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Trexller
02-04-2023, 08:59 PM
Poland inked a deal for 1000 Korean main battle tanks. If Ukraine survives a couple more years, the poles are gonna roll in and re-write Poltava
ukraine won't be going anywhere, they'll "win" this conflict by retaking crimea, kherson, and zaporizhia but will concede the pro-russian territories within donetsk and luhansk.
1000 MBTs for poland huh? is that over 5 years or 20?
with that quantity, they intend to distribute them to other allies
its a good idea for the poles to do this, they are historically the battlefield for every northern europe conflict.
they're gonna shore up their eastern border and put the squeeze on the kaliningrad oblast
aussenseiter
02-04-2023, 10:05 PM
Poland inked a deal for 1000 Korean main battle tanks. If Ukraine survives a couple more years, the poles are gonna roll in and re-write Poltava
My question is how come only Arabs get export Abrams instead of better countries?
Trexller
02-04-2023, 10:12 PM
My question is how come only Arabs get export Abrams instead of better countries?
leopard and abrams are very similar, they were designed in parallel back in the 80s, then US and germany diverged to design an MBT that suited their particular needs. south korea's K2 MBT is a beastly machine as well.
abrams tanks get delivered to arab allies, to protect oil assets. the US is the one providing these assets, we aren't going to buy german tanks, or korean tanks when we could keep those dollars in our own economy by purchasing new abrams tanks to replace the ones we have "donated" when it comes to big military hardware assistance, you never give away your new stuff, you use it as an opportunity to funnel more money to your defense contractors.
other allied nations don't need to buy abrams tanks, when they have other options alot closer to home.
aussenseiter
02-04-2023, 10:32 PM
leopard
holy shit it can swim!
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That's gonna be pretty useful in the swamps of the Slavic homeland.
Trexller
02-04-2023, 10:39 PM
holy shit it can swim!
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That's gonna be pretty useful in the swamps of the Slavic homeland.
for sure it will be
just too bad that the ukrainians won't be able to field modern MBTs in the numbers require to make a real difference
it's like all NATO is doing is just enough to keep ukraine alive, but not enough to make them strong. 20 leopard tanks is helpful, but its also a joke. too little too late. nobody is gonna push the soviets out of crimea with 20 modern tanks.
there's gotta be some other business going on, like NATO still doesn't trust ukraine or something, because Putin can rattle his saber all he wants, he'll never ever use a nuclear weapon, because the last thing Putin is, is stupid.
all that fearmongering nuke talk is just for the benefit of the world stage and media clickbait.
if you're gonna use a nuke in a fight, that will be the end of you. you will then have to fight the entire planet at once.
Jobaber
02-04-2023, 10:48 PM
A wild Leopard 2 appears.
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Jobaber
02-09-2023, 08:28 PM
Now Russia lost an active helicopter to artillary.
They lost a tank crew to drowning.
And a ship in a land war.
A lot of firsts with this war.
Encroaching Death
02-09-2023, 09:18 PM
Now Russia lost an active helicopter to artillary.
Like a Battlefield 4 highlight video.
Speaking of which, I hope there's a video of this.
I saw one the other day where a Russian soldier was pulling an injured comrade away and his arm popped off.
Jobaber
02-09-2023, 09:31 PM
Like a Battlefield 4 highlight video.
Speaking of which, I hope there's a video of this.
:D
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1623742529211363328?s=20
aussenseiter
02-09-2023, 09:48 PM
The greatest trick the WEF ever pulled was convincing the world that Ukraine was a shithole because of Holy Russia's limited military intervention.
Trexller
02-09-2023, 09:54 PM
The greatest trick the WEF ever pulled was convincing the world that Ukraine was a shithole because of Holy Russia's limited military intervention.
no its not. not even close.
bullshit like that is breakfast for the WEF
aussenseiter
02-10-2023, 12:02 PM
The country's budget deficit ballooned to $45 billion last year, or 2.3% of its gross domestic product. (https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/10/energy/russia-oil-output-cut)
Encroaching Death
02-10-2023, 12:08 PM
Worried about the Krasna Hora pocket...
Jobaber
02-10-2023, 01:27 PM
45 billion is like what the 1% spends on breakfast.
MrSparkle001
02-10-2023, 02:10 PM
Putin launches nukes in defeat when?
Encroaching Death
02-10-2023, 02:51 PM
It feels like this war should shit or get off the pot.
Only because I want to know who will win and I'm tired of thinking about it.
So please hurry up with your war because you guys are stressing me out.
Thank you.
Jobaber
02-10-2023, 06:54 PM
Putin launches nukes in defeat when?
2025
Kaveh
02-10-2023, 10:59 PM
My question is how come only Arabs get export Abrams instead of better countries?
Because only the US has the logistical capability to supply and abrams force but well sell the Arabs anything because they are morons and it wouldn’t matter anyway
Trexller
02-10-2023, 11:04 PM
Because only the US has the logistical capability to supply and abrams force but well sell the Arabs anything because they are morons and it wouldn’t matter anyway
thats a good point, desert environments are rough on everything
lol. imagine iran invades saudi arabia, and finds them in a state like the russian army, they have thousands of tanks but never maintained them and now they don't work.
i have heard things suggesting that the saudis don't maintain equipment like the US does, sometimes they don't care, other times they had a disagreement with a contractor and didn't hire another one for 2 years, meanwhile all the seals and gaskets cracked on some equipment, i think it was bradley IFVs
Jobaber
02-11-2023, 12:12 AM
i have heard things suggesting that the saudis don't maintain equipment like the US does, sometimes they don't care, other times they had a disagreement with a contractor and didn't hire another one for 2 years, meanwhile all the seals and gaskets cracked on some equipment, i think it was bradley IFVs
idk about the saudis but the Iranians still have their phantoms!
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Trexller
02-11-2023, 12:17 AM
idk about the saudis but the Iranians still have their phantoms!
lol yeah, the US won't sell F-14s, or parts to anyone on earth because they could end up repairing iran's grounded F-14 fleet
F-4 phantom was a really good jet for its day, and would not entirely suck in a modern dog fight, but the iranians don't have any modern upgrades
Jobaber
02-11-2023, 12:30 AM
this war in ukraine seems to imply that unless you have the full force of the american military behind you you cant fly much.
I dont understand why we were able to dominate the air in iraq and Afghanistan but russia cant keep anything up there.
Trexller
02-11-2023, 12:35 AM
unless you have the full force of the american military behind you you cant fly much.
https://i.imgur.com/SI481R6.gif
aussenseiter
02-11-2023, 12:37 AM
this war in ukraine seems to imply that unless you have the full force of the american military behind you you cant fly much.
I dont understand why we were able to dominate the air in iraq and Afghanistan but russia cant keep anything up there.
Holy Russia has air supremacy through their superior ground-to-air missile systems.
That or Ukraine just fucking sucks.
