60 ENC and 60 SHM gearing each other through soloing

[hagglebaby]

I have a 60 enc with none of the expensive spells / no epic. I’m closing in on a 60 Shaman as well who also has none of the good gear or spells. By the time he is 60 I will have probably 100k pp between both toons.

My play schedule makes it impossible for me to contribute to a guild so I just solo farm.

After they are geared/spells I would like to be able to try some solo artist challenge stuff.
The ultimate dream would be to eventually pay for the ENC epic MQ from doing cash camps or selling farmed items. I’m guessing the ENC epic would probably be last because I don’t think it helps me farm anything else really. It just looks cool.

What would be the best way to spend the 100K and what is the order in which you would accumulate gear/spells for both toons?

Thanks for your time

[starkind]

nice job boxing a shaman and ench almost to 60 both without getting caught!

[Crede]

You’re on the right track. Get the enc epic, the clicky haste is just too convenient for spell swapping along with the stats. Shamans are powerful but way more expensive and enc will just be more efficient at what you’re trying to do.

[Stryker85]

Spend the money on Torpor first and foremost, it doesn't really matter too much after that.

[Jibartik]

Spend the money on Torpor first and foremost, it doesn't really matter too much after that.

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based on your income and level, it sounds like you played the shaman exactly correctly: squirreled away the cash to get torp when you ding.

[hagglebaby]

You’re on the right track. Get the enc epic, the clicky haste is just too convenient for spell swapping along with the stats. Shamans are powerful but way more expensive and enc will just be more efficient at what you’re trying to do.

Wouldn’t this leave me with a useless shaman and a slightly more useful enchanter than I currently have?

[hagglebaby]

https://i.imgur.com/ahezrWM.gif

based on your income and level, it sounds like you played the shaman exactly correctly: squirreled away the cash to get torp when you ding.


Spend the money on Torpor first and foremost, it doesn't really matter too much after that.



This is what I was thinking however the only thing that is nagging at me to not go this way is:

torpor is one of the only high end shaman gear/spells I could theoretically farm myself. I know it’s ultra rare but it is possible. Whereas shaman/enc epic I will never get solo.

[Disease]

Pretty sure you can't MQ the enchanter epic, just buy LR for a couple of the bottlenecks(fear,chardok,nek,cabilis).

I would dump that money into torpor and the rest of the stuff into shaman gear/epic mq. Enchanter with 100k in gear is the same as one with 10k gear. The only difference is you might last 2 extra rounds on a charm break.

[Bardp1999]

Pretty sure you can't MQ the enchanter epic, just buy LR for a couple of the bottlenecks(fear,chardok,nek,cabilis).

I would dump that money into torpor and the rest of the stuff into shaman gear/epic mq. Enchanter with 100k in gear is the same as one with 10k gear. The only difference is you might last 2 extra rounds on a charm break.

Shaman will benefit from the gear/spells 100000x more than the enchanter.

Would buy torp, shaman epic, and a fungi as the top 3 shopping list items. Wouldn't buy anything for the enchanter

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Buy Torpor and then the most necessary enchanter spells. Those will help more than any items could.

Edit: With regards to your idea about solo finding Torpor, remember that Buying Torpor will increase your platinum farming substancially, so you will get the money back faster. Probably the same with some of those enchanter spells. Torpor also makes solo finding Torpor easier, which would recoup your cost anyway.

[Master Roshi]

Torpor is the biggest thing for you, aside from that it wont matter much. Maybe nab a Fungi for the shammy if you don't already have.

[Solist]

Thread full of people who aren’t helpful.

Join vanquish or riot.

You raid for 10 mins, occasionally. Pick up your spells for 1dkp. Instant help for epic spawns available.

It takes zero effort to get amazing raid gear, just popping on when schedules align. 80% of the people in both guilds have like statistically zero attendance. Still buy plenty of loot.

