Messaging between the Houses

[Botten]

So yeah.

This is crazy their getting around the filibuster.

Schumer believes he’s found a loophole in the Congressional Budget Act of 1974, which would open the door to a third reconciliation bill to the Infrastructure bill (if not more).

Basically when the house and the senate pass different versions of the same bill the bill must go through a reconciliation process in order for the chambers to approve the exact same text of that bill.

So, when the chambers disagree on the exact same text of a bill they can send it back to each other until a final text is agreed upon. Once this passing back and forth happens THREE times; that's it, that's the final bill and it can not be filibustered in the senate.

So the plan is to have democrats in the house take a bill that has already under taken this messaging process 3 times; change the bill, twist the wording of it.

With the republicans in the senate not able to filibuster the bill will go to the floor for debate and for amendments to be added.

Since democrats signaled early in the year they were interested in again allowing earmarks in the bills to tempt republicans (previous in 2006 there was an agreement to curb such earmarks because it was getting out of hand) will this open the door to combat the two republicans in the senate in sheep's clothing. Can two other republicans be tempted to go along with perhaps allowing pieces or more of The Freedom to Vote: John R. Lewis Act to pass. (Note I know Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., is one of the bill’s co-sponsor but I think it is just a front; he is on the pays slip of the republican supporting groups)

But... This could be huge. I am interested to see how far this can go. But I also understand the democrats are poised to lose the house. Pretty much no matter how open they make voting. Effectively ending this process.

[wuanahto]

if we had sex robots and stuff life would be much simpler

[Knowledge]

Whats in the bill free healthcare and paid college for illegal immigrants that vote Democrat and fuck you Americans?

[hobart]

Voting Rights bill is good, mostly.

Second infrastructure bill is bad even though it contains a couple of things we really need to do something about -- daycare subsidies for one thing.

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/ENVpIgr.png

Try chasing this lady into a bathroom to get your way.

[Ooloo]

Filibuster is good. It means your bill has to not suck to pass. It's a fundamental part of checks and balances.

[robayon]

Whats in the bill free healthcare and paid college for illegal immigrants that vote Democrat and fuck you Americans?I certainly hope so, I'm pretty tired of driving the buses around every election season

[Homesteaded]

Voting rights is mostly good? Fuck off with this bullshit.

Show an ID to vote, so simple but you demons have such a whacked grip on reality you think it's good to allow an open voting system. Shouldn't be surprised that the party that is pro baby killing is waving this flag. Complete demons.

[wuanahto]

oh people are taking the thread seriously
do you not know how the electoral collage works? the popular vote (you) does not mean shit

[Ooloo]

The electoral college is an evil racist colonialist relic when dems lose elections and a sacred american tradition that secures our democracy or some shit when they win elections

[robayon]

the party that is pro baby killing is waving this flagYou'll have to be more specific, can you include any other examples? There's kind of a pile of dead babies at the feet of both of them

[F0rmsh1fter]

Stopped reading after Schumer was mentioned terrible thread

[Nocht]

Imagine simping for Chuck Schumer.

[F0rmsh1fter]

Imagine simping for Chuck Schumer.

I honestly can’t think of anything more cringe

[Elizondo]

"Showing an ID to vote is racist! jim Crow 2.0! You're Bull Connor if you disagree!"

*tries to buy a coffee in NYC*

"Papers Please! No Vax ID No Service!"

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[robayon]

my life is very hard, i can't buy coffee in new york city without a paper or something, this is the same thing as the holocaust

[Homesteaded]

You'll have to be more specific, can you include any other examples? There's kind of a pile of dead babies at the feet of both of them

You’re a scumbag and you’re wrong. You are not a persona to take seriously, you aren’t a serious thinker.

[loramin]

You’re a scumbag and you’re wrong. You are not a persona to take seriously, you aren’t a serious thinker.

Translation: I have nothing intelligent/meaningful to offer in response, so I'll shoot the messenger instead.

[Jibartik]

idk what OP is talking about but if he could make it so trump could build a wall if he wanted to in 2025 then I'm all for it!

[robayon]

You’re a scumbag and you’re wrong. You are not a persona to take seriously, you aren’t a serious thinker.This is like being told by a child that you aren't mature enough lmao

[Homesteaded]

This is like being told by a child that you aren't mature enough lmao

You need me to spell out what dead babies I'm referring to? You call me a child? Children need things defined when adults should be able to imply. You sir are a child.

What bodies of babies are at the feet of conservatives? Please shine the light on that.

[robayon]

Homesteaded, this is just pathetic and you should exhibit more self-respect

I thought I wasn't a "serious thinker" lol

If you really believed that, you wouldn't give a shit what I think about the ever-growing pile of dead children at the feet of all Americans

[Elizondo]

Homesteaded, this is just pathetic and you should exhibit more self-respect

I thought I wasn't a "serious thinker" lol

If you really believed that, you wouldn't give a shit what I think about the ever-growing pile of dead children at the feet of all Americans

hey bro you totally dodged his question

just sayin

[F0rmsh1fter]

I think he’s referring to all the Obama drone strike dead kids

[Ooloo]

Homesteaded, this is just pathetic and you should exhibit more self-respect

I thought I wasn't a "serious thinker" lol

If you really believed that, you wouldn't give a shit what I think about the ever-growing pile of dead children at the feet of all Americans

Well biden sure is great at it I'll grant you that. Not only did he totally botch the withdrawal from afghanistan, he had to explode at least a few kids on his way out.

