you'll basically be wearing welfare gear

all that work for nothing

[unsunghero]

You merge green into blue and an already top-heavy blue becomes even more top heavy

Don’t merge and you stretch out the population over what might be somewhat dead servers (at least for sure on the low level side)

I’d prefer option B because it allows the possibility of a casual actually raiding

[Tunabros]

I vote for no merge

keep all servers the same

people work too hard for this shit

[Ooloo]

I vote for no merge

keep all servers the same

people work too hard for this shit

I don't think that's an option for the people who sail this ship. It requires actual infrastructure, unless you don't mind all the servers becoming more and more laggy as they stretch resources to accommodate more and more servers.

I think the newest green server should have some mechanism by which you unlock your previous characters from other servers. Like, get level 50 on the new green and your chars on blue are unlocked, if you really want to play there again. Granted I have absolutely no idea how this would work practically speaking. It's just a really hard problem for this project to solve.

[Balimon]

Another answer is to leave blue as a museum, and have the current green turn into p99 'Gray' and have Gray be where all future green servers dump into. It splits population but let's face it eventually blue will dwindle, maybe even let people transfer blue characters to gray as the retirement server.

[Tunabros]

Another answer is to leave blue as a museum, and have the current green turn into p99 'Gray' and have Gray be where all future green servers dump into. It splits population but let's face it eventually blue will dwindle, maybe even let people transfer blue characters to gray as the retirement server.

dumbest idea i ever heard in my life

the fact that green and blue population are so close atm just shows how much it

divides the population

it killed blue and made green into a raiding zerg fest with no lowbies or alt leveling

https://i.imgur.com/400Db6V.png

adding or merging servers is just gonna screw up the economy or kill the servers entirely

I remember logging on to blue with 1k+ players during prime time and be able to get a group within 5 minutes

unrest, mistmoore, crushbone were all booming with population! but now, on green everyone rushes to max level then proceeds to raid

[Fammaden]

Very true, the pick up group leveling scene is dead on both servers until everyone converges on the Hole to grind 50 - 60. Blue had it still before green, and green had it before Kunark, but the longer the green timeline has gone on the less grouping you can find. This is sad to me, and creates an adverse atmosphere for new players to the project.

There's just not enough people playing to justify more than two PvE servers at any given time.

[cd288]

Sorry, when i said sustain the green server. I really meant that it was never constructed properly in the first place. With massive timeline bugs and NPC speech errors and typos.

This is actually not a bad thing, the server is free afterall and it was probably done so quickly in order to get people on here raiding because of what was probably going to be an overpopulated blue.

It just means that we should all be playing on blue. At least if you have no friends like me and are actually interested in questing. (who would have thought!) Esp if they will eventually be merged.

Oh aren’t you that whiney guy who posted in RnF the other day complaining that there was a minor typo in a sentence of quest text?

[cd288]

damn what's the point of playing on green when everyone on blue will have better gear than you and you'll basically be wearing welfare gear

all that work for nothing

Everyone here has those characters on blue so I don’t think they care

[Convict]

damn what's the point of playing on green when everyone on blue will have better gear than you and you'll basically be wearing welfare gear

all that work for nothing

Dont know where you are getting this idea from.. people that arent able to get some raid gear or BiS gear by 6 months after the final patch on green probably wouldn't of gotten that on blue either anyways, so it doesn't change anything. Merging the servers wont make it suddenly overcrowded, there's a ton of overlap of players playing on both servers.

I really can't think of a major downside or upside to merging servers that is a make or break decision for GM's to merge or not merge. Its going to come down to server costs, spread out resources, and the logical thing to me seems like merging them would have the best outcome (for them), especially if they plan to open yet another server.

[Seducio]

Its going to come down to server costs

Server costs are not of high concern given donation revenue over the lifetime of the project.

More than likely devs will make decisions around how much time they want to invest.

[cd288]

Server costs are not of high concern given donation revenue over the lifetime of the project.

More than likely devs will make decisions around how much time they want to invest.

Lmao how would you know? You have zero insight into how much people have donated or how much the various server infrastructure costs for P99 specifically.

Servers and their maintenance can be quite expensive. I would be very surprised if player donations would be sufficient to cover it at this point. I would also imagine that donations are very sporadic, so any money that does come in isn't some never ending cash flow that covers the cost every month.

[Seducio]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers

Also: You are not intelligent are you?

[cd288]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers

Also: You are not intelligent are you?

Lol that's really what you went with?

[Seducio]

Correct. If you were intelligent you would be able to do the math on this one. If you think that lifetime donation revenue doesn't cover server costs we wouldn't be here.

Wake up.

[Ooloo]

Correct. If you were intelligent you would be able to do the math on this one. If you think that lifetime donation revenue doesn't cover server costs we wouldn't be here.

Wake up.

You're being too academic about it. Things occur temporally, "lifetime server donations" is an irrelevant metric, because it's not a set value. Donations fluctuate, monthly server costs don't.

