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Jimjam
04-18-2022, 03:59 PM
Strategic ConceptsStrategic Concepts equip the Alliance for security challenges and guide its future political and military development.
They reiterate NATO’s enduring purpose and nature, and its fundamental security tasks.
They are renewed to take account of changes to the global security environment and to ensure the Alliance is properly prepared to execute its core tasks, making transformation in the broad sense of the term, a permanent feature of the Organization.
The current Strategic Concept “Active Engagement, Modern Defence” (2010) outlines three essential core tasks – collective defence, crisis management and cooperative security.
At the Brussels Summit in June 2021, NATO Leaders agreed to develop a new Strategic Concept in time for the Madrid summit in June 2022.
Over time, the Alliance and the wider world have developed in ways that NATO's founders could not have envisaged, and these changes have been reflected in each and every strategic document that NATO has ever produced.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_56626.htm
Seems NATO is more than a bogeyman?
Jibartik
04-18-2022, 04:08 PM
Well first of all, you don’t seem to understand that Canada and the US aren’t in Europe. So I’m not sure how to argue with you. You want me to Amazon a globe to your address?
How could you ask me if I understand that while im asking you why a country not in europe needs to pay for NATO to keep europe safe, when a country not in the EU or NATO upends russia, after we send them additional funds and weapons?
You're just going in a nascar circle. Why do you keep bringing up putin? He has nothign do do with NATO nato was formed before his dad and mom even had sex.
Putin has beef with Ukraine, and putin is related to ukraine. nato is NOT related to ukraine, or putin, as nato isnt doing shit to stop putin from invading ukraine, and we're paying for it anyway.
MrSparkle001
04-18-2022, 04:10 PM
NATOs job is to protect Europe from an army of upside down tanks and self sinking ships.
it's 70 years old, antiquated, and designed for an empire that hasn't existed for 30 and protects people from an enemy they buy oil from.
Which also has more nuclear weapons than any other country and is obviously willing to poison people and invade and conquer neighbors because of a leader's hurt feelings that the old Soviet Union is gone.
I'd say NATO is needed now more than it has been needed the past 40 years, along with a regime change in Russia to remove these ex-KGB Soviets from power.
We ('murica) also need to convince Europe to stop relying on them so damned much. I think they got the hint now, finally, but they couldn't care less before this mess because cheap gas. They're still slaves to their need for Russian gas though and will be for quite a while.
Jimjam
04-18-2022, 04:14 PM
How could you ask me if I understand that while im asking you why a country not in europe needs to pay for NATO to keep europe safe, when a country not in the EU or NATO upends russia, after we send them additional funds and weapons?
You're just going in a nascar circle. Why do you keep bringing up putin? He has nothign do do with NATO nato was formed before his dad and mom even had sex.
Putin has beef with Ukraine, and putin is related to ukraine. nato is NOT related to ukraine, or putin, as nato isnt doing shit to stop putin from invading ukraine, and we're paying for it anyway.
Preventing the formation of the United States of Eurasia is a key part of US foreign policy and as such is strongly invested into.
Jibartik
04-18-2022, 04:15 PM
Ok so lets get this straight:
USA hardline against russia.
Invents NATO to stop russia.
Russia falls.
NATO STAYS!
Years later:
America hardline against russia.
Russia invades non nato country.
America sends military aid.
Non nato country upends russia.
America is the thing stopping russia. NATO is just a way for americans to send money to politicians to buy yahts.
If anyone decides to use USA nukes, it wont be nato, it will be the USA. Nato would have 0% of a factor in making that decision.
If nato existed or not, and the USA was in the position it needed to use FIRST NUKE STRIKE against russia to stop it from invading the heart of europe, the decision would be because of an invasion of paris, not for breaking some NATO rules.
Skarne
04-18-2022, 04:17 PM
Ok so lets get this straight:
USA hardline against russia.
Invents NATO to stop russia.
Russia falls.
NATO STAYS!
Years later:
America hardline against russia.
Russia invades non nato country.
America sends military aid.
Non nato country upends russia.
America is the thing stopping russia. NATO is just a way for americans to send money to politicians to buy yahts.
If anyone decides to use USA nukes, it wont be nato, it will be the USA. Nato would have 0% of a factor in making that decision.
If nato existed or not, and the USA was in the position it needed to use FIRST NUKE STRIKE against russia to stop it from invading the heart of europe, the decision would be because of an invasion of paris, not for breaking some NATO rules.
Your opinion aren’t facts you have absolutely no idea how our government or the coalition of NATO would handle a nuclear attack in any of the scenarios you presented above. You do that a lot.
Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 04:19 PM
Estonia is only a sovereign country because of NATO. That’s the most succinct way I can explain it to you
And your argument that the US doesn’t gain from NATO is ridiculous. Britain and France are quite capable nations and will be needed if there is ever a world war
France designed its fighter to land on our carriers. You haven’t been paying attention bud. We aren’t at the end of history. Whatever America’s flaws, we are still light years ahead of Russia and China on human rights and on just not being pieces of shit. Unfortunately, invasions like the one in Ukraine still happen. Unfortunately, China may start world war 3 in Taiwan one day
Reiwa
04-18-2022, 04:20 PM
Ukraine invaded first (https://www.unian.info/war/10391709-almost-entire-grey-zone-in-donbas-liberated-by-ukraine-without-minsk-deal-breach-adviser.html)
Skarne
04-18-2022, 04:22 PM
Ukraine invaded first (https://www.unian.info/war/10391709-almost-entire-grey-zone-in-donbas-liberated-by-ukraine-without-minsk-deal-breach-adviser.html)
After Putin annexed Crimea and backed separatist groups in the Donbas…
Horza
04-18-2022, 04:22 PM
What's ridiculous about stupid Trumptard takes about the obsolescence of NATO as European cities are simultaneously being leveled?
Jibartik
04-18-2022, 04:22 PM
Your opinion aren’t facts you have absolutely no idea how our government or the coalition of NATO would handle a nuclear attack in any of the scenarios you presented above. You do that a lot.
Yeah if china nukes taiwan we wouldnt do anything cus no NATO you might be right OK (Not)
Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 04:25 PM
NATO defines things for shit heads like Putin. In the case of Taiwan, the US, Australia, abs Japan have stated publicly they would respond militarily to a Chinese attack on Taiwan
That is different than a codified and interoperative military alliance like NATO that trains together, uses interchangeable weapon systems, and has article 5
Reiwa
04-18-2022, 04:27 PM
After Putin annexed Crimea and backed separatist groups in the Donbas…
They agree to Donbas independence in 2015(after Crimea) and never follow through. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements)
That's the beef.
Jibartik
04-18-2022, 04:32 PM
Your opinion aren’t facts you have absolutely no idea how our government or the coalition of NATO would handle a nuclear attack in any of the scenarios you presented above. You do that a lot.
You say Im talking opinions and im arguing against:
NATO defines things for shit heads like Putin.
comon man quit with the bias.
I'm trying to be as clear and fair as I can be with my opinions yes, these are my opinions, I'm not psychic or implying that so quit jumping down my throat because you dont agree with me here.
Nato is a waste of money, it's antiquated, if any (former) nato country were invaded with or without it, we'd react the same way.
Meanwhile without nato, Russia is stopped dead in its tracks, and has gotten itself into an unwinnable situation without full blown world war 3 breaking out.
We can do this as long as they can, and we can do it a lot longer and so will the ukrains.
And none of it ahs anything to do with NATO.
It has to do with the west, and europe, and your and my similar idiology, that invasion of ukraine = bad.
Invasion of any european country = bad.
It's a culture of the west. We dont need NATO to remind us of that.
All that said, if NATO was used to "detur" russia... then why is ukraine not in it? Russias prized jewel?? Obviously, the answer (YES IN MY OPINION SKARN!) is that it's because NATO is an antiquated, Old, corrupt, wasteful, legacy and shadow of it's former need and self, and is time to be put to pasture.
Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 04:33 PM
They agree to Donbas independence in 2015(after Crimea) and never follow through. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements)
That's the beef.
After invading a country that got its ass kicked, Russia forces that country under duress to sign an agreement to allow referenda AFTER Russian separatists relinquish control of territory
They never did, no argument, and a coerced agreement with a gun to your head doesn’t count anyway
Russia is transparently wrong on all counts and if there were referenda held in Luhansk and Donetsk today, you know they’d all choose to stay in Ukraine. You’re being ridiculous dude. You can’t invade a country and force them to sign over territory and call that legal
Reiwa
04-18-2022, 04:37 PM
After invading a country that got its ass kicked, Russia forces that country under duress to sign an agreement to allow referenda AFTER Russian separatists relinquish control of territory
They never did, no argument, and a coerced agreement with a gun to your head doesn’t count anyway
Russia is transparently wrong on all counts and if there were referenda held in Luhansk and Donetsk today, you know they’d all choose to stay in Ukraine. You’re being ridiculous dude. You can’t invade a country and force them to sign over territory and call that legal
The votes held were 'disputed' by Ukraine because Ukraine decided either they get to control the fuckin' thing(which was never part of the deal) or it don't count.
Jimjam
04-18-2022, 04:37 PM
But if NATO didn't exist, wouldn't these frequent allies need a communication and training channel which would be NATO in everything but name?
Skarne
04-18-2022, 04:37 PM
[QUOTE=Jibartik;3448088]You say Im talking opinions and im arguing against:
comon man quit with the bias.
I'm trying to be as clear and fair as I can be with my opinions yes, these are my opinions, I'm not psychic or implying that so quit jumping down my throat because you dont agree with me here.
Yeah fair enough and good point
Skarne
04-18-2022, 04:37 PM
After invading a country that got its ass kicked, Russia forces that country under duress to sign an agreement to allow referenda AFTER Russian separatists relinquish control of territory
They never did, no argument, and a coerced agreement with a gun to your head doesn’t count anyway
Russia is transparently wrong on all counts and if there were referenda held in Luhansk and Donetsk today, you know they’d all choose to stay in Ukraine. You’re being ridiculous dude. You can’t invade a country and force them to sign over territory and call that legal
I agree
Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 04:38 PM
You say Im talking opinions and im arguing against:
comon man quit with the bias.
I'm trying to be as clear and fair as I can be with my opinions yes, these are my opinions, I'm not psychic or implying that so quit jumping down my throat because you dont agree with me here.
Nato is a waste of money, it's antiquated, if any (former) nato country were invaded with or without it, we'd react the same way.
Meanwhile without nato, Russia is stopped dead in its tracks, and has gotten itself into an unwinnable situation without full blown world war 3 breaking out.
We can do this as long as they can, and we can do it a lot longer and so will the ukrains.
And none of it ahs anything to do with NATO.
It has to do with the west, and europe, and your and my similar idiology, that invasion of ukraine = bad.
Invasion of any european country = bad.
It's a culture of the west. We dont need NATO to remind us of that.
All that said, if NATO was used to "detur" russia... then why is ukraine not in it? Russias prized jewel?? Obviously, the answer (YES IN MY OPINION SKARN!) is that it's because NATO is an antiquated, Old, corrupt, wasteful, legacy and shadow of it's former need and self, and is time to be put to pasture.
You’re saying NATO is antiquated and a waste of money. I think preventing one Estonian from dying how the Ukrainians are now dying is worth every penny
My uncle died fighting saddam’s armored columns after they, for no reason, invaded Iran. The conflict killed a million according to any Iranian estimate, and given how no family from Iran didn’t lose a son, I’d say that might be accurate
I have zero sympathy for Russia or China and even though I disagree with democracy quite often, a people should never die because a shithead like Saddam or Putin doesn’t like them. NATO is the ONLY reason Putin hasn’t claimed Russian parts of Latvia and Estonia and done the same thing to them as he’s doing to Ukraine.
