Tracker FTE concessions

[crazynUTz587]

Why do guilds have to concede for tracker FTE? Trackers are already not allowed to be on the kill log. What possible competitive advantage am I missing? 95% of the time this will be a mage getting aggro after a wipe, or falling off a ledge, or dropping an eye incorrectly. The other 5% is some random person logging in not knowing they camped near a mob. If anything, it is a competitive disadvantage. The only exception I can think of would be testing ST golems for weapons.

[Ripqozko]

Why do guilds have to concede for tracker FTE? Trackers are already not allowed to be on the kill log. What possible competitive advantage am I missing? 95% of the time this will be a mage getting aggro after a wipe, or falling off a ledge, or dropping an eye incorrectly. The other 5% is some random person logging in not knowing they camped near a mob. If anything, it is a competitive disadvantage. The only exception I can think of would be testing ST golems for weapons.

sorry you dont got raid, hope that helps.

[starkind]

I honestly don't understand what you're saying.

The tracker's guild needs to concede the mob to other guilds? If so the rule is probably there to prevent mass confusion from sloppy tracking.

[Whale biologist]

It's a rule Aftermath demanded after getting owned repeatedly by Rampage gnomes during Velious launch.

[Loke]

It's a rule Aftermath demanded after getting owned repeatedly by Rampage gnomes during Velious launch.

Aftermath and Rampage didn't exist at the same time. Aftermath was formed from the merging of Forsaken and Asgard after Rampage had already disbanded.

[Arvan]

The majority of rules on this box are due to detoxx and co salty crying tears

[Whale biologist]

Aftermath and Rampage didn't exist at the same time. Aftermath was formed from the merging of Forsaken and Asgard after Rampage had already disbanded.

yes that's why i said after

[Loke]

yes that's why i said after

That still doesn't make sense. How could Aftermath be "repeatedly owned by Rampage gnomes" if the two guilds didn't exist at the same time? If you're going to post biased revisionist history, at least get the verifiable details correct.

Some bush league RnF posters these days.

[Whale biologist]

That still doesn't make sense. How could Aftermath be "repeatedly owned by Rampage gnomes" if the two guilds didn't exist at the same time? If you're going to post biased revisionist history, at least get the verifiable details correct.

Some bush league RnF posters these days.

Isn't that why Aftermath was formed? Rampage(gnomes and others) kicked they butts too hard?

[Tunabros]

It's a rule Aftermath demanded after getting owned repeatedly by Rampage gnomes during Velious launch.

lol did you even play on blue?

[Whale biologist]

lol did you even play on blue?

Yes why?

Aren't you like 12? How did YOU play on blue?

[Tunabros]

Rampage was IB + A team and was formed around Velious Launch (might be pre launch

i think)

Aftermath was formed after sleeper awoke and was the Forsaken/Asgard alliance

most of rampage either quit the game or merged into Awakened after the sleeper woke

up

[starkind]

I played on blue in 2010. I forgot all of it tho.

[Solist]

Nowhere near velious launch.

We made Rampage when we came back to P99 from EQmac/Al KAbor, as it was shut down.

So we grabbed the talented folks from The A Team, and raided for about 4-6 weeks taking back VP from TMO. Then rebranded as Rampage, yolo until velious. Then qwinter came and game became shit and boring.

[azxten]

I don't know what is more hilarious. The idea of conceding raid mobs in EQ, having cross guild raid rules in EQ for about 10 years now, or the nerd lore about guild timelines. Also, yes, Aftermath and Rampage existed at the same time. I know because I was kicked out of Forsaken right before they merged due to trolling their officers and having a life outside P99.

Raid rules are so cucked. Staff should stop answering all petitions. PVE EQ was only fun when the GMs ignored all petitions and the play nice policy was more of a suggestion than an iron fisted dictate that would get your account banned for a single made up infraction like on P99.

[starkind]

You need a PHD in everquest law to run a guild, raid.

Classic gatekeeping.

Also none of those guilds existed when I started playing.

[Tunabros]

You need a PHD in everquest law to run a guild, raid.

