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Kaveh
10-06-2022, 12:13 AM
Who knows man, they have a lot of people and infinite natural resources. I’d still make them a slight favorite to win
Hopefully they don’t, but I’ve heard “the Iranian regime is falling!” my entire life but these shit holes have ways of holding on so I don’t get my hopes up
Trexller
10-06-2022, 12:23 AM
with the western military industrial complex creaming their pants over the amount of aid pouring into ukraine, this blows open the conspiracy theory door.
no more afghan war, so they need western gov'ts to keep buying more stuff. Since military aid is never given as new equipment, we send over all our old stuff, requiring the military to buy new stuff.
I'm pretty sure that all our global elite oligarchs do is play a game combined of monopoly and risk.
Kaveh
10-06-2022, 12:28 AM
Having worked for the oil industry for most of the past two decades, I’d be much more worried about Exxon and chevron than Lockheed and Raytheon
I’ve been told to fire someone whose wife got cancer because he didn’t produce for 6 months. It was very hard to not drag said executive behind my tundra on the gravel road at my ranch. I quit instead, fuckers
Never again
MrSparkle001
10-06-2022, 11:31 AM
with the western military industrial complex creaming their pants over the amount of aid pouring into ukraine, this blows open the conspiracy theory door.
no more afghan war, so they need western gov'ts to keep buying more stuff. Since military aid is never given as new equipment, we send over all our old stuff, requiring the military to buy new stuff.
I'm pretty sure that all our global elite oligarchs do is play a game combined of monopoly and risk.
I would say it's not a conspiracy but just exploiting the situation.
It also tests our weapons in real world situations vs actual militaries instead of vs guerilla combatants.
War is big business. It snapped the U.S. out of the Great Depression (and don't let anyone tell you it was the New Deal).
Basanos
10-06-2022, 11:33 AM
The New Deal snapped the U.S. out of the Great Depression, I just learned
Encroaching Death
10-06-2022, 11:44 AM
The New Deal snapped the U.S. out of the Great Depression, I just learned
Damn, if only Biden could have made a deal with Opec...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/10/05/saudi-arabia-russia-defy-biden-biggest-oil-output-cut-two-years/
Jibartik
10-06-2022, 11:46 AM
The New Deal snapped the U.S. out of the Great Depression, I just learned
Haha it's not like the greatest world war didn't immediately follow it.
Imagine covid bailouts, and then instead of a small military incursion, we had world war 3 right now?
After all the dust settled, children of the boomers 2 would say the same shit about covid bailouts.
"white men saved the country, then some evil dictator in Europe screwed that all up!"
Without world war 2, the new deal, like the 2008 bailout, would have resulted in civil war 10-15 years later.
MrSparkle001
10-06-2022, 11:47 AM
The New Deal snapped the U.S. out of the Great Depression, I just learned
That's what my history teachers loved saying. Omg the New Deal ended the Great Depression, and here are all the bullshit reasons why. This will all be on the final.
Encroaching Death
10-06-2022, 11:49 AM
That's what my history teachers loved saying. Omg the New Deal ended the Great Depression, and here are all the bullshit reasons why. This will all be on the final.
If this was true, our government would be starting "New Deals" instead of "New Wars", like they are now.
MrSparkle001
10-06-2022, 11:54 AM
If this was true, our government would be starting "New Deals" instead of "New Wars", like they are now.
Exactly!
This current proxy war may not be showing profits just yet but if you own some of that defense tech stock you're rubbing your hands right now.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/513/012/625.jpg
Reiwa
10-06-2022, 12:45 PM
That's what my history teachers loved saying. Omg the New Deal ended the Great Depression, and here are all the bullshit reasons why. This will all be on the final.
The New Deal was a necessary ransom to prevent a commie revolution in the US.
Basanos
10-06-2022, 01:00 PM
The New Deal was a necessary ransom to prevent a commie revolution in the US.Shh conservatives think they have an objective understanding of U.S. history you're gonna break the comedy faucet
Kaveh
10-06-2022, 01:03 PM
The New Deal snapped the U.S. out of the Great Depression, I just learned
The Tennessee valley authority did a lot
I’m thinking the war time economy did a lot more than the new deal on balance for the US economic turnaround. Not to say that the new deal did nothing
Can Danth weigh in on this? I value his opinion highly
Jibartik
10-06-2022, 01:05 PM
Biden in the news today looks like a man that knew the war started. The big one.
Basanos
10-06-2022, 01:08 PM
The Tennessee valley authority did a lot
I’m thinking the war time economy did a lot more than the new deal on balance for the US economic turnaround. Not to say that the new deal did nothing
Can Danth weigh in on this? I value his opinion highlyI was just being contrary. So far, just taking the opposite position of your average alt-right manchild on this forum has given me about an 82% correctness rate, issue-by-issue.
MrSparkle001
10-06-2022, 01:11 PM
Shh conservatives think they have an objective understanding of U.S. history you're gonna break the comedy faucet
I only had one conservative history teacher, and it was U.S. History I so didn't include 20th century.
The rest were liberals that loved spewing nonsense.
Basanos
10-06-2022, 01:14 PM
I only had one conservative history teacher, and it was U.S. History I so didn't include 20th century.
The rest were liberals that loved spewing nonsense.There's no such thing as an objectively correct history teacher anyways, no matter which way they lean they're always brainwashing even if they aren't aware of it
Kaveh
10-06-2022, 01:15 PM
I was just being contrary. So far, just taking the opposite position of your average alt-right manchild on this forum has given me about an 82% correctness rate, issue-by-issue.
I think the new deal started the recovery and WWII completed it
But the Tennessee valley authority was and still has been extremely important. I’m sure there are other positive effects of the new deal
MrSparkle001
10-06-2022, 01:17 PM
I think the new deal started the recovery and WWII completed it
But the Tennessee valley authority was and still has been extremely important. I’m sure there are other positive effects of the new deal
Oh there were a few positive effects, but it wasn't the cure-all some people seem to think it was.
Not that it has anything to do with Putin invading Ukraine.
Reiwa
10-06-2022, 01:17 PM
Biden in the news today looks like a man that knew the war started. The big one.
The f-bomb or the DACA thing?
Here is a meme.
https://i.redd.it/m8dotrzh97s91.jpg
Thank mr Bide
Danth
10-06-2022, 01:21 PM
Can Danth weigh in on this? I value his opinion highly
How about a more directly applicable opinion? My folks grew up during the Depression and they would not speak an ill word of FDR. They used to say the war helped, but things were already picking back up regardless and the worst days were already past.
Danth
Kaveh
10-06-2022, 01:21 PM
I knew you’d come through
Basanos
10-06-2022, 01:29 PM
I'd sign up for a new CCC in a heartbeat.
Encroaching Death
10-06-2022, 01:39 PM
Thank mr Bide
So Biden doesn't get credit for the Economy unless it's good news.
Reiwa
10-06-2022, 01:44 PM
So Biden doesn't get credit for the Economy unless it's good news.
You started it.
Encroaching Death
10-06-2022, 01:46 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/schumer-putin.jpg
Encroaching Death
10-06-2022, 01:47 PM
https://media.patriots.win/post/8COGOFNyu2Um.jpeg
Basanos
10-06-2022, 01:53 PM
https://media.patriots.win/post/8COGOFNyu2Um.jpegI'm just trying to see why this post is blank
what is patriots.win is that the conservative competitor to those WOKE bastards at imgur
Reiwa
10-06-2022, 01:54 PM
https://media.patriots.win/post/8COGOFNyu2Um.jpeg
Net exporter isn't energy independent.
Encroaching Death
10-06-2022, 01:55 PM
those WOKE bastards at imgur
It's refreshing to hear a leftist say this
Basanos
10-06-2022, 02:02 PM
It's refreshing to hear a leftist say thisi figured it out, it was hospital wifi must have that host blocked for some insane reason
Encroaching Death
10-06-2022, 03:09 PM
i figured it out, it was hospital wifi must have that host blocked for some insane reason
The hospital doesn't like Trump.
Our office blocked Hillary Clinton's website back in 2016.
Jibartik
10-06-2022, 03:39 PM
Because patients were sharing notes that said, "GET OUT THE HOSPITAL IS POISONING US"
Basanos
10-06-2022, 03:54 PM
The hospital doesn't like Trump.
Our office blocked Hillary Clinton's website back in 2016.Gosh I can't imagine why hospitals wouldn't like the guy. And good on your office in 2016.
Encroaching Death
10-06-2022, 04:20 PM
Gosh I can't imagine why hospitals wouldn't like the guy. And good on your office in 2016.