[starkind]

P99 were epics are sold at walmart (for In GaAMe cUreNcY) only and not by certain people for certain kinds of favors :p

[Sacer]

Thread full of people who aren’t helpful.

Join vanquish or riot.

You raid for 10 mins, occasionally. Pick up your spells for 1dkp. Instant help for epic spawns available.

It takes zero effort to get amazing raid gear, just popping on when schedules align. 80% of the people in both guilds have like statistically zero attendance. Still buy plenty of loot.

There is a bit of exaggeration in that post but there is also some truth to it, unless you just enjoy farming plats that much I would also save the 100k plat and get those shaman spells for free from a raiding guild.

The time investment is not that high and is well worth it.

Keep the plats to buy a fungi + cloak of flame and have fun making new toons.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Thread full of people who aren’t helpful.

Join vanquish or riot.

You raid for 10 mins, occasionally. Pick up your spells for 1dkp. Instant help for epic spawns available.

It takes zero effort to get amazing raid gear, just popping on when schedules align. 80% of the people in both guilds have like statistically zero attendance. Still buy plenty of loot.

This isn't quite accurate. Torpor is still quite a rare spell. I have only seen it a few times during my time raiding. Honestly Child's Tears are more common. The problem with waiting for Torpor is your Shaman isn't very useful until he gets it. So yes, you could wait a few months and only attend Kunark raids like Trak, but that isn't a guarantee it will drop.

I would buy Torpor for the Shaman so you can farm faster. Save your DKP for things that can usually only be bought with DKP, and save a little DKP for a Child's Tear.


Keep the plats to buy a fungi + cloak of flame and have fun making new toons.

If your Shaman has Torpor, they can camp Fungi or CoF:) It's still better to get Torpor ASAP and then you can get great items/plat much faster while you are not raiding.

[Sacer]

If your Shaman has Torpor, they can camp Fungi or CoF:) It's still better to get Torpor ASAP and then you can get great items/plat much faster while you are not raiding.

I am aware I have a torpor shaman myself, and it still require a lot of time to farm 100k.

Torpor isn't that rare if your guild do VP, I've seen dozens.

That's coming from someone that bought torpor for 75k, I regretted it later on since I was raiding anyway and I could had it for free.

edit : Also shaman is always seen as the godlike farmer on these forums, but personally I've made A LOT more plats with my chanter and monk (hell even on my cleric). On those highend cash camp the mob are usually high level enough that it's a pain in the ass to slow, and you don't bring much dps especially if it's hard to land any spell.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I am aware I have a torpor shaman myself, and it still require a lot of time to farm 100k.

Torpor isn't that rare if your guild do VP, I've seen dozens.

That's coming from someone that bought torpor for 75k, I regretted it later on since I was raiding anyway and I could had it for free.

edit : Also shaman is always seen as the godlike farmer on these forums, but personally I've made A LOT more plats with my chanter and monk (hell even on my cleric). On those highend cash camp the mob are usually high level enough that it's a pain in the ass to slow, and you don't bring much dps especially if it's hard to land any spell.

I also bought Torpor for 75k, and it wasn't hard to make that money back. Enchanters and Shamans are good at farming different things. The benefit to having both is you can adjust your farming strat based on what is currently being camped.

VP requires you to get your key, and not everyone wants to do that. Again, that would require the pre-requisite of getting your near-useless Shaman VP keyed, and then waiting for Torpor to drop.

It comes down to how patient you are, and how much you like to play your Shaman. Joining a guild and waiting for Torpor would save money in the short term, but keep your Shaman in limbo for however long that takes, which could easily be months.

Buying Torpor now would allow you to play your Shaman AND farm faster, so you would be making more money during that same period of time you were waiting for Torpor. I would say that is a better trade-off, unless you plan on never farming items again.

[Sacer]

It's true I forgot about the VP key wich is a 20 - 30k investment, there is also the benefit of geting some nice shaman clickies like the hammer of the dragonborn but I digress.

