New X-men

[JayDee]

sucks

The mutant abilities are fucking stupid. Some black dudes mutation is being able to "adapt" to anything and he gets blown up in his first confrontation. no clarification as to what his power actually was. Lenny Kravitz daughter was a bitch with wings who spits fireballs. Some dude shoots discs from his stomach and never does anything with it.

Big plot holes too and nothing memorable like in the first 2 x-men. Movie sucked and watched it drunk easy to impress.

Thumbs down nigs

[Nocte]

All those mutants exist (although renamed in one or two cases) in the comics. Don't fault the movie for the powersets of the characters - those were created by Marvel, fault the movie for picking the most obscure fucking characters to include in the movie. The real members of the First Class were Beast, Jean Grey, Cyclops, Iceman, and Angel (the blonde dude with the bird wings, not the stripper with the bug wings).

I gave the movie a 5/10, myself. They focused more on Xavier's non-canonical friendship with Mystique (who was played by a total hottie, though) rather than his friendship with Magneto, which is what the movie was supposed to be about. Also, Kevin Bacon is an unconvincing bad guy, I kept expecting a Kenny Loggins song to start and a dance montage to follow.

[JayDee]

They focused more on Xavier's non-canonical friendship with Mystique (who was played by a total hottie, though) rather than his friendship with Magneto, which is what the movie was supposed to be about. Also, Kevin Bacon is an unconvincing bad guy, I kept expecting a Kenny Loggins song to start and a dance montage to follow.

Agree with the Kevin Bacon assessment fully

I will also say that the actors playing Magneto and Xavier didn't have the same chemistry Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen had. Maybe partially because they're way better actors and the scripts were better imo.

Definitely disappointing they didn't expand on the development of their relationship.

[fiegi]

January Jones must have blown half of the directors in hollywood to keep getting jobs

[guineapig]

sucks

The mutant abilities are fucking stupid. Some black dudes mutation is being able to "adapt" to anything and he gets blown up in his first confrontation. no clarification as to what his power actually was. Lenny Kravitz daughter was a bitch with wings who spits fireballs. Some dude shoots discs from his stomach and never does anything with it.

Big plot holes too and nothing memorable like in the first 2 x-men. Movie sucked and watched it drunk easy to impress.

Thumbs down nigs

"The black dude" was Darwin. Basically his skin and flesh adapted to the environment. Hence why they clearly show im growing gills in water and scales to block blunt force attacks. He died because he was blown up from the inside.

The "dude who shoots discs" is Havoc (Cyclopse's dad actually) and he doesn't shoot discs. The disc on his chest was a device created by Beast in an attempt to focus his energy blasts which he had trouble doing on his own.

I recall him doing quite a bit at the end of the movie including saving Banshee from Tempest with his energy blast.

Angel Salvadore is also an old character in the x-men universe (yes 2 Angels). That was actually her real name. Her codename was Tempest. I must admit I am unsure as to why they didn't clarify this.

Seems like you are not too familiar with the universe.

[Goofier]

Been a while since I was an avid collector, for instance I didn't know they made Havoc into the Summers father.

That being said, I've always felt that Banshee and Havoc were two of the dumbest X-Men ever.

And no, sorry, Angel Salvadore is not an 'old' character. First appearance 2001? Please. Beast has dingleberries older than that.

[JayDee]

Seems like you are not too familiar with the universe.

Watched the cartoon daily before elementary school. Don't recall ever seeing them or hearing them mentioned.

[JayDee]

Been a while since I was an avid collector, for instance I didn't know they made Havoc into the Summers father.

That being said, I've always felt that Banshee and Havoc were two of the dumbest X-Men ever.

And no, sorry, Angel Salvadore is not an 'old' character. First appearance 2001? Please. Beast has dingleberries older than that.

Thank you for defending my honor good lad

[Zaes]

The "dude who shoots discs" is Havoc (Cyclopse's dad actually) and he doesn't shoot discs. The disc on his chest was a device created by Beast in an attempt to focus his energy blasts which he had trouble doing on his own.

Seems like you are not too familiar with the universe.

Havoc is Cyclops' brother. Their dad is Corsair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsair_%28comics%29)

[Nocte]

Havoc is Cyclops' brother. Their dad is Corsair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsair_%28comics%29)

This.

