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Patriam1066
04-11-2022, 08:37 PM
Well a bit more on topic, I think we should take ukrainian refugees in large numbers.

Elizondo
04-11-2022, 10:07 PM
Well a bit more on topic, I think we should take ukrainian refugees in large numbers.

no

unsunghero
04-11-2022, 10:11 PM
Well a bit more on topic, I think we should take ukrainian refugees in large numbers.

Depends on how hot the women are

Reiwa
04-11-2022, 10:42 PM
no

Biden has a 1975 quote that the US has no obligation to evacuate 1 or 100,001 South Vietnamese.

You guys can argue about it but the point is Biden good. 👍

Topgunben
04-11-2022, 10:47 PM
Looks like ROUND 2 of this war is in the works.

Hopefully Putin dies of a heart attack before it's too late.


Putin must die
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Putin's favorite jam
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unsunghero
04-11-2022, 10:47 PM
Biden has a 1975 quote that the US has no obligation to evacuate 1 or 100,001 South Vietnamese.

You guys can argue about it but the point is Biden good. 👍

Remember back before Dems went radical hard left? Pepperidge farm remembers

Elizondo
04-11-2022, 10:51 PM
Biden has a 1975 quote that the US has no obligation to evacuate 1 or 100,001 South Vietnamese.

You guys can argue about it but the point is Biden good. 👍

Biden is shit

Hope that helps

robayon
04-11-2022, 11:23 PM
I don't think their actions are that deliberate

Reiwa
04-11-2022, 11:26 PM
Remember back before Dems went radical hard left? Pepperidge farm remembers

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17444&d=1649731665

Asylum seeking is the legal way. We set all that up after WW2. It's implied as an obligation for signatories.

Can you butts imgur your pics? It's hard to reply to you and Eli with the boomer attachments. 🥺

Tethler
04-11-2022, 11:32 PM
If the only thing that you have to say against Trump is that, “you heard on CNN that Trump compliments Putin”

Then please put on some pants and takeoff your diaper.

I just can't get behind the conjecture that Trump would have prevented this war. I don't believe Trump would have intervened. Trumps idolizes the guy. His strongarm tactics makes Trumps little weenis perk up when he sees Putin doing the things he wished he could do. A wannabe authoritarian publicly fellating a real authoritarian every chance he gets.

Trump is also anti-UN and anti-NATO. Weakening these puts Russia in a stronger position.

Regarding your video, I can't watch it since I'm currently at work, but I agree that the EU should have cut back or cut off Russian oil/gas sooner, particularly after Crimea. That, however, is up the the EU. It's not up to us. Blaming Biden for Putin's invasion is questionable when there is no evidence that America was in any way a factor as far as decision to invade nor the timing. Putin is just a narcissist that does what he wants when he wants to do it, consequences be damned.

unsunghero
04-11-2022, 11:45 PM
Asylum seeking is the legal way. We set all that up after WW2. It's implied as an obligation for signatories.

Can you butts imgur your pics? It's hard to reply to you and Eli with the boomer attachments. 🥺

Do we need a review of how many illegals are estimated to sneak in illegally? What have Dems suggested to curtail that?

It affects me directly, as you know

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 12:29 AM
I just can't get behind the conjecture that Trump would have prevented this war. I don't believe Trump would have intervened. Trumps idolizes the guy. His strongarm tactics makes Trumps little weenis perk up when he sees Putin doing the things he wished he could do. A wannabe authoritarian publicly fellating a real authoritarian every chance he gets.

Trump is also anti-UN and anti-NATO. Weakening these puts Russia in a stronger position.

Regarding your video, I can't watch it since I'm currently at work, but I agree that the EU should have cut back or cut off Russian oil/gas sooner, particularly after Crimea. That, however, is up the the EU. It's not up to us. Blaming Biden for Putin's invasion is questionable when there is no evidence that America was in any way a factor as far as decision to invade nor the timing. Putin is just a narcissist that does what he wants when he wants to do it, consequences be damned.

Watch the video it proves that your thoughts are not accurate about trump/Putin.

About trump letting Putin invade Ukraine that’s just flatly not something he would have allowed


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/world/2017/6/21/15845632/trump-russia-ukraine-relationship-syria

But the build up on the boarder wouldn’t have even happened, just like it didn’t happen between 2016-2020

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 12:33 AM
Remember back before Dems went radical hard left? Pepperidge farm remembers

Ukrainian refugees relate to this how?

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 12:35 AM
no

Yes 250,000 of them read the New Testament

DMN
04-12-2022, 01:59 AM
I just can't get behind the conjecture that Trump would have prevented this war. I don't believe Trump would have intervened. Trumps idolizes the guy. His strongarm tactics makes Trumps little weenis perk up when he sees Putin doing the things he wished he could do. A wannabe authoritarian publicly fellating a real authoritarian every chance he gets.

Trump is also anti-UN and anti-NATO. Weakening these puts Russia in a stronger position.

Regarding your video, I can't watch it since I'm currently at work, but I agree that the EU should have cut back or cut off Russian oil/gas sooner, particularly after Crimea. That, however, is up the the EU. It's not up to us. Blaming Biden for Putin's invasion is questionable when there is no evidence that America was in any way a factor as far as decision to invade nor the timing. Putin is just a narcissist that does what he wants when he wants to do it, consequences be damned.

How long you been in weeb fantasy world?

So Odumba nixes the missle defense shield in europe only gaining the delight of putins nuts on his chin in the exchange, further refuses to send advance arms to ukarine even after doing nothing as crimea was annexed.

Trump shows up, tells the euros to get off their asses and start building their military instead of relying on daddy USA to solve all their military problems, admonishes them to get off thier dependence on russian energy. Trump arranges for ukraine to start getting weapon shipments that Odumba refused to send. Trump becomes the first president to bomb a russian installation under the american flag.

Bidumb shows up. Stops the weapons trump was shipping to ukraine. Torpedos the keystone pipeline in the USA while greenlighting the russian nordstream pipeline. Both massive wins for russia in the petro world of geo politics. Then he litterally fucking says he wont do anything if russia invades ukraine in public.


Ya, i can't imagine why anyone might think things would be different under trump.

Never trumpers are so fucking pathetic.

Horza
04-12-2022, 02:12 AM
Never Trumpers aka 81 million voters who kicked your rape daddy to the curb because they had about enough of Putin's pal.

DMN
04-12-2022, 02:20 AM
Never Trumpers aka 81 million voters who kicked your rape daddy to the curb because they had about enough of Putin's pal.

are you counting the 10-15% that would have not voted for bidumb if the corporate media hadn't suppressed the hunter biden corruption story?

Horza
04-12-2022, 02:32 AM
are you counting the 10-15% that would have not voted for bidumb if the corporate media hadn't suppressed the hunter biden corruption story?

Weird how you aren't concerned about the two billion dollars Prince Bonesaw just gave Jared for making the Khashoggi drama go away.

DMN
04-12-2022, 02:33 AM
Weird how you aren't concerned at all about the two billion dollars Prince Bonesaw just gave Jared in exchange for making the Khashoggi drama go away.

and this has what to do with you bullshiting voter stats and sucking fascist media dick?

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 02:33 AM
Weird how you aren't concerned about the two billion dollars Prince Bonesaw just gave Jared for making the Khashoggi drama go away.

Weird how you aren't concerned about the 10-15% that would have not voted for bidumb if the corporate media hadn't suppressed the hunter biden corruption story

unsunghero
04-12-2022, 03:33 AM
Weird how you aren't concerned about the 10-15% that would have not voted for bidumb if the corporate media hadn't suppressed the hunter biden corruption story

You mean Russian misinformation?

Oops I spelled “politically inconvenient information” wrong

Tethler
04-12-2022, 05:51 AM
Watch the video it proves that your thoughts are not accurate about trump/Putin.

About trump letting Putin invade Ukraine that’s just flatly not something he would have allowed


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/world/2017/6/21/15845632/trump-russia-ukraine-relationship-syria

But the build up on the boarder wouldn’t have even happened, just like it didn’t happen between 2016-2020

Perhaps. Nevertheless, it's still all conjecture and isn't really relevant in the face of today's reality.

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 07:53 AM
You mean Russian misinformation?

Oops I spelled “politically inconvenient information” wrong

What obligates them to promote your October Surprise?

Tethler
04-12-2022, 10:13 AM
Japanese media reporting today that Russia is using biological/chemical weapons in Eastern Ukraine. Putin is trash.

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 10:44 AM
What obligates them to promote your October Surprise?

obligates who?

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 10:51 AM
obligates who?

The people in the TV, I guess.

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 10:51 AM
The people in the TV, I guess.

You guessed wrong

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 10:53 AM
Whom*

It’s my second language btw

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 10:54 AM
Hunter Biden sucks guys everyone who is sane agrees. Please move on to Ukraine related topics thanks and god bless

BlackBellamy
04-12-2022, 10:55 AM
no

The statistical replacement rate is 2,100 births per 1,000 women.

In 2020 the U.S. total fertility rate fell to 1,637.5 births per 1,000 women.

In 2019 it was just over 1,700 births.

Germany 1654 children per 1000 women.

France 1900 per 1000 women.

China 1600 per 1000 women.

You would think India with it's huge agrarian population and lack of birth control would be exploding. It's not. Their rate is 2100 for 1000, which is exactly at the replacement level. Soon it will start to go down like everywhere else.

Every industrialized nation is shrinking in population. There's zero reason to have children unless you have a farm or a family business.

This isn't going to change. No one is going to start paying people to have babies anytime soon. The decline will continue and accelerate.

The winner will be the nation that can maintain or slow it's decline the most.

The only solution is immigration.

Illegal immigration.

That's because legal immigration takes too long and admits too few people.

The vast vast majority of immigration into the US is Spanish speaking people from Central and South America. These people are fine. They like family, they have religion and culture, they like to work. We need them more in 20 years than we need 'secure' borders now.