Also though you have to remember context sometimes. If a drone strike kills a child, but also kills the intended terrorist, who if not killed would have gone on to perform a suicide bombing that kills ten kids, have you done a good thing? It's so easy to monday morning quarter back these things as people who never have to deal with making these decisions ourselves.

[loramin]

What bodies of babies are at the feet of conservatives? Please shine the light on that.

https://i.imgur.com/f5W9SdT.jpeg

Just in one week (this month) 292 0-4 year olds died, and 582 5-18 year olds died from Covid-related conditions (https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3/data).

Now, that is a very small percentage of the children who catch Covid (it does have a relatively low mortality for them) ... but there's still a lot of dead kids on the GOP's conscience. A huge percentage of those kids would still be alive if not for the GOP's anti-science propaganda.

[Jibartik]

could you clarify how the anti science people specifically are to blame for 0-4 year old deaths? I cant really make the connection because there is no vaccine for 0-4 yaer olds and sending kids to in school learning was a biden administration call.

[Ooloo]

Oh jesus christ that's such a retarded emotional manipulation. No party is to blame for this, unless dems are willing to take their share of blame for not mandating masks and flu shots for all the vulnerable and immunocompromised kids and elderly both with comordibidies who die from the flu every year.

Nobody gave a flying shit about most transmissible respiratory illnesses before this, even ones like the flu which are MORE dangerous to kids. If somebody is immunocompromised, it is THEIR responsibility, or their parents' if they're a child, to protect themselves. Society and everyone else does not ordinarily completely re-orient our lives and sacrifice nearly anything economically or socially in response to some god damn stupid cold. This is so transparently political and cynical and the fake concern for kids is disgusting.

The vast, vast majority of people who die, of any age group, have at least 4 co-morbidities. The cdc director herself said this. That means kids too. So yes, if a kid with pediatric leukemia dies of covid, that's counted as a "child dying from covid", as if healthy little timmy is getting it and dying. That's not happening.

Move on with life, this disease is not that dangerous for the vast vast vast majority of people, and it's also not ever going away, and it's not evil republican's fault.

[robayon]

hey bro you totally dodged his question

just sayinJust as I intended, I have no respect whatsoever for anyone who espouses conservative values so I do not feel the need to explain myself to them either

This is a schoolyard, we mostly sling shit here, I thought you, of all people, would understand

[Ooloo]

Why don't you just humor him and explain yourself anyway? Just to show you can?

[robayon]

I think he’s referring to all the Obama drone strike dead kidsYes, those and so many more

I'm still planning a party when Kissinger dies but that ghoul is apparently immortal

[Reiwa]

Not only did he totally botch the withdrawal from afghanistan

How many Americans died in the withdrawal? Foreign policy disagreements aside you're acting like it was Roland at Roncevaux, which it ain't.


Also though you have to remember context sometimes. If a drone strike kills a child, but also kills the intended terrorist, who if not killed would have gone on to perform a suicide bombing that kills ten kids, have you done a good thing? It's so easy to monday morning quarter back these things as people who never have to deal with making these decisions ourselves.

Utilitarianism go brrr.

[Homesteaded]

The GOP is responsible for kids COVID’s deaths. Holy Christ you’re a sick person.

More of the same from the libs here, zero accountability.

I explained my thoughts and beliefs here but these bozos can’t. My guess is because they haven’t put much thought into them, if they did that they would surely see how flawed their ways are.

[Jibartik]

kids catch covid at schools that are not getting funding from the democrat gov to efficiently teach kids from home while teachers beg for support

meanwhile GOP has spent the last 30 years trying to straight up get rid of school so I dont see how it could be their fault.

[Ooloo]

How many Americans died in the withdrawal? Foreign policy disagreements aside you're acting like it was Roland at Roncevaux, which it ain't.

Utilitarianism go brrr.

Yeah that's a cool short answer and stuff, but, what do you actually think? Use upward of four or more sentences.

[Reiwa]

Yeah that's a cool short answer and stuff, but, what do you actually think? Use upward of four or more sentences.

That's not a number. How many?

[robayon]

Why don't you just humor him and explain yourself anyway? Just to show you can?Okay, since you asked, and you're not Homesteaded. If we stick to the subject of war deaths, capitalism has a far larger bodycount than any form of so-called communism. If we do not stick to war, it gets even worse and so-called communism doesn't hold a candle

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10455752.2021.1875603

[Ooloo]

Okay, since you asked, and you're not Homesteaded. If we stick to the subject of war deaths, capitalism has a far larger bodycount than any form of so-called communism. If we do not stick to war, it gets even worse and so-called communism doesn't hold a candle

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10455752.2021.1875603

Oh okay, gotcha. So you have a definition so elastic as to be almost useless.

Are the allied or axis deaths in WWII attributable to capitalism, and why? Are the deaths under stalin, mao, castro, chavez attributable to communism? And why?

[robayon]

Are the allied or axis deaths in WWII attributable to capitalism, and why? Are the deaths under stalin, mao, castro, chavez attributable to communism? And why?This is accounted for in that document, including why this is being applied so broadly

[F0rmsh1fter]

Yes, those and so many more

I'm still planning a party when Kissinger dies but that ghoul is apparently immortal

Prolly cos he keeps getting blood transfusions from the children your democrat heroes are trafficking 🙃

[robayon]

Prolly cos he keeps getting blood transfusions from the children your democrat heroes are trafficking 🙃brb need to go check the epstein flight logs

[Trexller]

brb need to go check the epstein flight logs

forgot how many trips you took?