At least OP knows it's a possibility and many people get their torpor that way.

[Toxigen]

Get all shaman spells.

Shaman epic MQ.

Fungi.

Now all solo cash camps are yours to steamroll. Save for a Zlandicar's Heart. When you're bored of the shaman, buy a Z heart for your enchanter...its arguably better / more important than epic for solo enc.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

It's true I forgot about the VP key wich is a 20 - 30k investment, there is also the benefit of geting some nice shaman clickies like the hammer of the dragonborn but I digress.

At least OP knows it's a possibility and many people get their torpor that way.

Agreed, it is good you mentioned the guild route. It is possible OP doesn't mind waiting, and I have known quite a few people who have gone that route. It is especially good if you DON'T currently have the money for Torpor. If you can farm plat AND join a guild, you have two paths to getting the spell.

Me personally I have never VP keyed my Shaman because the items in there just aren't that good for Shamans. The main reason to bring a Shaman to VP is to help the guild, but most top guilds have enough Shaman guild bots VP keyed. There are other classes who would be more beneficial to the guild VP keyed if you have more than one toon.

Robe of the Azure Sky is good for fashion I guess, but now that Velious is out Vindi BP is 100% better.

Crown of Rile isn't bad, but the best part about it is the restore fatigue component. There are better stat pieces in Velious for the head slot.

Yunnb's earring is a good mana piece, but you will often need to swap it for a better resistance piece (no MR on Yunnb's Earring), so you aren't wearing it all the time.

Shroud of Veeshan is a great stat piece, but suffers from no resistances, so it will be swapped out for resistances a decent portion of the time.

Spear of Constriction makes some mobs a bit easier, but I have yet to fight a mob that requires snare instead of just root. I have videos on the utility of snare on Shamans in my Youtube Channel.

Hammer of the Dragonborn isn't useful when soloing (Avatar is better and doesn't stack with Hammer Buff), and in raids I can count the number of times I have been asked for Hammer buff on two hands. In raids it is harder to justify the buff because of buff limits, and obviously anyone looking to maximize their DPS will prefer Avatar. Anyone who would want it for the STA is often times STA capped anyway by Velious.

Smoldering Cudgel is good for a melee swap when soloing, so it is good for making fights a bit faster. But I have never needed it to finish a fight.

[Jibartik]

I have a 60 enc with none of the expensive spells / no epic. I’m closing in on a 60 Shaman as well who also has none of the good gear or spells. By the time he is 60 I will have probably 100k pp between both toons.

What would be the best way to spend the 100K and what is the order in which you would accumulate gear/spells for both toons?

Thanks for your time

Delete the enchanter and buy 2x puppet strings for the shaman.

:o

[starkind]

they way you guys play this game is super wierd, its like u dont even play it until ur lvl 60 in bis then u just kill greens

(lol)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

they way you guys play this game is super wierd, its like u dont even play it until ur lvl 60 in bis then u just kill greens

(lol)

If you are referring to Shamans, Torpor is a game changer. Many classes do not get a game changer as big as Torpor, so it makes sense why it can be hard to understand for players who haven't played a class with this.

Shamans spells are VERY mana heavy, so playing without Torpor limits what a Shaman can do quite a bit in all aspects (solo, grouping, raiding). That is why all Shamans want a Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + Black Fur Boots + Epic + JBB + any other mana saving clickie before level 60. That is the only way Shamans can offset their high mana cost spells before Torpor.

Obviously Shamans must get to 60 without Torpor, but it is a fairly limited path if you want to do it with any efficiency. Once you hit 60 your Shaman honestly cannot do a lot of good content without Torpor. This means your level 60 Shaman without Torpor isn't much different from your Shaman before level 60.