Classic gatekeeping.

Also none of those guilds existed when I started playing.

also no one cares about you

all your characters on red and green never made past level 10

[Vianna]

It's a rule Aftermath demanded after getting owned repeatedly by Rampage gnomes during Velious launch.

Tracker FTE dates back to Kunark and VP. Try again bud.

[Vianna]

The majority of rules on this box are due to detoxx and co salty crying tears

Not true. Most of the rules in place now were made when VP changed from Train each other to win to competitive racing after TMO had a bunch of characters suspended and had their original leader quit. This was when TMO,FE and IB were all raiding VP. TMO eventually merged with FE and that is the time most of your current rules were put in place. TMO vs IB in VP.

[Arvan]

Not true. Most of the rules in place now were made when VP changed from Train each other to win to competitive racing after TMO had a bunch of characters suspended and had their original leader quit. This was when TMO,FE and IB were all raiding VP. TMO eventually merged with FE and that is the time most of your current rules were put in place. TMO vs IB in VP.

Yeah that plus a bunch of crying wah wah

[Vianna]

yes that's why i said after

Never happened. Most of the FTEing between Forsaken and Rampage happened between Monks/Rogues pulling in the first 4 months of ToV. Pulls to zone in started like a month before Rampage disbanded. CotHing for FTE had just started not long before Rampage left the server. You should stop trying to revise history in this thread. Tracker FTE in ToV never became an issue until it was Aftermath vs Taken. As I have said those rules had long been established since the VP days.

[Vianna]

Yeah that plus a bunch of crying wah wah

No it wasn't much crying. VP changed from camping anywhere in the zone and training each other with no rules...To a zone that needed rules because CSR was now policing it. The Raid Leaders and the GM's at the time worked out the rules that the players would play by.

[Ripqozko]

Tracker FTE dates back to Kunark and VP. Try again bud.

This

[Ripqozko]

Never happened. Most of the FTEing between Forsaken and Rampage happened between Monks/Rogues pulling in the first 4 months of ToV. Pulls to zone in started like a month before Rampage disbanded. CotHing for FTE had just started not long before Rampage left the server. You should stop trying to revise history in this thread. Tracker FTE in ToV never became an issue until it was Aftermath vs Taken. As I have said those rules had long been established since the VP days.

Don't forget the pets on spawn for a bit too, hell we camped at eashen door like half time time for while and trips .

[Arvan]

No it wasn't much crying. VP changed from camping anywhere in the zone and training each other with no rules...To a zone that needed rules because CSR was now policing it. The Raid Leaders and the GM's at the time worked out the rules that the players would play by.

Ya and lots has changed since then. We even have new crier in chief tofat only hyjal approaches his amount of crying

[Ripqozko]

Ya and lots has changed since then. We even have new crier in chief tofat only hyjal approaches his amount of crying

Hyjal is still trying to split trips.

[Convict]

I agree with OP. Theres issues with many of the rules on p99. They were put there for a reason. Tracker fte is there for obvious reasons. Cant have people logging chars in camped at KT or statue and getting insta fte and pull to zoneline. But the problem is when stuff like accidental ones that aren't breaking the spirit of the rule are still insta-concedes and dumb imo.

The other big really dumb rule imo is the 97% rule that exists for the non-call of the zero rooted dragons (yeli and doze) and also Zlandi since its a coth race solo engage, the spirit of the rule there is to prevent an insta engage with a bunch of DA's while they coth their force in effectively blocking FTE and stalling a fight they arent ready for yet. It makes sense, but its dumb when its abused by competing guilds when the spirit of the rule isnt being broken i.e. when its used against a guild that does have a tank on the mob with a heal chain going and dps are actively killing it but just dont have the dps to manage to get it to 97% fast enough and are forced to drop by greedy fuck guilds which are essentially abusing the rule to try and steal a mob they weren't even ready for themselves. This rule also needs to be fixed.

