In case you had any doubt about the Democrat agenda

[Trexller]

Black Lives Matter (BLM) moved millions of dollars to a charity in Canada run by the wife of co-founder Patrisse Khan-Cullors to purchase a mansion that used to be the headquarters of the Communist Party of Canada

Khan is the wife of Khan-Cullors, a self-professed Marxist who helped found Black Lives Matter Global Foundation Network.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/blm-transferred-millions-canadian-charity-buy-mansion-formerly-owned-communist-party

[Topgunben]

They’re not even trying to hide this stuff anymore.

[robayon]

No, standard issue liberals hijacking and discrediting leftist movements for their own personal profit isn't new

I expect the same treatment of, say, Joel Osteen types when they capitalize on conservative values from the right, but they just keep overlooking that kind of stuff

Elliot Abrams worked for the United States government, and wielded far more power, as recently as January 2021 and this is the shit Fox News wants to get you worked up over lol

[Elizondo]

First lib response tries to derail topic

same clownshow every thread

[robayon]

First lib response tries to derail topic

same clownshow every threadThey really can't stand a dose of their own medicine lol

[Elizondo]

They really can't stand a dose of their own medicine lol

nah man

you're just a clown tryin to derail the thread with nonsense

[robayon]

You bet I am, fellow clown, game recognize game, conservative "outrage" deserves nothing but complete nonsense for the nonsense it is

Let me know when you've learned to stomach getting beaten at your own game

[Trexller]

No, standard issue liberals hijacking and discrediting leftist movements for their own personal profit isn't new

I expect the same treatment of, say, Joel Osteen types when they capitalize on conservative values from the right, but they just keep overlooking that kind of stuff

Elliot Abrams worked for the United States government, and wielded far more power, as recently as January 2021 and this is the shit Fox News wants to get you worked up over lol

what does that have to do with self-professed public communists in the democrat party?

[robayon]

what does that have to do with self-professed public communists in the democrat party?Well, for one, it would make the Democrat party a lot cooler if it wasn't so blatantly hypocritical

That is, assuming I accept the Fox News narrative laid out here, which I do not

I'm not a self-professed Marxist but I do respect Marxists far more than any Democrat or Republican

[Trexller]

Well, for one, it would make the Democrat party a lot cooler if it wasn't so blatantly hypocritical

That is, assuming I accept the Fox News narrative laid out here, which I do not

I'm not a self-professed Marxist but I do respect Marxists far more than any Democrat or Republican

yeah you answered absolutely nothing. Why can't liberals ever give a straight answer?

I honestly have a hard time believing that they are all just wackos who aren't even sure what bathroom to use, that would be a vast underestimation. The biggest mistake you can make in politics is to assume your opposition is stupid.

I'm not a self-professed Marxist but I do respect Marxists far more than any Democrat or Republican

yeah that definitely makes you a marxist, or in the same vein, marxist sympathizer.

[Jibartik]

There is no such thing as a good cause because all of them are made of people hope this helps.

Stop trying to change the world. Change yo self.

[Trexller]

There is no such thing as a good cause because all of them are made of people hope this helps.

Stop trying to change the world. Change yo self.

I don't need to change, I'm perfect, and my way of life is the only way that anyone should live. The rest of the world is evil because it doesn't go along with my ideas about what humans should be. If you disagree with me, there can be no other reason than you are racist, sexist and bigoted in every way.

-any leftist

[Homesteaded]

There is no such thing as a good cause because all of them are made of people hope this helps.

Stop trying to change the world. Change yo self.

Would you say, we should all clean our own rooms?

[Jibartik]

After making the bed at 7AM

[starkind]

just made my bed

KgzLzbd-zT4

[Ooloo]

BLM was a total sham movement from the get-go because it was based on supposed incidents of unjustified police shootings that womp womp, turned out to be totally justified. Then they go "Yeah well, maybe that one was justified, but it represents a BROADER truth that happens every day!". Like okay, show me some actual videos of *ACTUAL* unjustified police shootings then? Like that cop who shot a dude in the back who was clearly running away in broad daylight? Hmm well that cop was convicted for murder.

BLM was fundamentally built on a lie, cops simply do not have a broad vendetta against young black men. So there's nothing to "hijack" really, other than their millions and millions of dollars of course. What have they ever done with those millions to make lives better for black americans in chicago or baltimore? Oh, right, jack shit.

[Reiwa]

You bet I am, fellow clown, game recognize game, conservative "outrage" deserves nothing but complete nonsense for the nonsense it is


The purchase of the Toronto mansion, which is also called Wildseed Centre for Art and Activism, drew criticism from within the organization.

:confused:

[robayon]

yeah you answered absolutely nothing. Why can't liberals ever give a straight answer?Well, I'm not a liberal. And I am not sure what your question was. How about this: I don't like the Democrats generally because they're capitalists first and supposedly believe in social justice causes second - I can agree with them on the social justice stuff largely speaking, but because of the first part it's obvious they don't really want the social justice and they're just using it as leverage to try to win votes

If they openly embraced Marxism of any form rather than strangling it out like they always have, I'd consider 'voting' for them I guess. But they don't, they can't even handle a little light training wheels socialism like, say, Bernie Sanders' form - they ratfucked him twice.

So, communists in the Democrat party? I don't buy it at all. I do not think any communists wield any political power in the United States whatsoever, at least not at the federal level I guess. Maybe at local levels like mayors, city councils, county boards, state houses and senates - but I doubt there's much

yeah that definitely makes you a marxist, or in the same vein, marxist sympathizer.Yes

[Gravydoo II]

You see how fear governs them?? lol

Hes trying to warn you because hes afraid of the communism.. LOL.

Living in fear is just how republicans are. You cant even help it. Your brain is less developed.

[Gravydoo II]

Theres plenty of communism in the USA. When rich people say i need a bail out, they take our money and just hand it to them. Oh bank needs help? Oh this airline needs help? Then all the ceo's buy new cars, houses, jets, etc.

They like when its THAT communism. They hate when its poor people in soup lines. Makes em angry they have to look at poor people waiting in line. Then they pass laws like "you cant give someone a bottle of water if they are in line to vote" lol. Just incase you convince someone to change parties. Fear based law.

All these new election laws, fear based, no fraud to be seen AT ALL save for a few rape daddy voters. They are AFRAID that people will START to commit voter fraud. Better make a new fear based law(s) just incase people do it next time.

They are afraid that lebron will go trans and women will never win another basketball game, better ban it. Fear based.

They are afraid that kids might read a book written by a black or gay person, better ban it. Fear based.

You're all just pussies at heart.

[robayon]

I do not see rich people doing favors for one another as communism, that sorta thing predates both communism and capitalism and does nothing to change who controls the means of production. I just see it as corruption

I live in Georgia, it's quite something to see Raffensperger and Kemp scramble to try to win Trump's favor back now that we're a primary battlefield in the class war here. The water bottle thing is kind of a red herring for the real shit they're up to

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/01/gop-voting-law-disenfranshised-georgia-voters/

[Topgunben]

Theres plenty of communism in the USA. When rich people say i need a bail out, they take our money and just hand it to them. Oh bank needs help? Oh this airline needs help? Then all the ceo's buy new cars, houses, jets, etc.

They like when its THAT communism. They hate when its poor people in soup lines. Makes em angry they have to look at poor people waiting in line. Then they pass laws like "you cant give someone a bottle of water if they are in line to vote" lol. Just incase you convince someone to change parties. Fear based law.

All these new election laws, fear based, no fraud to be seen AT ALL save for a few rape daddy voters. They are AFRAID that people will START to commit voter fraud. Better make a new fear based law(s) just incase people do it next time.

They are afraid that lebron will go trans and women will never win another basketball game, better ban it. Fear based.

They are afraid that kids might read a book written by a black or gay person, better ban it. Fear based.

You're all just pussies at heart.

Your perception of those who think differently than you is way off.

You see I don’t like when corporations get special handouts like during this fake pandemic. But you’ll notice that our government was the one handing out our money, not the people. For some reason leftists, and some on the right think giving government more money and power will make things better. You couldn’t be more wrong.

Poor people standing in soup lines is no problem. If they need help, they need help and there is no shame on that. The shame comes when you have spent a lifetime on the needle or the bottle and then are too lazy or too far gone to make your life better. I left the Portland area almost a year ago to the day partially because the local mindset is all about enabling these tweakers rather than holding them accountable. I don’t like community activities that are advertised as “pick up needles in the park”. These fucking tweakers don’t care about anybody but themselves, but for some reason, the locals want to call them disadvantaged and homeless. What I realized in the last 10 years in Portland was that there were very few legitimate homeless people.

Lastly, someone’s sexual orientation or race doesn’t keep me from listening to them or reading their works. Likewise, there are plenty of people out there that are white and straight that I think are bat shit crazy. I judge those types of people on what they write about, not based on what they look like.

[Gravydoo II]

You're banning something that is only taught to ADULTS, for children. You're making teaching a subject illegal. It doesnt matter what your motivations are. You're the party of fear, hate, and banning everything you dont like.

You're banning teaching of a subject that is not being taught in public schools, at all. You have to be in graduate school, you have to pay money to be in these schools and elect for these classes. So, lets ban is from classes that its not being taught in.

Does that make ANY sense? They have to keep the fear going because "someone could tell a 4 year old girl shes oppressing black people" was literally one of the reasons. Again, fear based law making. Fear based messaging. Fear based everything.

The communists are coming for your kids! They are indoctrinating's your kids in colleges! Teachers are lying to your kids! All this bullshit.. All fear based. You guys are saying "dont get an education because liberals work there" What?!

Tell me the republican base is not controlled, swayed one way or another, by fear of stuff that has not happened. Nobody ever turned gay from reading a book. Nobody ever turned trans from reading a book, yet they ban them. They are banning books about american racism because 'it could make people uncomfortable" LOL. A law about feelings.

[Gravydoo II]

Remember the caravans?? LOL omg the immigrants! They are going to INVADE the country! Ten thousand at a time are going to rush the border!

Lets send down the army.. Remember that?? Tell me that wasnt fear based bullshit. Then you did it like 4x over.

[Ooloo]

:confused:

So? The fact that it drew criticism from some unspecified people within the organization is like the lowest possible bar they had to pass in response to it, it would just be even more galling if they all approved or something.

[Gravydoo II]

Oh look.. fear based bullshit. I dont even have to read it. I already know hes either splitting a hair about the definition of the word "the" or saying that if i cant disprove something is not happening, its happening.

[Reiwa]

So? The fact that it drew criticism from some unspecified people within the organization is like the lowest possible bar they had to pass in response to it, it would just be even more galling if they all approved or something.

You're aware it's the lady's wife and the lady herself isn't even associated with the organization anymore?

:confused:

[Topgunben]

You're banning something that is only taught to ADULTS, for children. You're making teaching a subject illegal. It doesnt matter what your motivations are. You're the party of fear, hate, and banning everything you dont like.

You're banning teaching of a subject that is not being taught in public schools, at all. You have to be in graduate school, you have to pay money to be in these schools and elect for these classes. So, lets ban is from classes that its not being taught in.

Does that make ANY sense? They have to keep the fear going because "someone could tell a 4 year old girl shes oppressing black people" was literally one of the reasons. Again, fear based law making. Fear based messaging. Fear based everything.

The communists are coming for your kids! They are indoctrinating's your kids in colleges! Teachers are lying to your kids! All this bullshit.. All fear based. You guys are saying "dont get an education because liberals work there" What?!

Tell me the republican base is not controlled, swayed one way or another, by fear of stuff that has not happened. Nobody ever turned gay from reading a book. Nobody ever turned trans from reading a book, yet they ban them. They are banning books about american racism because 'it could make people uncomfortable" LOL. A law about feelings.

For the time in the forums I have spent reading your posts, I find that you never are really open for discussion. All you do is make up fake caricatures of your opponents positions. I believe this is called a straw man. You feel it’s easier to attack a distorted rendition of your opponents position, rather than just being honest and objective. This is why no one really engages with you - you don’t offer the people you disagree with the same honesty and respect they offer you.

Some people would call you a troll, I don’t think this is the case though. The scary part is, I think you truly believe you are at the forefront of reason and rational arguments. It’s like the saying goes “ Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

[hobart]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/blm-transferred-millions-canadian-charity-buy-mansion-formerly-owned-communist-party

How is the fact that the property was formerly owned by the communist party relevant? You bolded it, so you seem to think that it is...

My home was previously owned by Mormons who were soulless gingers. What does that have to do with me?

Also, what does this have to do with Democrats?

[Jibartik]

https://whyy.org/articles/pa-fuel-tax-meant-for-bridge-repair-went-to-state-police-instead/

Democrat politicians in Pennsylvania diverted $4.2 billion from the gasoline tax that was supposed to go directly to the bridge that fell down and spent that on police instead.

Seriously Democrats are evil.

[Ooloo]

You're aware it's the lady's wife and the lady herself isn't even associated with the organization anymore?

:confused:

Haha so what?? The woman is really kind of irrelevant anyway. Is BLM giving any of it's millions back to donors? Like what the hell even is it? What do they do? Are they putting their money toward anything that actually helps black people at all, other than buying some of them giant mansions? No? They are a crock of shit organization and even many black people think so. The fact there might be individual local chapters doing good things is great, they should change their names though because I don't associate that type of work with BLM, the brand, at all.

[Reiwa]

Haha so what?? The woman is really kind of irrelevant anyway. Is BLM giving any of it's millions back to donors? Like what the hell even is it? What do they do? Are they putting their money toward anything that actually helps black people at all, other than buying some of them giant mansions? No? They are a crock of shit organization and even many black people think so. The fact there might be individual local chapters doing good things is great, they should change their names though because I don't associate that type of work with BLM, the brand, at all.