To be fair to them, they probably have a packaged web filter and the SPLC probably labeled 'patriots.win' an extremist site, so it's thrown in the pile of ISIS and gore websites.
Basanos
10-06-2022, 04:25 PM
To be fair to them, they probably have a packaged web filter and the SPLC probably labeled 'patriots.win' an extremist site, so it's thrown in the pile of ISIS and gore websites.I did notice in the past they also block porn
I was doing, uh, research, yeah.
Encroaching Death
10-06-2022, 04:34 PM
I did notice in the past they also block porn
I was doing, uh, research, yeah.
"Physical Therapy"
Basanos
10-06-2022, 04:35 PM
"Physical Therapy"Arm Exercises
Jibartik
10-06-2022, 05:33 PM
Gosh I can't imagine why hospitals wouldn't like the guy. And good on your office in 2016.
Remember: Hospitals are the enemy in the "patients are getting ripped off" war in America today.
https://i.imgur.com/8gIHq5N.png
Encroaching Death
10-06-2022, 06:15 PM
The politicians are getting a cut, so nothing will ever happen
Basanos
10-06-2022, 07:13 PM
Remember: Hospitals are the enemy in the "patients are getting ripped off" war in America today.
https://i.imgur.com/8gIHq5N.pngMaybe so, but where else am I supposed to go for cancer treatment? They kind of have us over the barrel there
I'd have considered flying to Estonia or whatever but we didn't have time
Jibartik
10-06-2022, 07:35 PM
Gosh I can't imagine why hospitals wouldn't like the guy.
I'm more commenting on who it is they hate :)
Reiwa
10-06-2022, 07:59 PM
Remember: Hospitals are the enemy in the "patients are getting ripped off" war in America today.
https://i.imgur.com/8gIHq5N.png
Billed to insurance.
Jibartik
10-06-2022, 08:00 PM
The insurance company is litearlly just a middle man who takes a cut along the way.
The person that writes the bill is the person that decides the cost of tests.
Did you know medicare does not cover tests?
They are literally not testing the old, so they die
this country is fucking shit and i hate it and i hope its all over soon.
Basanos
10-06-2022, 08:50 PM
Bout half a million billed to insurance company so far, will be a lot more by the time this is through. Hopefully the majority before EOY since the out of pocket will reset 😬
Jibartik
10-06-2022, 09:22 PM
Fuckn tribulation.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 06:33 AM
Billed to insurance.
And that cost is passed onto us, ya dunce.
MrSparkle001
10-07-2022, 09:03 AM
Maybe so, but where else am I supposed to go for cancer treatment? They kind of have us over the barrel there
I'd have considered flying to Estonia or whatever but we didn't have time
That's fucking ridiculous.
They tried to bill me $1,800 once to change a bandaid.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 09:13 AM
That's fucking ridiculous.
They tried to bill me $1,800 once to change a bandaid.
Captive Markets are regulated all the time too, but not Medical...for some reason.
I just got done going through a hurricane. We have laws here that don't allow inflating prices on general hurricane items (water, batteries, gas, etc).
Just kind of funny how it's 10 times more expensive than other countries.
Is our Tylenol 10 times better? No.
Research and Development costs? Hospitals don't do that.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 09:19 AM
Meanwhile, draftkings is entering a partnership with ESPN
I’m sure nothing weird could come of that….
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 09:20 AM
Meanwhile, draftkings is entering a partnership with ESPN
I’m sure nothing weird could come of that….
Everything else is incestuous and corrupt, why not?
lol
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 09:20 AM
Captive Markets are regulated all the time too, but not Medical...for some reason.
I just got done going through a hurricane. We have laws here that don't allow inflating prices on general hurricane items (water, batteries, gas, etc).
Just kind of funny how it's 10 times more expensive than other countries.
Is our Tylenol 10 times better? No.
Research and Development costs? Hospitals don't do that.
To be fair, we are ten times more obese and our nursing and physician salaries are much higher
Good luck changing that my man. Whichever party did it would never win another election. I think doctors spend the second most on lobbying after lawyers
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 09:23 AM
To be fair, we are ten times more obese and our nursing and physician salaries are much higher
Good luck changing that my man. Whichever party did it would never win another election. I think doctors spend the second most on lobbying after lawyers
I agree with the first part, but are our medical salaries really that much higher than say Canada, or countries in Europe?
I dunno if it justifies a 10X increase is all.
I could be wrong...but 10X?
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 09:24 AM
wait wait wait....what?
The average doctor salary in Canada is $68,933 per year or $35.35 per hour.
For real???
I make more than the average Canadian doctor?
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 09:25 AM
Yeah, no one ever talks about it. Janitors make more in Germany than physicians
MrSparkle001
10-07-2022, 09:26 AM
I agree with the first part, but are our medical salaries really that much higher than say Canada, or countries in Europe?
I dunno if it justifies a 10X increase is all.
I could be wrong...but 10X?
From what I've heard yes it's much higher, and the cost of malpractice insurance and other expenses like that is also through the roof since we're lawsuit-happy here.
I've also heard plenty of medical providers would stop practicing altogether if we moved to a single payer system like universal medicare. There's no money in that.
It's all kinds of fucked up here.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 09:28 AM
From what I've heard yes it's much higher, and the cost of malpractice insurance and other expenses like that is also through the roof since we're lawsuit-happy here.
I've also heard plenty of medical providers would stop practicing altogether if we moved to a single payer system like universal medicare. There's no money in that.
It's all kinds of fucked up here.
Physician assistants and NPs will have to take over primary care, but yes, we do need to talk about obesity and addiction killing us. There should be an upper limit to how much an individual is entitled to tax the system as an adult.
magnetaress
10-07-2022, 09:29 AM
It's costing us more to let people die through negligence despite the inflated costs because people just bounce around from institution to institution until they wind up on the street crazy and on drugs. Either state provided or illegal.
The only solutions are to completely deregulate healthcare. Kill the sick. Or 100% socialize it. All these options have pros and cons. And limits.
I'm in favor of just putting everyone in the military and providing palliative care to those who are dying or too sick and week (or mentally aka morally ill) to do their duty.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 09:30 AM
I agree with the first part, but are our medical salaries really that much higher than say Canada, or countries in Europe?
I dunno if it justifies a 10X increase is all.
I could be wrong...but 10X?
My son took a travel CRNA contract in Colorado for $650k in 2021. The FEMA contracts trump put into the system for Covid paid $10k a week for nurses with a lot of that tax free
Biden has actually clamped down on this but yeah man, don’t go down the rabbit hole, it’ll piss you off. My son and his wife (she’s an RN) pulled in $900k in 2021 with a significant portion tax free stipend
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 09:33 AM
we do need to talk about obesity and addiction killing us
If only our vegetables weren't injected with high fructose corn syrup...
Halfway kidding. I know people have to take personal responsibility for what they shove in their mouths, but the industrialization of food and anti-depressants doesn't really help the situation either.
It's hard to find truly healthy foods sometimes. Even the advertised "Health Food" has something lurking in its ingredients.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 09:34 AM
Hunt moose, fish, and plant a garden
Honestly man, I have no sympathy for eating poorly
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 09:36 AM
I’m supposed to be sympathetic to the illegals crossing the border, the obese, the deadbeat dads, the liars, lobbyists, con artists…
Nope. Life is hard, but you only make it harder when you pass on the burden of your existence to others. I don’t care if dad didn’t hug you. Find God and break the cycle of wickedness
(Not directed at anyone, just a statement)
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 09:38 AM
Hunt moose, fish, and plant a garden
Basically what it's going to come down to.
The average person in the Soviet Union had a family chicken coop and vegetable garden to sustain the family. Maybe that's in our future.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 09:41 AM
I’m supposed to be sympathetic to the illegals crossing the border, the obese, the deadbeat dads, the liars, lobbyists, con artists…
Nope. Life is hard, but you only make it harder when you pass on the burden of your existence to others. I don’t care if dad didn’t hug you. Find God and break the cycle of wickedness
(Not directed at anyone, just a statement)
Sure, I agree. But what if there was a group of people who purposely wanted to put others in a endless cycle of sickness, obesity, and 'cures'.
Shouldn't those people be exposed and brought to justice? To me, that's malicious activity and on a scale that could be considered a national security threat.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 09:44 AM
Hate to tell you this buddy, any system designed to constrain those people would be co-opted by them and they’d merely have the tools of control you made
This is why communism can’t work. But yes, we could absolutely ban lobbying, end corn subsidies, and raise the max tax rate. We could also nuke China
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 09:54 AM
Hate to tell you this buddy, any system designed to constrain those people would be co-opted by them and they’d merely have the tools of control you made
I believe this has already happened.
