Spawn timer change suggestion

[oldschoolguy]

Hi guys,

Just want to make a slight suggestion. When we played classic in 1999 and such servers weren't top heavy, important epic spawns weren't camped 24/7 with LR sold off for obscene plat that only exist in permanently unemployed world. But some of that is here, and part of the problem is long spawn timers on mobs that are only used for epic quests.

I've started on Enchanter epic, fairly useless epic, just for fun mostly to see if I can haste guild during raids mana free (it has no other value really). Quickly found out that Verina and Vessel are perma camped and their LR are sold for very high amounts. It's not classic experience to pay ransom to high level guilds to complete a quest that your own guild can do. And a fix for this would be simple, make their re-spawn only few hours instead of several days. This would make it possible to actually get for others. And I'm sure same can be said for other epic mobs for other classes that likely have exact same problem.

I really don't get why people take a fan server so ultra seriously that they no life that stuff, none of this matters, it won't pay bills, or feed family, it's just nostalgia and entertainment that few awesome dudes brought back to us free of charge out of passion dev hours. It doesn't need to be that silly competitive.

Just feedback.

[Worry]

You're gonna be attacked for this, but you're 100% right and unfortunately are just a minority in the community with this view.

[ReoDobbs]

Hi guys,

Just want to make a slight suggestion. When we played classic in 1999 and such servers weren't top heavy, important epic spawns weren't camped 24/7 with LR sold off for obscene plat that only exist in permanently unemployed world. But some of that is here, and part of the problem is long spawn timers on mobs that are only used for epic quests.

I've started on Enchanter epic, fairly useless epic, just for fun mostly to see if I can haste guild during raids mana free (it has no other value really). Quickly found out that Verina and Vessel are perma camped and their LR are sold for very high amounts. It's not classic experience to pay ransom to high level guilds to complete a quest that your own guild can do. And a fix for this would be simple, make their re-spawn only few hours instead of several days. This would make it possible to actually get for others. And I'm sure same can be said for other epic mobs for other classes that likely have exact same problem.

I really don't get why people take a fan server so ultra seriously that they no life that stuff, none of this matters, it won't pay bills, or feed family, it's just nostalgia and entertainment that few awesome dudes brought back to us free of charge out of passion dev hours. It doesn't need to be that silly competitive.

Just feedback.

"Paying a ransom". I don't think I've heard a better explanation than this. There's nothing classic about this behavior but I expect the neckbeards will be in here with torches and pitchforks saying differently

[branamil]

You're right of course

[karadin]

Hi guys,

Just want to make a slight suggestion. When we played classic in 1999 and such servers weren't top heavy, important epic spawns weren't camped 24/7 with LR sold off for obscene plat that only exist in permanently unemployed world. But some of that is here, and part of the problem is long spawn timers on mobs that are only used for epic quests.

I've started on Enchanter epic, fairly useless epic, just for fun mostly to see if I can haste guild during raids mana free (it has no other value really). Quickly found out that Verina and Vessel are perma camped and their LR are sold for very high amounts. It's not classic experience to pay ransom to high level guilds to complete a quest that your own guild can do. And a fix for this would be simple, make their re-spawn only few hours instead of several days. This would make it possible to actually get for others. And I'm sure same can be said for other epic mobs for other classes that likely have exact same problem.

I really don't get why people take a fan server so ultra seriously that they no life that stuff, none of this matters, it won't pay bills, or feed family, it's just nostalgia and entertainment that few awesome dudes brought back to us free of charge out of passion dev hours. It doesn't need to be that silly competitive.

Just feedback.

People need plat in this game. Due to the scarcity and utility of those mobs, it became a cash camp. It's a means to an end. If people weren't constantly rolling new enchanters and seeking epics for them there would be no market. Blue has a healthy population and in order to enjoy that you need to cope with the reality that scarcity is amplified.

I have never camped those mobs nor do I ever plan on it, but the fact that there is so much value in them is what makes me enjoy p99 blue/green so much. I think anyone can appreciate your concerns, but it sort of comes with the territory. You can go on red and find these mobs up all the time because nobody cares about that server, or you can stay here and fight for your piece of the pie and enjoy the rewards that much more. I empathize with your situation, nevertheless.

[Harvest]

Very good posy and you are mostly right.

I don't agree that respawns should be every few hours. I think instead epic LR selling should be banned. If you don't need it for your epic then don't camp it

[putrid_plum]

Really if they just ended MQ but that's 'classic' so they wont even if it brings out literally the worst in most people the absolute greed.

[getsome]

you cant mq the ench epic, the enchanters create the demand by buying em.