Kaveh
02-11-2023, 12:56 AM
Ukraine v Russia is a retard fight for sure
aussenseiter
02-11-2023, 01:15 AM
Ukraine v Russia is a retard fight for sure
https://i.imgur.com/trCKjPo.jpg
Trexller
02-11-2023, 01:28 AM
https://i.imgur.com/trCKjPo.jpg
uhm, no it can't, at least not easily...
the F-22 has excellent radar defeat properties, the pilot would have to make mistakes in his profile and then fail to correct them
there's a good reason why the U.S. military will sell ANYTHING except an F-22
aussenseiter
02-11-2023, 01:34 AM
uhm, no it can't, at least not easily...
the F-22 has excellent radar defeat properties, the pilot would have to make mistakes in his profile and then fail to correct them
there's a good reason why the U.S. military will sell ANYTHING except an F-22
What about an s-400?
I chose 300 because Ukraine has those. So it's like a automatic no fly zone for shitty Russian aircraft.
Jobaber
02-11-2023, 01:36 AM
idk why they dont just try a nuke out at this point
Trexller
02-11-2023, 01:43 AM
What about an s-400?
I chose 300 because Ukraine has those. So it's like a automatic no fly zone for shitty Russian aircraft.
yeah the krain's have all the old soviet tech, and russia hasn't really updated its gear and systems, so those S-300s can keep the skies clear.
info on full capabilites of S-400 is still unclear. "Stealth" aircraft aren't immune to radar, its a misnomer because it sounds cool.
They are a combination of systems, materials and tactics that make an aircraft "stealth"
stuff like radar absorption, radar reflection, aircraft characteristics, electromagnetic interference and flight profile altogether contribute to radar defeat, making a "stealth" aircraft.
So any anti-aircraft system reliant on high frequency radar to target an aircraft, is gonna have trouble with any of the 5th+ gen fighters.
unless the russians came up with some ground breaking new sensor tech, then the S-400 is just a faster version of the S-300, which I doubt, because the S-300 system kept generals awake at night back in the 80s, and since then every aircraft we developed has been "Stealth"
aussenseiter
02-11-2023, 01:51 AM
yeah the krain's have all the old soviet tech, and russia hasn't really updated its gear and systems, so those S-300s can keep the skies clear.
info on full capabilites of S-400 is still unclear. "Stealth" aircraft aren't immune to radar, its a misnomer because it sounds cool.
They are a combination of systems, materials and tactics that make an aircraft "stealth"
stuff like radar absorption, radar reflection, aircraft characteristics, electromagnetic interference and flight profile altogether contribute to radar defeat, making a "stealth" aircraft.
So any anti-aircraft system reliant on high frequency radar to target an aircraft, is gonna have trouble with any of the 5th+ gen fighters.
unless the russians came up with some ground breaking new sensor tech, then the S-400 is just a faster version of the S-300, which I doubt, because the S-300 system kept generals awake at night back in the 80s, and since then every aircraft we developed has been "Stealth"
It said something about low-band radar so I googled it and found this
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/could-low-frequency-radars-become-f-35-and-f-22s-achilles-heel-158151
We going orcs vs humans again innit? Gimme my tin hat!
Jobaber
02-11-2023, 02:51 AM
Putin launches nukes in defeat when?
Hmm if the dmeocrats are right about trump 2024 they are gonna make him start a civil war and then they can pound europe while we busy.
Kaveh
02-11-2023, 04:26 AM
What about an s-400?
I chose 300 because Ukraine has those. So it's like a automatic no fly zone for shitty Russian aircraft.
Nah, Turkey bought s-400 and they are among the dumbest people alive
Trexller
02-11-2023, 07:51 PM
It said something about low-band radar so I googled it and found this
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/could-low-frequency-radars-become-f-35-and-f-22s-achilles-heel-158151
We going orcs vs humans again innit? Gimme my tin hat!
yeah theoretically low frequency radar could target a plane, AFAIK the sensor tech that currently exists still just makes a giant blurry blotch on radar bc the waves return to the source too far apart to appear to be a clear lock. so the missile you fire will just fly itself to a large region of sky, not like a pinpointed location provided by high frequency radar
most AAs don't track a plane like a shooter does to a clay pigeon, it predicts where the plane is gonna be at a certain time, flies to that location and detonates to damage the plane with shrapnel.
the giant blurry blotch provided by low frequency rader could be dozens or hundreds of miles across, vastly reducing the chance of a kill shot
eventually someone will come up with a method to resolve a pinpoint target from low frequency radar of course, I figure with hypersonic tech being prevalent in news that stealth aircraft may not matter much longer, because if a missile is coming at you with speeds like 7,500 MPH, then tracking it on radar won't matter because by the time you know its there, it has already hit.
the attacker/defender pendulum has been swinging back and forth from the dawn of man and will continue until we wipe ourselves out.
Trexller
02-16-2023, 09:44 PM
I just stumbled across a pretty good video that sums up anti-air radar vs. stealth jets
more specifically, the S-400 system vs. US stealth jets
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Jobaber
02-19-2023, 04:06 AM
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It feels like this war should shit or get off the pot.
Only because I want to know who will win and I'm tired of thinking about it.
So please hurry up with your war because you guys are stressing me out.
Thank you.
it's due to weather apparently, unseasonably warm over there so muddy. shit gonna get real again soon don't worry
actually worry, we should all worry honestly... fucking idiots in charge everywhere
Jobaber
02-19-2023, 01:30 PM
actually worry, we should all worry honestly... fucking idiots in charge everywhere
Im sure this will all blow over, it's not like the USA is firing missiles at things it says are Chinese attacks.
Botten
02-19-2023, 10:05 PM
Hmm if the dmeocrats are right about trump 2024 they are gonna make him start a civil war and then they can pound europe while we busy.
Jib Trump doesn't have a chance at 2024. Remember GOP voters don't like losers.
Also
GOP is now slowly giving up the simp to Russia now that the money has dried up.
Top House Republicans call on Biden to increase military support for Ukraine (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/19/politics/mike-turner-mike-mccaul-ukraine-military-cnntv/)
And this:
Sen. Graham pushes for F-16s to Ukraine as US declares Russian actions 'crimes against humanity' (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/19/politics/mike-turner-mike-mccaul-ukraine-military-cnntv/)
Meanwhile Trump and MTG are still praising Russia. MAGA is just a failing movement.
Jobaber
02-19-2023, 10:10 PM
immediately after your horrible movements 8 year war on trump began to look like it came to an end, the GOP went right back to talking about cutting social security.
Finally the world is back to the way you want it.
(little do you know a god damn holy war is coming)
Trexller
02-19-2023, 10:11 PM
at least now you understand why those Javelins were so important back in '21
Trexller
02-19-2023, 10:12 PM
(little do you know a god damn holy war is coming)
not fast enough!
Botten
02-19-2023, 10:34 PM
immediately after your horrible movements 8 year war on trump began to look like it came to an end, the GOP went right back to talking about cutting social security.
Finally the world is back to the way you want it.
(little do you know a god damn holy war is coming)
Call your nurse to where you are playing on the community computer in your home's common area.
I want you to know, you can live out the rest of your boomer life and you won't see another republican president.
