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starkind
03-31-2022, 11:46 PM
Probably because they where told to. Heh.

I don't reddit... 😬

Reiwa
03-31-2022, 11:53 PM
Ukrainians hunting Russians as they leave Kyiv area (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ukrainians-hunting-russians-leave-kyiv-area-pentagon-update/story?id=83799022)

Russians being hunted as they withdraw from Kyiv area

The U.S. continues to see roughly 20% of the Russian forces that were arrayed against Kyiv repositioning away from the capital, the official said. And Ukrainian forces are attacking these troops as they withdraw from the area.

"As these forces begin to reposition, the Ukrainians are moving against them," the official said.

Jibartik
04-01-2022, 12:23 PM
https://www.history.com/news/russia-georgia-war-military-nato

is this the same war as the one in ukraine?

Jibartik
04-01-2022, 12:54 PM
https://i.imgur.com/W8TqQEQ.png

Jibartik
04-01-2022, 12:58 PM
Should thread be changed to Moscow possible beat back Ukraine?

https://i.imgur.com/lFzm5OU.png

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 01:10 PM
Hopefully the Ukrainians take back crimea. That would be quite funny

Trexller
04-01-2022, 01:17 PM
Hopefully the Ukrainians take back crimea. That would be quite funny

this would be hilarious, not only do they beat the shit out of the "mighty russian army" but then they regain territory that michelle obama's wife had the audacity to give away

retaking crimea would be rightful salt in russia's wounds.

Gustoo
04-01-2022, 01:20 PM
They only stole it 6 years ago. Hopefully Ukraine can have it back.

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 01:26 PM
this would be hilarious, not only do they beat the shit out of the "mighty russian army" but then they regain territory that michelle obama's wife had the audacity to give away

retaking crimea would be rightful salt in russia's wounds.

They won’t of course. That would probably be very hard to take given the geography. But as gustoo says it would be justice

Y’all should check out the latest episode of the Doomsday Podcast. It’s a decent war podcast from the U.K. The host interviews a fairly well informed ex British special forces officer about his thoughts on the conflict

Jibartik
04-01-2022, 01:27 PM
cool thanks for the link will check it out!

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 02:01 PM
I’m old dude I don’t know how to link that shit from Amazon podcasts

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 02:03 PM
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/war-bulletin-how-real-is-russias-retreat/id1593634121?i=1000555837563

Googling it linked it through Apple podcasts and I don’t even use that, what gives

Jibartik
04-01-2022, 02:11 PM
Haha thx just poking the bear

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 02:12 PM
It’s a good podcast regardless of my inability to link it. It’s 35 minutes we’ll worth listening

Trexller
04-01-2022, 02:13 PM
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/war-bulletin-how-real-is-russias-retreat/id1593634121?i=1000555837563

Googling it linked it through Apple podcasts and I don’t even use that, what gives

google knows what you want, long before you know you want it.

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 02:13 PM
It’s a good podcast regardless of my inability to link it. It’s 35 minutes we’ll worth listening

BlackBellamy
04-01-2022, 02:39 PM
Could be gathering strength for a renewed push?

I'm sure that's what they would like everyone to think.

A withdrawal under pressure is an extremely difficult process and wearing on the equipment and morale. It can easily turn into a rout. The Russians aren't doing the right thing, which is to move fresh troops in first, then withdraw the tired ones while the fresh ones fight a rear-guard action. They're just pulling people out. Big columns of trucks, abandoned gear, piles of hurried garbage strewn around.

This is what's going to happen: The Russian army will get pushed back from Kiev all the way to the Belarus border. In the northeast, same thing. The Russians around Chernihiv are already on the run. Konotop and Sumy are next. In another week the northeast should be clear of Russians.

A large Russian effort will be Kharkiv, the northern linchpin of the new declared Donbass effort. The Russians need to keep Kharkiv invested otherwise the Ukrainians there can put a real hurt on their efforts to the south. If the Russians also start withdrawing from around Kharkiv then they can kiss any further advance into the east goodbye.

In the southwest, look for the Ukrainians to mount a major push to retake Kherson. Mariupol continues to survive against all odds somehow.

The Ukrainians have a giant advantage in that they operate on interior lines. They have one of the best rail networks and the Russians have only made sporadic efforts against it, easily repaired in hours. They drive in personal cars to the battlefield. The distance from Kiev to Kherson is one tenth the distance a Russian has to travel.

Lastly, redeploying troops quickly is not something that happens. These guys have been in battle for a month. They took heavy casualties, they were hungry dirty tired and hurt. You can't redeploy them you have to rest them. They have the combat effectiveness of a squished snail. Also, even if fresh you can't just feed formations from other commands in and expect any great results. They exist out of the Southern Command structure and that HQ is not equipped to handle all these new subordinate formations that have never trained or been deployed to that front. That's why all those mercenaries from Syria and whenever are total bullshit. Probably just as effective as your typical Russian conscript with a pile of shit in his underwear.

Trexller
04-01-2022, 02:49 PM
sounds about right BB, I'd add that russia is gonna try to hold onto whatever pieces of black sea property that they can, since this entire thing is largely about warm water port real estate, they are gonna hold onto some small scraps of land and call it a victory.

its probably gonna be a russian version of this:

https://i.imgur.com/uBIRxUt.jpeg

BlackBellamy
04-01-2022, 03:28 PM
This is a wonderfully informative video about what makes the Russians so rotten.

TLDR is the Mongols destroyed Kiev, the enlightened seat of liberal thinking and Novgorod then fell to the rabid and angry Muscovites, and those guys just took over and the rest is current events.

f8ZqBLcIvw0

BlackBellamy
04-01-2022, 03:39 PM
Huge if true:

Ukrainian army liberated Ivankiv in Kyiv region

https://i.imgur.com/4rZPN0E.jpg

Ivankiv is the only river crossing on the whole front. If the Ukrainians control Ivankiv that means every single Russian troop south of the blue line has already left or is now trapped.

Jibartik
04-01-2022, 04:11 PM
send the nukes!

Reiwa
04-01-2022, 04:35 PM
This is a wonderfully informative video
f8ZqBLcIvw0

Don't mocking me. :mad:

Jibartik
04-01-2022, 04:40 PM
LOL nice sponsored start to that video for the likes of you all HAHAH roasted.

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 05:20 PM
Huge if true:

Ukrainian army liberated Ivankiv in Kyiv region

https://i.imgur.com/4rZPN0E.jpg

Ivankiv is the only river crossing on the whole front. If the Ukrainians control Ivankiv that means every single Russian troop south of the blue line has already left or is now trapped.

Don’t you think Russia will just dig in to keep launching artillery at kiev, making this conflict interminable until Ukraine either attacks (with heavy losses) or submits?

I think Ukraine should send everything south and East. Then again, I know nothing about war other than Russians are apparently bad at it

Jibartik
04-01-2022, 06:05 PM
serious q why level miropol and not kiev?

Trexller
04-01-2022, 07:21 PM
serious q why level miropol and not kiev?

they want the black sea territories alot more than kyiv

this war is 90% all about warm water shipping and the fact that russia has basically none of it. their major ports are all frozen 3-6 months per year

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 07:47 PM
The Russians could make a major port at Sochi if they weren’t track suit wearing morons. Hopefully the Ukrainians take Moscow

Gustoo
04-01-2022, 07:47 PM
Don't they already have the other half of the same body of water that the crimean peninsula cock blocks?

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 07:52 PM
Trexller posted a video about how crimea is a piece of shit unless you have southern Ukraine, it kind of answers the question. Still, they have tons of Black Sea territory that isn’t frozen year round probably suitable for a port. They are clearly just bottom of the barrel dumb and have been made “important” by an accident of history, IE Julius Rosenberg

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 07:54 PM
The funny thing is, Russia faces a grave strategic threat: China

They should’ve begged to be admitted into NATO and the EU. Instead, vitali Klitschko will order their men to be put to the sword when he’s crowned Byzantine Emperor

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 07:57 PM
Don't they already have the other half of the same body of water that the crimean peninsula cock blocks?

https://youtu.be/If61baWF4GE

Gustoo
04-01-2022, 08:08 PM
Trexller posted a video about how crimea is a piece of shit unless you have southern Ukraine, it kind of answers the question. S

I see, that makes sense.

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 08:12 PM
I linked the video, it’s worth a watch

Kika Maslyaka
04-01-2022, 08:22 PM
This is a wonderfully informative video about what makes the Russians so rotten.

TLDR is the Mongols destroyed Kiev, the enlightened seat of liberal thinking and Novgorod then fell to the rabid and angry Muscovites, and those guys just took over and the rest is current events.

f8ZqBLcIvw0

as a sort of amateur Russian expert, have to say, it is obviously over simplified, and there are some discrepancies, but general point overall correct

BlackBellamy
04-01-2022, 08:35 PM
Don’t you think Russia will just dig in to keep launching artillery at kiev, making this conflict interminable until Ukraine either attacks (with heavy losses) or submits?

I think Ukraine should send everything south and East. Then again, I know nothing about war other than Russians are apparently bad at it

They're out of range already. They never got into range to shell Kiev city center. They were able to shell the suburbs but that's about it. Now that they've retreated it's all over for the artillery.

They can still launch missiles at it, and bomb it from planes which would be a massive waste of assets as the Ukrainian strategy is to trade civilian lives for Russian casualties and stock depletion. The Ukrainians would love nothing more than Russians targeting civilians rather their armed forces.

It's anathema to consider civilians as anything but something to be protected in the Western way of war. For the Slavs, it's just more war materiel. And the Ukrainian civilians are totally cool with that strategy it seems.

Reiwa
04-01-2022, 08:39 PM
Trexller posted a video about how crimea is a piece of shit unless you have southern Ukraine, it kind of answers the question. Still, they have tons of Black Sea territory that isn’t frozen year round probably suitable for a port. They are clearly just bottom of the barrel dumb and have been made “important” by an accident of history, IE Julius Rosenberg

They have a Baltic ice-free in winter port I heard. No idea what a Baltic is.

Kika Maslyaka
04-01-2022, 08:50 PM
They're out of range already. They never got into range to shell Kiev city center. They were able to shell the suburbs but that's about it. Now that they've retreated it's all over for the artillery.

They can still launch missiles at it, and bomb it from planes which would be a massive waste of assets as the Ukrainian strategy is to trade civilian lives for Russian casualties and stock depletion. The Ukrainians would love nothing more than Russians targeting civilians rather their armed forces.

It's anathema to consider civilians as anything but something to be protected in the Western way of war. For the Slavs, it's just more war materiel. And the Ukrainian civilians are totally cool with that strategy it seems.


Putin's entire propaganda is based on "we only fighting Nazi" and trying to "rescue" Ukrainian population. AKA - they do not try to target civilian facilities intentionally. Ukrainian military uses that to their advantage, because they understand - the moment Putin starts directly bombing cities- he is no longer "rescuing" anyone - propaganda falls apart, and his own country can rebel.

