@Galach/Menden

[SantagarBrax]

@Galach/Menden

Let's have a discussion and brainstorm a better way forward than a "roll off" that addresses any concerns with scripting/cheating while minimizing the impact towards the player base interacting with each other in an MMO? If we fail to come to some sort of compromise, at least we can say we tried.

[tycohunden]

No holds barred PVP in all raid zones. I can't for my life see the down side to this...

[Ripqozko]

Rolling is a compromise, I love it, sorry you dont.

[Tunabros]

I love games of chance

[Ennewi]

the player base interacting with each other

https://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54

[cd288]

Oh look a vanquish member is upset that they can’t cheat anymore. Shocking

[Ooloo]

People who are cheating generally don't complain that they can't cheat anymore. Whereas people who lose are clearly tempted to complain of cheating to explain their failures

[Croco]

People who are cheating generally don't complain that they can't cheat anymore. Whereas people who lose are clearly tempted to complain of cheating to explain their failures

https://media.giphy.com/media/Su0aljmbFVghW/giphy.gif

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/SPTJayC.jpg

[cd288]

People who are cheating generally don't complain that they can't cheat anymore. Whereas people who lose are clearly tempted to complain of cheating to explain their failures

Yeah except for the fact it was proven that vanquish was cheating lol

[Twochain]

A reminder to all that this is NOT an RnF thread.

At least it's not intended to be.

I personally believe a standard countdown is most fair. Of the top 5 best racers from the last 2 years.... one of them plays from Asia. And another from Europe. I think it's pretty much agreed that a 300 ping puts you at more of a disadvantage than having an average or lower reaction time.

I don't think more quakes is a bad thing for the server. In fact a weekly quake may be a great thing for it. It's nice to see.

I also believe that it would be possible to start the race in a way that it would take more time/ be more risky to edit parameters vs just paying attention to start running. What if we all joined a discord and an admin just said GO randomly once ready?

[Twochain]

Disable variance. Make the start times between 3-9pm EST. Everyone joins the discord channel once ready. Define racers, ready up, admin calls go whenever they see fit.

[Samoht]

Disable variance.

Are you asking for a guild remove?

[Croco]

Disable variance. Make the start times between 3-9pm EST. Everyone joins the discord channel once ready. Define racers, ready up, admin calls go whenever they see fit.

"Racing" isn't classic. Hope this helps.

[Twochain]

"Racing" isn't classic. Hope this helps.

Racing is classic

DPS race

[Ripqozko]

Rolltation 2022

[Bardp1999]

DPS race would be kinda fun - group your guilds top 6 DPS champions vs the other guilds - not sure how its any worse than racing

6 wizards vs 6 rogues... My money is on the Wizards

[Ripqozko]

DPS race would be kinda fun - group your guilds top 6 DPS champions vs the other guilds - not sure how its any worse than racing

6 wizards vs 6 rogues... My money is on the Wizards

Already done on kozz first few spawns, wizards with conflag wands won.

[SantagarBrax]

Oh look a vanquish member is upset that they can’t cheat anymore. Shocking

I don't cheat, condone cheating, and I don't represent any guild... just a passionate player.

[SantagarBrax]

^ Unchainedfury

[Worry]

It's actual insanity that the community can't solve anything by themselves.

Bottom of the barrel personalities and people.

[Lammy]

Maybe all raid targets should just be done via random earthquakes. No more timers.

[Lammy]

It's actual insanity that the community can't solve anything by themselves.

Bottom of the barrel personalities and people.

Most of the thrill for top guilds is the dominance aspect. It's not about having a fun raid encounter, or else they would truly try to challenge themselves in lower numbers.

[Chortles Snortles]

double post & edit seethe
(lol)

[Chloroform]

instead of more rules who ever win's FTE has to sit out the next race. so if the winner is suspected of cheating they arent apart of the next spawns equation.

[Ripqozko]

instead of more rules who ever win's FTE has to sit out the next race. so if the winner is suspected of cheating they arent apart of the next spawns equation.

Or we can just random

[Pootle]

Gotta love the repeated claim by Vanquish that racing for mobs is considered player interaction and is better for the community as a whole.

A couple of rolls a month gives more of the community a chance at a select few raid mobs. <-- this is better for the P99 community as a whole.

There will still be many mobs to race for, so you can wave your e-peen and/or scripts and claim you are the best on the server.
Having a tantrum about a few mobs going to rolls, just shows how much you care about the rest of the P99 community.

[starkind]

Guilds could earn points for every mob they don't kill. And then on the roll off they get to spend their points to help with their roll. So like up to a max of +20 or something.

If u roll on mobs tho u don't acrue a point tho.

Also if a guild won their roll and fail to kill the mob in the allotted time (an hr or something) and then the mob is ffa, u lose a point for killing it.

Or guilds just simply get negative points for every mob they kill.

A totally fair and balanced system. U can thank me later. Or just get red2.0 launched and also thank me later.

God bless. 🙏.

[seconds]

Raid bosses should get more difficult per week (% dmg/% health) if engaged by the same guild in consecutive spawns.

[starkind]

Raid bosses should get more difficult per week (% dmg/% health) if engaged by the same guild in consecutive spawns.

:cool:

[Caball]

Gotta love the repeated claim by Vanquish that racing for mobs is considered player interaction and is better for the community as a whole.

A couple of rolls a month gives more of the community a chance at a select few raid mobs. <-- this is better for the P99 community as a whole.

There will still be many mobs to race for, so you can wave your e-peen and/or scripts and claim you are the best on the server.
Having a tantrum about a few mobs going to rolls, just shows how much you care about the rest of the P99 community.

How is it better for the p99 community to get raid loot through pure chance of a random roll? Take the Vanquish hate to RnF kid and stop trolling this guy’s post who is just trying to come up with a better system than randomly rolling to decide who kills raid mobs, thanks

[Pootle]

How is it better for the p99 community to get raid loot through pure chance of a random roll? Take the Vanquish hate to RnF kid and stop trolling this guy’s post who is just trying to come up with a better system than randomly rolling to decide who kills raid mobs, thanks

It's quite simple, this way more guilds get a chance at some of the targets that they have never tried before. (the roll just gives them an hour, they still have to successfully defeat the target to get loot)
Not every guild on the server is into racing, so if sometimes targets are rolled for, then there is a chance for those guilds to have a go at these targets.
The GMs are not making every pop of these mobs a roll, there will still be plenty to race for.

Anyway thanks for your reply boy, I almost missed it with all your constructive idea posts in this thread.

[Jimjam]

How is it better for the p99 community to get raid loot through pure chance of a random roll? Take the Vanquish hate to RnF kid and stop trolling this guy’s post who is just trying to come up with a better system than randomly rolling to decide who kills raid mobs, thanks

You still gotta get the force to kill the draygunz. I don’t think you roll the dice and the loot just moves into the guild bank.