[JayDee]

Seems like you are not too familiar with the universe.

Turns out you are not either :)

Let that be a lesson to you all. Wikipedia is not the most reliable source for information.

[Goofier]

Havoc is Cyclops' brother. Their dad is Corsair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsair_%28comics%29)

Ahhhh, that's why it didn't sound right to me. Yeah, I remember that part now you point it out, thanks :)

[Constellations]

Havoc is Cyclops' brother. Their dad is Corsair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsair_%28comics%29)

This, I got mad when you said he was his dad.

[Koota]

pwned.

[Trisun]

Rotten Tomatoes gave it a 86% approval. I don't know about you guys but I thought the movie was shit. It was stupid how they came up with the names for each other. I was hoping that they would get their names from the Government they were working for or something as code names.

P.S. Rotten Tomatoes pisses me off because they are wrong about 99% of the time. Hangover 2 got 36% and it was funny as shit. Fuck them

[Goofier]

P.S. Rotten Tomatoes pisses me off because they are wrong about 99% of the time. Hangover 2 got 36% and it was funny as shit. Fuck them

The Sixth Sense is the one I like to pick on. Rated 85% and didn't need to see anything past the anniversary dinner. Possibly the most transparent movie of all time, behind Shutter Island. And Inception at 86%? What a load of trash.

[snwbrdr642]

i dont blame him if this movie is meant to be inline with the other 3 this would make havoc older than cyclops, and (idk about the various comics) but in cartoons he's always depicted as the younger brother that cyclops couldn't save or something so they were separated as kids and cyclops blames himself.

[Constellations]

i dont blame him if this movie is meant to be inline with the other 3 this would make havoc older than cyclops, and (idk about the various comics) but in cartoons he's always depicted as the younger brother that cyclops couldn't save or something so they were separated as kids and cyclops blames himself.

Are you sure you are not thinking of Vulcan? The third Summers kid...

[Trisun]

The Sixth Sense is the one I like to pick on. Rated 85% and didn't need to see anything past the anniversary dinner. Possibly the most transparent movie of all time, behind Shutter Island. And Inception at 86%? What a load of trash.

Wasn't a big fan of inception to be honest I fell asleep. But its all good. RT is a bunch of people who claim to be movie critics but wouldn't know a good movie if it bit them on the ass.

[Prince]

u ppl are dumb, inception was really good and so was the sixth sense.

[Goofier]

u ppl are dumb, inception was really good and so was the sixth sense.

Go play live.

Oh, wait...

[guineapig]

Meh, father brother... I was close. Just goes to show that maybe I didn't wiki it after all? :rolleyes:

My point with Angel Salvatore is that she was in the universe before the movie. So she's only been around for decade, sue me. :(


(Edit: Havoc made an appearance in 2 X-Men cartoons. That I did have to look up on wiki :p but I was sure I saw him on tv once.)

[snwbrdr642]

Are you sure you are not thinking of Vulcan? The third Summers kid...

no. cyclops was oldest, havoc is middle and vulcan is youngest.

duhhhh.

EDIT: my biggest gripe is that mystique comes up with magneto's name in the movie. that is just not his character at all to take anything from anyone else, he is way to elitist.

[vinx]

are you all talking about cartoons? you need comic book infos! which predated cartoons lol
that being said, i never got into the x-men, avengers and the like..
i didnt like the team books much, mostly soloer's like spidey / DD / capt america etc.

one thing i could tell from memory, and which prolly wasnt made clear in the movie was..
who the hell are some of these people? hahah
i had to google em to see why i couldnt recall that being the original team :P
i rated it 4/10 for being good fodder

[Prince]

you people are pretty much the biggest nerds on the nerd-strewn internet

[JayDee]

Everyone watched X-men in my generation unless you were a punk bitch

[Lazortag]

My opinion of how X-men should be is almost entirely based on the old cartoon ("X-men the animated series") which I really enjoyed, so for me this movie was absolute garbage. Even if I was open to new interpretations of how the characters should be, the movie had horrible dialogue, cheesy acting, and a generally mediocre story.