NATO’s purpose is to prevent a larger conflict, which, as you correctly point out, would involve us anyway. It’s doing exactly what it was intended to do, keeping the border with Russia safe from orcs
Horza
04-18-2022, 04:42 PM
Meanwhile without nato, Russia is stopped dead in its tracks, and has gotten itself into an unwinnable situation without full blown world war 3 breaking out.
We can do this as long as they can, and we can do it a lot longer and so will the ukrains.
And none of it ahs anything to do with NATO.
Who exactly do you think has been supplying Ukraine with weapons the whole time?
Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 04:43 PM
The votes held were 'disputed' by Ukraine because Ukraine decided either they get to control the fuckin' thing(which was never part of the deal) or it don't count.
You think Putin wins 90% of the vote every time, don’t you?
And it doesn’t matter, if you force me at gunpoint to sign an agreement with you, I will later be boondock saints’ing your ass
You’re too intelligent to believe the legal argument you’re espousing. Ukraine had to have all of the territory back, none of it controlled by “separatists” (at that time, Russian regular forces not marked, today Ukrainians recruited to serve). That was in the agreement. Russia did not give up control of Ukrainian territory in Donbas
Reiwa
04-18-2022, 04:47 PM
You think Putin wins 90% of the vote every time, don’t you?
And it doesn’t matter, if you force me at gunpoint to sign an agreement with you, I will later be boondock saints’ing your ass
You’re too intelligent to believe the legal argument you’re espousing. Ukraine had to have all of the territory back, none of it controlled by “separatists” (at that time, Russian regular forces not marked, today Ukrainians recruited to serve). That was in the agreement. Russia did not give up control of Ukrainian territory in Donbas
History will judge my efforts to troll Dino ITT. :)
Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 04:53 PM
I definitely figured you were trolling. Even still, people are dumb enough to believe the shit you post.
It seems Dino is ukrainian?
Jibartik
04-18-2022, 04:54 PM
Who exactly do you think has been supplying Ukraine with weapons the whole time?
The USA.
And their home grown weapons, like the one that sunk the battleship.
So nato is useless.
And before you say nato donates weapons, those weapons are 80% paid for by USA.
You're welcome world that hates us.
And congrats Ukraine, for single handedly using your own military and weapons from the USA to do NATO's job.
Horza
04-18-2022, 04:56 PM
The USA.
lol never change Trumptards.
Reiwa
04-18-2022, 04:56 PM
I definitely figured you were trolling. Even still, people are dumb enough to believe the shit you post.
It seems Dino is ukrainian?
Either that or up to something suspicious. Much curious!
Jibartik
04-18-2022, 04:57 PM
lol never change Trumptards.
Ok smarty pants, you tell me then, who?
Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 05:00 PM
The USA.
And their home grown weapons, like the one that sunk the battleship.
So nato is useless.
And before you say nato donates weapons, those weapons are 80% paid for by USA.
You're welcome world that hates us.
And congrats Ukraine, for single handedly using your own military and weapons from the USA to do NATO's job.
NATO’s job was to defend Ukraine? Now you have me really confused
Jibartik
04-18-2022, 05:03 PM
NATO’s job was to defend Ukraine? Now you have me really confused
It's not its job but it's an obvious cultural value that we do, to us and everyone who's in NATO.
The US and other NATO countries have sent thousands of weapons to Ukraine in recent weeks. The shipments include anti-armor and anti-aircraft missiles which could be used against Russian tanks and helicopters . The weapons are being used by Ukrainian fighters to push back Russian forces.
See nato is a waste.
You tell me, what would be the difference between NATO and all the countries in nato signing a decleartion that if any of them attack each other, or if russia attacks any of them, they'd all send money and weapons to that country to defend itself.
Why anticipate it? The cold war ended 30 years ago. NATO is not doing anything to stop it from starting now.
Horza
04-18-2022, 05:05 PM
Ok smarty pants, you tell me then, who?
The U.S., France, the U.K., the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Slovakia, Sweden, Poland and Turkey.
Jimjam
04-18-2022, 05:06 PM
The USA.
And their home grown weapons, like the one that sunk the battleship.
So nato is useless.
And before you say nato donates weapons, those weapons are 80% paid for by USA.
You're welcome world that hates us.
And congrats Ukraine, for single handedly using your own military and weapons from the USA to do NATO's job.
EU in March committed to financing E450m when US had committed 350m.
Individual members also contribute on top of that.
Outdated by a month source: https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/03/04/ukraine-war-these-countries-are-sending-weapons-and-aid-to-forces-fighting-the-russian-inv
USA not long after announced a $800m package.
Turkey has famously sent drones.
Again outdated by a month source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/17/what-weapons-have-other-countries-supplied-to-ukraine
So you can see it is not just US funding Ukraine through NATO. Even if it were mainly US funding Ukraine's defence through NATO, surely that would be better than nothing at all? Russia is trying to remove the country from the map and turn it Russian and make the population Russian.
Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 05:06 PM
Yes but we’re doing that because orcs are perpetrating an unconscionable murder campaign against a free people. NATO’s job is to defend its members. We aren’t fighting for Ukraine, they are fighting for themselves with our weapons because they were outmatched by orcs
Edit: this was in response to Jib’s post, not Jimjam’s
Jibartik
04-18-2022, 05:06 PM
The U.S., France, the U.K., the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Slovakia, Sweden, Poland and Turkey.
Nato countries!
Jibartik
04-18-2022, 05:09 PM
Yes but we’re doing that because orcs are perpetrating an unconscionable murder campaign against a free people. NATO’s job is to defend its members. We are fighting for Ukraine, they are fighting for themselves with our weapons because they were outmatched by orcs
Edit: this was in response to Jib’s post, not Jimjam’s
Natos members does not need nato to defend itself if its members are sending arms to a country not in nato to defend itself.
Why cant they just agree to do this, without natio? You said yourself nato is not helping, yet the countries that are in nato are helping, so what the f is nato then?
You cant explain to me why nato needs to be anything more than a signed affidavit.
Jimjam
04-18-2022, 05:10 PM
Nato countries!
Do you think NATO was able to help these countries coordinate their contributions? A huge part of NATO is to act as an established comms channel between all members.
Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 05:11 PM
I don’t see the difference, assuming we still have multinational bases in member countries and joint training
If such a structure existed, Putin would still say it’s a threat to Russia and there would still be detractors blaming wars like the one in Ukraine on its existence (instead of the true problem, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin)
Jibartik
04-18-2022, 05:12 PM
Do you think NATO was able to help these countries coordinate their contributions?
Sorry, before I answer that question, lets clarify, do you think NATO or American military intelligence is what is helping Ukraine win this war.
Because my answer to that question is, sure, but it's a drop in the bucket to American military intelligence that Ukraine is getting from us.
As far as NATO's involvement in this war, horza and pat have made it clear it is 0.
Jibartik
04-18-2022, 05:13 PM
I don’t see the difference, assuming we still have multinational bases in member countries and joint training
Why cant each country build its own defense, and forts, and they just light the towers of gondor?
One might argue NATOs only role is to light the tower of gondor to call the aid of the USA.
Jimjam
04-18-2022, 05:20 PM
heya, sorry I edited.
From what I understand with my recent reading, a huge part of NATO is to act as an established comms channel between all members.
My impression is this channel would play a role in sharing the intelligence you mention, as well as coordinating contributions.
Jimjam
04-18-2022, 05:22 PM
Why cant each country build its own defense, and forts, and they just light the towers of gondor?
One might argue NATOs only role is to light the tower of gondor to call the aid of the USA.
You have to build the tower of gondor to call for aid - isn't that what NATO is?
Jibartik
04-18-2022, 05:25 PM
Nah it's just an email.
Jimjam
04-18-2022, 05:27 PM
Nah it's just an email.
lol, Spittin fax!
Patriam1066
04-18-2022, 06:55 PM
The Byzantine empire had a functioning alert system for Arab raids that the beacons of Gondor were based on. I’m sure they existed elsewhere prior. But anyway, I forget exactly where, maybe it was the Tarsus area, but the locals lit a beacon and within minutes Constantinople would he alerted, as would all the other outposts along the route
Pretty cool stuff
starkind
04-18-2022, 08:19 PM
Pretty sure Putin is a rogue CIA agent. R.i.p. Russia and Ukraine :(
U got punked :(
Reiwa
04-18-2022, 08:37 PM
Pretty sure Putin is a rogue CIA agent.
Well he was KGB so the chances are better than average. :p
starkind
04-18-2022, 09:35 PM
Well he was KGB so the chances are better than average. :p
https://i.imgur.com/Bk1jWr0.gif
Trexller
04-19-2022, 01:25 PM
Pretty sure Putin is a rogue CIA agent. R.i.p. Russia and Ukraine :(
U got punked :(
would make for a good movie but i'm 99% sure that in this case reality is alot more boring.
putin is just an old school soviet hardliner with an out of touch worldview, so enclosed behind his own walls of propoganda that he still believes NATO allies are plotting to overthrow the russian gov't and turn the country into disney world.
his oligargy gov't is so paranoid and sheltered that they don't understand that as long as cheap oil and gas is flowing, nobody gives a shit about russia.
or, maybe thats what pisses him off the most? that the best russia can hope for is being europe's gas station.
Patriam1066
04-19-2022, 05:31 PM
^good post
He’s definitely paranoid and delusional. I think he’s going to “win” though sadly. It seems as if it’s up to the Russian people to demand a stop to this, and that seems unlikely to happen…
Jibartik
04-19-2022, 05:37 PM
I recently watched the oliver stone putin interview, and you can see how important ukraine, and the other countries that became soverin when the soviet union fell ae to him.
The only passion in the first 15 minuets is when he is talking about ukraine and how much money and aid they send them. Hearing him say that alone made me think wow he really is trying to sell that ukraine is dependant to russia, which definitly would be the kind of messaging you'd want to spread if you were thinking of taking over with force one day.
He said 25 million Russians instantly were forced to live abroad when the soviet union was carved up, so I wouldn't put it past him to try to bring them all back under soviet control given the time to do it.
If what we're in right now is not world war 3 and some how we all keep on going on after the shooting stops (if it stops) then surely in the coming years after the real world war 3 will start when this new russian Z state decides to bring the other countries back under this new Zoviet umbrella.
The interview was 2017 so his personality there is quite relevant to his motives today IMO.
Horza
04-19-2022, 07:39 PM
Ukraine's military has received additional aircraft as well parts for repairs to get damaged aircraft flying again, the Pentagon said. (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-military-gets-more-aircraft-parts-repair-others-pentagon-says-2022-04-19/)
I guess they're not quite so worried about Putin's desperate threats of escalation any longer.
Jibartik
04-19-2022, 07:39 PM
Escalation is part of the entire plan.
Patriam1066
04-20-2022, 07:13 AM
I recently watched the oliver stone putin interview, and you can see how important ukraine, and the other countries that became soverin when the soviet union fell ae to him.
The only passion in the first 15 minuets is when he is talking about ukraine and how much money and aid they send them. Hearing him say that alone made me think wow he really is trying to sell that ukraine is dependant to russia, which definitly would be the kind of messaging you'd want to spread if you were thinking of taking over with force one day.
He said 25 million Russians instantly were forced to live abroad when the soviet union was carved up, so I wouldn't put it past him to try to bring them all back under soviet control given the time to do it.
If what we're in right now is not world war 3 and some how we all keep on going on after the shooting stops (if it stops) then surely in the coming years after the real world war 3 will start when this new russian Z state decides to bring the other countries back under this new Zoviet umbrella.
