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unsunghero
03-02-2022, 11:18 PM
Should have thought of this prior.
Should have your ducks in a row.
I don't give a shit. Drop em or tuck tail because there are no other moves in this corner. Lot of dumbass whores. :mad:
I’m all about staying to fight but I can’t do shit against a nuke. If Russia goes Kim Jong Un and blames America/NATO for all their Ukraine failures and wrecked economy and either Putin on his way out or some new even crazier leader starts letting the nukes fly…
…well Mexico (Rocky Point) is only a 5 hour drive south for me. They have stayed completely neutral in all this. Just will need to brush up on my espanol
Gustoo
03-02-2022, 11:37 PM
It’s not up to the world to give Putin a bunch of options that he is happy with.
No one is attacking Russian sovereign territory and no one intends to or even wants to. Moscow has a lot of normal human beings and none of them want to delete the earth even if Putin decided he wanted to.
Besides nuclear Holocaust will be an OK way to go if it comes to that. As I mentioned you gotta decide if you wanna be near a major target for guaranteed death or try to make sure you’re somewhere survivable.
Ooloo
03-02-2022, 11:49 PM
I always kinda wondered if all those cold war-era nukes would even still work as intended. Like, do they update all that infrastructure to keep them operational 24\7?
It would be funny if they were like oh fuck our nuke-launching computer is still running win 3.1!
unsunghero
03-03-2022, 12:12 AM
I always kinda wondered if all those cold war-era nukes would even still work as intended. Like, do they update all that infrastructure to keep them operational 24\7?
It would be funny if they were like oh fuck our nuke-launching computer is still running win 3.1!
Lol
Well from what I’ve heard from co-workers apparently we do have ways to shoot nukes down in flight, but Russia has the latest that travel at supersonic speed, which supposedly we can still shoot down, but only so many at once. If more than 10-15 are coming at once, some are going to get through
I also heard that if we tried to out-crazy the crazy and just turn all of Russia into a radioactive parking lot before they nuked us…that wouldn’t save us because they have contingency nukes on like submarines and planes in flight that we are not aware of. The only silver lining is that we do as well, which we can use as our final F U also
GinnasP99
03-03-2022, 12:31 AM
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Mblake1981
03-03-2022, 12:43 AM
I also heard that if we tried to out-crazy the crazy and just turn all of Russia into a radioactive parking lot before they nuked us…that wouldn’t save us because..
Global nuclear fallout. You probably wouldn't want to live here.
...they have contingency nukes on like submarines and planes in flight that we are not aware of. The only silver lining is that we do as well, which we can use as our final F U also
Again, there is nothing to win here. Putin called everyones bluff by this understanding. You are saying it is fucked up but we will fuck them back on exit. A losers game and a losers mindset. You shouldn't even be talking about invasions or nukes but here you are because of weak bitch moves with weak bitch results.
The world could push Putins shit in right now with reasonable cause. Russia will be forced to hold new elections but you will only get a man from their system, mafia - church - military etc but perhaps one that will pull the dogs back and save face since he stepped in to do the right thing when the country needed it the most.
Russia joins NATO but usually refrains from participating. Essentially ensuring they are left alone due to honor.
Mblake1981
03-03-2022, 12:53 AM
Americans go back to arguing about which President has smaller hands and which party is the biggest losers.
Patriam1066
03-03-2022, 12:55 AM
I honestly dont give a shit though, Biden is president, and I am hoping for the best with him for the sake of our nation.
Democrat or republican, hopefully most of us agree that our system is much better than what they have over there in Russia. Track suit wearing thieves, mafiosos, and con artists. We should’ve invaded when Patton suggested it
And some, I assume, are good people
Patriam1066
03-03-2022, 12:57 AM
Americans go back to arguing about which President has smaller hands and which party is the biggest losers.
Nah that’s on hold until the commies eat lead in the name of John the Revelator
Reiwa
03-03-2022, 01:02 AM
Stupid cunt representatives of a stupid cunt political movement, uniting all of America's stupid cunts under one, huge, smelly, festering stupid cunt tent.
Also the one on the right is ugly as sin.
Yeah but the right one to get some with the left one?
Jump on that grenade homie.
Reiwa
03-03-2022, 01:06 AM
This whole post is you just being irrational and slinging insults with zero content though.
Also why don't you use your next-level rational thought to critically-think about why the term "whataboutism" is so retarded and meaningless.
"Stop pointing out the inconsistent, selective and/or naval-gazing way that I choose to care about things! That's just some whataboutism!"
Tu quoque (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes)
Patriam1066
03-03-2022, 01:07 AM
Tucker just brought up an interesting point. If our intentions are to punish Russia, and we need to punish them economically enough to where their people overthrow Putin, that’s fine
But what happens next? Who replaces Putin, someone better, or someone worse? How will Russia feel about America and NATO after we punish Russia as hard as we can economically?
Now put a few possible realities together: 1. A hatred of America and NATO by Russia for ruining their economy + 2. A brand new leader possibly out to prove something + 3. 1,000+ nuclear warheads
….food for thought
They invaded a democracy for no reason. Read your Thucydides. And yes, I know that Athens “lost.”
Mblake1981
03-03-2022, 01:49 AM
Moscow has a lot of normal human beings and none of them want to delete the earth even if Putin decided he wanted to.
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Jibartik
03-03-2022, 02:31 AM
yeah at this point there is no way Putin can remain in power unless for some reason we all agree to let him stay around, which at this point I can only imagine the antichrist would be able to convince us of that.
Mblake1981
03-03-2022, 02:44 AM
yeah at this point there is no way Putin can remain in power unless for some reason we all agree to let him stay around, which at this point I can only imagine the antichrist would be able to convince us of that.
I imagine Russia will see to him in whichever fashion they deem appropriate.
Botten
03-03-2022, 08:32 AM
Dems crackin and distancing themselves from Biden
More like RINOs distancing themselves from Trump.
All these ppl telling you Trump sucks ruining your day?
Or better yet is your parroted Russia Troll propaganda drying up now due to the sanctions? Good!
Fail and flail more *grin.
Arteker
03-03-2022, 10:02 AM
Trump got a third of the Latino vote. Are all those people racist?
Most of them rather like the term Hispanic than latino, they find latino term aplied to them offensive and retarded.
Reiwa
03-03-2022, 10:25 AM
Most of them rather like the term Hispanic than latino, they find latino term aplied to them offensive and retarded.
tell them to stop speaking latin then!
starkind
03-03-2022, 10:42 AM
My Mexican and Puerto Rican affiliates are always like...we speak differently ya'know.
Spanish is just a gateway drug.
Ooloo
03-03-2022, 10:46 AM
Tu quoque (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes)
Yeah that's great and all, his post accusing other people of having no arguments itself contained no argument and nothing but insults. It's always this smug "lol you people are so dumb and can't even engage with my points!" and we're like "no we literally have a million times, and every time we do you guys just bail and say something about trump or paste or whatever".
Here's an example of whataboutism being retarded:
Which problem is more of a threat to black lives: The police or inter-personal violent crime?
The answer is obviously the latter, but usually libs brains will melt down at even being asked this question and will just shit out the word "whataboutism", probably call you a racist, and then tap.
Gustoo
03-03-2022, 10:56 AM
If anyone is watching tucker Carlson or any talking head on fox or nbc or cnn you are out of your fucking mind.
Watch cspan for real politics in action and tune into BBC for some slightly less targeted news media.
You never need to watch some slime analyze news for you.
The west is NOT punishing Russia over the top financially, and what matters most is what happens after the war ends during the war, they are at war.
Reiwa
03-03-2022, 11:07 AM
Here's an example of whataboutism being retarded:
Which problem is more of a threat to black lives: The police or inter-personal violent crime?
The answer is obviously the latter, but usually libs brains will melt down at even being asked this question and will just shit out the word "whataboutism", probably call you a racist, and then tap.
https://i.imgur.com/M6Je9pv.png
starkind
03-03-2022, 11:08 AM
If anyone is watching tucker Carlson or any talking head on fox or nbc or cnn you are out of your fucking mind.
Watch cspan for real politics in action and tune into BBC for some slightly less targeted news media.
You never need to watch some slime analyze news for you.
The west is NOT punishing Russia over the top financially, and what matters most is what happens after the war ends during the war, they are at war.
Gustoo is a very wise man.
I would promise now to the Russian civilians aid for rebuilding if they lose and are defeated by Ukraine.
Our veitnam was half a world away and we didn't have our economy totally destroyed.
The west didn't drop any bombs, there will be casualties and collateral reverberating out through generations from this.
We missed out on an opportunity for a world where Ukraine and Russia spent those $10s of billions per day colonizing the moon. Because Putin wanted to collect rent from Gazprom. Americans should reflect on this at home and who we follow should never be dictated by our pocket change or how many bigmacs we can afford to transport in a given weekend for someone else's profits.
Sorry Gustoo. I didn't really want to hijacking your message. It's perfect alone in its purist form without my commentary. Plz forgive.
/\ for the Ukrainian, Russian, Everybody.
Ooloo
03-03-2022, 11:23 AM
https://i.imgur.com/M6Je9pv.png
Oh god, the zombie strawman that won't die.
Look at the goofy face! That must be me!
You're better than this.
Ooloo
03-03-2022, 11:24 AM
"You're statistically WAY more likely to be harmed by X than Y, therefor why the shit are you constantly talking about Y instead of X???"
is closer to what people are actually saying.
starkind
03-03-2022, 11:28 AM
Eating fast food full of rancid and poisoned oils and fats terrifies me. It is *our right to have fresh whole organic foods every day.
Tbh we are all more likely "to die from that then anything else".
Pesticides and plastic is #2 and #3
These things have killed more people in more insanely horrific ways over the last century than all of human history.
99% of all life is extinct in our present time.
Restore the garden.
That is the opportunity we were given when we left the gardens.
Food for thought.
(Since we are doing X, Y).
We could even blame bad food for an indirect cause of warfare because people aren't getting enough nutrition for their brains to feel good enough to do good!
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Reiwa
03-03-2022, 11:30 AM
"You're statistically WAY more likely to be harmed by X than Y, therefor why the shit are you constantly talking about Y instead of X???"
is closer to what people are actually saying.
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Botten
03-03-2022, 11:33 AM
Yeah that's great and all, his post accusing other people of having no arguments itself contained no argument and nothing but insults. It's always this smug "lol you people are so dumb and can't even engage with my points!" and we're like "no we literally have a million times, and every time we do you guys just bail and say something about trump or paste or whatever".
Here's an example of whataboutism being retarded:
Which problem is more of a threat to black lives: The police or inter-personal violent crime?
The answer is obviously the latter, but usually libs brains will melt down at even being asked this question and will just shit out the word "whataboutism", probably call you a racist, and then tap.
It is sad when you take from parroted conservative talking points.
-"SKYROCKETING MURDER RATES," are screamed by National Fraternal Order of Police. -"An explosion of violent crime," says the talking head Mitch McConnell.