Yeah I suppose fairness wouldn't matter to you given your level of bias and animus against the movement. :eek:

[Jibartik]

https://whyy.org/articles/pa-fuel-tax-meant-for-bridge-repair-went-to-state-police-instead/

Democrat politicians in Pennsylvania diverted $4.2 billion from the gasoline tax that was supposed to go directly to the bridge that fell down and spent that on police instead.

reposting this because you couldnt possibly have a better example as to why we should not be spending 22 trillion on a democrat infrastructure bill THAN THIS

for gods sake people.

[Jibartik]

Yeah I suppose fairness wouldn't matter to you given your level of bias and animus against the movement. :eek:

I have no bias against the movement, was a supporter of it becaus the phrase obviously didnt mean all lives didnt matter and black lives DO matter.

The problem is that the dipshits I was standing next to would try to say "its not a big deal" when I was like, this is communist bullshit this isnt about black people.

[Elizondo]

You see how fear governs them?? lol

Living in fear is just how republicans are. You cant even help it. Your brain is less developed.

lol dude

given how you lefties have embraced covid mass hysteria and commie style mandates across the board, your post is one of the most hilarious self owns I've ever seen on elf forums

[Reiwa]

https://whyy.org/articles/pa-fuel-tax-meant-for-bridge-repair-went-to-state-police-instead/

Democrat politicians in Pennsylvania diverted $4.2 billion from the gasoline tax that was supposed to go directly to the bridge that fell down and spent that on police instead.

reposting this because you couldnt possibly have a better example as to why we should not be spending 22 trillion on a democrat infrastructure bill THAN THIS

for gods sake people.

States reappropriate federal funding all the time. See Texas et al and the Medicaid expansion.

[Jibartik]

That is a bad strawman.

Democrats DID reappropriate infrastructure and a bridge collapsed and now they want more for infrastructure.

[Reiwa]

That is a bad strawman.

Democrats DID reappropriate infrastructure and a bridge collapsed and now they want more for infrastructure.

It's just separation of powers and unjusticiable supremacy. Different agendas sure, but same legal mechanisms.

[Jibartik]

Ok now I am becoming a market guy thanks to reiwa.

The market runs a better world is because if the share holders said the CEO was making stupid choices he gets ousted.

But with politics running everything, people will just blindly still support their CEO making bad decisions because it's a team sport, and they'll just let the politicians do whatever because if they were to get upset or call them out about what a bad job theyre doing you think that will elect a guy with leathery wings and fangs and shoots fire from his eyes.

[Reiwa]

Ok now I am becoming a market guy thanks to reiwa.

The market runs a better world is because if the share holders said the CEO was making stupid choices he gets ousted.

But with politics running everything, people will just blindly still support their CEO making bad decisions because it's a team sport, and they'll just let the politicians do whatever because if they were to get upset or call them out about what a bad job theyre doing you think that will elect a guy with leathery wings and fangs and shoots fire from his eyes.

never trust a man in a bow tie

:)

[Jibartik]

Its a stupid country that the same politicans that let bridges collapse by diverting the money to authoritarian racist police, are the ones that went down to support 100 days of riots across the entire nation, and now want us to give them 22 trillion more for bridge fixes.

[Elizondo]

Its a stupid country that the same politicans that let bridges collapse by diverting the money to authoritarian racist police, are the ones that went down to support 100 days of riots across the entire nation, and now want us to give them 22 trillion more for bridge fixes.

lP54hURopy4

[branamil]

Imagine what kind of person feels the need to politically vent on a goblin simulator message board with barely 100 users

[Topgunben]

Imagine what kind of person feels the need to politically vent on a goblin simulator message board with barely 100 users

And yet, here you are.

[Ooloo]

Imagine what kind of person feels the need to politically vent on a goblin simulator message board with barely 100 users

In the subforum called off topic? Who gives a shit dork.

Can you believe people sit around and discuss politics in their LIVINGROOMS with sometimes as few as 2 users?

[Gravydoo II]

For the time in the forums I have spent reading your posts, I find that you never are really open for discussion. All you do is make up fake caricatures of your opponents positions. I believe this is called a straw man. You feel it’s easier to attack a distorted rendition of your opponents position, rather than just being honest and objective. This is why no one really engages with you - you don’t offer the people you disagree with the same honesty and respect they offer you.

Some people would call you a troll, I don’t think this is the case though. The scary part is, I think you truly believe you are at the forefront of reason and rational arguments. It’s like the saying goes “ Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

All of those things happened in my post. Every single one of them. There is no straw man here.

Whats distorted?
You can type all the dumb shit you want but where is the lie? Where is the distortion? They are all positive claims, easily disproven. Well, if they were fake. I think you're just afraid to google them.

I forgot.. Your daddy did not approve this reality so you're not allowed to believe or view it.

[Gravydoo II]

And yet, here you are.

You just posted, whining about me, because i wont play with your friends..

[Trexller]

You just posted, whining about me, because i wont play with your friends..

gravy, friends don't wanna play with you

you don't dance.

[Jibartik]

The dems tried to hide the truth for decades but the cat's out of the bag.

The people became self aware of the DNC June 14, 2016

Skynet

[unsunghero]

There is no good argument for not having transparency in lesson plans for parents

Personally I believe this actually is the norm, but if it isn’t, it should be. Parents should be allowed to know what their child is being taught, but not just for the obvious reasons. It is a parent’s job to instill a sense of time management and prioritizing in their child. Children for the most part always want to take the path of least resistance. So when it comes to academics, this means many children will try to pull the wool over their parent’s eyes on how they are doing in school if they can get away with it

My biggest gripe from parents is that they didn’t find out how badly their child was failing everything until they were like 3 weeks into failing. Parents who weren’t provided info on the kid’s lesson had no way of verifying what the kid was telling them. A parent should stay on top of their kid’s lesson, as a form of accountability to teach responsibility

If bad things aren’t being taught, there should be nothing to hide. Transparency always

[robayon]

never trust a man in a bow tiewhoa whoa pump the brakes

https://www.project1999.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=317&pictureid=1491

[Reiwa]

There is no good argument for not having transparency in lesson plans for parents

Personally I believe this actually is the norm, but if it isn’t, it should be. Parents should be allowed to know what their child is being taught, but not just for the obvious reasons. It is a parent’s job to instill a sense of time management and prioritizing in their child. Children for the most part always want to take the path of least resistance. So when it comes to academics, this means many children will try to pull the wool over their parent’s eyes on how they are doing in school if they can get away with it

My biggest gripe from parents is that they didn’t find out how badly their child was failing everything until they were like 3 weeks into failing. Parents who weren’t provided info on the kid’s lesson had no way of verifying what the kid was telling them. A parent should stay on top of their kid’s lesson, as a form of accountability to teach responsibility

If bad things aren’t being taught, there should be nothing to hide. Transparency always

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[Jibartik]

LONG LIVE GILEAD!!!

[Ooloo]

Transparency between teachers and parents in a public k-12 school isn't a matter of personal privacy for the teachers Reiwa, if that's what you're implying. Not to mention parents who can't afford private school or to home school shouldn't be forced to accept whatever public school cirriculum happens to be, when they are still the legal guardians of their children (ie the kids are minors).

When kids turn 18, they are free to go to any private or public school they like that teaches any manner of terrible destructive ideas, because they're adults.

[Reiwa]

Transparency between teachers and parents in a public k-12 school isn't a matter of personal privacy for the teachers Reiwa

there's no revenging in baseball :p

[Gravydoo II]

There is no good argument for not having transparency in lesson plans for parents

Personally I believe this actually is the norm, but if it isn’t, it should be. Parents should be allowed to know what their child is being taught, but not just for the obvious reasons. It is a parent’s job to instill a sense of time management and prioritizing in their child. Children for the most part always want to take the path of least resistance. So when it comes to academics, this means many children will try to pull the wool over their parent’s eyes on how they are doing in school if they can get away with it

My biggest gripe from parents is that they didn’t find out how badly their child was failing everything until they were like 3 weeks into failing. Parents who weren’t provided info on the kid’s lesson had no way of verifying what the kid was telling them. A parent should stay on top of their kid’s lesson, as a form of accountability to teach responsibility

If bad things aren’t being taught, there should be nothing to hide. Transparency always

Parents dont get to micromanage what everyone else' kid is taught. Why dont we leave this up to the expert who actually get paid to study these sorts of things. If they want that we have this thing called home schooling and I know you know this. We cant have 20,000 parents telling the school 20,000 different things about what is and is not acceptable, according to their own feelings.

Could you imagine parents going into the classroom while their kid is sitting there trying to learn, timmys dad said hes not allowed to learn about evolution even if timmys favorite movie is jurassic park and he collects fossils. Sorry timmy, youve been denied your education cause your mom and dad dont believe in it.

You want that...? Parents already have opt out sheets for anything questionable, like sex education, the movie "Roots", Schindler's List, all those historical films we all saw and had to get a permission slip signed to do so.

The only issue here is they dont control it 100% like they want to control everything else.

[unsunghero]

Parents dont get to micromanage what everyone else' kid is taught. Why dont we leave this up to the expert who actually get paid to study these sorts of things. If they want that we have this thing called home schooling and I know you know this. We cant have 20,000 parents telling the school 20,000 different things about what is and is not acceptable, according to their own feelings.

Could you imagine parents going into the classroom while their kid is sitting there trying to learn, timmys dad said hes not allowed to learn about evolution even if timmys favorite movie is jurassic park and he collects fossils. Sorry timmy, youve been denied your education cause your mom and dad dont believe in it.

You want that...? Parents already have opt out sheets for anything questionable, like sex education, the movie "Roots", Schindler's List, all those historical films we all saw and had to get a permission slip signed to do so.

The only issue here is they dont control it 100% like they want to control everything else.

You’re assuming that just because a parent had access to a lesson plan that they are going to dispute it

If we are coming from the assumption that all these teachers are normal, professional, and teaching appropriate materials, then you should also come from the assumption that parents are normal professional (different field), and ok with teachers teaching appropriate materials. You don’t get to claim a giant portion of the population is normal and another is batshit crazy because it suits your argument

Edit: does a teacher who is a parent kind of scramble the argument? On one hand they are normal and wise because they are a teacher, on the other hand they are controlling and crazy because they are a parent?

[Reiwa]

You don’t get to claim a giant portion of the population is normal and another is batshit crazy because it suits your argument

The right went full schizo reasoning since their middle east adventurism wars failed horribly.

We're living in the aftermath to this day.

[Ooloo]

No gravy the issue is that parents in some places are being forced to go to PTA meetings and, through tears, reprimand the school board because their young son came home from school and asked if it's bad to be white. This happened. no it's not happening everywhere obviously, but the frequency is increasing, not decreasing.

Siding with these unaccountable school board beaurocrats over concerned parents is like peak establishment-friendly, centralized-control friendly modern leftism.

[unsunghero]

The right went full schizo reasoning since their middle east adventurism wars failed horribly.

We're living in the aftermath of to this day.

No it’s a complete exaggeration, on both sides. Here’s what really happened:

Lesson plans were made more transparent because they had to be for online school during covid. Parents started noticing in a few isolated incidents teachers teaching some stuff they found highly questionable. A few isolated incidents

Then teachers brought these concerns to parent teacher meetings or the school board, which is the appropriate place to bring them. In a few isolated incidents, these meetings got out of control and people got arrested. The vast majority of the meetings went completely fine, and ended with probably something similar to what Gravy said “This is our lesson, if you don’t want it for your child there is homeschooling”

Both sides are trying to exaggerate the frequency of problems like it’s all over the country. I go into schools and talk to parents all the time about their gender confused children, do you know how many have identified something in schools they didn’t like to me, just as a way of venting? Zero

[Ooloo]

The problem with homeschooling is that many of the same people who can't afford a private school of their choice, whose cirricula they approve of, also can't afford to stay home and school their children while also working two jobs, if they're even capable of educating a child.

So there really is no good argument against full transparency for public schools. Of course you can't accommodate every parental concern, but they have a responsibility to try, and this notion that they should have some kind of sacred teacher\student confidentiality agreement with children is insane.

[Jibartik]

The right went full schizo reasoning since their middle east adventurism wars failed horribly.

We're living in the aftermath to this day.

The establishment went to the middle east not "the right"

There are 2 parties, the establishment and the anti establishment.

The establishment was daddy republicans during the middle east wars, now it's mommy democrats today.

Same subset of all the shitty idiots from all the different groups around the country, all working together to hide behind the beast for protection.

[Reiwa]

No it’s a complete exaggeration, on both sides. Here’s what really happened:

Lesson plans were made more transparent because they had to be for online school during covid. Parents started noticing in a few isolated incidents teachers teaching some stuff they found highly questionable. A few isolated incidents

Then teachers brought these concerns to parent teacher meetings or the school board, which is the appropriate place to bring them. In a few isolated incidents, these meetings got out of control and people got arrested. The vast majority of the meetings went completely fine, and ended with probably something similar to what Gravy said “This is our lesson, if you don’t want it for your child there is homeschooling”

Both sides are trying to exaggerate the frequency of problems like it’s all over the country. I go into schools and talk to parents all the time about their gender confused children, do you know how many have identified something in schools they didn’t like to me, just as a way of venting? Zero

Sounds like you want to create a dictatorship of the progenitariat.

Good luck with that.

[unsunghero]

The problem with homeschooling is that many of the same people who can't afford a private school of their choice, whose cirricula they approve of, also can't afford to stay home and school their children while also working two jobs, if they're even capable of educating a child.