[Patriam1066]

Voting rights is mostly good? Fuck off with this bullshit.

Show an ID to vote, so simple but you demons have such a whacked grip on reality you think it's good to allow an open voting system. Shouldn't be surprised that the party that is pro baby killing is waving this flag. Complete demons.

Yes, people should show ID to vote. No, people with whom you disagree are not demons

Get a grip

[F0rmsh1fter]

brb need to go check the epstein flight logs

Yeah they’re all on there

Let’s not forget about all the weird fbi confirmed pedo slang they found in those podesta/Hillary/Obama emails

[walfreyydo]

Its a hail mary

[Jibartik]

Yes, people should show ID to vote. No, people with whom you disagree are not demons

Get a grip

actually....

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[walfreyydo]

Yeah they’re all on there

Let’s not forget about all the weird fbi confirmed pedo slang they found in those podesta/Hillary/Obama emails

Oh yeah, whered you read that? Mind sharing?

[unsunghero]

Yes, people should show ID to vote. No, people with whom you disagree are not demons

Get a grip

No way man, getting an ID is too difficult for poor people and therefore it can exclude some

Then again having to fill out a form is difficult and can exclude some people. Being literate enough to read the voting registry can exclude people

If security doesn’t matter, and all that matters is not excluding anyone, then we should change the voting process to where you just have to at some point before 2024 either say out loud or think the name of the person you’d vote for and that goes down as your vote

Anything more is racist

[Reiwa]

I like voting by mail and u can't stop me. 😛

Australian ballot be damned.

[Jibartik]

I like voting by mail too, it reminds me how archaic the bureaucratic system is that it took them well past the complete dissolution of mail, to start allowing mail in voting.

[robayon]

Yeah they’re all on there

Let’s not forget about all the weird fbi confirmed pedo slang they found in those podesta/Hillary/Obama emailsOkay next time you see me defending Democrats I'll be sure to bring them up

[Jibartik]

Okay next time you see me defending Democrats

☝ this reminds me that this party is on deaths row...

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[unsunghero]

I love it how it’s the one dude from Fox who ever asks the press sec hard questions and everyone else gives her kid glove questions

When during trump it was reverse and Kayleigh McEnany had an entire room of activist Dem reporters sometimes not even asking questions but just making orange man bad statements and the only person that wasn’t was the fox reporter

Such a different atmosphere. I remember trump walking out of the room Dem reporters yelling shit like “Is It TrUe YoU’rE a MoNsTeR Mr PrEsIdEnT?!!”

To control most of the media is such power. Well done, Dems

[Jibartik]

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years.

It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.

But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government.

The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” David Rockefeller – 1991 Baden Baden, Germany

[Gravydoo II]

Now the democrats are keeping the vaccines from white people! They are prioritizing black and brown people OVER the whites! Can you believe it!

Rape daddy said it, so it must be true. They are STEALING from the majority white population by daring to give the vaccine to the work force over the people sitting on their asses in retirement communities!

They really are racist demons! White baby killers! lol

I thought it wasnt even a pandemic.. now like 9% of the country is stealing from the 75%!! They are hoarding it all in their arms! lololol

[Nocht]

I'm pretty up to date on current events but I can never understand wtf Gravydoo is crying about every time he posts another Trump rant lol.

[robayon]

☝ this reminds me that this party is on deaths row..And this reminds me of the many times I saw some clueless liberal with no idea how power works say "Surely this will be the thing that brings down Trump and the entire Republican party" and then absolutely nothing happens

[Jibartik]

I was sure the GOP were done for good back in 2014 It's almost like they're working together...

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[Homesteaded]

Now the democrats are keeping the vaccines from white people! They are prioritizing black and brown people OVER the whites! Can you believe it!

Rape daddy said it, so it must be true. They are STEALING from the majority white population by daring to give the vaccine to the work force over the people sitting on their asses in retirement communities!

They really are racist demons! White baby killers! lol

I thought it wasnt even a pandemic.. now like 9% of the country is stealing from the 75%!! They are hoarding it all in their arms! lololol

My state retracted it's prioritization of people of color on the antibody treatment. To pretend it wasn't a thing and isn't a thing, is ignorant of the facts. Par for the course for Gravyboy.

[robayon]

I have not seen that movie I will have to check it out

[Gravydoo II]

My state retracted it's prioritization of people of color on the antibody treatment. To pretend it wasn't a thing and isn't a thing, is ignorant of the facts. Par for the course for Gravyboy.

You gonna cry about it?? Awwwhhhhhh dont cry!! I'm sure they waited til you got in line then sent you to the back as soon as another black person got in line, huh??

Oh wait.. I thought the vaccine wasnt real and its not an epidemic.. So they are keeping an imaginary thing rape daddy made himself in a lab from the whites?! OOOHHH NOOO!!!

[Gravydoo II]

Whos "they" exactly..?? "They" seem to do a lot of things. "They" stole the election, too. So whos they? The CDC? The guy at the counter? LOL

I know tucker said it was happening all over the usa.. must be happening.

[unsunghero]

Black people are more likely to die from covid because they have the highest rates of something called sickle cell anemia which puts their body at a disadvantage in fighting off covid. So in a way that makes them more vulnerable than any other race. So prioritizing for blacks makes sense from a medical standpoint

That isn’t the Dems logic here though, because Hispanics are also included. One could argue that their statistically higher death rates could be due to higher rates of poverty. But then why not just say we are prioritizing the treatment for the poor (sorta classist but w/e)

The logic escapes me, but it’s not being done like this everywhere to my knowledge

[robayon]

Who are you talking to

[Botten]

Voting rights is mostly good? Fuck off with this bullshit.