-"Democrat-run cities across the country who cut funding for police have seen increases in crime," writes Patrick McHenry
On social media and in political speeches, some Republicans and propolice groups say last year's calls to slash spending on law enforcement have led to a dramatic rise in killings in cities overseen by Democrats.
The increases they cite are real, and several big cities did make cuts to police spending.
But the reductions were mostly modest, and the same big increases in homicides are being seen nationwide; even in cities that increased police spending.
At the same time, the rates for burglaries, drug offenses and many other types of crime are down in many cities across the country.
The effort to blame Democrats for crime is just a Republicans' strategy for upcoming elections (a new twist on an old "law and order" argument from the days of Nixon.)
Nixon used a similar argument in his campaign, arguing that protests over civil rights "have torn 300 cities apart." The strategy helped energize white voters concerned about racial integration; just as it does now against BLM protests. This was even shown in study by Elizabeth Hinton (Yale Law School professor who studies the history of criminalization.)
Basically, Republicans are using the same TIRED old method for today's GOP voters and it is working on you Baler.
"Now, just as then, misleading claims about crime seem designed to exploit racism among white voters while ignoring the real reasons behind the increase in homicides," she said Elizabeth Hinton.
"Instead of linking this to COVID and mass unemployment and general anxiety, they're saying that somehow calls to defund the police are behind this, as a way to justify more policing as a response," Hinton said.
Just as it did half a century ago, the 'law and order' argument ignores the complicated reasons for fluctuations in crime rates; especially after protests that erupted after the killing of George Floyd by police.
Late last month, the National Fraternal Order of Police posted a graphic on social media showing big increases in the homicide rate in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., and Portland, Oregon. All cities currently led by Democrats supporting the 'Defund the Police movement.'
But homicides also rise where police funding maintained
*In Houston, a city led by a Democratic mayor, killings have increased, but so, too, has funding for police.
*Nashville, Tennessee, also led by a Democratic mayor, increased the police budget but has seen homicides spike 50% so far this year over last.
*Tulsa, Oklahoma, and Fresno, California, have also seen more killings so far in 2021. Both cities have Republican mayors.
Meanwhile, other types of crime are down, according to preliminary statistics and researchers who say crime initially dropped around the world after the pandemic began.
While cities are reporting jumps in their homicide rate, there's been no similar increase in other crimes, like burglaries, robberies or drug offenses.
That's not what you'd expect if calls to defund the police were leading to crime.
Basically, any theory explaining the rise in homicides would also have to explain why we haven't seen a spike in other kinds of crimes.
Hate to say this Baler but you just fell for Republican talking points that aren't even true.
starkind
03-03-2022, 11:40 AM
Satan has *incorporated the "us". So there is your reason for people going crazy and murdering demonically.
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Arteker
03-03-2022, 11:52 AM
tell them to stop speaking latin then!
since when spanish is latin ;)
Reiwa
03-03-2022, 11:59 AM
since when spanish is latin ;)
Vulgar provinces go brrr
Ooloo
03-03-2022, 12:01 PM
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Cool, still not an answer to the simple question:
"You're statistically WAY more likely to be harmed by X than Y, therefor why the shit are you constantly talking about Y instead of X???".
And if somebody wants to argue that somehow state violence is magically worse, even if it's extremely rare comparatively, I can at least respect the argument. But the left took that to such absurd extremes that you have major, influential black stars like lebron james saying things like "the cops in america are hunting black people!", which is so absurdly false I think it's criminally negligent. It's like people are going to actually believe and act upon your stupid false words, buddy.
Anyway sorry to shit up the ukraine thread but we have like five different pseudo-political threads now so I mean what the hell.
Reiwa
03-03-2022, 12:12 PM
Cool, still not an answer to the simple question:
"You're statistically WAY more likely to be harmed by X than Y, therefor why the shit are you constantly talking about Y instead of X???".
And if somebody wants to argue that somehow state violence is magically worse, even if it's extremely rare comparatively, I can at least respect the argument. But the left took that to such absurd extremes that you have major, influential black stars like lebron james saying things like "the cops in america are hunting black people!", which is so absurdly false I think it's criminally negligent. It's like people are going to actually believe and act upon your stupid false words, buddy.
Anyway sorry to shit up the ukraine thread but we have like five different pseudo-political threads now so I mean what the hell.
I did answer. It's because I'm a hypocrite. That's what's important right?
Agree with the state violence thing and people listening to celebrities is a problem in general. Is it social paraphilia? I forget the word I saw on Chapo.
e: parasocial relationships
unsunghero
03-03-2022, 12:32 PM
Defund the police is a winning political strategy
I agree with everything, that there are actually reductions in crime, and that the rise in murders have nothing to do with policies by the administration of those cities
Bring back defund the police by Dems! 2022 midterms and beyond!
A C A B
starkind
03-03-2022, 12:35 PM
We need more police. You have to be vetted as a good guy tho. And laws need to stop serving profits/corporations. Instead the common wellness of all.
Mblake1981
03-03-2022, 12:39 PM
lol
Jimjam
03-03-2022, 12:40 PM
Much of the increase in violence was homicides? Were many of the lockdown homicides domestic ones, I wonder? Like people stuck at home doing all work and leisure with the same faces everyday? Sounds far from ideal - especially with a difficult housemate (do housemates still count as domestic?).
unsunghero
03-03-2022, 12:44 PM
Much of the increase in violence was homicides? Were many of the lockdown homicides domestic ones, I wonder? Like people stuck at home doing all work and leisure with the same faces everyday? Sounds far from ideal - especially with a difficult housemate (do housemates still count as domestic?).
Yes domestic can mean anyone you live with. Roommate to roommate, child to parent, spouse to spouse
Reiwa
03-03-2022, 12:48 PM
Defund the police is a winning political strategy
I agree with everything, that there are actually reductions in crime, and that the rise in murders have nothing to do with policies by the administration of those cities
Bring back defund the police by Dems! 2022 midterms and beyond!
A C A B
Lawlessness is liberation. :p
Gustoo
03-03-2022, 01:21 PM
Defund the Police is similar to Black Lives Matter in that the names were intentionally promoted by evil politicians to make the issues more divisive than the needed to be.
Police and Public Safety Reform is 100% needed. Cops are the only public safety officers, which is ridiculous. Private prisons are also ridiculous, our prison system is the most despicable and evil aspect of the united states.
Black people really did need to make a fuss about the fact that black people get killed by cops disproportionately more often and with disproportionately less consequences to the killer. Now its viewed as almost a black supremacy movement by the people that hate it, while it didn't need to be this way.
I'm comfortable blaming putin for that tho.
Ooloo
03-03-2022, 02:22 PM
Black people really did need to make a fuss about the fact that black people get killed by cops disproportionately more often and with disproportionately less consequences to the killer. Now its viewed as almost a black supremacy movement by the people that hate it, while it didn't need to be this way.
Except that's not true. If it were, I could be way more on board, although I still would fail to see how burning down a black business owner's hard-earned business in a black neighborhood does anything to remedy it and not just make everything worse.
Black people do not get killed more than white people under the same circumstances. If a criminal has a gun drawn on cops and is acting erratically, they are *more* likely to be shot if they are white than if they are black.
People think "Well if they are shot disproportionately, it could only mean racism.", which is ridiculous. Men are shot way more than women, do cops hate men? Should men go burn down target to protest the obvious misandry of the police? No, obviously that's moronic.
Botten
03-03-2022, 02:29 PM
Except that's not true. If it were, I could be way more on board, although I still would fail to see how burning down a black business owner's hard-earned business in a black neighborhood does anything to remedy it and not just make everything worse.
Black people do not get killed more than white people under the same circumstances. If a criminal has a gun drawn on cops and is acting erratically, they are *more* likely to be shot if they are white than if they are black.
Wrong again..
https://news.yale.edu/2020/10/27/racial-disparity-police-shootings-unchanged-over-5-years
Ooloo
03-03-2022, 02:36 PM
Semi-related sidebar: Here's coleman hughes being sane and rational as always on the topic of race, its only 7 minutes. Take notes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NEWCE9FkHI
Ooloo
03-03-2022, 02:37 PM
Wrong again..
https://news.yale.edu/2020/10/27/racial-disparity-police-shootings-unchanged-over-5-years
No, don't just post a link. Post the relevant paragraphs as quotes, so I don't have to read that entire thing to figure out why you don't understand it.
Botten
03-03-2022, 02:39 PM
Semi-related sidebar: Here's coleman hughes being sane and rational as always on the topic of race, its only 7 minutes. Take notes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NEWCE9FkHI
Seth Rogen... Really.... Really...
You are comparing educated scholars to Seth Rogen guest talkers.
Propaganda has you bad.
Botten
03-03-2022, 02:40 PM
No, don't just post a link. Post the relevant paragraphs as quotes, so I don't have to read that entire thing to figure out why you don't understand it.
I know you don't read. Learning facts bothers you and goes against your programming.
unsunghero
03-03-2022, 03:19 PM
Wrong again..
https://news.yale.edu/2020/10/27/racial-disparity-police-shootings-unchanged-over-5-years
No the claim was that black people are not any more likely to be shot than a white person under the same circumstances
How do you know all the black people who were shot were behaving identical to white people in the same position? The article cites 1,260 black people shot by police in 5 years
I’d like to know the details about every one of those 1,260 shootings. Then compare those to the exact same circumstance occurring with 1,260 white people
You can’t. So you can’t dispute the claim. I do know that 1,260 police officers were not fired and charged with murder in 5 years. So apparently those shootings were considered lawful. You do realize if a black person shoots a cop, the cop survives and shoots back, killing the black person, that they become part of that statistic right? I know you do, just wanted to mention it
Horza
03-03-2022, 03:24 PM
Why are Republicans even shitting up the Ukraine thread with their unhinged rants about BLM? Just turn off Fox News.
Trexller
03-03-2022, 03:25 PM
Putin isn't invading Ukraine over perceived police brutality
unsunghero
03-03-2022, 03:25 PM
Why are Republicans even shitting up the Ukraine thread with their unhinged rants about BLM? Just turn off Fox News.
One of the rare times I agree. I have no idea what any of that has to do with Ukraine or Russia
If the Russian military is so unbelievably incompetent that they can't keep their convoys fueled or fed, just imagine the prospect of them accidentally swapping out a regular cruise missile for a nuclear one (they once had over 60,000 of them laying around)
How do you think NATO would respond to a nuclear detonation in Ukraine, and the Putin who cried "oops"
Fucking terrifying
Trexller
03-03-2022, 03:31 PM
If the Russian military is so unbelievably incompetent that they can't keep their convoys fueled or fed, just imagine the prospect of them accidentally swapping out a regular cruise missile for a nuclear one (they once had over 60,000 of them laying around)
yeah this is one of the wierdest invasions i've ever seen, i've been trying to find info from many sources, to get as good an idea as possible as to whats going on but... it just seems like they didn't plan this really well at all, unless thats part of some master plan, "if you are strong, appear weak" is from sun tzu, but it doesnt feel like thats what is going on.
im pretty sure Putin got fed some lines like, "the Ukrainian people are ripe for the plucking, and yearning to be russians once again"
this is such an old trope, strong man leader surrounds himself with sycophants, and everybody just tells him what he wants to hear regardless of reality, because otherwise they get shot
Jibartik
03-03-2022, 03:38 PM
If the Russian military is so unbelievably incompetent that they can't keep their convoys fueled or fed, just imagine the prospect of them accidentally swapping out a regular cruise missile for a nuclear one (they once had over 60,000 of them laying around)
How do you think NATO would respond to a nuclear detonation in Ukraine, and the Putin who cried "oops"
Fucking terrifying
I am wondering what the events would be if a nuke went off from the ground with no prior warning.