[Convict]

Ya and lots has changed since then. We even have new crier in chief tofat only hyjal approaches his amount of crying

rage double post

tofat being a big crybaby isnt anything new tbh that dudes been whining all over these forums for years. He probably has literal blood pressure and heart related issues from p99 raiding and lost a month off of his life span every time Aftermath lost a FTE race to Awakened.

[Scalem]

I agree with OP. Theres issues with many of the rules on p99. They were put there for a reason. Tracker fte is there for obvious reasons. Cant have people logging chars in camped at KT or statue and getting insta fte and pull to zoneline. But the problem is when stuff like accidental ones that aren't breaking the spirit of the rule are still insta-concedes and dumb imo.

The other big really dumb rule imo is the 97% rule that exists for the non-call of the zero rooted dragons (yeli and doze) and also Zlandi since its a coth race solo engage, the spirit of the rule there is to prevent an insta engage with a bunch of DA's while they coth their force in effectively blocking FTE and stalling a fight they arent ready for yet. It makes sense, but its dumb when its abused by competing guilds when the spirit of the rule isnt being broken i.e. when its used against a guild that does have a tank on the mob with a heal chain going and dps are actively killing it but just dont have the dps to manage to get it to 97% fast enough and are forced to drop by greedy fuck guilds which are essentially abusing the rule to try and steal a mob they weren't even ready for themselves. This rule also needs to be fixed.

Wait it isn’t classic to wait for yellow text on three mobs then start your stop watch and pray it hits 60 seconds so you can scream for someone else to drop the mob?

[Convict]

Wait it isn’t classic to wait for yellow text on three mobs then start your stop watch and pray it hits 60 seconds so you can scream for someone else to drop the mob?

idk guess so. Pretty sure seal team loves this rule, I've heard they have been able to force Kingdom to drop dozekar and yelinak on more than one occasion despite kingdom not stalling and having an active tank and heals running with dps on the mob soon as FTE went out but since they only have like 2 rogues they werent able to hit 97% immediately which was proceeded very quickly by some jackass officer in seal team spamming zone chat demanding they drop it. Very dumb. Still not as bad as blue raid scene tho

[Tunabros]

can we all admit that the player base itself ruined p99 raiding?

it was never great or fun in the first place

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/NvKoahR.gif

[Toxigen]

sorry you dont got raid, hope that helps.

[reznor_]

Hyjal is still trying to split trips.

https://i.imgur.com/d4Dso51.png

[reznor_]

https://i.imgur.com/eB4ZeX0.png

[reznor_]

What a day

[xdrcfrx]

what was the issue with splitting trips? you just tag one out and then have someone pick it up clean once it's far enough away / out of LoS of the other two.

[Detoxx]

Isn't that why Aftermath was formed? Rampage(gnomes and others) kicked they butts too hard?

Aftermath was formed after Rampage got spanked off the server in tears and acting like spoiled children cause they didnt get the first Gharns and waking the sleeper.

Regardless, you are 100% incorrect because tracker FTE was created by Rogean to stop the 200 man socks on spawns for Trak and VS. Rule was well in effect before you IB cronies almost died to TMO and had to absorb half the server to survive.

Next?

[Detoxx]

Nowhere near velious launch.

We made Rampage when we came back to P99 from EQmac/Al KAbor, as it was shut down.

So we grabbed the talented folks from The A Team, and raided for about 4-6 weeks taking back VP from TMO. Then rebranded as Rampage, yolo until velious. Then qwinter came and game became shit and boring.

Lol you seem to have some revisionist history yourself. IB came back and started teaming with FE in VP to try and beat TMO. FE Merged into TMO cause they hated IB that much and then IB was getting destroyed (I heard the TS convo by getsome and hoku sayinh "if we dont do something, we wont make it to velious". You then absorbed A-Team (all of it, you didnt cherry pick who you thought was elite)/

Youre better than this bro, dont just straight up lie!

[Ripqozko]

Lol you seem to have some revisionist history yourself. IB came back and started teaming with FE in VP to try and beat TMO. FE Merged into TMO cause they hated IB that much and then IB was getting destroyed (I heard the TS convo by getsome and hoku sayinh "if we dont do something, we wont make it to velious". You then absorbed A-Team (all of it, you didnt cherry pick who you thought was elite)/

Youre better than this bro, dont just straight up lie!

