Follow Quest text from the NPC carefully!

[Amelinda]

*EDIT* This has started cropping up a lot lately. figured i'd bump it to help you. :)

Lately i've noticed a few trends. so here are a couple of notes about quests since this comes up quite a bit:

**READ the quest text.
The NPC/quest giver/item recipient is the one who decides what s/he will or won't accept. Not allakhazams. So don't petition and tell me "But Zam says....."

EXAMPLES:
*Zam claims that Genni in Sol Ro WILL take 55 plat - she doesn't ask for plat. She asks for 550 gold.

*Hasten Bootstrutter wants 3250 gold, the ring and the rapier...zam says he'll take 325 plat. this is not true.

Don't hand an NPC the wrong item (plat instead of gold) and then expect it to be reimbursed. :p

**PAY ATTENTION to which NPC you are handing your items to. Of special note is Dugroz and Dugroz'z pet. If they are standing close together then pay attention to which npc has the flashing name above their head before you click give! This is a common problem. MAKE SURE TO CHECK WHICH NAME IS FLASHING!!!!!!!

**Please don't petition in game for a guide to tell you how to do a quest :| Talk to the NPC! they are the one who gives the quest!

**If you have a question about whether or not an item or quest mob is in game yet then your best bet is to post on the forums or check with others who might be doing the quest and see what you can come up with. if you feel something is bugged then report it under the bug forums!! Search for an existing thread first and if there isn't one...make one! if there is - add your 2 cents and bump it!

**If you gave the NPC the right items and did not get an item back then please be sure to post in the petitions/exploits forum (http://www.project1999.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25) assuming the items you lost are of consequence and not easy to re-obtain. It takes a while to get items reimbursed so if it is faster to re-camp the item, take the time and do it :) If you petition in game for this kinda thing you are going to be told to post in the petitions forum so cut out the middle man.

**If you find a bugged quest then please report it on the bug forums. Don't petition in game "just to let us know"!

Thanks!!

[RiffDaemon]

So while Alla claims that Genni in Sol Ro WILL take 55 plat - she doesn't ask for plat. She asks for 550 gold.

Hasten Bootstrutter wants 3250 gold and his other stuff. Not 325 plat.


Good stuff. I knew some folks who fell victim to that on FV. Ouchies.

[Swish]

I remember doing the final hand in for the shaman epic 1.0 back in live and I remember going nuts because something had gone badly wrong. My TrueSpirit faction had been reset to neutral and I didn't have my weapon...from glancing over the text it seemed as if I'd been told to get lost, and thought I'd have to start over.

About 10 minutes later after raging about it, there it was in my backpack all along :(

Happy ending, but think most of us have had a few "DOH!" moments :P

[Kuriin]

Excellent post, Amelinda!

[Amelinda]

I remember doing the final hand in for the shaman epic 1.0 back in live and I remember going nuts because something had gone badly wrong. My TrueSpirit faction had been reset to neutral and I didn't have my weapon...from glancing over the text it seemed as if I'd been told to get lost, and thought I'd have to start over.

About 10 minutes later after raging about it, there it was in my backpack all along :(

Happy ending, but think most of us have had a few "DOH!" moments :P

I messed up 2 of my epics on live and had to redo them :(

[Hobby]

this is why i completely ignore and immediately delete petitions regarding quests.


this is also why i make occasional broadcast reminding people to 'learn to read the gettin gstarted thread instead of glancing at it and not following the instructions' for when they get stuck in nek.

[Friday]

Amelinda created this post because of me

Also Amelindas new sig.

http://www.contentrules.com/images/felix-the-cat-and-his-bag-of-tricks.jpg

[Knightmare]

A good point to mention too might be that if people are going to look up info on Alla, quests here are according to the time line that EQ would be in, not according to when Alla was last updated. Some of the quests were changed later in the time line and correctly doing a quest might require looking at notes/info that would match with where we currently are in the EQ time line.

Perfect example, the 6th Necro skullcap. It (and other quests) were changed after a few years, to do it properly one has to look at old notes, or old posts, after reading the in-game quest text, including notes dropped by NPC's!. People were chasing Revenants around forever looking for both drops, despite an in-game note (dropped by the Revenats btw) saying otherwise, just because the Alla posts dated from 2004 on said so. This is not 2004 in the timeline, it's currently pre-Velious. This is not Live, or Alla, this is Project1999. We're reliving history :)

I made this mistake with the time line of the Breeze spell so I'm just putting it out there from my own humbling error :o

Thanks again Devs <3

[Amelinda]

A good point to mention too might be that if people are going to look up info on Alla, quests here are according to the time line that EQ would be in, not according to when Alla was last updated.