Without these people our standard of living will fall faster than with them.

robayon
04-12-2022, 10:56 AM
Weird how you aren't concerned about the 10-15% that would have not voted for bidumb if the corporate media hadn't suppressed the hunter biden corruption storyTen to fifteen percent, just making shit up now

I thought the election was stolen, now you changed your tune for the eleventh time

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 11:16 AM
Hunter Biden sucks guys everyone who is sane agrees. Please move on to Ukraine related topics thanks and god bless

Hunter Biden is a Ukraine related topic

thanks and god bless

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 11:18 AM
Ten to fifteen percent, just making shit up now

I thought the election was stolen, now you changed your tune for the eleventh time

Where have I stated the election wasn't stolen?

It was obviously rigged lol

robayon
04-12-2022, 11:27 AM
Where have I stated the election wasn't stolen?

It was obviously rigged lolI guess it was rigged to a total margin of more than 10-15% then

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 11:30 AM
I guess it was rigged to a total margin of more than 10-15% then

Bro have you been reading this thread? I wasn't the one that even brought that up

The margin was only about 40K votes in a few key swing states


Try and keep up, Groomer

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 11:31 AM
Where have I stated the election wasn't stolen?

It was obviously rigged lol

Rigged but not consequential fraud? 🤔

Talk to the states feds have no say

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 11:33 AM
Perhaps. Nevertheless, it's still all conjecture and isn't really relevant in the face of today's reality.

Is absolutely relevant it’s like saying oh you know whatever reason the economy is crashing is totally irrelevant.

It’s absolutely important to realize that the promise of a better life by the political ideologists in this country: was a lie.

If you can’t objectively look at what’s happening then it’s just gonna keep happening over and over again.

You’ve basically parroted the cnn and msnbc lies from the people that caused all of these problems that we’re going through and you’re like “well it doesn’t really matter anyways”

Sooner or later you people are gonna have to realize that the guy that Fox News and CNN unanimously hates is the guy that is supposed to be the president.

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 11:43 AM
This isn't going to change. No one is going to start paying people to have babies anytime soon. The decline will continue and accelerate.

The winner will be the nation that can maintain or slow it's decline the most.

The only solution is immigration.

Weep for the CTC, for it is gone forever

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 11:44 AM
BB adult immigration is literally not how you solve a decline of birth rates caused by economic downturns that the immigration is causing.

Manufacturing and the America family unit is a culture of the past.

In places manufacturing is high. So are birth rates.

Your information is DAVOS globalist propaganda BULLSHIT

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 11:46 AM
Rigged but not consequential fraud? 🤔

Talk to the states feds have no say

Ballot stuffing isn't a federal crime?

robayon
04-12-2022, 11:49 AM
Bro have you been reading this thread? I wasn't the one that even brought that upNope, never will

You're still hilariously desperate and it shows

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 11:49 AM
Ballot stuffing isn't a federal crime?

Consequential?

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 11:53 AM
Lets jsut be claer, the anti establishment guy is stoked the guy the major media establishment conspired to burry a story that would have cost him the election, so that he would win.

This si the anti establishment in this country folks lol

we're all gonna die. Tiktok won, and there is no one even alive that knows what freedom is anymore.

edit: I heard the news say if you see something, say something 10 times this morning.

That's what they told the hitler youth.

Thats why cops come and shoot people.

Because someone see's "something", and reports what hey saw.

This country is being destroyed by our media, and we just let them.

They've managed to convince you its information on these boards that is the problem.

They convinced us your OWN minds are dangerous.

It's a conspiracy that operates in the center of time square.

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 12:00 PM
Consequential?

Ballot stuffing isn't a federal crime?

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 12:03 PM
Ballot stuffing isn't a federal crime?

You're only asking that to interrupt, was whatever fraud that took place consequential to the election result?

Rigged and fraud are not the same thing.

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 12:09 PM
You're only asking that to interrupt, was whatever fraud that took place consequential to the election result?

Rigged and fraud are not the same thing.

If the fraud is covered up and the crimes are not prosecuted on purpose what do you call that

robayon
04-12-2022, 12:25 PM
If the fraud is covered up and the crimes are not prosecuted on purpose what do you call thatBusiness as usual in America

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 12:28 PM
If the fraud is covered up and the crimes are not prosecuted on purpose what do you call that

https://i.imgur.com/rbtVoLc.gif

robayon
04-12-2022, 12:34 PM
He doesn't care about election fraud, he's just mad his dipshit's fraud didn't work

If Trump had won and democrats pitched a fit about all the various election nonsense already set in laws Elizondo would be vigorously defending Donnie and calling any effort to change election laws unnecessary

These people have no convictions and only parrot what the billionaires percolate down to them through media

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 12:37 PM
https://i.imgur.com/rbtVoLc.gif

lol sorry your rabbit holin ain't workin out today

better luck next time

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 12:41 PM
He doesn't care about election fraud, he's just mad his dipshit's fraud didn't work

If Trump had won and democrats pitched a fit about all the various election nonsense already set in laws Elizondo would be vigorously defending Donnie and calling any effort to change election laws unnecessary

These people have no convictions and only parrot what the billionaires percolate down to them through media

Malarkey level of changing the rules 4 months before the election? :p

robayon
04-12-2022, 12:48 PM
Malarkey level of changing the rules 4 months before the election? :pI don't know who did that or why, and I refuse to google based on your cryptic posting, but I do live in Georgia do I am used to some level of malarkey

And boy oh boy is Trump mad at this state

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 01:06 PM
I don't know who did that or why, and I refuse to google based on your cryptic posting, but I do live in Georgia do I am used to some level of malarkey

And boy oh boy is Trump mad at this state

Uh oh Elizondo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/04/12/usps-dejoy-midterms-electric-trucks/)

Tethler
04-12-2022, 01:16 PM
Sooner or later you people are gonna have to realize that the guy that Fox News and CNN unanimously hates is the guy that is supposed to be the president.

Nope

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 01:24 PM
Welcome to the united states of media. Hope you like divisiveness and rage, it sells!

Horza
04-12-2022, 01:29 PM
Hunter Biden is a Ukraine related topic

lol

Tethler
04-12-2022, 01:30 PM
Welcome to the united states of media. Hope you like divisiveness and rage, it sells!

A winning formula for both ends of the spectrum!

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 01:37 PM
lol

UXA--dj2-CY

Horza
04-12-2022, 01:44 PM
Trump already lost by an embarrassing margin, paste eating retard.

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 01:46 PM
Trump already lost by an embarrassing margin, paste eating retard.

lol dude

you're just a wind up doll

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 01:52 PM
How does trump win in 2016, hold power nationally and have Republican governors in states like georgia and Arizona, but somehow make the claim that democrats rigged the election? That implies he was hilariously incompetent at getting rekt while holding power

It actually means he isn’t the 4D chess player you guys imply. It also didn’t happen. American elections are secure and sanctified by Jesus Christ, and trump lost because he betrayed his Lord and Savior by aggrandizing himself at the expense of his country. Why can’t you great patriot types see this? Trump loves himself more than he loved the United States or Almighty God. What else is there to say?

Skarne
04-12-2022, 01:53 PM
^

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 02:00 PM
How does trump win in 2016, hold power nationally and have Republican governors in states like georgia and Arizona, but somehow make the claim that democrats rigged the election? That implies he was hilariously incompetent at getting rekt while holding power

It actually means he isn’t the 4D chess player you guys imply. It also didn’t happen. American elections are secure and sanctified by Jesus Christ, and trump lost because he betrayed his Lord and Savior by aggrandizing himself at the expense of his country. Why can’t you great patriot types see this? Trump loves himself more than he loved the United States or Almighty God. What else is there to say?

Bro, several election laws were changed (bypassing the consent of the legislatures) months before the election 'cuz Covid'

This is well documented

robayon
04-12-2022, 02:03 PM
Bro, several election laws were changed (bypassing the consent of the legislatures) months before the election 'cuz Covid'

This is well documentedBy whom

What laws

Where

Horza
04-12-2022, 02:04 PM
It doesn't have to make sense to us normies, the whole point is to keep the cult of personality going despite Diaper Don's historic defeat.

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 02:04 PM
By whom

What laws

Where

Ballotpedia (https://ballotpedia.org/Changes_to_election_dates,_procedures,_and_adminis tration_in_response_to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020) for one. I don't know if it mattered.

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 02:05 PM
Trump loves himself more than he loved the United States or Almighty God. What else is there to say?

This is not accurate at all and just hyperbole printed on CNN and MSNBC

If it were the case none of his administrations policy would exist.

Its so frustrating to listen to you parrot the VIEW and then act like you're the smartest guy in the room.

Yes trump was a narcasist.

Yes trump loves america.

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 02:07 PM
Let's not do Governor princeps civitatis again. 🥺

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 02:08 PM
us normies,

lol

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 02:09 PM
If you asked trump what is more important america or nato, he'd say america and youd all call him pro putin.

If you asked biden what was more important, america or nato, he'd say nato and you'd all say biden loves america as much as trump.

Skarne
04-12-2022, 02:10 PM
If you asked trump what is more important america or nato, he'd say america and youd all call him pro putin.

If you asked biden what was more important, america or nato, he'd say nato and you'd all say biden loves america as much as trump.

you don't know what either one would say

Horza
04-12-2022, 02:13 PM
If you asked trump what is more important america or nato, he'd say america and youd all call him pro putin.

If you asked biden what was more important, america or nato, he'd say nato and you'd all say biden loves america as much as trump.

https://i.imgur.com/kSTqYZj.jpg

Gravydoo II
04-12-2022, 02:48 PM
If you asked trump what is more important america or nato, he'd say america and youd all call him pro putin.

If you asked biden what was more important, america or nato, he'd say nato and you'd all say biden loves america as much as trump.

When you have to make up false scenarios to get a win, you've already lost.

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 02:57 PM
I mean what is more important to you gravy, nato or the USA?

Should we make sacrafices to make sure nato stays strong?

robayon
04-12-2022, 02:59 PM
I mean what is more important to you gravy, nato or the USA?

Should we make sacrafices to make sure nato stays strong?Is being correct more important than being good?

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 03:04 PM
When being incorrect results in badness, yes.

Time and time again, Russia has done it to themselves.

After the collapse of the soviet union, what did we say?

"wow it was all a facade, they didn't even have food!"

Now that they try to take Ukraine, they drown in their own tanks, what do we say?

"wow, it was all a facade, they dont even have food!"