Wasnt that many in A-team tbh, we also took some bda and few from tmo flipped.

[Solist]

I don't know what is more hilarious. The idea of conceding raid mobs in EQ, having cross guild raid rules in EQ for about 10 years now, or the nerd lore about guild timelines. Also, yes, Aftermath and Rampage existed at the same time. I know because I was kicked out of Forsaken right before they merged due to trolling their officers and having a life outside P99.

Raid rules are so cucked. Staff should stop answering all petitions. PVE EQ was only fun when the GMs ignored all petitions and the play nice policy was more of a suggestion than an iron fisted dictate that would get your account banned for a single made up infraction like on P99.

Why do we have ANY raid rules, except respect FTE, and follow the PNP.

Park a raid force at doze, who cares.
Camp your toons at trak, who cares.
Claim tormax's room as a camp and claim him, who cares.

PNP covers every possibility. If a guild wants to sit at yelinak and do nothing for 4 days 'camping it'...go for it. Zero reason for raid rules, they lose yeli if they leave to go elsewhere and someone claims it.

Whole idea of raid rules is arbitrary and outdated. We had no rules on p99 many times, while maintaining PNP. Never have we not respected FTE, except for a 4 week period in VP, once. We had no PNP for a 6 week period in VP, once. Those times were epic but unsustainable.

The period of no rules worked fine, most of velious start had zero raid rules, worked fine.

[azxten]

Why do we have ANY raid rules, except respect FTE, and follow the PNP.

Because there is always a core of no life losers on P99 that takes raiding way too seriously and monopolizes every raid mob no matter how small it is. Inevitably someone who is actually good at the game shows up and "takes" one of their mobs and they throw a huge hissy fit griefing everyone, kill stealing, etc across the whole server because someone dared "challenge" them. Since they can't actually play the game well they just act like jerks to everyone in any possible situation in game. The GMs get sick of all the petitions from this behavior and while they do suspend and ban the players the said no life losers just immediately create a new character and get power leveled back to max level. They maintain at least a dozen max level characters across multiple logins rotating VPNs to ensure nothing is linked so that they can burn characters being a dick like this and not really be impacted. The GMs eventually realize that they're powerless to stop such pathetic losers from continuing to act like babies and steal mobs in Crushbone from new players given their bans have no effect and so they start to making dramatic statements like, "If you players who are nice and good at the game don't work out some kind of deal with the pathetic no life neck bearded losers to stop this endless petition nightmare we're going to close all raiding down."

And thus.. an agreement and rules are created. The no lifers then abuse the rules to continue to monopolize content and pretend they're actually good players and if anyone challenges them the cycle starts over again and more rules are added.

I used to actually think this was the same group of people for the last 10 years but now I realize it's actually different no life losers who come and go but they're always there for some reason and they're always actually pretty bad at the game and confused time commitment with skill.

[Bardp1999]

Sincerely feel bad for anyone raiding on P99, there's no excuse really.

[AenorVZ]

Because there is always a core of no life losers on P99 that takes raiding way too seriously and monopolizes every raid mob no matter how small it is. Inevitably someone who is actually good at the game shows up and "takes" one of their mobs and they throw a huge hissy fit griefing everyone, kill stealing, etc across the whole server because someone dared "challenge" them. Since they can't actually play the game well they just act like jerks to everyone in any possible situation in game. The GMs get sick of all the petitions from this behavior and while they do suspend and ban the players the said no life losers just immediately create a new character and get power leveled back to max level. They maintain at least a dozen max level characters across multiple logins rotating VPNs to ensure nothing is linked so that they can burn characters being a dick like this and not really be impacted. The GMs eventually realize that they're powerless to stop such pathetic losers from continuing to act like babies and steal mobs in Crushbone from new players given their bans have no effect and so they start to making dramatic statements like, "If you players who are nice and good at the game don't work out some kind of deal with the pathetic no life neck bearded losers to stop this endless petition nightmare we're going to close all raiding down."