Perfect example, the 6th Necro skullcap. It (and other quests) were changed after a few years, to do it properly one has to look at old notes, or old posts, after reading the in-game quest text, including notes dropped by NPC's!. People were chasing Revenants around forever looking for both drops, despite an in-game note (dropped by the Revenats btw) saying otherwise, just because the Alla posts dated from 2004 on said so. This is not 2004 in the timeline, it's currently pre-Velious. This is not Live, or Alla, this is Project1999. We're reliving history :)


Thanks again Devs <3
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[stormlord]

Please fix the dumb NPCs. Oh, wait, that's classic...

[Amelinda]

Please fix the dumb NPCs. Oh, wait, that's classic...

fix them how? to accept 325 plat instead of the 3250 gold they ask for? That's dumb :p

[Raavak]

fix them how? to accept 325 plat instead of the 3250 gold they ask for? That's dumb :p

Yeah, the nasty joke is you are supposed to chase down a little gnome with jboots while carrying all that gold.

[Halfelfbard]

Bard Selo's, u can catch that lil gnome any day of the week.

[Knuckle]

Yeah, the nasty joke is you are supposed to chase down a little gnome with jboots while carrying all that gold.

Quite the hoot! I got a hearty laugh those folks at verant sure had a funny bone. :)

[Mcbard]

**PAY ATTENTION to which NPC you are handing your items to. Of special note is Dugroz and Dugroz'z pet. If they are standing close together then pay attention to which npc has the flashing name above their head before you click give!

This brings all sorts of trauma to the surface, ungh. Just when I was beginning to bury it in a deep, deep, deep place and forget such things ever occurred.

[Amelinda]

This brings all sorts of trauma to the surface, ungh. Just when I was beginning to bury it in a deep, deep, deep place and forget such things ever occurred.

I still love you though <3 Sorry I retraumatized you. We'll have to build a non-classic zone for those of you with PTSD from that experience. :P

[Mcbard]

I still love you though <3 Sorry I retraumatized you. We'll have to build a non-classic zone for those of you with PTSD from that experience. :P

Judging by your response and my own personal experience this appears to be a big problem. I re-attempted hand ins with various foraged goods after the incident and 5 out of 8 times when standing in front of him and attempting to do a hand in it was the pet that got the roots and not the npc. This seems like a bit of bad pathing or something. :( Not to say that double checking isn't the smart thing to do, but wtf that pet is greedy and I hate him.

[Amelinda]

Judging by your response and my own personal experience this appears to be a big problem. I re-attempted hand ins with various foraged goods after the incident and 5 out of 8 times when standing in front of him and attempting to do a hand in it was the pet that got the roots and not the npc. This seems like a bit of bad pathing or something. :( Not to say that double checking isn't the smart thing to do, but wtf that pet is greedy and I hate him.

could always get a fd class to pull the pet away and run him off to never never land while someone snares dugroz. or roots him and roots the pet - have both people zone and your faction should be fine with dugroz :)

Trust me. I know the pain of handing things to the wrong NPC...or to a charmed NPC and clicking "Give" at the exact moment charm breaks :(

[Amelinda]

OHAI. bump!

[Vohl]

This thread reminds me that Project 1999 quest functionality is not identical to early EQ. I realize the developers are aware of this, and that there are no plans to change this game behavior. I'm posting this hopefully for the benefit of other players.

Original pre-Kunark EverQuest had a quest checklist for each NPC. If you handed all items in and completed the checklist before the NPC was despawned or else awarded a different PC, you got the award (faction hits / coins / quest award items / misc scripted game behavior such as NPCs spawning, aggroing, etc.) On P99, the checklist is there, however the list typically must be completed all at once.

There are exceptions. In Qeynos newbie area, Lashun Novashine will only accept one bonechip at a time, and only heals / grants faction on every other quest. On the live servers, you could hand in two (unstacked) at once. Doing this on P99 causes Lashun to eat any extras.

JBoots work very similarly to the original EQ quest checklist. The quest specifically allows Multi-Questing, however it requires payment in gp rather then other currencies. On the live servers, Hasten allowed any coin that added to the correct amount, as described below.