[cd288]

How is it better for the p99 community to get raid loot through pure chance of a random roll? Take the Vanquish hate to RnF kid and stop trolling this guy’s post who is just trying to come up with a better system than randomly rolling to decide who kills raid mobs, thanks

Oh look it’s one of the guys who is upset that it might take slightly longer than usual to gear his 15th alt in BIS everything. You need to take a break from this game

[Samoht]

Oh look it’s one of the guys who is upset that it might take slightly longer than usual to gear his 15th alt in BIS everything. You need to take a break from this game

Oh look, it's the guy who comes to forums about video games to make fun of people playing video games.

How immersed are you right now?

Seek help.

[Ripqozko]

Oh look, it's the guy who comes to forums about video games to make fun of people playing video games.

How immersed are you right now?

Seek help.

Oh look it's a bunch of people with no warder loot, hope that helps.

[-TK-]

How immersed are you right now?

Can't really pull the immersion card on someone else when the staff says there will be 3-4 quakes a month and you guys are still filling the forums with your tears about having to roll for a few mobs a month that spawn naturally. You should probably look at your own post count the last couple weeks and take a look in the mirror before worrying about how immersed the rest of us might be.

[Samoht]

Can't really pull the immersion card on someone else when the staff says there will be 3-4 quakes a month and you guys are still filling the forums with your tears about having to roll for a few mobs a month that spawn naturally. You should probably look at your own post count the last couple weeks and take a look in the mirror before worrying about how immersed the rest of us might be.

Summary of this post: I'm rubber and you're glue.

The criot poster you are defending is posting in every single thread.

There's no sense in defending the hypocrisy. That makes you just as stupid as he is.

[rubicaant]

Roll offs aren’t the best solution, but more quakes is. If they keep up with a minimum of 3 quakes a month, then I consider this a vast improvement.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Oh look it's a bunch of people with no warder loot, hope that helps.

This legit made me LOL

[cd288]

Summary of this post: I'm rubber and you're glue.

The criot poster you are defending is posting in every single thread.

There's no sense in defending the hypocrisy. That makes you just as stupid as he is.

Are you talking about me? I’m not in Riot, I don’t raid. I did the raid scene once years ago and said no when your current guild’s leadership tried to recruit my cleric by offering a large dkp “signing bonus” lol. I don’t raid because I’ve seen what it’s like and I’m not someone like you who cares that much about a 23 year old game on a private emulated server. Who cares about what the raid policy is, it’s fake pixels in a super old video game and ultimately you will get those pixels eventually.

Chill out and stop being such a psycho about it. Take a step back and realize what you’re doing

[Samoht]

Are you talking about me? I’m not in Riot, I don’t raid. I did the raid scene once years ago and said no when your current guild’s leadership tried to recruit my cleric by offering a large dkp “signing bonus” lol. I don’t raid because I’ve seen what it’s like and I’m not someone like you who cares that much about a 23 year old game on a private emulated server. Who cares about what the raid policy is, it’s fake pixels in a super old video game and ultimately you will get those pixels eventually.

Chill out and stop being such a psycho about it. Take a step back and realize what you’re doing

The hypocrisy is A S T O U N D I N G. Claims he doesn't raid here, but clearly raids the forums. Claims other people are psycho, but literally posts in every thread.

If you don't raid here, then why are you FTE on every single post Vanquish players make? You clearly have some obsession with us. And it's not healthy.

Not sorry we rejected your app.

[Ripqozko]

The hypocrisy is A S T O U N D I N G. Claims he doesn't raid here, but clearly raids the forums. Claims other people are psycho, but literally posts in every thread.

If you don't raid here, then why are you FTE on every single post Vanquish players make? You clearly have some obsession with us. And it's not healthy.

Not sorry we rejected your app.

Did you script that response, it was under 150ms.

[-TK-]

Summary of this post: I'm rubber and you're glue.

The criot poster you are defending is posting in every single thread.

There's no sense in defending the hypocrisy. That makes you just as stupid as he is.

It's not about defending any particular person. Stop trying to rag on people for being immersed while overlooking your own extreme immersion/addiction like you're above people around here. Everyone else sees it but you, obviously. We can barely open a thread without seeing posts from you trying to convince yourself and/or others that you're better than the rest of the nerds around here, and it's sad that you can't see you're exactly the type of person you constantly try to call out. It makes you just as stupid as any of the people you're trying to degrade.

[Samoht]

It's not about defending any particular person. Stop trying to rag on people for being immersed while overlooking your own extreme immersion/addiction like you're above people around here. Everyone else sees it but you, obviously. We can barely open a thread without seeing posts from you trying to convince yourself and/or others that you're better than the rest of the nerds around here, and it's sad that you can't see you're exactly the type of person you constantly try to call out. It makes you just as stupid as any of the people you're trying to degrade.

He did it first, you moran. We are being admonished for participating in this raid scene by someone who submits a post every 10 minutes as if his time posting about the game is any more important than our time actually playing the game.

[Skarne]

He did it first, you moran. We are being admonished for participating in this raid scene by someone who submits a post every 10 minutes as if his time posting about the game is any more important than our time actually playing the game.

Bugs Moran

Srsly though everyone is right about you. Take a step back my guy.

[-TK-]

I'm rubber and you're glue.

He did it first, you moran.

I know a lost cause when I see one so I'll make my exit, but keep up the fight, bud, if this is where you have to get your jollies for the day. I'm sure everyone will come around to your totally and completely unbiased PoV if you just keep repeating yourself and arguing in circles in every new forum post.

[Robot]

No holds barred PVP in all raid zones. I can't for my life see the down side to this...

you arent trying hard enough to see then

It will quite literally kill all competition on the server and turn it into a 1 guild zerg where no smaller guilds have any sort of chance to compete. Its already bad enough as is with how bad the current meta fosters zerging.

Unless of course you dont actually want competition

[Veleria]

The rolls are because months/years of trying to work out another solution didnt work. It's hard to make equitable solutions when Vanquish was formed with the expressed intent of disturbing the server for the sake of disturbing the server. every change has come from them being caught cheating and never changing their ways. If anyone else pulled what they pulled they would have been banned already. Hell their leader stole an account, intentionally trained a raid with it whil two boxing, got caught , denied it, then admitted to it when pressed and evidence was shown... he got a 1 week suspension. Anyone else would have been banned even the minimum penalty for any of those offenses is more than he got. he did all of them at the same time and lied. So we roll because it forces them to play within the rules... if it's enforced

[Samoht]

stole an account

Interesting spin on things. Give him the bot info and then later claim it's stealing?

Try rotating your passwords, idiots.

[Veleria]

Interesting spin on things. Give him the bot info and then later claim it's stealing?

Try rotating your passwords, idiots.

Interesting spin using an account you aren't allowed to use isn't stealing? Just because you know the combo to a safe doesn't mean the contents are yours.

[Samoht]

Interesting spin using an account you aren't allowed to use isn't stealing? Just because you know the combo to a safe doesn't mean the contents are yours.

Are you accusing him of removing contents from the account now? Logging in a character you were freely given access to isn't stealing.

[Ennewi]

Logging in a character you were freely given access to isn't stealing.