And thus.. an agreement and rules are created. The no lifers then abuse the rules to continue to monopolize content and pretend they're actually good players and if anyone challenges them the cycle starts over again and more rules are added.

I used to actually think this was the same group of people for the last 10 years but now I realize it's actually different no life losers who come and go but they're always there for some reason and they're always actually pretty bad at the game and confused time commitment with skill.

https://i.imgur.com/NvKoahR.gif

[Solist]

No lifers is fine.

No rules is fine. Let people camp wherever. Zero rules.

There is no downside to this. Kittens can go sit 10 people on vulaks spawn and keep it clear for 3 months straight, who cares.

All the raid rules are terrible, always have been. I've been part of them since 2010.

[loramin]

Sincerely feel bad for anyone raiding on P99, there's no excuse really.

The only thing cringier than being a P99 raider is being someone who doesn't raid anymore, but still can't stop talking about P99 raiding.

[azxten]

No rules is fine. Let people camp wherever. Zero rules..

I'm in agreement but that isn't how the staff feel. I have played on a lot of emulated servers across a dozen games and one thing that is mostly constant is the staff interfering with a heavy hand in game disputes. Classic EQ if you petitioned someone kill stole you or took your camp or whatever pretty much nothing was going to happen. You weren't going to get an answer.

On P99 though bans are handed out like candy for this kind of stuff. It's probably related to the small player base emulated servers have. On Live you had one server GM for 3-5,000 players across an even larger player base that wasn't logged on. On P99 for example there are multiple server GMs, devs, guides, etc for 2 servers now with <1k players and most of those people are playing both servers and they are very active players where they basically make up the playerbase there is a much less significant long tail of offline players.

I've been a game server admin before and resisting the temptation to fuck with your player base is hard. Both good or bad fucking with them it's just hard to keep your hands off because you think you can make things better by interfering. Takes awhile to learn that sometimes it's better to keep your hands off. P99 has catered to an audience now that expects rule lawyering and hand holding from GMs so if they ever went back it would probably dramatically impact the population as all the people who don't like that environment don't play here anymore.

[AenorVZ]

Good points, especially as it applies to staff intervention that impacted the long term health of Red, and how they should consider such intervention in the future on Purple.

[starkind]

we should have a server that is a real elf court room and players can get jury duty if they dont show up to the ban hearings they get suspy for 10 days misdemeaner and the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt links provided in discord for actual evidence and up to the gms if they want to do any investigation server side

i would pay to watch this on cable on P99NN

[Tunabros]

we should have a server that is a real elf court room and players can get jury duty if they dont show up to the ban hearings they get suspy for 10 days misdemeaner and the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt links provided in discord for actual evidence and up to the gms if they want to do any investigation server side

i would pay to watch this on cable on P99NN

stfu you never raided a second in your entire life

[Vianna]

Why do we have ANY raid rules, except respect FTE, and follow the PNP.

Park a raid force at doze, who cares.
Camp your toons at trak, who cares.
Claim tormax's room as a camp and claim him, who cares.

PNP covers every possibility. If a guild wants to sit at yelinak and do nothing for 4 days 'camping it'...go for it. Zero reason for raid rules, they lose yeli if they leave to go elsewhere and someone claims it.

Whole idea of raid rules is arbitrary and outdated. We had no rules on p99 many times, while maintaining PNP. Never have we not respected FTE, except for a 4 week period in VP, once. We had no PNP for a 6 week period in VP, once. Those times were epic but unsustainable.

The period of no rules worked fine, most of velious start had zero raid rules, worked fine.

Because a big enough guild would sit at and camp most of the important spawns and lock them down. You don't want that poopsock nightmare.

[Whale biologist]

we should have a server that is a real elf court room and players can get jury duty if they dont show up to the ban hearings they get suspy for 10 days misdemeaner and the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt links provided in discord for actual evidence and up to the gms if they want to do any investigation server side

i would pay to watch this on cable on P99NN

Archeage has that kinda. Too bad Archeage sucks!!