If this happened then russia would be able to say we cant shoot back at them because they're not shooting anymore, and if we do they'll launch in retaliation and mutually destroy each other.
It'd be a strange situation, we'd have to try to retaliate conventionally? But that would just make him say that HE'd launch the first missiles and then we'd all mutually destroy each other. So I wonder if it's possible to force us into a stalemate after setting off a nuke?
yeah this is one of the wierdest invasions i've ever seen
How do you crash this many tanks?!
Patriam1066
03-03-2022, 04:18 PM
yeah this is one of the wierdest invasions i've ever seen, i've been trying to find info from many sources, to get as good an idea as possible as to whats going on but... it just seems like they didn't plan this really well at all, unless thats part of some master plan, "if you are strong, appear weak" is from sun tzu, but it doesnt feel like thats what is going on.
im pretty sure Putin got fed some lines like, "the Ukrainian people are ripe for the plucking, and yearning to be russians once again"
this is such an old trope, strong man leader surrounds himself with sycophants, and everybody just tells him what he wants to hear regardless of reality, because otherwise they get shot
Honestly man, he clearly doesn’t have anyone around him that tells him what he doesn’t want to hear. I’d say what you posit is accurate. Everyone around him told him this would be just like crimea or abhkazia or Syria or Libya. Low cost interventions for Russia to “increase influence.” Who knows how it ends. Under these current economic conditions, I don’t imagine Russia could maintain an occupation. They’re going to have to rebuild everything theyve destroyed or face an active insurgency.
What’s hilarious is that Moldova applied for E.U. membership and now Sweden and Finland are mulling NATO membership. Putin played himself BIGLY
Trexller
03-03-2022, 04:23 PM
This guy sums it up pretty well for the current situation, check the channel for parts 1 and 2, this is 3 (Task & Purpose Channel)
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As far as a "why", this is the best i've found so far, and surprise surprise, its all about fossil fuels. (Reallifelore channel)
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Patriam1066
03-03-2022, 04:54 PM
If it’s about fossil fuels, all the more incentive to move forward for other sources of energy. I was really happy to hear Germany will be extending the life of her nuclear plants instead of buying more Russian gas. The antipathy towards nuclear power makes no sense
Jibartik
03-03-2022, 05:00 PM
The antipathy towards nuclear power makes no sense
The irony that it was in ukraine that any hope the world had at convincing the people afraid of nuclear power that it was safe was lost.
Mblake1981
03-03-2022, 05:29 PM
The irony that it was in ukraine that any hope the world had at convincing the people afraid of nuclear power that it was safe was lost.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oconee_Nuclear_Station
According to Duke Energy's web site, the station has generated more than 500 million megawatt-hours of electricity, and is "the first nuclear station in the United States to achieve this milestone."
unsunghero
03-03-2022, 05:37 PM
The antipathy towards nuclear power makes no sense
Patriam1066
03-03-2022, 08:02 PM
This guy sums it up pretty well for the current situation, check the channel for parts 1 and 2, this is 3 (Task & Purpose Channel)
K5BAZ2bBUzM
As far as a "why", this is the best i've found so far, and surprise surprise, its all about fossil fuels. (Reallifelore channel)
If61baWF4GE
Watched the second video, good post. Very informative, I would’ve never guessed the water angle
Botten
03-03-2022, 09:54 PM
Largest Nuclear power plant was shelled by the Russian just now (some fire) and thou it hit a portion of the plant that wasn’t operational there is nuclear fuel there.
https://news.yahoo.com/europes-largest-nuclear-power-plant-002154169.html
Trexller
03-03-2022, 09:56 PM
Largest Nuclear power plant was shelled by the Russian just now (some fire) and thou it hit a portion of the plant that wasn’t operational there is nuclear fuel there.
https://news.yahoo.com/europes-largest-nuclear-power-plant-002154169.html
yeah things just got real, really real.
unsunghero
03-03-2022, 10:45 PM
“Let’s show those Ukrainians by giving all of us cancer”
Jibartik
03-03-2022, 11:08 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/N_N_N/comments/t68xri/this_debate_regarding_the_russiaukraine_situation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Mblake1981
03-04-2022, 01:11 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/N_N_N/comments/t68xri/this_debate_regarding_the_russiaukraine_situation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/N_N_N/comments/t3k8y6/ukrainians_are_uploading_videos_on_tiktok_about/
https://i.imgur.com/lD8pKly.png
Mblake1981
03-04-2022, 01:37 AM
https://i.imgur.com/FnqHOOG.png
"Don't forget the despotism of the petticoat" -Wonkysan
Reiwa
03-04-2022, 01:53 AM
https://i.imgur.com/FnqHOOG.png
"Don't forget the despotism of the petticoat" -Wonkysan
Don't tease me I'm fragile, but white college women are the base now. :o
Trexller
03-04-2022, 02:15 AM
white college women are the base now. :o
that used to mean something else
good times
Mblake1981
03-04-2022, 04:01 AM
Don't tease me I'm fragile, but white college women are the base now. :o
Now they drive soviet military vehicles to take over bases, according to CCP.
Twitter calling for Lindsay Graham to resign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oconee_Nuclear_Station
https://i.imgur.com/fXHVAIL.png
https://i.imgur.com/qGEYwpO.png
yeah at this point there is no way Putin can remain in power unless for some reason we all agree to let him stay around.
I imagine Russia will see to him in whichever fashion they deem appropriate.
starkind
03-04-2022, 09:19 AM
“Let’s show those Ukrainians by giving all of us cancer”
Wouldn't be the first time!
MaCtastic
03-04-2022, 12:00 PM
https://tass.com/
Russian state media certainly paints Russia as liberators and victims of western terrorism.
Mblake1981
03-04-2022, 12:09 PM
https://tass.com/
Russian state media certainly paints Russia as liberators and victims of western terrorism.
Team sports promote their team. Dictator making moves, people reasoning it. The positive take is that there are no mean tweets.
unsunghero
03-04-2022, 12:45 PM
Wouldn't be the first time!
Yeah isn’t Chernobyl right around there?
BlackBellamy
03-04-2022, 12:49 PM
Why are Republicans even shitting up the Ukraine thread with their unhinged rants about BLM? Just turn off Fox News.
Probably in response to the 17 POINT MANIFESTO OF TRUMP MISDEEDS posted in bulleted form 20 pages back by some partisan retard from the other side. It's tennis pour enfants.
Twitter calling for Lindsay Graham to resign.
To be fair, "Twitter" in your sentence means "an individual with internet access, probably geolocated in Russia".
Mblake1981
03-04-2022, 12:56 PM
Probably in response to the 17 POINT MANIFESTO OF TRUMP MISDEEDS posted in bulleted form 20 pages back by some partisan retard from the other side. It's tennis pour enfants.
To be fair, "Twitter" in your sentence means "an individual with internet access, probably geolocated in Russia".
Fair enough, considering I am 10ft tall 600lbs.. on the internet. You know the place we all got away to once. Did you know Steve Jobs rests in an unmarked grave?
https://twitter.com/alexxxia/status/1304127058897846272
Gustoo
03-04-2022, 01:34 PM
It is dumb for a us politician to say that someone should be assassinated, what an idiot.
starkind
03-04-2022, 02:58 PM
Agreed.
Trexller
03-04-2022, 03:02 PM
maybe. he's not wrong tho.
would save the world alot of time and grief if someone just put one thru putin's brain
its early enough yet that they could claim "following orders" and the world would be okay laying all charges on the dead putin and moving on, just for the sake of peace.
there is no scenario that russian agression ends without a regime change, we should get it done before he further emboldens other global despots.
much like Ukranians, Vladimir Putin is also fighting for his life
Jibartik
03-04-2022, 03:20 PM
I never understood the its wrong to say not to kill the men in charge, I always felt like that was the men in charge that started that messaging, and then they make us all go into the mud and kill each other instead?
Trexller
03-04-2022, 03:24 PM
it's just politicians playing politics, and nobody likes lindsey graham, so they all jump on him.
If @ElonMusk tweeted out that vladimir putin should be killed, he'd be dead already and Ukraine would already be rebuilt.
Jibartik
03-04-2022, 03:57 PM
it's just politicians playing politics, and nobody likes lindsey graham, so they all jump on him.
If @ElonMusk tweeted out that vladimir putin should be killed, he'd be dead already and Ukraine would already be rebuilt.
eh you had me until elon musk the left hates him more than they hate themselves.
AOC
Mblake1981
03-04-2022, 04:19 PM
I never understood the its wrong to say not to kill the men in charge, I always felt like that was the men in charge that started that messaging, and then they make us all go into the mud and kill each other instead?
Tell me, is that your true fee fee :confused:
Jibartik
03-04-2022, 04:45 PM
Yeah I think so... I mean it was in jr high when I would talk about this kinda stuff.
Still haven't really been convinced otherwise though.
Like when someone says, lets parlay.
Why not just blow his head off? My friend says "then nobody will ever parlay with you again"
Im like, how many times you gotta parlay IRL?
Mblake1981
03-04-2022, 04:49 PM
Probably just the one time then.
Jibartik
03-04-2022, 04:53 PM
Probably just the one time then.
lol yeah after that everyone will kneel to my kingdom for the rest of my life :o
BlackBellamy
03-04-2022, 05:14 PM
I never understood the its wrong to say not to kill the men in charge, I always felt like that was the men in charge that started that messaging, and then they make us all go into the mud and kill each other instead?
It's not wrong to kill the men in charge, it's preferable both objectively and morally.
People misinterpret the Executive Order regarding assassinations.
It reads:
No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination.
Go ahead and try to find a legal definition of the word 'assassination'. You can find definitions, but not in the US Code. That's because it doesn't mean anything.
When it's done with a drone over Syria, that's a 'targeted killing' and the Patriot Act makes that totally ok. It's only an 'assassination' if some spook does it. Like when they tried to poison Skripal, that was an assassination and the world described it as such. Underhanded and skeevy, not proper.
But raining missiles down on Saddam, that's a 'decapitation' strike, and he is just 'command and control personnel'.
Putin is command and control personnel, Biden is, every leader who can issue orders to military forces or make any decision that affects a military struggle is just more command and control and therefore a valid target.