So there really is no good argument against full transparency for public schools. Of course you can't accommodate every parental concern, but they have a responsibility to try, and this notion that they should have some kind of sacred teacher\student confidentiality agreement with children is insane.

Yep

Counseling and medical has a much higher confidentiality than any other service, maybe even with lawyer attorney client privilege

Gravy might be steaming pissed about this, but even the confidential counselor + kid professional relationship can be legally violated by a parent whenever they want. They are legally allowed to not only know what the counselor is talking to their kid about, but also to sit in on the counseling session

Same I’m assuming goes for medical appointments

So to act like there is some important and sacred teacher + child confidentiality to protect the kids is ridiculous, because a parent can literally sit in on their kid’s counseling session to prevent a child from gathering the courage to tell their counselor that the parent physically abuses them. Pretty fucked up but that’s how it goes

BUT FUCKING WOW, luckily 99% of parents are pretty normal and don’t do that (sit in on their counseling sessions). Golly gee

[Reiwa]

Dooming children to the same psychological hell as their parents dulce et decorum est?

lol

[unsunghero]

No one here is going to convince me that a parent shouldn’t have access to their kid’s lesson plan

Gravy bringing up the debate over evolution only helps my argument because that issue (evolution being taught in schools) is not at all new in the last 2 years. And low and behold, there has never been national outrage and parents becoming domestic terrorists plotting jihad against schools like Dem media want people to believe parents are doing now

They found out their kid was being taught evolution, they made their arguments about it in a mature way, and the problem was resolved, quietly, one way or another for fucking decades and decades now. So yeah, evolution was a great example to bring up

[Reiwa]

No one here is going to convince me that a parent shouldn’t have access to their kid’s lesson plan



Yep

Gravy might be steaming pissed about this, but even the confidential counselor + kid professional relationship can be legally violated by a parent whenever they want. They are legally allowed to not only know what the counselor is talking to their kid about, but also to sit in on the counseling session

So to act like there is some important and sacred teacher + child confidentiality to protect the kids is ridiculous, because a parent can literally sit in on their kid’s counseling session to prevent a child from gathering the courage to tell their counselor that the parent physically abuses them. Pretty fucked up but that’s how it goes


Are you sure noone can? :p

[Gravydoo II]

You’re assuming that just because a parent had access to a lesson plan that they are going to dispute it

If we are coming from the assumption that all these teachers are normal, professional, and teaching appropriate materials, then you should also come from the assumption that parents are normal professional (different field), and ok with teachers teaching appropriate materials. You don’t get to claim a giant portion of the population is normal and another is batshit crazy because it suits your argument

Edit: does a teacher who is a parent kind of scramble the argument? On one hand they are normal and wise because they are a teacher, on the other hand they are controlling and crazy because they are a parent?

Why would they want to see if they dont want to change something? Every week, if they cared, im sure they could go up to the school or get a progress report. Hell, they could even ask their kids "what did you learn in school today" and be like 12 hours late on their out rage. Like there are so many reasons they dont need to see every last thing the teacher is going to be teaching. If its history, history. Math, math. Science, science.

I just dont understand why all the sudden? They want to know every last thing being taught in schools when it didnt matter a year ago. Now, since fox news told them to be upset about the liberals indoctrinating their kids, here we are.

I seriously doubt its because parents want the school to dive deeper into subjects.

[azeth]

Imagine posting on the internet without at least a masters degree from a Massachusetts based university

[Trexller]

Imagine posting on the internet without at least a masters degree from a Massachusetts based university

imagine thinking in your own mind that you possess a shred of wit.

[azeth]

imagine thinking in your own mind that you possess a shred of wit.

Where are your degrees from? Answer very honestly

[unsunghero]

Are you sure noone can? :p

No, people are possible of anything, it’s just not widespread in either case (terrorist parents or crazy propagandist teachers). And I don’t believe the conservative’s arguments that pornographic and gender-confusing material are being pushed by every public school. I don’t even believe that CRT is being pushed by many teachers because, for one, history really only pertains to a history or social studies class. Why the F would a math teacher be teaching CRT? And two, I just don’t think it is as common as conservatives are claiming. But I am not claiming to know everything about what schools are doing

I can only speak anecdotally, but like I said kids identifying as gender confused, non-binary, and trans is exploding and parents are incorrectly assuming they are getting these “ideas” from school. From actually taking to the kids who identify this way, yes it does seem to have a fad element and appears that is very likely to be just a phase for many of them, but the parents are wrong that the kids are getting it from their teachers. From the mouths of the kids, it spreads among friend groups. One kid hears about a friend identifying as trans or non-binary and they start doing the same. I’m assuming the original is probably getting it from online

Out of the hundreds of LGBT (call me old school but I stop the letters there), I have yet to have a kid mention they read about being non-binary or trans in a school book. And these are naive kids, they wouldn’t have the conceptualization to keep this info from adults for political purposes obviously

[Gravydoo II]

No gravy the issue is that parents in some places are being forced to go to PTA meetings and, through tears, reprimand the school board because their young son came home from school and asked if it's bad to be white. This happened. no it's not happening everywhere obviously, but the frequency is increasing, not decreasing.

Siding with these unaccountable school board beaurocrats over concerned parents is like peak establishment-friendly, centralized-control friendly modern leftism.

you gotta give me something. I know the school did not teach the kids "its bad to be white". I know a teacher who just got fired last week for saying "give me a damn minute" to a kid. So I know that didnt happen, not like you're saying it did.

You're implying the teachers specifically taught kids this as curriculum, like this is part of the class. Or at least implying that it will be. Its not, it never has been, and if he feels bad about white people owning slaves, thats kinda his problem. Go to the school counselor.

Also, we need to change the ENTIRE school system on some level because a kid went home and asked his mom if its bad to be white?? Thats fucking nuts and you know it. One time I got in a fight at school so we need solitary confinement for all students, too. One time these kids were smoking weed, so they should drug test the school every day. Pretty much the level of bullshit you're saying should change because of some kids feelings, that didnt happen the way you're saying it did.

[Reiwa]

LGBT (call me old school but I stop the letters there), I have yet to have a kid mention they read about being non-binary or trans

What does the T stand for, mr old school? 😬

[unsunghero]

What does the T stand for, mr old school? 😬

Trans but the letters continue from there and I haven’t bothered to learn the new ones. Take out the B if we are going to add non-binary in the mix because B implies two things. Bi-pedal, two legs

That’s why I just do the LGBT, because more letters added to that just confuses me

[Gravydoo II]

No, people are possible of anything, it’s just not widespread in either case (terrorist parents or crazy propagandist teachers). And I don’t believe the conservative’s arguments that pornographic and gender-confusing material are being pushed by every public school. I don’t even believe that CRT is being pushed by many teachers because, for one, history really only pertains to a history or social studies class. Why the F would a math teacher be teaching CRT? And two, I just don’t think it is as common as conservatives are claiming. But I am not claiming to know everything about what schools are doing

I can only speak anecdotally, but like I said kids identifying as gender confused, non-binary, and trans is exploding and parents are incorrectly assuming they are getting these “ideas” from school. From actually taking to the kids who identify this way, yes it does seem to have a fad element and appears that is very likely to be just a phase for many of them, but the parents are wrong that the kids are getting it from their teachers. From the mouths of the kids, it spreads among friend groups. One kid hears about a friend identifying as trans or non-binary and they start doing the same. I’m assuming the original is probably getting it from online

Out of the hundreds of LGBT (call me old school but I stop the letters there), I have yet to have a kid mention they read about being non-binary or trans in a school book. And these are naive kids, they wouldn’t have the conceptualization to keep this info from adults for political purposes obviously

It also could be that our society is much more understanding and liberal now a days with the internet and what not. Its OK to be gay, you dont have to wait til your 30 to come out these days. You should be able to say "maybe im gay" or whatever when you're in school and try that life style if you want to. I thought this was the land of the free. Like why not?

They would be alright with the QB of the football team fucking the prom queen but not if its two dudes or two girls. lol.. You're right that it is alot more common but thats because they wont get their heads caved in, put in jail, castrated, etc. At least not as much, but yeah. I dont think its a fad though. I think that people are curious and they will try things when given the opportunity. They dont face a huge social penalty for saying im bi or trans or whatever.

One more thing. We have NO IDEA what its like to go to school these days. I cant even imagine. I think we should be like culture shocked if we spent a day in a classroom. You think so?

[Reiwa]

Trans but the letters continue from there and I haven’t bothered to learn the new ones. Take out the B if we are going to add non-binary in the mix because B implies two things. Bi-pedal, two legs

That’s why I just do the LGBT, because more letters added to that just confuses me

That sounds ok

[Gravydoo II]

Just so everyone knows, CRT is a graduate level course. Meaning you already have an AA and a masters, like 4-8 years of college, then you can pay to take CRT. So... Anyone that says some school is teaching it at a K-12 school is lying. Its simply not available for people to just learn willy nilly from a textbook.

The right has hijacked the word CRT to mean "anything i dont like or think i dont like"

[unsunghero]

It also could be that our society is much more understanding and liberal now a days with the internet and what not. Its OK to be gay, you dont have to wait til your 30 to come out these days. You should be able to say "maybe im gay" or whatever when you're in school and try that life style if you want to. I thought this was the land of the free. Like why not?

They would be alright with the QB of the football team fucking the prom queen but not if its two dudes or two girls. lol.. You're right that it is alot more common but thats because they wont get their heads caved in, put in jail, castrated, etc. At least not as much, but yeah. I dont think its a fad though. I think that people are curious and they will try things when given the opportunity. They dont face a huge social penalty for saying im bi or trans or whatever.

One more thing. We have NO IDEA what its like to go to school these days. I cant even imagine. I think we should be like culture shocked if we spent a day in a classroom. You think so?

Sure more acceptance plays a role but saying there is a cultural element driving it (and by cultural I mean among peers), and that it might be just a phase is not dismissing it, and is probably the best approach to take initially

It also happens to be the approach I see 99% of parents taking. They aren’t saying (at least not to me), “well Timmy said he’s a girl so let’s dose him up with some estrogen”, and they’re not saying “Timmy is going to hell and I don’t love him anymore because he said he was a girl”, either. They are sitting back, expecting it to be a phase, and letting it play out. Now this is what they say to professionals, maybe they are getting Timmy hormones or chastising him behind closed doors, I dunno what happens behind closed doors

I have only had to make one CPS report on a parent who didn’t accept his kids sexuality, and that was because it was a deadbeat parent who was also didn’t know where his kid was most of the time and spent most of the conversation with me insulting the kid. He’s probably lost custody a long time ago now. That’s it, that’s the only sexuality non-acceptance report I’ve made

[Ooloo]

No, people are possible of anything, it’s just not widespread in either case (terrorist parents or crazy propagandist teachers). And I don’t believe the conservative’s arguments that pornographic and gender-confusing material are being pushed by every public school. I don’t even believe that CRT is being pushed by many teachers because, for one, history really only pertains to a history or social studies class. Why the F would a math teacher be teaching CRT? And two, I just don’t think it is as common as conservatives are claiming. But I am not claiming to know everything about what schools are doing

I can only speak anecdotally, but like I said kids identifying as gender confused, non-binary, and trans is exploding and parents are incorrectly assuming they are getting these “ideas” from school. From actually taking to the kids who identify this way, yes it does seem to have a fad element and appears that is very likely to be just a phase for many of them, but the parents are wrong that the kids are getting it from their teachers. From the mouths of the kids, it spreads among friend groups. One kid hears about a friend identifying as trans or non-binary and they start doing the same. I’m assuming the original is probably getting it from online

Out of the hundreds of LGBT (call me old school but I stop the letters there), I have yet to have a kid mention they read about being non-binary or trans in a school book. And these are naive kids, they wouldn’t have the conceptualization to keep this info from adults for political purposes obviously

I think it mainly depends on the region. I don't think many conservatives think it's happening everywhere (though some are definitely overstating it), I think most are more concerned about the trajectory it's heading, even if it's only happening in a handful of schools in super liberal cities currently. The characterization of these parents by the media is what really gets me.

[Gravydoo II]

The cultural element "driving" it is that you no longer pay a huge penalty. There is nothing "driving" its, its always been there. Look at the stats, you're one of the sane people here. Sexuality is fluid at best and better than 10% are over the fence, gay. 20% or better are at least bi-curious. Thats one in five. Every 5th kid in the classroom.

Its not a driver. It just is. People are just more accepting but I feel like I know what you mean. Ive had a few people tell me they were gay or whatever and kind of expected me to spit my drink out or something. Like they wanted that "you're special" kind of reply or whatever. So yeah, lets say 1% are total frauds or at least in it for the likes on twitter lol.

[Reiwa]

I think it mainly depends on the region. I don't think many conservatives think it's happening everywhere (though some are definitely overstating it), I think most are more concerned about the trajectory it's heading, even if it's only happening in a handful of schools in super liberal cities currently. The characterization of these parents by the media is what really gets me.

Can you have standing without being harmed? :p

[unsunghero]

The cultural element "driving" it is that you no longer pay a huge penalty. There is nothing "driving" its, its always been there. Look at the stats, you're one of the sane people here. Sexuality is fluid at best and better than 10% are over the fence, gay. 20% or better are at least bi-curious. Thats one in five. Every 5th kid in the classroom.

Its not a driver. It just is. People are just more accepting but I feel like I know what you mean. Ive had a few people tell me they were gay or whatever and kind of expected me to spit my drink out or something. Like they wanted that "you're special" kind of reply or whatever. So yeah, lets say 1% are total frauds or at least in it for the likes on twitter lol.