The interview was 2017 so his personality there is quite relevant to his motives today IMO.
Precisely why we have to make sure Russia faces a hard fight
He already has Belarus and part of Ukraine. Putin delenda est
Reiwa
04-20-2022, 10:22 AM
Ukraine's military has received additional aircraft as well parts for repairs to get damaged aircraft flying again, the Pentagon said. (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-military-gets-more-aircraft-parts-repair-others-pentagon-says-2022-04-19/)
I guess they're not quite so worried about Putin's desperate threats of escalation any longer.
Kirby said Washington had not provided any aircraft to Kyiv.
I don't get why they keep doing it this way. Seems like they are toetapping Russia's red line to be annoying but not technically escalating anything? :p
The Javelins they sent were American made(and paid for?) but technically owned by Europe countries. Something fucky going on with the legalese of belligerence.
Maybe that's why NATO good!
MrSparkle001
04-20-2022, 10:28 AM
Possibly very unpopular opinion:
Let Russia have the Donbas region.
They consider themselves Russian anyway and I don't think they'll ever become content with remaining in a country that wants to distance themselves from their beloved Russia, especially after this invasion where everything Russian will be spit on. Central and western Ukraine want to become European and Western and consider themselves as such, eastern Ukraine want to become Russian and consider themselves as such. It's how it's been for years.
It's an unusual situation there.
starkind
04-20-2022, 10:33 AM
Possibly very unpopular opinion:
Let Russia have the Donbas region.
They consider themselves Russian anyway and I don't think they'll ever become content with remaining in a country that wants to distance themselves from their beloved Russia, especially after this invasion where everything Russian will be spit on. Central and western Ukraine want to become European and Western and consider themselves as such, eastern Ukraine want to become Russian and consider themselves as such. It's how it's been for years.
It's an unusual situation there.
If they gave back Crimea and the sea of Azov south of Crimea & mariupal.. Sure. Let them have Donbass. And Luhansk even maybe.
They don't give a shit about donbass tho. It's a convenient staging area to get the sea of Azov and control trade in the EU.
The Chinese, Turks, and Saudi should be also nuking and biologicalling RU for being disruptive little greedy shitheads.
And to punish Zelenskyy the jew for being more popular than Putin. Is the other motivation from mostly Putin.
MrSparkle001
04-20-2022, 11:05 AM
If they gave back Crimea and the sea of Azov south of Crimea & mariupal.. Sure. Let them have Donbass. And Luhansk even maybe.
They don't give a shit about donbass tho. It's a convenient staging area to get the sea of Azov and control trade in the EU.
The Chinese, Turks, and Saudi should be also nuking and biologicalling RU for being disruptive little greedy shitheads.
And to punish Zelenskyy the jew for being more popular than Putin. Is the other motivation from mostly Putin.
And that's the real issue. They took Crimea and will be taking Donbas and probably Luhansk (I think it's inevitable). When they took Crimea barely an eye was batted. Now he wants a land connection to Crimea and the industrial Donbas region which is bad enough, but instead launched an assault against pretty much all of Ukraine, not just Donbas and Luhansk.
But the key difference now is the Donbas region welcomes Russia. They never wanted Ukraine's border drawn like it was as they consider themselves Russian.
Unless there is even more intervention by Europe and the U.S. I don't see this war ending with Donbas remaining in the Ukraine, and to be honest even if if it does they will become pariahs. Pro-Russian Ukrainians that consider themselves Russian in a post-war country that will despise Russia and everything Russian? Can't work. There will be even more separatist movements and violence than there was before.
Jibartik
04-20-2022, 11:10 AM
Precisely why we have to make sure Russia faces a hard fight
He already has Belarus and part of Ukraine. Putin delenda est
Here's what I think. If Russia is able to say they 'won' and to go back home, and have the safety of us not invading them back.
Then they are going to without a doubt, build a legitimate Nazi army with black trench coats and big Z flags and big parades, full gilead style like this (https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraina/comments/u7b8hl/wtf_is_wrong_with_this_country_new_zshit_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), and then will take the rest of the countries a few years after.
Reiwa
04-20-2022, 11:31 AM
Here's what I think. If Russia is able to say they 'won' and to go back home, and have the safety of us not invading them back.
Then they are going to without a doubt, build a legitimate Nazi army with black trench coats and big Z flags and big parades, full gilead style like this (https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraina/comments/u7b8hl/wtf_is_wrong_with_this_country_new_zshit_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), and then will take the rest of the countries a few years after.
It's wellerman again lol
https://i.imgur.com/2i1vcsT.gif
BlackBellamy
04-20-2022, 11:39 AM
Possibly very unpopular opinion:
Let Russia have the Donbas region.
They consider themselves Russian anyway and I don't think they'll ever become content with remaining in a country that wants to distance themselves from their beloved Russia, especially after this invasion where everything Russian will be spit on. Central and western Ukraine want to become European and Western and consider themselves as such, eastern Ukraine want to become Russian and consider themselves as such. It's how it's been for years.
It's an unusual situation there.
How about we ethnically cleanse the Russians from Ukraine? That seems like a much better solution. This way the Russians are in Russia where they belong.
Your solution involves a giant war with thousands of dead. My solution involves buses.
Trexller
04-20-2022, 12:47 PM
How about we ethnically cleanse the Russians from Ukraine? That seems like a much better solution. This way the Russians are in Russia where they belong.
Your solution involves a giant war with thousands of dead. My solution involves buses.
Given the rate that the mobile crematoriums are running, Russia is currently ethnically cleansing ukraine of Russians.
zelensky claims as much as 20k dead russians.
its so beautiful!
Jibartik
04-20-2022, 12:56 PM
If we flew every jet we had in a big circle around russia....
Pointed every gun we had at the sky in a big circle around russia...
then launched all our nukes at them...
would we be able to blow up all theirs before they even left their airspace?
Trexller
04-20-2022, 01:04 PM
If we flew every jet we had in a big circle around russia....
Pointed every gun we had at the sky in a big circle around russia...
then launched all our nukes at them...
would we be able to blow up all theirs before they even left their airspace?
Yes, but that's not what the 13 families want for the world.
Every single wargame scenario that plays US vs world has the US fighting the world to a stalemate.
US vs any 1 country, in open no-rules warfare is a fuckin joke for whichever 1 country to place.
the problem with modern US warfare, is that it has pink haired karens crying and pissing about "war crimes" which are a fucking joke.
the concept of a war crime is only something that pussy ass cowards care about.
if you take off the gloves and actually fight a war like a real man, then the US beats the world, every. single. time.
so, US vs russia in an open game, is no contest at all.
moscow would turn into McDonaldscow.
If you were to come up with ANY military threat, the US military is basically the app store and replies: "We Have an App for that"
Literally ANY military threat. the Pentagon has actual legit plans to fight against a vastly superior extraterrestrial invader. the Pentagon has actual legit plans for fighting a zombie apocalypse.
In any historical case of the U.S. failing militarily, its only because the pink haired gays cried and politicians starting watching their numbers drop. Vietnam, Afghanistan were failures ONLY because the US refused to commit the assets required to pound those shithole countries into submission.
MrSparkle001
04-20-2022, 01:11 PM
How about we ethnically cleanse the Russians from Ukraine? That seems like a much better solution. This way the Russians are in Russia where they belong.
Your solution involves a giant war with thousands of dead. My solution involves buses.
It's all about Putin's "solution" though isn't it? He wants that region and he wants to establish a land link to Crimea and knows the world isn't going to try to stop him. He can basically do what he wants to anyone outside NATO.
And let's not forget China sitting back and watching the world's reaction as they work on how to conquer Taiwan.
Jibartik
04-20-2022, 01:13 PM
I wonder if there is an alien species that has never killed. Like if its possible for life to exist without war.
MrSparkle001
04-20-2022, 01:16 PM
In any historical case of the U.S. failing militarily, its only because the pink haired gays cried and politicians starting watching their numbers drop. Vietnam, Afghanistan were failures ONLY because the US refused to commit the assets required to pound those shithole countries into submission.
Ok speaking of this, has everyone seen this U.S. Army recruitment commercial?
MIYGFSONKbk
They need to resort to this sort of nonsense to recruit because this generation of young people is soft and weak and whiny.
The U.S. will not remain dominant militarily for much longer. We have maybe a generation or two tops before a country like China which isn't fostering a culture of whiny soft kids overtakes us. Luckily I'll be dead by then.
MrSparkle001
04-20-2022, 01:19 PM
I wonder if there is an alien species that has never killed. Like if its possible for life to exist without war.
I'm sure it's possible but it wouldn't be life as we know it.
This planet is unmercifully violent. It's not just humans. Nature is violent and cruel and merciless. It's how the planet remains in perpetual balance, except now there's humans that can quickly tip the scales and ruin it all forever.
Any sentient alien species that does not know violence would never understand how it all works here.
Jibartik
04-20-2022, 01:27 PM
Ok speaking of this, has everyone seen this U.S. Army recruitment commercial?
MIYGFSONKbk
They need to resort to this sort of nonsense to recruit because this generation of young people is soft and weak and whiny.
The U.S. will not remain dominant militarily for much longer. We have maybe a generation or two tops before a country like China which isn't fostering a culture of whiny soft kids overtakes us. Luckily I'll be dead by then.
Dude with an army like this, you wont have to even reference the constitution when you talk about the security of the greater good.
We are so fucked. This is legit nazi shit.
Liberal uniformed military organic android unisex clones.
They're literally doing the phantom menace shit here.
Cartoon baby killer: "I like to think I've been defending freedom from an early age"
This is what they mean by grooming.
https://i.imgur.com/kh9ZuVd.png
https://i.imgur.com/Eh69Hc5.png
Trexller
04-20-2022, 01:27 PM
Ok speaking of this, has everyone seen this U.S. Army recruitment commercial?
MIYGFSONKbk
They need to resort to this sort of nonsense to recruit because this generation of young people is soft and weak and whiny.
The U.S. will not remain dominant militarily for much longer. We have maybe a generation or two tops before a country like China which isn't fostering a culture of whiny soft kids overtakes us. Luckily I'll be dead by then.
I have seen this, yes, and while it's some bullshit that the military is hiring cowards, it also speaks to the regimes of modern digital warfare.
IT educated people are generally cowards that prefer to sit behind a keyboard, Incidentally, in 2022, we have weapons that require those people.
Yes, Military recruitment numbers are dropping, but those good ol' boys who are horny for trigger pulling are always going to enlist, there will never be a shortage of natural born killers who sign up to go fight.
Modern warfare doctrine has absolutely ZERO "line charge" open field assaults, we don't need millions of enlisted men to go running at the redcoats anymore. The current pentagon PR team might be a bunch of pink haired butt pirates, but beyond that the military doesn't have the luxury of employing a woke doctrine like amazon or google. Commissioned officers are politicians like any other politician and anything that compromises readiness or lethality, is going to hinder their chances for a promotion.
What we really have a shortage of in the US military are in the tech regime, people who wanna serve but don't have the balls to hold a rifle.
That's cool. no problem there, we have a pussy-ass job for that too.
Horza
04-20-2022, 01:46 PM
Dude with an army like this, you wont have to even reference the constitution when you talk about the security of the greater good.
We are so fucked. This is legit nazi shit.
Liberal uniformed military organic android unisex clones.
They're literally doing the phantom menace shit here.