Maybe this was always the case. I don't know who to blame. Rockefeller? He probably had enough money to buy the US.
Basanos
10-07-2022, 10:19 AM
Basically what it's going to come down to.
The average person in the Soviet Union had a family chicken coop and vegetable garden to sustain the family. Maybe that's in our future.I live in an area absolutely burgeoning with chicken processing facilities. There are probably many millions of chickens within three miles of my house
The homeowner's association will put a lien on my house if I build a chicken coop
If I have no intention of ever selling, I wonder if the lien will matter. I swear I hear a rooster around here sometimes, I wonder if someone else is being a poultry rebel
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 10:46 AM
I live in an area absolutely burgeoning with chicken processing facilities. There are probably many millions of chickens within three miles of my house
The homeowner's association will put a lien on my house if I build a chicken coop
If I have no intention of ever selling, I wonder if the lien will matter. I swear I hear a rooster around here sometimes, I wonder if someone else is being a poultry rebel
I've always wondered how homeowner's associations were able to flourish in this country.
I know, I know...they're good for the value of your home.
Still...a lot of em are fascist as fuck. My parent's HoA doesn't even allow people to own pickup trucks lol
I just have all the complaints this morning, huh
Basanos
10-07-2022, 11:23 AM
I am not a fan of HOA's they have weaponized the NIMBYs. At least ours is cheap, like $200 per year or some crap.
I suspect the ascent of the HOA has something to do with our tendency to have lawns and waste resources on them. I'd love to turn my whole yard either into a zeroscaped pile of dirt and rocks or a functional garden with mostly native plants.
She can't help me with yard work, the immune system stuff prohibits it. I hate you, pinestraw. Mulch is better than you.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 11:27 AM
HOAs are garbage. No idea why they’re allowed to exist
Reiwa
10-07-2022, 12:09 PM
HOAs are garbage. No idea why they’re allowed to exist
Because they're voluntary, like the vaxx. You aren't required to own any particular place.
Reiwa
10-07-2022, 12:10 PM
It's costing us more to let people die through negligence despite the inflated costs because people just bounce around from institution to institution until they wind up on the street crazy and on drugs. Either state provided or illegal.
The only solutions are to completely deregulate healthcare. Kill the sick. Or 100% socialize it. All these options have pros and cons. And limits.
I'm in favor of just putting everyone in the military and providing palliative care to those who are dying or too sick and week (or mentally aka morally ill) to do their duty.
Can solve half the healthcare problem by making health insurance mandatory.
(Actually you're not allowed to do that, but it was a nice try.)
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 12:12 PM
Armageddon??
https://i.imgur.com/aL4Qu4A.png
Let me get this straight:
Instead of living in a world where Ukraine is part of the Russian federation
You would ALL rather kill yourselves, and everyone else?!?
You'd rather there were no such things as humans, than a Russian border around Ukraine!?
This makes no sense to me.
Im not willing to make this trade.
This is the stupidest thing Ive ever seen.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 12:22 PM
Can solve half the healthcare problem by making health insurance mandatory.
(Actually you're not allowed to do that, but it was a nice try.)
Would that solve it though?
So force everyone to buy expensive insurance they can't afford?
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 12:22 PM
If you cared about humans, you'd support the mass feeding of starving countries.
If you care about whatever your king says then you think we should all die because the other king wont listen to us.
Fucking lord of the flies over here.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 12:25 PM
You can fix healthcare by nationalizing HOSPITALS not the health care industry.
All you really have to do is make competing nationalized hospitals really.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 12:27 PM
Armageddon??
https://i.imgur.com/aL4Qu4A.png
Let me get this straight:
Instead of living in a world where Ukraine is part of the Russian federation
You would ALL rather kill yourselves, and everyone else?!?
You'd rather there were no such things as humans, than a Russian border around Ukraine!?
This makes no sense to me.
Im not willing to make this trade.
This is the stupidest thing Ive ever seen.
If you appease an invader, he only takes more.
You have to slap your dick across his chin and let him know that his behavior is unacceptable.
I hate agreeing with Biden, but Russia can't run rampant with impunity. We got this whole social contract goin on.
When someone is a danger to the community, we throw them in cages so they don't fuck with others.
Russia needs to meet a cage, unfortunately. They forced our hand.
Dying probably isn't all that bad anyway. You won't feel a thing. Slight pinch, maybe.
Reiwa
10-07-2022, 12:28 PM
Would that solve it though?
So force everyone to buy expensive insurance they can't afford?
Ratepayers subsidize the cost of the uninsured. It is known.
Too bad fixing it is not allowed, apparently.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 12:30 PM
Ratepayers subsidize the cost of the uninsured. It is known.
Too bad fixing it is not allowed, apparently.
Yeah, the poor subsidizes the ultra poor.
So the poor say "Fuck this" and don't pay.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 12:30 PM
If you appease an invader, he only takes more..
That's fine dude! When he comes to take something that is a fair trade for my life, then Im mroe than wiling to give it.
But im not ready to kill myself, because he MIGHT come take it, or I dont agree with his actions.
Im not a monk.
This is outragious.
I DON'T back this war, full stop.
Im against this type of rhetoric, and this type of behavior.
The. pen. is. mightier. than. the. sword.
The nuke is mightier than intentions.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 12:33 PM
Ah well. at least this ends in my favorite outcome.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 12:38 PM
Leader: "the road I am leading you down, may end in ARHMAGEDDON if the guy we say has lost his mind, doesn't get his act together."
Me: "GET THE FUCK OFF THE ROAD!"
Unfortunately you were born on "Team Empire".
Which means you occasionally have to take a bite of a shit sandwich "for the good of the world" (AKA so American elites can hold onto power)
You will be told "your life is great, so stop complaining". The benefit of starting wars means you might get an extra Starbucks or two near you.
Pretty cool, huh? You like cheap clothing from The Gap, right? Don't ask who made them. Ignorance is bliss.
You're strapped in this ride. I know, it sucks.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 12:41 PM
Cmon man, nobody fucks with a Do!
https://i.imgur.com/OVeI4l3.png
Reiwa
10-07-2022, 12:43 PM
Yeah, the poor subsidizes the ultra poor.
So the poor say "Fuck this" and don't pay.
It would be in their interest to comply given the subsidization is present in both scenarios.
Hope this helps.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 12:46 PM
It would be in their interest to comply given the subsidization is present in both scenarios.
Hope this helps.
How can you comply when you cannot afford something?
"Just buy an electric vehicle"
I swear you neo-libs take "Let them eat cake" as real advice...
Reiwa
10-07-2022, 12:47 PM
How can you comply when you cannot afford something?
"Just buy an electric vehicle"
I swear you neo-libs take "Let them eat cake" as real advice...
But you clearly can, because you already are.
Also, brioches is what she said. They asked for bread.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 12:48 PM
Right now the only way Armageddon wont happen, is if a "madman", we think blew up his own pipelines to ensure his personal security, wont use the nukes he's threatening us with.
Ya'll are really OK with that?
Reiwa
10-07-2022, 12:52 PM
Imagine using Jacobin narratives to own a Lib in 2022. Just terrific stuff.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 12:53 PM
But you clearly can, because you already are.
Also, brioches is what she said. They asked for bread.
No, you aren't. Not until you're slapped with a massive medical bill.
Ask a 20 year old who works minimum wage to pay $600/month for insurance and he'll tell you to fuck off.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 12:53 PM
Imagine using Jacobin narratives to own a Lib in 2022. Just terrific stuff.
French tubman did nothing wrong.
Reiwa
10-07-2022, 12:58 PM
No, you aren't. Not until you're slapped with a massive medical bill.
Ask a 20 year old who works minimum wage to pay $600/month for insurance and he'll tell you to fuck off.
Perhaps we could partly subsidize his insurance? So he still pays a little...?
How has noone thought of this?
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 01:01 PM
Perhaps we could partly subsidize his insurance? So he still pays a little...?
How has noone thought of this?
They have.
That's Obamacare.
Basanos
10-07-2022, 01:03 PM
Right now the only way Armageddon wont happen, is if a "madman", we think blew up his own pipelines to ensure his personal security, wont use the nukes he's threatening us with.
Ya'll are really OK with that?I try to only worry about things I can change
I don't see how supporting or not supporting a party or candidate in America fixes this Russia-Ukraine pickle
Reiwa
10-07-2022, 01:04 PM
They have.
That's Obamacare.
Well done, I'll stop trolling you now.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 01:28 PM
Well done, I'll stop trolling you now.
And we still have healthcare issues.
Well done, continue to troll me.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 01:34 PM
Because they're voluntary, like the vaxx. You aren't required to own any particular place.