Show an ID to vote, so simple but you demons have such a whacked grip on reality you think it's good to allow an open voting system. Shouldn't be surprised that the party that is pro baby killing is waving this flag. Complete demons.

Imagine being part of a religion against abortion when their own God let their kid die. What? Too Woke for you?

And like Baler not understanding that the filibuster is stripping away the will of the majority of the people.

With the way we have our system setup right now 41 senators are representing less than 11% of the US population and can block legislation that is supported by the other 59 senators and 89% of the population.

But all you can do is rave about the younger generation being woke to the GOP's corruption. Why is that?

[Reiwa]

the filibuster is stripping away the will of the majority of the people.


It's supposed to do that! Tyranny of the majority and all that jazz.

[Ooloo]

The filibuster is preventing the tyranny of a majority of politicians in congress, who by no means represent the "will of the people". Many of the things the dems are trying to pass are actually very unpopular with most americans. The filibuster prevents them from passing bad policy with 51% of the vote, for things that less than 50% of the actual american population wants. You *want* gridlock in congress, otherwise the country can fundamentally change overnight based on the whims of politicians.

But as usual the younger generation of dems are trying to govern like it's highschool debate club, and they should be able to pass whatever they want.

[Jibartik]

But all you can do is rave about the younger generation being woke to the GOP's corruption. Why is that?

Kids these days are the worst.

People are so on edge these days they just treat each other like shit.

I watched like 500 freak out videos at grocery stores and airports and all the places I’ve never seen a fight before or ever heard of there being a fight there before.

And it’s always like some milquetoast person who’s had all they can stand anymore against some lazy upset loser.

If you’ve ever watched that scene in handmaid‘s tale where the two girls go to the coffee shop and the guy behind the counter is like just get the fuck out of here fuck you too I fucking hate you both.

That’s basically now… but not quite yet… but you can expect that to keep happening and happening until we all kill each other.

[hobart]

The filibuster is preventing the tyranny of a majority of politicians in congress, who by no means represent the "will of the people".

I like the filibuster, but you're wrong.

The people express their "will" solely by their vote in a representative democracy. How issues poll has nothing to do with it other than, hopefully, the people holding their elected officials accountable the next time around.

There's also plenty of examples where Republicans ignore the polling on issues and vote their conscious (or lack there of) such as gun issues and environmental issues.

Republicans have been scorched earth in terms procedure for a long time. I support Dems in playing the same games, but I also support the people holding them accountable for it come election time and I support Republicans making them pay for it in the next Congress when they'll be in the majority.

[hobart]

You *want* gridlock in congress, otherwise the country can fundamentally change overnight based on the whims of politicians.

100% agree. Especially because those whims are too often for sale even in the context of perfectly legal campaign funding.

[unsunghero]

Checks and balances are also supposed to be the Supreme Court, but all that matters there is what political party the judges belong to

Checks and balances seems very easy to manipulate or overcome

[Gravydoo II]

Black people are more likely to die from covid because they have the highest rates of something called sickle cell anemia which puts their body at a disadvantage in fighting off covid. So in a way that makes them more vulnerable than any other race. So prioritizing for blacks makes sense from a medical standpoint

That isn’t the Dems logic here though, because Hispanics are also included. One could argue that their statistically higher death rates could be due to higher rates of poverty. But then why not just say we are prioritizing the treatment for the poor (sorta classist but w/e)

The logic escapes me, but it’s not being done like this everywhere to my knowledge

Its really easy. Who is more likely to spread it? The people who are retired, stay at home all day, dont have to go to work every day, etc.
Or
The work force made up of everyone else. The people who travel the world professionally and personally all the time, work a nine to five around other people, go home to your family, interact with customers/clients etc. Then their customers go home to their families and their families then go to school to interact with more kids who go home to interact with their parents who interact with their co-workers/clients who go home to their families and on and on and on and on

Makes a lot of sense when you look at it like that. The people who are most vulnerable are the ones actually out in the world and in the work force interacting with people one after another.

Then, if the work force is vaccinated, the old people that interact with them on their shopping trips are less likely to get covid. Unless you declined the vaccine.

[Ooloo]

Blanket prioritizing based on race still doesn't make sense though, because there's no reason to prioritize a black person who is perfectly healthy and *doesn't* have sickle cell over a fat white dude with diabetes, which is ostensibly what is happening in places that are doing this.

So much leftist logic works this way; "big broad pattern here, therefor lets do big broad sweeping thing over here" as if you're moving weights around on a balance. Meanwhile tons of innocent people don't get covid therapies who need them because of racial identity politics.

[robayon]

Can you name any other examples of that logic being applied that way, Ooloo? Or an example of what you are referring to, specifically?

I would like to know more

[Gravydoo II]

Its not based on race... The only people saying its based on race are the people saying "I declined the vaccine for a long time and now I cant get one!"

The CDC policy says:
CDC Is Committed to Vaccine Equity for Racial and Ethnic Minority Groups
CDC is paving the way in vaccine equity efforts with national, state, tribal, territorial, local, and community partners to ensure that Black or African American people and Hispanic or Latino people have fair and just access to COVID-19 vaccination. To support vaccine equity, CDC continues to communicate with and listen to all communities affected by COVID-19. CDC is working to build trust, increase collaboration, and create tools and resources to respond to the concerns and feedback from all communities affected by COVID-19, especially those disproportionately impacted. These activities, along with messages supported by science, can help to increase COVID-19 vaccine acceptance and make it easier to get vaccinated.