Training isn't cheating.

[Trexller]

Training isn't cheating.

it's griefing, equally as bad.

[cd288]

The hypocrisy is A S T O U N D I N G. Claims he doesn't raid here, but clearly raids the forums. Claims other people are psycho, but literally posts in every thread.

If you don't raid here, then why are you FTE on every single post Vanquish players make? You clearly have some obsession with us. And it's not healthy.

Not sorry we rejected your app.

Lol sorry your guild leadership tried to recruit me when you were forming and I declined because I don’t want to be associated with some of them because of how toxic they are.

I shit on you and your guild recently because you guys literally cheated, outed yourselves by totally taking the bait in Riot’s sting operation that they forewarned the staff about, and then frantically tried to walk it back when you realized you got caught and had posted the very evidence of it yourselves lmao. What idiocy and how embarrassing. But what’s even more embarrassing is to continue to try and deny it when your own guild outed themselves and then to subsequently throw a hissy fit all over the forums about the rolling rules; you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself what you’re doing with your life

[cd288]

Interesting spin on things. Give him the bot info and then later claim it's stealing?

Try rotating your passwords, idiots.

Interesting how you just conveniently disregard the other things lol

[SantagarBrax]

While I can appreciate passionate players everywhere, let's try to keep the focus on resolutions that are acceptable to staff and all players, not attacks on one another and other non relevant smearing that doesn't pertain to the topic at hand.

There's plenty of pages in RNF for that. Thanks

[Imago]

Threads like this are why Red is better than Blue

[Ennewi]

Threads like this (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176974) are why Red is better than Blue

[YoungJeezy]

People who are cheating generally don't complain that they can't cheat anymore. Whereas people who lose are clearly tempted to complain of cheating to explain their failures

ur definitely reaching with that comment. people that cant cheat anymore DEFINITELY complain about how they can't.

[Allishia]

I think rolling for a raid mob is dumb...I don't really have a solution though.

Maybe leash giants / dain to their rooms so at least the guilds have to kite / clear to get them. Like statue cant leave his room, and aow can't go past see invis guard, dain has to be fought in well etc. At least that puts pressure on the 1 hour lockouts. But I guess leans more toward zerg meta again since numbers would help clear or kite trash.

I do understand the need to stop the racing though cause it definitely looks like people have scripted things...which sucks..but rolling is just and kinda feels like welfare...meh /nod

[Croco]

I do understand the need to stop the racing though cause it definitely looks like people have scripted things.

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Ripqozko]

I think rolling for a raid mob is dumb...I don't really have a solution though.

Maybe leash giants / dain to their rooms so at least the guilds have to kite / clear to get them. Like statue cant leave his room, and aow can't go past see invis guard, dain has to be fought in well etc. At least that puts pressure on the 1 hour lockouts. But I guess leans more toward zerg meta again since numbers would help clear or kite trash.

I do understand the need to stop the racing though cause it definitely looks like people have scripted things...which sucks..but rolling is just and kinda feels like welfare...meh /nod

The whole server is welfare after sleeper woke, hope that helps.

[YoungJeezy]

you would know, huh? considering you probably live off of it

[SantagarBrax]

So let's move the discussion phase onto a better path forward that renders the ability to script moot. I envision making the FTE's more difficult, not less. Add in elements that require greater sophistication and a little more panache. The problem with this scenario will be more petitions for mistakes, thus countering Staff's seeming goal of "as much hands off as possible". I could be wrong about this assumption.

Feedback from staff would be critical moving forward, which would provide us with a base of operations to freely brainstorm within.

I placed this comment in the wrong section last night, oops.

[cd288]

So let's move the discussion phase onto a better path forward that renders the ability to script moot. I envision making the FTE's more difficult, not less. Add in elements that require greater sophistication and a little more panache. The problem with this scenario will be more petitions for mistakes, thus countering Staff's seeming goal of "as much hands off as possible". I could be wrong about this assumption.

Feedback from staff would be critical moving forward, which would provide us with a base of operations to freely brainstorm within.

I placed this comment in the wrong section last night, oops.

They’ve already rendered scripting moot. You have to roll for the right to the mob. Simple easy

[SantagarBrax]

^ Terrible idea. It's not a solution and it's lazy at that.

For quest mobs, okay, I can see some give there. In a time locked game and a top heavy server after so long, things must continue to evolve and changes need to be made.

[cd288]

^ Terrible idea. It's not a solution and it's lazy at that.

For quest mobs, okay, I can see some give there. In a time locked game and a top heavy server after so long, things must continue to evolve and changes need to be made.

Ah ok so it’s another vanquish guy here mad about how it MAYBE will take him slightly longer to gear out his 15th alt. Got it

There’s literally no problem with a rolling system unless you’re someone who bases your happiness in game on trying to make sure you dominate everybody else and prevent them from getting any loot. Any well adjusted and rational individual wouldn’t care about the roll system because they would recognize that this is a private emulated server for a 23 year old video game so who cares if you don’t get to Zerg every single spawn away from every guild on the server. Chill

[Ennewi]

Instead of /random, one possible solution would be to instead randomize the raid targets themselves, more specifically their spawn points. But even if this was done, the additional work on this project likely wouldn't lessen the number of raid petitions. And, of course, it also wouldn't be classic. But the argument is for a healthy, competitive environment, one without instances and without ruining the original vision of and intentions behind the game. When the finish line (FTE) could be anywhere, the racers become more of a search party, coordinating as one moving unit with trackers instead of what took place in the past, strafing/coding from point A to point B (point C-Z would have to be accounted for).

Not a raid target but still a good example...Lodizal could spawn anywhere seaworthy planks spawned, not excluding #6/7 on the map. A lot of these zones equal in size to Iceclad. Even taking alt armies into account, if the target can spawn just about anywhere in zone, the encounter will be less samey than it otherwise would be, assuming the top guilds can even secure FTE.

All of the aquatic dragons could spawn in each other's place, whether in ToV, TD, CS, or even with Lake Rathetear as a possibility as a nod to Megaladon. Regular dragons could spread their wings as well. Trakanon/Severilous could have a chance of spawning in the neighboring zone, TT. Gorenaire could occasionally roam Frontier Mountains/Burning Woods. Yael could spawn anywhere in place of a regular elemental, not excluding the original loc at the very bottom; xp groups beware. Karnor's Castle seem too small to achieve the same effect with VS, but there are other examples elsewhere.

[Croco]

Instead of /random, one possible solution would be to instead randomize the raid targets themselves, more specifically their spawn points. But even if this was done, the additional work on this project likely wouldn't lessen the number of raid petitions. And, of course, it also wouldn't be classic. But the argument is for a healthy, competitive environment, one without instances and without ruining the original vision of and intentions behind the game. When the finish line (FTE) could be anywhere, the racers become more of a search party, coordinating as one moving unit with trackers instead of what took place in the past, strafing/coding from point A to point B (point C-Z would have to be accounted for).