It is over thank god for the educated youth. They may be in debt forever. But more educated tend for progressive leaders.
Jobaber
02-20-2023, 12:55 AM
I know you hate the elderly, you want us to spend so much we cant afford to pay for them anymore.
Jobaber
02-20-2023, 01:17 AM
After russia is destroyed the reconstruction before the antichrist will be lit
https://www.newmurabba.com/
Trexller
02-20-2023, 01:20 AM
After russia is destroyed the reconstruction before the antichrist will be lit
https://www.newmurabba.com/
how is russia preventing the saudis from starting another weird city project but never finishing it
Jobaber
02-20-2023, 01:23 AM
https://i.imgur.com/Qevknwj.gif
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how is russia preventing the saudis from starting another weird city project but never finishing it
oh after ww3 we're going to unite and rebuild into some gigantic (ai ruled?) utopia and then all get incinerated by jebus.
Trexller
02-20-2023, 01:35 AM
oh after ww3 we're going to unite and rebuild into some gigantic (ai ruled?) utopia and then all get incinerated by jebus.
saw that video
AI pilots will be pretty game changing for aerial warfare.
vid said the AI pilot will take any risk that have a 51% or greater chance of success, can't do that with a $30 million F-16 but future mass produced aircraft swarms will be utterly insane.
that F-16 is just a test platform. man can you imagine looking at the sky on a nice sunny day, and seeing a flock of birds, then realizing they aren't birds, its 500 drone fighter jets.
it's gonna be like that scene in matrix 3 where all the sentinels breach the underground city
https://i.imgur.com/45ZuhAe.jpg
Jobaber
02-20-2023, 01:55 AM
saw that video
AI pilots will be pretty game changing for aerial warfare.
vid said the AI pilot will take any risk that have a 51% or greater chance of success, can't do that with a $30 million F-16 but future mass produced aircraft
https://i.imgur.com/45ZuhAe.jpgswarms will be utterly insane.
that F-16 is just a test platform. man can you imagine looking at the sky on a nice sunny day, and seeing a flock of birds, then realizing they aren't birds, its 500 drone fighter jets.
it's gonna be like that scene in matrix 3 where all the sentinels breach the underground city
as long as we fix that accent.
kayFrIR-Qfw
Kaveh
02-20-2023, 01:59 AM
immediately after your horrible movements 8 year war on trump began to look like it came to an end, the GOP went right back to talking about cutting social security.
Finally the world is back to the way you want it.
(little do you know a god damn holy war is coming)
Muslims and Catholics (morons) vs Protestants and Hindus (chess players)?
aussenseiter
02-20-2023, 12:04 PM
the antichrist will be lit
jib content
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Encroaching Death
02-20-2023, 12:08 PM
Call your nurse to where you are playing on the community computer in your home's common area.
I want you to know, you can live out the rest of your boomer life and you won't see another republican president.
It is over thank god for the educated youth. They may be in debt forever. But more educated tend for progressive leaders.
Gonna save this one and shove your face in it when it inevitably blows up.
Kaveh
02-20-2023, 02:18 PM
Yeah Rob, if DeSantis gets the nomination he’s going to win in an electoral landslide
If it’s trump, Biden cruises
Encroaching Death
02-20-2023, 02:59 PM
Yeah Rob, if DeSantis gets the nomination he’s going to win in an electoral landslide
If it’s trump, Biden cruises
As much as it pains me to admit, probably the truth.
The machine will not let Trump no matter what. They would self destruct the country if it even came close.
They would let DeSantis in because they feel they could have a chance to corrupt him.
Elizondo
02-20-2023, 03:00 PM
Yeah Rob, if DeSantis gets the nomination he’s going to win in an electoral landslide
If it’s trump, Biden cruises
Biden / Fetterman 2024
Horza
02-20-2023, 03:00 PM
Yeah Rob, if DeSantis gets the nomination he’s going to win in an electoral landslide
If it’s trump, Biden cruises
Trump will absolutely run as a third party and kneecap DeSantis just to keep the grift going as long as possible if he loses the primary.
Trexller
02-20-2023, 03:11 PM
Trump will absolutely run as a third party and kneecap DeSantis just to keep the grift going as long as possible if he loses the primary.
I could see Trump starting his own political party, but what would he call it? Truth Party? Truth Social Party? Spray-Tan Party? MAGA Party?
aussenseiter
02-20-2023, 03:15 PM
Trump will absolutely run as a third party and kneecap DeSantis just to keep the grift going as long as possible if he loses the primary.
Texas has a sore loser law(for now). No path to 270 for R.
Randarn
02-20-2023, 03:40 PM
I really like this channel thats 100% Military Strategic breakdown that follows the war. The gentleman is Ukrainian and actually currently lives in Ukraine, in an area Russia currently occupies around the Kerson peninsula, and is Pro-Ukrainian but reports straight military actions and his only comments are from a militaristic strategic point of view, no politics. Even with english being his second language, his is extremely well spoken compared to any native English speaker or for the fact, ANY youtuber I've found that covered the war for strategic analysis, including the news outlets who have generals on shows for breakdowns, etc. It cuts out all the politics and just LITERALLY goes over the Military strategy and on the ground action each day. Videos are generally about 3-5mins long, small short and packed with very interesting analysis of sometimes topographical (height/elevation) strategic breakdown and why or why not something worked and theories of what they should do as next plan of attack or failure to do X could well lead to said militaristic outcome. "Reporting From Ukraine" is the channel. Check it out https://www.youtube.com/@RFU
Botten
02-20-2023, 04:46 PM
As much as it pains me to admit, probably the truth.
The machine will not let Trump no matter what. They would self destruct the country if it even came close.
They would let DeSantis in because they feel they could have a chance to corrupt him.
Trump will tear apart the GOP.
2024 will be so much comical fun in the GOP. MAGA will flail so hard. Also think there is a potential for the first black women president during Biden’s second term.
aussenseiter
02-20-2023, 04:58 PM
Also think there is a potential for the first black women president during Biden’s second term.
Kamala already did that when Biden got a camera stuck in his butt. (https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/19/politics/kamala-harris-presidential-power/index.html)
Horza
02-20-2023, 04:59 PM
I could see Trump starting his own political party, but what would he call it? Truth Party? Truth Social Party? Spray-Tan Party? MAGA Party?
MAGAt party? Beelzebub 2024.
Encroaching Death
02-20-2023, 05:07 PM
Trump will tear apart the GOP.
2024 will be so much comical fun in the GOP. MAGA will flail so hard. Also think there is a potential for the first black women president during Biden’s second term.
They've been saying this since 2015.
Trump grew the Republican voter base by tens of millions.
Sorry you're bad at math.
Encroaching Death
02-20-2023, 05:07 PM
Kamala already did that when Biden got a camera stuck in his butt. (https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/19/politics/kamala-harris-presidential-power/index.html)
And it was the worst 8 hours of my life
Encroaching Death
02-20-2023, 05:09 PM
MAGAt party? Beelzebub 2024.