Housing isn’t affordable as it is. Why make it less so?
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 01:40 PM
Right now the only way Armageddon wont happen, is if a "madman", we think blew up his own pipelines to ensure his personal security, wont use the nukes he's threatening us with.
Ya'll are really OK with that?
You offering an alternative? We can’t “let” Russia have Ukraine. Russia is getting its ass kicked
And whoever blew up the pipeline made it so there’s no turning back, as did Putin with his annexation (the pipeline was also him). Not sure what you want us to do man. I guess we could join the Russians and help them take Ukraine. Doesn’t seem like they can do it before this winter
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 01:42 PM
I try to only worry about things I can change
I don't see how supporting or not supporting a party or candidate in America fixes this Russia-Ukraine pickle
Cat’s out of the bag So to speak
But I admit Vlad the Defenestrator seems like the type of retard to use a nuke
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 01:43 PM
Imagine using Jacobin narratives to own a Lib in 2022. Just terrific stuff.
This is 1:1 the narrative from the white house.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 01:47 PM
You offering an alternative? We can’t “let” Russia have Ukraine. Russia is getting its ass kicked
And whoever blew up the pipeline made it so there’s no turning back, as did Putin with his annexation (the pipeline was also him). Not sure what you want us to do man. I guess we could join the Russians and help them take Ukraine. Doesn’t seem like they can do it before this winter
Yeah Id definitely let them sort it out if the alternative is suicide, what part of this do yo not understand.
Or the US should force them into some sort of treaty if that means moving the border so be it.
We need to take control of this situation.
Threatening to extinguish ALL LIFE to a man we all agree is mad =/= this beef.
This heavens gate cult on a global scale.
we gotta figure out a way to cool our jets, and have conversations with each other, the other option of dropping bombs on each other is just stupid.
Basanos
10-07-2022, 01:49 PM
Kaveh you mass murdering SOB
That's right we are holding you to account for war crimes on the elf board
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 01:52 PM
So we attack the Ukrainians so that the Russians don’t nuke us? It’s a no from me dawg
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 01:53 PM
When did the left change their opinion of people going to kill in a war to prevent communism spreading from "thats baby killing"
to, "anyone who doesnt agree with this war is insane"
What was it that made you change your opionion basanos?
Or were you always against the left throughout the 1960s, and the anti vietnam stuff?
So we attack the Ukrainians so that the Russians don’t nuke us? It’s a no from me dawg
This is the problem, you see everything as war and combat and fighting, which is wrong, because that hasnt solved ONE THING in any of our lives.
I said, make a treaty, make peace.
How that turns into us attacking ukrainians, I cant even imagine how you made that mental backflip.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 01:54 PM
I’m not left. I’m pretty right wing dummy
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 01:54 PM
Yeah Id definitely let them sort it out if the alternative is suicide, what part of this do yo not understand.
Or id come to some sort of treaty if that means moving the border so be it.
ALL LIFE =/= this beef.
This heavens gate cult on a global scale.
I get it, you hate putin, so does everyone that lives under him.
You dont have to prove it by mass murdering everyone.
I think this transcends Putin and Russia.
The global community can't let anyone do this. It's bad for business.
I mean, yeah we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're different. We're the good guys.
Sarcasm aside, we weren't planning on annexing those countries.
This is the equivalent of stabbing your potential rapist on your first day in prison.
Yeah, it's dangerous. You could die. But you have to send a message that your butthole is not open for business or else you'll be stretched out like an old t-shirt.
No one wants a stretched out butthole.
Sometimes the Neo Cons are right.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 01:56 PM
I’m not left. I’m pretty right wing dummy
I was talking to basanos, to whom I mentioned in the post, DUMMY.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 01:56 PM
I think this transcends Putin and Russia.
The global community can't let anyone do this.
Agree to disagree.
(WE do this)
No one wants a stretched out butthole.
Sometimes the Neo Cons are right.
At his point, the best outcome is BIDEN DEFEATS PUTIN! new president democratically elected under nato supervision!
2nd best outcome is: Nukes averted, ussr becomes north korea (mass killings in Russia, world war 3 hopefully doesnt start at some point down the road.)
3rd best outcome is: you survive the initial global meltdown, and then die horribly by starvation/radiation poisoning.
If it's anything short of the best solution, that's a shame.
I hope you're right, because at this point, we're going for 1.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 01:58 PM
Agree to disagree.
(WE do this)
I agree with you and in some ways, I feel the same way.
Like I said before, you were born on "Team Empire". Our crimes get overlooked because we've got the biggest cock on the block.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 01:59 PM
I was talking to basanos, to whom I mentioned in the post, DUMMY.
You edited it 15 times
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 01:59 PM
I think this transcends Putin and Russia.
The global community can't let anyone do this. It's bad for business.
I mean, yeah we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're different. We're the good guys.
Sarcasm aside, we weren't planning on annexing those countries.
This is the equivalent of stabbing your potential rapist on your first day in prison.
Yeah, it's dangerous. You could die. But you have to send a message that your butthole is not open for business or else you'll be stretched out like an old t-shirt.
No one wants a stretched out butthole.
Sometimes the Neo Cons are right.
We didn’t annex them. Huge difference
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 02:00 PM
All of this could also be an elaborate plan to bring down Russia.
That is possible.
If that's the case, I hope China is next.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:01 PM
You edited it 15 times
Just once, say, oh sorry.
Be a man.
All of this could also be an elaborate plan to bring down Russia.
That is possible.
If that's the case, I hope China is next.
It feels to me that this is exactly it.
What is the best outcome here, after we beat the shit out of russia, and pusht hem behind their border.
We do what?
Basanos
10-07-2022, 02:01 PM
What makes you think I support this war? I'd abolish militaries if I could. I thought being opposed to all war was kind of self-contained within that stance.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:03 PM
War is bad. Putin shouldn’t have stirred up a hornet’s nest and gotten his ass kicked
Sucks to suck
Basanos
10-07-2022, 02:06 PM
Just once, say, oh sorry.
Be a man.
It feels to me that this is exactly it.
What is the best outcome here, after we beat the shit out of russia, and pusht hem behind their border.
We do what?I thought the idea with all the sanctions n' shit was to strangle out the common Russian, to the point where they chuck out their government and form a new one, presumably a friendlier one to our interests.
I mean, yeah, that'd cause a lot of death, especially considering it's Russia... but... that's American foreign policy I guess. Nine sticks one carrot
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:07 PM
We did that after they invaded
Before that, Germany was subsidizing them. It’s an own goal by Russia. They’re dumber than Iran
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:08 PM
“Our plan was to have Russia invade Ukraine so that we could topple them”
LOL
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:09 PM
War is bad. Putin shouldn’t have stirred up a hornet’s nest and gotten his ass kicked
Sucks to suck
Im not a fucking hornet.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 02:09 PM
War is bad. Putin shouldn’t have stirred up a hornet’s nest and gotten his ass kicked
Sucks to suck
I think the US plan was surround Russia with NATO and get them so paranoid that Russia couldn't help but invade.
It's like a street fight where one dude is getting in the face of another, and antagonizes him until he snaps and throws the first punch.
The guy who throws the first punch is technically the bad guy.
Russia fell for the trap.
Props to the US for exploiting Russia's paranoia, I guess.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:09 PM
“Our plan was to have Russia invade Ukraine so that we could topple them”
LOL
That's not what we were talking about little boy.
During this process, they decided to topple them.
What do you think the sanctions are for? To empower Russia?
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:10 PM
Just once, say, oh sorry.
Be a man.
Nah Dumb dumb you call me liberal 25x a day, I’m not
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:11 PM
That's not what we were talking about little boy.
During this process, they decided to topple them.
What do you think the sanctions are for? To empower Russia?
They are a response to Russia invading
We also have punishments for criminal. It’s not a secret plot to topple them
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:11 PM
No, you are a fish. You flip flop for whomever the establishment media shills for.
Basanos is a libearl.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:12 PM
They are a response to Russia invading
We also have punishments for criminal. It’s not a secret plot to topple them
Your punishment is to use ME as cannon fodder in an extinction level event.
You're all fucking insane.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:15 PM
I hope you guys are WRONG that putin has lost his mind.
I hope that you are RIGHT that he is just bluffing about killing my entire family.
I hope that you are WRONG that he blew up his own pipelines, thereby sacrificing thousands of innocent lives this winter, and his own people.
Because if you are RIGHT about all that, then why would someone who has done that, and has lost his mind, stop there?
All I know, is for you to be RIGHT, you sure do have to be WRONG a lot.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:16 PM
No, you are a fish. You flip flop for whomever the establishment media shills for.
Basanos is a libearl.