Cartoon baby killer: "I like to think I've been defending freedom from an early age"
This is what they mean by grooming.
https://i.imgur.com/kh9ZuVd.png
https://i.imgur.com/Eh69Hc5.png
White nationalist Nick Fuentes says the military is "creating this mercenary army of N-words and homosexuals" who are being trained "to obediently murder whites when the time comes." (https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1516446946298318854)
Skarne
04-20-2022, 01:47 PM
I have seen this, yes, and while it's some bullshit that the military is hiring cowards, it also speaks to the regimes of modern digital warfare.
IT educated people are generally cowards that prefer to sit behind a keyboard, Incidentally, in 2022, we have weapons that require those people.
Yes, Military recruitment numbers are dropping, but those good ol' boys who are horny for trigger pulling are always going to enlist, there will never be a shortage of natural born killers who sign up to go fight.
Modern warfare doctrine has absolutely ZERO "line charge" open field assaults, we don't need millions of enlisted men to go running at the redcoats anymore. The current pentagon PR team might be a bunch of pink haired butt pirates, but beyond that the military doesn't have the luxury of employing a woke doctrine like amazon or google. Commissioned officers are politicians like any other politician and anything that compromises readiness or lethality, is going to hinder their chances for a promotion.
What we really have a shortage of in the US military are in the tech regime, people who wanna serve but don't have the balls to hold a rifle.
That's cool. no problem there, we have a pussy-ass job for that too.
I agree with your general point. However, US Army recruitment is also lacking trigger pulls as well. From what I gather, less and less young men are wanting to enlist for jobs like infantry. Forget about Special Forces recruitment. That's at an all time low. While I do appreciate and agree with diversity and equality amongst humans, I can't help but cringe at that commercial.
What a sad and sorry time where the US Army feels like they have to pander to softies. Even when I was in I could see things were changing rapidly. I left in 2014 and by now, there's recruitment ads like the one above, and basic training has included the use of "stress cards". These cards are for young privates who get too stressed out and hold up the card to their drill sergeant so that they know to back off... some weak shit right?
MrSparkle001
04-20-2022, 02:58 PM
basic training has included the use of "stress cards". These cards are for young privates who get too stressed out and hold up the card to their drill sergeant so that they know to back off... some weak shit right?
Wait what?
WHAT?
???
https://i.imgur.com/RJ3Ka9n.gif
Jibartik
04-20-2022, 03:05 PM
When a soldier raises a stress card, they cannot handle the number of baby guts they have spilled, so it's time to replace them with a new, happier drone operator.
This way we will maintain happiness, while also annihilating life to empower a small few exceptionally wealthy sycophant's.
MrSparkle001
04-20-2022, 03:08 PM
When a soldier raises a stress card, they cannot handle the number of baby guts they have spilled, so it's time to replace them with a new, happier drone operator.
This way we will maintain happiness, while also annihilating life to empower a small few exceptionally wealthy sycophant's.
Hmm so they're taking note of who's using these cards so they know who's weak and might need replacing if the shit hits the fan and they're called into action.
Jibartik
04-20-2022, 03:09 PM
Hmm so they're taking note of who's using these cards so they know who's weak and might need replacing if the shit hits the fan and they're called into action.
no not when shit hits the fan, just when they are drone executing christians during the latter half of the tribulation in a few years.
Trexller
04-20-2022, 03:15 PM
Hmm so they're taking note of who's using these cards so they know who's weak and might need replacing if the shit hits the fan and they're called into action.
yes this exactly. if you put up your stress card, you're gonna get asked if you wanna transfer to the chair force or some other coward job.
frankly this is a better system than screaming in recruits' faces until they themselves request transfer.
this is military selection done by software. its gonna make sure that the right people are trigger pullers and that the right people are state side supply officers
Gustoo
04-20-2022, 03:18 PM
I wanna be a cook like george costanzas dad
BlackBellamy
04-20-2022, 03:21 PM
White nationalist Nick Fuentes says the military is "creating this mercenary army of N-words and homosexuals" who are being trained "to obediently murder whites when the time comes." (https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1516446946298318854)
You follow white nationalist guys? Is Nick Fuentes a white nationalist? Not sure what those are, like they want a white nation? Just white? Are they out of their fucking minds? Who is going to cut the lawn for eight bucks an hour?
Ok I just looked up White People, I'm just so glad there is a Wiki entry called precisely that, "White People"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people
According to this if you're a white nationalist you should head to Ireland. This way most of your work is done for you.
Then again Uruguay looks super appealing. It says 87% which I find hard to believe barring the existence of some creative re-definitions or maybe an army of Hitler clones.
Trexller
04-20-2022, 03:27 PM
You follow white nationalist guys? Is Nick Fuentes a white nationalist? Not sure what those are, like they want a white nation? Just white? Are they out of their fucking minds? Who is going to cut the lawn for eight bucks an hour?
white people own all the guns
fights over.
after ww2 admiral Yamamoto or whoever said that the japs never had a shred of a thought about invading mainland usa because quote "behind every blade of grass is an American with a rifle"
he was 100% mother fucking correct.
BlackBellamy
04-20-2022, 03:30 PM
The NRA should bring back that old racist WW2 poster with the extra-yellow skin and thick glasses and the buck teeth and be like Yesterday Japan, tomorrow China!
We can also totally re-use the old How to tell them apart! pamphlets.
Jibartik
04-20-2022, 03:33 PM
The NRA should bring back that old racist WW2 poster with the extra-yellow skin and thick glasses and the buck teeth and be like Yesterday Japan, tomorrow China!
We can also totally re-use the old How to tell them apart! pamphlets.
It would be really funny if we had like super racist meme propaganda of russians.
Jimjam
04-20-2022, 03:45 PM
yes this exactly. if you put up your stress card, you're gonna get asked if you wanna transfer to the chair force or some other coward job.
frankly this is a better system than screaming in recruits' faces until they themselves request transfer.
this is military selection done by software. its gonna make sure that the right people are trigger pullers and that the right people are state side supply officers
Probably used to monitor drill sergeants too - I get that they need to make boot camp tough, cos obviously life as a soldier can be tough and you gotsta be prepared for that... but conversely, the DS's higher ups probably want to keep tabs on who is successfully toughening people up versus who is going too hard and destroying recruits instead of building them up.
Trexller
04-20-2022, 03:51 PM
Probably used to monitor drill sergeants too - I get that they need to make boot camp tough, cos obviously life as a soldier can be tough and you gotsta be prepared for that... but conversely, the DS's higher ups probably want to keep tabs on who is successfully toughening people up versus who is going too hard and destroying recruits instead of building them up.
yeah its a tough ass job being a DI. you gotta walk this invisible line between teacher and tormentor.
my hats off to any DI who consistently fields solid recruits
Reiwa
04-20-2022, 04:00 PM
It would be really funny if we had like super racist meme propaganda of russians.
https://i.imgur.com/RNRgJBi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/475dCxR.png
https://i.imgur.com/9xZvmEx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iIsQIlV.jpg
more (https://hyperallergic.com/476788/vintage-soviet-santa-postcards-were-propaganda-for-the-space-race/)
Jibartik
04-20-2022, 04:02 PM
https://i.imgur.com/zSD1ku7.png
MrSparkle001
04-20-2022, 04:27 PM
yes this exactly. if you put up your stress card, you're gonna get asked if you wanna transfer to the chair force or some other coward job.
frankly this is a better system than screaming in recruits' faces until they themselves request transfer.
this is military selection done by software. its gonna make sure that the right people are trigger pullers and that the right people are state side supply officers
So given the quality of recruits and the modern recruitment pool in general this is a great way for them to find out who's cut out for the job while making it seem like they care about their fragile feelings.
Horza
04-21-2022, 04:01 PM
Tulsi Gabbard says she sent cease and desist letters to Mitt Romney and Keith Olbermann demanding they retract statements “that accuse her of being a Russian asset.” (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1516936964032790528)
Jibartik
04-21-2022, 04:15 PM
She should sue them and win for libel.
Jibartik
04-21-2022, 04:39 PM
https://i.imgur.com/6Q5F0It.png
Not 150.000, not 145.000, but 144.000! Why? It's:
a) a coincidence.
b) some random number.
c) something that should alarm your world.
???
She should sue them and win for libel.
In order for it to be libel you must be able to prove it is false.
Libel cases are only ever won for things like "Alex Jones was tried and convicted for raping a little boy in 1993". Easy to prove it is false.
Libel case would have no chance for something like "Alex Jones loves to rape little boys". No way to prove it is false.
Additionally, courts will often also require an additional standard in that the statements must be made with malice.
Jibartik
04-21-2022, 04:43 PM
I dont really care about her anyway Id rather talk bout old catholic joe sending 144,000 to fight the bad guy.
https://i.imgur.com/6Q5F0It.png
Not 150.000, not 145.000, but 144.000! Why? It's:
a) a coincidence.
b) some random number.
c) something that should alarm your world.
???
Jibartik
04-21-2022, 04:49 PM
Revelation says that 144.000 from the children of Israel (not meaning Jews) will be "snatched" out of this earth before the world lives it's final 3.5 years with the Antichrist reigning over it.
We don't know if 144.000 is the final number, we just know it says "from the tribes of the children of Israel" but it is referring to the "new Israel", the bride of Christ that will be snatched away for a marriage feast with the lamb that will last for 3.5 years.
Want me to type more on what that "snatching" is?
(I don't wanna type out TMI if noone cares to read it)
remember the Matrix where the machines had one machine per person of Zion attacking and someone (i think Morpheus) said: "One machine per person, sounds like machine thinking to me"
That's what this was... a hidden message and a blow of mocking inside a spiritual battlefield. (Ephesians 6:12+ describes the war and the needed armour to survive it)
I like whoever wrote this shit.
Horza
04-21-2022, 04:53 PM
Keep quoting yourself, double posting and ranting about magical numbers, Jib. Trump losing badly broke you lol
Jibartik
04-21-2022, 04:54 PM
Just once go out into the world and try to find some happiness.
Patriam1066
04-21-2022, 05:48 PM
144,000 is a weird number of rounds to send, I’ll give you that. Or to bring it up as if it were worth mentioning by the president’s press person
Jibartik
04-21-2022, 08:38 PM
It's because the world is full of coincidences or satan has a sense of humor.
Humor is a gateway sin. So it'd make sense if he did.
https://i.imgur.com/00Yb0AA.png
Kaveh
04-21-2022, 10:47 PM
I’d send 144,000 medium range ballistic missiles capable of leveling places like Volgograd and Minsk. Ukraine should be able to hit civilians like Russia is doing. Fair is fair after all
And yes, I know Minsk is Belarus. I wouldn’t actually hit them, but I’m not a 6’6” Viking like emperor Vitali
Trexller
04-21-2022, 10:59 PM
I’d send 144,000 medium range ballistic missiles capable of leveling places like Volgograd and Minsk. Ukraine should be able to hit civilians like Russia is doing. Fair is fair after all
And yes, I know Minsk is Belarus. I wouldn’t actually hit them, but I’m not a 6’6” Viking like emperor Vitali
fuck belarus, they are still in 2022 a literal fascist soviet state
nuke the fuck out of them and carpet bomb russia with thermonukes, then let the prevailing winds carry the radioactive fallout to the rest of asia and the middle east, and then sell them the new cancer vaccine being produced based on the covid mrna vax.
millions of dead people and $$$ for big pharma
there is no scenario here in which this is bad for the world.