I feel that the writers didn't stay true to the personalities of many of the popular characters, and they even had trouble staying continuous with the recent X-men movies (for example: the Professor's relationship with Mystique, nearly all of the characters' personalities, and various other things were changed from the movies). The biggest problem I had by far was their treatment of Professor X. In the cartoon the professor was a complex and tragic character who had a miserable childhood in addition to having the worst luck with love; there wasn't any indication that this was true in the movie. For example, the character I was familiar with from the cartoons would get extremely awkward if a woman showed affection towards him; the character in the movie however was charismatic and constantly shown hitting on women. This might seem minor, but all sorts of little personality traits like that and facts about the character were changed in the movie. It always made sense to me that the professor had a hard life and created the X-men (and devoted himself to non-violence/reconciliation with humans/etc.) partly because of that, so the whole movie just kind of got ruined for me when they took out all of the complex motivations he had for creating them. The writers also did a terrible job exploring his struggle with Magneto who didn't believe in coexistence with humans. Considering that this is almost entirely what the X-men movies as well as the cartoon were about, this is obviously a big problem with the movie.

Lots of other characters were ruined too, like Mystique obviously, but I won't get into that because this post is already too long.

TLDR: the movie sucks.

[Kuriin]

"The black dude" was Darwin. Basically his skin and flesh adapted to the environment. Hence why they clearly show im growing gills in water and scales to block blunt force attacks. He died because he was blown up from the inside.



Actually, this occurs in the comic books in which Darwin becomes energy itself. Yes, he adapted to the energy that killed him and became the energy. He later creates a physical body.

Did he die in the movie? Perhaps. In the comic book, no.

[M.Bison]

Have none of you heard of the Marvel Multiverse? Marvel has done this several times, characters associations and origins and even timelines are completely up to whoever is writing it. The characters in the movie exist in an alternate continuity then the characters you are all mentioning from the animated series. Although i dont know exactly which continuity, or "universe" this movie takes place in, the fact that it lacks continuity with other films/comics means little really. I mean, look at the Noir alternate continuity, the xmen are a bunch of juvenile delinquents using their mutant powers for evil, and the head detective tracking them down is magneto...Does that follow any movie or cartoon you've ever seen? If you try and compare and criticize this movie based on the other movies/comics/cartoons you've seen, it's never going to be as good as them, because it is different. Just take it for face value. If you didn't like it that's fine, but not liking it because it "didn't stay true to the personalities of many of the popular characters, and they even had trouble staying continuous with the recent X-men movies" is dumb imo.

[odizzido]

The previous x-men was a giant turd and only 0.5% of hollywood sequels don't get worse. I can't even imagine how bad the new one must be.

[Constellations]

Have none of you heard of the Marvel Multiverse? Marvel has done this several times, characters associations and origins and even timelines are completely up to whoever is writing it. The characters in the movie exist in an alternate continuity then the characters you are all mentioning from the animated series. Although i dont know exactly which continuity, or "universe" this movie takes place in, the fact that it lacks continuity with other films/comics means little really. I mean, look at the Noir alternate continuity, the xmen are a bunch of juvenile delinquents using their mutant powers for evil, and the head detective tracking them down is magneto...Does that follow any movie or cartoon you've ever seen? If you try and compare and criticize this movie based on the other movies/comics/cartoons you've seen, it's never going to be as good as them, because it is different. Just take it for face value. If you didn't like it that's fine, but not liking it because it "didn't stay true to the personalities of many of the popular characters, and they even had trouble staying continuous with the recent X-men movies" is dumb imo.

Well played; touche good sir.

[JayDee]

Atleast the original movies had their moments. Like the twist where Jean/Phoenix destroys Professor X.

[snwbrdr642]

Have none of you heard of the Marvel Multiverse? Marvel has done this several times, characters associations and origins and even timelines are completely up to whoever is writing it. The characters in the movie exist in an alternate continuity then the characters you are all mentioning from the animated series. Although i dont know exactly which continuity, or "universe" this movie takes place in, the fact that it lacks continuity with other films/comics means little really. I mean, look at the Noir alternate continuity, the xmen are a bunch of juvenile delinquents using their mutant powers for evil, and the head detective tracking them down is magneto...Does that follow any movie or cartoon you've ever seen? If you try and compare and criticize this movie based on the other movies/comics/cartoons you've seen, it's never going to be as good as them, because it is different. Just take it for face value. If you didn't like it that's fine, but not liking it because it "didn't stay true to the personalities of many of the popular characters, and they even had trouble staying continuous with the recent X-men movies" is dumb imo.

yeah but they're not coming up with a new story line or new continuity. they are taking the "x-men first class" comic book series story and making it fit into a movie forum. if they were being inventive i could cut them some slack but they're butchering a story with blockbuster hopes.

also, i for one am not complaining that they adapted the comic, i'm complaing about how they adaptad the comic. and i think that critiquing an adaptation (in particular how that adaptation compares to the original) is a valid critique. especially when the subject is a comic book where cannon and continuity are of utmost importance even within the multiverse. for yes there are multiple story arcs, but you dont see 1 series drawing from others, in other words they don't mix and match.