There's a very real possibility that if p99 were to shut down, they would incur a net loss all things considered. You don't know what the server costs are, the stability of donations, nor whether the owners put up their own money to keep things afloat. You have none of that information. Linking to a wikipedia article about a mathematical concept doesn't just magically make it apply to everything.

[Tunabros]

Dont know where you are getting this idea from.. people that arent able to get some raid gear or BiS gear by 6 months after the final patch on green probably wouldn't of gotten that on blue either anyways, so it doesn't change anything. Merging the servers wont make it suddenly overcrowded, there's a ton of overlap of players playing on both servers.

I really can't think of a major downside or upside to merging servers that is a make or break decision for GM's to merge or not merge. Its going to come down to server costs, spread out resources, and the logical thing to me seems like merging them would have the best outcome (for them), especially if they plan to open yet another server.

lol have you seen green? it's a clusterfuck of raiders

no one is making alts anymore

[cd288]

You're being too academic about it. Things occur temporally, "lifetime server donations" is an irrelevant metric, because it's not a set value. Donations fluctuate, monthly server costs don't.

There's a very real possibility that if p99 were to shut down, they would incur a net loss all things considered. You don't know what the server costs are, the stability of donations, nor whether the owners put up their own money to keep things afloat. You have none of that information. Linking to a wikipedia article about a mathematical concept doesn't just magically make it apply to everything.

Precisely

[Trexller]

The next server should have no legacy items, and all the quality of life enhancements that blue has / has ever had. Dot dmg displayed etc

buff timers. GINA is allowed. GINA shows us alot of QOL features, not just buff timers.

If GINA is allowed, and can handle these functions, then there is no good reason that the client and UI cannot possess these functions.

Blue should revert to its state a few years ago. Let blue be the "wild west" server where shit just goes down.

make green your "Helicopter Parent" server, where all of those "classic" features and rules are rigidly adhered to.

[Seducio]

The devs most valuable asset is their time.

Talk all you want about unknowns and fixed costs indicating you never ran a business or a server before. Devs figured that out long ago.

Their time is what matters most

[Algustus]

The devs most valuable asset is their time.

Talk all you want about unknowns and fixed costs indicating you never ran a business or a server before. Devs figured that out long ago.

Their time is what matters most

Yes it is. I would be really surprised if the developers were not helping to pay for the server costs as well. The whiney people probably gave up their cash to pay for election audits rather than donations to the server fund.

[TomisFeline]

lol

[Tunabros]

I doubt anyone in this thread has ever donated a single penny to P99

[Balimon]

I doubt anyone in this thread has ever donated a single penny to P99

That's because your anger blinds your thinking.

I donate every year and Im sure others have too.

[Toxigen]

tfw you realize blues been the best option all along

[Tunabros]

That's because your anger blinds your thinking.

I donate every year and Im sure others have too.

doubt :D

[Seducio]

P99 is not for profit, but its business model could be adapted to a for profit one if it were legal for devs to do so. It isn't.

Server mimics a F2P model without Pay to Win. Donations are made by whales.

In most F2P games there a not many whales compared with players who don't pay much. The amount of whales in a given game are in the 1 in 50 player to 1 in 200 player range.

All it takes is a few whales to donate to make the numbers pencil out for a significant higher population within a given server.

With the tens of thousands of players that have played on p99 since launch Devs have brought in enough whales over the last dozen years to pay for all of their current plans.

Do the math

[Ooloo]

Do the math

You can't do the math without the relevant variables. We don't know what the server costs are, and we also don't know how much they are *currently* making in donations.

Splitting the server population yet again by opening a new green and leaving the current green and blue as they are might very well cause donations to drop, because the overall enjoyment goes down for all players (generally) as population drops. It's why nobody plays on the UO second age server I'm still on. People see there are only 25 players online and they go "meh" and don't log in, much less donate.

[Seducio]

You are being silly. The math has already been done. We exist.

[Castle2.0]

I donated my time and effort to make Norrath great again. Much was accomplished, little was appreciated by the Devs. But aren't we all still waiting for Green 2.0 to drop to take things to the next level?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoUV7Q1C1SU

[Dolalin]

The best thing about the new Green99 whenever it comes will be classic Splitpaw. Can't wait to see people playing that again.

[Castle2.0]

The best thing about the new Green99 whenever it comes will be classic Splitpaw. Can't wait to see people playing that again.

If you think they are going to put in that DE wiz/necro with all the original faction hits, I am sorry, it won't happen. P99 isn't about being classic. It's about being the Devs interpretation of classic, and this won't fit.

I bet you one of my future 100 manastones. Happy to lose one if they do this right.

[Gustoo]

The best thing about the new Green99 whenever it comes will be classic Splitpaw. Can't wait to see people playing that again.

I don't think we have classic paw on project 1999, am I wrong? An almost unseen version of an unpopular zone.