Not a raid target but still a good example...Lodizal could spawn anywhere seaworthy planks spawned, not excluding #6/7 on the map. A lot of these zones equal in size to Iceclad. Even taking alt armies into account, if the target can spawn just about anywhere in zone, the encounter will be less samey than it otherwise would be, assuming the top guilds can even secure FTE.

All of the aquatic dragons could spawn in each other's place, whether in ToV, TD, CS, or even with Lake Rathetear as a possibility as a nod to Megaladon. Regular dragons could spread their wings as well. Trakanon/Severilous could have a chance of spawning in the neighboring zone, TT. Gorenaire could occasionally roam Frontier Mountains/Burning Woods. Yael could spawn anywhere in place of a regular elemental, not excluding the original loc at the very bottom; xp groups beware. Karnor's Castle seem too small to achieve the same effect with VS, but there are other examples elsewhere.

GM's have already stated that any proposed solutions to replace the newly imposed /randoms can't be coding based. That's not going to happen.

[Kiithsa]

This idea has been floated before but having a competitive raiding server and a separate, more rotated casual server is looking more attractive.

This may have to wait until Green refreshes so that can be turned into the competitive server leaving Blue as casual, or vice versa. But clearly there are two very different raiding cultures here and IMO neither is really an issue on their own. The problem is that they have to occupy the same space.

[Xulia]

I do understand the need to stop the racing though cause it definitely looks like people have scripted things...which sucks..but rolling is just and kinda feels like welfare...meh /nod

There wouldn't be racing if Vanquish would stop breaking the server rules. Just stop cheating to win at an unofficial emulator TLP and you can have what you want. Also really cheap of you of all people to complain about "welfare pixels" since you ditched Riot after getting your toons geared off other people's work.

[Samoht]

Just stop cheating to win at an unofficial emulator TLP

Just a reminder, that to date, the only confirmed instance of cheating was done by a Riot officer named Kickenit.

[Allishia]

There wouldn't be racing if Vanquish would stop breaking the server rules. Just stop cheating to win at an unofficial emulator TLP and you can have what you want. Also really cheap of you of all people to complain about "welfare pixels" since you ditched Riot after getting your toons geared off other people's work.

Hey you, I wasn't saying anyone was cheating, I use to think it wasn't possible, but after watching those videos of how to set up pixel detection etc. I realized how people could definitely be scripting things. So yes, after seeing that I agreed racing is not gonna work, but want something besides a roll just dunno what.

To the other thing you said, My alts and warrior were 100% geared before I ever joined riot. My toons got geared in aftermath when it was low numbers zone in pulls and you could get almost bis items for like 100-200 dkp, vs the rooted dragon zerg meta and everything being like 2000 dkp lol. I snagged a few things here and there, but I earned every bit of it.

I don't know if the others people's work is directed at me but I always play my heart out and try hardest to tank the dragons and Giants. I am definitely not an afk soaker Mr! Earned my things /nod :)

[Freakish]

I see. You admit to slacking on tanking the dwarves.

[Allishia]

I see. You admit to slacking on tanking the dwarves.

Rofl yes, I only usually ramp tank dain cause that dumb banishment thing :p

[Ripqozko]

Rofl yes, I only usually ramp tank dain cause that dumb banishment thing :p

you are my #1 welfare equiped tank

[Allishia]

you are my #1 welfare equiped tank

Rofl...thank you..:rolleyes:

[Xulia]

Just a reminder, that to date, the only confirmed instance of cheating was done by a Riot officer named Kickenit.

Additional reminder that Vanquish member Stunningly was found to have multiple videos instructing others how to script in P99 after Vanquish denied it vehemently, then said videos were immediately deleted once they were found. Kickenit's scripting was done to prove it could be done to respond to Vanquish's claim that cheating was not possible in P99 racing.

[Xulia]

I don't know if the others people's work is directed at me but I always play my heart out and try hardest to tank the dragons and Giants. I am definitely not an afk soaker Mr! Earned my things /nod :)

You turned a pretty quick about face and ran off to Vanq, so it seems like the pixels matter more to you than people. Or following server rules in this case.

[Samoht]

Additional reminder that Vanquish member Stunningly was found to have multiple videos instructing others how to script in P99 after Vanquish denied it vehemently, then said videos were immediately deleted once they were found. Kickenit's scripting was done to prove it could be done to respond to Vanquish's claim that cheating was not possible in P99 racing.

Hmm... I don't remember anybody denying that cheating could be done, but somehow Kickenit openly cheating on P99 is acceptable while Stunningly using EQ to teach programming is unacceptable.

Riot logic.

[Allishia]

You turned a pretty quick about face and ran off to Vanq, so it seems like the pixels matter more to you than people. Or following server rules in this case.

You can say its pixels, which they are nice too, but I mostly just want to tank everything I can while I'm on /nod. Also it's kinda like Jerry Springer in discord sometimes, like grab some popcorn its fun. My first night in guild I got Venice booted, one of my favorite nights / early mornings ever (<3 venice) :p

I follow the rules, I cant be responsible for what others do. I will say it does suck that people ruined the fun of racing with dumb cheating (I know its tech not proven whatever), but at least the roll stopped that in its tracks...just wish they could come up with something better is all.

[Ripqozko]

You can say its pixels, which they are nice too, but I mostly just want to tank everything I can while I'm on /nod. Also it's kinda like Jerry Springer in discord sometimes, like grab some popcorn its fun. My first night in guild I got Venice booted, one of my favorite nights / early mornings ever (<3 venice) :p

I follow the rules, I cant be responsible for what others do. I will say it does suck that people ruined the fun of racing with dumb cheating (I know its tech not proven whatever), but at least the roll stopped that in its tracks...just wish they could come up with something better is all.

How many warders did you tank when ya swapped?

[Allishia]

How many warders did you tank when ya swapped?

I never got to tank warders :(

[Ripqozko]

I never got to tank warders :(

we know, sorry you dont got, enjoy the welfare

[cd288]

Just a reminder, that to date, the only confirmed instance of cheating was done by a Riot officer named Kickenit.

Nah it was done to prove that vanquish was cheating, which it did, because vanquish reacted instantly just like the riot character using a script did. It’s insane how you’re trying to spin this lmao

The best part about it is your own leadership doesn’t give a crap. They’re just like damn we got caught whatever. But you’re in here throwing tantrums

[Praxcthius]

Like I said in a blue UN post that got me kicked for literally pointing out hater hypocrisy. They love ya til you aren’t doing stuff for them. Allishya is by far the most exuberant person for enjoying and wanting to tank any and every mob in this game. Every dissenter I’ve seen about negativity towards vanquish seems personal like you’ve been harmed in real life or you want attention by playing victim at any and all avenues provided. If you don’t try if you don’t practice to be better you will never be successful on any long term, continuous basis. If you’re not good at this game and feel entitled to end game content it is the go to of the “victim” to overwhelm the powers in control with whining and crying to bring the competition aspects down to their level so they can convince themselves they are accomplishing something as if they were on the same level as an actually skilled player. Here’s to the lazy people, “Wow momma so proud of me baby. You’re so good ah let me wipe your chin and get you an ice cream.