What I am saying is, with, or without Nato, russia collapsed on their own. They were never the threat they implied they were, and whenever they tried to become one, they collapse under their own weight.

So nato, is that "rock" that people speak of that they say keeps the tigers at bay.

The sacrifices only paid for mega yachts.

Horza
04-12-2022, 03:12 PM
Jib's going through some serious contortions to justify his rape daddy's anti-NATO stance, like when he said it was obsolete just a few years ago.

Gravydoo II
04-12-2022, 03:13 PM
Remember when we were "energy independent" before biden? lol...

importing 8 million barrels a day, energy independent.
Imported more russian oil than anytime in american history under rape daddy.

LOL

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 03:14 PM
Jib's going through some serious contortions to justify his rape daddy's anti-NATO stance, like when he said it was obsolete just a few years ago.

how is making nato pay it's fair share 'anti nato'

Please explain

Horza
04-12-2022, 03:20 PM
how is making nato pay it's fair share 'anti nato'

Please explain

March 27, 2016 -- Trump sends one of his earliest campaign-season tweets about NATO:

My statement on NATO being obsolete and disproportionately too expensive (and unfair) for the U.S. are now, finally, receiving plaudits!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 27, 2016

April 2, 2016 -- Trump doubles down on NATO criticism at a Racine, WI campaign rally, but admits he’s only a recent study on the NATO topic:

“I said here’s the problem with NATO: it’s obsolete. Big statement to make when you don’t know that much about it, but I learn quickly.”

April 8, 2016 -- “Looks like I was right about NATO,” Trump tweets, linking to a Foreign Policy article about other Republican senators arguing over NATO allies’ laggardly defense spending:

Looks like I was right about NATO. I had no doubt.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 8, 2016

June 6, 2016 -- Trump repeats his charge that the military alliance is obsolete, and points out that they are appointing a new intelligence chief, insinuating that his criticism prompted the move:

See, when I said NATO was obsolete because of no terrorism protection, they made the change without giving me credit.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 6, 2016

July 17, 2016 -- Trump and running mate Mike Pence are interviewed by CBS News’ Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes; she asked Trump to explain how he would tackle the fight against ISIS as president. NATO was invoked:

“We’re going to have surrounding states and, very importantly, get NATO involved because we support NATO far more than we should, frankly, because you have a lot of countries that aren’t doing what they’re supposed to be doing.”

July 20, 2016 -- Trump is, again, interviewed by the New York Times’ Maggie Haberman and David Sanger at the Republican National Convention:

“If we cannot be properly reimbursed for the tremendous cost of our military protecting other countries, and in many cases the countries I’m talking about are extremely rich...we have many NATO members that aren’t paying their bills.”

July 20, 2016 -- Trump softens his rhetoric, somewhat, on NATO; in a tweet, he does not refer to the military alliance “obsolete,” instead calling for fellow members to “pay their bills”:

Wow, NATO's top commander just announced that he agrees with me that alliance members must PAY THEIR BILLS. This is a general I will like!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 30, 2016

January 15, 2017 -- in a joint interview, post-election, pre-inauguration, with the Times of London and Germany’s Bild, Trump reflects on his “obsolete” comment, but insists he was both correct and vindicated:

“I took such heat, when I said NATO was obsolete. It’s obsolete because it wasn’t taking care of terror. I took a lot of heat for two days. And then they started saying Trump is right.”

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 03:32 PM
March 27, 2016 -- Trump sends one of his earliest campaign-season tweets about NATO:

My statement on NATO being obsolete and disproportionately too expensive (and unfair) for the U.S. are now, finally, receiving plaudits!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 27, 2016

April 2, 2016 -- Trump doubles down on NATO criticism at a Racine, WI campaign rally, but admits he’s only a recent study on the NATO topic:

“I said here’s the problem with NATO: it’s obsolete. Big statement to make when you don’t know that much about it, but I learn quickly.”

April 8, 2016 -- “Looks like I was right about NATO,” Trump tweets, linking to a Foreign Policy article about other Republican senators arguing over NATO allies’ laggardly defense spending:

Looks like I was right about NATO. I had no doubt.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 8, 2016

June 6, 2016 -- Trump repeats his charge that the military alliance is obsolete, and points out that they are appointing a new intelligence chief, insinuating that his criticism prompted the move:

See, when I said NATO was obsolete because of no terrorism protection, they made the change without giving me credit.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 6, 2016

July 17, 2016 -- Trump and running mate Mike Pence are interviewed by CBS News’ Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes; she asked Trump to explain how he would tackle the fight against ISIS as president. NATO was invoked:

“We’re going to have surrounding states and, very importantly, get NATO involved because we support NATO far more than we should, frankly, because you have a lot of countries that aren’t doing what they’re supposed to be doing.”

July 20, 2016 -- Trump is, again, interviewed by the New York Times’ Maggie Haberman and David Sanger at the Republican National Convention:

“If we cannot be properly reimbursed for the tremendous cost of our military protecting other countries, and in many cases the countries I’m talking about are extremely rich...we have many NATO members that aren’t paying their bills.”

July 20, 2016 -- Trump softens his rhetoric, somewhat, on NATO; in a tweet, he does not refer to the military alliance “obsolete,” instead calling for fellow members to “pay their bills”:

Wow, NATO's top commander just announced that he agrees with me that alliance members must PAY THEIR BILLS. This is a general I will like!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 30, 2016

January 15, 2017 -- in a joint interview, post-election, pre-inauguration, with the Times of London and Germany’s Bild, Trump reflects on his “obsolete” comment, but insists he was both correct and vindicated:

“I took such heat, when I said NATO was obsolete. It’s obsolete because it wasn’t taking care of terror. I took a lot of heat for two days. And then they started saying Trump is right.”

Yea

NATO wasn't paying their fair share

thanks for proving my point

Horza
04-12-2022, 03:43 PM
Yea

NATO wasn't paying their fair share

thanks for proving my point

Not sure how obsolete I'd call it now that Trump's buddy is bombing cities just a handful of miles from the Polish border.

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 04:37 PM
Not sure how obsolete I'd call it now that Trump's buddy is bombing cities just a handful of miles from the Polish border.

Ukraine a part of NATO?

What point are you trying to make, Groomer

Skarne
04-12-2022, 04:54 PM
Why are people calling each other groomer these days?

Horza
04-12-2022, 04:59 PM
Ukraine a part of NATO?

What point are you trying to make, Groomer

Trump looks foolish for saying NATO is obsolete only five years from Russian bombs landing just a few miles from Poland, QAnon retard.

https://i.imgur.com/EGCLpYN.png

Why are people calling each other groomer these days?

Defending Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” bill, Fox News’ Tucker Carlson says teachers who talk to kids about gender identity should “get beaten up.” (https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/defending-floridas-dont-say-gay-bill-foxs-tucker-carlson-says-teachers-who-talk-kids)

robayon
04-12-2022, 05:00 PM
Why are people calling each other groomer these days?It's the latest desperate attempt at a culture war, some idiots on Youtube told him to do it and he calls absolutely everyone that isn't a right wing moron a Groomer because there's never any substance to his easily disproven claims

He's basically a Mean Girl

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 05:01 PM
Trump looks foolish for saying NATO is obsolete only five years from Russian bombs landing just a few miles from Poland, QAnon retard.

Ukraine isn't a part of NATO

Russian bombs only landing on Ukraine during Obama and Biden's watch dipshit

You must be a glutton for punishment

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 05:12 PM
Ukraine isn't a part of NATO

And for good reason.

Horza
04-12-2022, 05:20 PM
It's the latest desperate attempt at a culture war, some idiots on Youtube told him to do it and he calls absolutely everyone that isn't a right wing moron a Groomer because there's never any substance to his easily disproven claims

He's basically a Mean Girl

It's kind of impressive the influence Fox News talking heads have on their audience to convince them Democratic voters are pedophile groomers and simultaneously to support politicians like Roy Moore and Pedo Gaetz.

Skarne
04-12-2022, 05:32 PM
It's the latest desperate attempt at a culture war, some idiots on Youtube told him to do it and he calls absolutely everyone that isn't a right wing moron a Groomer because there's never any substance to his easily disproven claims

He's basically a Mean Girl

Ah ok thanks

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 05:32 PM
Bro, several election laws were changed (bypassing the consent of the legislatures) months before the election 'cuz Covid'

This is well documented

Why didn’t trump stop this as president? He can stop invasions and inflation apparently. This seems easier?

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 05:34 PM
I mean what is more important to you gravy, nato or the USA?

Should we make sacrafices to make sure nato stays strong?

I think letting democracies fall to orcs wouldn’t be in our best interest. Eventually, letting good people get curb stomped would bring the fight here

Or maybe not. I don’t claim to have a crystal ball like all the clairvoyant people ITT

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 05:41 PM
Why didn’t trump stop this as president? He can stop invasions and inflation apparently. This seems easier?

State's Rights

State electors are supposed to handle their own election laws, state by state

Trump warned what would happen several times prior to the election. Dems flooded swing states with lawsuits and to bypass state electors and get election laws changed. A lot of the rulings and changes were made by a judge.

Again, this is well documented and it's why you've seen several of these states make changes to their election laws since the 2020 election

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 05:48 PM
It's the latest desperate attempt at a culture war, some idiots on Youtube told him to do it and he calls absolutely everyone that isn't a right wing moron a Groomer because there's never any substance to his easily disproven claims

He's basically a Mean Girl

He's talking to kindergarteners

c-kfmEQ-5d8

Horza
04-12-2022, 05:53 PM
State's Rights

State electors are supposed to handle their own election laws, state by state

Trump warned what would happen several times prior to the election. Dems flooded swing states with lawsuits and to bypass state electors and get election laws changed. A lot of the rulings and changes were made by a judge.

Again, this is well documented and it's why you've seen several of these states make changes to their election laws since the 2020 election

What does any of this bitching and moaning about Trump's embarrassing defeat have to do with the war in Ukraine?

robayon
04-12-2022, 05:53 PM
He's talking to kindergarteners

c-kfmEQ-5d8I don't care

Go socialize with adults and do some normal shit ffs, stop being led around by the nose by youtube videos

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 06:00 PM
I don't care

of course you don't, Groomer

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 06:05 PM
What does any of this bitching and moaning about Trump's embarrassing defeat have to do with the war in Ukraine?