Kaveh
04-22-2022, 12:10 AM
My friend who is retired naval intelligence told me Ukraine is getting curbstomped. We were drinking and talking about going to fight over there since we already have kids and grandkids, but he assured me that we would just get hit by artillery and that everything in Ukraine east of the Dnieper and all of the Black Sea coast will fall
Oh well, brave fight they’re putting up
Trexller
04-22-2022, 12:23 AM
My friend who is retired naval intelligence told me Ukraine is getting curbstomped. We were drinking and talking about going to fight over there since we already have kids and grandkids, but he assured me that we would just get hit by artillery and that everything in Ukraine east of the Dnieper and all of the Black Sea coast will fall
Oh well, brave fight they’re putting up
yes that was the deal they worked out behind closed doors a couple weeks ago.
russia will leave kyiv and western regions, and they will annex the eastern donbas areas.
black sea real estate is where all the hot shit is at anyway, the energy, the infrastructure to process it, the other manufacturing/raw materials processing facilities, all of that shit is in the east along the black sea.
but in the mean time they'll put on a good show of war theater for the world, so that we don't write off ukrainians as cowards, and then Putin can go back to his oligarchs and be like, "see i told you this would work"
in the end, it looks like everyone wins, Putin gets his pat on the back, 2/3 of ukraine gets to remain a sovereign-ish nation
all the while thousands of innocent people die while the biggest atrocity of all goes unpunished: Me paying 150% more on gas than 2 years ago.
Horza
04-22-2022, 12:29 AM
yes that was the deal they worked out behind closed doors a couple weeks ago.
russia will leave kyiv and western regions, and they will annex the eastern donbas areas.
black sea real estate is where all the hot shit is at anyway, the energy, the infrastructure to process it, the other manufacturing/raw materials processing facilities, all of that shit is in the east along the black sea.
but in the mean time they'll put on a good show of war theater for the world, so that we don't write off ukrainians as cowards, and then Putin can go back to his oligarchs and be like, "see i told you this would work"
in the end, it looks like everyone wins, Putin gets his pat on the back, 2/3 of ukraine gets to remain a sovereign-ish nation
all the while thousands of innocent people die while the biggest atrocity of all goes unpunished: Me paying 150% more on gas than 2 years ago.
I certainly trust one of your hot tips fresh from /pol/ :p
yes that was the deal they worked out behind closed doors a couple weeks ago.
russia will leave kyiv and western regions, and they will annex the eastern donbas areas.
black sea real estate is where all the hot shit is at anyway, the energy, the infrastructure to process it, the other manufacturing/raw materials processing facilities, all of that shit is in the east along the black sea.
but in the mean time they'll put on a good show of war theater for the world, so that we don't write off ukrainians as cowards, and then Putin can go back to his oligarchs and be like, "see i told you this would work"
in the end, it looks like everyone wins, Putin gets his pat on the back, 2/3 of ukraine gets to remain a sovereign-ish nation
all the while thousands of innocent people die while the biggest atrocity of all goes unpunished: Me paying 150% more on gas than 2 years ago.
This is just so stupid there are no words
Trexller
04-22-2022, 01:06 AM
I certainly trust one of your hot tips fresh from /pol/ :p
This is just so stupid there are no words
other than my quip about gas prices, which in the grand scheme of things really is no big deal at all, what I outlined is exactly how the world works, behind closed doors.
to see such things requires an intuitive mind, one that refuses to believe the thin veil that the world constructs for itself.
Yeah, its dirty and its nasty and usually just fuckin' sucks, but this is how the powers that be play their infinite chess game, where entire nations are merely pawns.
If you are incapable of grasping this concept, then please return to your couch, your netflix, and your cafe latte and leave pondering the matters of geo-politics to smarter men.
Kaveh
04-22-2022, 01:10 AM
I definitely think our response was designed more to show that we respond, rather than to actually fight for Ukraine. I also think we all believed Ukraine would fall in a week. The fact that they didn’t made it seem like maybe, just maybe, they’d eke out a victory
Doesn’t look like it though. Sad
Trexller
04-22-2022, 01:16 AM
I definitely think our response was designed more to show that we respond, rather than to actually fight for Ukraine. I also think we all believed Ukraine would fall in a week. The fact that they didn’t made it seem like maybe, just maybe, they’d eke out a victory
Doesn’t look like it though. Sad
yeah its a numbers game. one big army vs. a small army, even tho the big army sucks at life, it still has the numbers to keep going until they exhaust all resources of the smaller army, its a strategy called attrition, usually tho a smaller force employs attrition strategies against the larger ones, but seeing as how that the russian army is fuckin' incompetent, they are just grinding ukrainian forces down bit by bit until there will not be enough forces left to fight for the donbas regions, at which time they simply annex and declare victory.
honestly i still can't wrap my head around how ridiculously horrible the russian army is performing, its almost as though its a feint for some upcoming real fight, where hordes of high skill russian soldiers wash across the face of the earth with cutting edge tech that the USA hasn't even imagined yet.
that scenario is the only one that makes sense if we are to still believe the decades of, "Russia is the #2 military threat"
shit. if that's the #2 threat, then the #3 threat must just be guys with slingshots and mean words.
Jimjam
04-22-2022, 02:32 AM
144,000 is a weird number of rounds to send, I’ll give you that. Or to bring it up as if it were worth mentioning by the president’s press person
The number feels biblical cos it is 12 square thousand. Its probably packed in numbers based around 3s and 4s ...
Swish
04-22-2022, 03:42 AM
If Ukraine was sitting on a lot more oil you'd see Uncle Joe landing 100k+ troops within a week.
Skarne
04-22-2022, 07:26 AM
very cynical view of the world
Jibartik
04-22-2022, 10:18 AM
very cynical view of the world
Have you read its history?
MrSparkle001
04-22-2022, 10:26 AM
This is just so stupid there are no words
What's stupid is the world is willing to let him just take it, like he took Crimea.
1938 Sudetenland anyone?
I say let him have Donbas as that's going to be a hot bed of insurgencies and bad blood for generations after this invasion if they don't. They don't want to be a part of Ukraine anymore and after this the rest of Ukraine is going to hate anything and everything to do with Russia, which is basically what the Donbas region is.
But to let him conquer southern Ukraine because nobody wants to start a war? Yeah, 1938 is calling.
Reiwa
04-22-2022, 10:35 AM
Russia declares thing they declared 3 months ago, for the first time. (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/22/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html)
starkind
04-22-2022, 10:39 AM
yeah its a numbers game. one big army vs. a small army, even tho the big army sucks at life, it still has the numbers to keep going until they exhaust all resources of the smaller army, its a strategy called attrition, usually tho a smaller force employs attrition strategies against the larger ones, but seeing as how that the russian army is fuckin' incompetent, they are just grinding ukrainian forces down bit by bit until there will not be enough forces left to fight for the donbas regions, at which time they simply annex and declare victory.
honestly i still can't wrap my head around how ridiculously horrible the russian army is performing, its almost as though its a feint for some upcoming real fight, where hordes of high skill russian soldiers wash across the face of the earth with cutting edge tech that the USA hasn't even imagined yet.
that scenario is the only one that makes sense if we are to still believe the decades of, "Russia is the #2 military threat"
shit. if that's the #2 threat, then the #3 threat must just be guys with slingshots and mean words.
I'm not saying Ukraine can win... think about it like this tho...
It costs less to keep 12 ppl fed than 120,000
12 people can hide better than 120,000
Ukraine has got to have a lot of their really good MREs and ammo stashed well everywhere secret symbols.
Russia is going to have a hard time doing anything with Ukraine for the next 40 years at a minimum. It's like biting into a poison apple.
Well, to use an old truism. In war everyone loses.
Russia isn't able to make children fast enough to replace lost manpower and everyone educated or upper class is leaving or left.
Ukraine could have superceded Russian authority in the region if they hadn't been attacked. Even if they hold some territory they are no longer an existential threat. I bet a lot of the smart healthy ppl in Russia where trying to emigrate to Europe through Ukraine. And now it's turkey that has absorbed many of those kids.
Well see.
Ukraine may eventually be obliterated. I feel like Russia is a dead man walking already tho. And surely will be if they try to go further west. Without NATOs help.
Reiwa
04-22-2022, 10:49 AM
I would surmise the Azovs have been annihilated at Mariupol since they're moving on.
Kaveh
04-22-2022, 11:44 AM
What's stupid is the world is willing to let him just take it, like he took Crimea.
1938 Sudetenland anyone?
I say let him have Donbas as that's going to be a hot bed of insurgencies and bad blood for generations after this invasion if they don't. They don't want to be a part of Ukraine anymore and after this the rest of Ukraine is going to hate anything and everything to do with Russia, which is basically what the Donbas region is.
But to let him conquer southern Ukraine because nobody wants to start a war? Yeah, 1938 is calling.
I can’t believe it either
starkind
04-24-2022, 09:22 AM
An interdasting article about big titty super dick demon econonics. Or demonics (https://www.ft.com/content/1ed194ff-0306-4ef9-83d9-8c5ea08cc677). If you will.
Kaveh
04-24-2022, 09:10 PM
Slava Ukraini
Trexller
04-25-2022, 09:54 AM
Slava Ukraini
Jibartik
04-27-2022, 01:23 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/04/26/fuel-and-ammo-depots-keep-blowing-up-in-russia-ukraines-ballistic-missiles-might-be-why/?sh=1116b87746c5
this is pissing me off, what in the f
how can nobody know who is blowing up these oil refineries??! if its rockets, then explain to me batman, how do you shoot balistic missles across a god damn russian border without anyone noticing?! or knowing? or seeing it???!
what in the actual f
can we just send all our missiles at them already and end this? obviously they wont retaliate, because they cant even see gypsie missiles flying over the boarder.
what in the f is up with this world is everything an illusion or what
starkind
04-27-2022, 08:34 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/04/26/fuel-and-ammo-depots-keep-blowing-up-in-russia-ukraines-ballistic-missiles-might-be-why/?sh=1116b87746c5
this is pissing me off, what in the f
how can nobody know who is blowing up these oil refineries??! if its rockets, then explain to me batman, how do you shoot balistic missles across a god damn russian border without anyone noticing?! or knowing? or seeing it???!
what in the actual f
can we just send all our missiles at them already and end this? obviously they wont retaliate, because they cant even see gypsie missiles flying over the boarder.
what in the f is up with this world is everything an illusion or what
https://i.imgur.com/I0gA4ij.gif
https://i.imgur.com/eRpMaKm.gif
https://i.imgur.com/kRdDq6M.gif
MrSparkle001
04-27-2022, 08:58 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/04/26/fuel-and-ammo-depots-keep-blowing-up-in-russia-ukraines-ballistic-missiles-might-be-why/?sh=1116b87746c5
this is pissing me off, what in the f
how can nobody know who is blowing up these oil refineries??! if its rockets, then explain to me batman, how do you shoot balistic missles across a god damn russian border without anyone noticing?! or knowing? or seeing it???!
what in the actual f
can we just send all our missiles at them already and end this? obviously they wont retaliate, because they cant even see gypsie missiles flying over the boarder.
what in the f is up with this world is everything an illusion or what
Possible missiles, possible saboteurs. But it's odd we aren't hearing much about it or reports of missiles or anything.
BlackBellamy
04-27-2022, 09:27 AM
The Russians won't admit their security sucks so bad their shit is blowing up right under their noses.
The Ukrainians won't tell you how they did it because they're going to keep doing it.
Jibartik
04-27-2022, 10:56 AM
The Ukrainians won't tell you how they did it because they're going to keep doing it.
Spoiler: It's the plot to Iron Eagle II.
Jimjam
04-27-2022, 11:40 AM
Possible missiles, possible saboteurs. But it's odd we aren't hearing much about it or reports of missiles or anything.
No one was running fraps.
Jibartik
04-27-2022, 12:13 PM
More proof life is a simulation. Thanks Elon.
Thank you to Whomever shared the very good Reddit page Ukraina with all the videos.