[ReoDobbs]

Really if they just ended MQ but that's 'classic' so they wont even if it brings out literally the worst in most people the absolute greed.

Meanwhile xp quests are the furthest from classic I've seen on any server

[zati]

Verina is usually up nowadays tbh on Blue. I've seen it sitting alive after a quake or naturally spawned for hours(or I'm just lucky). Best bet is to just create a level 1 DE and park it at her spawn point and log it in everytime you start/end an EQ session.. that's how I got mine.

Feyenu(sp) use to sell em a bunch at a reasonable price, but I don't see them online much... VD is definitely a poopsock still though, you'll need a friend or two to help you get it the moment it spawns. Is it the way it should be..? Prolly not but as others posted scarcity and the long journey kinda makes it worthwhile.

[Bardp1999]

In a weird way, scarcity is all P99 has going for it. That's why the TLPs are dead and 12 years later there are still people playing P99.

[cd288]

Verina is usually up nowadays tbh on Blue. I've seen it sitting alive after a quake or naturally spawned for hours(or I'm just lucky). Best bet is to just create a level 1 DE and park it at her spawn point and log it in everytime you start/end an EQ session.. that's how I got mine.

Feyenu(sp) use to sell em a bunch at a reasonable price, but I don't see them online much... VD is definitely a poopsock still though, you'll need a friend or two to help you get it the moment it spawns. Is it the way it should be..? Prolly not but as others posted scarcity and the long journey kinda makes it worthwhile.

What’s weird to me about some of these MQ situations is if you keep a mob on lockdown so no one else can kill it so that you can keep killing it for an MQ it’s fine. But hypothetically if you were able to, say, keep that same mob charmed in perpetuity and charge people for the right to kill it I’m guessing you would get suspended for zone disruption. So the result is the same in terms of your limiting someone’s access to the drop but one is legal and the other isn’t oddly enough.

Epic MQ sales should be prohibited

[Toxigen]

I've started on Enchanter epic, fairly useless epic, just for fun mostly to see if I can haste guild during raids mana free (it has no other value really).

rofl

[eisley]

Since this quest cannot be MQ'd, Enchanters only have themselves to blame. If they didn't buy loot rights, it would never be farmed.

It's a unique case, but I really have no pity in this case, because you really only have yourselves to blame.

Also, why would you ever think Enchanter epic is useless? That's just a bizarre thing to say.

[oldschoolguy]

Since this quest cannot be MQ'd, Enchanters only have themselves to blame. If they didn't buy loot rights, it would never be farmed.

It's a unique case, but I really have no pity in this case, because you really only have yourselves to blame.


- I don't think it is an enchanter specific problem, other classes for sure have same problem. I just don't play many classes, but realistically it's not unreasonable to think almost every class has this problem somewhere.

- "If they didn't buy loot rights, it would never be farmed" = "if you didn't want to pay taxes, they'd never tax you". Just pointing out the naive of the statement. All it takes is rare spawn that can be blocked. There are reasons why there are enforced scout rolls and calendars, to prevent toxic behavior from creating forced middle man.

[Toxigen]

If its such a useless item then why bother?

[Arvan]

A lot of people on here just need to seek employment or another reason for living other than everquest. Tis a sad tale.

[xdrcfrx]

dude camps VD and will delete the xolion rod if there's not anyone willing to meet his price, and somehow it's not his fault for doing it but is everyone else's instead. big yikes if that's how you think.

[Wrei]

Everything about classic EQ is unfair. Not sure in what fantasy land you imagined it to be, but even back on live I distinctively recall sweaty neckbeards farming the crap out of the evil eye for Manastones, the same way everyone and their mom had a level 1 parked in the Assassin room to get the pre nerf guise.

Having time variance, seeing mega zerg guilds park 5 different toons in 5 different targets so they instantly get 50+ on a batphone is equally obscene. Yet they chose to do this. So if they're willing to spend 18 hours cycling on a pop to sell an MQ then it's really their way of wasting time. I find it to be an incredibly inefficient way to spend their time on a very niche MQ market but everyone can waste their time online as they see fit.

The issue isn't so much trying to change the server but finding a solution that works. OP plays probably the biggest cash cow class on p99. Seb NG, Crypt (with help getting in), Disco, ABC, Velks BM, Lower Dogs, Chardok 6+ camps, Howling Stones S, PoM A4 etc.. they have the most ridiculous ways to make cash.

So instead of complaining about some rando lowlife who chooses to spend their time staring at an empty spot for 8+hours, why not spend your time online productively, one big cash items from any of the spots i mentioned means you don't have to sit around at that spot and actually buy the MQ on a schedule of your choice. Don't get mad, get even. That's just my two cents. Obviously if you had the misfortune of being a non enchanter, then yes I feel your pain.