Patriam1066
04-01-2022, 08:52 PM
Artillery can hit targets 50 miles away. They’re that far out?

Kaliningrad can be closed off via NATO. Doesn’t really count

Patriam1066
04-02-2022, 12:33 AM
Seems conventional Russian artillery is only 30 miles in range. I stand corrected

BlackBellamy
04-02-2022, 12:41 AM
I bet the effective range is 2/3 that or even worse because their gun barrels are rusted or whatever other maintenance they did not do.

Patriam1066
04-02-2022, 02:36 AM
Yeah probably true. I bet they clean them with vodka

Homesteaded
04-03-2022, 12:30 AM
Is this "War" still going on?

Trexller
04-03-2022, 12:39 AM
Is this "War" still going on?

man its tough to even call this conflict a "war"

its a lot more like a senile old man throwing eggs at his younger neighbor's house, because their trees are growing over his side of the fence.

then the other neighbors gave actual real weapons to the younger man, and now the old senile man has to grumble his way back to his house while shouting, "I think i made my point"

starkind
04-03-2022, 09:14 AM
Change thread title to: Possible for Russia to beat back Ukraine?

BlackBellamy
04-03-2022, 09:50 AM
Is this "War" still going on?

For these people, no. I wonder if they could have saved themselves from having their hands tied and being shot down in the street by the Russian scum if they only put war in quotes? Go back to sleep.

https://i.imgur.com/b3cfI3l.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/I1Pjzjk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bHYcwpI.jpg

starkind
04-03-2022, 10:02 AM
I feel for these guys.

It's why I advocate everyone take a level in warrior, rogue, and stealth archer spec first before you take levels in enchanter or wizardry or bakery.

It's also why I favor tungsten rods in space over f-35s. Let's get this shit show on the road. We got the manpower and ill be glad to clean the space toilet and mess in zero G. Or out in the field if u got a wheelchair ramp.

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 01:10 PM
For these people, no. I wonder if they could have saved themselves from having their hands tied and being shot down in the street by the Russian scum if they only put war in quotes? Go back to sleep.

https://i.imgur.com/b3cfI3l.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/I1Pjzjk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bHYcwpI.jpg

I don't see any blood

Shouldn't there be pools of it

starkind
04-03-2022, 01:11 PM
I don't see any blood

People stop bleeding when they are dead. It's been raining and snowing and freezing and muddy. Don't get sucked in looking for bloodstains with zoom and enhance.

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 01:12 PM
People stop bleeding when they are dead.

Did they bleed somewhere else?

Where's all the blood that should be there

Patriam1066
04-03-2022, 01:18 PM
Is this "War" still going on?

What is the meaning of this comment? You on drugs or just Qanon ?

Patriam1066
04-03-2022, 01:19 PM
Did they bleed somewhere else?

Where's all the blood that should be there

Do you think this entire conflict is just a bunch of crisis actors on CNN? Man the deep state is getting really good at mind control

starkind
04-03-2022, 01:21 PM
Did they bleed somewhere else?

Where's all the blood that should be there

Blood! Blood! Blood makes the green grass grow! It's got electrolytes, what plants crave!

(Yes, I'm a heathen).

Horza
04-03-2022, 01:25 PM
Do you think this entire conflict is just a bunch of crisis actors on CNN? Man the deep state is getting really good at mind control

Whatever it takes to keep the narrative going that Trump's BFF is anything but a ruthless butcher having every male Ukrainian he can get his hands on between 16 and 60 killed.

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 01:28 PM
Do you think this entire conflict is just a bunch of crisis actors on CNN? Man the deep state is getting really good at mind control

lol dude

I'm just makin an observation

Where's the blood?

Trexller
04-03-2022, 01:59 PM
lol dude

I'm just makin an observation

Where's the blood?

it looks like they were killed execution style, if so then their bodies were probably moved post-mortem and a little rain washed the bodies off?

either way those images are downright nasty, im no lawyer but i smell a war crime.

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 02:22 PM
it looks like they were killed execution style, if so then their bodies were probably moved post-mortem and a little rain washed the bodies off?

either way those images are downright nasty, im no lawyer but i smell a war crime.

Perhaps

Why go through the trouble of moving them randomly about?

Patriam1066
04-03-2022, 02:32 PM
it looks like they were killed execution style, if so then their bodies were probably moved post-mortem and a little rain washed the bodies off?

either way those images are downright nasty, im no lawyer but i smell a war crime.

Definitely war crimes

Trexller
04-03-2022, 02:47 PM
Perhaps

Why go through the trouble of moving them randomly about?

to avoid accusations of a war crime

we don't have any other info on those images, not even their location.

they could even be russians who were found to be sympathetic or even aiding the ukrainians.

but we know for damn sure that executing POWs in that manner is a war crime.

the only way this is NOT a war crime is if those individuals were spies, or if they were russian nationals subject to the russian's code of military justice

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 02:52 PM
to avoid accusations of a war crime

we don't have any other info on those images, not even their location.

they could even be russians who were found to be sympathetic or even aiding the ukrainians.

but we know for damn sure that executing POWs in that manner is a war crime.

the only way this is NOT a war crime is if those individuals were spies, or if they were russian nationals subject to the russian's code of military justice

Wouldn't you want to hide the evidence instead of moving it randomly about in plain sight?

Patriam1066
04-03-2022, 02:56 PM
Do you have time to do that when you’re getting your ass kicked and you need to get across the border before a 6’6” ukrainian lowers a Viking axe into your cranium?

Russia is guilty + dumb & weak (SAD BIGLY), move to resolved

Trexller
04-03-2022, 03:04 PM
Wouldn't you want to hide the evidence instead of moving it randomly about in plain sight?

there isn't enough information to draw any conclusion, or to even opine on what happened

i just outlined the only 2 scenarios in which that style of execution would not be a war crime, in any likelihood though, its totally a war crime.

starkind
04-03-2022, 03:07 PM
Once someone zip ties u it's really ez to bag and suffocate. That obviously didn't happen to the guy on the bike.

I too would like to know more.

They look like real freshly thawed corpsicles to me tho. Not crisis actors. It's possible Ukrainians posed them. Who knows.

Do you have time to do that when you’re getting your ass kicked and you need to get across the border before a 6’6” ukrainian lowers a Viking axe into your cranium?

Russia is guilty + dumb & weak (SAD BIGLY), move to resolved

Agreed. Looks hasty. Looks like the guys where camping and there's even a water bottle there. Probably just killed once they surrendered and the Russians moved on after looting.

I'm not saying every Russian lacks honor or integrity. Most seem to tho. And very cowardly. Desperate. Not the good guys. Don't support Putin or his bullshit anymore. You're not doing the Russians or Ukrainian any favors.

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 04:02 PM
there isn't enough information to draw any conclusion, or to even opine on what happened

i just outlined the only 2 scenarios in which that style of execution would not be a war crime, in any likelihood though, its totally a war crime.

How do you know they are even dead?

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 04:14 PM
Once someone zip ties u it's really ez to bag and suffocate. That obviously didn't happen to the guy on the bike.

Why bother with the trouble of suffocating? That takes time.

Why not just shoot them in the head and be done with it. Also, if bags were used to suffocate some of them, why remove the bag after they are dead? To hide the evidence?

Trexller
04-03-2022, 04:19 PM
How do you know they are even dead?

there isn't enough information to draw any conclusion, or to even opine on what happened

i just outlined the only 2 scenarios in which that style of execution would not be a war crime, in any likelihood though, its totally a war crime.

I do know that the russians are fucking brutal against civilians in warfare.

I do know that when the soviets stormed their way through germany in 1944, a platoon sized group ran a gang-rape train on my great grandmother and her cousins.

they were the unlucky young german girls among millions of others.

they then immediately married the first americans who would agree to take them out of that hell. one was a master sergeant, my great-grandfather.

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 04:27 PM
I do know that the russians are fucking brutal against civilians in warfare.

I do know that when the soviets stormed their way through germany in 1944, a platoon sized group ran a gang-rape train on my great grandmother and her cousins.

they were the unlucky young german girls among millions of others.

they then immediately married the first americans who would agree to take them out of that hell. one was a master sergeant, my great-grandfather.

I agree with you. The Soviets were brutal to the Germans when they took Berlin, but that was a different time,a much different war and the soviets had just their country invaded by the nazis and were repaying them for what they did to russian civilians

Maybe this is a real massacre in Ukraine, but no blood? Not making any sense man

For all we know after the russians left they zip tied a few civilians, had them lay on the ground, snapped some pics and made a few short videos to throw up on social media

Propaganda is one the most potent weapons of warfare

Trexller
04-03-2022, 04:29 PM
I agree with you. The Soviets were brutal to the Germans when they took Berlin, but that was a different time,a much different war and the soviets had just their country invaded by the nazis and were repaying them for what they did to russian civilians

Maybe this is a real massacre in Ukraine, but no blood? Not making any sense man

For all we know after the russians left they zip tied a few civilians, had them lay on the ground, snapped some pics and made a few short videos to throw up on social media

Propaganda is one the most potent weapons of warfare

russia invaded ukraine under embarassingly false pretenses, because putin is a little bitch.

who gives a flying fuck if ukraine stages some photos? they are WELL WITHIN their rights to wage open warfare however they see fit, if they nuked moscow, the entire world would just shrug and say, "what goes around comes around"

you're dangerously close to simping for putin, you sound like tucker carlson.

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 04:36 PM
russia invaded ukraine under embarassingly false pretenses, because putin is a little bitch.

who gives a flying fuck if ukraine stages some photos? they are WELL WITHIN their rights to wage open warfare however they see fit, if they nuked moscow, the entire world would just shrug and say, "what goes around comes around"

you're dangerously close to simping for putin, you sound like tucker carlson.

I don't give a shit about Russia or Ukraine

I just don't see any blood lol

Trexller
04-03-2022, 04:41 PM
I don't give a shit about Russia or Ukraine

then what are you doing in this thread?

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 04:47 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/03/europe/bucha-ukraine-civilian-deaths-intl/index.html

Bodies of 'executed people' strewn across street in Bucha as Ukraine accuses Russia of war crimes

Corpses of executed people still line the Yabluska street in Bucha. Their hands are tied behind their backs with white 'civilian' rags, they were shot in the back of their heads. So you can imagine what kind of lawlessness they perpetrated here," Bucha mayor Anatoliy Fedoruk told Reuters on Saturday.

Where's the blood?

Horza
04-03-2022, 04:53 PM
you're dangerously close to simping for putin, you sound like tucker carlson.

Are you just new here or something? :p

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 05:19 PM
17385

17386

Homesteaded
04-03-2022, 05:37 PM
My comment was meaning that I haven’t heard much about it lately. The news is an opt in subscription service. It serves no real purpose but to outrage you. Seek Christ and black dirt.