Yes that’s why I voted for Kerry and Trump. The media was all in on trump and Ross Perot
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:17 PM
I hope you guys are WRONG that putin, hasnt lost his mind.
I hope that you are RIGHT that he is just bluffing about killing my entire family.
I hope that you are WRONG that he blew up his own pipelines, thereby sacrificing thousands of innocent lives this winter, and his own people.
Because if you are RIGHT about all that, then why would someone who has done that, and has lost his mind, stop there?
All I know, is for you to be RIGHT, you sure do have to be WRONG a lot.
If you cared about innocent lives you wouldn’t be for letting a madman shell civilian apartment blocks
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:19 PM
If you cared about innocent lives you wouldn’t be for letting a madman shell civilian apartment blocks
That's so short sighted.
I think that there are better solutions to save more innocent lives like, mass feeding starving countries, and moving our military from ukraine, to that, would save more lives overall.
You dont think about things hard enough man, c'mon.
You care about the "message" and you'd not only sacrafice ukrainian lives for it, you now want to sacrafice all human life for it.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:20 PM
Yes that’s why I voted for Kerry and Trump. The media was all in on trump and Ross Perot
Trump had the biggest populust movement in this country since before ww1 jesus christ.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:23 PM
The media supported him? Interesting
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:24 PM
I think what ukraine did is amazing, and patriotic, and profound and increidble, and worth calling heroic.
But nuclear war?? We have to hit the breaks, and come to some sort of terms.
Is it really worth risking? Im the only pro end of life on this planet poster here really, ED is kind of down for it. Magna too..
But you all? You all are supposed to be the rational ones.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:26 PM
That's so short sighted.
I think that there are better solutions to save more innocent lives like, mass feeding starving countries, and moving our military from ukraine, to that, would save more lives overall.
You dont think about things hard enough man, c'mon.
You care about the "message" and you'd not only sacrafice ukrainian lives for it, you now want to sacrafice all human life for it.
I’m sacrificing no one, that’s your boy Putin
Do you leave your valuables on your lawn so that would be criminals don’t break the windows? That’s kind of what you’re suggesting
We’re also beyond a turning point. The Ukrainians are winning and this is going into winter. We would have to actively stop Ukraine to create a forced settlement. News flash, they’d just fight again because Ukraine, Russia, or both wouldn’t accept it
You’re not offering peace or a solution. You’re just suggesting what Neville chamberlain did and it delayed WW2 by months and years. It changes nothing
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:29 PM
No Putin is attacking.
You are sacrificing.
I am offering peace.
Im offering nato comes in and STOPS the war.
Not nato hangs back and keeps funneling money into it.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:31 PM
You’re not offering peace or a solution. You’re just suggesting what Neville chamberlain did and it delayed WW2 by months and years. It changes nothing
YOU say ONLY PUTIN started this war.
Putin is OLD
putin is not going to be in power forever..
we just have to last long enough for him to die
the people of russia do not want this war, when will you get that thruogh your thick skull.
We were progressing to a better world.
we WERE.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:32 PM
Unfortunately no one thinks rewarding murderous madmen is a constructive solution nor that such behavior should be rewarded with territory. We’re here because we did this with Moldova, chechnya, Georgia, and crimea
Time to call the revanchist midget’s bluff. If we do what you suggest it’ll be Estonia or Kazakhstan next if not the rest of Ukraine.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:34 PM
YOU say ONLY PUTIN started this war.
Putin is OLD
putin is not going to be in power forever..
we just have to last long enough for him to die
the people of russia do not want this war, when will you get that thruogh your thick skull.
We were progressing to a better world.
we WERE.
Capitalization doesn’t make you less wrong. Moldova, chechnya, Georgia, crimea
The pattern isn’t Joe Biden, it’s Russia sucks and no one but NATO can call their bluff
hth
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:35 PM
Well, you're opinions are the ones that the world is going with.
If you're wrong, I hope for once you admit that maybe you were a little too hopeful that living by the sword wont end with dying by the sword.
If you guys pull this off and change the world for the better, then that's great, I will feel shame for not being able to have faith in that.
I'm sorry I dont have faith in our greater moral superiority in this situation. I hope you guys are right.
You can be the hero's on the wall of voices of patriotic hero's that said that today would not be the day we go back into the night, but that today, is ukraine's INDEPENDANCE DAY!
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:35 PM
Capitalization doesn’t make you less wrong. Moldova, chechnya, Georgia, crimea
The pattern isn’t Joe Biden, it’s Russia sucks and no one but NATO can call their bluff
hth
I would not trade, the entire human race for those to be part of a soviet nato.
Lets hope you're right, since you and the (leftist) powers that be are.
Besides you said it yourself, this is ALL PUTIN, so all we had to do was wait for him to perish of all the cancers everyone says he is riddled with.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:37 PM
As long as you admit you’re suggesting nuclear blackmail means giving up all of the people in the former Soviet Union to being subjects of a new Russian empire
That’s what you’re suggesting. Not sure how you don’t see how stupid and wicked that is
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:39 PM
As long as you admit you’re suggesting nuclear blackmail means giving up all of the people in the former Soviet Union to being subjects of a new Russian empire
That’s what you’re suggesting. Not sure how you don’t see how stupid and wicked that is
Im suggesting that this idea of the revived russian empire is failing right now, and it was failing leading up to now, and that they are westerninsing more and more and the next generatino would have been totally incorperated into western society.
So no, im not saying what you say I am.
I dont believe that a soviet empire is realistic.
I believe a russia, with allies that are part of a soviet block that help russia compete on a global economic stage is not a "RUSSIAN EMPRIE" any more than our influence around the world is an American one.
and I also beleive that "the one man you say started all this" will be long, dead, and gone before the revived soviet empire could have ever come to reality, since it was an absolute SHAM leading up to this invasion.
FWIW, I think this is really about them having a fricking port.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 02:43 PM
You’re saying we give him parts of countries he wants because he’s scary midget with nukes
Either way, it doesn’t matter. We can’t force Ukrainians not to bomb them like they’re doing in melitopol. We can’t enforce peace. The Russians are fucked in Ukraine
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:45 PM
Yes, I am saying that is not worth forced mass suicide over.
This is geopolitics man, in like 50 years the world will be an entirely different set of borders, so long as we keep using violence to draw the lines.
I know this sounds fucked up, but in the USA more kids shoot each other in the face in a day, than the russian invasion would have had ukraine not put up such a fight.
I know it sounds fucked up, but saying, "I think everyone should cut their throats if russia wins this fight" is just not any better!
IDK Im ducking out of this because I feel like im throwing ukrain people under the buss, that im a putin simp, because I get this is a fucked up situation.
And all the tragedy has gotten everyone on edge. It sucks. I hope we can come out on top. I have faith we will. But this rhetoric, hope we change as a species and stop with it all together at some point.
I also want to live in mad max rather than pay taxes, so there's that too, it's really a win/win for me. But deep down, I like families and parks.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:52 PM
I also want to add, that I think deep down I think you guys are right, and that I am wrong. I am just hopelessly clinging to some futile wish that people would just lay down their swords.
MrSparkle001
10-07-2022, 02:58 PM
I also want to add, that I think deep down I think you guys are right, and that I am wrong. I am just hopelessly clinging to some futile wish that people would just lay down their swords.
That's not in our nature. This planet runs on violence. Nature is violent. We kill. Animals kill. Organisms kill. We all consume each other and hunt each other and show no mercy.
That is Planet Earth. It is a violent place.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 02:59 PM
My theory is it's the nature we are designed to overcome.
MrSparkle001
10-07-2022, 03:02 PM
We as humans have the capacity to overcome it, and sometimes do.
But peace through capitulation does not work. Not with a man like Putin. Ask Neville Chamberlain.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 03:10 PM
I think what ukraine did is amazing, and patriotic, and profound and increidble, and worth calling heroic.
But nuclear war?? We have to hit the breaks, and come to some sort of terms.
Is it really worth risking? Im the only pro end of life on this planet poster here really, ED is kind of down for it. Magna too..
But you all? You all are supposed to be the rational ones.
I agree we need de-escalation, and it seems there are no real attempts at doing that.
However, that doesn't mean conceding to Russia.
But we do need to slow down and take a few breaths here.
Russia would probably ease off if they had access to warm water ports. Them being blocked off from the Black Sea would be catastrophic for them.
Rethalis
10-07-2022, 03:17 PM
We should be drilling and producing energy for western Europe instead of hamstringing people on a knife edge for virtue signal points. We have a prime opportunity to strengthen the usa but yet would rather strengthen our enemies that hate us. We could be leaving Russia and China in the dust building the usa so we can sever ties on our terms and tank china's economy.