[Arvan]

Everything about classic EQ is unfair. Not sure in what fantasy land you imagined it to be, but even back on live I distinctively recall sweaty neckbeards farming the crap out of the evil eye for Manastones, the same way everyone and their mom had a level 1 parked in the Assassin room to get the pre nerf guise.

Having time variance, seeing mega zerg guilds park 5 different toons in 5 different targets so they instantly get 50+ on a batphone is equally obscene. Yet they chose to do this. So if they're willing to spend 18 hours cycling on a pop to sell an MQ then it's really their way of wasting time. I find it to be an incredibly inefficient way to spend their time on a very niche MQ market but everyone can waste their time online as they see fit.

The issue isn't so much trying to change the server but finding a solution that works. OP plays probably the biggest cash cow class on p99. Seb NG, Crypt (with help getting in), Disco, ABC, Velks BM, Lower Dogs, Chardok 6+ camps, Howling Stones S, PoM A4 etc.. they have the most ridiculous ways to make cash.

So instead of complaining about some rando lowlife who chooses to spend their time staring at an empty spot for 8+hours, why not spend your time online productively, one big cash items from any of the spots i mentioned means you don't have to sit around at that spot and actually buy the MQ on a schedule of your choice. Don't get mad, get even. That's just my two cents. Obviously if you had the misfortune of being a non enchanter, then yes I feel your pain.

You too can be unemployed and camp p99 platinum all day just quit your day job!

[Wrei]

For most classes I'd agree the time sink vs reward is unfair but OP is an enchanter... prob the single class that could spend the least amount of time online and build a nice bankroll in no time to purchase whatever they needed.

[cd288]

For most classes I'd agree the time sink vs reward is unfair but OP is an enchanter... prob the single class that could spend the least amount of time online and build a nice bankroll in no time to purchase whatever they needed.

Technically yes but most of those items you sell to generate a ton of plat are almost perma camped also lol

[Leopaz]

I agree. Most of the game is just plain inaccessible to me since I don't live in my mom's basement. It's too much to ask if I ever try to get something for my one and only character versus someone's 12th alt.

[Twochain]

Hi guys,

Just want to make a slight suggestion. When we played classic in 1999 and such servers weren't top heavy, important epic spawns weren't camped 24/7 with LR sold off for obscene plat that only exist in permanently unemployed world. But some of that is here, and part of the problem is long spawn timers on mobs that are only used for epic quests.

I've started on Enchanter epic, fairly useless epic, just for fun mostly to see if I can haste guild during raids mana free (it has no other value really). Quickly found out that Verina and Vessel are perma camped and their LR are sold for very high amounts. It's not classic experience to pay ransom to high level guilds to complete a quest that your own guild can do. And a fix for this would be simple, make their re-spawn only few hours instead of several days. This would make it possible to actually get for others. And I'm sure same can be said for other epic mobs for other classes that likely have exact same problem.

I really don't get why people take a fan server so ultra seriously that they no life that stuff, none of this matters, it won't pay bills, or feed family, it's just nostalgia and entertainment that few awesome dudes brought back to us free of charge out of passion dev hours. It doesn't need to be that silly competitive.

Just feedback.

I have suggested before that the Enchanter Epic bottleneck pieces should be a roll off with an hour lockout. The fact that so many people can just set up some retired level 60 warrior at the spawn points and have SMS alerts to their phone when it pops is just... completely fucked up.

It seems like there were a decent amount of people who were FOR it, but I didn't hear anything back from anyone on how to set up a player agreement.

[loramin]

It seems like there were a decent amount of people who were FOR it, but I didn't hear anything back from anyone on how to set up a player agreement.

To setup a player agreement you just have to get every player at the camp to agree to it. And then get them to do it again the next week, and the next ... and then (at some undetermined point in time) the GMs will step in and start punishing anyone who violates it.

Or at least that's how we got the Shady Goblin player agreement in place (one of the first on Blue), and it's how similar agreements (eg. Angry Goblin) also got made ...

... but that approach seems kind of difficult here, as you'd have to browbeat all the Warriors out there to let Enchanters have their epic.

[Twochain]

To setup a player agreement you just have to get every player at the camp to agree to it. And then get them to do it again the next week, and the next ... and then (at some undetermined point in time) the GMs will step in and start punishing anyone who violates it.

Or at least that's how we got the Shady Goblin player agreement in place (one of the first on Blue), and it's how similar agreements (eg. Angry Goblin) also got made ...

... but that approach seems kind of difficult here, as you'd have to browbeat all the Warriors out there to let Enchanters have their epic.

Let alone poopsock the mob for 5 days

[Twochain]

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