The prohibition is aimed squarely at the CIA because those rogue motherfuckers have wild ideas.
So like shooting Putin in the head is totally ok depending on who does it. If it's some guy with no ID and a connection to Langley, that's a nope. But as soon as he puts on his Special Forces uniform it's totally fine.
Jibartik
03-04-2022, 05:16 PM
well if anyone ever goes to parlay with me you best be ready to tango thats all I got to say.
https://i.imgur.com/k41olgf.png
BlackBellamy
03-04-2022, 05:20 PM
What if the United States put a bounty on Putin's head? Let's say 10 billion dollars.
BlackBellamy
03-04-2022, 05:21 PM
20 billion, we can easily afford more.
Jibartik
03-04-2022, 05:23 PM
20 billion, we can easily afford more.
I think them's fightn words..
https://i.imgur.com/9Lk0Xjp.gif
Mblake1981
03-04-2022, 05:38 PM
What if the United States put a bounty on Putin's head? Let's say 10 billion dollars.
https://twitter.com/Celebrity_blogg/status/1499299399746400259
I imagine Russia will see to it but I can't tell you about the subtle nuances of their culture. That might be mild protest with no legit will to carry through, it might even be sanctioned by the politburo.
Reiwa
03-04-2022, 06:24 PM
If the West killed Putin at this point an enraged Russia would go even further in prosecuting this war. Not good.
Mblake1981
03-04-2022, 06:40 PM
If the West killed Putin at this point an enraged Russia would go even further in prosecuting this war. Not good.
Have to save face.
Jibartik
03-04-2022, 06:56 PM
If the West killed Putin at this point an enraged Russia would go even further in prosecuting this war. Not good.
yea after all the videos I seen on reddit today they seem to be with him more than again him.
Gustoo
03-04-2022, 07:16 PM
I checked the internet and it verified that the stories posted represent how people feel in the real world
BlackBellamy
03-04-2022, 08:14 PM
If the West killed Putin at this point an enraged Russia would go even further in prosecuting this war. Not good.
Luckily Putin has eliminated all credible replacements. Who would actually be giving the "let's go further" order? Someone more nuts than he was? All that's left is weak yes-men who would sue for peace the moment the snake lost it's head.
Jibartik
03-04-2022, 08:22 PM
I checked the internet and it verified that the stories posted represent how people feel in the real world
lmao why assume you're connected to such rabble. This is a safe, small, highly intellechtual space online.
First of all, 99.9999999999999999% of the videos on the internet say that he's losing and sucks.
I just happen to be able to have a a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like the illuminati.
Which is why I am telling you that behind enemy lines, they are for him more than again him.
Sorry this makes you afraid. It should. We should be very afraid.
unsunghero
03-04-2022, 08:53 PM
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Elizondo
03-04-2022, 09:58 PM
Same folks that told us we had to wear a pointless mask for 2 years or we'll kill grandma are the same folks that want war with Russia where potentially millions of people could die
17121
Patriam1066
03-04-2022, 10:13 PM
I checked the internet and it verified that the stories posted represent how people feel in the real world
Lol’d
Botten
03-04-2022, 10:14 PM
Same folks that told us we had to wear a pointless mask for 2 years or we'll kill grandma are the same folks that want war with Russia where potentially millions of people could die
You know the Russian propaganda money is drying up when all Elizondo has is the democrats want war when Biden has said from the start he doesn’t intended to put troops into Ukraine and has only threatened sanctions. Even after the largest nuclear plant in Europe caught fire and threatened a disaster as big as 6 Chernobyls. Biden didn’t send in troops.
Elizondo looking weak on your spin. Real weak. Ha!
Wayne Allyn Root made you Republican look real dumb recently siding with Putin. Just like your fellow Qanon voters and Majorie Taylor Green in her white supremacy speech all chanting Putin.
You fail so hard Eilzondo. You have Republicans every where praising Putin.
Patriam1066
03-04-2022, 10:15 PM
Same folks that told us we had to wear a pointless mask for 2 years or we'll kill grandma are the same folks that want war with Russia where potentially millions of people could die
17121
Millions will die or be driven from their homes already. I’m not saying we should act militarily, but I’d probably deport all ethnic Russians at a minimum (to the bottom of the ocean)
Elizondo
03-04-2022, 10:22 PM
Millions will die or be driven from their homes already. I’m not saying we should act militarily, but I’d probably deport all ethnic Russians at a minimum (to the bottom of the ocean)
The lights are still on and the water is running
Pudding is not waging total war (yet)
If Brandon was serious he'd immediately unleash domestic oil production and target Russia's energy production. He's not doing that. Why?
Don't tell me 'Global Warming'. Only morons like Botten believe in that conspiracy theory
Botten
03-04-2022, 10:58 PM
….
If Brandon was serious he'd immediately unleash domestic oil production and target Russia's energy production. He's not doing that. Why?
Don't tell me 'Global Warming'. Only morons like Botten believe in that conspiracy theory
God you are such a stupid little Troll FakeNews Elizondo
Russia is reducing its oil exports because it’s using more fuel.
“Doing an invasion of the scale Russians are doing in Ukraine requires a lot of fuel, so their domestic use is going to go up,” Amy Myers Jaffe said. “So presumably, we’re going to see less exports of Russian oil, unless they increase production because their demand’s going up.”
Tell me how much oil you going to buy from a nation in a war. You are such a stupid Trumptard.
Reiwa
03-04-2022, 11:03 PM
If Brandon was serious he'd immediately unleash domestic oil production and target Russia's energy production. He's not doing that. Why?
Petrostates got a HARD dicking in April or May 2020 when the covid restrictions started.
Refineries were paying people to haul it away if you could store it. Something like that.
Botten
03-04-2022, 11:10 PM
Krishnamoorti said the Biden administration could waive the Jones Act or Merchant Marine Act of 1920, which the professor said would immediately lower gas prices.
The federal law requires water transportation of cargo among U.S. ports only to be conducted by registered American ships with U.S. crews.
Krishnamoorti said if foreign ships were allowed to move oil it would strengthen the supply chain of finished gasoline and especially lower prices on the west coast and northeast.
The law was passed to support commercial activity and serve as a naval auxiliary in times of war or national emergency.
Morgan said Biden could waive the Jones Act, citing a national emergency, and it would significantly reduce the cost and time of transporting oil in the U.S.
"The Jones Act has been around a long time, and it makes it less economical to ship finished gas from Houston to New York than from Europe to New York," Morgan said
The professor said the president and lawmakers also could cut or suspend gas taxes to help consumers.
Could be a good move to pull right before the midterms. A savior moment.
Elizondo
03-04-2022, 11:26 PM
Petrostates got a HARD dicking in April or May 2020 when the covid restrictions started.
Refineries were paying people to haul it away if you could store it. Something like that.
Once in a lifetime pandemic manufactured from China where the lock downs were pointless. That environment is never going to happen again and we could really use that energy right now
What's with you and the endless strawmen that are easily swatted down?
Botten
03-04-2022, 11:35 PM
Once in a lifetime pandemic manufactured from China where the lock downs were pointless. That environment is never going to happen again and we could really use that energy right now
What's with you and the endless strawmen that are easily swatted down?
Elizondo flailing and now is posting desperately any tangent he can think of.
China did it! Ha!
Reiwa
03-04-2022, 11:48 PM
Krishnamoorti said the Biden administration could waive the Jones Act or Merchant Marine Act of 1920, which the professor said would immediately lower gas prices.
The federal law requires water transportation of cargo among U.S. ports only to be conducted by registered American ships with U.S. crews.
Krishnamoorti said if foreign ships were allowed to move oil it would strengthen the supply chain of finished gasoline and especially lower prices on the west coast and northeast.
The law was passed to support commercial activity and serve as a naval auxiliary in times of war or national emergency.
Morgan said Biden could waive the Jones Act, citing a national emergency, and it would significantly reduce the cost and time of transporting oil in the U.S.
"The Jones Act has been around a long time, and it makes it less economical to ship finished gas from Houston to New York than from Europe to New York," Morgan said
The professor said the president and lawmakers also could cut or suspend gas taxes to help consumers.Could be a good move to pull right before the midterms. A savior moment.
No fuck that, the Jones Act protects American shipping and maritime security.
I saw that shit on r/neoliberal too and it sucks a lot!!
Mblake1981
03-05-2022, 01:12 AM
https://i.imgur.com/2efBn3V.png
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1499164245250002944
This is a thread that will explain the implied poor Russian Army truck maintenance practices based on this photo of a Pantsir-S1 wheeled gun-missile system's right rear pair of tires below & the operational implications during the Ukrainian mud season.🧵
Botten
03-05-2022, 01:18 AM
Another Republican talk up about support from Putin.
https://www.fox9.com/news/video-surfaces-of-minnesota-gubernatorial-candidate-sharing-support-from-putin
So many Republicans supporting Putin or praising Putin or double downing that praise to Putin during this war between Russia and Ukraine.
It’s almost like a RINO needs to remind these Trumptards:
No room in GOP ‘for apologists for Putin’ (https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/03/04/pence-hits-trump-no-room-in-gop-for-apologists-for-putin/)
*sigh such traitors… just like Trump.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 02:17 AM
Traitors? What are you talking about america isnt even involved in this war. (Except for starting it by admitting we wont be and letting russia walk in and take ukraine)
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 05:05 AM
god damn this war is crazy https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t75awm/russian_mi35_was_shot_down_by_ukrainian_air/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
lookn like BF2142
Gustoo
03-05-2022, 06:04 AM
Yeah I dunno how anyone in the united states can support Russia invading their neighbors under false pretenses. It's quite embarrassing.
Let's just assume its fake russian propoganda news.
Looks like Pence is positioning for candidacy in 2024. Wish we could come up with better guys.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 06:09 AM
holy shit I went back to watch that link because gustoos post and he straight up does NOT say anything supportive of putin, wow.
I swear to god if you people are what we want to call the good guys in america now, then I say lets nuke every god damn inch of this planet. I cant live like this.
Gustoo
03-05-2022, 06:10 AM
Oh I didn't watch any video just talking generally. I guess thats how fake news gets boosted.
I did look at the pence link, not sure why.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 06:11 AM
PHEW that was close
I just finished tying a noose.
Gustoo
03-05-2022, 06:12 AM
The link for the video has the quote "One day I was on the Moscow News because Moscow was making a big deal about in America, they’re so afraid of the truth that a doctor who tells the truth gets in trouble. Well, I never expected any help from Mr. Putin but I’m getting it," yeah its pretty weak quote. Pretty dumb.
I don't watch videos like that, ever. Too much shit it can put in my noggin, too much strain to filter.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 06:15 AM
The guy isnt even a politician but a candidate for one, Im sure saying things that are bad means he wont be a politician.
People think a candidate means that people already voted for him at this point.
Our civilisation is really dumber than I think we give it credit for.
Ask anyone and they all say the same thing "buy a house" thats all we have for advice anymore.