Culture among peers influences kids on everything. If a kid’s friends start saying they are goth, very likely a kid will say he/she is goth. Things about our identity spread among friend groups, positive behaviors and negative behaviors spread among friend groups. Cutting and self-harm is most often passed either from sibling to sibling or friend to friend. Sadly so does suicide

Culture plays a big role in a kid’s development

[Gravydoo II]

But isnt there something between kicking your kid out and just not being supportive? Not even neglecting them, but just not being a parent like they should. And its obvious, because it happens after the kids tells their parents. They start being treated differently. Lots of sighs at the dinner table etc. It doesnt have to be "i fucking hate you" to be like, extremely hurtful and damaging to a kids development.

My dad was a racist and told me racist things about bringing girls home. "they better not be no fucking __" and stuff like that. Shits hurtful to know your dad wouldnt support your relationship with someone you liked/loved because of their skin color.

Like that scene in zoolander when he went back to see his parents. Imagine how he felt.. I know thats ridiculous but to say its not a thing and doesnt happen. Begrudging approval, shame, embarrassment around other parents. The kids will pickup on that shit. Then to blame the school or books in school, which could help the kid, so lets take em away.. its just cruel if you ask me.

[Gravydoo II]

But in general, in most places in america, teenagers are pretty accepting. Its not a clique thing, its part of our national identity now. We dont give a shit if someone is gay and if you do you're a weirdo. That like 90% of millennials, they couldnt care less.

Are you saying its localized from school to school or on an even smaller level? Like clique to clique, join the gay clique, turn gay? That kind of thing..? Seriously. Its way too complicated of an issue to just say its so small like that.

Theres another thing I think we're missing. Its not permanent unless you want it to be, too. Like whats the issue with people trying something they now know is ok and they are not going to judged harshly or killed for it by their peers?

[unsunghero]

But isnt there something between kicking your kid out and just not being supportive? Not even neglecting them, but just not being a parent like they should. And its obvious, because it happens after the kids tells their parents. They start being treated differently. Lots of sighs at the dinner table etc. It doesnt have to be "i fucking hate you" to be like, extremely hurtful and damaging to a kids development.

My dad was a racist and told me racist things about bringing girls home. "they better not be no fucking __" and stuff like that. Shits hurtful to know your dad wouldnt support your relationship with someone you liked/loved because of their skin color.

Like that scene in zoolander when he went back to see his parents. Imagine how he felt.. I know thats ridiculous but to say its not a thing and doesnt happen. Begrudging approval, shame, embarrassment around other parents. The kids will pickup on that shit. Then to blame the school or books in school, which could help the kid, so lets take em away.. its just cruel if you ask me.

That’s why I said I don’t know what occurs behind closed doors. And what qualifies as emotional abuse is the greyest area of mandated reporting. For example, a parent is legally allowed to insult their kid occasionally, and we aren’t required to make a report to CPS because their parent calls them a lazy bum or dumb occasionally. It’s about how pervasive the insults are, and the psychological damage they seem to be doing to the kid

A parent having difficulty adjusting to their kid claiming they are trans especially early on, but APPEARING (since once again, behind closed doors is unknown) supportive in every other way is not grounds for a report, even from hardcore leftist co-workers

Other more extreme versions of unacceptance are not being communicated, which is not all that surprising, because these parents are typically going to be ones who have a lot of control over what their kid is disclosing and doing. I don’t have ongoing professional relationships with kids I see in my current job (in past jobs years ago I did but only a small caseload), and that’s also a factor in my anecdotal experience

[Duik]

What does the T stand for, mr old school? 😬

TrySexual as in I'll try anything.
Or, more correctly I dont care.
You cant accept others' weirdness (lets face it, its weird to wanna be called a paperclip or a poodle or gender non specific but whatev's) but expect everyone else to accept yours, weirdness that is.

You are weird to someone.
For any number of reasons.
You dont even need to understand or accept them.

[unsunghero]

From talking to co-workers, teachers, school counselors/psychologists, and people at other agencies in the behavioral health field…

…there is a difference about trans and non-binary versus gay/bi. All the parties I just mentioned, are noticeably more forgiving/less critical in regards to parents not accepting trans and non-binary. I think the newness of the ideas versus the idea of being gay plays a role, and the age of the guardian plays a role

For example, grandparents often get kinship placement of kids taken from parents by CPS or orphaned. I have never met a grandparent guardian yet who heard about their grandkid being non-binary and didn’t say something like “what the heck is non-binary?”. Then to have it explained that they don’t feel like either gender and them not saying something like “Nooo, they’re a boy[/girl]” And for the most part I think this can go on a surprisingly long time, as long as they are supportive in every other way. Most of behavioral health is leftist, but they allow a lot of leniency on non trans and non-binary acceptance, case by case, and influenced by I think those factors

[Tethler]

https://whyy.org/articles/pa-fuel-tax-meant-for-bridge-repair-went-to-state-police-instead/

Democrat politicians in Pennsylvania diverted $4.2 billion from the gasoline tax that was supposed to go directly to the bridge that fell down and spent that on police instead.

Seriously Democrats are evil.

Jibartik wants to defund the police

[Knuckle]

No, standard issue liberals hijacking and discrediting leftist movements for their own personal profit isn't new

I expect the same treatment of, say, Joel Osteen types when they capitalize on conservative values from the right, but they just keep overlooking that kind of stuff

Elliot Abrams worked for the United States government, and wielded far more power, as recently as January 2021 and this is the shit Fox News wants to get you worked up over lol

Nah dog, all values are wack yo, got big red hat feel good, you wear red hat you good too?

[robayon]

Jibartik wants to defund the policeSo do I

[starkind]

Regardless of your made up race everyone should be absoltely perfect and flawless. Anything less is essentially a death sentence or murdering those around u.

I'm quite serious.

It's time to get right ppl. :o

[F0rmsh1fter]

No, standard issue liberals hijacking and discrediting leftist movements for their own personal profit isn't new

I expect the same treatment of, say, Joel Osteen types when they capitalize on conservative values from the right, but they just keep overlooking that kind of stuff

Elliot Abrams worked for the United States government, and wielded far more power, as recently as January 2021 and this is the shit Fox News wants to get you worked up over lol

Two comments in and these commies are already using the no true Scotsman defense lol

Trex, did you know that until recently, blm openly admitted they’re a Marxist organization on their website

[F0rmsh1fter]

Jibartik wants to defund the police

So do I. Then there would be no one to get in the way of saving our country

[Gravydoo II]

So do I. Then there would be no one to get in the way of saving our country

Dont be a pussy, go fight.

[F0rmsh1fter]

Dont be a pussy, go fight.

Put your Star on

[Botten]

Put your Star on

F0rmsh1fter or Trexller or whatever name he likes to go by being again antisemitic, again.

You would have been here if you could have..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq9yst4W-6c&t=56s

oh wait they call them Trump Rallies now.

[Toxigen]

OdJOLMgY4p0

daily reminder if you vote left you're retarded

[robayon]

Nothing says "confidence" like daily reminders on the elf forum

[Botten]

Speaking of things that scare Republican because it educates.

And boy does Trump love his uneducated.

Conservatives Are Banning Books From Schools While Whining About 'Cancel Culture' (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/conservatives-ban-books-schools_n_61f40a19e4b04f9a12bcb247)

Better than burning them I guess but Trexller (F0rmsh1fter) and his antisemitic attitude maybe closer to considering this than anyone.

[BlackBellamy]

Just so everyone knows, CRT is a graduate level course. Meaning you already have an AA and a masters, like 4-8 years of college, then you can pay to take CRT. So... Anyone that says some school is teaching it at a K-12 school is lying. Its simply not available for people to just learn willy nilly from a textbook.

The right has hijacked the word CRT to mean "anything i dont like or think i dont like"

Ok so if people who do have masters and 300 years of college and all the credentials you require, if those people create slideshows and curricula and training materials using CRT tenets, and then they train teachers and school staff then you can claim with 100% certitude that CRT is not being taught in schools.

That's your argument I think? That CRT is a thing that is only offered on a graduate level as a university course. That it's not a broadly-held social theory that is influential in corporate and learning settings?

I like your strawman argument where you say all those who don't agree with you don't understand CRT. I like the use of the loaded word 'hijacking' like disagreeing with a description proffered by partisan ideologues makes you a criminal.

I understand CRT and I disagree with it. I think it's wrong. I think it's fails as a social theory because it's tenets are untestable and all it's claims are just that, claims. None of it is evidence based and I would like to point out that absolutely any criticism of the theory is met with namecalling and shouts of racism, which is a hallmark of a mind that has nothing else to offer.

It's also divisive, but I wouldn't care about that if there was even a hit of evidence CRT is anything but another example of parochial narcissism.

[robayon]

Ok so if people who do have masters and 300 years of college and all the credentials you require, if those people create slideshows and curricula and training materials using CRT tenets, and then they train teachers and school staff then you can claim with 100% certitude that CRT is not being taught in.How about you try and prove that it is being taught if you want to do all this debate club stuff

[Reiwa]

Speaking of things that scare Republican because it educates.

And boy does Trump love his uneducated.

Conservatives Are Banning Books From Schools While Whining About 'Cancel Culture' (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/conservatives-ban-books-schools_n_61f40a19e4b04f9a12bcb247)

Better than burning them I guess but Trexller (F0rmsh1fter) and his antisemitic attitude maybe closer to considering this than anyone.

Banning is when you suggest the children should read a different book.

[Chortles Snortles]

that’ll teach em
(lol)

[Gravydoo II]

Ok so if people who do have masters and 300 years of college and all the credentials you require, if those people create slideshows and curricula and training materials using CRT tenets, and then they train teachers and school staff then you can claim with 100% certitude that CRT is not being taught in schools.

That's your argument I think? That CRT is a thing that is only offered on a graduate level as a university course. That it's not a broadly-held social theory that is influential in corporate and learning settings?

I like your strawman argument where you say all those who don't agree with you don't understand CRT. I like the use of the loaded word 'hijacking' like disagreeing with a description proffered by partisan ideologues makes you a criminal.

I understand CRT and I disagree with it. I think it's wrong. I think it's fails as a social theory because it's tenets are untestable and all it's claims are just that, claims. None of it is evidence based and I would like to point out that absolutely any criticism of the theory is met with namecalling and shouts of racism, which is a hallmark of a mind that has nothing else to offer.

It's also divisive, but I wouldn't care about that if there was even a hit of evidence CRT is anything but another example of parochial narcissism.

Just like I said. They have no fucking idea what it is, where is taught, they just make shit up. See what hes saying there? Oh well since it exists, it must be being taught at corporations! Again, anything they dont like, CRT. I think he means equality training..

[unsunghero]

Banning is when you suggest the children should read a different book.

Make no mistake, conservatives have 100% embraced banning, cancelling, whatever it’s called certain contents for public education

Hypocrisy accusations won’t dissuade them. The libertarian idea of “anything goes, all ideas welcome” has become the minority in the party in regards to public education. Which, to some degree, makes sense, just as moderation on social media platforms makes sense to prevent mindless harassment. For example (and I’ll use an extreme example), if I want to publish a book about how fun it is to kill your pets, along with descriptions on how to do it, and say because it’s a children’s book and all ideas are welcome in school that it belongs in school, it still shouldn’t belong in school. So restricting content as a concept isn’t absurd

[Ooloo]

Just like I said. They have no fucking idea what it is, where is taught, they just make shit up. See what hes saying there? Oh well since it exists, it must be being taught at corporations! Again, anything they dont like, CRT. I think he means equality training..

Attempting to reprogram what is in people's hearts via some incredibly generic, cold, inpersonal "equity and inclusion training" has absolutely no data so suggest that it works at all. Not to mention the tacit assumption that you REQUIRE such training based on absolutely nothing is incredibly patronizing and insulting. It's a complete waste of money and time and an excuse to give people with useless degrees a job in HR. And yes, there are many examples of CRT being taught. It's just not everywhere. I guess something can't be of concern until it's everywhere. Brilliant logic.

[robayon]

Show me some of the examples of CRT being taught in a public school between preschool and the 12th grade

[Jibartik]

There is no good in the world anymore the only thing left is hate.

[Gravydoo II]

Attempting to reprogram what is in people's hearts via some incredibly generic, cold, inpersonal "equity and inclusion training" has absolutely no data so suggest that it works at all. Not to mention the tacit assumption that you REQUIRE such training based on absolutely nothing is incredibly patronizing and insulting. It's a complete waste of money and time and an excuse to give people with useless degrees a job in HR. And yes, there are many examples of CRT being taught. It's just not everywhere. I guess something can't be of concern until it's everywhere. Brilliant logic.

Information is not stored in your heart bud. It doesnt work on you because you're a racist and you cant admit you have racist thoughts from time to time and you need to recognize and correct yourself on them.

Seems like some of us need it more than others. My dad didnt understand this stuff either until I explained it in a way he could understand.

My dad is a real loud mouth, asshole, racist. Anyways, when a fat white woman walks by, he wont pay her any mind. When a skinny, crackhead white lady walks by or sits next to him at the bar, its a non-issue. He goes out of his way for white girls, helping them with money and shit, etc.

Anyways, when a fat black lady walks by he makes all this noise and these faces, saying shit like "oh my god thats so fucking gross" or whatever it may be. He wont help a black person in need, but a white girl? He's captain save a ho. He didnt even realize he was doing it. His own mother is fucking fat, but shes not disgusting. Only when black people were fat was it a problem. Only the POC bums need to "get off the streets" and every time something was vandalized "i bet it was ____'s" was his thought. I had to show him on a tablet like images of people to show him his own response. It worked though, he admitted he is a racist and said he will work on it. I'm proud of my father, after 66 years, he is trying to change.