Basanos
10-07-2022, 03:23 PM
No, you are a fish. You flip flop for whomever the establishment media shills for.
Basanos is a libearl.Yeah but the parties flipped, or so you say
Liberals are now conservatives, which makes me a conservative, and you a liberal
Check
Mate
Basanos
10-07-2022, 03:26 PM
I am just hopelessly clinging to some futile wish that people would just lay down their swords.You're never gonna get there by embracing conservatives. What, do you think the executive teams behind weapons manufacturers care if it's D or R? Either or, they get their wars
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 03:27 PM
We should be drilling and producing energy for western Europe instead of hamstringing people on a knife edge for virtue signal points. We have a prime opportunity to strengthen the usa but yet would rather strengthen our enemies that hate us. We could be leaving Russia and China in the dust building the usa so we can sever ties on our terms and tank china's economy.
This is what a normal government would do if they cared about their own country.
Our leaders, however, are either horribly retarded or horribly corrupt and working against us.
There is no middle ground either. It's one of those options.
We could be energy independent ourselves AND ship surplus oil across the Atlantic and serve all of Europe easily.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 03:27 PM
We should be drilling and producing energy for western Europe instead of hamstringing people on a knife edge for virtue signal points. We have a prime opportunity to strengthen the usa but yet would rather strengthen our enemies that hate us. We could be leaving Russia and China in the dust building the usa so we can sever ties on our terms and tank china's economy.
We’re extracting everything we can from the Permian basin
$90 a barrel is near break even price for a lot of the stuff we’ve yet to drill for
HOWEVER, keystone XL and Canada’s oil and gas needs to be coming to the gulf where it can be refined and shipped to Europe through LNG terminals in Poland and Spain
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 03:28 PM
This is what a normal government would do if they cared about their own country.
Our leaders, however, are either horribly retarded or horribly corrupt and working against us.
There is no middle ground either. It's one of those options.
We could be energy independent ourselves AND ship surplus oil across the Atlantic and serve all of Europe easily.
False, North America sure but not the US
Our break even price is high for a lot of our remaining hydrocarbons
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 03:29 PM
You're never gonna get there by embracing conservatives. What, do you think the executive teams behind weapons manufacturers care if it's D or R? Either or, they get their wars
And what are the Democrats doing about things right now?
Face it, they both love the war machine.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 03:31 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2022/07/28/new-oil-power-guyana-on-pace-to-surpass-us-offshore-by-2035/amp/
Fun fact: Tajikistan has as much oil as Scotland. There is so much oil out there that’s easier to get to than what we’re not already drilling for
Basanos
10-07-2022, 03:31 PM
And what are the Democrats doing about things right now?
Face it, they both love the war machine.Uh if you read carefully... this is exactly what I was saying...
I just reserve 1% more hatred for conservatives because of their bad social beliefs I guess
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 03:32 PM
False, North America sure but not the US
Our break even price is high for a lot of our remaining hydrocarbons
Well if we pushed our production (and we were allowed to drill and lay pipe everywhere...heh) we could get close, right?
I'm not talking about our current production. If we took our foot off the brake.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 03:33 PM
Uh if you read carefully... this is exactly what I was saying...
I just reserve 1% more hatred for conservatives because of their bad social beliefs I guess
Oh I forgot. You consider Democrats conservatives. Sorry.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 03:34 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2022/07/28/new-oil-power-guyana-on-pace-to-surpass-us-offshore-by-2035/amp/
Fun fact: Tajikistan has as much oil as Scotland. There is so much oil out there that’s easier to get to than what we’re not already drilling for
Start up the helicopters, boys. We got a small nation to invade!
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 03:35 PM
Well if we pushed our production (and we were allowed to drill and lay pipe everywhere...heh) we could get close, right?
I'm not talking about our current production. If we took our foot off the brake.
If we drilled for all of our oil we’d push the price below breakeven and make it not profitable to drill, which is what I was saying
WTI is $90 a barrel today
Keystone XL is the smartest / best / most economical policy for North American energy independence. BY FAR the dumbest thing Joe Biden has done was shutting that down. 2nd dumbest is the border
Edit: I haven’t been in oil for 6 years and not in deep water for a decade, so I asked a friend about this. Breakeven in deep water in the gulf is about $50. He told me Biden is a problem, but also majors are skittish and worried about economic collapse so as not to be left holding the bag when commodities prices tank. He wasn’t sure if we’d be drilling even if the government were issuing new permits
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 03:49 PM
Start up the helicopters, boys. We got a small nation to invade!
We’re extracting Guyana’s and China will get Tajikistan’s
Honestly, if someone installs me as dictator of Iran that would solve global energy issues
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 04:10 PM
Honestly, if someone installs me as dictator of Iran that would solve global energy issues
I'd do it.
I would trust in your leadership.
Bring Persia back to a Golden Age.
Reiwa
10-07-2022, 05:33 PM
Are the last 10 pages worth reading? Anything funny said?
Reiwa
10-07-2022, 05:39 PM
If we drilled for all of our oil we’d push the price below breakeven and make it not profitable to drill, which is what I was saying
Obama screwed them that way so now they're screwing back.
Encroaching Death
10-07-2022, 06:06 PM
Are the last 10 pages worth reading? Anything funny said?
Read it.
DO IT.
Rethalis
10-07-2022, 07:44 PM
We’re extracting everything we can from the Permian basin
$90 a barrel is near break even price for a lot of the stuff we’ve yet to drill for
HOWEVER, keystone XL and Canada’s oil and gas needs to be coming to the gulf where it can be refined and shipped to Europe through LNG terminals in Poland and Spain
not just crude, natural gas too, the whole nine. Should be increasing all avenues of energy. We still have enough coal for the next 100 years for usa needs if push ever came to shove. Imagine if germany and europe was using our natural gas instead of coal right now.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 07:52 PM
We're selling the reserves.
Just accept it, yall are gonna die.
I bet you refuse to buy freeze dried food still.
Basanos
10-07-2022, 08:53 PM
I have several large buckets of freeze dried food so that I can feed the conservatives that break into my house and murder me after the fascist overthrow
Plus the aforementioned melee weapons, hopefully they’ll make it quick but I dunno, when they find my copy of Das Kapital I hope I am already dead
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 09:06 PM
If the fascist republican over throw, happens after the global nuclear war and economic collapse that the democrat were in charge of, is it the republicans fault?
Basanos
10-07-2022, 09:33 PM
No, it's the conservative's fault. They have tentacles in both of those parties.
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 09:47 PM
For that to be true the tentacles are the party leadership of the DNC.
Kaveh
10-07-2022, 10:42 PM
If the fascist republican over throw, happens after the global nuclear war and economic collapse that the democrat were in charge of, is it the republicans fault?
Nope, still Putin’s
Jibartik
10-07-2022, 10:57 PM
But bullies are embolden by weak men, correct?
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 12:57 AM
Putin’s fault 100%
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 01:02 AM
Shipping American energy across the Atlantic is a fantasy only entertained by retarded hillbillies. No vessel exists or can exist to make it not cost more than it's worth.
Do better y'all.
Rethalis
10-08-2022, 01:05 AM
Shipping American energy across the Atlantic is a fantasy only entertained by retarded hillbillies. No vessel exists or can exist to make it not cost more than it's worth.
Do better y'all.
oil tankers disagree
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 01:07 AM
It would definitely be more effective to connect Spain to France in pipeline networks and then connect Qatar’s gas to pipelines across North Africa
That would be cheaper than shipping LNG long term
The Saudis let the price drop to take down shale producers and many are weary / were bankrupted so it’s not as easy as “put our foot on the gas”
Botten
10-08-2022, 01:08 AM
But bullies are embolden by weak men, correct?
-Remember that guy that pulled out of Syria when his own party told him it was a bad idea.
-Remember when we left 70,000 Allies to die.
-Remember when we let a foreign country wreck one of our military base and cause brain damage to our troops and did nothing about it?
-Remember when we had a President that covered up the cold blooded murder of an American resident journalist by a crown prince of another country. And recently admit to it.
-Remember when we had a President who groveled to a foreign power and agreed with *him over his CIA intel on National TV ( only to back track on it all later-weak)
-Remember when we had a President who asked another foreign power (China) on National TV to investigate his political rival.
-Remember when we had a lead who inspired a mob of his own supporters to storm the capital, while their battle cry was to kill their OWN parties VP.
-Remember when we had an administration who cleared the streets with anti-riot gas and more to get a photo op of him signing a Bible in front of a church?
-Remember when the past president called Covid all a hoax of the democrats and it would all be gone in a week?
