Starting a Cleric

[diabolica1]

Never had a cleric before, so what is the best God/Race combo to choose. I am thinking gnome as they get gnome vision and tinkered stuff plus the necklace effects for either god look good. Dark elf has the snare necklace, and a human cleric of Inni can do the paineel armor quests and get the snare necklace. Anyone advise?

[Crede]

Best is probably halfling for hide/sneak. But I’d give 2nd to human inny with the snare neck and deadeye helm.

[Philistine]

I agree with your line of thinking insofar as you're looking for a race/diety that gets something normal gear can't. Halfling, dark elf, gnome seem like the best IMHO! That said,my cleric is level 12, so probably not an authoritative opinion :p

I went halfling personally.

[Jimjam]

I went halfling but rerolled to dark elf. I think I even deleted the halfling about halfway through the levels.

[Philistine]

I went halfling but rerolled to dark elf. I think I even deleted the halfling about halfway through the levels.

How come?

[Jimjam]

Church of Mischief just doesn’t vibe for me.

OT faction, liked in evil cities, tolerated in most good areas.

Robes.

Skull helm.

Can illusion to halfling for short periods.

Snare was handy for fear kiting / nuke spamming spectres.

[DMN]

what the hell is a skull helm? oh you mean the plate DE graphic?

anyway, gnomes can have a bit of extra twink fun with the self haste but stats are almost comprhensively trash for cleric long term.

halfers best to rush for a rez bot. occassionaly hide/sneak can be useful

human has the most complete combo of tool kit/stats. imo best cleric race but not a must play.

would strongly consider picking whichever race you like best out of the races that can use the snare clicky if the character isnt going to be a rez bot or raid only/primary cleric. put all your points in cha, too if thats the case.

[Philistine]

Church of Mischief just doesn’t vibe for me.

OT faction, liked in evil cities, tolerated in most good areas.

Robes.

Skull helm.

Can illusion to halfling for short periods.

Snare was handy for fear kiting / nuke spamming spectres.

Gotcha. Thanks!

[Lampolo]

I think the high cha/wis of the high elf might be underrated. I rolled dwarf cleric on blue. Was really butthurt about the whole op sneak of halflings with the skipping stone. That's all nerfed now so it's still up in the air for me as to which race is the best. Min max for raids is retarded. Can zerg in the nude. Min maxing for duo/trio seems more reasonable. Cha is very important for nonvegatable cleric. I think highelf might be best choice unless you really into using that snare for something

Are there any clerics that do cool stuff like big solo/duo/trio/group kills or what ever is difficult and lucrative these days outside of raiding? Can you chime in on what's best race for this type of cleric?

[Sizar]

DE hands down cause of Ultravision, Hide, Snare neck and best Fashion Quest.

[Philistine]

I think the high cha/wis of the high elf might be underrated. I rolled dwarf cleric on blue. Was really butthurt about the whole op sneak of halflings with the skipping stone. That's all nerfed now so it's still up in the air for me as to which race is the best. Min max for raids is retarded. Can zerg in the nude. Min maxing for duo/trio seems more reasonable. Cha is very important for nonvegatable cleric. I think highelf might be best choice unless you really into using that snare for something

Are there any clerics that do cool stuff like big solo/duo/trio/group kills or what ever is difficult and lucrative these days outside of raiding? Can you chime in on what's best race for this type of cleric?

You make a great point. I'm working on mine to eventually just be part of a CH chain, but I may pay the price for that low CHA if I end up wanting to do other stuff with him and trying to Paci.

[Twochain]

Any Cleric who can eventually wear robes = bis fashion quest = bis

[Ashintar]

I'm not sure why DE Inny cleric didn't end this thread?

[DMN]

I'm not sure why DE Inny cleric didn't end this thread?

Cause its neither the best solo/grouping nor best raiding race, which immediately removes it from contention given the OPs request.

[Toxigen]

Honestly its gnome by a country mile.

Being able to see through walls is god tier.

[Tunabros]

human! or dark elf!

halfling or dwarf cleric is cringe af

[Tunabros]

Any Cleric who can eventually wear robes = bis fashion quest = bis

+1

[enjchanter]

I think the snare neck is over hyped.