It took sitting him down and showing him that comparison for him to even realize he was doing it. He wasnt even conscious of his actions.

That is why they have the training, dummy.


Where is CRT being taught? You keep saying it is.. but you cant tell me where. Just about one kid who asked his mommy if its bad to be white, one time.. out of 330,000,000 people. WHOA lets make talking illegal!

[Jibartik]

Anyone who is not full aware of the insane far left bullshit that is being pumped into kids heads either

A) lives in a dump
B) has no kids

[Gravydoo II]

Again CRT is "anything i dont like or suspect is bad"

They claim this knowledge they simply CANT possess. How the fuck would they know if it was being taught in a classroom?? Cause they heard it on 4chan? I'm sure all their friends on 4chan have wifes, kids, and they ALWAYS tell the truth on that website. I'd be willing to bet all these stories of these nameless kids from nameless schools from nameless cities and states are being taught CRT in every class. The black students are allowed to beat up the white students in history class, just whatever oppression fantasy they want. Oh and every teacher tells the white kids they have to serve as the desks for the black kids to make up for slavery too. Because thats how it works.. Tell the lie, tell it over and over, its now true.

[Ooloo]

Show me some of the examples of CRT being taught in a public school between preschool and the 12th grade

Haha of course, typical lib gaslighting response. "Show me an example this isn't even happening wooooo it's all an illusion!!"

Anti-Racist Baby is a kids book by ibrahim x kendi, it's already being introduced into childrens cirriculum.

But I'm sure you'll say a kids book by a guy who describes himself as an anti-racist CRT expert isn't a good enough example, please do tell me why!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi55DtODCpA (also Walsh's commentary in this is hilarious as always highly recommend)

[Gravydoo II]

Anyone who is not full aware of the insane far left bullshit that is being pumped into kids heads either

A) lives in a dump
B) has no kids

Tell us the insane far left bullshit. Give us an example?

Do they teach the kids if you just change the first letter of the n-word you're still a racist??

[Gravydoo II]

Haha of course, typical lib gaslighting response. "Show me an example this isn't even happening wooooo it's all an illusion!!"

Anti-Racist Baby is a kids book by ibrahim x kendi, it's already being introduced into childrens cirriculum.

But I'm sure you'll say a kids book by a guy who describes himself as an anti-racist CRT expert isn't a good enough example, please do tell me why!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi55DtODCpA

CRT is not a book. Its a course and its more than one semester. Have you even looked up what CRT is at all? Or was tuckers explanation enough?

So how is a book for children about the REAL subject of racism in america, CRT?

Just like I said. Anything they dont like is CRT. Oh my god a book for kids about how racism is real and hurts people! CRT BAN! BAN IT! BAN!!

[Trexller]

CRT is not a book. Its a course and its more than one semester. Have you even looked up what CRT is at all? Or was tuckers explanation enough?

So how is a book for children about the REAL subject of racism in america, CRT?

Just like I said. Anything they dont like is CRT. Oh my god a book for kids about how racism is real and hurts people! CRT BAN! BAN IT! BAN!!

Anything that in any essence that describes one group of people being inherently better or worse than another, has no place in a cohesive human society.

You Sir, I am addressing YOU specifically Gravy, Hate yourself and project such onto the world around you.

Any reply will be deflection, projection, or some form of, "I know you are, but what am I"

[Ooloo]

Haha gravy confirmed doesn't know what crt is. While accusing others of that very thing! Craaaazy!

Guys it's just a course that's taught in COLLEGE (which doesn't make it any less useless of a theory btw)!!! Therefor, there's no possible way that the fundamental concepts could be repackaged and taught to children! There's no way! All these concerned parents are just racist wacko fox newsers!

[Jibartik]

which one is gravy (https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdhcvoJM/)

[Horza]

So about those examples of children actually being taught CRT?

[Ooloo]

Also, the whole "CRT is only taught in college" bullshit is a total red herring. The fact is that even college level courses dealing with this are complete indoctrination. They are not teaching what CRT is as an academic concept, historically, and presenting pro and con positions on it. It's pure indoctrination.

So when you say "It's a college course" you might as well just be saying "Hey they're only indoctrinating college students!". Like, great?? How is that even remotely a defense of the practice itself?

[Ooloo]

So about those examples of children actually being taught CRT?

I already posted a perfectly good one retard.

"Nothing disrupts racism more than when we confess the racist ideas that we sometimes express."

That is in that children's book. That is creepy, ideological indoctrination. Maybe a child can grow up all on his own and not be racist without reading this confusing, jargon-riddled propaganda?? Just a hunch of mine.

I never read that horseshit book when I was in 1st grade, and yet, I'm not a racist.

[Toxigen]

wypipo bad

[Horza]

I already posted a perfectly good one retard.

"Nothing disrupts racism more than when we confess the racist ideas that we sometimes express."

That is in that children's book. That is creepy, ideological indoctrination. Maybe a child can grow up all on his own and not be racist without reading this confusing, jargon-riddled propaganda?? Just a hunch of mine.

I never read that horseshit book when I was in 1st grade, and yet, I'm not a racist.

I get it, Baler. You'd much rather have impressionable young children reading the Pro-racist, Tucker-watching Baby, but that's still not CRT.

[Jibartik]

God damn Ooloo won the debate.

[robayon]

Haha of course, typical lib gaslighting response. "Show me an example this isn't even happening wooooo it's all an illusion!!"

Anti-Racist Baby is a kids book by ibrahim x kendi, it's already being introduced into childrens cirriculum.

But I'm sure you'll say a kids book by a guy who describes himself as an anti-racist CRT expert isn't a good enough example, please do tell me why!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi55DtODCpA (also Walsh's commentary in this is hilarious as always highly recommend)I'll watch whatever this link is later when I am not at work, but please tell me if it is part of a curriculum or just a book in a library

Also, have you read that book?

[robayon]

God damn Ooloo won the debate.Sorry buddy you are not objective enough to be scorekeeper

None of us are

[Jibartik]

No he gave the direct answer to the question. Denying that is being an agent of hypernormilzation for the beast

https://i.imgur.com/iKLzRJC.png

https://i.imgur.com/Rfosz8U.png

[robayon]

Must have missed the question!

Anyways, enjoy your culture war over elaborate reasons to avoid telling the truth, banning books doesn't work in the long run anyways

[Jibartik]

The challenge (you gave him) was, where is it being taught in elementary schools? He showed a book that is in elementary schools.

The problem is that we cant make simple factual observations, once we do we get so bent out of shape because of culture war identity politics that we admit we didnt even know what the question was we were yelling at the guy about in the first place lol

[robayon]

The challenge (you gave him) was, where is it being taught in elementary schools? He showed a book that is in elementary schools.

The problem is that we cant make simple factual observations, once we do we get so bent out of shape because of culture war identity politics that we admit we didnt even know what the question was we were yelling at the guy about in the first place lolI withold further argument until I have seen whatever the content of the video is

[Jibartik]

The end is effing nigh.

The richest of the world today will be all that is left.

There are two types of people:

People that work for the wealthy

Everyone else.

The democrats used everyone else, to convince them that they are not working for the wealthy.

Sad.

[Gravydoo II]

How about those examples?? Well??

You're allowed to take whatever classes you want.

You're allowed to spent 50k on a religious bullshit degree from prager U, too. Thats not indoctrination though. Teaching girls they are less than men and they should serve men in every way. Teaching women they are just vessels for babies, they are not actually in charge of the baby at all, the man is. That is OK to teach kids at christian universities. Teaching girls abortion is wrong, it causes cancer, etc. Thats not indoctrination though.. Thats just religion and good ole christian values! a-hyuck *spitoon*

Teaching adults that racism was real in a class they chose and paid for themselves, omg indoctrination!!!!

Are you fucking stupid??? Go look, pussy.
https://criticalrace.org

Go find a school thats run by the state that is teaching CRT. Its not out there, dumb fuck. Private schools can teach whatever they want. Stop pretending its the same thing for the STATE to teach something and a private school honors or college class for "elite" students as described by this website.

The rest are colleges. So what the fuck are you crying about exactly? People are allowed to CHOOSE something? LOL You fucking hate america. Just say it. Oh my god these people are allowed to choose to be educated in something I dont like! Ban it! Listen to you, you're fucking fascists. You sounds like the communist chinese

[Gravydoo II]

Add's one book to library of 17,000 books.

OMG HYPER NORMALIZATION!! HYPER!! THEY ARE FORCING IT DOWN OUR THROATS!!

Listen to yourselves. Bunch of fucking pussies. Do we need to turn all the playboys around when you walk in the gas station, too? You might see a nipple! Bunch of pearl clutching pussies, fainting over a fucking book... pathetic..

[robayon]

Does PragerU actually award degrees? I thought it was just a propaganda outlet for billionaires and their cronies like Dennis Prager and Mike Rowe

[Trexller]

is there a single person on this forum that regards Gravydoo II as sound of mind, contributory, well informed and coherent?

I'm just wondering, not a troll or flame

If you're one of the folks that reads a post from Gravydoo II and you're like, "yeah you know that guy makes a good point", Please reply and say so

[Jibartik]

Gravy trying to understand what people mean by CRT is like listening to a fat ass 60 year old single woman try to understand that BLM does not mean all the other lives dont matter.

[starkind]

Alexa: Did a black colored person even ever own a slave or indentured servant?

Alexa: Did anyone have "rights" b4 1776?

[Reiwa]

How about those examples?? Well??

You're allowed to take whatever classes you want.

You're allowed to spent 50k on a religious bullshit degree from prager U, too. Thats not indoctrination though. Teaching girls they are less than men and they should serve men in every way. Teaching women they are just vessels for babies, they are not actually in charge of the baby at all, the man is. That is OK to teach kids at christian universities. Teaching girls abortion is wrong, it causes cancer, etc. Thats not indoctrination though.. Thats just religion and good ole christian values! a-hyuck *spitoon*

Teaching adults that racism was real in a class they chose and paid for themselves, omg indoctrination!!!!

Are you fucking stupid??? Go look, pussy.
https://criticalrace.org

Go find a school thats run by the state that is teaching CRT. Its not out there, dumb fuck. Private schools can teach whatever they want. Stop pretending its the same thing for the STATE to teach something and a private school honors or college class for "elite" students as described by this website.

The rest are colleges. So what the fuck are you crying about exactly? People are allowed to CHOOSE something? LOL You fucking hate america. Just say it. Oh my god these people are allowed to choose to be educated in something I dont like! Ban it! Listen to you, you're fucking fascists. You sounds like the communist chinese

Not to ruffle any feathers but -

What if CRT school gets (federal) student financial aid?

[Trexller]

Not to ruffle any feathers but -

What if CRT school gets (federal) student financial aid?

https://i.imgur.com/eCn3Rkq.jpg

[robayon]

Haha of course, typical lib gaslighting response. "Show me an example this isn't even happening wooooo it's all an illusion!!"

Anti-Racist Baby is a kids book by ibrahim x kendi, it's already being introduced into childrens cirriculum.

But I'm sure you'll say a kids book by a guy who describes himself as an anti-racist CRT expert isn't a good enough example, please do tell me why!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi55DtODCpA (also Walsh's commentary in this is hilarious as always highly recommend)I have now watched this video. Here is what I asked verbatim: "Show me some of the examples of CRT being taught in a public school between preschool and the 12th grade"

The attached video does not address this at all, it's just Matt Walsh griping about a book and the art and the message, that's not relevant.

I searched google for this book being in public schools and found nothing, just some private school in NYC that had some copies or something. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but treating this opinion-based video as a slam dunk is ... uh... well I'll give you another shot if you care to try because maybe you copy/pasted the wrong link or something

Also, not pleased I'm gonna have to scrub this out of my youtube feed lest I start seeing that little toad Ben Shapiro popping up more often

[robayon]

https://i.imgur.com/eCn3Rkq.jpgDoes 'owning' 600+ people and raping some of them make one a patriot or a tyrant?

[Ooloo]

Haha more TECHNICALLY bullshit. Yeah jeez guys I can't POSSIBLY imagine that this isn't being taught in any schools when it's a book specifically for kids. AUHMMM you didn't post an example! Well, I *DID* post a very specific example of pedophilic content being in a school district's library, and got exactly zero credit for it. Why the fuck should I post an example of anything else? You guys are just utterly bad faith in every response.

What's your opinion of the book itself? Is it appropriate for kids?

[Horza]

Who needs any evidence at all when you have conservatives' feelings, right?

[Ooloo]

Does 'owning' 600+ people and raping some of them make one a patriot or a tyrant?

Thanks monday morning quarter back larry. Your understanding of history from the young turks is invaluable.

Then you say "Did he NOT own slaves HUH?????". Like, fuck off. If you had lived in 1776 in the colonies, you'd probably have been forced to own slaves to even survive. Jefferson freed his slaves upon his death, via his will, because that's the only way he could without sentencing his family *AND* his slaves to an early death.

But yeah I know slavery bad, no shit sherlock, everyone agrees with that. Very nuanced stuff.

[Reiwa]

Haha more TECHNICALLY bullshit. Yeah jeez guys I can't POSSIBLY imagine that this isn't being taught in any schools when it's a book specifically for kids. AUHMMM you didn't post an example! Well, I *DID* post a very specific example of pedophilic content being in a school district's library, and got exactly zero credit for it. Why the fuck should I post an example of anything else? You guys are just utterly bad faith in every response.

What's your opinion of the book itself? Is it appropriate for kids?

Maus? The pictures on google aren't very bad, but I didn't want to give it more than a passing glance.

[Reiwa]

The end is effing nigh.

The richest of the world today will be all that is left.