Gravydoo II
04-03-2022, 06:05 PM
Dude has never heard of internal bleeding..

Patriam1066
04-03-2022, 06:52 PM
17385

17386

I’m glad you came out and said it was faked. You were implying it for 15 posts

Real shame you’re in that information loop bud. Hungary put sanctions on Russia. Victor Orban sucks more Russian dick than you do and he acknowledged reality. Time for you to grow up and do the same

Trexller
04-03-2022, 07:39 PM
Where's the blood?


maybe they were strangled

maybe it rained after those people were shot

maybe it is all staged

maybe they died to nothing more than the shockwave from a nearby explosion, in this case it fucks up the body internally, and they would only bleed a slight trickle from orifices

this story broke today afaik, its too early for us to draw conclusions. I doubt there has even been an autopsy conducted yet, or even if it ever will.

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 08:04 PM
maybe they were strangled

maybe it rained after those people were shot

maybe it is all staged

maybe they died to nothing more than the shockwave from a nearby explosion, in this case it fucks up the body internally, and they would only bleed a slight trickle from orifices

this story broke today afaik, its too early for us to draw conclusions. I doubt there has even been an autopsy conducted yet, or even if it ever will.

maybe

seems about as credible as the Ghost of Kiev and Snake island tho

Trexller
04-03-2022, 08:18 PM
maybe

seems about as credible as the Ghost of Kiev and Snake island tho

yeah 95% of all the information we have about the ukraine conflict is speculative.

we aren't going to know jack shit until various governments declassify information, and refugees and survivors start writing tell-all books.

gotta understand that even tho its russia vs. ukraine, alot of information that comes out of there is currently a national security concern for many other countries, and is therefore very limited.

one example: rumors have been going around and around that the only reason that ukraine has been so effective against russia is that they are being guided by, or have been given access to Joint NATO Allied intelligence services.

Hundreds of perfect shots against tanks and aircraft, pinpoint accuracy on artillery strikes, and literally everywhere the russians have gone, Ukrainian forces were already there and prepared to engage them.

So they are definitely, absolutely working with western intelligence services, ukraine didn't have that kind of info-gathering capability, or at least they didn't 35 days ago.

Now that we can all but confirm that western intelligence is giving ukraine every bit of info needed to beat the russians, it has to remain under some modicum of a veil of secrecy, lest the russians decide that NATO has crossed 'the thin red line' and then nukes Brussels.

it will take time for real and reliable info to get out to the world, and speculating on what if this, what about that, is nothing more than an exercise in futility.

robayon
04-03-2022, 08:21 PM
maybe

seems about as credible as the Ghost of Kiev and Snake island thoyou've got some pretty baffling standards for what makes 'real news' different from 'fake news'

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 08:29 PM
you've got some pretty baffling standards for what makes 'real news' different from 'fake news'

I don't get my news from fake russian dossiers manufactured from Hillary Clinton like you did

Reiwa
04-03-2022, 08:44 PM
I don't get my news from fake russian dossiers manufactured from Hillary Clinton like you did

Gowdy: There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. (https://www.npr.org/2018/02/04/583122003/gowdy-there-s-going-to-be-a-russia-probe-even-without-a-dossier)

No-- not to me, it doesn't — and I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it. There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 09:05 PM
Gowdy: There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. (https://www.npr.org/2018/02/04/583122003/gowdy-there-s-going-to-be-a-russia-probe-even-without-a-dossier)

All of it was Fake News brah

Just like Hunter Biden laptop being "Russian Disinformation"

Nice try tho

Horza
04-03-2022, 09:10 PM
I don't get my news from fake russian dossiers manufactured from Hillary Clinton like you did

Hillary killed hundreds of Ukrainian civilians execution style as the Russian army retreated, that makes sense to me.

Reiwa
04-03-2022, 09:11 PM
All of it was Fake News brah

Just like Hunter Biden laptop being "Russian Disinformation"

Nice try tho

Take it up with the Republican Russia committee, don't kill the messenger. :p

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 09:14 PM
Take it up with the Republican Russia committee, don't kill the messenger. :p

Your article is from 2018 dude ....

Did you bother to check the date?

robayon
04-03-2022, 09:15 PM
All of it was Fake News brah

Just like Hunter Biden laptop being "Russian Disinformation"

Nice try tholog off youtube go outside

starkind
04-03-2022, 09:20 PM
Elizondo needs a coloring book.

Reiwa
04-03-2022, 09:20 PM
Your article is from 2018 dude ....

Did you bother to check the date?

How does that change anything? He's saying the Dossier don't matter and never mattered 4 years before you did. Isn't that thing your main beef?

Patriam1066
04-03-2022, 09:55 PM
Elizondo needs a coloring book.

I lol’ed

This is a dunk

Gravydoo II
04-03-2022, 09:56 PM
Elizondo needs a coloring book.

LOL

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 10:09 PM
How does that change anything? He's saying the Dossier don't matter and never mattered 4 years before you did. Isn't that thing your main beef?

The dossier was reported as fact for years from the same media who said Hunter's laptop was "Russian Disinformation"

and no he never said the steele dossier didn't matter. Again, nice try

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trey-gowdy-face-the-nation-fisa-surveillance-warrant-would-not-have-been-authorized-without-dossier/

Gowdy says surveillance warrant would not have been authorized without dossier

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina, one of the four authors of the GOP memo released Friday, told CBS News' "Face the Nation" that he believes a surveillance warrant for former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page would not have ever been authorized without the existence of the controversial "Steele dossier."

Reiwa
04-03-2022, 10:16 PM
The dossier was reported as fact for years from the same media who said Hunter's laptop was "Russian Disinformation"

and no he never said the steele dossier didn't matter. Again, nice try

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trey-gowdy-face-the-nation-fisa-surveillance-warrant-would-not-have-been-authorized-without-dossier/


Gowdy says surveillance warrant would not have been authorized without dossier

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina, one of the four authors of the GOP memo released Friday, told CBS News' "Face the Nation" that he believes a surveillance warrant for former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page would not have ever been authorized without the existence of the controversial "Steele dossier."

From your link:

"Not to me, it doesn't, and I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it," Gowdy said, asked if the memo has an impact on the Russia probe. "There is a Russia investigation without a dossier."

Carter Page is one thing, the Russia investigation is another.

Elizondo needs a coloring book.

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 10:33 PM
From your link:



Carter Page is one thing, the Russia investigation is another.

The Russia Probe that found no collusion?

That one?

Reiwa
04-03-2022, 10:40 PM
The Russia Probe that found no collusion?

That one?

Huh? Mueller said it wouldn't be appropriate for him to charge his boss, as a servant of the executive.

He fulfilled the US v Nixon complaint without you bozos even noticing. 🤡

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 10:42 PM
Huh? Mueller said it wouldn't be appropriate for him to charge his boss, as a servant of the executive.

He fulfilled the US v Nixon complaint without you bozos even noticing. 🤡

lol dude

Reiwa still a true believer

Anyways, I said "news" from a manufactured dossier from Hillary Clinton (which is true) and you're digging yet another rabbit hole trying to debate The Mueller probe

Textbook Reiwa

Elizondo
04-03-2022, 11:04 PM
I guess I did chew the scenery a bit. 🐕

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/trey-gowdys-war-on-the-steele-dossier

Trey Gowdy’s War on the Steele Dossier

Why all this new high-stakes maneuvering? Time and events have bolstered the dossier’s credibility. “The outline of Russian interference in the election that Steele had assembled by June 2016 was months ahead of what anybody else had gathered,” says John Sipher, a 28-year veteran C.I.A. officer who was stationed in Moscow at the same time Steele worked for British intelligence in Russia, and who wrote a detailed analysis of the dossier’s credibility for the blog JustSecurity.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dnc-clinton-steele-dossier-funding-fine_n_624559cce4b0d7ac3d56089d

DNC To Pay $113,000 To Settle Steele Dossier Funding Investigation

NEW YORK (AP) —Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee have agreed to pay $113,000 to settle a Federal Election Commission investigation into whether they violated campaign finance law by misreporting spending on research that eventually became the infamous Steele dossier.

Reiwa
04-03-2022, 11:06 PM
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/trey-gowdys-war-on-the-steele-dossier



https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dnc-clinton-steele-dossier-funding-fine_n_624559cce4b0d7ac3d56089d

He said the Russia investigation was legit without it.

This is partisan noise, my good chum.

Botten
04-04-2022, 12:30 AM
lol dude

Reiwa still a true believer

Anyways, I said "news" from a manufactured dossier from Hillary Clinton (which is true) and you're digging yet another rabbit hole trying to debate The Mueller probe

Textbook Reiwa

Regardless of what the dossier was seen as it did its job in pushing the investigation.

And Mueller got convictions from the criminals OWN GUILTY PLEAs. As in they admitted guilt.

The investigation resulted in charges against 34 individuals and 3 companies, 8 guilty pleas, and a conviction at trial.

The Mueller report successfully showed there was Russian interference in the election of 2016.

And the Hunter Biden laptop story was just stupid rerun tactic to inject fake material along with other information on the laptop as done with Hillary's E-mails; didn't even update the con job.

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 12:56 AM
How did we get to Hunter Biden from Ukraine? Hunter Biden is a ducking scum bag dude, who gives a shit. Putin is the devil incarnate

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 01:02 AM
He said the Russia investigation was legit without it.

In 2018

Regardless of what the dossier was seen as it did its job in pushing the investigation.

Which proves my point

Fake investigation started under false pretenses

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 01:08 AM
???

This absolves Russia of war crimes for killing civilians in cold blood how??

Reiwa
04-04-2022, 01:11 AM
In 2018



Which proves my point

Fake investigation started under false pretenses

It doesn't. Gowdy said as much at the time.

Revisionism sucks, Lib.

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 01:35 AM
It doesn't. Gowdy said as much at the time.

Revisionism sucks, Lib.

in 2018

How do you now Gowdy didn't want the investigation to continue for reasons that wouldn't have proved collusion, but instead would have exposed corrupt behavior from the cia and fbi?

Gowdy spent years completely dismantling all aspects of the russian collusion nonsense and exposing it for the hoax that it was. Maybe you weren't aware of that.

Horza
04-04-2022, 02:47 AM
???

This absolves Russia of war crimes for killing civilians in cold blood how??

Spend enough time watching Tucker and every topic will eventually come around to Hunter's laptop.

Jimjam
04-04-2022, 03:18 AM
and every topic will eventually come around to Hunter's laptop.

But does it run DOOM?

Homesteaded
04-04-2022, 09:04 AM
Wait there are still folks out there who believe the Russian collusion narrative? Truly amazing.