[cd288]

Like I said in a blue UN post that got me kicked for literally pointing out hater hypocrisy. They love ya til you aren’t doing stuff for them. Allishya is by far the most exuberant person for enjoying and wanting to tank any and every mob in this game. Every dissenter I’ve seen about negativity towards vanquish seems personal like you’ve been harmed in real life or you want attention by playing victim at any and all avenues provided. If you don’t try if you don’t practice to be better you will never be successful on any long term, continuous basis. If you’re not good at this game and feel entitled to end game content it is the go to of the “victim” to overwhelm the powers in control with whining and crying to bring the competition aspects down to their level so they can convince themselves they are accomplishing something as if they were on the same level as an actually skilled player. Here’s to the lazy people, “Wow momma so proud of me baby. You’re so good ah let me wipe your chin and get you an ice cream.

This is a lot of words to write just to cry about the new rolling rules

[Ripqozko]

This is a lot of words to write just to cry about the new rolling rules

[Samoht]

Look at those Riot cry babies STILL trying to FTE more posts than raid targets.

And then they play the victim when you make them cry.

Stop playing the victim and start playing the game.

[Croco]

Beep boop, beep beep boop. Whirrrrr, booooooop. BEEP!

[mattydef]

I love the use of the word ‘welfare’ on p99. Like there’s somehow a way to know whether an item someone is using was gotten by winning a race to the dragon beforehand or not. Last I checked, a claw of lightning is a claw of lightning, and I doubt the person wielding it cares what you think about how they obtained it.

[mcoy]

Where does one sign up for this welfare anyway?

-Mcoy

[SantagarBrax]

Ah ok so it’s another vanquish guy here mad about how it MAYBE will take him slightly longer to gear out his 15th alt. Got it

There’s literally no problem with a rolling system unless you’re someone who bases your happiness in game on trying to make sure you dominate everybody else and prevent them from getting any loot. Any well adjusted and rational individual wouldn’t care about the roll system because they would recognize that this is a private emulated server for a 23 year old video game so who cares if you don’t get to Zerg every single spawn away from every guild on the server. Chill

You sure do assume a lot, and know very little on how things actually work. My guess is you don't raid or haven't in a long time. When you have to compete for a mob / item, throughout all the up's and down's and compete against RNG drop rate, the item you've wanted is that much more valuable and appreciated. When it's given away in a charity event, whether that be a roll or draft week etc, there's no way that is a lasting memorable moment for the individual.

You keep trying to word salad your perspective, yet it's irrelevant because you've exposed your lack of knowledge in the current discussion and it just seems like you enjoy hearing yourself talk, instead of actually contributing towards anything.

[SantagarBrax]

GM's have already stated that any proposed solutions to replace the newly imposed /randoms can't be coding based. That's not going to happen.

Have racers spin on the line in order to fte or shadowstep the statue every 1-2 ticks...there's ways to keep Kael competitive and address the scripting off the line.

This roll decision was just lazy and inadequate.

[cd288]

Have racers spin on the line in order to fte or shadowstep the statue every 1-2 ticks...there's ways to keep Kael competitive and address the scripting off the line.

This roll decision was just lazy and inadequate.

Lmao dude you need to step back and take a break from the game if you’re this upset about not being able to lord over all the other guilds and prevent them from getting pixels in a 23 year old mmo. So it might take a little longer to gear your 15th character. Who cares. RELAX

[SantagarBrax]

Who are you to tell me what to do? I don't come tell you what to do. Again, you're assuming my motivations and you couldn't be further from the truth.

Why do you keep doing that?

[SantagarBrax]

Contrary to ignorant assumptions, any and every guild is more than welcome to come compete for mobs in this game...it's how it's always been and how it should always remain. Guess what, give it a try and you can find success, it's not that difficult.

One can't blame others for your own lack of initiative and motivation to play the game as it was intended if you won't even try.

[Thaak]

You look at the metas and go "ah yes, just the way Brad intended"?

cause lol

[SantagarBrax]

Meta's are different from game design.

Seemingly, there's nothing players can do against meta changes as we have little to no input without vast swings from side of the spectrum to another. The game, by design, is competitive. If you don't like that then you're simply playing the wrong game or on the wrong server.

[Ripqozko]

Meta's are different from game design.

Seemingly, there's nothing players can do against meta changes as we have little to no input without vast swings from side of the spectrum to another. The game, by design, is competitive. If you don't like that then you're simply playing the wrong game or on the wrong server.

if you wanted competition you woulda raided pre sleeper waking or on green. you did neither hope that helps.

[Thaak]

Players 100% decide the metas, you herb. Kiting trash isn't game design, it's player choice.

[SantagarBrax]

if you wanted competition you woulda raided pre sleeper waking or on green. you did neither hope that helps.

Hey buddy, sorry to inform you that warder loot is pretty bad outside of an sod/monk robe. No one cares, I hope this revelation doesn't upset your 6+ years of broken record repetition.

p.s. @Rustle

You're welcome to come compete in ToV at any time, but I've been told "it's not our style". One can dream I guess.

[SantagarBrax]

Players 100% decide the metas, you herb. Kiting trash isn't game design, it's player choice.

Players innovate tactics within the meta that GM's decide. Cause and effect. Why doesn't CSR get more involved with the player base before making radical decisions instead of their historic "hands off" approach?

[Ripqozko]

Hey buddy, sorry to inform you that warder loot is pretty bad outside of an sod/monk robe. No one cares, I hope this revelation doesn't upset your 6+ years of broken record repetition.

p.s. @Rustle

You're welcome to come compete in ToV at any time, but I've been told "it's not our style". One can dream I guess.

sorry you think farming = competition, enjoy your welfare farmville pixels

[SantagarBrax]

Come on Ramen, make my next vulak loot drop more memorable and valuable.

/throws down the gauntlet

[Ripqozko]

Come on Ramen, make my next vulak loot drop more memorable and valuable.

/throws down the gauntlet

imagine not getting vulak loot for years into velious, you can.

[cd288]

Contrary to ignorant assumptions, any and every guild is more than welcome to come compete for mobs in this game...it's how it's always been and how it should always remain. Guess what, give it a try and you can find success, it's not that difficult.

One can't blame others for your own lack of initiative and motivation to play the game as it was intended if you won't even try.

Lol your agenda is so clear here it’s such a joke

[cd288]

Who are you to tell me what to do? I don't come tell you what to do. Again, you're assuming my motivations and you couldn't be further from the truth.

Why do you keep doing that?

I think you’re mistaking my advice for an order. I’m trying to make you realize you’re getting way to immersed in what should be a hobby. This is an emulated server of an incredibly old video game…if you are upset enough about raid pixel farming and not being able to use your 100 man Zerg guild to kill every single target all the time, you should really take a break and take a step back and assess yourself and what you’re doing. We can all get a little too immersed and addicted to things at times, it happens, but when it does we need to take a break and realize that maybe we’re not living our best life by doing so…you should do that

[spoil]

I love the use of the word ‘welfare’ on p99. Like there’s somehow a way to know whether an item someone is using was gotten by winning a race to the dragon beforehand or not. Last I checked, a claw of lightning is a claw of lightning, and I doubt the person wielding it cares what you think about how they obtained it.

