How was ring war even possible in 2001?

[HanzzYolo]

70+ people in zone, led by highest ranking guild on server with other competitive guilds joining in, decades of combined EQ knowledge, and still I saw a massive failure of this stupid quest.

Imagine 70+ people in zone in 2001 on dial up. People going linkdead on every new giant spawn. No knowledge of how to cc giants, where they are spawning or what comes next. Most importantly the amount of level 60 Enchanters WITH DICTATE required to do this.

I doubt this quest was completed more than once or twice in 2001. EVERY guild on the server would have to combine to complete this.

[Solist]

P99 isn't classic, even remotely.

Mob tuning isn't classic, every NPC here is significantly harder than classic, especially most raid encounters.

P99 pathing is...lol. Ring war in 2001 could be done by about 20 average P99 raiders if you transported them and their toons back in time.

[Arvan]

You don't need to cast dictate once to win a ringwar

[mycoolrausch]

If you watch video of actual in-era classic EQ (and there are a few) you'll see the secret to killing anything was to have a couple dozen of people in bad kunark quest gear stand around and auto attack the mob until it is dead. sontalak. zlandicar. you name it.

p99 mobs aren't classic and are very jacked and overtuned. but that's ok.

[Gustoo]

If you watch video of actual in-era classic EQ (and there are a few) you'll see the secret to killing anything was to have a couple dozen of people in bad kunark quest gear stand around and auto attack the mob until it is dead. sontalak. zlandicar. you name it.

p99 mobs aren't classic and are very jacked and overtuned. but that's ok.

Quoting for truth because this is all I remember from my limited experience. We just used to throw all the mage and necro pets in like 2x and then everyone runs in and autoattacks and it got the job done most of the time lol.

But I wasn't a big time raider so I can't nit pick anything. The encounters on P99 I've had seemed pretty advanced compared to what I remembered.

I feel like a lot of the dedicated raid players from 1999-2001 aren't trying to relive those days and aren't here but maybe some are and can speak to it.

[SlankyLanky]

If you watch video of actual in-era classic EQ (and there are a few) you'll see the secret to killing anything was to have a couple dozen of people in bad kunark quest gear stand around and auto attack the mob until it is dead. sontalak. zlandicar. you name it.

p99 mobs aren't classic and are very jacked and overtuned. but that's ok.

do you have links for old eq videos that are available? i love finding stuff like that.

[Chortles Snortles]

dark souls 1999

[mycoolrausch]

do you have links for old eq videos that are available? i love finding stuff like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9opZFThy95w

here's a classic!

[starkind]

Code it so that the zone starts randomly disconnecting people once 50 people are in it. The more people in zone the faster it disconnects people. Start at like a rate of 1 every 8 minutes.

[starkind]

Code it so that the zone starts randomly disconnecting people once 50 people are in it. The more people in zone the faster it disconnects people. Start at like a rate of 1 every 8 minutes.

At like 100 ppl it should just churn through like 1 every 15 seconds.

[starkind]

Zones should totally crash and disconnect every one randomly within 3 minutes of 120 players in them. Taking 30 -45 minutes to come back online.

[Trexller]

way back in the day on live (tarew marr) we used to kill naggy/vox/kunark dragons with organized 10-20 pet class raids.

just mages/necros chain summoning pets until the dragon died, it didn't take too long either.

has this ever been tried on p99? if it can't be done that's a real confirmation that p99 mobs are beefed up compared to live.

[starkind]

Some guild once did sky with a bunch of mages, a lot of changes since then tho

[Solist]

If you watch video of actual in-era classic EQ (and there are a few) you'll see the secret to killing anything was to have a couple dozen of people in bad kunark quest gear stand around and auto attack the mob until it is dead. sontalak. zlandicar. you name it.

p99 mobs aren't classic and are very jacked and overtuned. but that's ok.

This.

VP dragons? yeah no problems, 20 pieces of visible bronze and rubicite and crafted etc in any screenshot.

Sont? Cleric standing there casting group CH and gets feared once for 3 seconds, entire fight. Almost all people in cobalt/crusty/etc level gear.

Flurry in camp? no problem, rando crusty war with 2 pieces of warlords tanks it unslowed without a heal grahic for a solid 10 seconds.

P99 is an absolute abomination for difficulty and there is no reason or explanation why.

[Trexller]

one reason i can think of for the beefed up mobs on P99 is that, its a counter against our knowledge. Here in 2021 we know everything about the game and most of its mechanics. The min/max BiS battle has long been won. If mobs were any easier people would be 1 grouping vindi, 3 grouping Vulak, and that's all the content p99 offers.

