Shamans are the best class in the game.

[long.liam]

Shamans are better at soloing than any other Class. Enchanters will be nerfed soon and will suck after that. Change My mind.

[MaCtastic]

http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?p=266999

[starkind]

Shamans should be restricted to a totally free range organic vegan diet. Except they're allowed to scavenge carrion. And if they don't they lose their ability to cast spells over lvl 14.

[long.liam]

http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/showthread.php?p=266999

Fake NEWS! Accept it your favorite Class is gonna be nerfed into oblivion soon. Get used to being a Haste buff bot. LOL.

[BlackBellamy]

Is this the six month old post from Torven that keeps getting reposted here every 3 weeks? Yes it is.

Glad there are updates and progress is being made!

[MaCtastic]

Fake NEWS! Accept it your favorite Class is gonna be nerfed into oblivion soon. Get used to being a Haste buff bot. LOL.

http://eq.castersrealm.com/playguides/VIEW.ASP?ID=2476

Charmed pets existed in 2000 - charming in classic checks out.

[Stroboo]

Shamans are better at soloing than any other Class. Enchanters will be nerfed soon and will suck after that. Change My mind.

so true, as long as you have lots and lots and sometimes lots more time...

[Bardp1999]

Hope this helps

https://i.imgur.com/ZdGNZql.png

[Bardp1999]

https://i.imgur.com/OM5BzHw.png

[Toxigen]

number go up

[Reiwa]

Enchanters were kinda bad in-era

[Tunabros]

shamans need like uber gear in order to actually solo

[Jibartik]

We need a p99 quality create your own class emu so bad

[cd288]

Shamans are better at soloing than any other Class. Enchanters will be nerfed soon and will suck after that. Change My mind.

Well any ench nerf you’re referring to is going to be changing channeling to be classic. Which means any class that relies on casting a spell will be in trouble if a mob is whacking on them.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeah I don't think OP fully understands the proposed changes.

If I understand it correctly, worst case will be spell interrupts happen more frequently, and CHA doesn't affect charm break chances. But I also heard they may add 4 levels when doing the level check for resists, so that is going to help balance it out anyway. But let us assume the level check change doesn't happen. Necromancers can charm just fine, and Necro charm doesn't use CHA checks at all. Yes, it will be a bit more risky, but I don't think it will prevent people from doing the same camps.

As for the channeling change hurting Shamans, it will not be too bad. Shamans are restricted to fighting mobs that are slowable, so the mob isn't hitting you very often. That means you will still get plenty of spells off just fine.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Let me clarify a bit. A Shaman generally face tanks mobs because of the summon mechanic. You can't root rot them, which is another common Shaman strategy. But there are not a lot of mobs in the game that summon AND are face tank-able without slow. This means in general you are face tanking slow-able mobs, and that means they are much less likely to interrupt you via melee anyway.

However, some mobs can be tanked by the Shaman pet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umuVBewCNgY This video shows me killing a Cliff Golem by having the doggo tank it instead. Doesn't work on WW dragons sadly, they hit too hard, but you can still do this with some summoning mobs.

[Chortles Snortles]

neat claSS imo

[Tunabros]

shamans are OP but like other classes like a monk, you need gear to be considered

"the best class". Some classes such as casters dont rely on anything to boost damage asides from leveling up to get better spells. while a melee character needs to level up

AND get better gear to increase their strength/haste for better dps.

Shamans are a good class but not really the best in utility.

I will have to say a necromancer is the best class in my opinion. Every new "spell" level is a power spike. They can level to 60 without any gear at all.

For shamans, 1-46 you are pretty much forced to group and soloing takes 80 years because of the downtime. You are pretty much forced to get a fungi item. The power spikes for shamans are canni, jbb, epic, 60 spells. Most of these are somewhat challenging to get such as the 60 spells and a fungi item.

Necro is great because
-Easy for anyone to pick up
-no gear really needed
-every "spell level" is a huge powerspike
-feign death
-can heal others
-can rez people
-can fear

Is this thread a troll or something? It's so obvious that necromancer is literally the master class. I'm not saying that shamans are a bad class. They are just not the BEST class overall. I currently have a shaman on blue that I love playing but I needed to save up a lot of plat just for the gear and spells just to be OP.

[Tewaz]

Leveling a Necro to 60 with zero gear sounds pretty fun.

[Smoofers]

shamans need like uber gear in order to actually solo

Huh? fungi + torpor = GG

[DeathsSilkyMist]

shamans are OP but like other classes like a monk, you need gear to be considered

"the best class". Some classes such as casters dont rely on anything to boost damage asides from leveling up to get better spells. while a melee character needs to level up

AND get better gear to increase their strength/haste for better dps.

Shamans are a good class but not really the best in utility.

I will have to say a necromancer is the best class in my opinion. Every new "spell" level is a power spike. They can level to 60 without any gear at all.

For shamans, 1-46 you are pretty much forced to group and soloing takes 80 years because of the downtime. You are pretty much forced to get a fungi item. The power spikes for shamans are canni, jbb, epic, 60 spells. Most of these are somewhat challenging to get such as the 60 spells and a fungi item.