I feel like I live in idiocracy. People just stare at me with that "welcome to costco" look on their face and say, "buy a house"
What happened to all the spirit in this nation.
Im going on a tangent because I have been drinking.
But world war 3 is imminent because, we have no spirit anymore. The most spirit we have is hating Donald Trump. It's really sad.
We cant even get behind the guy shooting rockets into space.
Gustoo
03-05-2022, 06:25 AM
Don't worry about whether or not we have spirit my friend. You can have spirit anyways, and suddenly you will find yourself nearby and creating a lot of spirit. Thats where the spirit comes from . It comes from you. You gotta give it away and you will find you get more back then you put out there.
I agree. Everyone aspires to be a land lord one day, nowdays. Its pretty weird. When you hit age 60 and you own a house and you've never done anything besides watch tv and pay for a house you look around and think "what the fuck" then you wanna take advantage of your house money and its just enough for you to live in till you die and you don't really have the gusto to do anything other than watch tv and get back massages or something.
Gustoo
03-05-2022, 06:33 AM
Hate is a negative emotion with significantly inferior results to love.
If we chose to love our neighbor with the effort we put into hating our enemy, not only would we be helping people around us, but as a result our own life would be richer probably monetarily but also certainly higher quality of life which is superior to $$ anyways, we would also have the benefit of having forgiven someone and let their hurt out of our lives. And the problems our enemy creates would seem to heal themselves.
BlackBellamy
03-05-2022, 09:11 AM
We now join President Biden's press conference, in progress:
Question: Hi, are we still buying oil from Russia?
Answer: Yes.
Question: So we're writing checks to Russia even today?
Answer: Yes.
Question: And the Russians are using that money to support their armed forces?
Answer: Yes.
Question: Which they are using to kill thousands of Ukrainian civilians?
Answer: Yes
Question: And we are going to continue to buy this Russian oil and give them money?
Answer: Yes
Question: If we stop buying Russian oil the gas prices will raise?
Answer: Yes
Question: Mid-term election results are worth thousands of Ukrainian lives then?
Answer: The President continues to re-evaluate steps necessary for preventing Mr. Putin from doing what we told him he could do. This is still what we classify as a "minor incursion" and please remember the United States honors it's promises, and we have promised Mr. Putin little to no consequences. Until we upgrade the conflict to more than just a minor incursion, I'm afraid our hands are tied.
Question: Like the Ukrainian hands before they are shot by the Russians?
Answer: Yes.
Botten
03-05-2022, 10:31 AM
Complete exaggeration and gaslight interview questions for the Trump viewers.
I’m 2021 we only imported 3% of the oil we used from Russia
This year schedule for a bit more but even scholars quote that due to war Russia can’t make those type of exports and other nations.
Russia is reducing its oil exports because it’s using more fuel.
“Doing an invasion of the scale Russians are doing in Ukraine requires a lot of fuel, so their domestic use is going to go up,” Amy Myers Jaffe said. “So presumably, we’re going to see less exports of Russian oil, unless they increase production because their demand’s going up.”
starkind
03-05-2022, 10:36 AM
Feels bad man. I'm not eligible for the Ukrainian foreign legion. And I can't help Feed them right now. Or I would.
Best I can do is enable those around me to keep going. So those around them don't have to stop their efforts and turn away from Ukraine.
Wish I could do more than throw money at charities and pray it gets something good into Ukrainian hands. Even if it's just something for a crying kid to hold.
/\
BlackBellamy
03-05-2022, 10:44 AM
Complete exaggeration and gaslight interview questions for the Trump viewers.
I’m 2021 we only imported 3% of the oil we used from Russia
This year schedule for a bit more but even scholars quote that due to war Russia can’t make those type of exports and other nations.
I believe we are importing 670,000 barrels of oil and petroleum products a day from Russia.
Crude is selling for $115 a barrel today, I'm sure when the Russian deal was inked the prices were lower and we probably got a discounted price anyway. So let's slash that in half and some more. $50 sounds good?
Every day we write a check for $33,500,000 to the Russians and it goes right into Ural Tank Factory #3.
We could be buying that same 670k barrels from Saudi Arabia and you know, the two dozen other oil exporters who aren't Russia, but then we would be paying those people $50,000,000 for the same amount and you would feel it at the pump.
When you fill up, you fill up with Putin.
Stop driving. It's the only way to help Ukraine!
Botten
03-05-2022, 10:49 AM
Convoy length of military armament of heavy tanks and Armored trucks and artillery 39.8 miles long driving the stretch of more than the length of the US.
Russian forces Already complaining in Ukraine they are out of fuel and we have these silly interviews expecting Russia to export normal amounts of oil.
Got to love the right gaslighting their viewers.
BlackBellamy
03-05-2022, 11:05 AM
Convoy length of military armament of heavy tanks and Armored trucks and artillery 39.8 miles long driving the stretch of more than the length of the US.
Russian forces Already complaining in Ukraine they are out of fuel and we have these silly interviews expecting Russia to export normal amounts of oil.
I'm not sure you understand how logistics works. Russia has a gigantic surplus of oil. They are tied for 2nd place with Saudi Arabia for oil production; only the US produces more. Russia will never run out of oil.
The problem is getting that oil from the refinery to the front line. That's the problem. There are a billion barrels of Russian diesel ready to be poured into the vehicles, but it's all hundreds if not thousands miles away.
The Russians never planned for these types of fuel requirements. Remember Biden promised them a cakewalk, and then using his Genius-Level-Senile-8th-Dimensional-Chess he turned the tables and trapped Putin in a quagmire.
Botten
03-05-2022, 11:25 AM
I'm not sure you understand how logistics works. Russia has a gigantic surplus of oil. They are tied for 2nd place with Saudi Arabia for oil production; only the US produces more.
Oh good we aren't in a war and we need more oil but produce the most.
But Russia is in a war and media has reported Russian military armaments are running out of fuel.
Yeah, well Russia has some work ahead of them; refining and more.
No problems for-seen there.
And fueling their 39.8 mile long convoy still on the way to the Ukraine.
BlackBellamy
03-05-2022, 11:37 AM
Forget the helicopter getting shot down, I mean yeah it's nice footage.
The interesting thing here is the drone. The Ukrainians are using drones to spot helicopters and relaying that to their Stinger teams.
A radar can pick up helicopters but it needs to on high ground and exposed and it's also active, which means a Russian missile incoming within 2 minutes.
A drone is invisible. It's just a dot. And it costs three hundred dollars.
5IgoMxN-pEA
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 12:06 PM
Looks like Pence is positioning for candidacy in 2024. Wish we could come up with better guys.
Pence had his hour on January 6 and it was mighty fine. God bless the dumb son of a bitch.
I believe we are importing 670,000 barrels of oil and petroleum products a day from Russia.
Crude is selling for $115 a barrel today, I'm sure when the Russian deal was inked the prices were lower and we probably got a discounted price anyway. So let's slash that in half and some more. $50 sounds good?
Every day we write a check for $33,500,000 to the Russians and it goes right into Ural Tank Factory #3.
We could be buying that same 670k barrels from Saudi Arabia and you know, the two dozen other oil exporters who aren't Russia, but then we would be paying those people $50,000,000 for the same amount and you would feel it at the pump.
When you fill up, you fill up with Putin.
Stop driving. It's the only way to help Ukraine!
We'd be in breach if we stopped suddenly. More lawyers on us than a Midtown hooker!
starkind
03-05-2022, 12:12 PM
The people in power in Russia have invested a lot in trying to build more modern infrastructure. We should ignore Putin and call their bluff with a promise of aid and Tesla spaceships before Russia has nothingleft to lose /\
starkind
03-05-2022, 12:45 PM
On a serious note.. FYI Russia is starting to lose artillery. Going to make it hard for them to defend any sort of position.
Also cheep $300 drones being applied to great effect in this war.
We're seeing a complete change in conventional warfare. Disposable weapons. Intel. Communication is strong on Ukraines side. Russia keeps losing high value assets like AA, generals, etc.
There was even a city where unarmed civilians turned away conscripts.
It's a brave new world.
https://i.imgur.com/aNvQjM3.jpeg
Elizondo
03-05-2022, 12:52 PM
On a serious note.. FYI Russia is starting to lose artillery. Going to make it hard for them to defend any sort of position.
Also cheep $300 drones being applied to great effect in this war.
We're seeing a complete change in conventional warfare. Disposable weapons. Intel. Communication is strong on Ukraines side. Russia keeps losing high value assets like AA, generals, etc.
There was even a city where unarmed civilians turned away conscripts.
It's a brave new world.
https://i.imgur.com/aNvQjM3.jpeg
'The Kyiv Independent'
Brah ....
starkind
03-05-2022, 12:56 PM
'The Kyiv Independent'
Brah ....
Best source on the planet for real news rn 🌻🇺🇦
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 02:45 PM
We haven’t seen a shock and awe campaign yet.
That’s the difference between the United States and Russia.
In Russia they tried not to kill civilians.
In the USA we went straight for their throats so much so that we renamed blitzkrieg into something new.
I’m not pro Putin here I’m just saying that we are worse.
Also you can expect a lot worse coming soon in the Ukraine because we haven’t seen their version of that yet which obviously they are going to escalate to if they continue to lose ground.
I mean short of some sort of Russian coupe… which I think is wishful thinking.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 02:47 PM
I think this is just proof of every thing that I’ve claimed in this thread since the beginning this is a 20 year psyop by a secret organization of people that want to take over the world.
We now join President Biden's press conference, in progress:
Question: Hi, are we still buying oil from Russia?
Answer: Yes.
Question: So we're writing checks to Russia even today?
Answer: Yes.
Question: And the Russians are using that money to support their armed forces?
Answer: Yes.
Question: Which they are using to kill thousands of Ukrainian civilians?
Answer: Yes
Question: And we are going to continue to buy this Russian oil and give them money?
Answer: Yes
Question: If we stop buying Russian oil the gas prices will raise?
Answer: Yes
Question: Mid-term election results are worth thousands of Ukrainian lives then?
Answer: The President continues to re-evaluate steps necessary for preventing Mr. Putin from doing what we told him he could do. This is still what we classify as a "minor incursion" and please remember the United States honors it's promises, and we have promised Mr. Putin little to no consequences. Until we upgrade the conflict to more than just a minor incursion, I'm afraid our hands are tied.
Question: Like the Ukrainian hands before they are shot by the Russians?
Answer: Yes.
Horza
03-05-2022, 02:50 PM
I’m not pro Putin here I’m just saying that we are worse.
:o
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 02:51 PM
We are awful sorry you think blowing up cars of kids is not just as bad if not worse.
Our history goes 50 years of incursions into others.
Stop being a Busher.
You are an absolute retard saying criticizing the USA is being pro putin. You pull the same stupid shit with trump, criticizing biden you said was pro Trump.
You're such a fool.
BlackBellamy
03-05-2022, 02:54 PM
Fight for Ukraine
https://fightforua.org/
https://i.imgur.com/yYweMJ0.jpg
So here you go. Seven steps to glory!