-Remember when the President was pushing Doxycycline because he got a cut on the profits.
-Remember when our President sold out to advertise… literally a bean company in the White House.
-Remember when our president tweeted he never wasn’t stricken with mini strokes when NO one claimed he did.
-Remember when our strong president could not close an umbrella getting on to a plane and left it; needed two hands to drink water from a glass, needed help down a ramp and LOL had toilet paper attached to his foot on the way on to a plane.
-Remember when we had a President settling on payments to a porn star that he had sex with while his wife was pregnant.
-Remember when our previous president’s administration used the funds from his build a wall foundation for personal enrichment.
Stared at the sun, thought we could inject disinfectant and ultraviolet light into the body, could nuke hurricanes …etc etc
magnetaress
10-08-2022, 01:09 AM
Shipping American energy across the Atlantic is a fantasy only entertained by retarded hillbillies. No vessel exists or can exist to make it not cost more than it's worth.
Do better y'all.
If a twinky has a ton of energy in it than a cement brick has even more
u can ship lots of energy across the atlantic
and if u have slaves to carry those bricks up a big hill u are even more gtg
pzaQjS1JstY
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 01:11 AM
oil tankers disagree
To be refined into energy where in Europe, retard?
I'm counting finished energy. They have shitty refinement facilities because Euros is commies.
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 01:13 AM
LNG is the question, not oil
You’re both retarded. Spain and Poland have LNG terminals as does Lithuania. More are coming on line. The question is can shale producers remain in business. That’s not easy to answer during a recession
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 01:15 AM
The question is can shale producers remain in business. That’s not easy to answer during a recession
Canada deserves its punishment for abusing its own peoples.
The answer is no.
Rethalis
10-08-2022, 01:15 AM
To be refined into energy where in Europe, retard?
I'm counting finished energy. They have shitty refinement facilities because Euros is commies.
Oil tankers still exist.
magnetaress
10-08-2022, 01:16 AM
LNG powered mecha could tranport all their energy to the commies
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 01:17 AM
You really think you can ship enough LNG(L something natural gas) across the Atlantic to perpetually sustain Europe at a reasonable price point?
I wish you luck.
magnetaress
10-08-2022, 01:18 AM
it is a dumb idea (LNG) lawl especially for anything like grid power or something like that or sending around motorbotes
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 01:20 AM
You really think you can ship enough LNG(L something natural gas) across the Atlantic to perpetually sustain Europe at a reasonable price point?
I wish you luck.
No, the pipelines need to connect to North Africa and the Middle East. Have to bypass Turkey and Russia because they’re both shitheads
LNG is a stopgap for a couple years. Europe is fucked, LNG helps
Hth
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 01:21 AM
Oil tankers still exist.
As do a million other products that are not reasonable sources of energy. Shall we burn our shirts too?
I thought you were smarter.
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 01:23 AM
No, the pipelines need to connect to North Africa and the Middle East. Have to bypass Turkey and Russia because they’re both shitheads
LNG is a stopgap for a couple years. Europe is fucked, LNG helps
Hth
Oh my god just say that then. I'll go for it if it's temporary.
I thought you guys were pretending it's a real idea that could work long term.
MEA CULPA
Elizondo
10-08-2022, 01:25 AM
Kaveh getting dragged into yet another ambiguous rabbit hole about nothing
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 01:28 AM
Kaveh getting dragged into yet another ambiguous rabbit hole about nothing
10 points to Hufflepuff. :rolleyes:
magnetaress
10-08-2022, 01:30 AM
*claps for big smart Riewa*
Rethalis
10-08-2022, 01:30 AM
As do a million other products that are not reasonable sources of energy. Shall we burn our shirts too?
I thought you were smarter.
We are exporting lng to Europe, in tankers. Are we giving it away for free?
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 01:34 AM
We are exporting lng to Europe, in tankers. Are we giving it away for free?
Leaving something on the table I think, yes. Not all of it.
Jibartik
10-08-2022, 01:44 AM
I think if a nuke goes off you can count on a us civil war.
This is madness.
magnetaress
10-08-2022, 01:45 AM
All science fi books have at least one us city dying to a nuke from terrorism
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 01:46 AM
Kaveh getting dragged into yet another ambiguous rabbit hole about nothing
Got me there
Elizondo
10-08-2022, 01:48 AM
Got me there
I wasn't trying to 'get you'
By all means, continue to waste your time with him while he tap dances around you with ambiguous nothings
magnetaress
10-08-2022, 01:48 AM
Doesn't like Greenland have tons of geothermal energy to export? Just dip something in that lava and get gas from there.
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 01:48 AM
All science fi books have at least one us city dying to a nuke from terrorism
It’s gonna be that plant in Ukraine. Putin will for sure blow that up before using a nuke
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 01:49 AM
I wasn't trying to 'get you'
By all means, continue to waste your time with him while he tap dances around you with ambiguous nothings
I was saying you’re right buddy
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 01:50 AM
I wasn't trying to 'get you'
By all means, continue to waste your time with him while he tap dances around you with ambiguous nothings
How is it an ambiguous nothing to say transporting finished energy thousands of miles by sea costs a shitton more than using a pipeline located much closer nearby?
Dumb and pussysore, my good chum.
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 01:51 AM
How is it an ambiguous nothing to say transporting finished energy thousands of miles by sea costs a shitton more than using a pipeline located much closer?
Dumb and pussysore, my good chum.
No shit man but Russia isn’t a reliable supplier heheheheh
Jibartik
10-08-2022, 01:53 AM
Shipping American energy across the Atlantic is a fantasy only entertained by retarded hillbillies. No vessel exists or can exist to make it not cost more than it's worth.
Do better y'all.
U.S. crude exports averaged 3.7 million barrels per day and sends the majority of its crude - about 1.4 million bpd - to Europe, around 1 million bpd to Asia.
Analysts say the U.S. Gulf could export roughly 5 million bpd; any more than that would cause substantial congestion in shipping channels, Smith said. However, that would also require an increase in U.S. production.
That's plenty to pay for healthcare, education and whatever else we need the goverment to without collecting 1 red cent of federal taxes ever again. Or until we become a type 2 society.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/can-us-port-infrastructure-handle-more-crude-exports-2022-07-20/
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 01:54 AM
U.S. crude exports averaged 3.7 million barrels per day and sends the majority of its crude - about 1.4 million bpd - to Europe, around 1 million bpd to Asia.
Analysts say the U.S. Gulf could export roughly 5 million bpd; any more than that would cause substantial congestion in shipping channels, Smith said. However, that would also require an increase in U.S. production.
That's plenty to pay for healthcare, education and whatever else we need the goverment to without collecting 1 red cent of federal taxes ever again. Or until we become a type 2 society.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/can-us-port-infrastructure-handle-more-crude-exports-2022-07-20/
Crude post.
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 01:54 AM
U.S. crude exports averaged 3.7 million barrels per day and sends the majority of its crude - about 1.4 million bpd - to Europe, around 1 million bpd to Asia.
Analysts say the U.S. Gulf could export roughly 5 million bpd; any more than that would cause substantial congestion in shipping channels, Smith said. However, that would also require an increase in U.S. production.
That's plenty to pay for healthcare, education and whatever else we need the goverment to without collecting 1 red cent of federal taxes ever again. Or until we become a type 2 society.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/can-us-port-infrastructure-handle-more-crude-exports-2022-07-20/
Keystone XL and refine Canadian oil in the gulf
Everyone wins
Elizondo
10-08-2022, 01:55 AM
How is it an ambiguous nothing to say transporting finished energy thousands of miles by sea costs a shitton more than using a pipeline located much closer nearby?
Dumb and pussysore, my good chum.
We had this exact same conversation a few months back
Apparently you have a poor memory
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 01:57 AM
This whole Ukraine thread is the same argument over and over again every time Putin says something scary
Russia probably wins long run without a nuke. The world isn’t fair
Jibartik
10-08-2022, 01:57 AM
Keystone XL and refine Canadian oil in the gulf
Everyone wins
Any idea what that nets us?
magnetaress
10-08-2022, 01:57 AM
It’s gonna be that plant in Ukraine. Putin will for sure blow that up before using a nuke
That'd be a great pain for Europe. They (Russia) let UN inspectors in tho who basically whined to make it look like they where doing something to save face and SpaceX is launching cosmonauts even after starkink. So uhm unless the Ukrainians win its not gonna get blown. And the whole point of the invasion was to exterminate Ukrainian independence. Either way they lose and are done for as a free ppl if they join NATO they're colonized by Satan and 5 eyes with just like one fake vote in the global senate and if they are enslaved by Russia they are also strip mined and kept in poverty with no real say in global matters.