Necro is great because
-Easy for anyone to pick up
-no gear really needed
-every "spell level" is a huge powerspike
-feign death
-can heal others
-can rez people
-can fear

Is this thread a troll or something? It's so obvious that necromancer is literally the master class. I'm not saying that shamans are a bad class. They are just not the BEST class overall. I currently have a shaman on blue that I love playing but I needed to save up a lot of plat just for the gear and spells just to be OP.

Each class has strengths and weaknesses. People generally consider Shamans/Enchanters to be the best overall classes because not only are they great additions to group/raid content, but they are also able to solo difficult mobs no other class can.

Shamans are better than Enchanters when fighting mobs in areas where you can slow, but you don't have a lot of good options for charmed pets. That is why West Waste Dragons are do-able by Shamans, and not Enchanters. Necromancers can do one or two of the Dragons that are fearable, but they are much more limited than Shamans, and I think those Dragons are on the lower end in terms of what loot they drop.

Enchanters are better than Shamans when fighting mobs that cannot be slowed, but there are great charm options to pit mob against mob. They are also superior when it comes to camps that require a lot of CC. While Necromancers do have good charm capabilities, they are extremely limited by the undead requirement.

Necromancers are a great all around class, I agree. But unfortunately most of the tougher solo challenge mobs that drop good items are not undead, so Necromancers in general can not kill solo challenge mobs that Shamans/Enchanters could.

I am not saying Necromancers are bad at all. They are certainly one of the more powerful classes in the game. But because they are so well rounded, they are not quite up to some of the challenges that Enchanters or Shamans are capable of doing. And yes I do agree that Necromancers have a much lower barrier to entry from a money perspective, but if you play long enough all classes can amass enough plat to pay for anything they need.

[Jibartik]

I haven't read whole thread but shamans are the best class in teh game unless you have more than 1 of them.

[unsunghero]

Necro master class

Iksar master race

Nerf enchanters because everyone’s jealous

[Tunabros]

Each class has strengths and weaknesses. People generally consider Shamans/Enchanters to be the best overall classes because not only are they great additions to group/raid content, but they are also able to solo difficult mobs no other class can.

Shamans are better than Enchanters when fighting mobs in areas where you can slow, but you don't have a lot of good options for charmed pets. That is why West Waste Dragons are do-able by Shamans, and not Enchanters. Necromancers can do one or two of the Dragons that are fearable, but they are much more limited than Shamans, and I think those Dragons are on the lower end in terms of what loot they drop.

Enchanters are better than Shamans when fighting mobs that cannot be slowed, but there are great charm options to pit mob against mob. They are also superior when it comes to camps that require a lot of CC. While Necromancers do have good charm capabilities, they are extremely limited by the undead requirement.

Necromancers are a great all around class, I agree. But unfortunately most of the tougher solo challenge mobs that drop good items are not undead, so Necromancers in general can not kill solo challenge mobs that Shamans/Enchanters could.

I am not saying Necromancers are bad at all. They are certainly one of the more powerful classes in the game. But because they are so well rounded, they are not quite up to some of the challenges that Enchanters or Shamans are capable of doing. And yes I do agree that Necromancers have a much lower barrier to entry from a money perspective, but if you play long enough all classes can amass enough plat to pay for anything they need.

true but as a shaman you will need specific items in order to pull off some crazy shit

they are somewhat the most gear dependent caster-type class in the game

[NickSaggy]

But it is so cool, intriguing and very easy to get hooked up into.

[MaCtastic]

Nerf enchanters because everyone’s jealous
Accurate TLDR. Also, inb4 goalpost gets moved to next target.

[Mblake1981]

All this love for necros and here I sit remembering how they were ostracized in era for being a solo class in a multiplayer group game.

nobody got time for EQ

Jokes aside, the best memory of playing a class pre-Kunark was Necromancer. There was a guide online, maybe on necrotalk (https://www.necrotalk.com/) forums, that would take a necro from 1-50. It was filled with obscure camps each lasting about a level or two. I seen much of the old world following it as it took you to each continent.

You were the outcast of Norrath, couldn't shop at most places and every good place hated you. But with FD that lessened the strain on a player when there were no Dial-A-Ports or rezzing like P99. Never knew when you were going to be dropped over the phone lines.

EQ was peak design, has remained peak design. The industry tells me its not but their taste sucks anyway.

[Wrei]

The average casual sees a post about Shamans being able to solo/facetank a +6neck dragon and suddenly feel it's the master class. When in reality, they are one of the most ridiculously gear dependent class in the game in order to do so. The real farce comes in the fact, no matter how strong of a solo class they become, they are grossly inefficient at it. Namely the dumb pacify spell line.

Every bread and butter money camp can be soloed by an Enchanter with ease with incredible efficiency (take Chardok for example where they don't even need to take a faction hit by dictating the ph to suicide). Or just killing the bare minimum by pacifying the camps. Shamans just got to plow through everything via brute force.