Meaning that the previous distribution was not fair. It has not been distributed evenly. Now, they are saying they are committed to making sure that poor POC get it, thats STEALING from white people. Look how fucking entitled you are.. Its disgusting.

You guys didnt want the vaccine and now you're crying because the CDC wants to be sure everyone can get it. Oh my god that means they are stealing from whites!!

You're always the victims. We get it. I guess this is one way to trick you idiots into getting vaccinated. "If you dont take it the black and brown people will get it!" LOLOL

[Gravydoo II]

Yeah please name all the people you know who havent been able to get the vaccine because they were "too white". Just like tucker said.. hilarious.

[Reiwa]

Yeah please name all the people you know who havent been able to get the vaccine because they were "too white". Just like tucker said.. hilarious.

The equity meme shows them getting an extra box. I want more box too. :(

[unsunghero]

Prioritizing treatments is just effed up in general, because in a sense when dealing with people’s lives you are saying this life has more value than the other. But with limited treatment quantities it has to be done I guess

It’s also a thing for the “death councils” insurances/hospitals have to decide who gets transplants I believe

[Homesteaded]

Its not based on race... The only people saying its based on race are the people saying "I declined the vaccine for a long time and now I cant get one!"

The CDC policy says:
CDC Is Committed to Vaccine Equity for Racial and Ethnic Minority Groups
CDC is paving the way in vaccine equity efforts with national, state, tribal, territorial, local, and community partners to ensure that Black or African American people and Hispanic or Latino people have fair and just access to COVID-19 vaccination. To support vaccine equity, CDC continues to communicate with and listen to all communities affected by COVID-19. CDC is working to build trust, increase collaboration, and create tools and resources to respond to the concerns and feedback from all communities affected by COVID-19, especially those disproportionately impacted. These activities, along with messages supported by science, can help to increase COVID-19 vaccine acceptance and make it easier to get vaccinated.

Meaning that the previous distribution was not fair. It has not been distributed evenly. Now, they are saying they are committed to making sure that poor POC get it, thats STEALING from white people. Look how fucking entitled you are.. Its disgusting.

You guys didnt want the vaccine and now you're crying because the CDC wants to be sure everyone can get it. Oh my god that means they are stealing from whites!!

You're always the victims. We get it. I guess this is one way to trick you idiots into getting vaccinated. "If you dont take it the black and brown people will get it!" LOLOL

It's the monoclonal antibodies that are being prioritized by race. Spin again you wigger.

[Jibartik]

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[Ooloo]

It's not being dispensed based on race! Except where it is.

Hint: I'm talking about the places it is. Like in NYC, for example. And the biden admin openly stating that it intended to ration monoclonal antibodies based on "equity", which is code for "white people last". Which is retarded, racist, ideological policy. Not sensible policy.

[Ooloo]

Here I'll make my point extremely easy to understand:

Distributing medical treatment based on anything other than the specific person in question and their specific medical needs is bound to be terrible policy.

[Reiwa]

Here I'll make my point extremely easy to understand:

Distributing medical treatment based on anything other than the specific person in question and their specific medical needs is bound to be terrible policy.

That's why I don't like ivermectin. It's an anti-parasite not an anti-viral.

Poorer countries are 'seeming' to have success with it because they can't even afford to test and don't have have mortality boards, so their numbers are lower.

It's like that British helmet thing wot Lune talked about a bit ago.

[Ooloo]

That's why I don't like ivermectin. It's an anti-parasite not an anti-viral.

Poorer countries are 'seeming' to have success with it because they can't even afford to test and don't have have mortality boards, so their numbers are lower.

It's like that British helmet thing wot Lune talked about a bit ago.

Ivermectin's efficacy is really kind of irrelevant, because for one thing it's really extremely safe for humans, at normal human doses. Yes it's primary effect is anti-parasitic, but it has also shown antiviral properties under certain conditions for certain people. So why oppose it? Why ridicule and chastise people who want to explore it's possible applications? And when people say "horse paste" they're just talking about a formulation for horses that is way higher than a human dose, because horses weigh more than humans. We already give tons and tons of different drugs to both humans and animals. I'm sure there's something on the market called like "Equiprin" or something which is just a huge dose of aspirin for horses. And yet when people take aspirin for a headache we don't say they're taking "horse medicine".

So if there's any evidence at all that it's effective as a theraputic, and essentially zero evidence that it's dangerous at theraputic levels, why oppose it at all?

[robayon]

Because then the precious horsies don't get their meds

[Reiwa]

Ivermectin's efficacy is really kind of irrelevant, because for one thing it's really extremely safe for humans, at normal human doses. Yes it's primary effect is anti-parasitic, but it has also shown antiviral properties under certain conditions for certain people. So why oppose it? Why ridicule and chastise people who want to explore it's possible applications? And when people say "horse paste" they're just talking about a formulation for horses that is way higher than a human dose, because horses weigh more than humans. We already give tons and tons of different drugs to both humans and animals.

So if there's any evidence at all that it's effective as a theraputic, and essentially zero evidence that it's dangerous at theraputic levels, why oppose it at all?

Why aren't you demanding years of peer-reviewed study for it for covid like you are the mRNA technology invented in 2003? :confused:

[Reiwa]

OK that was fun but he's done.

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[Homesteaded]

Why aren't you demanding years of peer-reviewed study for it for covid like you are the mRNA technology invented in 2003? :confused:

Because it's safety has nothing to do with covid. It is a drug that has been dosed in the billions of times to humans. It's one of the safest drugs out there. Ask yourself why you have an issue with people taking something that is incredibly safe.