Ukraine is dead. I mourned the loss of their autonomy and independence already. Ukrainian ID will conform to international standards just like everyone else does. And all those pesky mountain men willing to till potatoes and wheat with tanks will die off on soy imports while the rich take all their grain for $80 a loaf specialty bread. During the bug eating famines.
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 01:58 AM
We had this exact same conversation a few months back
Apparently you have a poor memory
And you said the same dumb thing. More than one person can be dumb, ok snowflake?
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 01:59 AM
Any idea what that nets us?
We make money for oil we refine and ship
Do I have exact numbers? No. But that’s the easier North American hydrocarbon source to ramp up. Offshore and shale in west Texas aren’t as easy as you guys assume when you say “put your foot on the gas”
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 01:59 AM
Keystone XL and refine Canadian oil in the gulf
Everyone wins
Canadian sour oil. Yuck! 🤮
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 02:01 AM
Does Europe have the refinery capacity to utilize our crude shipments?
Press X to doubt
Elizondo
10-08-2022, 02:01 AM
And you said the same dumb thing. More than one person can be dumb, ok snowflake?
blah blah blah
You're just posting nonsense
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 02:02 AM
Biden is wrong on energy poke
These guys are wrong on the details but yeah, we should be doing as much as we can right now
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 02:02 AM
blah blah blah
You're just posting nonsense
You're basically illiterate if you can't follow this discussion
Elizondo
10-08-2022, 02:04 AM
You're basically illiterate if you can't follow this discussion
You're just posting nonsense
Ambiguous one liners. Anyone engaging with you is just following rabbit holes that lead nowhere.
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 02:05 AM
We’re never gonna nationalize oil, and Houston is a growing city in a growing state so no, that money does much more than 35 jobs
Edit: Goober deleted the post
Goldknyght
10-08-2022, 02:07 AM
you guys are idiots, lets just say yes Ukraine does back russia, put urself back in 1962 and cuba has fought back the united states. what do you think is about to happen? dont be morons when u think about that question
Jibartik
10-08-2022, 02:07 AM
We make money for oil we refine and ship
Do I have exact numbers? No. But that’s the easier North American hydrocarbon source to ramp up. Offshore and shale in west Texas aren’t as easy as you guys assume when you say “put your foot on the gas”
Keystone XL offered to provide up to 34k jobs, but what those were were short term contracts, as construction moved through the country. The pipeline only required 2000 active jobs, and 2 years of construction, after it would require a managment staff of 35 workers.
That's what the keystone XL would have netted us.
That's it.
We didn't get a cut of the oil that went through it, that's all private money.
It was a jobs endevor on the political front.
It also would have affected the global oil production by less than 1% iirc. Which would have had no net effect on the price of gas.
We’re never gonna nationalize oil, and Houston is a growing city in a growing state so no, that money does much more than 35 jobs
Edit: Goober deleted the post
(I felt I was being too antagonistic and wanted to take it down a notch)
Sorry about the swamp thing... Ill be in my office!
And you're right, WE wont ever nationalize the oil, but America 2 might.
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 02:08 AM
You're just posting nonsense
Ambiguous one liners. Anyone engaging with you is just following rabbit holes that lead nowhere.
No u
Others seem to follow it just fine.
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 02:10 AM
you guys are idiots, lets just say yes Ukraine does back russia, put urself back in 1962 and cuba has fought back the united states. what do you think is about to happen? dont be morons when u think about that question
I, too, remember when we annexed Cuba
Elizondo
10-08-2022, 02:10 AM
No u
Others seem to follow it just fine.
Others are taking the bait
They'll learn in time
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 02:11 AM
Keystone XL offered to provide up to 34k jobs, but what those were were short term contracts, as construction moved through the country. The pipeline only required 2000 active jobs, and 2 years of construction, after it would require a managment staff of 35 workers.
That's what the keystone XL would have netted us.
That's it.
We didn't get a cut of the oil that went through it, that's all private money.
It was a jobs endevor on the political front.
It also would have affected the global oil production by less than 1% iirc. Which would have had no net effect on the price of gas.
(I felt I was being too antagonistic and wanted to take it down a notch)
Sorry about the swamp thing... Ill be in my office!
And you're right, WE wont ever nationalize the oil, but America 2 might.
That’s the world we live in. I’m talking about lowering gas prices and keeping europe from freezing. I’m not talking about nationalizing resources which we will never do
Jibartik
10-08-2022, 02:12 AM
yea at this point we need keystone XL
To bad that's raycist.
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 02:12 AM
Others are taking the bait
They'll learn in time
Doubtful. You haven't learned anything.
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 02:14 AM
Doubtful. You haven't learned anything.
Can you buy me a Subaru Forester wilderness? I’ll fly down and drive it back to alaska. My tundra gets 10 mpg
Elizondo
10-08-2022, 02:18 AM
Doubtful. You haven't learned anything.
Elaborate
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 02:21 AM
Elaborate
https://i.imgflip.com/45eo1u.png
Elizondo
10-08-2022, 02:24 AM
19079
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 02:25 AM
Bridge connecting crimea to Russia hit by car bomb and non-rail traffic closed
Damn the Ukrainians are gonna go for crimea
Jibartik
10-08-2022, 02:27 AM
people in the world war 3 thread:
"Do not damage the oil and the wine!"
Reiwa
10-08-2022, 02:28 AM
LEARN
It's fun, even kids can do it!
If you would just learn, you'd understand the world is more complicated than the ecclestiastes of your atheist MAGA ideology.
LEARN
Jibartik
10-08-2022, 02:30 AM
“Brothers will turn against their own brothers"
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 02:30 AM
people in the world war 3 thread:
"Do not damage the oil and the wine!"
The Ukrainians are probably gonna conquer Iran in retaliation for selling those drones
Jibartik
10-08-2022, 02:31 AM
I think iran is going to have a revolution.
Kaveh
10-08-2022, 02:34 AM
I’ve heard that too many times before to get my hopes up
unsunghero
10-08-2022, 02:42 AM
https://i.ibb.co/V3g5JXS/F36-F2350-2-CE3-4158-A5-F2-492-A6553-D772.gif (https://imgbb.com/)
unsunghero
10-08-2022, 03:07 AM
,,,
magnetaress
10-08-2022, 09:07 AM
,,,
thats racist but also very fucking funny
MrSparkle001
10-08-2022, 11:26 AM
Bridge connecting crimea to Russia hit by car bomb and non-rail traffic closed
Damn the Ukrainians are gonna go for crimea
Will the Crimean Bridge be destroyed if Crimea returns to Ukraine? (https://www.quora.com/Will-the-Crimean-Bridge-be-destroyed-if-Crimea-returns-to-Ukraine)
https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-10/221008-train-fire-ha-3856f7.jpg
Encroaching Death
10-08-2022, 12:07 PM
Russia has an issue on its hands...
https://cdn.wionews.com/sites/default/files/styles/story_page/public/2022/10/08/302187-untitled-design-52.png
Encroaching Death
10-08-2022, 12:09 PM
This is probably bigger news than most people realize.
This bridge was supplying the southern front.
Russia better hope it was stockpiling goods in Crimea.
But even if it was, the clock is ticking...
Jibartik
10-09-2022, 01:21 AM
Trump Blames U.S. for 'Almost Forcing' Putin to Invade Ukraine (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-blames-us-almost-forcing-putin-invade-ukraine-1750145)
My man.
Kaveh
10-09-2022, 01:31 AM
This is probably bigger news than most people realize.
This bridge was supplying the southern front.
Russia better hope it was stockpiling goods in Crimea.
But even if it was, the clock is ticking...
It’s huge news. It took what, 3 years and Chinese help to build it? Russia can’t even build that bridge
Reiwa
10-09-2022, 12:27 PM
This is probably bigger news than most people realize.
This bridge was supplying the southern front.
Russia better hope it was stockpiling goods in Crimea.
But even if it was, the clock is ticking...
Why can't Russia supply by sea? 💩
Jibartik
10-09-2022, 01:12 PM
“Our understanding is that Mr. Putin wants to have a new grand bargain, a new deal with the West,” the spokesperson said. (https://news.yahoo.com/putin-wants-grand-bargain-west-160100422.html)
A new capitol center for the district perhaps? :o
https://i.imgur.com/bmeL5n0.png
Jibartik
10-09-2022, 01:13 PM
It’s huge news. It took what, 3 years and Chinese help to build it? Russia can’t even build that bridge
A guy Fareed Zakaria was interviewing on CNN 4 minuets ago said that the bridge will be an easy repair, but it was damaging politically.
Jibartik
10-09-2022, 02:21 PM
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