It's also the reason every federal court denied relief, you know. :p

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 06:09 PM
I think letting democracies fall to orcs wouldn’t be in our best interest. Eventually, letting good people get curb stomped would bring the fight here

Or maybe not. I don’t claim to have a crystal ball like all the clairvoyant people ITT

Yourw dodging the question with hyperbole.

First of all, you are claiming to know the future by saying that without nato russia would have taken over all the democracies in the region.

Which I would argue is evidently false since they cannot take a one full of gypises, and have no food and water, and were as much of a fake threat as they were during the cold war.

Second of all, nothing that I asked you had ANYTHING to do with your answer.

Unless you truly believe that NATO is more important to the balance of the world than the USA and therefore MORE important than the USA.

And in that case, you're an American hating globalist, take him away!

robayon
04-12-2022, 06:11 PM
of course you don't, GroomerYou can't even explain how what that guy said is bad objectively

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 06:12 PM
Look how much we spend compared to other countires, to protecet them from a paper tiger (that already revealed they were a paper tiger after they collapsed in 1990's)

United States — 811,140
United Kingdom — 72,765
Germany — 64,785
France — 58,729
Italy — 29,763
Canada — 26,523
Spain — 14,875
Netherlands — 14,378
Poland — 13,369
Turkey — 13,057

That money. is going. directly. to. mega. yachts.

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 06:12 PM
You can't even explain how what that guy said is bad objectively

Did you even watch the video?

He's talking to 5 year old children you sick *&^%$

robayon
04-12-2022, 06:18 PM
Did you even watch the video?

He's talking to 5 year old children you sick *&^%$Yes, I did, are you going to explain how it's bad or not?

Horza
04-12-2022, 06:18 PM
Yourw dodging the question with hyperbole.

First of all, you are claiming to know the future by saying that without nato russia would have taken over all the democracies in the region.

Which I would argue is evidently false since they cannot take a one full of gypises, and have no food and water, and were as much of a fake threat as they were during the cold war.

Second of all, nothing that I asked you had ANYTHING to do with your answer.

Unless you truly believe that NATO is more important to the balance of the world than the USA and therefore MORE important than the USA.

And in that case, you're an American hating globalist, take him away!

I thought the current right-wing talking point was that Trump wasn't actually anti-NATO.

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 06:18 PM
Yes, I did, are you going to explain how it's bad or not?

Becasue it's secret code for everyone kill your parents. Don't you watch japanese horror movies?

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 06:19 PM
I thought the current right-wing talking point was that Trump wasn't actually anti-NATO.

Nothing you think is ever correct so just follow that rule and youll be fine.

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 06:19 PM
United Kingdom — 72,765
Germany — 64,785
France — 58,729
Italy — 29,763
Canada — 26,523
Spain — 14,875
Netherlands — 14,378
Poland — 13,369
Turkey — 13,057


FrLequ6dUdM

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 06:20 PM
Yes, I did, are you going to explain how it's bad or not?

If you don't know then you're proving my point, Groomer

robayon
04-12-2022, 06:21 PM
Becasue it's secret code for everyone kill your parents. Don't you watch japanese horror movies?I think the last one I saw was some rendition of Tomie or something like that, one of the Junji Ito comics?

I've seen a handful

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 06:21 PM
FrLequ6dUdM

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robayon
04-12-2022, 06:23 PM
If you don't know then you're proving my point, GroomerI know you can't actually explain why it's bad without exposing your bigotry, it's okay, it was rhetoric

You're just a sad guy, I pity you

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 06:24 PM
I dont think not wanting children of the corn is bigotry

robayon
04-12-2022, 06:26 PM
I dont think not wanting children of the corn is bigotryI don't think explaining what gender dysphoria is leads to kids killing their parents

And I do not think that any of you fellas can summon a rational, objective explanation for why a person being trans is bad because such an explanation does not exist

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 06:26 PM
I know you can't actually explain why it's bad without exposing your bigotry, it's okay, it was rhetoric

You're just a sad guy, I pity you

lol serious?

You got problems, man

I dont think not wanting children of the corn is bigotry

Robo totally exposed himself *snicker*

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 06:27 PM
I don't think explaining what gender dysphoria is leads to kids killing their parents

And I do not think that any of you fellas can summon a rational, objective explanation for why a person being trans is bad because such an explanation does not exist

you should see The Brood.

https://i.imgur.com/ZU0Yk8h.png

Starkind is the mom.

https://i.imgur.com/OyLIGr8.png

robayon
04-12-2022, 06:28 PM
lol serious?

You got problems, manExplain to me why a person explaining gender dysphoria is bad

Go ahead, I dare you to do it

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 06:28 PM
Yourw dodging the question with hyperbole.

First of all, you are claiming to know the future by saying that without nato russia would have taken over all the democracies in the region.

Which I would argue is evidently false since they cannot take a one full of gypises, and have no food and water, and were as much of a fake threat as they were during the cold war.

Second of all, nothing that I asked you had ANYTHING to do with your answer.

Unless you truly believe that NATO is more important to the balance of the world than the USA and therefore MORE important than the USA.

And in that case, you're an American hating globalist, take him away!

I don’t think we’re making sacrifices for NATO. They sent troops to Afghanistan. We haven’t fought for any NATO countries in combat so far as I know, unless you consider French Indochina (Vietnam) to be a conflict resulting from our NATO obligations

Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania might be gone right now without NATO. Putin hasn’t been shy about interfering in the politics of neighboring states

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 06:30 PM
Explain to me why a person explaining gender dysphoria is bad

Go ahead, I dare you to do it

Seriously man

JUST STOP. I'm trying to help you.

robayon
04-12-2022, 06:31 PM
Seriously man

JUST STOP. I'm trying to help you.No you aren't, you're dodging an incredibly simple question... explain your beliefs. That's it. That's all you have to do.

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 06:32 PM
I don’t think we’re making sacrifices for NATO. They sent troops to Afghanistan. We haven’t fought for any NATO countries in combat so far as I know, unless you consider French Indochina (Vietnam) to be a conflict resulting from our NATO obligations

Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania might be gone right now without NATO

Ha!

The U.S. poverty rate, as measured by the OECD, was about 2 times higher than the peer country average of 9.6 percent. (That was 2020 -it is currently 11.4!)

More than one in five children in the United States lived in poverty (as measured by the share of children living in households with equivalent income below half of national median household income).

ALLL SO WE CAN SEND THEIR JOBS TO CHINA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbM2F-cfN0A)

So they can buy crap they dont need.

The country is being raped.

Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania might be gone right now without NATO

fiction! fear mongering! just an idea! We're talking real actual poverty, to protect us from a TWICE failed "super power" that TWICE has proven they have no food or water.

without nato's fear mongering... Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania might have taken over RUSSIA by now!!!!!

starkind
04-12-2022, 06:32 PM
you should see The Brood.

https://i.imgur.com/ZU0Yk8h.png

Starkind is the mom.

https://i.imgur.com/OyLIGr8.png

Nice. I always wanted kids XD

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 06:35 PM
Hahahaha!

The U.S. poverty rate, as measured by the OECD, was about 2 times higher than the peer country average of 9.6 percent. (That was 2020 -it is currently 11.4!)

More than one in five children in the United States lived in poverty (as measured by the share of children living in households with equivalent income below half of national median household income).

ALLL SO WE CAN SEND THEIR JOBS TO CHINA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbM2F-cfN0A)

All to sell those same people crap they dont need.

The country is being raped.



fiction! fantasy! fear mongering! jsut an idea! We're talking real actual poverty, to protect us from a TWICE failed "super power" that TWICE has proven they have no food or water.

without nato's fear mongering... Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania might have taken over RUSSIA by now!!!!!

What is median?

Horza
04-12-2022, 06:36 PM
you should see The Brood.

https://i.imgur.com/ZU0Yk8h.png

Starkind is the mom.

https://i.imgur.com/OyLIGr8.png

Can we get a designated thread for this derail about the latest scaremongering these morons saw on Tucker?

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 06:39 PM
Imagine reading those posts and being like, actually politically offended by them lol get a grip horza!

robayon
04-12-2022, 06:40 PM
Can we get a designated thread for this derail about the latest scaremongering these morons saw on Tucker?Derailing threads is cool and good, never let the stated subject matter deter you from posting unrelated information

Horza
04-12-2022, 06:44 PM
Imagine reading those posts and being like, actually politically offended by them lol get a grip horza!

Imagine being such a QAnon retard you think acknowledging the existence of LGBT people will make kids murder their parents.

robayon
04-12-2022, 06:44 PM
He's talking to kindergarteners

c-kfmEQ-5d8Can anyone on the right explain to me how what this person is saying is harmful to children since Elizondo lacks the courage to explain himself?

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 06:45 PM
Imagine being such a QAnon retard you think acknowledging the existence of LGBT people will make kids murder their parents.

That was a joke. Do you think that spiderman is real?

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 06:46 PM
Can anyone on the right explain to me how what this person is saying is harmful to children since Elizondo lacks the courage to explain himself?

Oh easy, it's coded instructions to murder your parents.

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 06:47 PM
Can anyone on the right explain to me how what this person is saying is harmful to children since Elizondo lacks the courage to explain himself?

He's talking to 5 year olds

You got issues

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 06:48 PM
Can anyone on the right explain to me how what this person is saying is harmful to children since Elizondo lacks the courage to explain himself?

Monkey see, monkey do.

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 06:50 PM
Ha!

The U.S. poverty rate, as measured by the OECD, was about 2 times higher than the peer country average of 9.6 percent. (That was 2020 -it is currently 11.4!)

More than one in five children in the United States lived in poverty (as measured by the share of children living in households with equivalent income below half of national median household income).

ALLL SO WE CAN SEND THEIR JOBS TO CHINA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbM2F-cfN0A)

So they can buy crap they dont need.

The country is being raped.



fiction! fear mongering! just an idea! We're talking real actual poverty, to protect us from a TWICE failed "super power" that TWICE has proven they have no food or water.

without nato's fear mongering... Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania might have taken over RUSSIA by now!!!!!