Don't speak until you've covered yourself in glory by getting FTE ahead of hockeydaddy69 only cheating a little bit.

[eisley]

I love the use of the word ‘welfare’ on p99. Like there’s somehow a way to know whether an item someone is using was gotten by winning a race to the dragon beforehand or not. Last I checked, a claw of lightning is a claw of lightning, and I doubt the person wielding it cares what you think about how they obtained it.

What offends me is it's not even remotely the best rogue offhand but some people think it is.

Truly welfare.

[eisley]

I personally believe a standard countdown is most fair. Of the top 5 best racers from the last 2 years.... one of them plays from Asia. And another from Europe. I think it's pretty much agreed that a 300 ping puts you at more of a disadvantage than having an average or lower reaction time

This is actually an interesting point I hadn't really thought about. I believe Kelzaraz is pretty widely considered the best racer in this games history, or at least in the conversation, and he had a consistent 140-150 ping (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6m2kx09CjM). So he had a handicap larger than what Stunningly supposedly gains by scripting.

[cd288]

This is actually an interesting point I hadn't really thought about. I believe Kelzaraz is pretty widely considered the best racer in this games history, or at least in the conversation, and he had a consistent 140-150 ping (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6m2kx09CjM). So he had a handicap larger than what Stunningly supposedly gains by scripting.

Lmao I love how vanquish has slowly shifted from denial to “yeah we cheated but it really didn’t give us that big an advantage!”

[eisley]

Lmao I love how vanquish has slowly shifted from denial to “yeah we cheated but it really didn’t give us that big an advantage!”

I don't speak for Vanquish whatsoever. I'm a casual player who quit in late 2016 and have played casually on and off since.

I associate myself much more with Inglourious Basterds, Rampage, and Awakened.

If anything, people would probably expect me to side against Vanquish, since it's basically full of Aftermath/AG people. You know, my rival guild for years.

I have never cheated, I haven't gotten an FTE since years before you started this game. I don't mean that as an insult or anything, just some perspective. I do not believe Stunningly cheats because the evidence provided is not compelling. The reductive way you guys turn a 90,000ms fight into a 50-100ms jump advantage is, to those of us who have raced Statue a lot, humorous. That race is won on the mechanics. The two snowpiles. The sharp turns. Near 100% strafe time. Not choking at the end (DA Vindi, click the door and target statue macro, click off DA).

When a guy consistently beats your guild by 2000-5000ms, and you're focusing on the 100ms jump, I think you may be a bit misguided. But that's just my opinion. I've seen videos where he could've given you guys two full seconds head start and still won comfortably. Sorry, i don't really have a dog in this fight (I've played since beta & 2016 Awakened was the best guild in this game, and it's not close) but I think there may be bigger issues at play.

[Ripqozko]

I don't speak for Vanquish whatsoever. I'm a casual player who quit in late 2016 and have played casually on and off since.

I associate myself much more with Inglourious Basterds, Rampage, and Awakened.

If anything, people would probably expect me to side against Vanquish, since it's basically full of Aftermath/AG people. You know, my rival guild for years.

I have never cheated, I haven't gotten an FTE since years before you started this game. I don't mean that as an insult or anything, just some perspective. I do not believe Stunningly cheats because the evidence provided is not compelling. The reductive way you guys turn a 90,000ms fight into a 50-100ms jump advantage is, to those of us who have raced Statue a lot, humorous. That race is won on the mechanics. The two snowpiles. The sharp turns. Near 100% strafe time. Not choking at the end (DA Vindi, click the door and target statue macro, click off DA).

When a guy consistently beats your guild by 2000-5000ms, and you're focusing on the 100ms jump, I think you may be a bit misguided. But that's just my opinion. I've seen videos where he could've given you guys two full seconds head start and still won comfortably. Sorry, i don't really have a dog in this fight (I've played since beta & 2016 Awakened was the best guild in this game, and it's not close) but I think there may be bigger issues at play.

We wont have to focus on it when we random 1000 it, bring on the rolltation.

[eisley]

We wont have to focus on it when we random 1000 it, bring on the rolltation.

Doesn't that seem boring, though?

Competition was always a big part of classic EQ and p99. I'd rather see a different solution like 7 day mobs ONLY respawning from quakes, or something along those lines. Without the races and guild competition, it's just zerging down mobs for alt gear. At that point, why not just make one superguild so you win every roll?

I liked the NToV races and 30 min lockout rules. Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but it made for interesting risk/reward choices and the "30 minutes, 1 shot" thing made it exciting. Mess up the pull or wipe or train the enemy, you just auto-conceded. No lawyerquesting. Well, um, less lawyerquesting.

NToV races took organized groups with active facetrackers. It took bard DA's and trickery. (why yes, Aftermath, please go on ahead thru 4-way. We'll hang back.) We'd often have to decide whether or not to juke to enemy into FTEing a low prio target if smething better was in window. It took a rogue sneaking up to tag pull, and train up. Guilds were smaller so less margin for error.

In my opinion, all that stuff is worth preserving. It may not be classic, but it's Project 1999. If /random is really the best we can come up with, I guess we're getting exactly what we deserve.

[Ripqozko]

Doesn't that seem boring, though?

Competition was always a big part of classic EQ and p99. I'd rather see a different solution like 7 day mobs ONLY respawning from quakes, or something along those lines. Without the races and guild competition, it's just zerging down mobs for alt gear. At that point, why not just make one superguild so you win every roll?

I liked the NToV races and 30 min lockout rules. Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but it made for interesting risk/reward choices and the "30 minutes, 1 shot" thing made it exciting. Mess up the pull or wipe or train the enemy, you just auto-conceded. No lawyerquesting. Well, um, less lawyerquesting.

NToV races took organized groups with active facetrackers. It took bard DA's and trickery. (why yes, Aftermath, please go on ahead thru 4-way. We'll hang back.) We'd often have to decide whether or not to juke to enemy into FTEing a low prio target if smething better was in window. It took a rogue sneaking up to tag pull, and train up. Guilds were smaller so less margin for error.

In my opinion, all that stuff is worth preserving. It may not be classic, but it's Project 1999. If /random is really the best we can come up with, I guess we're getting exactly what we deserve.

no its not, we did competition for years, time to relax

[Arvan]

sorry you think farming = competition, enjoy your welfare farmville pixels

I for one detest welfare pixels. Any pixel that i have that was not earned by competing with a fellow everquester i have deleted and urged others to do so as well. Tell me - were any of your items earned under welfare conditions?

[cd288]

I don't speak for Vanquish whatsoever. I'm a casual player who quit in late 2016 and have played casually on and off since.

I associate myself much more with Inglourious Basterds, Rampage, and Awakened.