[myrddraal]

Because there is always a core of no life losers on P99 that takes raiding way too seriously and monopolizes every raid mob no matter how small it is. Inevitably someone who is actually good at the game shows up and "takes" one of their mobs and they throw a huge hissy fit griefing everyone, kill stealing, etc across the whole server because someone dared "challenge" them. Since they can't actually play the game well they just act like jerks to everyone in any possible situation in game. The GMs get sick of all the petitions from this behavior and while they do suspend and ban the players the said no life losers just immediately create a new character and get power leveled back to max level. They maintain at least a dozen max level characters across multiple logins rotating VPNs to ensure nothing is linked so that they can burn characters being a dick like this and not really be impacted. The GMs eventually realize that they're powerless to stop such pathetic losers from continuing to act like babies and steal mobs in Crushbone from new players given their bans have no effect and so they start to making dramatic statements like, "If you players who are nice and good at the game don't work out some kind of deal with the pathetic no life neck bearded losers to stop this endless petition nightmare we're going to close all raiding down."

And thus.. an agreement and rules are created. The no lifers then abuse the rules to continue to monopolize content and pretend they're actually good players and if anyone challenges them the cycle starts over again and more rules are added.

I used to actually think this was the same group of people for the last 10 years but now I realize it's actually different no life losers who come and go but they're always there for some reason and they're always actually pretty bad at the game and confused time commitment with skill.

hey now, people need things like fear golems for aons to sell for plat to RMT!

[Solist]

Because a big enough guild would sit at and camp most of the important spawns and lock them down. You don't want that poopsock nightmare.

You didn't read.

The PNP does not allow you to claim more than one camp, when there is competition.

A big guild is forced to concede by the rules, a camp of their choice.

So let vanquish sit a group on tormax's throne, and one at dozekar. If TSS say they want one of them, vanq has to let one go. Job done.

Cycle repeats, until people run out of groups to sit on spawns, time to poopsock etc.

There is zero need for raid rules when the PNP exists, as it has existed since day 1 of P1999. It's just not ever been enforced.

[Vianna]

You didn't read.

The PNP does not allow you to claim more than one camp, when there is competition.

A big guild is forced to concede by the rules, a camp of their choice.

So let vanquish sit a group on tormax's throne, and one at dozekar. If TSS say they want one of them, vanq has to let one go. Job done.

Cycle repeats, until people run out of groups to sit on spawns, time to poopsock etc.

There is zero need for raid rules when the PNP exists, as it has existed since day 1 of P1999. It's just not ever been enforced.
You aren't understanding the rules. The only rule is you can't have multiple FTEs in the PNP. It doesn't say your guild can't have multiple camps. You are looking at the rules for groups.

[Solist]

Correct. Scale PNP for raids. Job done.

Remove all other raid rules.

[Terrok]

The majority of rules on this box are due to detoxx and co salty crying tears

[Ovaltine]

Why do we have ANY raid rules, except respect FTE, and follow the PNP.

Park a raid force at doze, who cares.
Camp your toons at trak, who cares.
Claim tormax's room as a camp and claim him, who cares.

PNP covers every possibility. If a guild wants to sit at yelinak and do nothing for 4 days 'camping it'...go for it. Zero reason for raid rules, they lose yeli if they leave to go elsewhere and someone claims it.

Whole idea of raid rules is arbitrary and outdated. We had no rules on p99 many times, while maintaining PNP. Never have we not respected FTE, except for a 4 week period in VP, once. We had no PNP for a 6 week period in VP, once. Those times were epic but unsustainable.

The period of no rules worked fine, most of velious start had zero raid rules, worked fine.

Hell, there is nothing stopping the GMs from 'trying something' for a couple weeks or a month. Take away all rules in raid zones for a month. No PNP no petitions, nothing. See how that works out. Maybe guilds will crawl back asking for the rules again, or maybe not idk but it sounds like chaos and fun. Maybe try no raid rules but PNP in effect for 2 weeks. Try some shit out, it has to be better than whats goin on now.