??? I am against poverty and sending jobs to China. Seems separate from NATO

Contrary to Russian propaganda, no one wants to conquer Russia. Russia, however, continually invades and interferes in politics on their borders

robayon
04-12-2022, 06:56 PM
He's talking to 5 year olds

You got issuesStill can't explain it I see

For someone worried about people explaining stuff to 5 year olds, you can't seem to muster any explanations yourself

Whatever, I'm sick of sealioning you, I know it's just based on your feelings and not facts

robayon
04-12-2022, 06:58 PM
Monkey see, monkey do.And...?

starkind
04-12-2022, 07:04 PM
https://i.imgur.com/46tKBq8.png

You think that the next batch will be any better lol?

Elizondo
04-12-2022, 07:05 PM
Still can't explain it I see

For someone worried about people explaining stuff to 5 year olds, you can't seem to muster any explanations yourself

Whatever, I'm sick of sealioning you, I know it's just based on your feelings and not facts

Bro you got some serious issues

He's talking to 5 year old children. What is there to explain?

Don't you get it?

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 07:11 PM
And...?

They're more promiscuous than average and prone to early onset mortality.

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robayon
04-12-2022, 07:11 PM
Bro you got some serious issues

He's talking to 5 year old children. What is there to explain?

Don't you get it?No, I don't, I'm deeply stupid. Why don't you enlighten me?

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 07:13 PM
https://i.imgur.com/46tKBq8.png

You think that the next batch will be any better lol?

Orc chieftain doesn’t like orc pawns

This is why I keep my Swiftwind at the hip. Earthcaller on my back baby

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 07:16 PM
??? I am against poverty and sending jobs to China. Seems separate from NATO

Contrary to Russian propaganda, no one wants to conquer Russia. Russia, however, continually invades and interferes in politics on their borders

It ensures a global trade system so that we can send our slaves to china.

What I said about those countries taking over Russia was 1. a joke and 2. I was saying that Russia is so weak, that without NATO protecting them from foreign invaders, half of Europe would have probably already taken over Russia, they are THAT PATHETIC. do you get it?


They have nothing to fear, I'm saying they are

PATHETIC

do you get it yet?

We never needed Nato to protect anyone from them...

And it probably in the end turned out to protect russia more than those European countries you said wouldnt exist with out NATO.

Horza
04-12-2022, 07:19 PM
That was a joke. Do you think that spiderman is real?

Trumptards are so goddamn pathetic, telling us all Russia isn't a threat but even acknowledging LGBT people exist is the real danger.

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 07:19 PM
The audacity! Can you imagine having a sense of humor, AND a stance on politics?!?!?!?

robayon
04-12-2022, 07:20 PM
They're more promiscuous than average and prone to early onset mortality.Men are more promiscuous than women on average, and they're also prone to early onset mortality

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 07:23 PM
Men are more promiscuous than women on average, and they're also prone to early onset mortality

I'm saying like, risk of liver/kidney damage from the tittytestiskittle medicines. They're supposed to get monitored I think?

Men are also more often murderers, do you want more men being created?

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 07:24 PM
telling us all Russia isn't a threat

Armed with only a couple of combine longswords even.

https://i.imgur.com/ELPZFR6.png

robayon
04-12-2022, 07:27 PM
I'm saying like, risk of liver/kidney damage from the tittytestiskittle medicines. They're supposed to get monitored I think?

Men are also more often murderers, do you want more men being created?I guess maybe, I don't know enough about those meds to say

No, absolutely not, I'd fully support even a capitalist world if only women were allowed to make political decisions

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 07:30 PM
Armed with only a couple of combine longswords even.

https://i.imgur.com/ELPZFR6.png

lol

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 07:40 PM
I guess maybe, I don't know enough about those meds to say

No, absolutely not, I'd fully support even a capitalist world if only women were allowed to make political decisions

Chris rock covered that

We’d have no war but countries wouldnt talk to each other

/shrug, merkel sucked ass. And if Iranian women ruled Iran, Jesus, it would be even worse. Everyone in the Middle East would get rekt, come piss off my wife I dare you

starkind
04-12-2022, 07:40 PM
I'm saying like, risk of liver/kidney damage from the tittytestiskittle medicines. They're supposed to get monitored I think?

Men are also more often murderers, do you want more men being created?

It's not super dangerous in healthy ppl. It can be in unhealthy ppl. If you're already sick, obese, addicted whatever, solve that first. It's easier just to hit the gym, health food emporium and get your shit toghether then to transition. And you're going to want to do that anyway.


It's not really high depending on circumstances. Tbh. I really feel like they do take about 10-20 "youthful" years outa ya. Depends on if u snip or not. Taking them at 20, you're going to menopause at 40. Not having testicles takes more out of u than the estrogen Itself is a risk factor.

For a healthy yoga instructor who watches sun exposure +5% cancer mortality rate.

For like a drug addict, it compounds complications and stuff. Like, +40% mortality rate overall on top of like smoking.

I was super heck'n fit for like 6 years, until I took buproprion and stopped eating or drinking water. That psych med was really dangerous af, is. Removed fear. Enabling self harm and helping me carry out with my plans in a manic state thinking that I was a burden. Dumb. Truly bad stuff.

Is it worth it? Not if you're going to kill yourself anyway. It really probably isn't. Only one way to find out though...

I don't think I could have lived with myself the other way (fully 100% intact nonmutilated all natural). Male. Tho. Anyway. So. Like... I dunno. Transitioning bought me 10, 15 years? While simultaneously taking 15 years? It's messy. Not fun. Hindsight. I REALLY wish I could have just stayed a guy.

I'm happier now tho. A lot nicer too.. even with this weird shit going on. No ragrets.

Like,... also... girls...the heck'n standards for women. Lol. It's not for the faint of heart :p

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 07:41 PM
Armed with only a couple of combine longswords even.

https://i.imgur.com/ELPZFR6.png

Hahaha gypsy camp I lol’ed

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 07:42 PM
We’d have no war but no countries would talk to each other


sounds great :confused:

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 07:43 PM
Wouldn’t*

Patriam1066
04-12-2022, 07:45 PM
It’s not great pettiness is almost worse than hostility

We need balance in everything. A woman ruled world would be just as bad as a male ruled one but for different reasons

starkind
04-12-2022, 07:49 PM
I agree.

Reiwa
04-12-2022, 07:52 PM
sounds great :confused:

A hermit kingdom, you say? :p

starkind
04-12-2022, 07:55 PM
Girls can be pretty vicious and petty. It would be like espionage world. Constantly everyone poisoning eachother to move up and backstabbing eachother to be like the popular country.

Horza
04-12-2022, 08:16 PM
sounds great :confused:

I guess it's a shame then your guy lost so badly.

Jibartik
04-12-2022, 11:50 PM
it is for the people of ukraine.

and those kids your guy drone striked.

and the folks that fell off the airplane when he tried to ditch them.

and those 13 americans he sent in to clean up his mess.

Horza
04-13-2022, 01:51 AM
it is for the people of ukraine.

and those kids your guy drone striked.

and the folks that fell off the airplane when he tried to ditch them.

and those 13 americans he sent in to clean up his mess.

You seriously think the people of Ukraine were happy with Trump illegally withholding congressionally approved military aid?

Elizondo
04-13-2022, 01:52 AM
it is for the people of ukraine.

and those kids your guy drone striked.

and the folks that fell off the airplane when he tried to ditch them.

and those 13 americans he sent in to clean up his mess.

Biden a total failure

Country suffering badly

Jibartik
04-13-2022, 02:37 AM
You seriously think the people of Ukraine were happy with Trump illegally withholding congressionally approved military aid?

considering the other option is rape, leveled cities and dead children and fathers then without a doubt yes. Are you certifiably insane?

Horza
04-13-2022, 03:04 AM
considering the other option is rape, leveled cities and dead children and fathers then without a doubt yes. Are you certifiably insane?

Holding back desperately needed military aid to extort the country for dirt on his political opponent and basically calling for the dissolution of NATO was all 4d chess to keep Putin from invading?

DMN
04-13-2022, 07:36 AM
Holding back desperately needed military aid to extort the country for dirt on his political opponent

Are you talking about biden or obama?

Jibartik
04-13-2022, 12:51 PM
Horza

"speculative new age western partisan political election debate"

vs

https://i.imgur.com/PbMYpYj.png

Elizondo
04-13-2022, 12:58 PM
Sad Horza unaware Pudding invaded on Biden's watch

Sadly the pillows Obama and Biden sent Ukraine were not a deterrent

Jibartik
04-13-2022, 12:59 PM
I know that that picture looks rough. but 5,000 miles away a few years before trump tweeted Cofvefe.

Horza
04-13-2022, 02:02 PM
It's not Project 1999 without Trumptards swarming every thread to whine about how everything would be better if their rape daddy hadn't lost.

Elizondo
04-13-2022, 02:17 PM
It's not Project 1999 without Trumptards swarming every thread to whine about how everything would be better if their rape daddy hadn't lost.

Ok Groomer

BlackBellamy
04-13-2022, 03:14 PM
It's not any forum on the internet without people calling each other rapists and racists and pedophiles to advance their partisan political point that gives them meaning, regardless of the subject being discussed.

These conversations didn't exist 30 years ago because anyone saying provocative stuff out loud would have their fucking clock cleaned if they got too aggressive or personal. Even the mentally ill realized they were getting beaten up too often.

But now free of consequences the defectives can behave however they like. I hope it doesn't come across as a pejorative, I'm trying to be objective; society works best when people are agreeable and nice. To behave in an inciteful and hateful manner is a defect. Defects can be overcome or fixed, but it's so easy now not to. There's no outside pressure any more, it has to be a personal choice.

I do love that Trump was a rapist though. What a way to appeal to the common man, eh? I mean c'mon we've all been there, raping a little bit, amirite? (That last sentence was said in a Bill Clinton voice). Maybe my brother Bobby and I can give you a little tour of the White House? (That was in Kennedy's voice). Say it out loud! It's like ASMR for rape fans.

Trump is only the next rapist in a long line of presidential rapists. I'm sure there were many more, before the loss of Presidential Privacy when newspapers were yellow and powered by industry and war.