There are two types of people:

People that work for the wealthy

Everyone else.

The democrats used everyone else, to convince them that they are not working for the wealthy.

Sad.

Was it here I saw that Jon Stewart Barry O Bezos conversation? That was good but we can't stop them.

They're bringing back a life of service. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3xnUdt5Zm0)

I will serve the House of Bezos-Coburg-Mountbatten!

[robayon]

Haha more TECHNICALLY bullshit. Yeah jeez guys I can't POSSIBLY imagine that this isn't being taught in any schools when it's a book specifically for kids. AUHMMM you didn't post an example! Well, I *DID* post a very specific example of pedophilic content being in a school district's library, and got exactly zero credit for it. Why the fuck should I post an example of anything else? You guys are just utterly bad faith in every response.

What's your opinion of the book itself? Is it appropriate for kids?I refuse to answer any more of your questions until you provide the proof you said you have an abundance of. Especially if you've already posted it, then you'd just have to pull it out of your own history, easy pz

This is the second time I've gone through this with you on a subject, I am starting to realize you're decent at pretending to be talented at discourse amongst other conservative types who already have pretty low thresholds for evidence (like Ben Shapiro & Matt Walsh, for example) but I don't think you really perceive how transparent this is to most people

Granted, most people aren't brain damaged enough to even participate in conversations like this, but I definitely am

[robayon]

Thanks monday morning quarter back larry. Your understanding of history from the young turks is invaluable.

Then you say "Did he NOT own slaves HUH?????". Like, fuck off. If you had lived in 1776 in the colonies, you'd probably have been forced to own slaves to even survive. Jefferson freed his slaves upon his death, via his will, because that's the only way he could without sentencing his family *AND* his slaves to an early death.

But yeah I know slavery bad, no shit sherlock, everyone agrees with that. Very nuanced stuff.Very convenient for fans of the American founding fathers I guess, but when you're trying to predict my responses to stuff I figure you must be struggling

[Gravydoo II]

One book is not a course that lasts two or three semesters. I looked up somewhere to take the classes, it wasnt a short class. Had like four parts. So yeah, one book is not four semesters.

You're just substituting CRT for anything you dont like. Guess what? This is america. You're allowed to publish books about racism for children. You're also allowed to let children read them if they want to. Just like you're allowed to let kids read the bible. You're just a pussy.

[Gravydoo II]

Not to ruffle any feathers but -

What if CRT school gets (federal) student financial aid?

I dont know enough about the regulations for funding financial aid. I think you're allowed to go to any accredited school with that money. If that school teaches CRT, so be it. Thats not the same thing as a public school funded by tax dollars 90% or more or whatever the amount is on that.

[Reiwa]

I dont know enough about the regulations for funding financial aid. I think you're allowed to go to any accredited school with that money. If that school teaches CRT, so be it. Thats not the same thing as a public school funded by tax dollars 90% or more or whatever the amount is on that.

Looks like Liberty gets federal student aid anyway.

Turns out both sides are the problem, I've cracked the case yet again!

https://i.imgur.com/UOrvyFu.gif

[Ooloo]

Sometimes one side is the problem, sometimes the other side is the problem. You might say both sides really are the problem, but temporal context matters!

[Chortles Snortles]

those pesky blacks
-Baler

[Ooloo]

Wtf are you talking about? I'm not baler, and I have no problem with black people.

btw I bought something from you in ec tunnel once and it was way too expensive but I really needed it

[Chortles Snortles]

2eZ
siP

[unsunghero]

There were two studies I believe from Canada that showed that babies had a preference for faces of their same race or something

Other studies have suggested a similar thing but because I believe these babies were from a homogenous race family it was unknown if it really was a racial bias or just a familiarity

But personally I think children have to be taught to be racist, not the other way around

[Gravydoo II]

Children are definitely taught to be hateful before they learn it on their own. Where are they going to form these opinions? All POC are evil thieves, they control the media, they control the drugs in america.. lol. Like where would a little kid learn this stuff? They wouldnt, not on their own. Just takes one person they trust to twist their mind.

People convince little kids all the time a magic man lives in the sky and he is watching you 24/7 but be already knows what you're gonna do and you owe him cause his son died for you. All. The. Time. Lol.

[Jibartik]

Lmao shut the fuck up donny.

[Gravydoo II]

Oh look, indoctrination..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXsxS4bmzkk&ab_channel=WaldorfNation

Why the fuck is ben shapiro in a 3rd grade class room talking about how the government steals your money through taxes..? Talk about indoctrinating kids with bullshit. I guess its not bullshit if you agree with it, like jesus and the bible.

[Elizondo]

Oh look, indoctrination..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXsxS4bmzkk&ab_channel=WaldorfNation

Why the fuck is ben shapiro in a 3rd grade class room talking about how the government steals your money through taxes..? Talk about indoctrinating kids with bullshit. I guess its not bullshit if you agree with it, like jesus and the bible.

roads and bridges!

for realz this time guyz I swear

[Trexller]

is there a single person on this forum that regards Gravydoo II as sound of mind, contributory, well informed and coherent?

I'm just wondering, not a troll or flame

If you're one of the folks that reads a post from Gravydoo II and you're like, "yeah you know that guy makes a good point", Please reply and say so

Anyone? Anyone at all?

Hellloooooooo dooowwnnnn Thheerrrreeeee

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused:

[unsunghero]

Oh look, indoctrination..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXsxS4bmzkk&ab_channel=WaldorfNation

Why the fuck is ben shapiro in a 3rd grade class room talking about how the government steals your money through taxes..? Talk about indoctrinating kids with bullshit. I guess its not bullshit if you agree with it, like jesus and the bible.

Top button on collared shirt buttoned?

[Jibartik]

Oh look, indoctrination..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXsxS4bmzkk&ab_channel=WaldorfNation

Why the fuck is ben shapiro in a 3rd grade class room talking about how the government steals your money through taxes..? Talk about indoctrinating kids with bullshit. I guess its not bullshit if you agree with it, like jesus and the bible.

just to be clear you're proud that the 3rd graders have your arguments.

[Gravydoo II]

You mad that that his arguments crumbled before a 3rd grader...?

[starkind]

everyone in this thread is a super homeless flat earther conspiracy insane person who needs to get locked down except for gravy

[robayon]

Why the fuck is ben shapiro in a 3rd grade class room talking about how the government steals your money through taxes..?

It's because he seeks out his peers, the same reason he only "debates" frantic 19 year old college students and below. He's just getting a head start on those kids there so he doesn't have to try as hard in like twelve years

[Ooloo]

It's because he seeks out his peers, the same reason he only "debates" frantic 19 year old college students and below. He's just getting a head start on those kids there so he doesn't have to try as hard in like twelve years

Nah he's also debated both cenk and ana from the young turks, who are ostensibly his peers, and he also obliterated them. They both were basically making college freshmen arguments anyway, because it really is the best they've got.

[Jibartik]

You mad that that his arguments crumbled before a 3rd grader...?

No just pointing out a 3rd grader said something a 3rd grader would say and you went, "whoah this guys a genius! I've never heard such logic!"

Nah he's also debated both cenk and ana from the young turks, who are ostensibly his peers, and he also obliterated them. They both were basically making college freshmen arguments anyway, because it really is the best they've got.

when he was on stage with that girl from TYT debating she spent the entire set looking at him with fuck me eyes haha

Cant stop evolution. The confident man is hot.

[Botten]

Nah he's also debated both cenk and ana from the young turks, who are ostensibly his peers, and he also obliterated them. They both were basically making college freshmen arguments anyway, because it really is the best they've got.

Yeah I don't much put faith in a person like Ben that doesn't consider or participate much in moderated debate or does the stereotypical Rand Paul thing of interrupting the person to talk over them; than rather have a debate.

Oh and fails to a debate against his own party.

Conservative pundit Ben Shapiro admits he was 'destroyed' after cutting short TV debate (https://wtop.com/tv/2019/05/conservative-pundit-ben-shapiro-admits-he-was-destroyed-after-cutting-short-tv-debate/)

.

[Jibartik]

Yeah I don't much put faith in a person like Ben that doesn't consider or participate much in moderated debate or does the stereotypical Rand Paul thing of interrupting the person to talk over them; than rather have a debate.

Oh and fails to a debate against his own party.

Conservative pundit Ben Shapiro admits he was 'destroyed' after cutting short TV debate (https://wtop.com/tv/2019/05/conservative-pundit-ben-shapiro-admits-he-was-destroyed-after-cutting-short-tv-debate/)

.

you found a man who is willing to admit publicly he lost a debate and your response is to insult him.

Find me a democrat who has ever uttered those words.

The way you describe ben's debate skills, which he has in spades, proves you have never actually watched him and only pay attention to your friends during the circle j after someone brought him up.

[unsunghero]

No just pointing out a 3rd grader said something a 3rd grader would say and you went, "whoah this guys a genius! I've never heard such logic!"



when he was on stage with that girl from TYT debating she spent the entire set looking at him with fuck me eyes haha

Cant stop evolution. The confident man is hot.

I was relatively impressed with Ana’s arguments in the initial part of that debate I watched. Not that I thought she was “winning”, but my expectations for her were pretty low coming in and she had a good amount of poise and politeness. I only watched like the first 10 min tho and got sidetracked

[Jibartik]

She started out ok, which most lefties do, but when you start pointing out the holes in their arguments it always falls apart.

[robayon]

Damn y'all watch a lot more debates than I do. I didnt know that, I just heard that Cenk was a union buster so I never really bothered watching any TYT content. I am certainly not going to watch Ben Shapiro deliberately, though.

I never did watch the Jordan Peterson / Zizek debate either.

The only Youtube type thing I ever really watched much was ContraPoints, she had some fun ones, but I haven't watched any in a few years now.

Nah he's also debated both cenk and ana from the young turks, who are ostensibly his peers, and he also obliterated them.Given what you seem to consider "obliterated" a la that Matt Walsh video yesterday, I am taking this with a massive grain of salt. Not that I am going to watch the video, so I guess it will just have to remain a mystery to me.

[Jibartik]

I enjoy arguing and watching people argue.

[Reiwa]

Nah he's also debated both cenk and ana from the young turks, who are ostensibly his peers, and he also obliterated them. They both were basically making college freshmen arguments anyway, because it really is the best they've got.

Is it the best they've got or what the base wants?

Both sides, you see. :)

[robayon]

I enjoy arguing and watching people argue.I don't

Despite my behavior on this forum

[Jibartik]

Hmm.. it'd be cool if there was even 1 show on netflix or TV that was designed to have actual moderated debate among 2 intellectuals each week.

I don't

I guess I dont either the truth is I just like to shout at clouds and hope someone next to me agrees and if not I will scream at them.

[robayon]

Hmm.. it'd be cool if there was even 1 show on netflix or TV that was designed to have actual moderated debate among 2 intellectuals each week.



I guess I dont either the truth is I just like to shout at clouds and hope someone next to me agrees and if not I will scream at them.I would consider watching that hypothetical show, despite what I just said. Guess it depends on the guests and the topic.

[Reiwa]

Hmm.. it'd be cool if there was even 1 show on netflix or TV that was designed to have actual moderated debate among 2 intellectuals each week.



I guess I dont either the truth is I just like to shout at clouds and hope someone next to me agrees and if not I will scream at them.

they tried that after the war but marxists kept winning because it's an ideological cheat code our brains are bad brains

facts and logic :rolleyes:

[robayon]

Reiwa is trying to bait me

MODS!!!

[Ooloo]

Not that I am going to watch the video, so I guess it will just have to remain a mystery to me.

Brave of you.

Also Ana was actually very pro about that debate, it was pleasant to listen to. And afterward she even told her own audience to STFU because they were accusing her of "platforming" Shapiro and she was like: "Yo he has a bigger audience than I do, if anything he was platforming me and you don't see his audience going after him for it so fuck off." I was like booya, go Ana don't take any shit.

[robayon]

If we are measuring bravery in which youtube videos we watch or do not watch, I would like to reiterate the idea that the internet was a mistake

There's only so many hours in life, I won't waste any of them deliberately watching Ben Shapiro any more than you would, say, reading a large document detailing the vast amount of atrocities committed by capitalist regimes in comparison to the dubious claims made in the Black Book of Communism

I did watch that school shooter movie The Daily Wire picked up and distributed, it was alright. It was, uh, at a friend's house, yeah

[Ooloo]

No you dope it's just that you keep responding to things that you aren't watching. Which is dumb when the points you're raising are very often addressed in the things you're too busy to watch (but not too busy to post of course).

[robayon]

Like in the Matt Walsh video, right? I watched that one. Didn't even come close to addressing what I asked for, and then you got mad and moved on. Or the capitalist death toll document, which you asked for, and then didn't read.

So, yeah, get mad and call me names if you want, I am just picking up what you're putting down

[Jibartik]

I would like to reiterate the idea that the internet was a mistake

I would like to reiterate the idea that taking a bite of the apple and subsequently putting on clothes, was a mistake.

[robayon]

I would like to reiterate the idea that taking a bite of the apple and subsequently putting on clothes, was a mistake.Some creation stories say it was agriculture

Jib, have you ever read The Invisibles by Grant Morrison? iirc he has this concept within it called the "city-virus"

If you have not done so already, please do give it a read

[Jibartik]

I will!

I went on that rant a while back where said I think that you could rack up all the statistics, and prove that there is: more death, more sickness, more tragedy, in the system we have built of progress, medicine, and science, than there would be if we lived as animals eating fruit and veg and dancing and laughing.

To bad stupid god made 1 of the veg unravel the whole god damn thing... if he made it a friggen cute rabbit insated of an apple (which is the food she's supposed to eat in the first place) I bet that bitch wouldn't have took a bite of it.