If you ever wanted to kill Russians while getting shelled by artillery, this is it. Put up or shut up. The Lord Thy God has never made it easier to fight evil. It's literally a Crusade!
Never in my life lol...
You can sign up for war on the internet. Have vpn will travel.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 02:56 PM
None of the folks here will though, even though yall seem pretty stoked about this war.
It reminds me of the flying tigers though. Makes me wonder if the folks that do sign up will be known throughout history as the real bad asses.
BlackBellamy
03-05-2022, 03:03 PM
You have no idea who is going to go fight. That's just you projecting because you want to be a real bad ass but if no one else is going then it's ok for you not to go too.
BlackBellamy
03-05-2022, 03:09 PM
But yes, this is the chance for glory and bad-assery.
Every single person who ever wanted to taste combat is heading over there. For most this will be the only chance to be in a real war.
Sure war is terrible and etc, most have zero idea what they're getting into.
Twenty, thirty years from now they will celebrating the World Legion who came to the Ukraine and bravely fought the Russians before everyone got all nuked to hell.
We need to start building Celebration Bunkers! We can't allow the Sovi...err...Russia to close the Celebration Bunker gap!
Trexller
03-05-2022, 03:17 PM
Nah man you're good, call them what they are
Putin and his cronies are Soviets through and through.
They aren't even fighting like its a modern war, every movement has been straight out of the ol' Soviet military doctrine.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 03:17 PM
That's just you projecting because you want to be a real bad ass but if no one else is going then it's ok for you not to go too.
Now this is projecting :o
I do NOT want to go fight in a war lol I'm the only one here staunchly anti war.
BlackBellamy
03-05-2022, 03:22 PM
Lol I'm not going to fight because I will never be given orders again.
Hey so the State Department was all like hey, if you're in Russia...
Americans in the country should "consider" leaving.
and today they're all like
The State Department Saturday issued new guidance to Americans in Russia, urging them to leave "immediately."
Immediately! Unless you want to be vaporized by the Space Force!
starkind
03-05-2022, 03:25 PM
I'm no warfriend. And any violence is against God's will. However killing out of love and a desire or intent to defend the meek is a lesser evil than allowing Satan to devour men women and children.
Putin is self harming. He needs our love. Whatever forms that love takes. As long as it indeed is love.
Not for fear. Vengeance. Or anger. For love. The sooner we bring the evildoers before God. The sooner they will be saved and so too will those who would be their victims.
/\
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 03:26 PM
Ok, well I am anti war, and not going to fight because of that.
Which is a lot cooler reason to stay at home and play everquest.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 03:29 PM
If amerca spent 100% of its time talking about piece, and holding candle lit vigils for ukraine across the nation every night like the million pussy march when trump got elected.
MAYBE
then the russians would think we didnt hate them and stop listening to putin.
but we spew so much anti russian, pro war shit online, that all someone in russia has to do is look at reddit front page to mentally confirm all the propaganda they see on russian TV.
We're LOVING this war. We WANT this war. The people of earth are ready to consume each other.
The messiah is imminent.
starkind
03-05-2022, 03:32 PM
Jibartik, how do you feel about sending fortified bread, stuffed animals, IV fluids, bandages and Bibles to Ukraine? How do you feel about a M.A.S.H. unit?
starkind
03-05-2022, 03:33 PM
If amerca spent 100% of its time talking about piece, and holding candle lit vigils for ukraine across the nation every night like the million pussy march when trump got elected.
MAYBE
then the russians would think we didnt hate them and stop listening to putin.
but we spew so much anti russian, pro war shit online, that all someone in russia has to do is look at reddit front page to mentally confirm all the propaganda they see on russian TV.
We're LOVING this war. We WANT this war. The people of earth are ready to consume each other.
The messiah is imminent.
Tru enough.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 03:34 PM
Most influential country that identifies as an attack helicopter shocked when another country invades its neighbor.
starkind
03-05-2022, 03:36 PM
If Putin makes Russia and America hate eachother. He succeeded. Even if he drives his own people into North Korean levels of subservience and poverty. Any internal revolt, pressure is then made insubstantial.
I'm calling it now. Russia was in trouble and they needed to downsize their military. Or anyone who could have run a successful coup.
Knowledge
03-05-2022, 03:36 PM
This is the End. Beautiful friend, the End. I'll never look into your eyes. Again.
starkind
03-05-2022, 03:38 PM
Most influential country that identifies as an attack helicopter shocked when another country invades its neighbor.
Your argument is undeniably true. That soldier from the US that was jailed for saying we didn't have to follow orders or kill civilians trending hard right now tho.. (news from 2010)
Don't lose hope Jibartik!
/\
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 03:41 PM
If Putin makes Russia and America hate eachother. He succeeded.
The democrats made this happen.
Unless you believe them that trump was a Russian psyop to make us hate russia.
2015:
https://i.imgur.com/1q1j2mn.png
https://i.imgur.com/oKpsDyr.png
2016:
https://i.imgur.com/paJEibk.png
Trexller
03-05-2022, 03:43 PM
yeah for real i was in a state of constant "SMH" back when hilary sold our uranium to putin then trump gets elected and she screams THE RUSSIANS ARE THE ENEMY
so, you sold uranium to our enemy? bullshit.
these people are all in it together, at our expense, if you can't see that, just go back to your couch, that's where they want you.
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 03:47 PM
so, you sold uranium to our enemy? bullshit.
yes, fake news.
Mblake1981
03-05-2022, 03:47 PM
https://i.imgur.com/oKpsDyr.png
FTlgotBnW_A
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 03:51 PM
The democrats made this happen.
Unless you believe them that trump was a Russian psyop to make us hate russia.
2015:
https://i.imgur.com/1q1j2mn.png
We've come a long long way together (https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/02/07/remarks-vice-president-munich-security-conference)
Trexller
03-05-2022, 03:52 PM
yes, fake news.
no, she did do that, can look into the deal she orchestrated, its pretty complicated, you gotta follow a trail.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 03:54 PM
We've come a long long way together (https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/02/07/remarks-vice-president-munich-security-conference)
2015
All of us, we all invested in a type of Russia we hoped -— and still hope -— will emerge one day: a Russia integrated into the world economy; more prosperous, more invested in the international order.
2016
Here's What We Know So Far About Russia's 2016 Meddling. When Russia set out to interfere with the 2016 election, it went all out.
Mblake1981
03-05-2022, 03:59 PM
2014 (https://twitter.com/fatdragonpro/status/1491229206625546240)
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 04:08 PM
2015
2016
2009, after Georgian Rose Revolution:
https://i.imgur.com/1q1j2mn.png
2014, after Crimea:
KjmjqlOPd6A
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 04:15 PM
2015
But if you forgive me, NATO is not a self-sustaining organization. It doesn't fund itself. Just come with me to my constituencies and ask them whether or not we should primarily fund it. Ask my Senate colleagues and my House colleagues who are here. Every NATO country needs to meet its commitment to devote 2 percent of its GDP to defense. I realize not all can do it now. But it’s a shared security, and shared security requires shared responsibility.
:D
Mblake1981
03-05-2022, 04:36 PM
https://i.imgur.com/GTb4EdO.png
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 04:48 PM
FYI it wasnt bush in the white house when they invaded then, it was old man joe.
Funny how that is, is how it be.
starkind
03-05-2022, 04:51 PM
Pretty sure Zelenskyy is on God's side. So even if he is captured and tortured Zelenskyy wins and is forever remembered for the good deeds he did standing by his people.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 04:53 PM
Beware if he loses 1 eye or survives a mortal wound.
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 04:57 PM
FYI it wasnt bush in the white house when they invaded then, it was old man joe.
Funny how that is, is how it be.
Georgia was under Dubya.
Just like Laura!!
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 05:05 PM
I was speaking to the 2009 & 2014 years you put there. Those were uncle joe 1.0
Yeah the destabilization came during 2004. Proof that Biden is part of that same crime family.
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 05:10 PM
I was speaking to the 2009 & 2014 years you put there. Those were uncle joe 1.0
Yeah the destabilization came during 2004. Proof that Biden is part of that same crime family.
Yeah they tried to fool us again in Crimea(2014) and we didn't go for it. Hence the open hostility since.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 05:12 PM
There was no open hostility in 2015 we were still high on the progress we were making.
We gave them 2014. (because this is an illuminaiti plot)
starkind
03-05-2022, 05:13 PM
Beware if he loses 1 eye or survives a mortal wound.
(Ftfy)
https://i.imgur.com/S5WL3HL.jpeg
Is the color and emblem right for the imperial galactic forces? Looks great to me! :p
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Jibartik
03-05-2022, 05:14 PM
This is a great season of game of thrones I hope its not like that mountain fight.
That ukraine bomb with wings logo is like the sickest warhammer clan logo
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 05:15 PM
There was no open hostility in 2015 we were still high on the progress we were making.
The linked Biden Speech is from February 2015. The Hillary anti-Russia stuff from the other thread is from 2014.
Are you guys trying to prove the Dems were right about Russia(and by extension TROMP) or something wtf you secret squirrels?
starkind
03-05-2022, 05:16 PM
This is a great season of game of thrones I hope its not like that mountain fight.
That ukraine bomb with wings logo is like the sickest warhammer clan logo
I was holding this in reserve. I don't think I need to tho!
https://i.imgur.com/bJehrcZ.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/tki4hrb.jpeg
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 05:16 PM
Im not one to change my mind because I read one speech.
America between 2009-2015 was trying to make relations with russia work, and I believe we were heading in the right direction.
In 2016 the rhetoric of THE NATION changed.
We did hit the reset button.
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 05:18 PM
Im not one to change my mind because I read one speech.
What about two?
https://i.imgur.com/DFm1XRp.gif
We did hit the reset button.
in 2009.
starkind
03-05-2022, 05:25 PM
I agree that 2016 was a bad year for Putin and Trump.
Tooo bad cuz Hillary could have saved Russia lol. ! (That was a troll, low class, below the belt rly)
This is the God Emperor Volodymyr Zelenskyy I's timeline tho.
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 05:27 PM
Well, if there is one thing I think we can take away from all this is, the universe is a simulation, because it follows the same video game and movie sequel rule of 3.
starkind
03-05-2022, 05:39 PM
Life is full of great ironies. Cherish it all. Give thanks and gratitude. /\
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 05:56 PM
Life is full of great ironies.
Top post on the page in the other thread right now implies this is true lol
BlackBellamy
03-05-2022, 06:16 PM
Hahahaha pretty funny pages of retards arguing which American administration is to blame for everything. The answer is every one exactly equally. There you go.
Always the cigarettes. I bet that man didn't even smoke before yesterday. But there you are, give someone a Stinger and it's like he shot down a helicopter already.
https://i.imgur.com/P8oQWVE.jpg
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 06:26 PM
Id agree with you but you cant change the fact that during 1 administration right in the middle of 20 years of conflict Russia stopped invading for 4 years.
starkind
03-05-2022, 06:29 PM
Even if you're going to hell for a good reason gotta get prepped for the fires!