If anything, people would probably expect me to side against Vanquish, since it's basically full of Aftermath/AG people. You know, my rival guild for years.

I have never cheated, I haven't gotten an FTE since years before you started this game. I don't mean that as an insult or anything, just some perspective. I do not believe Stunningly cheats because the evidence provided is not compelling. The reductive way you guys turn a 90,000ms fight into a 50-100ms jump advantage is, to those of us who have raced Statue a lot, humorous. That race is won on the mechanics. The two snowpiles. The sharp turns. Near 100% strafe time. Not choking at the end (DA Vindi, click the door and target statue macro, click off DA).

When a guy consistently beats your guild by 2000-5000ms, and you're focusing on the 100ms jump, I think you may be a bit misguided. But that's just my opinion. I've seen videos where he could've given you guys two full seconds head start and still won comfortably. Sorry, i don't really have a dog in this fight (I've played since beta & 2016 Awakened was the best guild in this game, and it's not close) but I think there may be bigger issues at play.

“My guild”? I’m not in riot or a raiding guild lol. I don’t need to be in a raiding guild to realize that your guild cheats. Especially when a vanquish member had multiple YouTube videos up ABOUT HOW TO SCRIPT RACES lol that were immediately taken down when Vanquish outed themselves by accident by posting the videos without realizing Riot was running a sting operation

[Ripqozko]

I for one detest welfare pixels. Any pixel that i have that was not earned by competing with a fellow everquester i have deleted and urged others to do so as well. Tell me - were any of your items earned under welfare conditions?

absolutely, ill delete mine if yall delete all of your loot. still have vulak.

[Arvan]

absolutely, ill delete mine if yall delete all of your loot. still have vulak.

I have zero welfare loot. How much do you have?

[Skarne]

I have zero welfare loot. How much do you have?

Sorry you don’t got welfare loot hope this helps

[Ripqozko]

I have zero welfare loot. How much do you have?

Everything you have is after sleeper woke, sorry you got welfare. Ebt it up

[Arvan]

Everything you have is after sleeper woke, sorry you got welfare. Ebt it up

You killed warders with no other guild in sleepers contesting. You post daily about your welfare loot. Hahahahaha

[Arvan]

Sorry you dont have competitive pixels

[Ripqozko]

double posting cause you mad/bad/ebt

[Croco]

Competition was always a big part of classic EQ and p99.

The "competition" on p99 is 100% a contrivance of p99. The VAST majority of live servers did not have guild vs guild competition in the raid scene. I played on 3 different servers on live and had friends across half a dozen others that I regularly kept up with.

Most servers had a single top guild gobbling up most content and occasionally a lesser tier guild killing random stuff they could find up and that was it. Hell a lot of servers had GM mandated rotations. It was incredibly rare to find a server with more than a single guild killing the cutting edge expansions raid mobs. Then eventually EQ put in instances for most raiding and that was that.

EQ was more popular and had more subs in a time when raids were instanced than they did during the era when they weren't. WoW was leaps and bounds more popular than EQ ever dreamed of being and was largely responsible for the downfall in popularity and exodus of a lot of the EQ player base and they had instanced raiding basically from day 1.

Hyper competitive pvevp was not a thing in era.

[supercalif]

The "competition" on p99 is 100% a contrivance of p99. The VAST majority of live servers did not have guild vs guild competition in the raid scene. I played on 3 different servers on live and had friends across half a dozen others that I regularly kept up with.

Most servers had a single top guild gobbling up most content and occasionally a lesser tier guild killing random stuff they could find up and that was it. Hell a lot of servers had GM mandated rotations. It was incredibly rare to find a server with more than a single guild killing the cutting edge expansions raid mobs. Then eventually EQ put in instances for most raiding and that was that.

EQ was more popular and had more subs in a time when raids were instanced than they did during the era when they weren't. WoW was leaps and bounds more popular than EQ ever dreamed of being and was largely responsible for the downfall in popularity and exodus of a lot of the EQ player base and they had instanced raiding basically from day 1.

Hyper competitive pvevp was not a thing in era.

If we really want to be classic, p99 servers should only be available 5-8pm Monday to Friday and 6am-10pm on Saturday/Sunday to simulate after school hours. Then on random days it should extend to 1am but also randomly close early to simulate staying up late but being caught by mom.

[Arvan]

double posting cause you mad/bad/ebt

Sorry you still have welfare loot

[cd288]

The "competition" on p99 is 100% a contrivance of p99. The VAST majority of live servers did not have guild vs guild competition in the raid scene. I played on 3 different servers on live and had friends across half a dozen others that I regularly kept up with.

Most servers had a single top guild gobbling up most content and occasionally a lesser tier guild killing random stuff they could find up and that was it. Hell a lot of servers had GM mandated rotations. It was incredibly rare to find a server with more than a single guild killing the cutting edge expansions raid mobs. Then eventually EQ put in instances for most raiding and that was that.

EQ was more popular and had more subs in a time when raids were instanced than they did during the era when they weren't. WoW was leaps and bounds more popular than EQ ever dreamed of being and was largely responsible for the downfall in popularity and exodus of a lot of the EQ player base and they had instanced raiding basically from day 1.

Hyper competitive pvevp was not a thing in era.

Well yes and no. Many servers actually did have about two top guilds battling with each other. Many servers did not, but it certainly wasn't the vast majority. As CSR in era on multiple servers, there were definitely many servers that had more than one top guild.

The big difference with P99 is that it never progresses past expansion number 2. So the top couple of guilds never move on to the newest expansion raid content, thus never allowing the smaller guilds to have their shot at anything.

[eisley]

Most servers had a single top guild gobbling up most content and occasionally a lesser tier guild killing random stuff they could find up and that was it.


I played on 3 servers too, Tarew Marr, Vallon Zek, and Tunare. None of them fit your description in the slightest. Though p99's 'competition' is unique, thats part of what makes it fun.


EQ was more popular and had more subs in a time when raids were instanced than they did during the era when they weren't. .

[citation needed]

[Ripqozko]

I played on 3 servers too, Tarew Marr, Vallon Zek, and Tunare. None of them fit your description in the slightest. Though p99's 'competition' is unique, thats part of what makes it fun.



[citation needed]

Povar just had triton, i was in darkova we were #3 guild but an expansion behind

[Allishia]

I remember TMO, order of redemption and realm of ages I think it was? I was a newb though, didn't really raid till later. Later on I remember like severed and some other guild, maybe night of vengeance or defenders of Akanon.

[Croco]

[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverQuest#Sales_and_subscriptions

Subscription numbers would rise to over 500,000 active accounts four years after release in 2003.[3] By the end of 2004 the title's lifetime sales exceeded 3 million copies worldwide[68] and reached an active subscriber peak of 550,000.

https://i.imgur.com/TOQZVtt.png

[eisley]

When did instanced raids start? It was after I quit.

Still, 500k during LoY/LDoN (which was basically still PoP era) is pretty impressive.