EDIT: and believe it or not i know next to nothing about comics, i just lived with a die hard comic nerd for a few years. everything i know is just from talking to him.

[Nocte]

also, i for one am not complaining that they adapted the comic, i'm complaing about how they adaptad the comic.

They didn't really adapt the comic so much as reuse the name of a series in publication. The original First Class consisted of the original 5 X-Men from 1963 (Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Angel, Iceman). The series currently in publication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men:_First_Class_%28comic_series%29) is considered canon and follows the original characters as they were imagined in 1963, with better art and writing because the comic book industry has grown into a medium that is taken seriously (or more than it was 50 years ago, anyway).

Your example of X-Men Noir is a strong point, but consider that the police were corrupt (and run by Magneto) in that series, and the X-Men just wanted to be left alone with their own kind. They are still battling a world that hates them, and Magneto is the main antagonist, who runs the area of interest under martial law (well, in the comics he's trying to achieve this, but close enough). Even with the other Marvel Noir series, they tend to leave the characters' personalities in line with their "real" counterpart and change some other facet of the environment that isn't so wholly connected to the reader's understanding of the character. Wolverine, in any universe, isn't going to be a happy-go-lucky guy with no problems. He's a grumpy asshole in every iteration. He's going to call someone "Bub," or make a comment that reminds the reader of his catchphrase(s).

Back on topic, though, I don't understand why, after almost 50 years of storytelling Marvel has had with these characters, that a single screenwriter hasn't taken something canon and made a decent X-Men movie out of it. (No, fuck you; none of them were good, some just sucked less than the others). I refuse to believe that in five decades of writing there isn't material that could be made into a fuck ton of acceptable films based on the franchise.

[Goofier]

Back on topic, though, I don't understand why, after almost 50 years of storytelling Marvel has had with these characters, that a single screenwriter hasn't taken something canon and made a decent X-Men movie out of it. (No, fuck you; none of them were good, some just sucked less than the others). I refuse to believe that in five decades of writing there isn't material that could be made into a fuck ton of acceptable films based on the franchise.

Bravo. Why didn't they just make Days of Future Past?

[WizardEQ]

Saw it with my two young boys, and they said it was the "best one ever!"

As the "fifth" one in the series, it's hard to see this as the best. Overall it had its entertaining moments. It also had some dull, uninteresting ones, but the development of Magneto was pretty well done I guess.

There had to be other X-men obviously, and they seemed like peripheral characters. Mystic was pretty central (as she should be) and her wavering alliance was important to reveal.

5/10

[Messianic]

I haven't gone to see it because I know it's going to suck. I read what they tried to do and it's not worth the $$ to go see if they managed to pull it off.

They don't even have any really good actors who could salvage this.

[Kassel]

Did not like, Earth 616 (the main universe we often read about) this is not.

The way they crippled the prof was just horrible, the event, the acting, the idea, the aftermath was done in such a piss poor way it really hurt the movie for me. I did not care about any Xmen, hoped more would die but knew they would not.

Emma Frost (bazInga! ) was my fav char however the Hellfire club could have been "cooler".

[Constellations]

Did not like, Earth 616 (the main universe we often read about) this is not.

The way they crippled the prof was just horrible, the event, the acting, the idea, the aftermath was done in such a piss poor way it really hurt the movie for me. I did not care about any Xmen, hoped more would die but knew they would not.

Emma Frost (bazInga! ) was my fav char however the Hellfire club could have been "cooler".

I was actually upset and burst out saying "THATS NOT HOW THAT HAPPENS" in the theatre when Xavier got shot.