I imagine back in the day on live, things were adjusted and retooled constantly to balance the game against the players ability. If things were virtually impossible, people would move on to other games and stop paying monthly subs. In-game rewards like gear and the success of a raid kept the monthly subs coming.

The sleeper was supposedly designed to be "unkillable" and that turned out to be an underestimation of the player base, even back then when most of the game was still a mystery.

so imo its a good thing that P99 mobs are tougher than live, trying to make the neckbeards work for their pixels. But even after these years that P99 has been running, they figured out the meta and mastered that too.

[Croco]

one reason i can think of for the beefed up mobs on P99 is that, its a counter against our knowledge. Here in 2021 we know everything about the game and most of its mechanics. The min/max BiS battle has long been won. If mobs were any easier people would be 1 grouping vindi, 3 grouping Vulak, and that's all the content p99 offers.

I imagine back in the day on live, things were adjusted and retooled constantly to balance the game against the players ability. If things were virtually impossible, people would move on to other games and stop paying monthly subs. In-game rewards like gear and the success of a raid kept the monthly subs coming.

The sleeper was supposedly designed to be "unkillable" and that turned out to be an underestimation of the player base, even back then when most of the game was still a mystery.

so imo its a good thing that P99 mobs are tougher than live, trying to make the neckbeards work for their pixels. But even after these years that P99 has been running, they figured out the meta and mastered that too.

You can never put the toothpaste back in the tube. I don't remember seeing where the project owners were trying to recreate the "feel" of classic. The reason p99 is such an abomination is that they're trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want the server to be classic but they continually change things to a non-classic state with zero reason or justification. Yet they require players to submit an affidavit, a blood sample, and sacrifice their first born along with in era proof to get anything we say isn't classic changed.

[Freakish]

The cleric in that video was god awful. His whole group should have been dead 30 seconds into the video. I'm surprised he knew to jboots.

And that was a top guild.

[Trexller]

Yeah alot of us, myself included have pissed and moaned about "not classic whatevers".

Real fact of the matter is that nobody knows to an exacting standard what "classic" was anymore. alot of code was lost/destroyed/sabotaged over the various hand-offs from verant to sony to daybreak.

Rumor has it that TAKP is the next best thing to actually being a "classic" server, because someone walked out of the building with that code on a disk, because they were pissed off that verant ignored and later abandoned the Mac server. So if thats true, it really is the most classic server in existence.

After all the whining and complaining about this and that, alot of us forget to ask the only question that matters:

Do you have fun and enjoy playing EQ on P99? Yes, we all do, or we wouldn't be here complaining about it.

[Croco]

Yeah alot of us, myself included have pissed and moaned about "not classic whatevers".

Real fact of the matter is that nobody knows to an exacting standard what "classic" was anymore. alot of code was lost/destroyed/sabotaged over the various hand-offs from verant to sony to daybreak.

Rumor has it that TAKP is the next best thing to actually being a "classic" server, because someone walked out of the building with that code on a disk, because they were pissed off that verant ignored and later abandoned the Mac server. So if thats true, it really is the most classic server in existence.

After all the whining and complaining about this and that, alot of us forget to ask the only question that matters:

Do you have fun and enjoy playing EQ on P99? Yes, we all do, or we wouldn't be here complaining about it.

Patently false. People do shit all the time they don't enjoy because they're addicted. Go look up the sunk cost fallacy. That explains the vast majority of people that play on p99.

[Gustoo]

There has to be verant server code out there somewhere. It is too far fetched to think that it simply is non existent.

We should do a kickstarter to hire gruff mcgruff the crime dog to find original EQ server code.

At this point I've "played" p99 longer than I have played live, or at least been semi engaged with the p99 world. EQ died for me around LDON that is only 4 years into EQ timeline.

So being era correct for project 1999 is almost good enough. Which is realer the 4 years of real EQ or the 15 years of emulated real EQ on p99?

Dreaming of a p99 vanilla locked server red or blue.

[Varren]

Patently false. People do shit all the time they don't enjoy because they're addicted. Go look up the sunk cost fallacy. That explains the vast majority of people that play on p99.

Oh come on. That is so sad. We’re here to play a game. It’s fun! If you feel this way I advise you to make yourself busy with other pursuits.

[Chortles Snortles]

At this point I've "played" p99 longer than I have played live, or at least been semi engaged with the p99 world.

https://i.imgur.com/QpZNEeR.jpg

[Vianna]

Yeah alot of us, myself included have pissed and moaned about "not classic whatevers".