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 06:29 PM
Id agree with you but you cant change the fact that during 1 administration right in the middle of 20 years of conflict Russia stopped invading for 4 years.
Only because Tromp was willing to grant them influence without a fight. :(
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 06:31 PM
ohhh ohhhh the mysterious influence!
ohhhh if they have influence that's bad!!!
sorry world war 3 < mysterious influence red herring
thousands of dead ukrainians and russians < mysterious influence red herring
america under trump = less wars, less military spending.
FACTS
Elizondo
03-05-2022, 06:34 PM
Only because Tromp was willing to grant them influence without a fight. :(
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-nuclear-deal-threatened-by-russian-demands-over-ukraine-sanctions-11646487044?mod=e2tw
ohhh ohhhh the mysterious influence!
ohhhh if they have influence that's bad!!!
sorry world war 3 < mysterious influence red herring
thousands of dead ukrainians and russians < mysterious influence red herring
america under trump = less wars, less military spending.
FACTS
Biden partially funding russian bombs falling on Ukraine as he backroom deals with Russia to give Iran yellowcake that can be stored in .. wait for it... Russia
Don't mind Reewa. he just a low iq troll
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 06:39 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-nuclear-deal-threatened-by-russian-demands-over-ukraine-sanctions-11646487044?mod=e2tw
cs7KDH5ZyfM
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 07:25 PM
new track just dropped
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Reiwa
03-05-2022, 07:36 PM
KHJzoD7Tww8
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 07:46 PM
World war 1 feels more like world war 3, where world war 2 felt like it was basically starwars but in 1940, like the enemies looked like friggen warhammer characters and all the characters involved were like clear enemies:
A demigod
A propagandist
A mad scientist
A secret intelligenc guy
like its like the team that mad eup the nazis were like the xmen of evil, while the germans did world war 1 for what? some kind of horse that the other country wouldnt sell them?
And russia is like, we want to take this empty can and put it over here with these other empty cans and then just sit in the cold and say these are our cans
like man, that one war was really the crem de la crem of wars.
Trexller
03-05-2022, 07:57 PM
WWII was a damn good war for sure.
it had every literary element of a good story, and alot more
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 07:59 PM
If world war 3 is like the exact same reason as world war 2 but for russia instead of germany, and like, with putin as hitler. Im going to be a bit disappointed at the characters and motivation for that season.
It's like the newest starwars movies kind of, but with even less interseting characters.
Like, even world war 2 had this grand finale where the boss bad guys were like doing thanos stuff.
Now it's just that weird putin guy shrugging and a bunch and talking sitting down to a room of like 12 people.
Botten
03-05-2022, 08:04 PM
Damn it is like every day Republicans be working for Putin.
GOP Sens. Rubio, Daines face backlash for sharing photos of Zelensky on social media after being asked to protect his safety (https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-zelensky-safety-rubio-daines-shared-images-social-media-2022-3)
Reiwa
03-05-2022, 08:13 PM
Damn it is like every day Republicans be working for Putin.
GOP Sens. Rubio, Daines face backlash for sharing photos of Zelensky on social media after being asked to protect his safety (https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-zelensky-safety-rubio-daines-shared-images-social-media-2022-3)
Uhh he went on a Zoom call and their staffs took screenshots of them talking to him?
Q LEVEL CLEARANCE INFORMATION
Jibartik
03-05-2022, 08:26 PM
world war 3 would stack up with #2 if the antichrist shows up for it.
unsunghero
03-05-2022, 08:27 PM
Uhh he went on a Zoom call and their staffs took screenshots of them talking to him?
Q LEVEL CLEARANCE INFORMATION
It is cool, however, how worldwide media has abstained from showing pictures or talking about Ukraine troop position, but will talk about Russia position all day lol
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 03:54 AM
this dude is lit i cant even believe I am in the same timeline as this guy
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t7rc7m/every_meter_of_our_ukrainian_land_won_by_protest/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Knowledge
03-06-2022, 09:32 AM
WW3 doesn't begin till the first nuke flies.
starkind
03-06-2022, 10:33 AM
Interradasting (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1500301348780199937.html).
New_Guy
03-06-2022, 10:41 AM
Even after a global nuclear war there are many places you could survive and rebuild civilization. However most people will starve or die from exposure to the elements.
Only those with a strong knowledge of mechanical and electrical engineering and the foresight to stockpile medicines and necessary supplies will have a chance at a long fruitful life.
starkind
03-06-2022, 10:45 AM
Looking less and less likely that the big red button will even work.
I think we should be preparing to feed starving Ukrainians, Russians, and Africans (they get a lot of UK,RU grain).
Botten
03-06-2022, 12:23 PM
March 6th, 2022
Trump muses on war with Russia and praises Kim Jong Un (https://news.yahoo.com/president-trump-praises-kim-jong-155848169.html)
Oh it is just Trump the Traitor is just praising dictators again.
Penish
03-06-2022, 12:30 PM
typical american, instead of blaming yourself for electing orange's and degenerative brain disorders you keep pointing fingers
fucking simps
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 12:54 PM
So it sure seems like Russia is going to lose this war for sure…
Obviously they can’t break the Ukrainians spirit.
So boring massive public executions the people will never let them occupy the territory.
And massive public executions are not going to help them occupied the territory anymore either… so sounds like a stalemate?
But in a stalemate while invading another country the invader Hass to leave so that means it’s not a stalemate it’s a loss for them in a victory for Ukraine.
Which that means that Putin will be cannibalized by his people right?
At this point I just don’t see how there could be a Russian victory here… am I wrong?
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 12:55 PM
typical american, instead of blaming yourself for electing orange's and degenerative brain disorders you keep pointing fingers
fucking simps
We’re talking about that time the Democrats nominated Hillary instead of Bernie right because that’s why Trump was president, not because of people voting for Trump.
Topgunben
03-06-2022, 12:59 PM
So it sure seems like Russia is going to lose this war for sure…
Obviously they can’t break the Ukrainians spirit.
So boring massive public executions the people will never let them occupy the territory.
And massive public executions are not going to help them occupied the territory anymore either… so sounds like a stalemate?
But in a stalemate while invading another country the invader Hass to leave so that means it’s not a stalemate it’s a loss for them in a victory for Ukraine.
Which that means that Putin will be cannibalized by his people right?
At this point I just don’t see how there could be a Russian victory here… am I wrong?
I am assuming you meant barring and not boring. It seems like mass public executions only work when no one knows it’s going on, which is nearly impossible in todays world.
I did think that maybe if Russia starves Ukraine into submission, that might deplete Ukraines morale. But from what the News is telling me, Russians are out of food as well.
An army marches on its stomach
- some important historical person
BlackBellamy
03-06-2022, 12:59 PM
typical american, instead of blaming yourself for electing orange's and degenerative brain disorders you keep pointing fingers
fucking simps
So...you're also pointing a finger...rrrright?
Like you don't have a cogent point, just a slur with your finger stretched right out.
What are you, some sort of typical american?
BlackBellamy
03-06-2022, 01:01 PM
We’re talking about that time the Democrats nominated Hillary instead of Bernie right because that’s why Trump was president, not because of people voting for Trump.
I thought he was talking about Wilson!
Wilson was a terrible president, one of the worst ever, also with brain disease. No one has ever presented a good argument for our involvement in WW1.
Our getting into WW1 directly led to rise of Hitler and WW2. If we stayed home things would have worked out a lot better for everyone.
starkind
03-06-2022, 01:06 PM
Putin was a childhood victim of the "cold war". :o
Now he's creating another generation of victims.
This sucks.
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 01:08 PM
lol yes I mean barring, not boring lmao I am not like this IRL:
https://i.imgur.com/keva2De.png
I am assuming you meant barring and not boring. It seems like mass public executions only work when no one knows it’s going on, which is nearly impossible in todays world.
I did think that maybe if Russia starves Ukraine into submission, that might deplete Ukraines morale. But from what the News is telling me, Russians are out of food as well.
An army marches on its stomach
- some important historical person
Yeah AFAIK russia is worse off in the starving scenario than the ukrainians.
Like the ukrainainas can be like, "We will starve as long as it takes! Fuck you Russia die!" The russias would be like, "Ive been hearing some conflicting things about us freeing these ukrainians from fascists....."
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 01:20 PM
Hmm I am usually swayed super quickly day by day during these global events. Like last few days I read about the war and think, no way they are going to be able to control these people, they've already lost!
but then again I often find that me, a person, knows very little about what nations are capable of.. I saw this video that I suspect a propagandist could easily spin as "fascists helping the rich, killing the poor, this is why we free ukraine!" So I guess it would be possible to convince Russia that they need to occupy Ukraine if they are able to control their media.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t7xf3o/interestingly_some_ukrainian_civilians_accused/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
I guess what I am saying is that even though it seems like there is no way for russia to win, this is a crazy world.
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 01:30 PM
Sorry for the reddit spam, but if you can show me a place where I can see this many better videos I would like to hear it. I cant stand reddit either.
I heard someone say the plan is to turn russia back into the soviet union full blown, 2x north koreas on either side of the CCP.
Stopping people and checking their digital papers (phones) (https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t80jj1/police_officers_in_moscow_today_are_stopping/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Riot spillover (mostly peaceful protest) in St Petersburg. (https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t7z4v4/in_st_petersburg_they_try_to_release_detainees/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Patriam1066
03-06-2022, 01:47 PM
Russians who aren’t brain dead are leaving for finland and istanbul. Sadly, the same may happen in Ukraine. The people who stay will be resigned to their fate
This is why Iranians in the US or Canada are decidedly less brain dead / less Islamic than back in the mother country. It follows the same pattern. The people who stay are either the type who support what is happening, or, as is much more often the case, they’d rather stay and endure in their home than flee abroad and lose their culture, family, home, etc
As for what happens in Ukraine, I don’t think any of us know. As I’ve said from the beginning, I think Putin does his best to make russia back into a Soviet totalitarian state, and based on what’s happening in places like Kiev, he’ll bombard the country into fleeing for Europe, and most will never return. Hopefully we in the west remain motivated to never remove sanctions against Russia, even once Putin leaves, until all Russia possessions outside of Russia proper are returned (transnistria, Ukraine, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Armenia, Syria, Libya, Kazakhstan, Belarus)
Probably won’t happen, which is a shame. A lot of people call other people Hitler, but Putin is the real deal. He’s destined for the ninth circle
Topgunben
03-06-2022, 01:58 PM
Hmm I am usually swayed super quickly day by day during these global events. Like last few days I read about the war and think, no way they are going to be able to control these people, they've already lost!
but then again I often find that me, a person, knows very little about what nations are capable of.. I saw this video that I suspect a propagandist could easily spin as "fascists helping the rich, killing the poor, this is why we free ukraine!" So I guess it would be possible to convince Russia that they need to occupy Ukraine if they are able to control their media.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t7xf3o/interestingly_some_ukrainian_civilians_accused/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
I guess what I am saying is that even though it seems like there is no way for russia to win, this is a crazy world.