I hope he's not the last. I'm not talking about a Raping President being the embodiment of strength and virility (which of course it would be), I'm talking about giving people a chance. Isn't that what America is all about? Raping in your own country, then coming over here for a fresh start as you are given asylum by the people who paid the people who paid you to rape?

I'm not saying we should look for a rapist as our next president. But if it happens, can we all unify behind him so he also can have a Space Center named after him?

Jibartik
04-13-2022, 03:56 PM
It's not Project 1999 without Trumptards swarming every thread to whine about how everything would be better if their rape daddy hadn't lost.

well when the best thing you have to say about 2 years is

13 dead american soldiers

7 daed drone striked kids

people falling off of airplanes

Taliban control of afghanastan along with more military equipment than we've sent ukraine.

world war 3 threats being taken seriously

European countries in smoldering rubble.

Moving the goalpost form transitory inflation to ->full blown recession (with depression where we said it was going when you said it was transitory)

I mean, you name it, you cant, what's going well? What is Biden accomplishing besides all these complete disasters?

Gravydoo II
04-13-2022, 04:43 PM
I love when they parade out the dead like "look at my talking point, a dead soldier." wow.. nobody ever dies when they get deployed, either. Nobody died for 4 straight years in the military while rape daddy was in charge. They even quit drinking and smoking too, right? No DUI's either, right? LOL

Elizondo
04-13-2022, 05:02 PM
I love when they parade out the dead like "look at my talking point, a dead soldier." wow.. nobody ever dies when they get deployed, either. Nobody died for 4 straight years in the military while rape daddy was in charge. They even quit drinking and smoking too, right? No DUI's either, right? LOL

Biscuits confirmed psychopath

Jibartik
04-13-2022, 05:03 PM
lol so much for his stolen valor routine.

Reiwa
04-13-2022, 07:07 PM
Russia sanctioned AOC. Fight!

Patriam1066
04-13-2022, 08:27 PM
Russia sanctioned AOC. Fight!

Lol

Gravydoo II
04-13-2022, 09:36 PM
Biscuits confirmed psychopath

You're the pedophile obsessed guy, right?

Gravydoo II
04-13-2022, 09:38 PM
lol so much for his stolen valor routine.

its just funny how you march out the corpses of other peoples kids. Thats someones son, daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, father, mother.. lets just drag em over here to make a little point on a forum. You value them more in death than you do in life. You NEVER mention them outside of dead ones.. its fucking weird and shows just how callus you are. Their sacrifice to get the job done, not good enough for you. You dig em up every chance you get to make a little point but do you pay them for it? You're paying the families for using their dead relatives as a political football, righht?

Elizondo
04-13-2022, 10:24 PM
You're the pedophile obsessed guy, right?

You're not making any sense, Groomer

Jibartik
04-13-2022, 11:22 PM
its just funny how you march out the corpses of other peoples kids. Thats someones son, daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, father, mother.. lets just drag em over here to make a little point on a forum. You value them more in death than you do in life. You NEVER mention them outside of dead ones.. its fucking weird and shows just how callus you are. Their sacrifice to get the job done, not good enough for you. You dig em up every chance you get to make a little point but do you pay them for it? You're paying the families for using their dead relatives as a political football, righht?

No I march the complete ineptitude of a president singlehandedly being the direct cause of more deaths in 1 month than trump was in 4 years.

Topgunben
04-14-2022, 01:36 AM
No I march the complete ineptitude of a president singlehandedly being the direct cause of more deaths in 1 month than trump was in 4 years.

Amen. Trump keeps the peace and Biden’s weakness is the main reason Russia attacked.

This would have absolutely never happened under Trump.

Trexller
04-14-2022, 02:08 AM
This would have absolutely never happened under Trump.

+1

Horza
04-14-2022, 02:13 AM
Trump sure as hell wouldn't have given billions in arms to Ukraine if they didn't come up with something juicy on Hunter.

Trexller
04-14-2022, 02:14 AM
I mean, you name it, you cant, what's going well? What is Biden accomplishing besides all these complete disasters?

I've asked this question several times each in several different threads, and I only ever got 1 legitimate answer. Reiwa said that the child tax credit is a good thing. He's right.

funny tho how if you ask the forum's Biden cheerleaders (botten, gravy, horza) all you get is dead silence, until they take a swipe at someone.

Gravydoo II
04-14-2022, 07:23 AM
I've asked this question several times each in several different threads, and I only ever got 1 legitimate answer. Reiwa said that the child tax credit is a good thing. He's right.

funny tho how if you ask the forum's Biden cheerleaders (botten, gravy, horza) all you get is dead silence, until they take a swipe at someone.

Do your own research laggot

Gravydoo II
04-14-2022, 07:43 AM
No I march the complete ineptitude of a president singlehandedly being the direct cause of more deaths in 1 month than trump was in 4 years.

So a rapist stopped all bombings around the entire world during their time as president..?

Jibartik
04-14-2022, 11:49 AM
Russia lost their biggest ship in a land war.

NATO protects Russia.

So a rapist stopped all bombings around the entire world during their time as president..?

Whatever hyperbole you want to call him, yes. And he even drone striked murderer high ranking general (not kids) and pulled off no wars.

the score is

1 general
0 us deaths
0 wars

vs
0 generals
13 us military deaths
1 world war 3

Reiwa
04-14-2022, 11:59 AM
Russia lost their biggest ship in a land war.

The Wrath of Poseidon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune_(cruise_missile))

Gravydoo II
04-14-2022, 01:47 PM
Russia lost their biggest ship in a land war.

NATO protects Russia.



Whatever hyperbole you want to call him, yes. And he even drone striked murderer high ranking general (not kids) and pulled off no wars.

the score is

1 general
0 us deaths
0 wars

vs
0 generals
13 us military deaths
1 world war 3



Wow what about all those bombing all over the world that happened killing hundreds of people?? They dont count?? A death is a death. What does it matter what uniform they wear? They died while rape daddy was in charge, hes responsible, by your own logic.

See how fucking retarded you sound?

Jibartik
04-14-2022, 01:55 PM
That guy that gave Russia Crimea and then became president and failed in Afghanistan and is looking like he walked us into world war 3 after letting half of Ukraine become rubble to strengthen his parties policy meanwhile we had 4 years of peace 2 years ago.

Horza
04-14-2022, 02:06 PM
Wow what about all those bombing all over the world that happened killing hundreds of people?? They dont count?? A death is a death. What does it matter what uniform they wear? They died while rape daddy was in charge, hes responsible, by your own logic.

See how fucking retarded you sound?

Trumptards like Jib don't care that tens or even hundreds of thousands of civilians have are dead, they're too busy trying to score imaginary points against that jerk who beat their rape daddy.

Gravydoo II
04-14-2022, 02:13 PM
Looks like about fifty or more terrorist attacks happened under rape daddy.. Some in Syria, wasnt that one of the places rape daddy pacified by looking at it on a map and said "good enough" then declared victory?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2015

Cause a lot of bombings happened in Syria.. Weird how rape daddy was in charge and hundreds if not thousands of people died from bombings, then hundreds of thousands from covid 19. (its the presidents job to protect the country from all threats, even diseases).

So those 500,000 or so dont count either?

Gravydoo II
04-14-2022, 02:14 PM
Looks like about fifty or more terrorist attacks happened under rape daddy.. Some in Syria, wasnt that one of the places rape daddy pacified by looking at it on a map and said "good enough" then declared victory?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2015

Cause a lot of bombings happened in Syria.. Weird how rape daddy was in charge and hundreds if not thousands of people died from bombings, then hundreds of thousands from covid 19. (its the presidents job to protect the country from all threats, even diseases).

So those 500,000 or so dont count either?

Patriam1066
04-14-2022, 02:18 PM
Amen. Trump keeps the peace and Biden’s weakness is the main reason Russia attacked.

This would have absolutely never happened under Trump.

Maybe. Maybe not

No way to know buddy

Jibartik
04-14-2022, 02:48 PM
Hmm (https://youtu.be/7TZNv86-OmI?t=08) pretty obvious though.

No other reason to pause an invasion for 4 years.

Horza
04-14-2022, 03:05 PM
He may not know one way or the other for certain, but Jib still believes in his morbidly obese messianic figure.

Jibartik
04-14-2022, 03:29 PM
I mean was world war 3 and a recession your plan?

Horza
04-14-2022, 03:50 PM
Nobody in their right mind is scared of this guy, retard.

MQmASaUi9pc

Jibartik
04-14-2022, 03:57 PM
You are. But you're definitely not in your right mind.

Are you saying Putin is?

Horza
04-14-2022, 04:02 PM
I wonder what you Trump cultists will do when the fatass finally strokes out.

Topgunben
04-14-2022, 06:16 PM
Maybe. Maybe not

No way to know buddy

That’s true. There is no way to be 100% sure because anything is possible.

But compare the strength and posturing of Trump versus what Biden does. It’s a night and day difference.

Gravydoo II
04-14-2022, 06:38 PM
I dont think that "we can bribe him into anything" is a good position for the POTUS.

robayon
04-14-2022, 06:56 PM
I wonder what you Trump cultists will do when the fatass finally strokes out.I predict immediate rumors that he's not really dead, that he faked his death, that he did it just as another move in his 4D chess to take down the pedophiles he's associated with for decades

Patriam1066
04-14-2022, 07:44 PM
Haha Russian ship sunk by Ukrainian Soviet era missile

Hahahahahahahahahahahah

Trexller
04-14-2022, 11:02 PM
I dont think that "we can bribe him into anything" is a good position for the POTUS.

It can't be that bad, Biden was bought and sold decades ago, and you stand behind his administration 110%

Haha Russian ship sunk by Ukrainian Soviet era missile

Hahahahahahahahahahahah

yeah every day is a new embarrasment for the ol' soviets. in a few years or so, there will be some pretty good war films about this conflict, im looking forward to it. <3 me some good war movies.