Original EQ was far more flexible about coin hand-ins. I tested the Miller wolf and bear clothes quests way back when. The quests could all be completed with coin totaling the correct amount. 15gp worked just as well as 14gp, 9sp, 10cp. In fact, I could hand in the appropriate skin along with 14gp, 9sp, 9cp, then complete the quest by handing in 1cp. This was pre-Kunark, but may have been patched in post-launch by a couple of months.

Summing it all up, Project 1999 quests are very particular. Review the quest dialog and the P99 wiki before doing any serious hand-ins.

[Odeseus]

Vohl, I have a question for you.

Where is the evidence that EQ worked as you described a few weeks after Kunark launch (which is more or less where we are in our timeline)? I've seen alot of people claim alot of different things, I believe those that have provided evidence for their position.

I ask this because the devs are willing to change things if you present sufficient evidence that the way YOU remember things is the way they really were. I make a point of this because I mis-remember shit in EQ all the time. I played on live for 10 years. Things have a habit of blurring together and I wasn't paying absolute attention and taking notes of every change throughout those years.

TL;DR - I trust the devs' research over anyone's memories.

[Vohl]

This is firsthand experience - experimentation on the Millers, in fact. The original post where I described this to my guild is long gone - I actually did try my Google Fu. As I mentioned before, I'm not seeking change, just backing up what Amelinda had said and illustrating what the differences are. My memory is fallible, but I trust it in this instance because I ended up writing about it in some forums at the time.

I would add that if Chanda Miller and Lashun Novashine are still to be found on the live servers, these experiments could be repeated. At that point, the question becomes whether or not the quests always worked as they do now.

[Uthgaard]

Chanda is bugged. Just petition in game and if I'm on I'll fix it. 5 gold and a bear pelt arent important enough to need documented in the petition forum.

[aerokella]

This needs to be stickied for all the idiots using ZAM

[Swish]

EXAMPLES:
*Zam claims that Genni in Sol Ro WILL take 55 plat - she doesn't ask for plat. She asks for 550 gold.

*Hasten Bootstrutter wants 3250 gold, the ring and the rapier...zam says he'll take 325 plat. this is not true.

Need to be extremely careful with ZAM as a P99 player. All those "fixes" and evolutions of quests that changed things to make things slightly easier (such as Hasten's 3250 gold into 325pp), it's all after the timeline we are on.

Usually the best "walkthrough" on any popular quest (stein of moggok etc) is only about 3-5 years old having been combined from 5 other attempts to guide players through it, you need to scroll way back to Kunark or before (1999-2001ish) to get accurate information for here. Go figure :D

[Vohl]

The strict use of gold for quest currency was something I'd always thought of as player superstition. It is possible that the coin functionality was patched in after game release, but if so, it was likely pre-Kunark.

I'm sure nobody gives a real rip about Chanda Miller. The only reason I mentioned her was that she was the NPC that I experimented with on the live servers back in 2000. The point was the currency functionality of the quest on live servers being different. I am in no way suggesting this be changed on P99; there are much better ways for the developers to spend their time on this server.

[Amelinda]

well. it depends on the npc as to what they want. when i did my lambent armor on live i used allllll gold. of course i got my lambent pre-kunark but even after kunark when i redid lambent armor quests i used gold. have some respect for the quest and don't just do what makes it easier. enjoy the flavor of the quest instead of 'omgwtf i want this 1337 piece of lewt'

:P

[Vohl]

I don't recall a single quest where NPCs asking for currency requested something other than gold. Everyone used to use gold on the live servers; many insisted the quests worked much as they've been implemented on 1999. Eventually, a lot of the player base learned differently.

I have to wonder if the strictness of quests (hand in the wrong item and the NPC eats it) was part of "The Vision". Quests in various other MMO and adventure games, including many that pre-dated EQ, would simply detect that you had whatever item or flags were needed to complete a quest. In EQ, though, you hold your breath as you present every required item.

[Stormlight]

Chanda is bugged. Just petition in game and if I'm on I'll fix it. 5 gold and a bear pelt arent important enough to need documented in the petition forum.
I just got two belts and a pair of boots from her yesterday.

@Vohl: I tried giving Baobob a low quality wolfskin, 4gp, and 10sp (no bank in Surefall) with no reward. I came back later, handed him 1gp, and was rewarded with a belt. So although the denomination of coin matters, completing the checklist all at once does not, at least in this case.

[Vohl]

Huh. That wasn't the case when I screwed up the Honeyjum quest a few weeks ago. Handing in the 30gp after the honeycombs did not complete the quest for me when I tried it. Maybe the quest scripting for the Millers is different.