The biggest spell improvement (besides Torpor) at level 60 is Malo. Unfortunately since your level 59 Shaman can't solo a lot of harder content to begin with due to not having Torpor, Malo isn't as useful as you think. This is because most mobs you would be fighting at 59 are enough levels below you to have Malosini land consistently enough anyway. Malo is really used for harder mobs that have higher level/resistances. But as mentioned above, you cannot fight said harder mobs without Torpor usually. This means your mob selection between 59 and 60 doesn't really change until you get Torpor. Also, Malo is 150 more mana, so again it considerably reduces how many spells you can cast before you run out of mana and HP to cannibalize.

Malo is still good in grouping scenarios without Torpor, so it will give you a leg up when looking for groups that do harder content, such as Ixiblat Fer. However, there are plenty of Torpor Shamans on the server, so you will probably get passed over for a Torpor Shaman if that group had a choice.

[Jibartik]

torp is single handedly the most OP i've ever felt in this game haha I was like, oh I'm invincible now...

It's like, worst case senario happens, mobs everywhere, pet breaks, shaman casts 2 short cast spells, everyone is invincible.

[Tewaz]

The Enchanter with Bedlam can solo mobs that drop crowns and thrones in PoM if you want to farm plat to deck out the shaman. Torpor > Epic > Fungi seems to be the road.

[Tethler]

Get all shaman spells.

Shaman epic MQ.

Fungi.

Now all solo cash camps are yours to steamroll. Save for a Zlandicar's Heart. When you're bored of the shaman, buy a Z heart for your enchanter...its arguably better / more important than epic for solo enc.

Was gonna type out a post, but Toxigen basically said it

[starkind]

i have to admit torpor is pretty cool but i'd probalby quit my shaman once i got it :D

[Jimjam]

i have to admit torpor is pretty cool but i'd probalby quit my shaman once i got it :D

It’s a but of a toon killer, like the mage epic, once you get it you do a couple of absurd things and be like “welp, this is it. Character is completed.”

[Toxigen]

It’s a but of a toon killer, like the mage epic, once you get it you do a couple of absurd things and be like “welp, this is it. Character is completed.”

Mage epic is definitely a char retiring item. Torpor unlocks a lot of solo stuff...and if you've taken a shaman that far chances are you've got big target solo play in mind.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Mage epic is definitely a char retiring item. Torpor unlocks a lot of solo stuff...and if you've taken a shaman that far chances are you've got big target solo play in mind.

Agreed, Torpor isn't a character retiring item. Mage Epic is WAY harder to get and takes years often times. Torpor can be gained at basically any time if you spend the time to farm money/items (or go on a lot of Kunark raids). Getting 80k is much easier than getting Mage Epic unless you are that 1 in a billion person who has Earth Staff drop on your first or second Hate raid, and you win the roll/bid. Earth Staff is at least 10x more expensive than Torpor, and it is very difficult to find a seller.

[hagglebaby]

Get all shaman spells.

Shaman epic MQ.

Fungi.

Now all solo cash camps are yours to steamroll. Save for a Zlandicar's Heart. When you're bored of the shaman, buy a Z heart for your enchanter...its arguably better / more important than epic for solo enc.

I was under the impression that fungi and epic were more for lvlling. Is it like torpor/spells is reaching 90% of your solo potential and fungi/epic is the last 10%?

[Toxigen]

I was under the impression that fungi and epic were more for lvlling. Is it like torpor/spells is reaching 90% of your solo potential and fungi/epic is the last 10%?

Epic you'll use 100%. Fungi is debatable...but unless you want to pay for loot rights on a Vindi BP...its still your overall best bet.

Plus you'll have the fungi for your inevitable melee mega-twink.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Epic you'll use 100%. Fungi is debatable...but unless you want to pay for loot rights on a Vindi BP...its still your best bet.

Plus you'll have the fungi for your inevitable melee mega-twink.

Agreed, Fungi honestly isn't necessary once you have Torpor. It is still a great item if you don't have Vindi BP, but I wouldn't prioritize that unless you have nothing else to buy.

As you say, that Fungi would work better on a melee twink anyway.