Come on....say it....you know you want to
https://www.gpb.org/sites/default/files/styles/three_two_702x468/public/blogs/images/2014/08/09/pasteycakes.jpg
Kaveh
02-20-2023, 07:35 PM
Biden / Fetterman 2024
A better choice than Kamala
Trump will absolutely run as a third party and kneecap DeSantis just to keep the grift going as long as possible if he loses the primary.
Idk man, he doesn’t want the Koch organization going after him
You never fuck with the money
Trexller
02-20-2023, 07:39 PM
a cardboard cutout of Mr. Peanut would be a better choice than kamala.
and why would trump worry about catholic money? I'm pretty sure the only catholic president in the history of the US is Biden.
Encroaching Death
02-20-2023, 07:45 PM
JFK was too.
Funny, considering the fact that EVERYONE in the US claims they're Irish, we sure aren't friendly towards Catholics.
I used to claim Irish heritage and then I realized I won't be invited to any country clubs unless I start saying I'm 'British'.
aussenseiter
02-20-2023, 07:48 PM
Biden v DeSantis is acceptable
Basanos
02-20-2023, 07:50 PM
a cardboard cutout of Mr. Peanut would be a better choice than kamala.
and why would trump worry about catholic money? I'm pretty sure the only catholic president in the history of the US is Biden.I thought JFK was, like, famously catholic and it was kind of a problem at the time
Could be wrong, as usual I refuse to look this up
Encroaching Death
02-20-2023, 07:55 PM
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Encroaching Death
02-20-2023, 07:57 PM
Biden v DeSantis is acceptable
If Biden wins between those two...
Our country is objectively literally retarded.
aussenseiter
02-20-2023, 08:02 PM
If Biden wins between those two...
Our country is objectively literally retarded.
Buddy that's not at stake.
Horza
02-20-2023, 08:03 PM
How exactly is Meatball Ron supposed to win a general if the hardcore 20-30% of the GOP base that thinks Trump is the second coming refuse to vote for anybody else?
Encroaching Death
02-20-2023, 08:04 PM
Buddy that's not at stake.
Fine - we'll be EVEN MORE retarded.
Objectively.
Encroaching Death
02-20-2023, 08:05 PM
How exactly is Meatball Ron supposed to win a general if the hardcore 20-30% of the GOP base that thinks Trump is the second coming refuse to vote for anybody else?
farts.
piss.
Cum.
pAste
aussenseiter
02-20-2023, 08:08 PM
Fine - we'll be EVEN MORE retarded.
Objectively.
The NRO jerks on Twitter said R's will have to bunker down into Federalism if Ronaldus 2.0 doesn't win.
Trexller
02-20-2023, 08:11 PM
I thought JFK was, like, famously catholic and it was kind of a problem at the time
Could be wrong, as usual I refuse to look this up
looked it up, you're right JFK was the first catholic president. and biden is the 2nd.
things make more sense now, JFK refused to play ball with the big money gays (watch oliver stone's JFK) and they blew his brains out.
now they have the ultimate manchurian candidate in Biden, so they are rollin rollin rollin
Basanos
02-20-2023, 08:11 PM
Our country is objectively literally retarded.Let me know if you don't already know what the reveal is implying.
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Trexller
02-20-2023, 08:14 PM
How exactly is Meatball Ron supposed to win a general if the hardcore 20-30% of the GOP base that thinks Trump is the second coming refuse to vote for anybody else?
I don't think its that high, maybe 5-10% that think trump is jesus
anyone i know that voted for trump including myself is just tired of his antics. he had some good ideas, and some hilarious moments but ultimately caused so much trouble that he made himself more trouble than he is worth.
if the GOP tries to run trump in '24, its just a confirmation that political parties are a facade, US politics is all theatre and elections are a sham to make the citizenry feel like they have a choice in their lives.
well, that's depressing. should we talk about sports or weather now?
Encroaching Death
02-20-2023, 08:20 PM
Let me know if you don't already know what the reveal is implying.
74_4XrwS94c
Reality television is the peak of human acheivement.
Years of science and art perfected has delivered us into a new era of utopia.
This is progress. This is what we made. Be proud.
Basanos
02-20-2023, 08:21 PM
US politics is all theatre and elections are a sham to make the citizenry feel like they have a choice in their lives.Do I get, like, a check if I already hold this position and have since 2016? Time served?
Milf Manor
if we had to attend a show n tell on a galactic level i wonder if we'd get our shit together based on embarrassment alone
Trexller
02-20-2023, 08:41 PM
Do I get, like, a check if I already hold this position and have since 2016? Time served?
unfortunately not, you just got more time to be depressed about the world
Kaveh
02-21-2023, 02:16 AM
a cardboard cutout of Mr. Peanut would be a better choice than kamala.
and why would trump worry about catholic money? I'm pretty sure the only catholic president in the history of the US is Biden.
The Koch organization is Machiavellian. I’ve had the unfortunate displeasure of working for a subsidiary back in my younger oil and gas days. I never met either of them, but I met a few board members. Didn’t matter who it was, they were always dickheads and they only ever cared about the money
Grover Norquist types but pretty ruthless.
Also, is the Koch family Catholic? Didn’t know that, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Never met a Catholic person who wasn’t a fuck up
Kaveh
02-21-2023, 02:20 AM
Koch family is of Dutch origin and moved to Texas. Not seeing any obvious signs of Catholicism, and they are engineers. Catholics usually can’t do math
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 07:30 AM
Every rich family/person with direct influence over America is non-American, except for maybe Bill Gates.
Non-Americans need to fuck off. Reeee get off my board!!
But seriously, Americans are too dumb and fat to realize we're being fucked over by possibly every country on Earth.
Hats off to em though, they're doing it the smart way - not through full on invasions or regime change like we fat retarded rednecks do.
China buys up real estate.
Soros (Hungary) pumps money into divisive politics
Koch (Dutch) pumps money into divisive politics
Sweden is gay
Britain is getting the same treatment as us, so they cool
Germany wants to start the 4th Reich and takes advantage of our defense
There are more, okay? Trust me. I could name a bunch but I don't feel like it right now because there are so many to write down.
The point is: The world is obviously taking advantage of the handicapped and if I wasn't a retarded American, I'd know how to stop it.
well that's a lil too real, excuse me while i go pretend to be a elf that can cast spells n shit.
MrSparkle001
02-21-2023, 12:41 PM
Also, is the Koch family Catholic? Didn’t know that, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Never met a Catholic person who wasn’t a fuck up
Koch family is of Dutch origin and moved to Texas. Not seeing any obvious signs of Catholicism, and they are engineers. Catholics usually can’t do math
You're walking a fine line here. My entire family is Catholic.
Bisonzabi
02-21-2023, 01:56 PM
Trump will absolutely run as a third party and kneecap DeSantis just to keep the grift going as long as possible if he loses the primary.
People said this about Trump in 2015 that he'd go independent once he loses the primary.
Horza
02-21-2023, 02:01 PM
People said this about Trump in 2015 that he'd go independent once he loses the primary.