Kaveh
04-27-2022, 06:08 PM
Possible missiles, possible saboteurs. But it's odd we aren't hearing much about it or reports of missiles or anything.
It’s odd that Russia doesn’t report that they are orcs using Reagan era tech? I’m with Bellamy on this one. The Ukrainians are at least fighting back, though it seems like they will be defeated
Jibartik
04-27-2022, 07:13 PM
Putin & Zelenski both supposed to go to the G20.
This is all a opera.
MrSparkle001
04-27-2022, 07:40 PM
It’s odd that Russia doesn’t report that they are orcs using Reagan era tech? I’m with Bellamy on this one. The Ukrainians are at least fighting back, though it seems like they will be defeated
Odd that nobody is reporting that Russia is being attacked by missiles, or saboteurs. It's just not part of the narrative.
starkind
04-27-2022, 08:06 PM
Putin doesn't look so well he got really sick fast.
MrSparkle001
04-27-2022, 09:50 PM
Putin doesn't look so well he got really sick fast.
Poisoned
Reiwa
04-28-2022, 09:38 AM
I'm not sure on the rules, is supplying lethal aid a valid reason for belligerence?
Let's not ask the people who want firearm manufacturers to be held responsible for crimes they didn't do. 🤫
MrSparkle001
04-28-2022, 09:50 AM
I'm not sure on the rules, is supplying lethal aid a valid reason for belligerence?
Let's not ask the people who want firearm manufacturers to be held responsible for crimes they didn't do.
False equivalence but that doesn't stop them from trying to argue it. You could maybe successfully argue that equivalence if it was firearms manufacturers directly supplying gangs or something, the way nations are directly supplying Ukraine with arms to combat Russia.
Reiwa
04-28-2022, 09:59 AM
False equivalence but that doesn't stop them from trying to argue it. You could maybe successfully argue that equivalence if it was firearms manufacturers directly supplying gangs or something, the way nations are directly supplying Ukraine with arms to combat Russia.
It was worth a try. 😳
starkind
04-28-2022, 10:08 AM
Would it make a difference if Russian citizens where buying our guns and using them to kill their politicians?
I think there is a big distinction and Russia is already in deeper water with its own citizenry than it is with America and they are quite frankly never going to admit it.
The only way nuclear war is averted at this stage is if Russians don't follow orders.
MrSparkle001
04-28-2022, 10:08 AM
It was worth a try. 😳
Oh believe me people have been trying it for years, trying to hold firearms manufacturers responsible for crimes committed with guns.
Kaveh
04-28-2022, 01:24 PM
Would it make a difference if Russian citizens where buying our guns and using them to kill their politicians?
I think there is a big distinction and Russia is already in deeper water with its own citizenry than it is with America and they are quite frankly never going to admit it.
The only way nuclear war is averted at this stage is if Russians don't follow orders.
Nuclear war guarantees the leaders in Russia die or go broke. They have zero path to victory
It won’t come to that. Putin will take as much of Ukraine as he wants and possibly transnistria. We will never end our sanctions, nor will Canada or Japan. The EU will break eventually because of places like Hungary, but Germany and France will forever turn away from Russian hydrocarbons. Finland and Sweden join NATO, Putin and his ilk pretend the West hates Russia and justify a further movement towards a totalitarian near soviet dictatorship and more state controlled economy…
Or I could be completely wrong. The wild card is if Putin truly is in a state of poor mental health / dementia
Either way, we should all clearly see why democracy is valuable and that liberals are not as bad as communists / authoritarians
MrSparkle001
04-28-2022, 01:57 PM
Nuclear war guarantees the leaders in Russia die or go broke. They have zero path to victory
It won’t come to that. Putin will take as much of Ukraine as he wants and possibly transnistria. We will never end our sanctions, nor will Canada or Japan. The EU will break eventually because of places like Hungary, but Germany and France will forever turn away from Russian hydrocarbons. Finland and Sweden join NATO, Putin and his ilk pretend the West hates Russia and justify a further movement towards a totalitarian near soviet dictatorship and more state controlled economy…
Or I could be completely wrong. The wild card is if Putin truly is in a state of poor mental health / dementia
Either way, we should all clearly see why democracy is valuable and that liberals are not as bad as communists / authoritarians
Putin is slowly being assassinated. His inner circle knows he basically destroyed their country and their future, when it could have gone so differently and better for them if he wasn't at the helm. He may also be insane enough to consider a nuclear option and cement his place in history. Who knows.
Jibartik
04-28-2022, 02:23 PM
Putin is slowly being assassinated.
https://twitter.com/UKRWarSitRep/status/1519542788639105025
Still wondering if this is all some RU resistance fighters, or what.
https://i.imgur.com/Vo5m3Wu.png
MrSparkle001
04-28-2022, 02:38 PM
Don't dismiss a false flag operation either, like how they uncovered that nazi shirt and three copies of The Sims.
Jibartik
04-28-2022, 02:46 PM
Don't dismiss a false flag operation either, like how they uncovered that nazi shirt and three copies of The Sims.
yeah, but these fires seem a bit epic for a false flag, no?
https://www.newsweek.com/explosion-oil-fires-erupt-russia-midpoint-between-moscow-kyiv-1700441
Also the burning cars, does sound like something a bunch of anarchists would do
I heard another theory that ukraine just avoiding saying it's them to keep russia from retaliating...
Like even if it was a false flag, i feel like they'd try to leave more evidence of who it was? I have no idea, just waiting to find out like the rest of us, I think it coudl be any of these things, but Im leaning towards Ukraine subtorus, or a RU resistance brewing? idk..
Maybe all of the above? I could see that picture being a false flag for sure, but the fires? Those are big time hits, are they not?
MrSparkle001
04-28-2022, 02:51 PM
Epic can make it that much more convincing and anger the forced-ignorant population that much more.
I don't put anything past these ex-KGB Soviets.
But who knows what's going on? Could also be simple unrest brewing and coming to head.
MrSparkle001
04-28-2022, 02:51 PM
Epic can make it that much more convincing and anger the forced-ignorant population that much more.
I don't put anything past these ex-KGB Soviets.
But who knows what's going on? Could also be simple unrest brewing and coming to a head.
Jibartik
04-28-2022, 11:47 PM
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Jibartik
04-29-2022, 11:17 AM
The only person who cares about ukraine anymore, arnt the ones that called me a putin simp for saying biden fucked up diplomacy and got this war started.
https://i.imgur.com/WiMvSSA.png
none of you care about ukraine. slava my ass.
Jibartik
04-29-2022, 11:20 AM
Putin Accepts Invitation to Attend G20 Summit, Setting Up Biden Showdown (https://www.newsweek.com/putin-accepts-invitation-attend-g20-summit-indonesia-biden-showdown-1702103)
If this happens Im going to lose my mind.
Jimjam
04-29-2022, 11:24 AM
Putin Accepts Invitation to Attend G20 Summit, Setting Up Biden Showdown (https://www.newsweek.com/putin-accepts-invitation-attend-g20-summit-indonesia-biden-showdown-1702103)
If this happens Im going to lose my mind.
I hope WWE hosts. Can’t wait to see how things go for the Spanish announcers’ table!
MrSparkle001
04-29-2022, 11:37 AM
Putin Accepts Invitation to Attend G20 Summit, Setting Up Biden Showdown (https://www.newsweek.com/putin-accepts-invitation-attend-g20-summit-indonesia-biden-showdown-1702103)
If this happens Im going to lose my mind.
Well he will be declaring victory soon so by the end of the year there will be no more invasion.
Jibartik
04-29-2022, 11:39 AM
Well he will be declaring victory soon so by the end of the year there will be no more invasion.
The fact that macron didn't just kill Putin is another example.
Imagine after all these horrendous war crimes you were like, "well Putin deserves to have a full life and be in the same room without us killing him"
MrSparkle001
04-29-2022, 11:43 AM
The fact that macron didn't just kill Putin is another example.
Imagine after all these horrendous war crimes you were like, "well Putin deserves to have a full life and be in the same room without us killing him"
But the nukes. We have to let him do what he wants because the nukes. He said so.
Jibartik
04-29-2022, 11:50 AM
Soon it became apparent that Zelensky was a target and presidential offices were not the safest place to be. The President said he was informed that a Russian strike teams had parachuted into Kyiv to kill or capture him and his family.
damn thats nuts. I wonder if each of the strike team fell into manholes and all drowned.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-war-ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelensky-says-russian-troops-came-close-to-capturing-him-and-his-family-2932176#pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll
Jimjam
04-29-2022, 12:32 PM
damn thats nuts. I wonder if each of the strike team fell into manholes and all drowned.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-war-ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelensky-says-russian-troops-came-close-to-capturing-him-and-his-family-2932176#pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll
Trigger warning: raw live war footage
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Jibartik
04-29-2022, 12:43 PM
https://i.imgur.com/7k5WlZf.png
https://i.imgur.com/oXB97Km.png
I think it's becoming clear that your average Russian soldier is perfectly okay with beating up on, raping, looting, and otherwise brutalizing an inferior opponent, but they are not willing to die fighting a peer or near-peer, or making the kinds of high-casualty battle maneuvers / intense fighting that Ukraine requires. Ukrainian soldiers, on the other hand, have demonstrated a willingness to fight quite hard and risk a lot for their country.
I'm willing to bet among American soldiers you'd probably see a similar drop in morale fighting equal or near equal opponents, but you probably wouldn't see them refusing to fight quite as much.
Jibartik
04-29-2022, 08:59 PM
One thing I think is funny, is how advanced the world thought they were militarily. Like, after the cold war reveals they were a mess, we were like, well this time they are probubly as powerful as they say they are.
I totally got sucked into this TV show about how they would be like super soldiers if russia tried to ww3 and it wasnt the only that depicted them like all sci fi high tech either haha
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After weeks of poring over evidence, Ukrainian officials single out 10 Russian soldiers for atrocities in Bucha.
KYIV, Ukraine — It wasn’t an easy case to crack. Ukrainian investigators had to stitch together radio intercepts, satellite images, security camera footage, witness statements and even social media posts.
You know it's bad when your opponent can conduct a war-crimes investigation on your own soldiers using radio intercepts and other electronic and signals intelligence lol
I think 20 or 30 years from now, if humans are still around, we're going to find out that the US had some epic, ENIGMA-level shit in Russia during this war. Like a high degree of infiltration of their military, or the ability to read all their communications.
This isn't the Soviet Union, you have Russian soldiers selling their gas in Belarus and stealing toilets, how hard do you think they'd be to turn with sweet sweet American $$$
robayon
04-29-2022, 09:42 PM
hi i saw this and i thought of this thread immediately. love you all
Kaveh
04-30-2022, 07:29 AM
The only person who cares about ukraine anymore, arnt the ones that called me a putin simp for saying biden fucked up diplomacy and got this war started.
https://i.imgur.com/WiMvSSA.png
none of you care about ukraine. slava my ass.
You’re still a Putin simp and hate America
BlackBellamy
04-30-2022, 09:19 AM
hi i saw this and i thought of this thread immediately. love you all
I mean it was obviously his invasion of Russia. He attacked first because he knew it was only a matter of time before the Russians came for him again. Hitler's mistake.
If both Napoleon and Hitler chose to defend against the Russians the fighting would have taken place in Poland. The Russians could have been bled on foreign soil, then surrounded and destroyed piecemeal and pushed back and then they would offer terms. This worked once albeit too late in WW1.
Once the German states and other principalities saw what happened in Russia they all rose and turned against him and he was finally defeated at Leipzig and chased back to France.
So yeah, let the Russians attack first because they are so terrible at it.
starkind
04-30-2022, 09:30 AM
Russia was on the brink of sliding into civil unrest.