Jibartik
04-14-2022, 11:47 PM
Haha Russian ship sunk by Ukrainian Soviet era missile

Hahahahahahahahahahahah

Oh gosh sounds like we need more NATO to protect Ukraine!!!!

when are you going to figure it out if they weren't so afraid of nato we'd have seen this paper tiger collapse 30 years ago when the soviet union collapsed and we'd not have twice the highest poverty in our country than any other developed nation while we spend billions on defense to protect people from them.

Patriam1066
04-14-2022, 11:57 PM
NATO and the EU are better than the alternatives. You see, these organizations were started because the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were very, very bad. Your desire for perfection is unrealistic, and your view that things would’ve happened differently in their absence, while likely, doesn’t prove that the alternative would’ve been better. Given every global power in history being imperialistic and opportunistic, I think an order where there is more peace and more trade is better. Ideally, this could be done without leaving farmers and factory workers behind. But I’m not in charge

Reiwa
04-15-2022, 12:04 AM
Haha Russian ship sunk by Ukrainian Soviet era missile

Hahahahahahahahahahahah

The Soviet one doesn't go that far so I'm pretty sure they strapped some shitty booster that they bought onto it and called it an invention.

Pretty good for Slavic Rednecks.

Horza
04-15-2022, 12:22 AM
The Soviet one doesn't go that far so I'm pretty sure they strapped some shitty booster that they bought onto it and called it an invention.

Pretty good for Slavic Rednecks.

If it works, it works.

Just look at how angry Jib and the rest of the pro-Russia folks are now, it's hilarious.

Patriam1066
04-15-2022, 01:28 AM
The Soviet one doesn't go that far so I'm pretty sure they strapped some shitty booster that they bought onto it and called it an invention.

Pretty good for Slavic Rednecks.

Didn’t Ukraine have a lot of the missile building infrastructure of the Soviet Union? Man Putin is dumb

I do like that the missile is called “Neptune” though

Reiwa
04-15-2022, 01:28 AM
If it works, it works.

Just look at how angry Jib and the rest of the pro-Russia folks are now, it's hilarious.

I reckon that if war technology has progressed to the point that tiny Ukraine can resist and overcome vast Russia then Christ's work is already completed or will be very soon.

Maybe keep sending dollars for awhile until we're sure. ✌️

starkind
04-15-2022, 08:39 AM
So at what point do regional leaders just break with Moscow and the Kremlin and form their own alliance ignoring that Putin even exists anymore, just leaving him to rot in his bunker cut off from the world?

Patriam1066
04-15-2022, 03:45 PM
That’s pretty much what Finland and Sweden are about to do when they join NATO. Poor midget Vlad got stepped on

BlackBellamy
04-18-2022, 08:54 AM
Didn’t Ukraine have a lot of the missile building infrastructure of the Soviet Union? Man Putin is dumb

I do like that the missile is called “Neptune” though

The Ukrainians have turned the old Luch Design Bureau from the Soviet Union days into a modern arms maker.

Besides the Neptune, they had considerable success with the Stugna-P anti-armor system, which in terms of operator survivability is the best system of that type in the world right now because it allows the operator to engage from a different position than the launcher thus not being exposed to any return fire.

Look at that thing. So sleek, so beautiful, so deadly.

https://i.imgur.com/WWR8zsn.jpg

...and the proof is in the pudding:

https://i.imgur.com/DfhIoUQ.jpg

MrSparkle001
04-18-2022, 09:51 AM
I reckon that if war technology has progressed to the point that tiny Ukraine can resist and overcome vast Russia then Christ's work is already completed or will be very soon.

Maybe keep sending dollars for awhile until we're sure. ✌️

I think they're only resisting and overcoming because Russia isn't out to flatten the country.

Not that I think their military is competent but if they were unleashed to cause total destruction it would be a different story. They're obviously not well trained or equipped to handle these urban engagements and in my opinion are holding back their true might...and I'm not talking nukes.

We saw the same kind of thing when they were in Afghanistan. They either have to commit fully and bring the full might of their military to bear or they suffer. They're not an urban warfare and occupation military. They don't know how to do it.

Putin put himself in an unwinnable situation. If he unleashed his military to utterly decimate Ukraine and it's forces the world would have reacted a lot more strongly, and if he instead chooses urban warfare and occupation while trying to keep the destruction minimized he faces a Ukraine that will resist him and fight back for years, maybe even for generations. The Russian military is obviously not capable of that. They weren't capable of it 30 years ago and they're even less capable now.

What a dumbass he is.

Jibartik
04-18-2022, 11:13 AM
Why we dont need NATO:

https://i.imgur.com/WIrvg5R.png

https://i.imgur.com/nJ66nAR.png

https://i.imgur.com/DhSLmHK.png

Money sent to Directly to Ukraine to fight russia: 15 billion (1 month)

https://i.imgur.com/gSsAB4s.png

Not to mention:

Money sent to directly Ukraine for national development: (1-3 billion a year.)


NATO has not done ONE THING to stop this war. It has done ZERO. the war is stopped bedcause of american military technology.

imagine if we gave ukraine the NATO budget to defend themselves? Russia would be ukraine right now.

WE DONT NEED NATO we spend the same money with or without it on military, and a country NOT EVEN IN NATO has beaten russia in a full blown war.

Reiwa
04-18-2022, 11:26 AM
Newsmail says the Azov's are trapped in a last stand at Mariupol metalworks...something about dumping water in the vents last week on social.

Jibartik
04-18-2022, 11:35 AM
Newsmail says the Azov's are trapped in a last stand at Mariupol metalworks...something about dumping water in the vents last week on social.

Ukrainian fighters are putting up a hellish last stand in tunnels under an abandoned Stalingrad-esque steel plant in Mariupol as Russian forces close in on the besieged port city.


that sounds like hell for sure

Gustoo
04-18-2022, 11:58 AM
Why we dont need NATO:

WE DONT NEED NATO

Why do you not like NATO?

We don't need anything. NATO is a treaty organization (it's in the name) that mandates its members to perform certain acts if certain other acts take place within certain areas.

Ya, we can spend money on weapons with or without NATO, no one ever wondered if that was possible.

Jibartik
04-18-2022, 12:02 PM
Why do you not like NATO?

We don't need anything. NATO is a treaty organization (it's in the name) that mandates its members to perform certain acts if certain other acts take place within certain areas.

Ya, we can spend money on weapons with or without NATO, no one ever wondered if that was possible.

because it's a redudant EU that funnels tax payer money into mega yachts and is a complete waste of money.

it doesnt matter, there wont be a nato in 10 years anyway weather we decide to keep it or not.

Not to mention what trump said: It doesnt make sense, were spending all this money to protect you from russia, and then you go and become energy dependant to russia, it doesnt make sense and we should call the whole thing off.

Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 12:29 PM
Why we dont need NATO:

https://i.imgur.com/WIrvg5R.png

https://i.imgur.com/nJ66nAR.png

https://i.imgur.com/DhSLmHK.png

Money sent to Directly to Ukraine to fight russia: 15 billion (1 month)

https://i.imgur.com/gSsAB4s.png

Not to mention:

Money sent to directly Ukraine for national development: (1-3 billion a year.)


NATO has not done ONE THING to stop this war. It has done ZERO. the war is stopped bedcause of american military technology.

imagine if we gave ukraine the NATO budget to defend themselves? Russia would be ukraine right now.

WE DONT NEED NATO we spend the same money with or without it on military, and a country NOT EVEN IN NATO has beaten russia in a full blown war.

Drugs

Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 12:32 PM
The Ukrainians have turned the old Luch Design Bureau from the Soviet Union days into a modern arms maker.

Besides the Neptune, they had considerable success with the Stugna-P anti-armor system, which in terms of operator survivability is the best system of that type in the world right now because it allows the operator to engage from a different position than the launcher thus not being exposed to any return fire.

Look at that thing. So sleek, so beautiful, so deadly.

https://i.imgur.com/WWR8zsn.jpg

...and the proof is in the pudding:

https://i.imgur.com/DfhIoUQ.jpg

I hope they sink the entire Black Sea fleet, it seems that would be all that might stop this war. Poor plucky little Ukraine, I don’t think Putin is sane enough to backdown.

Cool technology by the way. I knew they had a disproportionate amount of Soviet weapons manufacturing

Jibartik
04-18-2022, 12:35 PM
Nice NATO weapon used to sink that RUSSIAN ship you have there.

Trexller
04-18-2022, 01:03 PM
the world in 2021: Russia has the 2nd most powerful military on Earth.

the world in 2022: Russia has the 2nd most powerful military in Ukraine.

Jimjam
04-18-2022, 01:15 PM
because it's a redudant EU that funnels tax payer money into mega yachts and is a complete waste of money.

it doesnt matter, there wont be a nato in 10 years anyway weather we decide to keep it or not.

Not to mention what trump said: It doesnt make sense, were spending all this money to protect you from russia, and then you go and become energy dependant to russia, it doesnt make sense and we should call the whole thing off.

EU is an organisation based around freedom of trade and movement between it’s members (as well as protecting citizen rights). From what I understand, NATO is orientated primarily on military treaties.

They seem to have different roles. Please explain the overlap and how redundancy would be a bad thing? Surely if what you say is true, that they are comparable in role, redundancy gives resilience against either failing?

Jibartik
04-18-2022, 01:23 PM
EU is the executive branch and NATO is their nuclear armament, to put it bluntly.

Jimjam
04-18-2022, 01:45 PM
You’re confusing me further - you seem to have described them as different things?

How is this redundancy then? As a European this diffusion of power is a good thing.

It keeps dodgy US standards out of Europe but still provides access to their military. It also stops the militarisation of the EU which is something many Europeans are against (and was a factor in Brexit).

Reiwa
04-18-2022, 01:50 PM
You’re confusing me further - you seem to have described them as different things?

How is this redundancy then? As a European this diffusion of power is a good thing.

It keeps dodgy US standards out of Europe but still provides access to their military. It also stops the militarisation of the EU which is something many Europeans are against (and was a factor in Brexit).

Imagine an alien species that refused to create weapons while you're conquering their planet.

That's Europe.

Jimjam
04-18-2022, 01:58 PM
Imagine an alien species that refused to create weapons while you're conquering their planet.

That's Europe.

Thats not really true at all?

Europe has a huge amount of weapon tech. It’s just devolved from EU and instead unified under NATO and UN so it can work well with the US and other countries.