Okay, it's probably still true today. The guy is an obese narcissist who has been allowed to get away with being a sex pest for years, I doubt he's going to take no well.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 02:32 PM
Okay, it's probably still true today. The guy is an obese narcissist who has been allowed to get away with being a sex pest for years, I doubt he's going to take no well.
Any day now....
Say the line again, lib
"THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN"
lol
Horza
02-21-2023, 02:40 PM
Any day now....
Say the line again, lib
"THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN"
lol
We're talking about the fat pedophile you worship throwing a tantrum when DeSoros dethrones him, try to keep up with the conversation.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 03:07 PM
We're talking about the fat pedophile you worship throwing a tantrum when DeSoros dethrones him, try to keep up with the conversation.
You're still claiming what they've been claiming since 2015.
Try to keep up with the conversation.
BTW, have you seen The Wire?
Horza
02-21-2023, 03:10 PM
You're still claiming what they've been claiming since 2015.
Try to keep up with the conversation.
BTW, have you seen The Wire?
Nobody even knew who the hell Meatball Ron was all the way back in 2015.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 03:14 PM
Nobody even knew who the hell Meatball Ron was all the way back in 2015.
Jesus, take the paste out of your ears/eyes.
We're talking about Trump.
Horza
02-21-2023, 03:17 PM
Jesus, take the paste out of your ears/eyes.
We're talking about Trump.
Right, how he's going to lose his shit when DeSantis successfully primaries him and run independent to keep the grift going/burn the whole thing down out of spite.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 03:21 PM
Right, how he's going to lose his shit when DeSantis successfully primaries him and run independent to keep the grift going/burn the whole thing down out of spite.
Again, we come full circle.
That's what they were saying in 2015.
Say the line...
'THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN"
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 03:21 PM
Democrat voters: talking about desantis all the time
Democrat politicians: shut down unions ignore the environmental disaster it caused and walking around planning another transfer of wealth during a stroll under air raid sirens in a war they been planning since before it started.
Democrat voters: we're doing great!
Horza
02-21-2023, 03:22 PM
Again, we come full circle.
That's what they were saying in 2015.
Say the line...
'THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN"
If the walls are Republican primary voters rejecting the pedophile you worship in this case then I guess that analogy is appropriate?
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 03:27 PM
If the walls are Republican primary voters rejecting the pedophile you worship in this case then I guess that analogy is appropriate?
I don't care if they do or don't.
If it's DeSantis in there, great. He has a better chance at winning anyway.
Horza
02-21-2023, 03:34 PM
I don't care if they do or don't.
If it's DeSantis in there, great. He has a better chance at winning anyway.
Not with Trump sabotaging him by running as an independent or third party candidate to keep the donation grift going.
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 03:34 PM
As a democrat, I'm just glad we have finally gotten to do what my peace loving working class voters have always wanted all along: Wage a war to finish off those rotten Communists once and for all!
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 03:45 PM
Not with Trump sabotaging him by running as an independent or third party candidate to keep the donation grift going.
And that's what you've been claiming since 2015 and it never happens.
Horza
02-21-2023, 03:58 PM
And that's what you've been claiming since 2015 and it never happens.
Again nobody even knew who DeSantis was back then, he wasn't going to dethrone Trump back when he was licking his boots still.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 04:10 PM
Again nobody even knew who DeSantis was back then, he wasn't going to dethrone Trump back when he was licking his boots still.
Again, talking about Trump...not DeSantis...
https://media.tenor.com/ofdD0cJ5xQ0AAAAC/you-are-so-dumb-you-are-really-dumb.gif
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 04:16 PM
guys guys: liz chenny
lol
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 04:28 PM
guys guys: liz chenny
lol
Maybe she works at a McDonald's now?
https://assets.change.org/photos/4/vy/zu/ppVyZuFcBFeEbBm-1600x900-noPad.jpg
Horza
02-21-2023, 04:35 PM
Again, talking about Trump...not DeSantis...
https://media.tenor.com/ofdD0cJ5xQ0AAAAC/you-are-so-dumb-you-are-really-dumb.gif
Your obese messianic figure doesn't exist in some vacuum, he's raging right now on whatever obscure fringe right-wing social network he posts on about the guy who's beating him in all the polls.
Trexller
02-21-2023, 04:38 PM
Your obese messianic figure doesn't exist in some vacuum, he's raging right now on whatever obscure fringe right-wing social network he posts on about the guy who's beating him in all the polls.
bro you might wanna think about the future
what are you gonna do with yourself with trump ultimately fades from spotlight?
every day the goes by he's got less influence over anyone, and he's not making efforts to regain lost ground
so within like ~6 months, trump will have faded to history
do you really wanna be one of those people who are stuck in the past?
Horza
02-21-2023, 04:48 PM
bro you might wanna think about the future
what are you gonna do with yourself with trump ultimately fades from spotlight?
every day the goes by he's got less influence over anyone, and he's not making efforts to regain lost ground
so within like ~6 months, trump will have faded to history
do you really wanna be one of those people who are stuck in the past?
The general public has been warned of the health and safety pitfalls of dancing on Thatcher’s grave. Thatcher's grave 'not a nightclub.' “We’re concerned about levels of overcrowding and also the slipperiness as people fulfill their secondary aim of urinating on the former PM’s remains.” (https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/thatchers-grave-not-a-nightclub-2013040965124)
Trexller
02-21-2023, 05:09 PM
The general public has been warned of the health and safety pitfalls of dancing on Thatcher’s grave. Thatcher's grave 'not a nightclub.' “We’re concerned about levels of overcrowding and also the slipperiness as people fulfill their secondary aim of urinating on the former PM’s remains.” (https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/thatchers-grave-not-a-nightclub-2013040965124)
i don't think trump has thatcher levels of notoriety.
thatcher actually got things done that still piss people off to this day
trump just pissed people off a few years ago
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 05:32 PM
Your obese messianic figure doesn't exist in some vacuum, he's raging right now on whatever obscure fringe right-wing social network he posts on about the guy who's beating him in all the polls.
https://i.imgflip.com/7bz4u0.jpg
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 06:12 PM
Trump will be your next president, that is all :o
Trexller
02-21-2023, 06:13 PM
Trump will be your next president, that is all :o
IM MOVING TO CANADA! :mad::eek::mad::eek::mad:
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 06:14 PM
Is the new train derailment in nebraska (https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1628070024731664385?s=20), and the other 2, all part of world war 3?
or the lumbar factory on fire right now in N (https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1628081570002378753?s=20)Y or the metal factory in Ohio that exploded?
Factory fire in in West virginia? (https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1628086979278606336?s=20)
This mornings explosion in florda metal (https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1628046564827754502?s=20) works plant?
Is the new train derailment in nebraska, and the other 2, all part of world war 3?
or the lumbar factory on fire right now in NY or the metal factory in Ohio that exploded?
our infrastructure is a disaster. maybe people shouldn't of voted for deregulation so hard
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 06:18 PM
our infrastructure is a disaster. maybe people shouldn't of voted for deregulation so hard
haha i dont believe this infristracture, we got
5 derailments in 1 week, 5+ major explosions at factories...