[Jibartik]

Heres some democrat true agenda:

2019:

"Trump has built concentration camps the plight of the immigrants is like that of the jews in nazi Germany something must be done!"

https://i.imgur.com/fXzMEP8.png

2022

"biden is doing a great job, exactly what I elected him for, to not be trump, didnt expect anything more, everything that's happening now is totally OK, not a problem here, not a lame duck pres, everything is the way I like it"

Meanwhile:

https://i.imgur.com/UAPV33t.png

[unsunghero]

I would consider watching that hypothetical show, despite what I just said. Guess it depends on the guests and the topic.

My ma was on a debate team in college, I think she may have even been captain at one point

That’s how I got into it. We had a formal debate project in high school (none in college unfortunately, but I didn’t sign up for the team), and I went against a big nerd who was talking a lot of smack about how he was gonna win. Our topics and position (you have to be able to debate either side) were assigned without our say so. I was given anti-euthanasia. It is actually against my position (I am pro-euthanasia if the person has horrible medical quality of life only), yet I still won

Debate teams in college are incredibly competitive, national competitions and all that

[robayon]

I will!

I went on that rant a while back where said I think that you could rack up all the statistics, and prove that there is: more death, more sickness, more tragedy, in the system we have built of progress, medicine, and science, than there would be if we lived as animals eating fruit and veg and dancing and laughing.

To bad stupid god made 1 of the veg unravel the whole god damn thing... if he made it a friggen cute rabbit insated of an apple (which is the food she's supposed to eat in the first place) I bet that bitch wouldn't have took a bite of it.I agree with some of what you have said, and as much as criticize government I like human beings on the whole. However, I think the main reason is there's more death is that there are far more humans alive now than there have ever been... I guess as far as we can know.

I mean, imagine how many mothers would die in childbirth if it weren't for modern medicine. Or we revert to antibiotics just not working, which I have read is generally on the way due in part to overuse of antibiotics in mass meat farms or whatever they are called. Some of this stuff is perfectly preventable, it's just not profitable (enough) to prevent.

I like society. I would not do well as a primitivist, wouldn't live real long. I have made my own prison hooch though!

Also, another suggestion if you have not seen it: Beforeigners. I don't want to spoil in case you have not, but subjects we both talk about come up and it's well written.

ASr0n5LnWnU

[Jibartik]

I agree with some of what you have said, and as much as criticize government I like human beings on the whole. However, I think the main reason is there's more death is that there are far more humans alive now than there have ever been... I guess as far as we can know.

Religion is an interesting philosophical tool. It helps take the savage man and guides him to be civilized.

If religion is fake, and humans are evolutionary animals.

Then think about what religion actually is. It's the tool that savage animals used to become human.

Ironically, if science is right, religion is still the tool that made us who we are. That made humans the top of the food chain, and created every society we have on earth. All the good in the world, was brought to us by the aid of the philosophy of religion, and nothing else. That's a fact.

All the crime and tragedy is because of our instincts.

The desire to do good always comes out of the promise of something greater, that's a belief system.

The belief system that ruled them all was a message of piece and that the meek would inherit the earth.

It's the opposite of the animal in us.

But secularists have amde us think that survival of the fittest is how humans invent great things and become our own gods!

Religion is just a philosophy that individuals becoming a god is not what makes the many happy.

Also, another suggestion if you have not seen it: Beforeigners. I don't want to spoil in case you have not, but subjects we both talk about come up and it's well written.

ASr0n5LnWnU

I have not been able to get into this, but Ive wanted to for a while!! I'll give it another go.

[Jibartik]

Like maybe in simpler terms when I was a kid I thought man created religion to hurt man

but now I know man created it because man is good because evolution made us raised by love and so we want more love and religion is a way smart men thought about spreading love and then corrupt men killed those men and took over.

Religion good.

Man bad.

[Jibartik]

or maybe jesus just wanted to smoke weed and fuck bitches

[Jibartik]

anyway back to OP (although fuck bitches and smoke weed sounds like jrod was a demorat)

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[Evia]

The biggest issue with religion imho is the way it seems to be divided and has everyone wanting to argue over who's religion is the "right" one. I think that is caused by man more than the religion themselves though. Islam/Judism/Christianity/Buddhism ect all teach very similar stuff though in regards to being a positive and good person. I personally think that God knows we're all so vastly different that it would take a bunch of different religions/approaches to reach everyone in their own receptive way. Really goes to show how loved we really are. Even though we're pretty terrible to each other and don't really deserve it....

[Gravydoo II]

If any of it was any good, they wouldnt push it on kids. They would wait until they are old enough to understand what they are signing up for. If they even believed it at all.

A 3rd grader would laugh someone out of the house if they tried to tell them "a guy died for you like 2000 years ago and you owe him.. So you have to worship him and give 10% of your money to us. Oh and if you dont agree with us, you go to a pit of fire in another universe after you die. Oh and hes been watching you your entire life.." like what..

[Jibartik]

I get it that the playground is your biggest concern since that's where you feel at home but if anyone is pushing anything it's a MAN doing something the MAN thinks is what the religion wants.

Read the book, it's not about pushing it. Jesus asks people to follow him, and that's all he asks.

Man adding mans opinion into religion is the problem once again.

You could remove religion from society but we'd still have borders, and all the other racist biggoted views we hold about literally everything anyone does.

Most religions are basically cultre and that's why people kill each other, not because of the religion. Cus they dont like people from the next town over.

[Trexller]

If any of it was any good, they wouldnt push it on kids. They would wait until they are old enough to understand what they are signing up for. If they even believed it at all.

A 3rd grader would laugh someone out of the house if they tried to tell them "a guy died for you like 2000 years ago and you owe him.. So you have to worship him and give 10% of your money to us. Oh and if you dont agree with us, you go to a pit of fire in another universe after you die. Oh and hes been watching you your entire life.." like what..

and he planned out every moment of your life before you were born, but yet somehow you have the agency to choose to serve god all on your own.

back in the day for any offense god didn't like, he required a blood sacrifice, but then one day he's like, "nahh im done with blood, but here kill my son in one of the most horrific ways, and we're all good. my son will suffer so you don't have to."

[Patriam1066]

and he planned out every moment of your life before you were born, but yet somehow you have the agency to choose to serve god all on your own.

back in the day for any offense god didn't like, he required a blood sacrifice, but then one day he's like, "nahh im done with blood, but here kill my son in one of the most horrific ways, and we're all good. my son will suffer so you don't have to."

Shame you don’t apply that same skepticism to trump, who is obese

[Jibartik]

trump, who is obese

al-Dajjāl

[Trexller]

Shame you don’t apply that same skepticism to trump, who is obese

uh trump isn't the christian god... he's just a man, a flawed, self-deluded man, who will perish if the spotlight is turned off

people think he lives on mcdonalds and diet coke... no... he obtains sustenance from trying to make people think he's great.

Make America Great Again, sounds too much like slogans facist regimes have used in the past, and in his mind, it means: Make Me Great Again, or for once.

[Jibartik]

The Dajjāl, will be destroyed by Christ and is described as a plump, one-eyed man with a ruddy face and curling hair.

Maybe trump will get eye cancer or something that'd be sick.

[starkind]

I always tell ppl to have a great day! Now. When I say goodbye. In that cheerleader, yaY! voice 2!

[Gravydoo II]

Check out this agenda.

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-judge-under-fire-citing-poor-grades-reason-deny-17-year-old-abortion-1672920

[Reiwa]

Check out this agenda.

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-judge-under-fire-citing-poor-grades-reason-deny-17-year-old-abortion-1672920

https://i.imgur.com/3n5pdoE.jpg

he looka like a mormon :p

[unsunghero]

Check out this agenda.

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-judge-under-fire-citing-poor-grades-reason-deny-17-year-old-abortion-1672920

I dunno about abortions, but emancipation is almost impossible legally anyway. Back when I was a kid I think it was easier to be emancipated. I think back then you just needed to prove you had a full time job. Nowadays you need to be able to demonstrate to a court that you have a stable full time job and enough income to be able to pay rent and cover all your basic needs, budget-wise. I hear a lot of teens have a pipe dream of being emancipated from their parents but I’ve yet to hear anyone doing it in the last decade

Edit: the reason I mention it is that it appears the judicial bypass is because the parents aren’t signing off on the abortion. Minors are not able to schedule surgeries for selves without parental consent, but with parental consent I believe they can get like boob jobs or other cosmetic surgeries even being under 18. If a teen wanted something like a boob job and her parents wouldn’t sign consent then she would have to wait until 18+. That’s why I mentioned the emancipation thing, which is to become your own legal guardian. For the abortion the “wait until you’re 18” part doesn’t work obviously since that has a bit of a time limit

Second edit: basically what I’m guessing is going on in that article is the parents want the kid. The teen is clearly going to lose custody on birth due to not being able to financially provide for the baby, and CPS will do a kinship placement with the teen’s parents. The parents are aware of this, and want to take care of that baby. That is the most likely scenario. CPS will always look at a kinship placement as priority when taking custody

[Toxigen]

Abortion is one of the few things I vehemently disagree with conservatives on.

We got plenty of unwanted kids as is. As this point, population control is going to be a necessary thing as natural resources become increasingly scarce.

Now, I'm not saying terminations at 6, 7, 8 months is OK...but if its early on and the mother / family is incapable (mentally, financially, whatever)...why burden the system even further?

Its just repubs catering to the devout religious idiots, I know...but one would think at this point there could be more votes gained than lost by softening the stance on abortion these days. There are a lot more moderate women than hardcore Christians.

[starkind]

Ya.
I would love a more moderate and fiscally/regulatory conservative party.

[Reiwa]

As this point, population control is going to be a necessary thing as natural resources become increasingly scarce.

https://i.imgur.com/vvmAEuz.png

[unsunghero]

Abortion is one of the few things I vehemently disagree with conservatives on.

We got plenty of unwanted kids as is. As this point, population control is going to be a necessary thing as natural resources become increasingly scarce.

Now, I'm not saying terminations at 6, 7, 8 months is OK...but if its early on and the mother / family is incapable (mentally, financially, whatever)...why burden the system even further?

Its just repubs catering to the devout religious idiots, I know...but one would think at this point there could be more votes gained than lost by softening the stance on abortion these days. There are a lot more moderate women than hardcore Christians.

In terms of seeing abortions as population control, it results in:

Much less poor people

Moderately less middle class

A bit less rich people

(If we are talking about who are the highest utilizers of abortions)

[unsunghero]

^

Which I think is a good indicator of how trying for equity of outcome just doesn’t work. Because if we wanted equity of outcome on anything, you think it would be on the thing that results in less humans existing

[robayon]

In terms of seeing abortions as population control, it results in:

Much less poor people

Moderately less middle class

A bit less rich people

(If we are talking about who are the highest utilizers of abortions)Isn't this just eugenics by another name?

I think the stratification you are indicating here kind of suggests at the real problem. Addressing economic issues that the poor and "middle class" struggle with might also reduce the total number of abortions... since you mentioned equity of outcome

[Ooloo]

I love how I always end up arguing against abortion as if I'm a hardcore prolife christian, but I do support 1st trimester abortions and all the usual fringe exceptions like rape\incest.

Also I think it's important to remember just because a lower middle and upper class exist, doesn't mean that there's no mobility between them. I mean sure, some people get stuck in a cycle and need help, but *lots* of people start out poor and end up middle class or rich in america. I think that will always be the case, but certainly instances of corruption or discrimination keeping anyone in a state of poverty should be addressed. Class stratification is just a natural byproduct of a meritocracy (with safety nets), which is kind of the best system we've got despite the flaws.

[unsunghero]

Isn't this just eugenics by another name?

I think the stratification you are indicating here kind of suggests at the real problem. Addressing economic issues that the poor and "middle class" struggle with might also reduce the total number of abortions... since you mentioned equity of outcome

Ya, population control I think always ends up having a eugenics element. Gets even uglier when we start looking at which class AND race gets the most abortions done

For sure changing the numbers of poor would result in less abortions of the poor. But there will probably always still be some poor, and those will probably always have the highest utilization rate (as % of population) of abortions

And until we change the numbers, and even after we change the numbers, it still has a eugenics kinda element to it, whether intended or not

Edit: This is why I don’t think we’ll see many Dem politicians phrasing abortions as population control. Because a follow up question of “which class and race population is being most controlled then?” is not a question they would want to go on record answering

[Jibartik]

Abortion is one of the few things I vehemently disagree with conservatives on.

We got plenty of unwanted kids as is. As this point, population control is going to be a necessary thing as natural resources become increasingly scarce.

Now, I'm not saying terminations at 6, 7, 8 months is OK...but if its early on and the mother / family is incapable (mentally, financially, whatever)...why burden the system even further?

Its just repubs catering to the devout religious idiots, I know...but one would think at this point there could be more votes gained than lost by softening the stance on abortion these days. There are a lot more moderate women than hardcore Christians.

wrong.

you've been brainwashed into thinking murder is a choice that defines freedom.

what we're building in the lab is a way to genetically remove YOU from the gene pool and we start by getting rid of the poor babies.

Im sorry you've been brainwashed by libtards to think that going to jail for shooting your neighbor in the face with a shotgun because you feel like it is taking away your freedom

[Gravydoo II]

wrong.

you've been brainwashed into thinking murder is a choice that defines freedom.

what we're building in the lab is a way to genetically remove YOU from the gene pool and we start by getting rid of the poor babies.