Trexller
04-04-2022, 09:11 AM
How did we get to Hunter Biden from Ukraine? Hunter Biden is a ducking scum bag dude, who gives a shit. Putin is the devil incarnate

+1 this

Botten
04-04-2022, 09:35 AM
Wait there are still folks out there who believe the Russian collusion narrative? Truly amazing.

Russian interfered with 2016 elections. They had a whole report on it with guilty pleas.
Collusion was for the senate to decide and always was. Wake up.

Reiwa
04-04-2022, 10:16 AM
in 2018

How do you now Gowdy didn't want the investigation to continue for reasons that wouldn't have proved collusion, but instead would have exposed corrupt behavior from the cia and fbi?

Gowdy spent years completely dismantling all aspects of the russian collusion nonsense and exposing it for the hoax that it was. Maybe you weren't aware of that.

Carter Page surveillance =! Russia investigation as a whole.

Trexller
04-04-2022, 10:31 AM
Russian interfered with 2016 elections. They had a whole report on it with guilty pleas.
Collusion was for the senate to decide and always was. Wake up.

yeah the US has never fucked around with elections or coups in any other nation, nope, never.

Botten
04-04-2022, 10:47 AM
yeah the US has never fucked around with elections or coups in any other nation, nope, never.

heh, want to start yeah but what-about in a Russian thread. Seems fitting.

BlackBellamy
04-04-2022, 10:58 AM
I don't see any blood

Shouldn't there be pools of it

You're looking at it! It's in the pictures you are looking at. See that stain next to the guys head? It's blood. A pool of blood.

https://i.imgur.com/2I0HcII.jpg

His hands are shriveled indicating he's been laying there for days. And it's been raining and snowing for days. Any other questions about the amount of blood shown?

See that other picture, where the guy against the wall has his documents placed on him? See the crimson dirt by his head? Blood.

And no, there shouldn't be "pools" of it because real life doesn't behave like your Hollywood special-effects and your goddamn idiot video games. It rains in real life. Time passes in real life.

That's how come you point to a decayed glove-covered hand from a corpse that has been laying in the street for days and say stupidly is this a mannequin?

I was wondering how can people claim Sandy Hook had crisis actors. But in a large enough population you'll definitely find some crazy motherfuckers who need to feel special. And there you are. Maybe that will become the rallying cry now. "Where's the REAL blood?!?!" they'll shout as they post pictures of cans of red paint.

Trexller
04-04-2022, 11:21 AM
heh, want to start yeah but what-about in a Russian thread. Seems fitting.

you're the fuckin retard who brought it up first, and then expected us to let it go

robayon
04-04-2022, 11:43 AM
Spend enough time watching Tucker and every topic will eventually come around to Hunter's laptop.it is amazing to me that these right wing fellas can think, possibly correctly, that the dossier thing was lies but refuse to consider that maybe that stupid laptop is also lies

it's sort of like they only believe propaganda that harms their opponents but swallow everything else whole as they are gullible children

"there is no possible explanation for the lack of blood!" as if every single picture of dead people is supposed to look like a doom level

Trexller
04-04-2022, 11:51 AM
it is amazing to me that these right wing fellas can think, possibly correctly, that the dossier thing was lies but refuse to consider that maybe that stupid laptop is also lies

it's sort of like they only believe propaganda that harms their opponents but swallow everything else whole as they are gullible children

"there is no possible explanation for the lack of blood!" as if every single picture of dead people is supposed to look like a doom level

i can agree to this, literally everyone in the world has something on their hard drive that could be used against them

in my opinion the only thing that could be of any issue on hunters laptop is anything that would PROVE power brokering.

i don't care about crack pipes or nude selfies, thats really none of my business.

robayon
04-04-2022, 12:02 PM
i can agree to this, literally everyone in the world has something on their hard drive that could be used against them

in my opinion the only thing that could be of any issue on hunters laptop is anything that would PROVE power brokering.

i don't care about crack pipes or nude selfies, thats really none of my business.yep. the problems are systemic, not specific to any american political party or even america. or any economic system, as much as i whine about capitalism it's not like power brokering doesn't take place this way or similarly in china or russia or ... anywhere really.

i really don't see what's so hard for a fella like Elizondo to simply use the phrase 'i don't know what to believe' but i am forgetting about his overwhelming arrogance i guess

starkind
04-04-2022, 12:03 PM
You're looking at it! It's in the pictures you are looking at. See that stain next to the guys head? It's blood. A pool of blood.

https://i.imgur.com/2I0HcII.jpg

His hands are shriveled indicating he's been laying there for days. And it's been raining and snowing for days. Any other questions about the amount of blood shown?

See that other picture, where the guy against the wall has his documents placed on him? See the crimson dirt by his head? Blood.

And no, there shouldn't be "pools" of it because real life doesn't behave like your Hollywood special-effects and your goddamn idiot video games. It rains in real life. Time passes in real life.

That's how come you point to a decayed glove-covered hand from a corpse that has been laying in the street for days and say stupidly is this a mannequin?

I was wondering how can people claim Sandy Hook had crisis actors. But in a large enough population you'll definitely find some crazy motherfuckers who need to feel special. And there you are. Maybe that will become the rallying cry now. "Where's the REAL blood?!?!" they'll shout as they post pictures of cans of red paint.

Elizondo on body bag detail so he she or it can get educated.

I wanted to say all u did just now yesterday. Didn't have it in me.

Thank you.

I was even going to link to an article about the hand shriveling just didn't have it left in me to argue.

Elizondo I still recommend coloring books. Here's a good one. 1st one I found. Looks great.

https://members.ptl.org/code/products.php?view=USPJNLT-WMRE&gclid=CjwKCAjwrqqSBhBbEiwAlQeqGnmQ4iry7ejvxA2PX_LG B3eDghYkBEq6tb_w5SmQzlBb-afLQ7BCnhoC9r0QAvD_BwE

Trexller
04-04-2022, 12:06 PM
yep. the problems are systemic, not specific to any american political party or even america. or any economic system, as much as i whine about capitalism it's not like power brokering doesn't take place this way or similarly in china or russia or ... anywhere really.

i really don't see what's so hard for a fella like Elizondo to simply use the phrase 'i don't know what to believe' but i am forgetting about his overwhelming arrogance i guess

if you're a bitter person and dont like someone, its easy and fun to pick apart the little things that are otherwise trivial.

robayon
04-04-2022, 12:12 PM
if you're a bitter person and dont like someone, its easy and fun to pick apart the little things that are otherwise trivial.welcome to p1999 off topic, where we are all spider man pointing at spider man

Trexller
04-04-2022, 12:51 PM
welcome to p1999 off topic, where we are all spider man pointing at spider man

Happy to be here!

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 12:59 PM
So back on a Ukraine topic, does Victor orban’s victory derail EU sanctions? That guy is a real shit head. I’m hoping Ukraine invades Russia and Hungary

(I kid, but I suspect it’s bad news for EU coherence on Russia)

starkind
04-04-2022, 01:01 PM
welcome to p1999 off topic, where we are all spider man pointing at spider man

Me too?

robayon
04-04-2022, 01:07 PM
Me too?I dunno you don't seem as bitter as some of the rest of us but you have your fun :)

Jibartik
04-04-2022, 01:23 PM
Get ready for gas and food shut downs where we all work from home to reduce gas & food prices based on the covid conditioning, all thanks to ukraine psyop organized by the masonlaminati, and soon we will all be running around like will smiths eating each other.

starkind
04-04-2022, 01:23 PM
I dunno you don't seem as bitter as some of the rest of us but you have your fun :)



:p


Get ready for gas and food shut downs where we all work from home to reduce gas & food prices based on the covid conditioning, all thanks to ukraine psyop organized by the masonlaminati, and soon we will all be running around like will smiths eating each other.




We need to do it anyway 🙏✨

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 01:27 PM
I would love to work from home

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 01:46 PM
You're looking at it! It's in the pictures you are looking at. See that stain next to the guys head? It's blood. A pool of blood.

https://i.imgur.com/2I0HcII.jpg

His hands are shriveled indicating he's been laying there for days. And it's been raining and snowing for days. Any other questions about the amount of blood shown?

See that other picture, where the guy against the wall has his documents placed on him? See the crimson dirt by his head? Blood.

And no, there shouldn't be "pools" of it because real life doesn't behave like your Hollywood special-effects and your goddamn idiot video games. It rains in real life. Time passes in real life.

That's how come you point to a decayed glove-covered hand from a corpse that has been laying in the street for days and say stupidly is this a mannequin?

I was wondering how can people claim Sandy Hook had crisis actors. But in a large enough population you'll definitely find some crazy motherfuckers who need to feel special. And there you are. Maybe that will become the rallying cry now. "Where's the REAL blood?!?!" they'll shout as they post pictures of cans of red paint.

That could be anything. You don't know if that's blood. It's looks like a piece of clothing or some other type of debris. Not blood.

Sandy Hook? wtf dude, we're talking about War Propaganda here. Both sides engage in it. Don't pretend like they don't.

Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island were plastered all over the front pages of 'the news' and both turned out to be totally fabricated. Western media took information given to them by the Ukrainian Government as FACT and ran with it without verifying any of it.

The footage is from the Ukrainian Government. It was given to our media and once again they just ran with it. No verification AT ALL.

She admits this in the below video @ 8:35

GcztbduF4mU?start=515

Now MSNBC is literally calling for WW3

17391

I'm more convinced now that it's a staged hoax and just war propaganda from Ukraine

Either that, or the azovs rolled in and killed these people if it's real

Mayor of Bucha announced liberation on March 31. No mention of atrocities

https://www.facebook.com/bucharada.gov.ua/videos/270161321982745/

Azovs moved in the next day

We didn't get accusations of war crimes until after the Azovs moved in (Apr 3) and they are literally nazis. Maybe they slaughtered these people (if it's real)

Either way, I don't want WW3. I don't want yet another endless war, this time with a country that has nuclear weapons where potentially millions could die. Nobody is questioning anything and ready to jump into a hot war with russia like you're playing Call of Duty.

Get a grip dude. Maybe we're being lied to by the same people that lied to us about the russia hoax and 'laptop was russian disinfo' and they have their own motivations for war that has nothing to do anything remotely humanitarian

Botten
04-04-2022, 02:00 PM
you're the fuckin retard who brought it up first, and then expected us to let it go

Says the guy trying to introduce a what-about argument in a Russian thread.

Jibartik
04-04-2022, 02:00 PM
get ready this is not a game folks!

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 02:03 PM
That could be anything. You don't know if that's blood. It's looks like a piece of clothing or some other type of debris. Not blood.

Sandy Hook? wtf dude, we're talking about War Propaganda here. Both sides engage in it. Don't pretend like they don't.

Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island were plastered all over the front pages of 'the news' and both turned out to be totally fabricated. Western media took information given to them by the Ukrainian Government as FACT and ran with it without verifying any of it.