Go high elf, fulll send your starting points into cha/sta
Lull and root stuff

[Toxigen]

I think the snare neck is over hyped.

Go high elf, fulll send your starting points into cha/sta
Lull and root stuff

Definitely the best, especially if you're not going to have an enchanter around.

I did full send CHA on my paladin and have no regrets.

[Ashintar]

Cause its neither the best solo/grouping nor best raiding race, which immediately removes it from contention given the OPs request.

You keep telling yourself that princess

[Solist]

Honestly its gnome by a country mile.

Being able to see through walls is god tier.

This

[DMN]

You keep telling yourself that princess

wow, princess. ouch.


sick burn from team blue balls.

[getsome]

If you are gonna sit on your ass and med and heal while grouped it don’t matter much, I would pick DE so you can look fashionable and hide during afks, dwarf so you can carry all your spoils without encumbrances, human to have shitty vision and ghetto clarity while leveling or gnome to sit in a wall looking at people making plays rather than doing them yourself because with gear and empty bags you need to spam yaulp just to move.

If you want to play a class beyond the normal expectations then halfling is the best choice. Sneak may not be used every day, but having that tool available gives you the ability no other cleric has. You can see thru walls with some sit stand and camera manipulation. We start off in the coolest city and our Mayor is fun to drink with.

I have a 52 DE cleric and can’t remember last time I clicked the snare neck.

My 60 cleric used sneak yesterday to pull someone’s corpse to safety.

[oldschoolguy]

Dwarf. Best cultural armor set till velious by a lot. Can RP drunk. Best stats.

[Dulian]

If you are gonna sit on your ass and med and heal while grouped it don’t matter much, I would pick DE so you can look fashionable and hide during afks, dwarf so you can carry all your spoils without encumbrances, human to have shitty vision and ghetto clarity while leveling or gnome to sit in a wall looking at people making plays rather than doing them yourself because with gear and empty bags you need to spam yaulp just to move.

If you want to play a class beyond the normal expectations then halfling is the best choice. Sneak may not be used every day, but having that tool available gives you the ability no other cleric has. You can see thru walls with some sit stand and camera manipulation. We start off in the coolest city and our Mayor is fun to drink with.

I have a 52 DE cleric and can’t remember last time I clicked the snare neck.

My 60 cleric used sneak yesterday to pull someone’s corpse to safety.

For halflings, I think you’re overlooking just how low their starting charisma is. With my 60 human cleric, and a few more +cha items, I can lull groups (or myself) deep into dungeons. With lower charisma you have a lot more critical resists.

Also, for humans, you can quest the Paineel helm (if Innoruk) and fix any night vision problems. And I actually use my snare neck routinely in crowded dungeons when we don’t want the mobs to aggro others when running away.

And what is this ghetto mama regen you speak of?

[getsome]

For halflings, I think you’re overlooking just how low their starting charisma is.

And what is this ghetto mama regen you speak of?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Terror_Forged_Mask

Looks like it was nerfed. I remember playing my friends cleric who had one on blue and it was pretty baller.

Never had an issue with resists on pacify line while leveling. Calmed my way to efreeti camp every day. Granted this was 2010 on blue. I did carry a stein when selling or buying from vendors.

By the time I was 60 with everyday gear. Cha is a non issue.

[Gustoo]

It depends what you want to do. Min Max in Velious era, high elf wins for the charisma for lulls.

Min Max in the original pre kunark era, probably human with innoruk for the couple of clickies and decent charisma for lulls

Gnome for wall vision and tinkering

Halfling for good all around, plus sneak and hide abilities

Dwarf good stats but not enough racial benefits

I can't decide if halfling trash charisma is really as bad as it seems. As a halfling, I didn't need to use lull that much, but at the same time I didn't really spend a lot of time thinking about exploiting lull to the max, and nowadays I might.

[DMN]

High elves only have 5 more charisma than humans... something like +20 more wisdom as well, but of course with way lower str/sta. they might be theoretically be the best min max race for raids if you wanna chase down all the +mana items at end game. the extra 100 mana you end up with ain't gonna save you from a raid wipe.

[Gustoo]

High elf is a pick if you do a charisma dump, and the 5 extra matters to you and the higher base wisdom also matters.