Horza
02-21-2023, 06:20 PM
Trump will be your next president, that is all :o
This is exactly what you said the last time he lost :p
well, get in the scooby doo van and go figure it out.
Trexller
02-21-2023, 06:21 PM
haha i dont believe this infristracture, we got
5 derailments in 1 week, 5+ major explosions at factories...
https://i.imgur.com/wurZRRJ.jpg
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 06:43 PM
our infrastructure is a disaster. maybe people shouldn't of voted for deregulation so hard
Biden undid all of Trump's deregulation moves when he got into office 2 years ago.
Patriam1066
02-21-2023, 06:57 PM
Trump will be your next president, that is all :o
Trump couldn’t beat fetterman
aussenseiter
02-21-2023, 07:18 PM
Biden undid all of Trump's deregulation moves when he got into office 2 years ago.
Resumed enforcing
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 07:26 PM
Resumed enforcing
No, it was among the first things he undid in the beginning of his presidency.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 07:26 PM
Trump couldn’t beat fetterman
I believe it.
Because this country is filled with moronic fat retards.
Biden undid all of Trump's deregulation moves when he got into office 2 years ago.
the shit started like during Reagan or something
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 07:27 PM
the shit started like during Reagan or something
Not the deregulations that Trump put in
aussenseiter
02-21-2023, 07:28 PM
No, it was among the first things he undid in the beginning of his presidency.
Existing laws that Tromp declined to enforce.
shit was going on before 2016, like all kinds of shit. that put profits ahead of everything.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 07:33 PM
Existing laws that Tromp declined to enforce.
Again no, you people act as if Trump never did anything (https://publicintegrity.org/inside-publici/newsletters/watchdog-newsletter/biden-undoing-trump-deregulation-policies-executive-orders/)
I wanna know why Biden let the infrastructure crumble during his 2 years of service.
Can't blame Trump now.
Basanos
02-21-2023, 07:36 PM
Blame conservatives, since both Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Reagan were all conservatives
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 07:42 PM
Blame conservatives, since both Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Reagan were all conservatives
:rolleyes:
Who is in charge right now?
Biden is (lol)
So he gets the blame.
Stop being a bitch and own up.
"he" is a typo, think you meant "we" the voter caused this.
aussenseiter
02-21-2023, 07:46 PM
Again no, you people act as if Trump never did anything (https://publicintegrity.org/inside-publici/newsletters/watchdog-newsletter/biden-undoing-trump-deregulation-policies-executive-orders/)
I wanna know why Biden let the infrastructure crumble during his 2 years of service.
Can't blame Trump now.
An executive order isn't law, goofus. It's direction to the subsidiaries of the executive branch in their activities.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 07:46 PM
"he" is a typo, think you meant "we" the voter caused this.
Sure, if you voted for Biden, you get part of the blame too.
You helped put a retard in office.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 07:47 PM
An executive order isn't law, goofus. It's direction to the subsidiaries of the executive branch in their activities.
Doesn't matter.
lol, i voted for obama the first time because "weed, lmao" then never voted again. it's like professional wrestling, its for the dumb dumbs but its entertaining. and the storylines got super retarded a long long time ago.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 07:50 PM
lol, i voted for obama the first time because "weed, lmao" then never voted again. it's like professional wrestling, its for the dumb dumbs but its entertaining. and the storylines got super retarded a long long time ago.
Alright, then people like you are to blame.
But mostly Biden. He had 2 years to work on the infrastructure, but he spent it shitting his pants instead.
don't bring everyone with above room temp iq into your problems.
also, eat some shrooms and chill the fuck out.
aussenseiter
02-21-2023, 07:52 PM
lol, i voted for obama the first time because "weed, lmao" then never voted again. it's like professional wrestling, its for the dumb dumbs but its entertaining. and the storylines got super retarded a long long time ago.
Obama is akshually how I learnt that. (https://whyy.org/articles/obama-administration-declines-to-enforce-immigration-laws/)
Enforcing those immigration laws is both difficult and expensive. But it becomes impossible if the executive branch refuses to enforce them. Non-enforcement lowers the costs to illegal aliens of violating U.S. immigration laws, and increases the benefits to the extent that it allows illegal aliens to remain and work in the U.S.
~fin autismo~
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 07:52 PM
Sure, as long as you continue to not vote.
Horza
02-21-2023, 07:57 PM
also, eat some shrooms and chill the fuck out.
He's much too busy foaming at the mouth about increasing rates of intermarriage between ethnic groups.
Sure, as long as you continue to not vote.
protip dude, my non vote counts as much as your actual vote, and i don't have stand in line about it. lol.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 08:18 PM
protip dude, my non vote counts as much as your actual vote, and i don't have stand in line about it. lol.
The snowflake never blames itself for the avalanche.
We have millions of you 'weed lmao' voters who do make a difference.
Those people are why we are so retarded.
Also fat and lazy. And ignorant. And stupid and retarded.
no need to get upset, maaaan.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 08:24 PM
no need to get upset, maaaan.
I'm sure you're a chill dude to hang out with/party with but I'm a bit unhinged and lately all my solutions involve wiping the slate clean.
This country will fall as fast as it rose and it won't look pretty.
Horza
02-21-2023, 08:27 PM
The snowflake never blames itself for the avalanche.
We have millions of you 'weed lmao' voters who do make a difference.
Those people are why we are so retarded.
Also fat and lazy. And ignorant. And stupid and retarded.
GOP tears 👍
I'm sure you're a chill dude to hang out with/party with but I'm a bit unhinged and lately all my solutions involve wiping the slate clean.
This country will fall as fast as it rose and it won't look pretty.
it's a feedback loop. just get right with god or whatever your deal is and you'll feel better about the end of the world, i know i do.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 08:37 PM
GOP tears 👍
https://i.imgflip.com/7bz4u0.jpg
Horza
02-21-2023, 08:39 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/7bz4u0.jpg
Huh it's not even on your meme, update that shit you know how much I hate the attention.
also, and i can't stress this enough. shrooms.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 08:43 PM
also, and i can't stress this enough. shrooms.
Done with the psychoactives.
They ruined my life enough.
idk sounds like you didn't take the right amount, you might need DMT idk i'm not your shaman.
Botten
02-21-2023, 09:03 PM
idk sounds like you didn't take the right amount, you might need DMT idk i'm not your shaman.
Man did he ever tell you what shaman does speak to him in game? It is hilarious. ED knows the Qanon Shaman personally!
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 09:05 PM
idk sounds like you didn't take the right amount, you might need DMT idk i'm not your shaman.
You're probably right, since I'm alive.
I'm starting to realize I should have used more.
all i know is the last time i took the right amount the trip was fantasy themed and a wizard showed up and was super upset about something and wouldn't teleport me the fuck outta here, so here i remain.
the human brain can imagine some pretty cool shit if given the motivation.
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 09:29 PM
Russia mobilizing students, so we have at least another half a year of commitment before they're even on the field.
Go ahead and make that long term investment in military equipment.
Sigh.
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 09:30 PM
Last time I took shrooms I laughed at how dirty my friend's dog was for around an hour.