Real fact of the matter is that nobody knows to an exacting standard what "classic" was anymore. alot of code was lost/destroyed/sabotaged over the various hand-offs from verant to sony to daybreak.

Rumor has it that TAKP is the next best thing to actually being a "classic" server, because someone walked out of the building with that code on a disk, because they were pissed off that verant ignored and later abandoned the Mac server. So if thats true, it really is the most classic server in existence.

After all the whining and complaining about this and that, alot of us forget to ask the only question that matters:

Do you have fun and enjoy playing EQ on P99? Yes, we all do, or we wouldn't be here complaining about it.
Played both p99 and takp. Both servers the mobs are tuned about the same. So this thread is hilarious to read.

[Trexller]

Played both p99 and takp. Both servers the mobs are tuned about the same. So this thread is hilarious to read.

I haven't say for example, compared the hit damage of 'a froglok krup knight' against the same exact level/class/geared toons on both servers simultaneously, but my starting experience on TAKP was definitely a feeling of, "Things are a little bit easier" This is before AAs, or bazaar gear.

Now, xp definitely IS buffed on TAKP (they did that on purpose), thats not what im talking about.

I mean the starting from scratch experience on either server. P99 seems to be more unforgiving when you've got nothing but a few pieces of leather, a rusty halberd or tarnished shan`tok.

Again, i think this is a good thing. All of us know exactly what to do and when to do it in this content, so buffed mobs will slow us down a good bit and make us have to try harder to progress though the limited content.

[Convict]

zero reason or justification.

the reason and justification was literally in the post you quoted lol

[Jimjam]

We don’t know important mob stats like their accuracy, avoidance, attack or mitigation. These values being ‘best guesses’ means no matter how well implemented accurate damage in/out by players no matter how classic the rest of the melee system is.

[Croco]

the reason and justification was literally in the post you quoted lol

You mean the random guesses from the person I quoted?

[Grumph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9opZFThy95w

here's a classic!

Not one single fear from dragon roar?

Definitely not classic.

Also: wtf has an SoD and Willsapper on a warrior still wearing Crafted?

This is a deep fake.

[Croco]

Not one single fear from dragon roar?

Definitely not classic.

Also: wtf has an SoD and Willsapper on a warrior still wearing Crafted?

This is a deep fake.

tell me you didn't play classic everquest without telling me you didn't play classic everquest

[Gustoo]

tell me you didn't play classic everquest without telling me you didn't play classic everquest

Right! lol

[xeffo]

Did my ring10 on Povar in 2001. First of all, cable/DSL were already common by then, so your gripe about dialup is just wrong. People weren't disconnecting for Ringwar. Performance issues back then were more related to the graphical load from many players, not internet latency. I remember getting something like 3-5 FPS during the SK BOTB in Arena, and that was playing top-down view to minimize the amount of models on screen having to be drawn.

Ring War isn't done much differently on p99 than it was on Live. Instead of actively kiting high priests, they were just fought and killed in camp but separate enough to not heal others. And instead of actively running to each new wave spawn, fighting just occurred out front along the river.

[Solist]

God I love the slow moving health bars, not this instant update bullshit we have.

Casually walk in, group CH, noone feared. Dragon facing everyone, noone taking obscene damage. Just full chill spec.

P99 is outright broken, always has been. But videos like that are glorious reminders of what EQ was, and what P99 was meant to be, and never became.

[Fammaden]

Not sure what all this bs is that people were wearing bronze to ToV and shit. I started in Kunark and by late Kunark/early Velious the resident uber guild members were all rocking full planar suits. I remember memorizing how to recognize a class by armor, like purple clerics.

[Worry]

Now that you mention it, I do vividly recall soloing ToV raid mobs on a Warrior in Banded during Velious, personally.

[Boptop]

Only bronze in TOV that I remember were people giving bronze armor to w wing mobs to troll armor farmers

[starkind]

velius wasn't playable until luclin

[starkind]

neither was vp rly lol

[starkind]

most normal ppl raided 2 expansions back and didn't do stuff the day it launched

[AenorVZ]

Had 130 players in butcherblock for a player-run PvP event pre-Kunark. It was laggy as hell but the zone didn't crash. This is why I roll my eyes whenever someone says EQ isn't a PvP game. Crowfall got something like $20 million in funding and lags with a single party of players on screen.