It’s nuanced. I hate to use that word just cuz.
Things aren’t so black and white. For myself being a religious person, it was hard to find the in between in right and wrong. Biblically, a good tree can not bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good. Every tree that brings forth evil is supposed to be hewn down and cast into the fire. But conversely Jesus saves us from our sins and forgives us for bad actions. Peter denied knowing Jesus 3 times, yet was made the head of the church days after.
So even with Ukraines president, he has done some shitty things in the past, ripe with corruption, supposedly imprisoned political opponents. But he is standing up against a Goliath, when weeks ago, it seemed impossible for Ukraine to win this at all.
unsunghero
03-06-2022, 02:04 PM
It’s nuanced. I hate to use that word just cuz.
Things aren’t so black and white. For myself being a religious person, it was hard to find the in between in right and wrong. Biblically, a good tree can not bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good. Every tree that brings forth evil is supposed to be hewn down and cast into the fire. But conversely Jesus saves us from our sins and forgives us for bad actions. Peter denied knowing Jesus 3 times, yet was made the head of the church days after.
So even with Ukraines president, he has done some shitty things in the past, ripe with corruption, supposedly imprisoned political opponents. But he is standing up against a Goliath, when weeks ago, it seemed impossible for Ukraine to win this at all.
Yea people keep saying this fighting is for the right of a democracy to remain a democracy. While it is definitely better than Russia, Ukraine’s gov’t still has some sketchy elements, I heard
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 02:04 PM
This is why Iranians in the US or Canada are decidedly less brain dead / less Islamic than back in the mother country. It follows the same pattern. The people who stay are either the type who support what is happening, or, as is much more often the case, they’d rather stay and endure in their home than flee abroad and lose their culture, family, home, etc
This is the core part of my argument about how the cultural identity of the democrat party of today, were the ones that started the civil war in 1860, because at the time the south was the new frontier of technology, using cotton machines and industrial slave armies to build incredible wealth. The progressives wanted small goverment so they could continue to do this.
Then during the agriboom the progressives wanted big goverment because they needed infrastructure to move their food they were growing out west around the nation.
the first progressives in the USA lived in the cities building ports. Then they became the conservatives (republican party) during the lead up tto the civil war, because they were unwilling to head out to the new world down south and learn new industries and exploit workers.
The next progressives left the south and moved onto the midwest during the agriboom. There they became reliant on big goverment because they needed infrastructure to move their crops and food around the nation.
Meanwhile the folks who lived in the south and didnt leave, became the new conservatives, unwilling to go out and build industrial farms.
The cities became a hub again, as the global economy grew, and the progressives moved (back) to them next. While the conservatives stayed farming in the midwest.
Basically wherever the new frontier is, the democrat/progressives go. Wherever the older generation unwilling to just steamroll into the future, exploiting workers during the industrial revolution, using slaves, building industrial waste farms, creating wars for a global economy... is all what the progressive new horizon (SATAN) can offer.
Horza
03-06-2022, 02:17 PM
lol a solid third of the last three pages are Jib bitching about Democrats cheating his rape daddy out of the White House.
Topgunben
03-06-2022, 02:18 PM
lol a solid third of the last three pages are Jib bitching about Democrats cheating his rape daddy out of the White House.
Why are you here?
Horza
03-06-2022, 02:20 PM
Why are you here?
Somebody has to keep you Trumptards honest :p
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 02:21 PM
No it's not horza lol not even one post is about that. Take your meds.
Toxigen
03-06-2022, 02:22 PM
how many silver chitin wristbands will be enough for horza until he moves on from 24/7 perma frenzy camp and shitposting off topic?
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 02:25 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t7xecd/more_russian_transport_trucks_are_on_the_way/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
🤦 this war gonna look like a game of Day-Z
Knowledge
03-06-2022, 02:55 PM
Lock her up!!
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 03:32 PM
Putin staying to his demands.
I think patrim is right, an endless shelling to push anyone whos left out of ukraine, but I think his plan is to create economic stress on EU and destabilize it with refugee crissis and immigration problems, and push people into more and more partisan bickering.
Ideally we would all start fighting each other, so he could just continue being himself without us objecting.
Gustoo
03-06-2022, 03:56 PM
Refugees are easy to deal with when they are welcome.
Gustoo
03-06-2022, 04:14 PM
Even cheap artillery shells cost money.
As Moscow loses resources and Europe stands United in solidarity with Ukraine Moscows hopes of victory will fade away.
Putin didn’t get to be where he is without knowing when to cut losses and bail out
Penish
03-06-2022, 04:16 PM
will a population of hypnotized low iq / work ethic drunks take over, why is this a conversation?
Dolalin
03-06-2022, 04:27 PM
Supposedly the Polish govt is going to get a backfill of F16's from the Americans if they give their old MiGs to the Ukrainians. This is now in the works at the highest levels. Ukraine should get their planes soon.
Dolalin
03-06-2022, 04:35 PM
Putin has seen his nuclear scaremongering work. Everyone thinks he's a madman with his finger on the trigger and NATO won't get involved directly.
I think cowing to these threats is a mistake. I think it's emboldened him.
What happens in a few days or weeks when Russia starts running out of money and resources? Putin has no way out of this. Ukraine is now do or die for him. If he loses he's finished, personally, probably with a bullet to the head.
His only trump card left is his nukes.
I've seen it suggested he could try a test detonation up in the North Sea, or a tactical nuke somewhere in Ukraine, just to up the ante with shock and awe. I believe this is possible. When dictators are cornered, all they can do is escalate further. That's his only survival path right now.
That being said, I also read the leaked FSB analysis that's been going around, and it talks down the Russian nuclear arsenal as probably mostly mothballed and in disrepair. The plutonium cores need to be replaced every 10 years and the odds this maintenance has been kept up for the whole fleet is laughable. Putin also does not have a big red button to press -- there is a chain of command all the way down.
So I believe the best course of action here is to call his bluff on the nukes. Give the Ukrainians absolutely everything they ask for, and make clear to Putin that if he escalates with nukes in any way, NATO will move in to Ukraine.
Probably the happy path now is for a palace coup and that bullet to come quickly.
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 04:44 PM
I cant imagine if a nuke goes off that the world wont say, thats it lets take russia.
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 04:45 PM
Refugees are easy to deal with when they are welcome.
nobody is welcome after the parade is over.
Reiwa
03-06-2022, 04:46 PM
Supposedly the Polish govt is going to get a backfill of F16's from the Americans if they give their old MiGs to the Ukrainians. This is now in the works at the highest levels. Ukraine should get their planes soon.
Has Russia established air superiority over all of Ukraine or even the conflict zones?
Like where is the goalpost? I actively dislike reading lies.
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 04:48 PM
That's 1 ghost of kiev per.
BlackBellamy
03-06-2022, 05:01 PM
Putin has no way out of this.
His only trump card left is his nukes.
So I believe the best course of action here is to call his bluff on the nukes.
The best course of action is buy the dip! You want to dump everything into options right now. If you're wrong you won't have to pay because well nuclear fucking holocaust. A big glowing margin call!
Professional analysts agree!!!
https://i.imgur.com/UyLTMIz.jpg
A 10% chance of civilization-ending global nuclear war within the next 12 months.
Stay bullish!
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 05:05 PM
I cant tell if that is a picture of my erection or a graph.
BlackBellamy
03-06-2022, 05:09 PM
I have been ignoring existential risk as a factor in my investment strategy. I feel that's prudent for a growing a stable portfolio and is a proper risk-mitigation effort. I have adopted that strategy ever since I ate a bunch of mushrooms and realized that my life was about as insignificant as the grain of sand I was looking at and also talking to and decided to dump all my resources into a Czechoslovakian furniture cleaning cooperative.
Elizondo
03-06-2022, 05:22 PM
Let's start a World War over a country nobody cares about
Don't think that has ever happened before. I could be wrong tho
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 05:23 PM
I couldnt find poland on a map of poland.
BlackBellamy
03-06-2022, 05:28 PM
Should we have a post-apocalyptic meet up? Or just wait till the forums are up again?
BlackBellamy
03-06-2022, 05:29 PM
Let's start a World War over a country nobody cares about
Don't think that has ever happened before. I could be wrong tho
No one ever gave a shit about Serbia but they managed to start two European wars.
BlackBellamy
03-06-2022, 05:30 PM
Ukraine is more important than Serbia so we're good on the causus belli.
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 05:31 PM
Should we have a post-apocalyptic meet up? Or just wait till the forums are up again?
If the grid goes down Im going to colorado.
Elizondo
03-06-2022, 05:44 PM
No one ever gave a shit about Serbia but they managed to start two European wars.
Yea but we're talkin about a world war with big dogs that carry nuke sticks right now bro
Serbia is a NATO ally now. :cool:
Well yea that's exactly what Russia is trying to prevent. More NATO expansion. This is not a mystery.
Reiwa
03-06-2022, 05:44 PM
Ukraine is more important than Serbia so we're good on the causus belli.
Serbia is a NATO ally now. :cool:
An interesting phenomenon is emerging in Ukraine. 11 million Russians have relatives in Ukraine, and Ukrainians are finding that when they communicate with their Russian relatives, they are being told there is no war, Zelensky is a Nazi, Russian soldiers are only in the east, they are passing out food and blankets, Kiev hasn't been touched, and the only strikes are precision strikes on military infrastructure. Anything else, they say, is fake news. Yes, the very people who are watching these things happen, are being told by their Russian relatives that it is fake news. Ukrainians have described the phenomenon as 'surreal'.
Sound familiar?
Trump applied the Putin psyop playbook to the United States with stunning success, driving a wedge into the vulnerable minds of humanity's less intelligent-- typically the elderly, boomers, the uneducated, the uninformed, and it is seemingly just as successful in Russia as it was in the United States.
This is nothing other than a psychological sickness, a vulnerability in the human psyche that autocrats, kleptocrats, and other bad actors have learned to weaponize with great skill. I'm really hoping we find a cure, some way to counteract this. In the hands of someone like Trump, but more intelligent and capable, this has the capacity to continue to result in the destruction of our society, as the people who control the reins slowly dismantle our institutions while the brainwashed cheer them on.
This has always been a vulnerability in the human mind and in our social dynamics, but without the internet and social networking, it could never be weaponized this effectively, until now.
Who knew that the term viral would be so prophetic, because that's exactly what this is; a cognitive virus, just like religion, just like political tribalism.
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 06:36 PM
I just realized that putin could just withdraw all his troops and say they succeeded and his people wouldnt know the difference. So this could end whenever.
Jibartik
03-06-2022, 06:38 PM
Sound familiar?
Yeah it's like 50 years of the democrats sledgehammering our economy and believing the whole time it was all the republicans fault.
Yeah it's like 50 years of the democrats sledgehammering our economy and believing the whole time it was all the republicans fault.
Whataboutism is how the virus defends itself when the infected schema is challenged.
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