The footage is from the Ukrainian Government. It was given to our media and once again they just ran with it. No verification AT ALL.

She admits this in the below video @ 8:35

GcztbduF4mU?start=515

Now MSNBC is literally calling for WW3

17391

I'm more convinced now that it's a staged hoax and just war propaganda from Ukraine

Either that, or the azovs rolled in and killed these people if it's real

Mayor of Bucha announced liberation on March 31. No mention of atrocities

https://www.facebook.com/bucharada.gov.ua/videos/270161321982745/

Azovs moved in the next day

We didn't get accusations of war crimes until after the Azovs moved in (Apr 3) and they are literally nazis. Maybe they slaughtered these people (if it's real)

Either way, I don't want WW3. I don't want yet another endless war, this time with a country that has nuclear weapons where potentially millions could die. Nobody is questioning anything and ready to jump into a hot war with russia like you're playing Call of Duty.

Get a grip dude. Maybe we're being lied to by the same people that lied to us about the russia hoax and 'laptop was russian disinfo' and they have their own motivations for war that has nothing to do anything remotely humanitarian

You’re nuts man. Your information sources are more accurate than every government in Europe? Based on what, your own “research?”

Jesus Christ man Russia invaded Ukraine, Nazis didn’t invade Russia in 2022

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 02:07 PM
Everyone remember when elizondo started by saying “I’m just asking questions,” and now that he’s been refuted on all counts he’s saying the Azovs killed Ukrainians? I guess there actually is blood then!

SAD BIGLY YUUUUGE disingenuous liar

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 02:12 PM
Everyone remember when elizondo started by saying “I’m just asking questions,” and now that he’s been refuted on all counts he’s saying the Azovs killed Ukrainians? I guess there actually is blood then!

SAD BIGLY YUUUUGE disingenuous liar

lol dude

I didn't say the Azovs killed anyone. Maybe, maybe not

Still don't see any blood though!

You’re nuts man. Your information sources are more accurate than every government in Europe? Based on what, your own “research?”

Jesus Christ man Russia invaded Ukraine, Nazis didn’t invade Russia in 2022

The information source is the Ukrainian Government

Why are you so gullible and stupid?

Jibartik
04-04-2022, 02:14 PM
https://i.imgur.com/EQ0T5as.gif
https://i.imgur.com/FW1yEfb.gif
https://i.imgur.com/IAUH67F.gif

robayon
04-04-2022, 02:17 PM
Why are you so gullible and stupid?i am in awe of your lack of self awareness

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 02:22 PM
lol dude

I didn't say the Azovs killed anyone. Maybe, maybe not

Still don't see any blood though!



The information source is the Ukrainian Government

Why are you so gullible and stupid?

There are journalists with them, not all Putin simps like yourself haha

Stick with the coloring book starkind suggested

Gravydoo II
04-04-2022, 02:33 PM
You cant tell someone they are brainwashed. They have to just figure it out on their own. They just recede further into their own stupidity when confronted with reality.

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 02:34 PM
https://i.imgur.com/EQ0T5as.gif
https://i.imgur.com/FW1yEfb.gif
https://i.imgur.com/IAUH67F.gif

No we’re not dude. There are 100 million Slavs waiting to slaughter every Russian on earth for this. Have faith in your nation to keep us clear of conflict, even as we again show the world that the communists are Godless pieces of shit

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 02:38 PM
You cant tell someone they are brainwashed. They have to just figure it out on their own. They just recede further into their own stupidity when confronted with reality.

I saved my Kentucky redneck brother in law from opioids long after he destroyed his relationship with my sister and my nephew. There’s hope I think, I am the redneck whisperer

Gravydoo II
04-04-2022, 02:40 PM
Congrats. I'm really stoked you didnt have to bury him before he learned. Good on you bro.

Horza
04-04-2022, 02:47 PM
Everyone remember when elizondo started by saying “I’m just asking questions,” and now that he’s been refuted on all counts he’s saying the Azovs killed Ukrainians? I guess there actually is blood then!

SAD BIGLY YUUUUGE disingenuous liar

At least he's admitting he's been totally convinced by the Russian disinformation campaign and stopped just acting all coy and shit.

Gustoo
04-04-2022, 03:00 PM
I saved my Kentucky redneck brother in law from opioids long after he destroyed his relationship with my sister and my nephew. There’s hope I think, I am the redneck whisperer

Official nomination for Patriam1066 hero of project 1999 emu messageboards for 2022.

Good work.

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 03:06 PM
There are journalists with them, not all Putin simps like yourself haha

Stick with the coloring book starkind suggested

You didn't watch the interview with Zelensky lol

Reiwa
04-04-2022, 03:08 PM
At least he's admitting he's been totally convinced by the Russian disinformation campaign and stopped just acting all coy and shit.

Some of the lies about Ukraine are true though.

Ukraine has a mixed economic system in which there is a limited private freedom, combined with centralized economic planning and government regulation. (https://globaledge.msu.edu/countries/ukraine)

FREEDOM IN THE WORLD 2021 (https://freedomhouse.org/country/ukraine/freedom-world/2021)
Ukraine
PARTLY FREE
60
100
Political Rights 26 40
Civil Liberties 34 60
LAST YEAR'S SCORE & STATUS
62 100 Partly Free

Trexller
04-04-2022, 03:08 PM
Sometimes pages in threads go by too fast for folks to actually understand and then internalize genuine brilliance so, for your reading pleasure, again:

95% of all the information we have about the ukraine conflict is speculative.

we aren't going to know jack shit until various governments declassify information, and refugees and survivors start writing tell-all books.

gotta understand that even tho its russia vs. ukraine, alot of information that comes out of there is currently a national security concern for many other countries, and is therefore very limited.

one example: rumors have been going around and around that the only reason that ukraine has been so effective against russia is that they are being guided by, or have been given access to Joint NATO Allied intelligence services.

Hundreds of perfect shots against tanks and aircraft, pinpoint accuracy on artillery strikes, and literally everywhere the russians have gone, Ukrainian forces were already there and prepared to engage them.

So they are definitely, absolutely working with western intelligence services, ukraine didn't have that kind of info-gathering capability, or at least they didn't 35 days ago.

Now that we can all but confirm that western intelligence is giving ukraine every bit of info needed to beat the russians, it has to remain under some modicum of a veil of secrecy, lest the russians decide that NATO has crossed 'the thin red line' and then nukes Brussels.

it will take time for real and reliable info to get out to the world, and speculating on what if this, what about that, is nothing more than an exercise in futility.

robayon
04-04-2022, 03:12 PM
FREEDOM IN THE WORLD 2021 (https://freedomhouse.org/country/ukraine/freedom-world/2021)Primary funding for Freedom House’s programs comes in the form of grants from USAID and U.S. State Department, as well as from other democratic governments—Canada, the EU, the Netherlands, Norway, and Sweden—and from private foundations, including the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation and the Ford Foundation

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 03:16 PM
Some of the lies about Ukraine are true though.



FREEDOM IN THE WORLD 2021 (https://freedomhouse.org/country/ukraine/freedom-world/2021)
Ukraine
PARTLY FREE
60
100
Political Rights 26 40
Civil Liberties 34 60
LAST YEAR'S SCORE & STATUS
62 100 Partly Free

I think it’s clear they don’t want to be ruled by Russia? They were ruled by the Soviet Union until 30 years ago. Only the Baltic states have completely democratized following that history

Not sure why this matters or why you keep making this “point.” Donbas did not have a rebellion until Putin got mad in 2014. It’s like blaming navalny for being poisoned. They weren’t spontaneous

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 03:18 PM
Crazies want WW3 over potentially just a mannequin

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 03:21 PM
Crazies want WW3 over potentially just a mannequin

No one wants world war 3 ya big dummy. It wouldn’t be much if a war anyway, Russia is getting curb stomped by boxers in track suits (SAD!)

Finland and Poland would take Moscow in a conventional conflict. Our military would do to Russia what the FBI did to cliven bundy

Reiwa
04-04-2022, 03:21 PM
I think it’s clear they don’t want to be ruled by Russia? They were ruled by the Soviet Union until 30 years ago. Only the Baltic states have completely democratized following that history

Not sure why this matters or why you keep making this “point.” Donbas did not have a rebellion until Putin got mad in 2014. It’s like blaming navalny for being poisoned. They weren’t spontaneous

What makes the Ukrainian state any more legitimate than the Russian state?

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 03:22 PM
You didn't watch the interview with Zelensky lol

Did you watch Victor Orban’s victory speech? He’s a whack job if I’ve ever seen one. Weird, incoherent stuff!

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 03:23 PM
What makes the Ukrainian state any more legitimate than the Russian state?

Not poisoning political opponents and invading foreign nations, for one

But again, Ukraine is defending its own territory under international law. You aren’t making the point you think you’re making

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 03:24 PM
Zelensky and Hillary have you all fooled. Wake up and accept Putin for the peacemaker that he is, sheeple.

Speaking of bloodthirsty crazies that want WW3

Jimjam
04-04-2022, 03:24 PM
That could be anything. You don't know if that's blood. It's looks like a piece of clothing or some other type of debris. Not blood.

Sandy Hook? wtf dude, we're talking about War Propaganda here. Both sides engage in it. Don't pretend like they don't.

Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island were plastered all over the front pages of 'the news' and both turned out to be totally fabricated. Western media took information given to them by the Ukrainian Government as FACT and ran with it without verifying any of it.

The footage is from the Ukrainian Government. It was given to our media and once again they just ran with it. No verification AT ALL.

She admits this in the below video @ 8:35

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Now MSNBC is literally calling for WW3

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I'm more convinced now that it's a staged hoax and just war propaganda from Ukraine

Either that, or the azovs rolled in and killed these people if it's real

Mayor of Bucha announced liberation on March 31. No mention of atrocities

https://www.facebook.com/bucharada.gov.ua/videos/270161321982745/

Azovs moved in the next day

We didn't get accusations of war crimes until after the Azovs moved in (Apr 3) and they are literally nazis. Maybe they slaughtered these people (if it's real)

Either way, I don't want WW3. I don't want yet another endless war, this time with a country that has nuclear weapons where potentially millions could die. Nobody is questioning anything and ready to jump into a hot war with russia like you're playing Call of Duty.

Get a grip dude. Maybe we're being lied to by the same people that lied to us about the russia hoax and 'laptop was russian disinfo' and they have their own motivations for war that has nothing to do anything remotely humanitarian

Could be anything? Possibly Russian spaff, the pervs. RIP those poor people.

Trexller
04-04-2022, 03:24 PM
What makes the Ukrainian state any more legitimate than the Russian state?

international recognition is what makes a state legitimate or not.

anything can be a legal nation, its free to submit the paperwork to the U.N. secretary general.

then they vote, and voila you're a nation, or they tell you to fuck off.

or you could treat with non-U.N. states to recognize your nation. If enough of them do, other major players on the world stage will recognize you, usually for economic purposes. So, if you wanna claim some land somewhere as your nation, you had better make sure that it has something valuable that you can sell globally.