Yet despite all that all of the Shaman stuff is grossly overpriced. Torpor? 85K! JBB? 25K! High level dots? 16K+ No other class gets fisted on a daily basis by these inflated prices on anything that has "shaman" on it. While Enchanters laugh to the bank with spells/gear that's nowhere near the same price range.

[starkind]

Necromancer.. levels faster than any class with the versatility to go anywhere pretty much without gear.

Shaman... finally bears fruit after 20 years of grinding. Just used as a box to buff alts or groups and farm fungi tuni.

Necromancers are quite fun if you enjoy undead motif at all times.

Wizard. Can solo lvl just about as fast as shaman just can't sit directly under firegiants for extended periods without support. Also funnest class to play outside of a cleric. And always a force multiplier. The more the better.

[Mblake1981]

Necromancer.. levels faster than any class with the versatility to go anywhere pretty much without gear.

Shaman... finally bears fruit after 20 years of grinding. Just used as a box to buff alts or groups and farm fungi tuni.

Necromancers are quite fun if you enjoy undead motif at all times.

Wizard. Can solo lvl just about as fast as shaman just can't sit directly under firegiants for extended periods without support. Also funnest class to play outside of a cleric. And always a force multiplier. The more the better.

The EQ skeleton cackle is still tops. Dark Elf necro was my first foray into undead motifs, so it was exotic at the time. I still have the image burned into memory of loading into Neriak the first time, by the waterfall with the large evil eye, the cavernous noise pushed through a Sound Blaster Live! EAX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Audio_Extensions) and Boston Acoustic 2.1 sound system.

The Environmental Audio Extensions (or EAX) are a number of digital signal processing presets for audio, present in Creative Technology Sound Blaster sound cards starting with the Sound Blaster Live. Due to the release of Windows Vista in 2007 which deprecated the DirectSound3D API that EAX was based on, Creative discouraged EAX implementation in favour of its OpenAL-based EFX equivalent.

pChk-HC-xCU

[starkind]

The EQ skeleton cackle is still tops. Dark Elf necro was my first foray into undead motifs, so it was exotic at the time. I still have the image burned into memory of loading into Neriak the first time, by the waterfall with the large evil eye, the cavernous noise pushed through a Sound Blaster Live! EAX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Audio_Extensions) and Boston Acoustic 2.1 sound system.



pChk-HC-xCU

even on my crappy headphones the acoustics come thru, can't be beat lol ya I remember ty.

[SantagarBrax]

Necromancers can do one or two of the Dragons that are fearable, but they are much more limited than Shamans, and I think those Dragons are on the lower end in terms of what loot they drop.

Necromancers are a great all around class, I agree. But unfortunately most of the tougher solo challenge mobs that drop good items are not undead, so Necromancers in general can not kill solo challenge mobs that Shamans/Enchanters could.

Challenge.....accepted.

[Jibartik]

imagine a raid of shamans

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Challenge.....accepted.

Please! I would love to see videos of some awesome Necromancer solo challenges.

[Bardp1999]

Everquest isn't a solo game, who gives a fuck what you can do solo. There are an infinite amount of better solo games to play other than P99

[mycoolrausch]

Velious shamans are like a class designed by an 8 year old. My character's power is that he has all the power! It makes no logical sense why shamans have torpor and druid's have nature's touch, and not vice versa, but it gives the game more character. For boring balance there's vanilla WoW.

[Jibartik]

Everquest isn't a solo game, who gives a fuck what you can do solo. There are an infinite amount of better solo games to play other than P99

thats like irl but it's pretty bad ass none the less to build a cabin by yourself we all admit we watch those channels.

[SantagarBrax]

Everquest isn't a solo game, who gives a fuck what you can do solo. There are an infinite amount of better solo games to play other than P99

Classic EQ was always a solo game for Necromancers. They had to nerf the solo exp and give an additional bonus to full groups because necros never grouped. I went from 0-63 solo and didn't group until PoP.

Everquest is dynamic and it is a solo game if you wish, especially in a time locked era and there is so much content there is not one single player out there anywhere in comparison.

Why so salty? You should get laid or take a break.

[SantagarBrax]

Please! I would love to see videos of some awesome Necromancer solo challenges.

https://youtu.be/1mzqZTHbkRg

There's one and you can check out the other two I have so far on YT.

[mattydef]

Don’t forget, most importantly, shaman are also one of the strongest pvp classes.

[Worry]

Shamans are more powerful than Necros for sure (at 60 with all spells and good gear) but Necro's are a lot more fun imo.

I like both better than Enchanters

[DeathsSilkyMist]

https://youtu.be/1mzqZTHbkRg

There's one and you can check out the other two I have so far on YT.

Thanks for sharing!

[oldschoolguy]

What I learned from these forums is that Shaman is the god class because they can solo dragons, Necro is another godly class because they can do that and they can Feign Death, and Enchanters are cash camp cows.

Can't you guys just play the game for fun and not for being best whatever? We can't all play shamans.

[MaCtastic]

Can't you guys just play the game for fun and not for being best whatever? We can't all play shamans.

We haven’t tried yet, how do you know?

[Ooloo]

Do you want a warrior to mt? I mean ideally yes but if you throw enough shamans at it, it's gonna die.