[Ooloo]

Why aren't you demanding years of peer-reviewed study for it for covid like you are the mRNA technology invented in 2003? :confused:

Is this a serious question?

The unique thing about the covid vaccines is the fact that they are NEW, period. Not that they are only being *used* newly.

IE: Ivermectin has decades of clinical data with regard to safety in humans. Meaning, if you take it you don't die or suffer any long term side effects based on decades of monitoring and research. The covid vaccines have about... 1 year of monitoring and research? You don't see any difference between these two things?

So the question of safety, and the question of efficacy are separate questions. I have an issue with people who claim that ivermectin is somehow dangerous. You can claim it's ineffective for covid all you want (although there's evidence to the contrary), you just can't claim it's dangerous to humans because it's not.

[Reiwa]

Because it's safety has nothing to do with covid. It is a drug that has been dosed in the billions of times to humans. It's one of the safest drugs out there. Ask yourself why you have an issue with people taking something that is incredibly safe.

Can't take certain drugs when you have certain diseases. A novel disease requires pharmacological interactions to be studied for that disease.

[Reiwa]

The unique thing about the covid vaccines is the fact that they are NEW, period. Not that they are only being *used* newly.


Okay be wrong on the facts then, Trompy. They're not new tech, you just hadn't heard of them.

[Ooloo]

The fact that mRNA tech was developed in 2013 is totally irrelevant to the covid question. It would be like saying "Hey, this atomic energy technology was developed way back in the 1910s and 1920s, what's all this fuss about radioactive fallout??".

The *ONLY* relevant question is: "Are mandatory covid vaccines sensible given the risk of the disease itself and the potential risks of the vaccine for it?".

[Ooloo]

Okay be wrong on the facts then, Trompy. They're not new tech, you just hadn't heard of them.

Yes I understand that other vaccines, for other diseases, were developed using mRNA. However, covid is different than other diseases, and the particular intersection of covid and this technology could potentially be risky in and of itself, according to people who actually developed it. If you could be bothered to actually read anything I post and not just skim for gotchas at every opportunity.

[Reiwa]

The *ONLY* relevant question is: "Does OSHA have the legal authority to make workplace vaccinations mandatory under its health and safety powers?"

ftfy

[Ooloo]

ftfy

No, it doesn't. It's completely unconstitutional to grant that much life-altering power to a single body. OSHA could only regulate conditions within a workplace, it can't dictate life for workers outside of that workplace, and these vaccines which already have many well documented side effects could continue to effect worker's lives after they are off the clock.

[Jibartik]

Finally we can wall the workers back up in the coke ovens again.

[Homesteaded]

mRNA is fine, but ivermectin is untested so let's not use it. The logic flows and it glows with these demons.

[robayon]

If you could be bothered to actually read anything I post and not just skim for gotchas at every opportunity.This, from the "it's too broad" fella when I linked a detailed and thoroughly sourced explanation as to why "capitalism" has a larger bodycount than "communism"

Nah I am sure you read that whole article and the sources

[robayon]

mRNA is fine, but ivermectin is untested so let's not use it. The logic flows and it glows with these demons.If we are demons why are you expecting our logic to match your perfect reasoning, gramps

[Ooloo]

This, from the "it's too broad" fella when I linked a detailed and thoroughly sourced explanation as to why "capitalism" has a larger bodycount than "communism"

Nah I am sure you read that whole article and the sources

Yes I know, you think bigger number = worse. Here's a hint for you:

Capitalism has a "higher body count" because it is a vastly more successful system of organizing civil society, and is thus implemented much more often, over much larger swaths of people. We also tend to have much more accurate records of things like body count in capitalist, western nations. Communist nations tend to burn any record that is unflattering to the state order, so ya know, that MIGHT skew the data.

[robayon]

Feel free to attempt to prove either of those theories, if you're just gonna guess

Or just admit you're too lazy to read it

[Reiwa]

mRNA is fine, but ivermectin is untested so let's not use it. The logic flows and it glows with these demons.

I'm fibbin' a lil to point out the contradictions in your quackery, m'lord

Don't take your ball and go home; learn to play.

[Reiwa]

Yes I know, you think bigger number = worse. Here's a hint for you:

Capitalism has a "higher body count" because it is a vastly more successful system of organizing civil society, and is thus implemented much more often, over much larger swaths of people. We also tend to have much more accurate records of things like body count in capitalist, western nations. Communist nations tend to burn any record that is unflattering to the state order, so ya know, that MIGHT skew the data.

Just inaccurate. Marxism still rules the day in the global south, China, India, and Europe.

https://i.imgur.com/da0fvqF.gif

[Jibartik]

This, from the "it's too broad" fella when I linked a detailed and thoroughly sourced explanation as to why "capitalism" has a larger bodycount than "communism"

sorry there is no way the death toll of capitalism is greater than communism, unless you count teh communists capitalism killed because communists were trying to kill people.

Dont bother sending me a link, there is no way anyone who would look at data, and come to that conclusion enough to write an article about it has any brains or isnt some cucked out peon slave printing propaganda for some rich person.

[Jibartik]

Capitalism has a "higher body count" because

the ones keeping track of the numbers make it all up and omit the fact that the largest country in the world has a population of like 30 million instead of 400 million because comunsim killed every able bodied person in it 50 years ago.

population in the second largest country, with the largest population, down 22% since the commies took over.

you think some commie cuck is counting those figures with their data? fuck no.

