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bradsamma
12-20-2021, 12:09 PM
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YGrN6xcPBHOSrXqlubLzxSo4wNTcgS5D/view

Is it accurate to the best of our knowledge? Or is it fairly definitive?

thestallion1
12-20-2021, 12:50 PM
I dont remember poisions having more hate than slows/stuns, just a better resistance check. I could be wrong tho.

bradsamma
12-20-2021, 05:09 PM
Yeah, I think that's because they're including dot damage in them?

long.liam
01-17-2022, 03:50 AM
I'd say it seems accurate. I know that the hate for Slow procs were capped at 400 and I guess the Stuns were capped there as well. Any procs that either do some type of debuff and damage seem to generate hate better. I think it seems pretty accurate.

Samoht
01-18-2022, 01:47 PM
The hate values on some of these procs seems A) wrong and B) that you get hate for the full duration of the DOT up front when they have a DOT

Examples:
Infestation: listed as 650 hate per proc. procs Poison, which is gonna have 400 hate for the poison counters and 12 hate for the nuke instantly then 10 damage per tick for 15 ticks... I'm not sure how that adds up to 650.

Nevederia's Horn: listed as 400 hate per proc. procs Suffocate, which should be 105 hate upfront for the debuff (1 hate per stat debuff) and then 11 damage per tick for 18 ticks... once again, not 400 hate.

Frostrbringer: listed as 550 hate per proc. procs Frostbite, which debuffs AC and is assumed to be worth 400 hate and a 60 dd which adds up to 460 hate per proc.

Silver Whip of Rage: listed as 400 hate per proc. procs Silver Skin, which is a mini rune that gives 150 absorb. not sure what runes are worth any more, but the hate had a major reduction.

Anklesmasher/Silken Whip of Ensnaring: listed as 450 hate per proc. Hate is capped at 400 per effect, but Snare is not even worth 450 if it wasn't capped...

All of the weapons that proc Ykesha are listed as 575 hate. This spell is a 0.0 second DD stun. The stun is worth 400 hate, the DD is worth 75. This adds up to 475 hate per proc.

Wavecrasher/Trident of the Deep Sea seem wrong for having too little hate. Both are listed as 400 but the proc is a slow which should be worth 400 and a dot with 20 per tick for 10 ticks on Wavecrasher/25 ticks on Tident. If Infestation and Nevederia's Horn are so high for their DOT, why are these so low?

The white hate on main hand may be close to accurate, but we need to include procs, and I don't trust the hate listed for a lot of the procs.

Was this chart published before the proc nerf? Who even published it? Can they update it?

Seems like source is here (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321686). Posted after the nerf. Looks like the author was given this information on procs and chose to ignore it.

Author hasn't posted in more than a year now. Maybe someone should message them to see if they respond to request an updated list. Or make a new list yourselves.

Samoht
01-18-2022, 03:04 PM
Here's the top 20 I came up with just by correcting the spell threat from that chart (assume 2 procs per minute mainhand and 5 ticks per proc because they overwrite)

https://i.imgur.com/dle3TXQ.png