Old school russian hardliners are still just butt hurt that they couldn't keep their USSR alive, because of their very own corruption, so they don't want to recognize ukraine as a legitimate state.

Reiwa
04-04-2022, 03:28 PM
Not poisoning political opponents and invading foreign nations, for one

But again, Ukraine is defending its own territory under international law. You aren’t making the point you think you’re making

They've been executing their own dudes a bit. (https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-reports-claim-negotiator-shot-for-treason-officials-say-he-died-in-intel-op/)

Jimjam
04-04-2022, 03:33 PM
I saved my Kentucky redneck brother in law from opioids long after he destroyed his relationship with my sister and my nephew. There’s hope I think, I am the redneck whisperer

That is incredibly christian of you (and I mean that in the sense of ‘Christlike’, and as a compliment).

cd288
04-04-2022, 03:33 PM
Imagine spending time saying that Ukraine isn't a legitimate state, and then your country invades it and gets absolutely destroyed even though you're like 10 times the size. Russians in full retreat and got so salty about how ineffective their army is that they decide to murder Ukranian civilians.

I'm just loving the fact that Russia tried to act all tough and in the end just embarrassed themselves and proved that they're really a completely ineffectual military that none of us in the west need to be worried about anymore lmao

Jimjam
04-04-2022, 03:33 PM
At least he's admitting he's been totally convinced by the Russian disinformation campaign and stopped just acting all coy and shit.

I do sometimes feel like this board is a training room for a certain type. They seem always present and well represented... but always changing.

Reiwa
04-04-2022, 03:48 PM
Imagine spending time saying that Ukraine isn't a legitimate state, and then your country invades it and gets absolutely destroyed even though you're like 10 times the size. Russians in full retreat and got so salty about how ineffective their army is that they decide to murder Ukranian civilians.

I'm just loving the fact that Russia tried to act all tough and in the end just embarrassed themselves and proved that they're really a completely ineffectual military that none of us in the west need to be worried about anymore lmao

This isn't a rapper beef for you to fangirl about. Seriously, what's so good about Ukraine?

cd288
04-04-2022, 04:02 PM
This isn't a rapper beef for you to fangirl about. Seriously, what's so good about Ukraine?

Lol someone is salty that you got your ass spanked by Ukraine. I'm glad the west was able to help them out to; just proves even more that Russia isn't a country that can compete with the west.

One of the best parts is that this isn't even one of those situations like Russia in Afghanistan etc. where it's like okay eventually anyone will be ground down by that type of insurgency war. This was straight up modern warfare and it only took Russia a few weeks to lose in embarrassing fashion to a much smaller military.

Reiwa
04-04-2022, 04:04 PM
This is getting out of hand! Now there are 2 of them! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aidar_Battalion)

Ukraine must stop ongoing abuses and war crimes by pro-Ukrainian volunteer forces (https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/09/ukraine-must-stop-ongoing-abuses-and-war-crimes-pro-ukrainian-volunteer-forces/)

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 04:04 PM
Idiot Biden sayin Pudding needs to be brought to trial for war crimes when the US isn't even a part of the ICC

Maybe Biden should be brought to trial for killing innocent women and children in Afghanistan

Trexller
04-04-2022, 04:05 PM
Seriously, what's so good about Ukraine?

I'd like to introduce you to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, and Miss Ukraine 2015 Anastasiia Lenna:

https://i.imgur.com/iWam2ek.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/StWnMri.jpg

cd288
04-04-2022, 04:06 PM
I'd like to introduce you to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, and Miss Ukraine 2015 Anastasiia Lenna:

https://i.imgur.com/iWam2ek.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/StWnMri.jpg

Zelenskyy is the freaking man. Ukraine is lucky to have a guy like him

robayon
04-04-2022, 04:07 PM
Idiot Biden sayin Pudding needs to be brought to trial for war crimes when the US isn't even a part of the ICC

Maybe Biden should be brought to trial for killing innocent women and children in Afghanistanhow about all living current and former presidents get brought to trial for war crimes

i think the only one who might get a pass is jimmy carter

Reiwa
04-04-2022, 04:10 PM
I'd like to introduce you to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, and Miss Ukraine 2015 Anastasiia Lenna:

https://i.imgur.com/iWam2ek.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/StWnMri.jpg

I like her warbraids. :p

Reiwa
04-04-2022, 04:14 PM
1 (https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/OHCHRThematicReportUkraineJan2014-May2016_EN.pdf)

2 (https://www.reuters.com/article/idUS60927080220150505)

3 (https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/EUR5016832015ENGLISH.pdf)

Trexller
04-04-2022, 04:14 PM
I like her warbraids. :p

that's how you know she'll fuck up your day if you try to roll tanks down her street

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 04:15 PM
how about all living current and former presidents get brought to trial for war crimes

i think the only one who might get a pass is jimmy carter

Right

So who is going to make Putin stand trial?

Trexller
04-04-2022, 04:18 PM
how about all living current and former presidents get brought to trial for war crimes

i think the only one who might get a pass is jimmy carter

carter gave away the panana canal for free, literally the most important piece of real estate in the western hemisphere. we'll charge him for gross incompetent neglect or something, it's the U.S. court system, we can come up with something to charge him for.

robayon
04-04-2022, 04:22 PM
Right

So who is going to make Putin stand trial?well if we're taking bets my money is on nobody

just like american presidents going on trial for their crimes

power doesn't work like that in the modern world. It should but it doesn't

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 04:23 PM
This isn't a rapper beef for you to fangirl about. Seriously, what's so good about Ukraine?

This isn’t about Ukraine. It’s about Putin’s Russia. Chechnya, Syria, Moldova, Armenia, Georgia, the recent actions in Belarus and Kazakhstan. He’s rebuilding the Soviet Union

Ukraine sucks, but that’s a pretext. The fact that Russian speakers in Ukraine are fighting so hard against Russia should demonstrate that to you. I also wonder why you’re discounting 3 decades of Russian meddling in how dysfunctional Ukraine is today

As for the people warning about world war 3, that’s asinine. Do you think Putin would even try to fight world war 3? Russia would be annihilated, they can’t even take Ukraine…

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 04:29 PM
I remember a day when I and my fellow republicans cheered for the dark forces of authoritarians to be extinguished by the light of lady liberty

I’m not even sure what happened

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 04:30 PM
I remember a day when I and my fellow republicans cheered for the dark forces of authoritarians to be extinguished by the light of lady liberty

I’m not even sure what happened

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 04:35 PM
well if we're taking bets my money is on nobody

I remember a day when I and my fellow republicans cheered for the dark forces of authoritarians to be extinguished by the light of lady liberty

I’m not even sure what happened

IRAQ and Afghanistan happened

No 9/11 here and Ukraine is a country you can't even find on a map

Jimjam
04-04-2022, 04:36 PM
I remember a day when I and my fellow republicans cheered for the dark forces of authoritarians to be extinguished by the light of lady liberty

I’m not even sure what happened

Worth saying twice.

Trexller
04-04-2022, 04:38 PM
IRAQ and Afghanistan happened

No 9/11 here and Ukraine is a country you can't even find on a map

ukraine is huge as far as european nations go, its really easy to find on a map.

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 04:38 PM
Worth saying twice.

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Horza
04-04-2022, 04:39 PM
IRAQ and Afghanistan happened

No 9/11 here and Ukraine is a country you can't even find on a map

Trump happened and now suddenly Republicans everywhere love Putin :p

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 04:40 PM
IRAQ and Afghanistan happened

No 9/11 here and Ukraine is a country you can't even find on a map

You were complaining about us leaving Afghanistan not very long ago man, stick to a position please

I can find Ukraine on a map lol. I’m deeply familiar with the post soviet space… I’ve been posting about Armenia for 5 years now because I think the world has overlooked them getting fucked over

Agree on Iraq though. We messed up on that one beginning to end!

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 04:41 PM
ukraine is huge as far as european nations go, its really easy to find on a map.

I guarantee everyone clamoring for WW3 hasn't taken the time to ever look at a world map

Trexller
04-04-2022, 04:41 PM
well, Elizondo has snapped, sooner or later is he gonna slap chris rock

Reiwa
04-04-2022, 04:42 PM
This isn’t about Ukraine. It’s about Putin’s Russia. Chechnya, Syria, Moldova, Armenia, Georgia, the recent actions in Belarus and Kazakhstan. He’s rebuilding the Soviet Union

Ukraine sucks, but that’s a pretext. The fact that Russian speakers in Ukraine are fighting so hard against Russia should demonstrate that to you. I also wonder why you’re discounting 3 decades of Russian meddling in how dysfunctional Ukraine is today

As for the people warning about world war 3, that’s asinine. Do you think Putin would even try to fight world war 3? Russia would be annihilated, they can’t even take Ukraine…

Russia definitely sucks more and our involvement so far is very limited.

Just mad at the TV I guess.

Trexller
04-04-2022, 04:44 PM
I guarantee everyone clamoring for WW3 hasn't taken the time to ever look at a world map

nobody is clamoring for WW3, everyone on both sides of the political spectrum is actively working to avoid WW3.

one of the few things that democrats and republicans truly agree on, is that we want to avoid WW3.

Frankly, based on what we've seen from the russian army, there wouldn't be a WW3, it would be a massacre of russian troops and then dozens of irradiated cities around the world.

they're all gonna have a bad time, and they all know it.

please don't slap chris rock, he's a good dude.

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 04:46 PM
well, Elizondo has snapped, sooner or later is he gonna slap chris rock

Sorry man

I'm not interested in WW3 atm over a country nobody really cares about in the grand scheme of things

Especially over some dodgy footage that for all we know is totally fake courtesy of the Ukrainian government

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 04:48 PM
nobody is clamoring for WW3

17393

robayon
04-04-2022, 04:48 PM
I guarantee everyone clamoring for WW3 hasn't taken the time to ever look at a world mapyou're underestimating just how autistic i am about maps

not only do pore over real maps every day, i create them in krita for places that don't exist as a hobby. i have even sold a few for d&d campaigns for people

anyways, trying to claim everyone who thinks your takes are bad is 'clamoring for ww3' just makes you look desperate. It's not a good look, you're supposed to stay in character as the flippant dude

Trexller
04-04-2022, 04:48 PM
Sorry man

I'm not interested in WW3 atm over a country nobody really cares about in the grand scheme of things

Especially over some dodgy footage that for all we know is totally fake courtesy of the Ukrainian government

I don't get what you're on about, where is the risk of ww3? a few murdered civilians is a war crime for sure, but nobody is gonna nuke moscow over it.

we just won't let the russians play in our sandbox for a few decades, no biggie

cd288
04-04-2022, 04:56 PM
IRAQ and Afghanistan happened

No 9/11 here and Ukraine is a country you can't even find on a map

So you're saying Russia invaded an innocent no name country (no name because you claim you can't find it on a map) and then got it's ass absolutely kicked by that no name country? Ultra embarrassing lol

Gravydoo II
04-04-2022, 05:01 PM
You think AR-15 girl would join the military or fight if the usa was invaded? lol

Gravydoo II
04-04-2022, 05:03 PM
What happened to the 500,000 sealed indictments?

starkind
04-04-2022, 05:08 PM
Recommended viewing for those of you who need it. (Lookin at atchu Elizondo, not only u tho).