[Twochain]

People are doing mental gymnastics in this thread. If EQ had more subscribers during expansions that had instanced raiding... that is contributed to a meriad of different things such as, Computer/internet availability (It was pretty niche to have a computer good enough to run EQ in 1999-2001) and overall online gaming popularity.

Not because the raid zones were fucking instances dude. Like what are we even talking about????? 98% of everquest players back in the day hardly raided, let alone to the poop sock level of it mattering if the zones were instanced or not.

Can we get back on topic?

[zati]

Trakanon should be a DPS race.

[Samoht]

People are doing mental gymnastics in this thread. If EQ had more subscribers during expansions that had instanced raiding... that is contributed to a meriad of different things such as, Computer/internet availability (It was pretty niche to have a computer good enough to run EQ in 1999-2001) and overall online gaming popularity.

Not because the raid zones were fucking instances dude. Like what are we even talking about????? 98% of everquest players back in the day hardly raided, let alone to the poop sock level of it mattering if the zones were instanced or not.

Can we get back on topic?

Real raids weren't instanced until GoD, anyway. Game sucked by then.

[Ripqozko]

Real raids weren't instanced until GoD, anyway. Game sucked by then.

omens was good and after god

[cd288]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverQuest#Sales_and_subscriptions



https://i.imgur.com/TOQZVtt.png

Thought Brad said 550k was during Luclin

[Croco]

omens was good and after god

[SantagarBrax]

Lol your agenda is so clear here it’s such a joke

It sure is: get off your tired "give me free stuff" ass and go out and make it happen.

It's not a secret.

[SantagarBrax]

no its not, we did competition for years, time to relax

Says the guy that refuses to compete, thinks what he did at velious launch was competing, and quit shortly thereafter in the raid scene.

Why would anyone listen to anything you have to say here? You're not in the equation.

[Ripqozko]

Says the guy that refuses to compete, thinks what he did at velious launch was competing, and quit shortly thereafter in the raid scene.

Why would anyone listen to anything you have to say here? You're not in the equation.

what are you talking about, i was in AM until it died, thats half your guild btw.

And Rustle and we competed against both A/A and killed every mob.

[Plaguu~]

Rogean and Nilbog don't care. Even Rogean plays on a TLP. Staff seem to put in the bare minimum amount of time to keep things running and aren't interested in making better rules after 12 years of dealing with bickering man children.

[cd288]

It sure is: get off your tired "give me free stuff" ass and go out and make it happen.

It's not a secret.

Lol imagine getting this bent out of shape about getting pixels on an emulated server for a 23 year old game. Take a step back and think about what you’re doing

[Croco]

Rogean and Nilbog don't care. Even Rogean plays on a TLP. Staff seem to put in the bare minimum amount of time to keep things running and aren't interested in making better rules after 12 years of dealing with bickering man children.

This. One is completely checked out playing Aradune raiding plane of time and the other is super invested making sure the correct vendors are selling grapes. This is truly the darkest timeline.

[Master Roshi]

Lol imagine getting this bent out of shape about getting pixels on an emulated server for a 23 year old game. Take a step back and think about what you’re doing

You should just make this reply your signature, you essentially say it to anyone you disagree with.

[cd288]

You should just make this reply your signature, you essentially say it to anyone you disagree with.

Nah I just say it to vanquish people who get wound up about raiding. Too immersed bud

[Praxcthius]

cd 288. hmm. gonna guess why you did that anonymous sort of online name thingy.
1. yer unable to spell an actual toons name to represent who you may be identified as in game.
2. you have 288 cds. (possible)
3. you initialed your real name and put a number behind it like it's an email address.
4. you deliberately are pretending to be someone else and get kicks from pretending to hate those whom you admire. (hmm interesting)
5. you're ashamed that you have mismatched socks and on that day you were (c)rying (d)elirously for 288 minutes.
6. You're just a bitter jealous person who thinks by trying to bring down someone else you'll look a little taller to everyone else.

Have a Great Day!

On this day 100 years ago: Lots of things happened no one remembers

[Samoht]

(c)rying (d)elirously for 288 minutes.

Nah, the crying has been significantly longer than 288 minutes.

[cd288]

cd 288. hmm. gonna guess why you did that anonymous sort of online name thingy.
1. yer unable to spell an actual toons name to represent who you may be identified as in game.
2. you have 288 cds. (possible)
3. you initialed your real name and put a number behind it like it's an email address.
4. you deliberately are pretending to be someone else and get kicks from pretending to hate those whom you admire. (hmm interesting)
5. you're ashamed that you have mismatched socks and on that day you were (c)rying (d)elirously for 288 minutes.
6. You're just a bitter jealous person who thinks by trying to bring down someone else you'll look a little taller to everyone else.

Have a Great Day!

On this day 100 years ago: Lots of things happened no one remembers

Geared up two chars via raiding and epics on P99 (a few years ago). Have seen that there are better things to do in the game and in life which was why I declined when your guilds leadership offered me a bunch of DKP as a signing bonus to join with my Cleric lol. I simply think if you are throwing a tantrum over the new rolling system then you really need to take a step back and assess the state of your personal life (and that’s not an insult, just a piece of advice). It’s a 23 year old video game, there’s not need to be so upset about raiding in this game.

[Praxcthius]

But no one cares about your opinion. You’ve come around lately behaving you’re some type of white knight to save us from ourselves. Have you ever thought we really just like the game and what we do with it is our own choice?

[cd288]

But no one cares about your opinion. You’ve come around lately behaving you’re some type of white knight to save us from ourselves. Have you ever thought we really just like the game and what we do with it is our own choice?

/shrug

Just seems like an odd choice to base your enjoyment of the game on whether you can prevent other people from also occasionally enjoying the game's "raid level" content lol. Again, in most cases on Blue many people in your guild are working on gearing like what, their 10th alt? So you will occasionally miss out on a couple targets here and there instead of getting to monopolize them. Who cares. Relax.

[Master Roshi]

People find their enjoyment where they please. I don't see how you can judge when you have thousands of posts here since 2018, clearly you treat this forum like your raid scene, and that's fine and all, but don't preach as though you're somehow the only person not wasting their time here.

[cd288]

People find their enjoyment where they please. I don't see how you can judge when you have thousands of posts here since 2018, clearly you treat this forum like your raid scene, and that's fine and all, but don't preach as though you're somehow the only person not wasting their time here.

Oh you misunderstand me. I am not judging anyone for spending time playing P99 by any means. Where I think people might want to reevaluate things is when they are getting very upset about a roll system because it means somebody else might get to kill a mob and therefore it might take just a little bit longer to gear their 10th alt. Play P99 all you want, but someone may be taking things too far if they’re getting upset about the situation I described above.

[jostling]

Just play a racing game if you want to race
https://store.steampowered.com/tags/en/Racing/

[ReoDobbs]

People who are cheating generally don't complain that they can't cheat anymore.

I think this ridiculous statement deserves a bump

[cd288]

I think this ridiculous statement deserves a bump

If they don't complain specifically about it, they do what Vanquish has been doing here instead. Which is come up with reasons to complain about the new system that prevents it.