You could also do a min/max build on a halfling and run with 80 base charisma and gimp base wisdom knowing that the wisdom will max itself out later in life.

There is an argument that using critical lull resists to pull is an elite strategy that the halfing is ideally suited for.

[DMN]

High elf is a pick if you do a charisma dump, and the 5 extra matters to you and the higher base wisdom also matters.


it's certaily not even remotely worth giving up infinite free snare and infiinite free fear.


There is an argument that using critical lull resists to pull is an elite strategy that the halfing is ideally suited for.

it's a pretty silly argument given how fast lull is to cast and how cheap the mana cost is. you are going to get plenty of crit lulls with just your base cha regardless of race. and of course lull pulling is such an incredibly rare thing to be doing in the first place. This is virtually a meme at this point.

[RobotGraveyard]

DE hands down cause of Ultravision, Hide, Snare neck and best Fashion Quest.

Best Fashion quest? My Erudite Cleric worshipping CT would like to have a word with you. Imbued Steelsilk for Cazic is so nice looking!

[ReoDobbs]

it's a pretty silly argument given how fast lull is to cast and how cheap the mana cost is. you are going to get plenty of crit lulls with just your base cha regardless of race. and of course lull pulling is such an incredibly rare thing to be doing in the first place. This is virtually a meme at this point.

So your saying Charisma is useless, regardless? You can't have it both ways.

Halfling it is.

[Crede]

Best Fashion quest? My Erudite Cleric worshipping CT would like to have a word with you. Imbued Steelsilk for Cazic is so nice looking!

Did that on my pally, once you start actually putting velious plate on them, they look like shit imo.

[RobotGraveyard]

Did that on my pally, once you start actually putting velious plate on them, they look like shit imo.

I bet! I have never seen it non-Luclin models (mained the same combo on live) and I’m realizing it’s because there are so few erudite pal/SK/clr in end game here! I’m gonna be one and strut my velious armor all over town, til then it’s black and red plate for me!

[Dulian]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Terror_Forged_Mask

Looks like it was nerfed. I remember playing my friends cleric who had one on blue and it was pretty baller.

Never had an issue with resists on pacify line while leveling. Calmed my way to efreeti camp every day. Granted this was 2010 on blue. I did carry a stein when selling or buying from vendors.

By the time I was 60 with everyday gear. Cha is a non issue.

I actually lulled a group to Efreeti a month ago or so with my 60 cleric with 150 charisma. Had two critical resists — one going and one leaving. So to me, charisma is pretty important. We’ve obviously had different experiences, but the higher charisma the better to me.

[Master Roshi]

DE hands down cause of Ultravision, Hide, Snare neck and best Fashion Quest.

^This

UV on P99 is super valuable too, esp during a corpse run.

[DMN]

So your saying Charisma is useless, regardless? You can't have it both ways.

Halfling it is.

Never said cha was useless. But thanks for playing.

[unleashedd]

ERU vs HUM? both blind

is Innoruuk the only upside for HUM?

[Jimjam]

High elf paladin lulled us up to frenzied in Velks TWICE this morning.


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[Jimjam]

Erud don’t have eyepatch.

[Ghost of Starman]

ERU vs HUM? both blind

is Innoruuk the only upside for HUM?

Human gets unlimited clicky snare, unlimited clicky fear, unlimited instant cast clicky infravision, and the second best charisma and good starting stamina and strength, The only thing they're missing really is sneak and hide.

[Crede]

Human gets unlimited clicky snare, unlimited clicky fear, unlimited instant cast clicky infravision, and the second best charisma and good starting stamina and strength, The only thing they're missing really is sneak and hide.

Deadeye also gives see invis, not just infravision.

[starkind]

Dark elf.

Everything in cha. + u get hide. Just pretend your a good girl. 🤠🍷

[oldschoolguy]

Human gets unlimited clicky snare, unlimited clicky fear, unlimited instant cast clicky infravision, and the second best charisma and good starting stamina and strength, The only thing they're missing really is sneak and hide.

what do clerics need charisma for?

[Jimjam]

Lull and buying hundreds of peridots.

Does atone (commonly coupled with lulls) also have a cha check?

[starkind]

what do clerics need charisma for?

Everything. Especially looking cool and getting lots of msgs from randos.