Heroes
Stargate SG-1: Season 7, Episode 17
Part 1 and 2. Good episode about war and bullshit. Very healing. Very traumatic tho.

It's good to be skeptical. It's good to seek the truth. Just don’t go crazy with it.

The episode is about a journalist who gets embedded in the secret military unit and is highly critical of what they do. I wouldn't mind critique of this episode at all either.

Trexller
04-04-2022, 05:10 PM
17393

who the fuck are these people? i don't recognize their names, so that's a safe bet that they aren't of any consequence. i bet they are basically the same people that populate this forum.

You think AR-15 girl would join the military or fight if the usa was invaded? lol

absolutely not. 99.999% of all americans are yellow bellied cowards.

starkind
04-04-2022, 05:19 PM
I'd like to introduce you to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, and Miss Ukraine 2015 Anastasiia Lenna:

https://i.imgur.com/iWam2ek.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/StWnMri.jpg

Another 8 inches of forehead at least.

G-d bless 🙏✨🌌

Jimjam
04-04-2022, 05:21 PM
Pres Z looks like that spaceman skipper off the show about the space cowboy pirates.

Trexller
04-04-2022, 05:24 PM
Another 8 inches of forehead at least.

G-d bless 🙏✨🌌

just jelly, you might not look like that, but I know for a fact that you used to be able to fight like that, in another lifetime.

starkind
04-04-2022, 05:24 PM
Zelenskyy is pretty easy on the eyes. I feel like he's crossed over already, just kinda stares back like he's looking atchu from beyond the grave, through the veil. He knows every one gets to die. And in many cases its going to be a rough journey. Dude is done with it all, he's going to keep trying anyway.

Hope his eyes can light up again one day in the presence of those he holds dear.

just jelly, you might not look like that, but I know for a fact that you used to be able to fight like that, in another lifetime.

Ya I'm being a smartass :o ain't mad at all :D

BlackBellamy
04-04-2022, 05:46 PM
Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova says the atrocities in Borodyanka, Kyiv Oblast, are set to overshadow those committed in Bucha.

“In terms of human casualties, the worst situation is in Borodyanka. There’s a lot to process."

So far. I bet there's a worse situation in the next town over, and then maybe the next.

It's always a worse situation when the Russians come to town. My mother used to vacation in Egypt and around the Red Sea back when you know...you didn't get your throat slit right on the bus from the airport...anyway, she always said the Russians were the worst. Always drunk, destroying everything, cursing, fighting with everyone. Just low-class zero-culture losers. Like she and her friends would re-book on the fly once they found they would be sharing the same resort which was a pretty desperate measure since the reason they were in Egypt in the first place was because Eastern Europeans can really stretch their plats in those places.

Trexller
04-04-2022, 05:51 PM
Just low-class zero-culture losers.

I've never heard russians described so aptly and concisely.

This is a people who's biggest contribution to world culture is, an easily made sheet metal stamped machine gun, and a flaming liquor bottle

BlackBellamy
04-04-2022, 06:21 PM
Both Russia and China are facing an existential crisis. All the industrialized countries are, some more some less, but for those two it's grave.

Agrarian societies have a lot of children because they need them to work. In an industrialized society people have children as a hobby. Children are nothing but an expense. Zero return. Why have them? And this is why most modern nations are now under the replacement rate. If people have 2 kids, that's not enough. Do you know many people with 3 children? Or more? I don't. Most people I know have one child or are childless. It's a big deal if they have two!

The US has a huge advantage in that everyone wants to immigrate here. So while the natives might not be breeding, the US is able to prolong the start of the population collapse by bringing in tons of fertile Central and South Americans.

But Russia and China are a different story. In China they had the one child policy. That was ruinous, but the effects haven't been fully seen yet. In another 30 years, maybe two generations, you're going to see China's 1.44 billion people cut in half.

Russia is worse off because their life expectancy is already super low. It was like 59 (!) according to their lies, and they stopped reporting this years ago so you can bet it's worse. No one is having kids in Russia and everyone is dying young. Russia will not able to fulfill their conscription quotas in a couple of years. Their population will wither and shrink and their stupid federation will fall apart and maybe balkanize even further.

This is why we need to get rid of Russia's nuclear weapons sooner rather than later, before they split into six different entities, two of them Islamic and so-slightly radicalized.

This is the Russian Empire's last gasp. Putin invaded the Ukraine because he knows in a couple of years he won't be able to invade anyone.

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 06:30 PM
So you're saying Russia invaded an innocent no name country (no name because you claim you can't find it on a map) and then got it's ass absolutely kicked by that no name country? Ultra embarrassing lol

Bro nobody really knows what's going on over there

Turn off CNN

robayon
04-04-2022, 06:34 PM
Bro nobody really knows what's going on over there

Turn off CNNAhaha watch him try to backtrack out of his previous posts in this very thread now

Botten
04-04-2022, 06:50 PM
Bro nobody really knows what's going on over there

Turn off CNN

Fox​ viewers are less likely to believe FoxNews lies after watching CNN for 30 days: study (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fox%E2%80%8B-viewers-are-less-likely-to-believe-lies-after-being-paid-to-watch-cnn-for-30-days-study/ar-AAVP1x6)

Jibartik
04-04-2022, 07:01 PM
I listned to the news all morning today and they were def down to nuke russia.

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 07:03 PM
Fox​ viewers are less likely to believe FoxNews lies after watching CNN for 30 days: study (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fox%E2%80%8B-viewers-are-less-likely-to-believe-lies-after-being-paid-to-watch-cnn-for-30-days-study/ar-AAVP1x6)

Raw Story?

Really dude?

I listned to the news all morning today and they were def down to nuke russia.

Libs during Iraq war - US isn't the world cop! No war for oil!

Ukraine War - Nuke Russia!

Jibartik
04-04-2022, 07:04 PM
Fox​ viewers are less likely to believe FoxNews lies after watching CNN for 30 days: study (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fox%E2%80%8B-viewers-are-less-likely-to-believe-lies-after-being-paid-to-watch-cnn-for-30-days-study/ar-AAVP1x6)

*aghem*

let me clarify this study.

What happened was A LOT of fox news viewers started watching CNN after 2016... More and more.

Because they did not like that trump was draining the sawmp.

And they discovered CNN and the DNC was just as much interested as consolodating the wealth of the top 20% as the GOP was and so the... wait for it:

PARTIES FLIPPED

so once, yes, it only took 30 days for a busher, to become an oboomer. But that ratio is no longer accurate, as the parties have flipped, and that study you linked was happening during the flippaning.

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 07:08 PM
Raw Story?

Really dude?



Libs during Iraq war - US isn't the world cop! No war for oil!

Ukraine War - Nuke Russia!

No one said nuke Russia, just saying Russia tortured and executed civilians in all probability and sanctions should remain on them until they become a democracy and no longer occupy foreign territory

And what you’ve said is that those bodies are mannequins OR they are real but executed by the Azov battalion, two contradictory and incoherent claims

Cmon man

Trexller
04-04-2022, 07:08 PM
Putin invaded the Ukraine because he knows in a couple of years he won't be able to invade anyone.

This right here. Exactly, yep.

GDP directly correlates to population. If one shrinks, the other does too.

Jibartik
04-04-2022, 07:11 PM
No one said nuke Russia, just saying Russia tortured and executed civilians in all probability and sanctions should remain on them until they become a democracy and no longer occupy foreign territory

And what you’ve said is that those bodies are mannequins OR they are real but executed by the Azov battalion, two contradictory and incoherent claims

Cmon man

hahaha what planet are you from where you think that you can starve out a dictator.

you ever heard of iran?

anyway, russia is not some petulant country in the northern part of korea.

and it'd rather kill you and everyone else and itself, than starve by the hands of a foreigner.

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 07:11 PM
Both Russia and China are facing an existential crisis. All the industrialized countries are, some more some less, but for those two it's grave.

Agrarian societies have a lot of children because they need them to work. In an industrialized society people have children as a hobby. Children are nothing but an expense. Zero return. Why have them? And this is why most modern nations are now under the replacement rate. If people have 2 kids, that's not enough. Do you know many people with 3 children? Or more? I don't. Most people I know have one child or are childless. It's a big deal if they have two!

The US has a huge advantage in that everyone wants to immigrate here. So while the natives might not be breeding, the US is able to prolong the start of the population collapse by bringing in tons of fertile Central and South Americans.

But Russia and China are a different story. In China they had the one child policy. That was ruinous, but the effects haven't been fully seen yet. In another 30 years, maybe two generations, you're going to see China's 1.44 billion people cut in half.

Russia is worse off because their life expectancy is already super low. It was like 59 (!) according to their lies, and they stopped reporting this years ago so you can bet it's worse. No one is having kids in Russia and everyone is dying young. Russia will not able to fulfill their conscription quotas in a couple of years. Their population will wither and shrink and their stupid federation will fall apart and maybe balkanize even further.

This is why we need to get rid of Russia's nuclear weapons sooner rather than later, before they split into six different entities, two of them Islamic and so-slightly radicalized.

This is the Russian Empire's last gasp. Putin invaded the Ukraine because he knows in a couple of years he won't be able to invade anyone.

China also values merit to at least some degree. They are scum but at least competent to some degree

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 07:12 PM
hahaha what planet are you from where you think that you can starve out a dictator.

you ever heard of iran?

Who cares? We don’t have to buy their shit. Same as Iran

What do you suggest? Give Putin Ukraine because he’s a pussy?

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 07:13 PM
No one said nuke Russia, just saying Russia tortured and executed civilians in all probability and sanctions should remain on them until they become a democracy and no longer occupy foreign territory

And what you’ve said is that those bodies are mannequins OR they are real but executed by the Azov battalion, two contradictory and incoherent claims

Cmon man

You don't know with 100% certainty that Russia did any such thing

They had evacuated the area 3 days before any of that footage had come out and at that point the Asovs had moved in along with Ukraine media outlets

Lol look at that pinky finger dude

17394

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 07:15 PM
The Ukrainians don’t want to be part of Russia. End of story guys sorry

Jibartik
04-04-2022, 07:19 PM
Who cares? We don’t have to buy their shit. Same as Iran

What do you suggest? Give Putin Ukraine because he’s a pussy?