[robayon]

sorry there is no way the death toll of capitalism is greater than communism, unless you count teh communists capitalism killed because communists were trying to kill people.

Dont bother sending me a link, there is no way anyone who would look at data, and come to that conclusion enough to write an articleHomesteaded, is this what a "serious thinker" is? Thanks in advance for clarifying

[Reiwa]

Homesteaded, is this what a "serious thinker" is? Thanks in advance for clarifying

Hey the first section in your article tries to rule out something called "state socialism" from counting in the Communist death toll. That is malarkey. I'm not reading more.

Commies, Fascists, and Turks - the Three Mouseketeers of genocide denial.

[robayon]

Hey the first section in your article tries to rule out something called "state socialism" from counting in the Communist death toll. That is malarkey. I'm not reading more.

Commies, Fascists, and Turks - the Three Mouseketeers of genocide denial.Please cite the sentence that states that and possibly consider reading past things you find a bit questionable, because that's also addressed rather explicitly

I had to do it every time I recited the pledge of allegiance, you can do it for this single document

[Jibartik]

in the same amount of time that americas population, as a capitalist country, went from 30 million to 300, the population of russia went from 300 to 30 under communist rule.

I bet your article doesn't say that!

[Reiwa]

Please cite the sentence that states that and possibly consider reading past things you find a bit questionable, because that's also addressed rather explicitly

I had to do it every time I recited the pledge of allegiance, you can do it for this single document

You're a huge nerd that needs several swirlies but we're online so I did it anyway.

It suits a more recent China-bashing campaign, where the Communist Party of China is purposefully conflated with communism.

It is beyond the scope of an editorial to appraise state socialism, but the least that can be said is that there have been multiple state-socialist forms, some repugnant and some inspiring. Among the former are examples like the USSR under the Stalin faction of the Bolsheviks, North Korea under the Kim dynasty, and Albania under Hoxha. Among the inspiring examples are Cuba, Vietnam, and Yugoslavia,

[robayon]

You're a huge nerd that needs several swirlies but we're online so I did it anyway.You realize you just called someone a nerd on an Everquest forum?

Anyways, you really ought to keep reading, or chicken out like Jibartik and Ooloo did, suit yourself.

"All the wars that can be even remotely attributed to nominally socialist states (“communism”) or communist insurgents (Table 3) amount to about six million deaths (or 7.4 million, if one prefers looser estimates). This includes the estimated three million victims of the US- and PRC-supported Khmer Rouge carnage of 1975–1979, which was ended by the intervention of a most inconveniently Communist Party-led Vietnamese government. In other words, using conservative estimates, from 1945 until the “demise of communism” capitalist warfare, mostly in its liberal democratic garb (if one includes proxy warfare, as one must), killed at least three times as much as warfare from “totalitarian communism.” Moreover, liberal democratic governments alone murdered at least twice as much as “communist” governments during this same period."

"As stated above, there are many ways to undermine anti-communism. For one, attributing mass death to a set of principles or ideas (communism) is a form of fetishism that would exonerate those who perpetrated the horrors. After all, people from NATO countries have bombed others to death in the name of human rights not very long ago, as in Iraq and Yugoslavia. Calling the ideology of human rights responsible for those acts of mass murder seems rather inappropriate if one is interested in bringing murderers to account for the harm they have done."

[Jibartik]

Ill have you guys know robayon is ceaser the ape i believe in him

[Reiwa]

You realize you just called someone a nerd on an Everquest forum?

Anyways, you really ought to keep reading, or chicken out like Jibartik and Ooloo did, suit yourself.

"All the wars that can be even remotely attributed to nominally socialist states (“communism”) or communist insurgents (Table 3) amount to about six million deaths (or 7.4 million, if one prefers looser estimates). This includes the estimated three million victims of the US- and PRC-supported Khmer Rouge carnage of 1975–1979, which was ended by the intervention of a most inconveniently Communist Party-led Vietnamese government. In other words, using conservative estimates, from 1945 until the “demise of communism” capitalist warfare, mostly in its liberal democratic garb (if one includes proxy warfare, as one must), killed at least three times as much as warfare from “totalitarian communism.” Moreover, liberal democratic governments alone murdered at least twice as much as “communist” governments during this same period."

"As stated above, there are many ways to undermine anti-communism. For one, attributing mass death to a set of principles or ideas (communism) is a form of fetishism that would exonerate those who perpetrated the horrors. After all, people from NATO countries have bombed others to death in the name of human rights not very long ago, as in Iraq and Yugoslavia. Calling the ideology of human rights responsible for those acts of mass murder seems rather inappropriate if one is interested in bringing murderers to account for the harm they have done."

I've humored you enough already. You oughtn't be so impressed by dictionary words when they're used to make a vile death-excusing argument.

[Jibartik]

yea communism is bad thats for sure tho

[robayon]

I've humored you enough already. You oughtn't be so impressed by dictionary words when they're used to make a vile death-excusing argument.Figures you won't engage on the substance, I'll save you the posting in the future: www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal

Ill have you guys know robayon is ceaser the ape i believe in himThat was from this classic film: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11465692/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

[Ooloo]

Capitalists grant you the dignity of dying due to factors that you could have controlled and had at least some say over.

Communists consider you a number, whose value is a net gain or loss to the greater good, and obviously they want to eliminate losses.