Im sorry you've been brainwashed by libtards to think that going to jail for shooting your neighbor in the face with a shotgun because you feel like it is taking away your freedom

No. You're allowed to decide you dont want a booger in your nose. When the "baby" is the same constistancy and size of a booger, thats not a fucking baby. How come you dont have kids Jib since you're so passionate about lib brainwashing??

How come you havent adopted??

Because you dont believe your own bullshit. Go adopt a fucking kid then come talk to us about abortions.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

No. You're allowed to decide you dont want a booger in your nose. When the "baby" is the same constistancy and size of a booger, thats not a fucking baby. How come you dont have kids Jib since you're so passionate about lib brainwashing??

How come you havent adopted??

Because you dont believe your own bullshit. Go adopt a fucking kid then come talk to us about abortions.

This is exactly the same argument Nazis made about Jews. "They aren't people, so it's OK!". Pretty chilling to see this in 2022.

[Ooloo]

Gravy still ignoring that many prominent dems support allowing abortion up to and including the delivery date, at which point the baby is clearly a human, not a booger.

The dems accuse the right of "life at conception" being a magic trick. Meanwhile they have their own magic trick, which is "life begins when you exit a vagina". Like, okay, what about when you're half way out? Are you half alive?

[Jibartik]

The guy obviously hasn't read my 12 thousand posts and is clearly off his rocker.

Gravy, you really chose schitsophrania over friends I want you to know that bud. Seek help before you're too far gone to get any.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Gravy still ignoring that many prominent dems support allowing abortion up to and including the delivery date, at which point the baby is clearly a human, not a booger.

The dems accuse the right of "life at conception" being a magic trick. Meanwhile they have their own magic trick, which is "life begins when you exit a vagina". Like, okay, what about when you're half way out? Are you half alive?

Yup. Some democrats support "post birth abortion", which is murder last time I checked.

It is pretty sad to see Gravy compare a potential human life to a booger. His distain for human life is pretty clear here.

While I am not generally for abortion, best case scenario for abortion law is outlawing abortions around the time of minimal viability, and giving the law flexibility to update as science improves. Right now I believe minimal viability is 24 weeks, so the law should make abortion illegal around the 20 week mark in my estimation, with the ability to change that to an earlier week period when medical breakthroughs occur.

[Horza]

lol post-birth abortion, you Trumptards are the most gullible morons I've ever seen.

[Trexller]

lol post-birth abortion, you Trumptards are the most gullible morons I've ever seen.

Gov. Ralph Northam said that a baby born alive could be “kept comfortable” and then “resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired” – the implication being that the baby could be left to die if the family decided they did not want to keep their child.

“In this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” Northam said. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

He also emphasized that the decision to allow babies to die should be left to “the mothers and their providers.”

https://cnsnews.com/news/article/emily-ward/virginia-governor-describes-how-post-birth-abortion-would-proceed

Horza, Bro, you make this too easy.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

lol post-birth abortion, you Trumptards are the most gullible morons I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTopSKo1xs&t

You can try to wiggle your way around his comments all you want, but Governor Northam was entertaining the idea of post-birth abortion here, on live radio. While he attempted to veil his argument around "deformed or non-viable fetuses", it is opening the door to post-birth abortion discussions. Remember, abortion used to be called "Safe, legal, and rare". Historically speaking it isn't difficult to see how abortion has progressed since then.

You don't need to be a "Trumptard" or "Fox Viewer" to listen to this video and raise an eyebrow. Unless you have the same distain for human life as Gravy I guess. This is a Governor of the United States talking, not some crackpot small time politician in a no-name town.

[Horza]

Got a source that isn't a fringe conspiracy site with headlines like "The State Has Created The Church of Evolution With Darwin As The High Priest?" (https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/creationist-ken-ham-state-has-created-church-evolution-darwin-high-priest)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Got a source that isn't a fringe conspiracy site with headlines like "The State Has Created The Church of Evolution With Darwin As The High Priest?" (https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/creationist-ken-ham-state-has-created-church-evolution-darwin-high-priest)

How about directly from the horses mouth? An acting Democratic Governor of the United States at the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTopSKo1xs&t


You can try to wiggle your way around his comments all you want, but Governor Northam was entertaining the idea of post-birth abortion here, on live radio. While he attempted to veil his argument around "deformed or non-viable fetuses", it is opening the door to post-birth abortion discussions. Remember, abortion used to be called "Safe, legal, and rare". Historically speaking it isn't difficult to see how abortion has progressed since then.

You don't need to be a "Trumptard" or "Fox Viewer" to listen to this video and raise an eyebrow. Unless you have the same distain for human life as Gravy I guess. This is a Governor of the United States talking, not some crackpot small time politician in a no-name town.

[Trexller]

Got a source that isn't a fringe conspiracy site with headlines like "The State Has Created The Church of Evolution With Darwin As The High Priest?" (https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/creationist-ken-ham-state-has-created-church-evolution-darwin-high-priest)

Yeah how about the actual words spoken by the man?

see Deathsilk's above post

man you suck at this, you're just, really bad at this game Horza

People like you and gravy make me miss sparring with ImperiousKitten et al.

[Horza]

You said it yourself, his argument was about "deformed or non-viable fetuses."

[Gravydoo II]

You mean not prosecuting a woman for having a still born baby..?

Dohhh

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You said it yourself, his argument was about "deformed or non-viable fetuses."

Yes, and so was the initial argument for abortion in general. Remember "Rare, safe, and legal"? Last time I checked, that isn't the standard for abortion in 2022. That is why I said "it is opening the door".

Of course they aren't going to go directly to post-abortion in all circumstances, that isn't how the game is played. You start with the rare case, and expand from there, as abortion has done.

If you have read recent history you would understand why this is a valid concern. This is a pretty common political tactic.

[Horza]

What other secret messages was he hiding in his speech, maybe something menacing about the Freemasons?

[Jibartik]

What other secret messages was he hiding in his speech, maybe something menacing about the Freemasons?

maybe it had something to do with a coded message to trump from the kremlin???

[DeathsSilkyMist]

What other secret messages was he hiding in his speech, maybe something menacing about the Freemasons?

He wasn't hiding it, you can listen to the video yourself. He is quite clear on what he wants.

Now that you know prominent Democrats are indeed entertaining the idea of post-birth abortions in some cases, it is not some silly "Trumptard" straw-man. It is a real, tangible issue straight from a Democratic Governor's mouth.

Now it simply becomes a question of whether or not you approve of such a policy. Personally I think it is still murder to kill someone who is deformed or handicapped. I am not sure why you think it is ok to kill a new born baby with these issues, but not a person who is older than that. Or do you approve of euthanizing the deformed and handicapped?

[Gravydoo II]

LOL so, its coming. Like everything else! Its coming! They are gonna! They are bout to! Just you wait til the audits are done they are gonna find so much fraud!

The communists are going to take over america if biden wins..

Obama is coming for your guns! He's gonna take em!

So.. hes gonna make it legal, but not quite yet.. its not quite time to strike.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

LOL so, its coming. Like everything else! Its coming! They are gonna! They are bout to! Just you wait til the audits are done they are gonna find so much fraud!

The communists are going to take over america if biden wins..

Obama is coming for your guns! He's gonna take em!

So.. hes gonna make it legal, but not quite yet.. its not quite time to strike.

You do know how politics works, right? In America, you build support for an idea first, and if enough people agree with you, it gets passed into law. It isn't like this stuff happens spontaneously.

When a Governor of a state openly discusses a topic, that is a calcuated move to guage support for an issue. There are plenty of proposed issues that haven't passed in history. Just because it didn't pass doesn't mean it couldn't have passed.

[Gravydoo II]

I dont think this guy knows you can have the DNA of the fertilized egg tested like 60 days into the deal.

Pretty easy to tell if something is missing by then. Missing a chromosome or one too many?

Yep, you're allowed to abort. Its in the constitution, its the 14th one. Its really none of your business. You'd rather saddle that family with a child they cant afford. Awesome.

Its all about punishing women with you guys, isnt it? They need to face the consequences for daring to have sex for fun! How fucking dare they decide "you know what? I dont want to spend 20 years raising a child who is bedridden, cant speak, paralyzed, breathes through a tube, etc.".

You ever seen what happens to those parents? A good percentage of parents with handicapped children commit suicide because its all just too much.

My question to you is how many of those handicapped kids have you adopted??? Since you care, SOOOOO much. How many?

Gonna bet its zero. If its not zero, you're the fucking MAN.

[Trexller]

You do know how politics works, right? In America, you build support for an idea first, and if enough people agree with you, it gets passed into law. It isn't like this stuff happens spontaneously.

When a Governor of a state openly discusses a topic, that is a calcuated move to guage support for an issue. There are plenty of proposed issues that haven't passed in history. Just because it didn't pass doesn't mean it couldn't have passed.

Can take that further, if you wanna do ANYTHING, you have to mention it first. You can't get anyone on your side if no one knows what you wanna do.

Example: You're hanging out with a group of friends, topic of dinner comes around, Some of them wanna go to the steakhouse, others wanna hit the italian joint. One might say to the folks who want italian that the steakhouse makes an excellent veal marsala, trying to sway them toward the restaurant they would prefer.

You speak up to gauge and measure support on an issue, if nobody likes it then you do something else. Politics is no different.

I know its a stretch to ask horza or gravy to understand a concept like, "group of friends" but most of you get it.

I'll go further with mask mandates: This is entirely an attempt in measuring compliance among the population. First you say, OK EVERYONE HAS TO DO JUST THIS ONE THING" Then, if it seems like people go along with it, you go on to your next agenda item.

There is a military ground strategy called "salami slicing", where you move like 1 foot a week, eventually you gain substantial ground and your enemy didn't even notice.

[Horza]

I hear Democrats eat the babies too after they finish harvesting their adrenochrome.

[Trexller]

I hear Democrats eat the babies too after they finish harvesting their adrenochrome.

It's just recycling, they are environmentally conscious

[robayon]

You are forgetting a crucial political step

You and your friends come to consensus on what restaurant to go to

But then a league of restaurant owners has hired mercenaries to interfere in you getting to the restaurant you had previously agreed on

You evade the mercenaries, so the restaurant owners say forget it and burn down their own restaurant, then collect on the insurance payment and you and your friends go hungry, unable to take collective action again on that level so you all just go to Waffle House

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Neither Horza nor Gravy has attempted to rebut my point about post-birth abortions, so it looks like they at least admit it is a real thing now, and not just a "Trumptard" straw-man. Progress of a kind.

Not going to comment on Horza's baby eating comment. Obviously nonsensical.

As for Gravy's comment about "punishing women", that is not the purpose at all. The purpose is to not unfairly punish the child, who had no say in it's conception, or it's genetics. It has a right to live just as much as you do.

If you are genuinely concerned about the rare case of an extremely ill child being a drain on the family taking care of it, the solution is to create programs to help those families, not to create policies that murder the child.

That is why we don't have policies in the United States that call for murdering people when it is convenient. That certainly is a valid solution to a number of problems, but we are not living in that kind of society.

Finally, you are grossly misreading the 14th amendment. The unborn child also has the right of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law. If you are referring to the Roe v. Wade due process clause, that is not a great place to go. Not only is that an extremely new addition, which means it hasn't fully solidified in terms of whether we want it or not, but we are actively discussing overturning it. Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg was highly critical of Roe v. Wade's implementation.

[Horza]

Neither Horza nor Gravy has attempted to rebut my point about post-birth abortions, so it looks like they at least admit it is a real thing now, and not just a "Trumptard" straw-man. Progress of a kind.

Not going to comment on Horza's baby eating comment. Obviously nonsensical.

Buddy, your Democrats are murdering healthy babies if you just know how to listen to their secret code argument is obviously made up nonsense.

[Ooloo]

Horza and gravy have nothing as usual? Oh my goodness!

Dems don't support post-birth abortion!

Uh this one does.

It's a conspiracy! Horse paste, morons, etc..

Another stimulating horza post

[Jibartik]

The communists are going to take over america if biden wins..

https://i.imgur.com/UNinI2g.png

https://i.imgur.com/BRHBOV7.png

[Trexller]

You are forgetting a crucial political step

You and your friends come to consensus on what restaurant to go to

But then a league of restaurant owners has hired mercenaries to interfere in you getting to the restaurant you had previously agreed on

You evade the mercenaries, so the restaurant owners say forget it and burn down their own restaurant, then collect on the insurance payment and you and your friends go hungry, unable to take collective action again on that level so you all just go to Waffle House

yeah that happens to me too

F wafflehouse but they are always open

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Buddy, your Democrats are murdering healthy babies if you just know how to listen to their secret code argument is obviously made up nonsense.

I didn't make that argument at all. I agree your made up strawman is nonsense. Now, back to the discussion at hand?

What evidence do you have to show the Governor was not suggesting post-birth abortions in some cases?

[Horza]

Dems don't support post-birth abortion!

Uh this one does.

This Is Sparta meme but with a bunch of Democratic politicians and lib medical professionals?

[Jibartik]

Democrats spent a year saying the reason prices were high was because of the supply chain and port break downs. But in that year they did literally jack shit to fix the supply chain or port issues, and now we've had the worst inflation in 30 years and nobody knows why, or is doing jack shit to stop it.

There may not be a conspiracy to start the end of days but it feels like the people in charge right now are literally trying to start the end of days.

[robayon]

yeah that happens to me too

F wafflehouse but they are always openI love Waffle House but I can't do it so much anymore... getting a bit long in the tooth to stay out until 4am partying I guess. I went to a Waffle House once stone cold sober and it was surreal

[Toxigen]

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/covid-19-the-great-reset/

You will own nothing and you will be happy, goyim!

[Horza]

goyim!

https://i.imgur.com/F0j25ZR.gif