[azxten]

most normal ppl raided 2 expansions back and didn't do stuff the day it launched

This is actually the truth. The top guilds everyone remembers across all servers were barely able to clear expansions before the next expansion came out. Easily 99%+ of players never even raided the easiest stuff in an expansion by the time a new expansion was already coming out. Seeing a level 50 in classic was rare and confirmed someone had no life. Same for 60 in Kunark and ToV raiders in Velious let alone Sleeper.

P99 has a broken leveling curve for various reasons that causes everyone to level way too fast and stack up at max level with multiple alts before classic even ends. Charmed pets are abused in basically every group and raid scenario when in reality you can see the classic era posts from Enchanters wishing they hadn't played their class because it's broken as fuck and mob MR in planes was so high they weren't even trusted to mez mobs and instead just acted as buff bots.

[starkind]

This is actually the truth. The top guilds everyone remembers across all servers were barely able to clear expansions before the next expansion came out. Easily 99%+ of players never even raided the easiest stuff in an expansion by the time a new expansion was already coming out. Seeing a level 50 in classic was rare and confirmed someone had no life. Same for 60 in Kunark and ToV raiders in Velious let alone Sleeper.

P99 has a broken leveling curve for various reasons that causes everyone to level way too fast and stack up at max level with multiple alts before classic even ends. Charmed pets are abused in basically every group and raid scenario when in reality you can see the classic era posts from Enchanters wishing they hadn't played their class because it's broken as fuck and mob MR in planes was so high they weren't even trusted to mez mobs and instead just acted as buff bots.

I was there for the first 3 years. Can't speak for the rest of you.

Great post 👍

[Scalem]

This is actually the truth. The top guilds everyone remembers across all servers were barely able to clear expansions before the next expansion came out. Easily 99%+ of players never even raided the easiest stuff in an expansion by the time a new expansion was already coming out. Seeing a level 50 in classic was rare and confirmed someone had no life. Same for 60 in Kunark and ToV raiders in Velious let alone Sleeper.

P99 has a broken leveling curve for various reasons that causes everyone to level way too fast and stack up at max level with multiple alts before classic even ends. Charmed pets are abused in basically every group and raid scenario when in reality you can see the classic era posts from Enchanters wishing they hadn't played their class because it's broken as fuck and mob MR in planes was so high they weren't even trusted to mez mobs and instead just acted as buff bots.

You really can’t post without bringing up enchanters being “broken” can you? I look forward to your next essay on the topic that gets shit on and ignored and you continue to cry.

[xeffo]

Was raiding easier in era on Live? Yes, but not because P99 devs have intentionally made things harder across the board. It's almost entirely because P99 is run on 3rd party code (EQEMU) which has to be able to support EVERY EQ EXPANSION RELEASED. Why does that matter? I quit live in the middle of Luclin, but from what I've seen on other EQEMU (non-p99) servers that have more expansions enabled, it's pretty clear there was a revamp or rewrite of some of the base NPC behavior and resistance code.

After rewatching the linked videos (which I'm literally in), the main difference is that p99 does not handle spell resistance properly for the era. It was rare for dragon fear to last the full duration, even without 255 MR. You'll note how often it breaks early in Lowlo's videos. It was easier to resist dragon AEs - hence why Sontalak isn't instamelting our MT Grudgebringer who, yes, is sporting some crafted armor. Most noteworthy is probably how this affects charm on p99 - it broke a hell of a lot more often on Live, enough to make the feats p99 enchanters are capable of either not worthwhile or impossible. (caveat: p99 either removed or public knowledge never knew about the undercon Kael giant capable of allowing enchanters to solo KDT)

So it's mostly that they're trying to create an experience that is as accurate as possible but due to software changes (and having no alternative emulator software) they are stuck using something designed for later expansions. There's also many small inaccuracies of information, but those don't affect things as much as the fundamental code differences.

And uh, yes, uber guilds did clear expansions in era. You can't claim to have been following the 'top guilds' across servers and not know about FoH, AL, LoS, or even our little Povar's wannabe, Triton. They all had websites regularly being updated with their raid accomplishments, and things were definitely being killed in era, so stop talking out of your ass. Even in our case, Povar, my guild, Rising Ascension, was not anything resembling a hardcore raiding guild - we had maybe 2 dozen players you could consider 'dedicated' enough to compare to P99's current raid atmosphere - the rest were mixed casual "warmbodies" - and even we cleared Vulak and Tunare unassisted, in era, before Luclin.

EQ is not a difficult or complex game. The mechanics of it have been known and minmaxed for 20 years.