War in Ukraine was a great time for political purges.
Russians. Why? Is this what America has to look forward to at home for the next 300 years?
Reiwa
04-30-2022, 12:18 PM
I might like to run macaframa in comparing the Ukraine death rate with the COVID death rate. 💀
Maybe later.
Jibartik
04-30-2022, 12:26 PM
You’re still a Putin simp and hate America
go vote for a democrat
Horza
04-30-2022, 01:55 PM
go vote for a democrat
You never told us what you'll do when Trump finally croaks.
Kaveh
04-30-2022, 05:44 PM
go vote for a democrat
Any day of the week over Vladimir Putin weirdo
Jibartik
04-30-2022, 07:52 PM
I have to debate about american politics with people that think you can vote for vladimir putin.
Jibartik
04-30-2022, 07:56 PM
You never told us what you'll do when Trump finally croaks.
Same thing I'm doing now.
Continue to post about him and watch you squirm.
Continue to watch you bring him up literally every single day.
Kaveh
04-30-2022, 08:05 PM
You say vote for a democrat like it’s an insult but support our foreign adversary in his campaign to kill people. I’m telling you that I will happily vote for a democrat over supporting America’s enemies
You see, democrats are not enemies
Hope this helps!
Jibartik
05-01-2022, 12:19 AM
You say vote for a democrat like it’s an insult
It's absolutely an insult.
robayon
05-01-2022, 10:07 AM
I have to debate about american politics with people that think you can vote for vladimir putin.that's how i feel about debating with people who think the 2020 election was stolen, but not the 2016 one, the 2024 one we'll see if it was stolen depending on the outcome
hee hee they just jump from one foot to the other
Trexller
05-01-2022, 10:47 AM
You never told us what you'll do when Trump finally croaks.
Trump is the type of spiteful bastard who would live forever just to deny the libtards the pleasure of reading his obituary.
Kaveh
05-01-2022, 10:52 AM
It's absolutely an insult.
Whatever Russia lover. Andrew Jackson was a democrat. He’d scalp you and turn your hide into an American flag
Kaveh
05-01-2022, 01:38 PM
“ A swath of southern Ukraine, including almost all of its Kherson region and the majority of its Zaporizhzhia region, have been under Russian military rule since early March.
Russian occupation authorities are swiftly integrating*these areas into Russia, appointing collaborationist administrations and introducing Russian documents, education programs and currency. On Saturday, Russian authorities disconnected most of the occupied areas in southern Ukraine from Ukrainian cellphone service and internet providers by cutting fiber-optic cables and turning off power at base stations so as to hide “truthful information about the course of the war,” the Ukrainian government said.
The biggest fear, especially among men, in areas under Russian control is that they will soon be forcibly drafted to fight other Ukrainians. That happened earlier this year to men up to the age of 65 in the parts of eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk and Luhansk regions that Moscow has controlled since 2014.
“If they conscript you, and your family is left behind as hostages, what can you do? This was one of the main reasons why we got out,” said Mykola Murashko, 46, who drove to Zaporizhzhia on Wednesday with his wife and children from the Russian-occupied town of Vasylivka.
Russian soldiers at the checkpoint were turning around people who admitted that*they were heading to Ukrainian-controlled Zaporizhzia city, he said. Mr. Murashko told them he was driving on business to another Russian-held village near the front-line. “Every morning for weeks, I kept waking up with the thought: let’s try to leave,” he said. “And today, we have made it.””
- Wall Street Journal
Jibartik
05-01-2022, 02:55 PM
drugs
BlackBellamy
05-01-2022, 03:27 PM
Outgoing:
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Incoming (check the 1:00 minute mark)
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Those single shots in the first part of the 2nd video, that's very precise. Artillery is notoriously inaccurate, for them to be able to single shot vehicles like that they have to be using laser guided shells.
Anyway, check out the action starting at the 2:55 mark. That's the MRLS landing, I love the infrared camera and the lack of sound, it brings this whole science-fiction quality to what you're watching; you can see the projectiles streak and slam into the ground, it's just so awesome.
Jibartik
05-01-2022, 03:42 PM
I seen a video of the ukrains dropping bombs into peoples sunroofs, they are like getting next level
Reiwa
05-01-2022, 05:53 PM
lmao going door to door arresting people for treason
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ufzi0m/fascinating_video_of_sbu_arresting_russian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
starkind
05-01-2022, 06:04 PM
Ukraine is still better than Russia. We would have a more stable world with Zelenskyy as president from Astana.
Jibartik
05-01-2022, 06:08 PM
https://i.imgur.com/xxtFAtm.png
Kaveh
05-01-2022, 06:10 PM
You Russophiles would’ve sided with Germany in WW2 because of Japanese interment
Sorry a fight for survival isn’t conducted perfectly by the letter of the law of the Geneva conventions. My Iranian passport is available to any of you guys who hate the American order
Reiwa
05-01-2022, 06:25 PM
You Russophiles would’ve sided with Germany in WW2 because of Japanese interment
Sorry a fight for survival isn’t conducted perfectly by the letter of the law of the Geneva conventions. My Iranian passport is available to any of you guys who hate the American order
Russia sucks too and probably more. Doesn't make Ukraine good.
GinnasP99
05-01-2022, 07:58 PM
WHO CARES
BlackBellamy
05-02-2022, 12:14 PM
lmao going door to door arresting people for treason
Sure! Priorities. You can't be arresting people for treason right away, there's too much going on with the panic and the bombing.
Once things settle down you can start going through the social media posts and the call and traffic logs, see who was giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Then once you have a list of traitors you go door to door and grab them all up.
Gustoo
05-02-2022, 12:27 PM
Going door to door and arresting people is standard operating procedure for totalitarian regimes, similar to the one we are working on establishing here. We've got population more than willing to hate eachother and turn eachother in for thought crimes that would be happy to see them hauled off for one reason or another.
There are people with actual morals and values that would protest (probably members of greenpeace already) but its just as easy to send them away for being sympathizers too.
Then it can collapse in 50 or so years.
Lets hope we don't choose that path. Choose love.
Reiwa
05-02-2022, 12:34 PM
Once things settle down you can start going through the social media posts
Then once you have a list of traitors you go door to door and grab them all up.
Jibartik
05-02-2022, 12:52 PM
cant wait to meet you all at the re-education camp.
Reiwa
05-02-2022, 10:18 PM
So like, get your Bloc pressed, cuz we going wild again this summer.
bump
Jibartik
05-02-2022, 11:06 PM
https://reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/ugxrvv/in_the_1950s_the_british_army_experimented_with/
I think that in war what we should do is spray LSD everywhere and then try to like attack after that. I think that should be like totally OK and I think that should be how we try to do war.
I would not consider this chemical weapons I think this would be great just spray LSD all over the whole entire country and then invade. Like, it would be amazing.
BlackBellamy
05-03-2022, 01:28 PM
Going door to door and arresting people is standard operating procedure for totalitarian regimes,.
What you're describing is like the Ukrainians piled out of a truck and surrounded an apartment building and then went door to door, every door one by one, and tossed the apartments and searched the people and took away any that looked or behaved funny. You're accepting a characterization from another forum poster, the only one who used the phrase "door to door".
That's not what happened though. There was no dragnet. They had a list of people, they went to their places of residence and they arrested people they had a reasonable suspicion were aiding the enemy in wartime.
What happened is SOP for any government in wartime.
Jibartik
05-03-2022, 01:36 PM
World would be far better place if we were spraying LSD all over countries at a time
Toxigen
05-03-2022, 03:18 PM
whats the latest on the war front, fellow elves?
MrSparkle001
05-03-2022, 03:29 PM
whats the latest on the war front, fellow elves?
Doesn't matter anymore. Didn't you hear about Roe vs Wade?
Kaveh
05-03-2022, 03:32 PM
whats the latest on the war front, fellow elves?
The Russians are slowly winning but it’s costing them dearly
(I think)
I read articles telling me Ukraine is winning, but the map tells a different story
Jibartik
05-03-2022, 03:39 PM
I guess they talking about declaring war by may 9, which makes me wonder if by that they mean shits about to get real.
or may mean nothing idk
Kaveh
05-03-2022, 03:50 PM
If they gave up 15,000 conscripts before “getting real” they are even dumber and uglier (Putin is hideous) than I thought
Jibartik
05-03-2022, 03:56 PM
stop simping for him
Kaveh
05-03-2022, 04:22 PM
You’re a weird guy jib
I wouldn’t piss on Putin if he were on fire
starkind
05-03-2022, 04:22 PM
All I know is Putin should have attacked America with 5000 conscripts. Even total and complete failure would have the idiots of this country probably killing more than 10,000 ppl in riots and shutting down the economy.
Jibartik
05-03-2022, 04:50 PM
You’re a weird guy jib
:o
Reiwa
05-03-2022, 05:23 PM
Ukraine did good Nielsen numbers but the new season of SCOTUS is gonna take all the awards.
Jibartik
05-03-2022, 05:27 PM
I wonder if during the next 100 days of riots china invades tiawan.
starkind
05-03-2022, 09:03 PM
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starkind
05-03-2022, 09:05 PM
I wonder if during the next 100 days of riots china invades tiawan.
I would. Doesn't make it right.
Kaveh
05-03-2022, 09:48 PM
I wonder if during the next 100 days of riots china invades tiawan.
If they’re smart, they’d just blockade it and dare us to do something. It would tank the global economy since they’re integral to global semiconductor production, and it would be hard for us to move to Taiwan’s defense without our ships getting hit. Okinawa isn’t that far and Taiwan has anti-ship missiles and drones, but yeah, I don’t think they invade. The Chinese aren’t as dumb as the Russians to get themselves lit up. A blockade would be as effective (probably, I am not a military person and won’t claim to be) and doesn’t look as bad as the Russians look in PR terms, plus, it forces us to move on the offense and get clobbered
But again, Taiwan probably has missiles and so do we. So does Japan. Tough call
Reiwa
05-03-2022, 10:37 PM
If they’re smart, they’d just blockade it and dare us to do something.
China is improving and therefore less dangerous than Russia which is declining. They are not to be believed on nuclear threats. If they blockade Taiwan, Sam will gladly accept the invitation to the turkey shoot.
Kaveh
05-03-2022, 11:03 PM
China is improving and therefore less dangerous than Russia which is declining. They are not to be believed on nuclear threats. If they blockade Taiwan, Sam will gladly accept the invitation to the turkey shoot.
Easier said than done so close to their shores and missile bases
Also, they are willing to commit genocide. Their threats should be taken seriously. China is as evil as North Korea, I don’t care how much shit they make in the global economy
Jibartik
05-03-2022, 11:20 PM
China is improving
https://i.imgur.com/p4VJHkd.jpg
robayon
05-03-2022, 11:24 PM
https://i.imgur.com/p4VJHkd.jpgthe majority of growth under capitalism has taken place in two places: india and china
have fun with the CCP as it pertains to china specifically, i still count them as right-wing authoritarians personally
Reiwa
05-03-2022, 11:37 PM
the majority of growth under capitalism has taken place in two places: india and china
That should be true but I'm curious as to your take on why.
robayon
05-03-2022, 11:46 PM
That should be true but I'm curious as to your take on why.convenience? alacrity? you won't hear me denying the pragmatism of basic growth, that's not how this works, i'm not a teenager who thinks that basic success isn't appealing to the basic participant in capitalist economic growth. obviously it is, i'd sell my chicken's eggs on the market same as any other asshole. my criticism is more systemic and larger. i've owned a business (with no employees other than myself) and i've worked for all kinds of other ones
Reiwa
05-04-2022, 12:06 AM
convenience? alacrity? you won't hear me denying the pragmatism of basic growth, that's not how this works, i'm not a teenager who thinks that basic success isn't appealing to the basic participant in capitalist economic growth. obviously it is, i'd sell my chicken's eggs on the market same as any other asshole. my criticism is more systemic and larger. i've owned a business (with no employees other than myself) and i've worked for all kinds of other ones
population.