Or what felt like an hour. Time creeps slowly when you're tripping
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 09:35 PM
Time creeps slowly when you're tripping
Or fighting russia...
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 09:36 PM
Or fighting russia...
The forever wars shall continue...
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 09:36 PM
The forever wars shall continue...
Regan ended the cold war, democrats brought it back.
They hate Regan that much.
Civil war for trump.
lol
Encroaching Death
02-21-2023, 09:40 PM
Regan ended the cold war, democrats brought it back.
They hate Regan that much.
Civil war for trump.
lol
I don't know who to blame, I'm just tired of always being involved.
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 09:43 PM
I don't know who to blame, I'm just tired of always being involved.
Apparently the white house was planning on blowing up nord 2 two months BEFORE the incursion in 21, if true that means we started this.
:o
aussenseiter
02-21-2023, 09:49 PM
if true that means we started this.
:o
:rolleyes:
we started this.
was it ever really in doubt? watching people with control issues freak out about it has it been enlightening. whatever the fuck is going to happen already has, everyone is just going through the motions now
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 09:56 PM
I drive around in my like, basically nazi looking car, in my basically nazi looking cookie cutter community, brought to me by a bunch of guys with skulls on everything, and think, are we the baddies?
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 09:58 PM
https://i.imgur.com/YhuwWNg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oAMifOs.png
https://i.imgur.com/vVzuH0X.png
Jobaber
02-21-2023, 10:24 PM
"so well try the nazi thing again, but we'll let everyone be free (free to chose which of 2 products to buy)... "
https://i.imgur.com/RQC52IB.png
Jobaber
02-23-2023, 12:46 AM
https://i.imgur.com/Bs0bhjK.gif
HOyjo6_2x5Y
Trexller
02-23-2023, 12:49 AM
/tell Putin 'Bring It On, Pussy'
https://i.imgur.com/lwbLfsU.jpeg
Jobaber
02-23-2023, 01:05 AM
r9IIfnAEtvY
Encroaching Death
02-23-2023, 01:15 AM
Bylat
Jobaber
02-24-2023, 01:13 PM
Trolling, or is it actually the satanic motto of the antichrist? (fits perfectly in both puzzles)
-kJbuZWGLQY
Only the stars are above us, vs the wise man will be master of the stars.
Encroaching Death
02-24-2023, 05:59 PM
https://i.ibb.co/bgmvGBT/4633efb47342ac848a96cbef9ecdf479849cbe846d5146f098 90c3db15c745d1-1.png
Patriam1066
02-24-2023, 06:39 PM
China sending artillery and drones?
Stop buying shit made in China, these dickheads are amoral scum of the earth
Time to give Japan and South Korea nukes and ratchet up tension. Also, ban tiktok and Panda Express
Jobaber
02-25-2023, 01:24 AM
https://i.ibb.co/bgmvGBT/4633efb47342ac848a96cbef9ecdf479849cbe846d5146f098 90c3db15c745d1-1.png
FF6uKMYYBeA
Trexller
03-06-2023, 12:18 AM
https://i.imgur.com/riENMGH.jpeg
Patriam1066
03-06-2023, 12:41 AM
^lol’d
Jobaber
03-06-2023, 12:49 AM
how democrats and military recruiters see US military
https://i.imgur.com/nwdZZWE.gif
us military in real life
https://i.imgur.com/w2NnwvC.png
https://i.imgur.com/cSEHwxo.png
https://i.imgur.com/WgbkRei.png
https://i.imgur.com/P2VVLV7.png
https://i.imgur.com/XZ6MUNL.png
https://i.imgur.com/r9Rd5dT.png
Trexller
03-06-2023, 01:03 AM
The US military might be those things, sure
It's also this:
https://i.imgur.com/0c3vrE3.jpeg
That image is one of victory, and also social upheaval. Major changes in world order.
We live in similiar times here in 2023. There is always some sort of ridiculous BS going on, we are the first generation who has been able to know about all of it, in real time.
Then time passes, and nothing really bad actually happens. Sure some legislation you might not agree with gets passed, or people you don't like gain power.
But the real actual status quo never changes, because for that to happen, the Ultra-Rich would lose money.
There is nothing more important to those people than their money.
and the US military is the guardian of their money.
So for all the trans ideology and rainbow flags that the DoD tries to hang, it won't ultimately make us less of a war fighting nation. The only thing that determines whether or not the US wins or loses a war, is how badly we want to win it or not.
Come at me bros, I have answers for all of you.
Patriam1066
03-06-2023, 03:33 AM
how democrats and military recruiters see US military
https://i.imgur.com/nwdZZWE.gif
us military in real life
https://i.imgur.com/w2NnwvC.png
https://i.imgur.com/cSEHwxo.png
https://i.imgur.com/WgbkRei.png
https://i.imgur.com/P2VVLV7.png
https://i.imgur.com/XZ6MUNL.png
https://i.imgur.com/r9Rd5dT.png
Can you do a collage of the Ukrainian civilians in apartment blocks killed by Russian cruise missiles? Thanks! How about the millions of Africans alive because George Bush signed bipartisan legislation fighting HIV in Africa?
America is a good country. It’s not even close. Go to church dude
Jobaber
03-06-2023, 01:26 PM
Can you do a collage of the Ukrainian civilians in apartment blocks killed by Russian cruise missiles? Thanks!
here instead let me remind you you're replying to a picture of us doing the same shit.
https://i.imgur.com/P2VVLV7.png
Trexller
03-06-2023, 03:44 PM
here instead let me remind you you're replying to a picture of us doing the same shit.
collateral damage is inevitable in war
that child's injuries are a tragedy for sure
it's also just 1 child out if 8 billion humans. that's 10^-8% of all humans.
people say Putin doesn't have any regard for human life.
The rest of the world only has regard for human life as long as it is employable.
which is different?
I understand the point you are trying to make, it just needs to hit harder for effect.
Jobaber
03-06-2023, 04:27 PM
collateral damage is inevitable in war
that child's injuries are a tragedy for sure
it's also just 1 child out if 8 billion humans. that's 10^-8% of all humans.
people say Putin doesn't have any regard for human life.
The rest of the world only has regard for human life as long as it is employable.
which is different?
I understand the point you are trying to make, it just needs to hit harder for effect.
bless you
Trexller
03-06-2023, 07:32 PM
moving this over here for a sec
If Ukraine loses.
We've all espoused our opinions about this conflict, most of us here have got half a clue about geopolitics, so it might be interesting to see what you all think about that possibility.
say NATO gets fed up with the corruption in the ukranian gov't, and throws their hands up and says, "Ok guys, we tried to help you but you aren't holding your end of the bargain, so no more weapons"
What sorta geopolitical fallout could we expect? Russia would take the entire territory of ukraine in a long, bitter and very bloody conflict, millions on both sides will die. and China will feel like it has a green light to invade taiwan, because NATO gave up on ukraine.
That's the short term
whats the long term? new soviet bloc? EU uniting under 1 flag for "defense" purposes? China controlling the world semiconductor supply? the rise of powers in NK and Iran from their Soviet backing? Nukes in Seoul and Tehran?