[vinx]

^^

Everyone watched X-men in my generation unless you were a punk bitch

and, LOL
by the time the toons rolled out i thought the same thing about those that watched different versions/stories then what was happening in the comics

i didnt watch or read much of x-men, but if it was anything like the spidey/cpt america toons then the story was basically there but the series was laughable

[Tillan]

6/10

[Lazortag]

Have none of you heard of the Marvel Multiverse? Marvel has done this several times, characters associations and origins and even timelines are completely up to whoever is writing it. The characters in the movie exist in an alternate continuity then the characters you are all mentioning from the animated series. Although i dont know exactly which continuity, or "universe" this movie takes place in, the fact that it lacks continuity with other films/comics means little really. I mean, look at the Noir alternate continuity, the xmen are a bunch of juvenile delinquents using their mutant powers for evil, and the head detective tracking them down is magneto...Does that follow any movie or cartoon you've ever seen? If you try and compare and criticize this movie based on the other movies/comics/cartoons you've seen, it's never going to be as good as them, because it is different. Just take it for face value. If you didn't like it that's fine, but not liking it because it "didn't stay true to the personalities of many of the popular characters, and they even had trouble staying continuous with the recent X-men movies" is dumb imo.

I mentioned that they had trouble following the continuity of the recent X-men movies because I'm pretty sure it was their intention to be continuous with those movies. If it wasn't, I stand corrected.

The rest of what I said was an explanation of why I liked the interpretation I was familiar with. Obviously I'm aware that coming up with new interpretations of comic book characters is the norm. But some interpretations deviate so much from previous ones that I can't help but find them silly. I can't think of any continuity in which the professor or mystique were butchered as much as they were in this movie.

[guineapig]

Have none of you heard of the Marvel Multiverse? Marvel has done this several times, characters associations and origins and even timelines are completely up to whoever is writing it. The characters in the movie exist in an alternate continuity then the characters you are all mentioning from the animated series. Although i dont know exactly which continuity, or "universe" this movie takes place in, the fact that it lacks continuity with other films/comics means little really. I mean, look at the Noir alternate continuity, the xmen are a bunch of juvenile delinquents using their mutant powers for evil, and the head detective tracking them down is magneto...Does that follow any movie or cartoon you've ever seen? If you try and compare and criticize this movie based on the other movies/comics/cartoons you've seen, it's never going to be as good as them, because it is different. Just take it for face value. If you didn't like it that's fine, but not liking it because it "didn't stay true to the personalities of many of the popular characters, and they even had trouble staying continuous with the recent X-men movies" is dumb imo.

Well said.


Basically, you just have to see it for yourself and judge it for what it is instead of trusting someone's opinion on a forum. I enjoyed it as a fun comic book movie. I appreciated the 60's spy movie style that they stuck with throughout the movie. The end credits design was a nice touch too. Yes, the continuity issues are obvious. The writers and directors knew this when they made it and didn't care. It wasn't perfect but it was much better that X-Men origins Wolverine (in my opinion). Anyway, I'm just holding out hope for an awesome Deadpool movie in 2014. As long as they get that one right this new x-men trilogy doesn't matter too much to me.

[falkun]

Wolverine's movie was absolutely horrible. Didn't they even give Sabertooth the claws like Wolverine's (albiet out of bone instead of the metal)?

As for the First Class, I feel they didn't develop the relationship between Magneto and Xavier as well as they should have. I also wish that the first class had been composed of more traditional members of the XMEN. I was let down to not see Cyclops or Jean Grey, etc.

[Nocte]

Wolverine's movie was absolutely horrible.

Yes, but aside from the end, it was tolerable.

Didn't they even give Sabertooth the claws like Wolverine's (albiet out of bone instead of the metal)?

No, they were extended fingernails like they should have been. That doesn't mean they got everything right (i.e. Deadpool was completely jacked up).

As for the First Class, I feel they didn't develop the relationship between Magneto and Xavier as well as they should have. I also wish that the first class had been composed of more traditional members of the XMEN. I was let down to not see Cyclops or Jean Grey, etc.

I completely agree.

[fullylaced]

i liked the movie personally. originally i didn't care much for some of the mutants but they kept emphasizing the evolution of humans into mutants but it also deals with the evolution of mutants into better mutants.

if you take that into consideration you might think its better than most people are saying it is.

personally i thought it was a good popcorn movie. not every super hero movie will be on par with the dark night but that doesn't mean they aren't worth watching.