Kaveh
05-04-2022, 12:34 AM
convenience? alacrity? you won't hear me denying the pragmatism of basic growth, that's not how this works, i'm not a teenager who thinks that basic success isn't appealing to the basic participant in capitalist economic growth. obviously it is, i'd sell my chicken's eggs on the market same as any other asshole. my criticism is more systemic and larger. i've owned a business (with no employees other than myself) and i've worked for all kinds of other ones
Damn dude he gave you a soft ball and you came back with some Kurdish nonsense
Agree that the Chinese are right wing authoritarians
Botten
05-04-2022, 12:42 AM
Damn dude he gave you a soft ball and you came back with some Kurdish nonsense
Agree that the Chinese are right wing authoritarians
Remember when the crazy right wing president left 70,000+ allies; the Kurds, to die in the terrible departure of Syria? Great to be a GOP voter right?
Kaveh
05-04-2022, 12:45 AM
The Kurds took Lake Van from the Armenians through genocide and shot at my grandfather in Mahabad. They can blow me
PS: voted for Biden ya douche von Deutschland
Botten
05-04-2022, 12:57 AM
The Kurds took Lake Van from the Armenians through genocide and shot at my grandfather in Mahabad. They can blow me
PS: voted for Biden ya douche von Deutschland
You recognize Trump was a problem but you are still republican. Guess what you are still part of the issue. Just fleeing from the problem... hey Armenians did that!
Jibartik
05-04-2022, 01:02 AM
Democrat fails again. Resorts to ad hominem.
Kaveh
05-04-2022, 01:06 AM
You recognize Trump was a problem but you are still republican. Guess what you are still part of the issue. Just fleeing from the problem... hey Armenians did that!
Republicans banning abortion is not nearly as bad as Nordstream dude. Germans have funded Putin when successive Republican presidents have tried to stop Nordstream
Cmon man!
Jibartik
05-04-2022, 01:08 AM
reminder the democrat turned the ukraine thread into a white womans burden rant.
Trexller
05-04-2022, 01:12 AM
Here's another really good Russian Conflict video that I found, it goes into alot more than Ukraine 2022
The ending is pretty damn powerful.
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robayon
05-04-2022, 08:10 AM
Damn dude he gave you a soft ball and you came back with some Kurdish nonsense
Agree that the Chinese are right wing authoritarianswe have a thing, Reiwa has a crush on me, it's how we flirt
BlackBellamy
05-04-2022, 09:02 AM
The Russians are slowly winning but it’s costing them dearly
(I think)
I read articles telling me Ukraine is winning, but the map tells a different story
The June 1944 map of Europe showed Germans winning because they held territory in Russia. The maps would still show the Germans to be winning in December of that year because they still held territory outside Germany. In fact they launched a major offensive at the time.
Most everyone agrees that the point where Germany started to lose the war was August of '43, right after Kursk.
But talking of winning and losing is not really applicable since no war was declared and there will not be a binary terminus.
What we're really talking about is outcomes. If we remove the nuclear holocaust as one possible outcome, the rest look real shitty for Russia and much better for Ukraine and the rest of the world.
MrSparkle001
05-04-2022, 09:14 AM
Russia wants at the very least eastern Ukraine and the southern coast to link Crimea by land.
The price they will pay for it is astronomical. They have made pariahs of themselves. The world turned a blind eye to Georgia and Crimea but not this time.
And now they're talking about wiping the U.K. and Ireland off the map.
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It may be all hot air saber-rattling but WTF Russia?
They're all nuts, Putin and his cronies. All nuts.
starkind
05-04-2022, 10:23 AM
Who names there missiles Satan 2s ☺
Oh man I watched it. Thats some cartoon level villainy.
I really don't feel like the science holds up. It's pretty weak.
MrSparkle001
05-04-2022, 10:40 AM
Who names there missiles Satan 2s ☺
Oh man I watched it. Thats some cartoon level villainy.
I really don't feel like the science holds up. It's pretty weak.
They're nuts. It's like watching a James Bond villain. Is this real life?
Reiwa
05-04-2022, 10:59 AM
we have a thing, Reiwa has a crush on me, it's how we flirt
Life precedes liberty in the statement of principles.
It can be thereby said that your right to liberty may not abrogate my right to life, nor mine yours.
Up twinkles?
Jibartik
05-04-2022, 11:26 AM
It’s gonna be weird living on earth with no England.
If you people think that this isn’t an inevitability after what our president has caused just posting us to say that yes the current president the United States just like you fucked up your Afghanistan evacuation fucked up a cold war that we’ve had for 90 years and now we’re going to lose an entire continent this is just a reality.
Reiwa
05-04-2022, 01:27 PM
Anyway sorry for running game rob (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGytDsqkQY8)
Jibartik
05-04-2022, 01:43 PM
Its very plausible that we could live in a world with no Dave Chappelle, or no england.
We live in one with no john Lennon.
Don't take this stuff for granted folks!
Horza
05-04-2022, 01:53 PM
It’s gonna be weird living on earth with no England.
If you people think that this isn’t an inevitability after what our president has caused just posting us to say that yes the current president the United States just like you fucked up your Afghanistan evacuation fucked up a cold war that we’ve had for 90 years and now we’re going to lose an entire continent this is just a reality.
Putin simp has entered the chat.
Jibartik
05-04-2022, 01:55 PM
Loramin!
robayon
05-04-2022, 02:01 PM
Anyway sorry for running game rob (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGytDsqkQY8)It's all good I don't even remember posting that response last night anyways, nor did I understand your response
But I do love you, and I do have a tenacious drinking problem
Kaveh
05-04-2022, 02:05 PM
England is pretty cool and historically important. I’m not a fan of Ireland but having been there, it’s objectively a cool place with cool people and culture. I wouldn’t trade those for Russia, especially since the Russians brought this upon themselves and everyone else
Scotland is cool too but I couldn’t understand ANYONE in Glasgow at all. I love Edinburgh and the whiskey tours though
Reiwa
05-05-2022, 12:27 PM
https://i.imgur.com/V6t9CAa.jpg
Jibartik
05-05-2022, 12:30 PM
lol
starkind
05-05-2022, 12:47 PM
We should have nuked Moscow day 12.
Jibartik
05-05-2022, 01:02 PM
Do any of you actually believe you are immune from living in a timeline where there isn't a radioactive crater in Europe?
starkind
05-05-2022, 01:34 PM
No. Y would I?
Y wait for the really bad Boys to move first when you have the upper hands?
Good chance China wouldn't have retaliated either.
The world can't run from Russia.
You either let them pick you apart. Pick you off. Or you go for the throat.
Neither option is particularly good.
Same for NK.
If I was the EU I would nuke both Russia and the USA. Outta spite.
Jimjam
05-05-2022, 01:39 PM
Lol @ The Sun, absolute shit rag of a newspaper. Putin just mad his Tory lapdogs have bitten the hand which fed.
I have a deadman’s button that releases my forum log in details to all time greatest RNFers and forum autists should I ever fail to make a post in a week so should I die in a nuclear tsunami the spirit of Jimjam can live on.
robayon
05-05-2022, 01:41 PM
Do any of you actually believe you are immune from living in a timeline where there isn't a radioactive crater in Europe?I'll be lucky if I'm alive in ten years, guess it depends on what happens when in the timeline
Kaveh
05-05-2022, 02:11 PM
I'll be lucky if I'm alive in ten years, guess it depends on what happens when in the timeline
You old or just planning terrorism like your Kurdish heroes?
Jibartik
05-05-2022, 02:11 PM
Sorry to hear that my good friend :(
edit: but hopefully none of us will! :D
Gustoo
05-05-2022, 02:28 PM
I have a deadman’s button that releases my forum log in details to all time greatest RNFers and forum autists should I ever fail to make a post in a week so should I die in a nuclear tsunami the spirit of Jimjam can live on.
chuckled, then read it again, and lol'd.
deadman switch for p99 forum credentials, oh man.
starkind
05-05-2022, 02:32 PM
Were u living Jimjam is probably fine. Russia doesn't want to ruin the megayacht resorts.
Kaveh
05-05-2022, 03:45 PM
Russia probably can’t even get a nuke off a launchpad
They’re barely functional retards like Arabs and Kurds. Calm down guys, mossad has been inside the Soviet state since they started backing Palestine long ago
Kaveh
05-05-2022, 03:46 PM
“Horrific as it is, this destruction and killing are not entirely wanton. They are being carried out in pursuit of a political objective: to erase Ukraine not only as a state but even as a concept. That conclusion emerges from the rhetoric of Russia’s leaders and state media, as well as from quietly accumulating facts on the ground. In occupied areas, including Kherson, the largest Russian-held city (pop. 300,000), authorities have imposed an Internet blackout, announced that next year school will be taught in Russian, introduced Russian administrative documents and initiated a gradual monetary conversion to the ruble. Demonstrations against the occupation in Kherson have ended because organizers have been arrested. Statues of Lenin have been reinstalled in various localities near Kherson from which they had been removed. There are reports that Moscow plans to stage pro-annexation referendums in the areas it controls, as well as in two spurious “people’s republics” it previously recognized, Donetsk and Luhansk, after which it will assert its sovereignty. It’s all strikingly similar to the strategy President Vladimir Putin employed to annex Crimea in 2014.”
Ethnic cleansing being added to the war crimes list. Nice!
starkind
05-05-2022, 03:50 PM
We would have stopped them but we won't because captalism in the west in in a state of collapse so Marxism wins again.
MrSparkle001
05-05-2022, 04:02 PM
“Horrific as it is, this destruction and killing are not entirely wanton. They are being carried out in pursuit of a political objective: to erase Ukraine not only as a state but even as a concept. That conclusion emerges from the rhetoric of Russia’s leaders and state media, as well as from quietly accumulating facts on the ground. In occupied areas, including Kherson, the largest Russian-held city (pop. 300,000), authorities have imposed an Internet blackout, announced that next year school will be taught in Russian, introduced Russian administrative documents and initiated a gradual monetary conversion to the ruble. Demonstrations against the occupation in Kherson have ended because organizers have been arrested. Statues of Lenin have been reinstalled in various localities near Kherson from which they had been removed. There are reports that Moscow plans to stage pro-annexation referendums in the areas it controls, as well as in two spurious “people’s republics” it previously recognized, Donetsk and Luhansk, after which it will assert its sovereignty. It’s all strikingly similar to the strategy President Vladimir Putin employed to annex Crimea in 2014.”
Ethnic cleansing being added to the war crimes list. Nice!
War crimes don't mean shit if you can't arrest and prosecute for them.
Unfortunate but true.
Jibartik
05-05-2022, 04:03 PM
Nato boots on the ground in Ukraine, i think we answered the OP
Jibartik
05-05-2022, 04:04 PM
Russia probably can’t even get a nuke off a launchpad
I am willing to take this bet! I agree! Lets go go go!
starkind
05-05-2022, 04:11 PM
Nato boots on the ground in Ukraine, i think we answered the OP
were u see that i dont see it in the news yet
Jibartik
05-05-2022, 04:13 PM
were u see that i dont see it in the news yet
my bad not there yet, I missread, but its coming.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/general-calls-for-nato-boots-on-the-ground-in-ukraine-2fv55sjkn
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