I haven't given much thought to the ramifications of a russian victory
speculate below
we'll claim victory because X amount of Russian men died and their population demographic is kinda fubar'd and i always assumed Taiwan was going to be given up without a fight when it actually happens.
waiting on Israel to bomb Iran, and i vaguely remember hearing about some fucked up shit going on in Africa currently but it's Africa so "who cares - the world."
Trexller
03-06-2023, 09:16 PM
i always assumed Taiwan was going to be given up without a fight when it actually happens.
This will actually be pretty interesting, China is definitely going to make a move for Taiwan sooner or later, it's written into their constitution. Their gov't is technically required to bring taiwan into the CCP.
but
Taiwan is the most heavily defended territory in the world. They even have geography playing into their favor, with most of their coastline being jagged rocks which are hostile to landing craft or soldiers. other parts are sheer cliff, theres only like 12 spots totaling less than 100km of coastline that is suitable for beach landing. You can drop bombs all day long, but it doesn't matter if you can't put boots on the ground. and theres only like 1 month per year where the waters in the taiwan strait would allow for beach landings.
Taiwan has all of our best military tech save for the F-22, which nobody has but us. The people are hardy and steadfast in maintaining their independence. Honestly the entire nation will resist CCP control, alot of their population are descendants of the chinese people who fled mainland china when the CCP gained control.
and they have the technology and weapons to back up their spirit. even without allied support they will fuck up China's day so much that the CCP would have to employ Zap brannigan's killbot strategy.
Japan and the Philippines' survival also greatly hinges on Taiwan's sovreignty, because if china controls taiwan, then they control the east and south china seas and other major shipping routes. J and P also see chinese aggression against Taiwan as a threat to themselves, because they are the next closest territories by sea.
even if the US doesn't get involved with that conflict (we definitely will, ASML is the only company in the world who can make the ultra tiny chips) but even if not, china faces superior technology from taiwan, japan and whatever the phillipines has, which i assume is a boat and some rifles.
Patriam1066
03-06-2023, 09:34 PM
here instead let me remind you you're replying to a picture of us doing the same shit.
So we did that intentionally like the Russians did and as many times, daily in Syria and Ukraine, like the Russians do?
It’s not analogous. Definitely par for the course for the “America First” crew. Hating america and making shit up. Parties flipped indeed
Patriam1066
03-06-2023, 09:35 PM
This will actually be pretty interesting, China is definitely going to make a move for Taiwan sooner or later, it's written into their constitution. Their gov't is technically required to bring taiwan into the CCP.
but
Taiwan is the most heavily defended territory in the world. They even have geography playing into their favor, with most of their coastline being jagged rocks which are hostile to landing craft or soldiers. other parts are sheer cliff, theres only like 12 spots totaling less than 100km of coastline that is suitable for beach landing. You can drop bombs all day long, but it doesn't matter if you can't put boots on the ground. and theres only like 1 month per year where the waters in the taiwan strait would allow for beach landings.
Taiwan has all of our best military tech save for the F-22, which nobody has but us. The people are hardy and steadfast in maintaining their independence. Honestly the entire nation will resist CCP control, alot of their population are descendants of the chinese people who fled mainland china when the CCP gained control.
and they have the technology and weapons to back up their spirit. even without allied support they will fuck up China's day so much that the CCP would have to employ Zap brannigan's killbot strategy.
Japan and the Philippines' survival also greatly hinges on Taiwan's sovreignty, because if china controls taiwan, then they control the east and south china seas and other major shipping routes. J and P also see chinese aggression against Taiwan as a threat to themselves, because they are the next closest territories by sea.
even if the US doesn't get involved with that conflict (we definitely will, ASML is the only company in the world who can make the ultra tiny chips) but even if not, china faces superior technology from taiwan, japan and whatever the phillipines has, which i assume is a boat and some rifles.
I don’t like Taiwan’s chances. The retard Zerg is hard to beat. See: Russia v Ukraine
aussenseiter
03-06-2023, 09:54 PM
I don’t like Taiwan’s chances. The retard Zerg is hard to beat. See: Russia v Ukraine
I don't think China has the ships for it. Artificial reefs aren't as good as the real thing either. :cool:
Trexller
03-06-2023, 09:56 PM
I don’t like Taiwan’s chances. The retard Zerg is hard to beat. See: Russia v Ukraine
how are they gonna zerg the island? landing craft and parachutes? that's a huge joke, there is a good reason why the US hasn't done either since Korea.
seriously tho how would china apply their military forces to zerg Taiwan?
im interested
Jobaber
03-06-2023, 10:33 PM
So we did that intentionally like the Russians did and as many times, daily in Syria and Ukraine, like the Russians do?
Yeah, when we did what russia did to Ukraine, to Iraq, we used the words "shock & awe" to describe our bombardment.
10,000 civilians died that night lol
But we had to get rid of those azov nazis (yellow cake uranium)
Patriam1066
03-07-2023, 02:24 AM
Yeah, when we did what russia did to Ukraine, to Iraq, we used the words "shock & awe" to describe our bombardment.
10,000 civilians died that night lol
But we had to get rid of those azov nazis (yellow cake uranium)
Saddam and his army used chemical weapons and killed a million Iranians my man
In hindsight it was a bad decision but I assure you corrupt ass Ukraine isn’t the Sunni military of Iraq. Which btw became ISIS
To each their own, I voted Kerry because it was obvious invading Iraq was a mistake. It’s still not the same though
Patriam1066
03-07-2023, 02:27 AM
how are they gonna zerg the island? landing craft and parachutes? that's a huge joke, there is a good reason why the US hasn't done either since Korea.
seriously tho how would china apply their military forces to zerg Taiwan?
im interested
They won’t actually invade. They’d blockade and force us to start a war and then who knows how it goes
China isn’t as dumb as Russia. We’d be completely reliant upon regional partners to wage that war
Jobaber
03-07-2023, 03:38 AM
Saddam and his army used chemical weapons and killed a million Iranians my man
In hindsight it was a bad decision but I assure you corrupt ass Ukraine isn’t the Sunni military of Iraq. Which btw became ISIS
To each their own, I voted Kerry because it was obvious invading Iraq was a mistake. It’s still not the same though
food not bombs
if it was about helping people there's starving nations that are not fighting us for helping them.
what did we do to help iranians anyway, oh yeah I remember put the guys in charge that are using chemical weapons on the women today lol
They won’t actually invade. They’d blockade and force us to start a war and then who knows how it goes
China isn’t as dumb as Russia. We’d be completely reliant upon regional partners to wage that war
it sounds like you're saying there's a chance :o
Patriam1066
03-07-2023, 11:37 PM
food not bombs
if it was about helping people there's starving nations that are not fighting us for helping them.
what did we do to help iranians anyway, oh yeah I remember put the guys in charge that are using chemical weapons on the women today lol
it sounds like you're saying there's a chance :o
Yep, America completely fucked over Iran permanently in 1953, no argument here
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