Where are you from to have this perspective?

Reiwa
04-18-2022, 02:05 PM
Thats not really true at all?

Europe has a huge amount of weapon tech. It’s just devolved from EU and instead unified under NATO and UN so it can work well with the US and other countries.

Where are you from to have this perspective?

USA USA USA

Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 02:06 PM
He’s from Seattle. He’s generally moderate but likes Putin and hates Ukraine for some reason (drugs)

Pokesan how would Spokane be to retire in?

starkind
04-18-2022, 02:19 PM
I heard from a little butterfly Putin thinks he is actually winning.

Probably because everyone is afraid to tell him otherwise. Which is pretty pathetic. How many empty rooms are there in Siberia for the remaining staff to figure this out?

Just cut the comms to the bunker and weld that fucking thing shut. Unconditionally surrender to Ukraine. You will be heroes. Gg.

starkind
04-18-2022, 02:24 PM
Also reiwa is a being a little punk. In the literal 1940s50s derogatory sense of the word.


punk
According to a 1950's slang dictionary the true root for the label "punk" was "a young male companion of a sodomite."
That boy in the red light district on the corner is nothing but a punk.


Especially in this thread. Someone get him a towel.

Jimjam
04-18-2022, 02:44 PM
Wow, that really puts new light on the “Sex Pistols” “Nevermind the Bollocks”!

BlackBellamy
04-18-2022, 02:47 PM
Thats not really true at all?

Europe has a huge amount of weapon tech. It’s just devolved from EU and instead unified under NATO and UN so it can work well with the US and other countries.

Where are you from to have this perspective?

The Bretton Woods Agreement after WW2 was basically this; The US will guarantee access to all ports with it's massive navy in exchange for dictating the security policies of well...Europe (and Japan, Australia, Korea, etc). So other industrialized nations didn't have to worry about anyone closing off sea lanes or straits because the Americans would take care of it and globalization and trade flourished. There was no incentive to keep large armed forces or well...really any forces at all, since the Americans would take care of it. That's why the current German army is a complete joke. NATO isn't a real organization, it's just a face-saving way for Europe to let the US be in charge. Do you think Germany or Spain or France are willing to get into a nuclear war or really over any war in Estonia? No, but the US is willing to get those countries involved and they have no choice because they traded their security for prosperity.

Skarne
04-18-2022, 02:50 PM
I'd hate to say it because I want the Ukranians to kick the Russians off their land. But I have a feeling Putin will stop at nothing to send his orcs until either he's personally stopped, or the country is taken completely.

It could take years and years, but I don't see him backing off unless he's either killed or his entire army destroyed.

Jibartik
04-18-2022, 03:09 PM
You’re confusing me further - you seem to have described them as different things?

How is this redundancy then? As a European this diffusion of power is a good thing.

It keeps dodgy US standards out of Europe but still provides access to their military. It also stops the militarisation of the EU which is something many Europeans are against (and was a factor in Brexit).

So if you attack a EU country its an attack against the EU (NATO)

if you attack a NATO country you attack the NATO (The EU)

The main difference between the EU & NATO is the purpose of their establishment. EU was founded prominently to ease and facilitate trade, while NATO is truly related to defense.

Its a stupid waste of money. They either need an EU or a NATO and none of it needs to be 90% subsidized by the USA to protect them from a country that cant even keep their boats afloat on a land war or their tanks right side up.

Especially if they're going to go and buy oil from RUSSIA.

Jimjam
04-18-2022, 03:17 PM
EU is needed for European Trade, which definitively excludes the US.

Europe also needs military organisation involving the US, this defacto can't be the EU, so another organisation is needed. This is where NATO steps in.

My question is what is the benefit of NATO when the UN exists?

Jibartik
04-18-2022, 03:18 PM
EU is needed for European Trade, which definitively excludes the US.

Europe also needs military organisation involving the US, this defacto can't be the EU, so another organisation is needed. This is where NATO steps in.

My question is what is the benefit of NATO when the UN exists?

Exactly, the EU is the excutive branch, NATO is their military, and the USA are their tax payers.

It's a scam. You said it yourself, people didnt want EU to have a military, well to bad because they do~!

NATO provides no benefit that the EU doesn't, except a way to funnel money into corrupt politicians yachts.

Each country should have its own defense and just support a country that is a part of the EU if it's attacked, the way it's supporting ukraine now.

What I describe is essentially how russia is being defeated.

Jibartik
04-18-2022, 03:25 PM
we pay for two orginizations that are directly designed to fight against each other.

NATO and the U.N. are two organizations trying to work together despite the fact that they have very different philosophies: NATO is an organization designed to fight war, if necessary, in order to defend peace; whereas the U.N. is an organization designed to avoid war in order to maintain peace.

NATO is awful warmongering corrupt and a system designed to make evil men rich and we need to GET RID OF IT!

Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 03:28 PM
I'd hate to say it because I want the Ukranians to kick the Russians off their land. But I have a feeling Putin will stop at nothing to send his orcs until either he's personally stopped, or the country is taken completely.

It could take years and years, but I don't see him backing off unless he's either killed or his entire army destroyed.

That’s pretty much how I see this playing out too man. The orcs like Sauron (Putin) and together they will murder as many Ukrainians as possible until they submit

Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 03:30 PM
The Bretton Woods Agreement after WW2 was basically this; The US will guarantee access to all ports with it's massive navy in exchange for dictating the security policies of well...Europe (and Japan, Australia, Korea, etc). So other industrialized nations didn't have to worry about anyone closing off sea lanes or straits because the Americans would take care of it and globalization and trade flourished. There was no incentive to keep large armed forces or well...really any forces at all, since the Americans would take care of it. That's why the current German army is a complete joke. NATO isn't a real organization, it's just a face-saving way for Europe to let the US be in charge. Do you think Germany or Spain or France are willing to get into a nuclear war or really over any war in Estonia? No, but the US is willing to get those countries involved and they have no choice because they traded their security for prosperity.

The French and Brits have fought recently in a variety of places. I don’t think you’re right about this

I also don’t think finland stays out of a war in Estonia, even if they don’t join NATO. Nor would Poland. Germany’s policies regarding its military and Russia have been a joke. I’ve been against Nordstream for a long time now because that was transparently stupid with Putin in power. That said, not all Europeans are pussies. There are quite a few Brits fighting in Ukraine right now as a matter of fact

Jimjam
04-18-2022, 03:43 PM
Exactly, the EU is the excutive branch, NATO is their military, and the USA are their tax payers.

It's a scam. You said it yourself, people didnt want EU to have a military, well to bad because they do~!

NATO provides no benefit that the EU doesn't, except a way to funnel money into corrupt politicians yachts.

Each country should have its own defense and just support a country that is a part of the EU if it's attacked, the way it's supporting ukraine now.

What I describe is essentially how russia is being defeated.

You’re conflating EU with Europe.

Europe doesn’t want the EU to have a military as it is too much concentration of power in one organisation.

EU members benefits from NATO without the EU organisation being too powerful. Europe needs military power which is outside the EU.

NATO absolutely should not be rolled in to EU, but some kind of alliance of Europe with the US needs to exist as they often cooperate and have aligned interests. Especially as UK is no longer in EU.

Jibartik
04-18-2022, 03:46 PM
That sounds like listening to someone try to sell me undercoating. But I think we agree, no more nato, eu takes care of itself?

Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 03:50 PM
You’re conflating EU with Europe.

Europe doesn’t want the EU to have a military as it is too much concentration of power in one organisation.

EU members benefits from NATO without the EU organisation being too powerful. Europe needs military power which is outside the EU.

NATO absolutely should bot be rolled in to EU, but some kind of alliance of Europe with the US needs to exist as they often cooperate and have aligned interests. Especially as UK is no longer in EU.

Jib doesn’t understand the role France and Britain have played and continue to play in the democratic world order

You’ll have to excuse him, public education taught me Latin 40 years ago but today it doesn’t teach the alphabet. He is cognitively impaired and thus believes Russia is not a threat even as it is killing civilians by the thousands on purpose

Slava Ukraini. Slava NATO

Gustoo
04-18-2022, 03:52 PM
My question is what is the benefit of NATO when the UN exists?

The UN includes Russia with veto power and China

NATO does things with actual military allies, UN tries to keep the states of the world communicating and find common ground between all the other shuffles.

Skarne
04-18-2022, 03:52 PM
Jib doesn’t understand the role France and Britain have played and continue to play in the democratic world order

You’ll have to excuse him, public education taught me Latin 40 years ago but today it doesn’t teach the alphabet. He is cognitively impaired and thus believes Russia is not a threat even as it is killing civilians by the thousands on purpose

Slava Ukraini. Slava NATO

I like this guy. Getting rid of NATO would be a massive mistake.

Jibartik
04-18-2022, 03:52 PM
NATOs job is to protect Europe from an army of upside down tanks and self sinking ships.

it's 70 years old, antiquated, and designed for an empire that hasn't existed for 30 and protects people from an enemy they buy oil from.

Jibartik
04-18-2022, 03:54 PM
Jib doesn’t understand the role France and Britain have played and continue to play in the democratic world order

You’ll have to excuse him, public education taught me Latin 40 years ago but today it doesn’t teach the alphabet. He is cognitively impaired and thus believes Russia is not a threat even as it is killing civilians by the thousands on purpose

Slava Ukraini. Slava NATO

I would say a sign of weakness would be taking so much personal offense and devoting your posts to personal attacks instead of countering one of my arguments with an actual fact or claim that isnt just your opinion.

Horza
04-18-2022, 03:59 PM
Finns want to join NATO, but Jib says NOOO!

Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 03:59 PM
Well first of all, you don’t seem to understand that Canada and the US aren’t in Europe. So I’m not sure how to argue with you. You want me to Amazon a globe to your address?

You also keep saying Russia isn’t a threat. I think Ukrainians disagree? Russia likes to attack on their frontiers. That is and was the express purpose of NATO. It’s quite clear it’s not antiquated nor is it a bad investment

Putin is going to hell dude. He is hitler. We curb stomped hitler too. He got wrecked. Didn’t make him not evil. It doesn’t matter that Russians are morons in track suits, what matters is they are murderers