P99 is harder than Live because it's being run on imperfect emulator software with imperfect/inaccurate game database knowledge. That's it. They've done their best. Without access to legacy server/client code, it's not going to get much better.

[SantagarBrax]

velius wasn't playable until luclin

Completely incorrect.

[SantagarBrax]

This is actually the truth. The top guilds everyone remembers across all servers were barely able to clear expansions before the next expansion came out. Easily 99%+ of players never even raided the easiest stuff in an expansion by the time a new expansion was already coming out. Seeing a level 50 in classic was rare and confirmed someone had no life. Same for 60 in Kunark and ToV raiders in Velious let alone Sleeper.

P99 has a broken leveling curve for various reasons that causes everyone to level way too fast and stack up at max level with multiple alts before classic even ends. Charmed pets are abused in basically every group and raid scenario when in reality you can see the classic era posts from Enchanters wishing they hadn't played their class because it's broken as fuck and mob MR in planes was so high they weren't even trusted to mez mobs and instead just acted as buff bots.

While this may have been the case on your server, it most certainly wasn't on Xegony. The knowledge gap was the biggest factor contributing to this delay in raid encounters occurring during a later time line.

I was in a top 5 raiding guild during Luclin on Xegony. While we weren't doing VT's week in and week out, every single other raid content in Luclin was raided before PoP dropped. We went back and did a few select targets from previous expansions, such as Velious - Vulak / AoW's and in Luclin - Ssra Temple / The Deep mob / some VT.

All of this was done pre PoP dropping. Once PoP dropped we still went back for some of those targets. When Gates of Discord came out, the raid encounters were so broken that we could not complete them. It wasn't until later on during Omens of War that we could actually go back and complete raid encounters during GoD due to all the bugs, etc.

Dragons of Norrath was a fun expansion.

[SantagarBrax]

Havenlight and Inner Circle were the top 2 raiding guilds during classic - PoP on Xegony. During PoP, Havenlight disbanded and reformed into Noble Companions. Inner Circle disbanded midway through PoP and reformed into Remnants of Power.

Other mentionable raiding guilds on Xegony included: Immortal #3 or #4, Machin Shin, then all the lesser guilds like BAD, DOOM, etc.

[SantagarBrax]

Also, Archlich was Classic over Demi Lich for better mana regen. It wasn't reversed until past classic era.

[Izzo]

Other mentionable raiding guilds on Xegony included: Immortal #3 or #4, Machin Shin, then all the lesser guilds like BAD, DOOM, etc.
When I raided with Machin Shin my favorite thing to do was whip out Neb's Warbone on farm night. The bigger the target, the harder I laughed.

[Jimjam]

Completely incorrect.

Kinda true for me... I didn’t even buy SoV until LoY/LDON era cos an expansion worth of the everfrost area sounded BORING!

[HanzzYolo]

I agree. One "reason" raid mobs in particular could be overtuned - if it was as easy as having 20-30 people in shitty gear killing a raid mob, the raid scene would be total shit and way too easy.

With 20+ years of experience, raiders now are simply too good and must have an adequate challenge to keep the server interesting.

And i agree - that's ok.

If you watch video of actual in-era classic EQ (and there are a few) you'll see the secret to killing anything was to have a couple dozen of people in bad kunark quest gear stand around and auto attack the mob until it is dead. sontalak. zlandicar. you name it.

p99 mobs aren't classic and are very jacked and overtuned. but that's ok.

[azxten]

Green launch had instanced Teal server, enhanced mob spawns, nerfed quest exp, /list mechanics, etc. Yet it also had SKs AE kiting Specters to level 50 using recharged wands, Enchanters fighting over backstabbing mobs like Osargen in "hot spot" camps like HHK gobs which on live supported 3 separate groups but on P99 was enforced as a single camp you got on a list to join, and planar mobs that are brushed aside like moss snakes in the pursuit of 300 max level players hot off the treadmill getting a chance at earning their guild officers a nice loot item.

Something has gone terribly wrong on P99 if the goal was to recreate classic EQ. The goal of P99 now seems to be to maintain the raid bottleneck and tedium. Someday I hope this meta will change.

[starkind]

solution is ez

toggle pvp on and fight with me in the karanas!

[azxten]

solution is ez

toggle pvp on and fight with me in the karanas!

New PvP server would be great, classic rule set though, any of them.