I dont have a suggestion. That's the reality that biden might have caused. Its too late to change.

At this point, idk what to say, we're so fucked. If we do anything it's world war 3, if we dont do anything, it's world war 3.

Att his poitn our best bet is to threaten them with the fullest might of the American military, and to probably give them no option but to back down.

Im sure bidden will absolutely screw that up royally though.

I dont know what to say, I dont think there is a solution anymore.

I will however say that if you are enjoying this beginning of the tribulation because you think the beast is right and the enemy it fights is wrong, then I have sad news for you when jesus comes: Matthew 7:21-23

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 07:21 PM
The Ukrainians don’t want to be part of Russia. End of story guys sorry

Fine that's great

They shouldn't be a part of NATO either

The West has been dangling that carrot for years and it's a red line for Russia. Why provoke?

Jibartik
04-04-2022, 07:24 PM
It does seem apparent that putin doesnt want them in nato is because he thinks he can take them if they are not in nato (and nato is making that clear that is the case)

although, I think that a better president that didnt have an agenda to support nato, could have worked something out where it was a buffer zone between russia and nato, and there could have been no lives lost.

Damn shame we have to support an american leader, whos highest priority is NATO

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 07:25 PM
Because Russia dismembers countries at the whims of a mafioso dictator. Doesn’t matter, dictator invaded and is getting ass kicked so is bombing civilians. Would I invite Ukraine to NATO? No idea. Again, doesn’t matter. Russia is 100% responsible for Russia’s actions

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 07:27 PM
Because Russia dismembers countries at the whims of a mafioso dictator. Doesn’t matter, dictator invaded and is getting ass kicked so is bombing civilians. Would I invite Ukraine to NATO? No idea. Again, doesn’t matter. Russia is 100% responsible for Russia’s actions

Jibartik
04-04-2022, 07:47 PM
Russia is 100% responsible for Russia’s actions

Obviously.

What I am talking about is how America and its leadership is responsible for how it manages and controls those actions.

The current leadership, failed in 2014 to prevent war, and it did again in 2022.

My beef is with my country, I'm not worried about putin (or I wasn't before my country failed to negotiate this without a war).

cJuHgBFZOSU

starkind
04-04-2022, 07:51 PM
China = Romulans. Russia = Klingon. Ukraine = Praxis.

The Russian Federation has less than 50 years at best. Even with the full support of the world. Probably much less.

The days are numbered.

The U.S. will go through fascist upheaval. It won't die completely tho. We'll still be too dangerous as the global rich will be busy feasting on her zombie corpse. And they'll try to keep their prizes mostly intact.

Enjoy your slavish lifestyles.

Horza
04-04-2022, 07:58 PM
I'm not worried about putin (or I wasn't before my country failed to negotiate this without a war).

That much is pretty obvious, recent polling has found Putin has a higher favorability with Republican voters than Biden.

Trexller
04-04-2022, 08:09 PM
China = Romulans. Russia = Klingon. Ukraine = Praxis.

The Russian Federation has less than 50 years at best. Even with the full support of the world. Probably much less.

The days are numbered.

The U.S. will go through fascist upheaval. It won't die completely tho. We'll still be too dangerous as the global rich will be busy feasting on her zombie corpse. And they'll try to keep their prizes mostly intact.

Enjoy your slavish lifestyles.

ive done this math over and over, just to name the major players:

Earth = U.S.A
Vulkan = U.K.
Cardassia = Russia
Qo'nos = Japan
Romulus = China
Bajor = Israel
Ferenginar = darker side of U.S.A
Andoria = Canada
Risa = Mexico

Reiwa
04-04-2022, 08:12 PM
Libs during Iraq war - US isn't the world cop! No war for oil!

Ukraine War - Nuke Russia!

No blood with rival trading blocs!

starkind
04-04-2022, 08:19 PM
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, then and now https://imgur.com/gallery/5gyAxIc

https://i.imgur.com/iZSiPV3.jpeg

Today. Bucha.

Jimjam
04-04-2022, 08:25 PM
At the start they were saying Russia could only last 10 days.

I think this comedian realises his life is over - even if he survives the fighting and Ukraine finds peace with Russia PZ is going to be facing polonium tea, novichok brand door knobs and particularly slippery floors beaides top floor windows.

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 08:56 PM
That much is pretty obvious, recent polling has found Putin has a higher favorability with Republican voters than Biden.

Everything has a higher approval rating than Biden

He terrible

Jibartik
04-04-2022, 09:17 PM
That much is pretty obvious, recent polling has found Putin has a higher favorability with Republican voters than Biden.

I’m democrat voter but if you insist…

Horza
04-04-2022, 09:26 PM
Everything has a higher approval rating than Biden

He terrible

At least you guys may be less xenophobic now that the GOP has embraced Putin's Russia?

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 09:27 PM
Obviously.

What I am talking about is how America and its leadership is responsible for how it manages and controls those actions.

The current leadership, failed in 2014 to prevent war, and it did again in 2022.

My beef is with my country, I'm not worried about putin (or I wasn't before my country failed to negotiate this without a war).

cJuHgBFZOSU

You’re not giving Russians agency. They do this everywhere on their periphery, including Kazakhstan. Are we offering Kazakhstan NATO membership? Kazakhs get tired of autocracy but too bad, Vladimir Putin moves in

They are the bad guys dude. If we took every carrier and fighter jet we had back to DC, Russia would still do the same thing they’re doing now, except it would be worse

This isn’t a response to US. This is pathological malfeasance from a delusional KGB agent

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 09:29 PM
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, then and now https://imgur.com/gallery/5gyAxIc

https://i.imgur.com/iZSiPV3.jpeg

Today. Bucha.

Looks pretty genuine to me. Jesus

At the start they were saying Russia could only last 10 days.

I think this comedian realises his life is over - even if he survives the fighting and Ukraine finds peace with Russia PZ is going to be facing polonium tea, novichok brand door knobs and particularly slippery floors beaides top floor windows.

Yeah. He is uncommonly brave like Navalny. It’s pretty amazing to witness

Patriam1066
04-04-2022, 09:31 PM
No blood with rival trading blocs!

You’re far more misguided on this topic than you’ve ever been. It should concern you that you’re with elizondo and tucker carlson. And I think you know that

Elizondo
04-04-2022, 10:03 PM
You’re far more misguided on this topic than you’ve ever been. It should concern you that you’re with elizondo and tucker carlson. And I think you know that

Bro you're for war and you tryin to lecture folks on bein misguided?

lol

Reiwa
04-04-2022, 10:08 PM
You’re far more misguided on this topic than you’ve ever been. It should concern you that you’re with elizondo and tucker carlson. And I think you know that

I didn't create the bad situation in the east, some Slavic dogs did.

Take it up with them.

starkind
04-04-2022, 10:26 PM
Y do u hate slavs?

starkind
04-04-2022, 10:59 PM
Y do u hate slavs?

I should probably retract this. It's too late tho. U don't have to answer. Also I am not staying up to find out.

Jibartik
04-05-2022, 12:07 AM
biden vp: war with russia

trump: no war

biden pres: war with russia

qxUkCdE27F8

it's all a big plan

BlackBellamy
04-05-2022, 12:18 AM
You’re not giving Russians agency.

...

This isn’t a response to US. This is pathological malfeasance from a delusional KGB agent

No one does. It's that "exceptionalism" bullshit burned into everyone. Everything revolves around the MIGHTY UNITED STATES. Everything. If a war breaks out it's because we either engineered it or failed to prevent it. Every action any country makes is in deference or consideration to us. This is our sphere of control and this is our area of influence and this is a region of concern to us and it's everything and everyone.

Elizondo
04-05-2022, 12:36 AM
No one does. It's that "exceptionalism" bullshit burned into everyone. Everything revolves around the MIGHTY UNITED STATES. Everything. If a war breaks out it's because we either engineered it or failed to prevent it. Every action any country makes is in deference or consideration to us. This is our sphere of control and this is our area of influence and this is a region of concern to us and it's everything and everyone.

Party almost over for the dollar

Biden speeding up it's demise on purpose

Jibartik
04-05-2022, 12:55 AM
If a war breaks out it's because we either engineered it or failed to prevent it.


https://i.imgur.com/vJqMlYT.gif

Patriam1066
04-05-2022, 01:01 AM
Bro you're for war and you tryin to lecture folks on bein misguided?

lol

Russia gets nothing

Doesn’t mean we go to war with them! They just get to live without our goods and services, and with Ukrainian Vikings hacking them to pieces

Elizondo
04-05-2022, 01:12 AM
Russia gets nothing

Doesn’t mean we go to war with them! They just get to live without our goods and services, and with Ukrainian Vikings hacking them to pieces

Take it up with MSNBC

They are openly calling for a hot war between the US and Russia

Patriam1066
04-05-2022, 01:29 AM
I didn't create the bad situation in the east, some Slavic dogs did.

Take it up with them.

One man did and he’s ugly, 5’3”, and uses his country as a bank account

Reiwa
04-05-2022, 01:58 AM
One man did and he’s ugly, 5’3”, and uses his country as a bank account

Google says they're both 5'7"

Doesn't make their policies good!!

Trexller
04-05-2022, 02:04 AM
Yeah. He is uncommonly brave like Navalny. It’s pretty amazing to witness

Hard times build hard men

you never know what anyone is worth, until you see them when the chips are down.

Reiwa
04-05-2022, 02:05 AM
https://i.imgur.com/8nOujxl.jpg

starkind
04-05-2022, 02:27 AM
Technically.... that isn't a swastika.

starkind
04-05-2022, 02:32 AM
For starters



The valknut is a symbol consisting of three interlocked triangles. It appears on a variety of objects from the archaeological record of the ancient Germanic peoples. The term valknut is derived from the modern era, and the term or terms used to refer to the symbol during its historical employment is unknown.


Valknut variations.
On the left unicursal trefoil forms; on the right tricursal linked triangle forms.
Scholars have proposed a variety of explanations for the symbol, sometimes associating it with the god Odin, and it has been compared to the three-horned symbol found on the 9th-century Snoldelev Stone, to which it may be related.[1]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valknut

Heathens going to do heathenry. Specially in a war zone.

starkind
04-05-2022, 02:40 AM
See also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskelion

It's like calling bhuddists and native Americans Nazi lol.

Jimjam
04-05-2022, 02:42 AM
Reminds me of the Isle of Mann flag. In the IoM the cats have no tails.

starkind
04-05-2022, 02:43 AM
These symbols locally predate Nazi use. You want them to get rid of their heritage because some slime ball Austrain started a new age secularist cult supported by the Catholic pope at the time?

Man.

I fucking hate this world sometimes.

I hope Odin literally fucking shows up on the battlefield. And laughs his ass off.