[Old_PVP]

I don't think we have classic paw on project 1999, am I wrong? An almost unseen version of an unpopular zone.

Tis true.

Classic paw is so old the source code is likely lost to time. This has been talked about several times... see below for old threads:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326454

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324466&highlight=classic+splitpaw

[Old_PVP]

Someone has been digging around gathering Paw information though. Looks to be this Dolalin guy. So there may be hope yet. :)

Ton of shit on the wiki:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Infected_Paw

[Bardp1999]

If you don't want to servers to merge keep the Sleeper sleeping, otherwise it's a possibility

[eqravenprince]

Put a level cap of 35 on new green 2.0. Make taking down Naggy, Vox, Phinny truly epic.

[Castle2.0]

Put a level cap of 35 on new green 2.0. Make taking down Naggy, Vox, Phinny truly epic.

Mages were level 35 capped for a long time on Green.

[eqravenprince]

Mages were level 35 capped for a long time on Green.

Oh were they, I did not know. Thanks!

[Castle2.0]

Oh were they, I did not know. Thanks!

No mage pets past 34 for months. So just a gimp, resistable Wiz.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=341488

[Seducio]

Beyond Green 2.0 details, my highest curiosity currently surrounding p99 is what Devs here plan to do with source code at end of project life. Will it be made available to the public somehow or will it evaporate with their will in several years when their interest wanes?

For comparison, TAKP devs plan to release TAKP emu server code as Open Source at a certain point after PoP launches there. Players could see this become available within a couple years given current messaging by devs of that other emu.

The two emu projects have some personnel connections to each other. Haynar specifically has worked on p99 in the past and focuses on TAKP mostly now. The eq emu devs bump elbows with each otherand trade notes at times. They talk.

So a thought experiment:

Say ten years from now, will p99 be on yet another Green server (5.0?) or will the accumulated effort of the devs here so far be made available to players like TAKP devs plans to do?

Curious minds want to know

[Gustoo]

I can see no reason why anyone with any authority would be posting a response about this, at this time.

Who developed the currently available eq emu code?

[Tunabros]

everquest is a horrible game!

why do I play it!

If only people volunteered to make a server so i can play it for free!

[Seducio]

EQ emu started on December 6, 2001 according to this post by a former senior EQ emu dev in 2013 celebrating its 12 year anniversary. It appears a whole gang of devs have worked on it in the intervening years. P99 being the most successful project of the whole lot. Blue launched in Oct 2009.

source: http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?t=37586

[Dolalin]

EQEmu was called Ethernalquest and started in earnest in the early months of 2000, off the back of the ShowEQ project. It went through a few iterations before it turned into EQEmu.

ShowEQ was developed in the Fall of 99 and there were zone dumps of mobs starting to be taken in late November '99. I found a sheet of them:

https://github.com/dbsanfte/eq-archives/tree/master/npc_dumps

[Dolalin]

Someone has been digging around gathering Paw information though. Looks to be this Dolalin guy. So there may be hope yet. :)

Ton of shit on the wiki:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Infected_Paw

Yeah that's me. I've mostly got the zone finished, there are a few tweaks to make to Kurrpok's spawn, that has been the last unknown but I recently found a copy of the Japanese map for the zone and some more zone commentary that firms up what the spawngroup should look like and where he should be.

There will be real, classic, original-as-at-EQ-release Splitpaw available for the P99 devs for the next Green server, whenever it launches.

[Tunabros]

I liked the PEQ and TAKP project

i tried out the hidden forest, EZserver, project lazarus, RoS, Imperium server, and a few

others

right now I am enjoying TAKP and PEQ server

but honestly, I will always stay on p99 even though it has a such a horrible community

[Ooloo]

I was there for blue launch. Pop was maybe 100 people, with global /ooc and there were tons of bugs. Eventually IB emerged as the uber guild, my old friend and I joined them and I got some pretty fun fear raids in before I quit because I thought the project wouldn't last. There were a LOT of ddos attacks going on at that time, it wasn't uncommon at least once a day you'd lag out and not be able to reconnect because of a ddos. Some nerd was very angry.

12 years later and the devs have made this thing so amazing, and I'm extremely grateful to them for being able to log into classic everquest any time I want. We are too lucky.

[Seducio]

even though it has a such a horrible community

In game community is great. Guild chat is great. Discord is great. Raiding has always been a pain that awards those who enjoy that sort of thing.

Great communities exist on p99. You just won't find it here on the forums any longer except for a few gems.

Forums weren't always like they are now. Back in the day there were many more supportive elements posting. Most have moved on to greater pastures.

After many years F2P tends to congregate a different sort of player than a launching server will.

It comes in waves.

[Aisar87]

it has a such a horrible community
You need to either grow thicker skin or acquire proper perspective because the community on P99 is one of the best I've ever seen in my 26 years of gaming. It is one of the big reasons why I keep coming back and stick around.

[cd288]

even though it has a such a horrible community

This is rich coming from someone who is so perpetually negative and rude to many people