[Scalem]

Green launch had instanced Teal server, enhanced mob spawns, nerfed quest exp, /list mechanics, etc. Yet it also had SKs AE kiting Specters to level 50 using recharged wands, Enchanters fighting over backstabbing mobs like Osargen in "hot spot" camps like HHK gobs which on live supported 3 separate groups but on P99 was enforced as a single camp you got on a list to join, and planar mobs that are brushed aside like moss snakes in the pursuit of 300 max level players hot off the treadmill getting a chance at earning their guild officers a nice loot item.

Something has gone terribly wrong on P99 if the goal was to recreate classic EQ. The goal of P99 now seems to be to maintain the raid bottleneck and tedium. Someday I hope this meta will change.

Only thing classic about P99 is we are stuck at Velious.

[coki]

I remember people failing this even when planes of power was out

[Tunabros]

unless you were top 1 or 2 guild back in the day, you are not going to see dragons or

do quests like ring war

hell, you probably didn't even know it existed

[unsunghero]

unless you were top 1 or 2 guild back in the day, you are not going to see dragons or

do quests like ring war

hell, you probably didn't even know it existed

Tuna can u check my post on caster section sometime and give me some enchanter advice?

[Tunabros]

Tuna can u check my post on caster section sometime and give me some enchanter advice?

charm shit and don't die

[Ssra]

Green launch had instanced Teal server, enhanced mob spawns, nerfed quest exp, /list mechanics, etc. Yet it also had SKs AE kiting Specters to level 50 using recharged wands, Enchanters fighting over backstabbing mobs like Osargen in "hot spot" camps like HHK gobs which on live supported 3 separate groups but on P99 was enforced as a single camp you got on a list to join, and planar mobs that are brushed aside like moss snakes in the pursuit of 300 max level players hot off the treadmill getting a chance at earning their guild officers a nice loot item.

Something has gone terribly wrong on P99 if the goal was to recreate classic EQ. The goal of P99 now seems to be to maintain the raid bottleneck and tedium. Someday I hope this meta will change.

It was rangers aeing with wands, gotta respect the hustle of that man

[starkind]

It's really not hard to ding 40 without ever getting on a list for a group or item.

Nothing wrong with doing that. It's pretty normal where the bottlenecks are. It's just the meta most people chose. A lot of the current pop where looking for trophies, or competing to be the first. They are already familiar with the game and have their routine.

That said, whens the last time you hunted griffawns or gnolls in EK? Or muddites in xorbb. Or goblins and aviary in OoT. Or TD. Or iksars bandits in EJ. Or goranga and giants from the loio zoneline.

A lot of adventurers and explorers also picked good solo classes for their mains so they could go at their own pace and be self reliant.

Back in the day, everyone wanted to be a knight or warrior and a lot more people played clerics instead of just rolling a necro, shaman, or enchanter.

So the game is a lot different. It's played a lot differently. There's still a ton of wide open space and places to go as long as you're willing to explore. Either pick up a solo class of which you really can get by with wiz, mage, necro, shm, ench, druid, easily enough, or cleric, monk, or a knight with some stamina. Depending in where you want to explore. Bards are evil and stuck with swarming out of doors mostly without really great skill and gear, so I personally don't recommend.

A lot of classes, including wizard. Cleric can get by naked even. And monk, paladin needs next to no gear at all, or it's super cheep. So no listing or bis hunts necessary.

Personally, if I visit ToV or skyshrine its because I sniped faction hits off a giant. Or I'm in rogue stealth or chugging invis/Ivu pots. Not because I want to kill them.

Instead of winning, being top dog, number one the center star. Let the world of Norrath speak to you. And it's players. Take a back seat. Stop striving for ascendance and godhood.

So easily this is forgotten.... go roam around. Enjoy the complexity of the zones. See HHK, visit Carson. Fish out the wonderful inn. No need to kill the mobs. Screenshot and document your adventures and travels and the adventurerers you meet along the way.

This is the way to rekindle that classic spirit.

[unsunghero]

charm shit and don't die

I got half that down

[starkind]

I got half that down

Well. The real trick to using charm is not dying :p

[Boptop]

Imagine playing an enchanter instead of a noble Paladin

[Khaleesi]

If you watch video of actual in-era classic EQ (and there are a few) you'll see the secret to killing anything was to have a couple dozen of people in bad kunark quest gear stand around and auto attack the mob until it is dead. sontalak. zlandicar. you name it.

p99 mobs aren't classic and are very jacked and overtuned. but that's ok.

It does beg the question though, will we ever see an authentic emulation?

[mycoolrausch]

It does beg the question though, will we ever see an authentic emulation?

I hope not! I like the modern QoL titanium UI and other non classic stuff (no mana soft caps etc) lol