[Jibartik]

Figures you won't engage on the substance, I'll save you the posting in the future: www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal

That was from this classic film: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11465692/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

lol no way I as like man ceaser looks lit in that pic i cant believe it's from a kids show I was like this poster is ready to take down society

[Reiwa]

Figures you won't engage on the substance, I'll save you the posting in the future: www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal

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[Botten]

Imagine being a rural American that thinks a vaccine by more than one major pharmaceutical company worked on by 10s of 1000s of scientists is equivalent to a parasite medicine like ivermectin. : Homestead

Also remember these alt right idiots raved about hydroxychloroquine which a government study found it did absolutely nothing to help with getting rid of covid. (https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19)

Or the fact that Ivermectin was thought to help with covid so it was prescribed my many doctors in India until the Indian Council of Medical Research said stop prescribing because it was doing nothing. (https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/tn-drops-ivermectin-as-covid-19-drug/article34561235.ece)

Or imagine another idiot who admitted he had a second account on these forums and his new name resembles a hand giving the middle finger. Who thinks that communism and socialism is taking over America because Fox told him it was.

But lets just talk about the right for now...

* Who actively thinks that a far left idea is making enough money for food and a roof over your head.

* That a constitution written by ZERO women and black men doesn't need a few small updates

* That credit scores were established in the US in 1989 and we are making millennials and Gen Z the guinea pigs of bad boomer ideas.

And finally, LETS MAKE IT THAT You're not a failure in life if you work for starvation wages with no benefits. You're a failure life if you're a business owner who depends on the exploitation of a poverty-wage workforce, no matter how many yachts or mansions you own. It's time to redefine success in America because the GOP and Trumptards were never making it great; ever.

[Jibartik]

why do the people of the left try to pave over paxolvids existence with this horse paste news from 2020? Because biden cant get any for us?

[Trexller]

uh throughout the entirety of history, when populations get too numerous, they march the men off to wars.

Its that simple, theres nothing more to it.

In any zoological habitat run by humans, when they want to control the populations, they add or remove males.

like 99% of animals in zoos are female.

[Kich867]

mRNA is fine, but ivermectin is untested so let's not use it. The logic flows and it glows with these demons.

Vince McMahon beat God in the ring, your religion is basically pointless. Vince 1, God 0. How can you worship something that can't beat an old man? What would God even do in a cage match? What does your God have against a geriatric coming in from the top ropes with a steel chair?

[Botten]

why do the people of the left try to pave over paxolvids existence with this horse paste news from 2020? Because biden cant get any for us?

I will be honest Jibartik, I often see your posts as random nonsense. Like your disconnected with the thread or even a conversation. You know the random things the poster Knowledge or F0rmsh1fter post that sounds like the ramblings of an elderly mad man. Or the middle child that no one listens to but always hears gasping for attention.

What happened to the guy who sought after so many rare spawns in EQ.
Off Topic made you bitter.

[Reiwa]

why do the people of the left try to pave over paxolvids existence with this horse paste news from 2020? Because biden cant get any for us?

I don't know what that is but from context it's implied to be a medicine, probably a pill?

Is it FDA approved? If not, that's why it's not available.

[Patriam1066]

You realize you just called someone a nerd on an Everquest forum?

Anyways, you really ought to keep reading, or chicken out like Jibartik and Ooloo did, suit yourself.

"All the wars that can be even remotely attributed to nominally socialist states (“communism”) or communist insurgents (Table 3) amount to about six million deaths (or 7.4 million, if one prefers looser estimates). This includes the estimated three million victims of the US- and PRC-supported Khmer Rouge carnage of 1975–1979, which was ended by the intervention of a most inconveniently Communist Party-led Vietnamese government. In other words, using conservative estimates, from 1945 until the “demise of communism” capitalist warfare, mostly in its liberal democratic garb (if one includes proxy warfare, as one must), killed at least three times as much as warfare from “totalitarian communism.” Moreover, liberal democratic governments alone murdered at least twice as much as “communist” governments during this same period."

"As stated above, there are many ways to undermine anti-communism. For one, attributing mass death to a set of principles or ideas (communism) is a form of fetishism that would exonerate those who perpetrated the horrors. After all, people from NATO countries have bombed others to death in the name of human rights not very long ago, as in Iraq and Yugoslavia. Calling the ideology of human rights responsible for those acts of mass murder seems rather inappropriate if one is interested in bringing murderers to account for the harm they have done."

Yes it was horrible of us to stop Milosevic; completely analogous to communist killings

Low grip strength post buddy, I’m over the hill and I could crush you and all your friends in hand to hand combat

[Jibartik]

I will be honest Jibartik, I often see your posts as random nonsense. Like your disconnected with the thread or even a conversation. You know the random things the poster Knowledge or F0rmsh1fter post that sounds like the ramblings of an elderly mad man. Or the middle child that no one listens to but always hears gasping for attention.

What happened to the guy who sought after so many rare spawns in EQ.
Off Topic made you bitter.

no I just make toppical jokes and some of offtopic is bitter and reacts this way. I wont point out that the political affiliation of the bitter folks seem to line up 1:1 but hey.

edit: oh yea Im also a profit of the apocalypse and those that walk with me will be sheltered from the tribulation

[Jibartik]

I don't know what that is but from context it's implied to be a medicine, probably a pill?

Is it FDA approved? If not, that's why it's not available.

https://www.prevention.com/health/health-conditions/a37500289/merck-pfizer-covid-pill/

nice try, mason:

https://i.imgur.com/xz8WFLt.png

[Jibartik]

Anyways, you really ought to keep reading, or chicken out like Jibartik

hol up, I feel that you are being really dumb for saying this.