Skyrim elder scrolls 5

[Marshee]

dude, this game will be so awesome, go look it up.
if your interested of course,

It's amazing they could follow up a game like oblivion with one
that looks even better.

nerdgasm

[Knuckle]

oblivion was complete and utter shit,the way luclin was for everquest. HOWEVER, I did love me some morrowind, I pray they fix the errors of their past.

[deathgirl]

oblivion sucks 10 morrowind dicks.
but what i don't get about skyrim is why some1 with the soul of a dragon who can also summon dragons is set out to destroy all teh dragons????

[Ostros]

Constantly wishing for Morrowind won't bring it back.

I like the way Skyrim is heading. I don't want another Morrowind, we already have Morrowind.

Just don't make another fucking Oblivion. Mods had to save that game and save it hard.

[purist]

so much oblivion hate, I had fun playing it

[azeth]

oblivion sucks 10 morrowind dicks.
but what i don't get about skyrim is why some1 with the soul of a dragon who can also summon dragons is set out to destroy all teh dragons????

per a ridiculously long interview with some dev of the project i've seen, this is part of the "mystery" (oOooooOOoo) of the story that he wouldn't discuss.

Also, if you loved Morrowind & EverQuest, you'd also identify Oblivion as absolute shit. It's not that bad, it really just turned an RPG into an Action/Adventure game though.

[bizzum]

Im right in the middle of a Morrowind game right now, just installed it last week, along with 50 or so addons to fix a bunch of the shitty aspects and add some extras that I wanted.

I suggest you all do the same!

I think you can see some errors fixed from Morrowind to Oblivion (however they added in a million shitty things so it masks some of those fixes), and I think they may actaully pay attention to the addons that people make that fix shit, because from some of the things I read a lot of the bullshit that I hated in the other two games and patched to fix through addons are going to be standard in Skyrim.

Just hoping it is more like Morrowind in a lot of respects though. The AI concepts sound great.

[Knuckle]

I swear to god if I see a single lip syncing NPC in any sort of preview i will hire lulz to ddos that shit into oblivion.....





pun intended, bitches.

[Fourthmeal]

oblivion was complete and utter shit,the way luclin was for everquest. HOWEVER, I did love me some morrowind, I pray they fix the errors of their past.

+10

[Aum]

Oblivions leveling system is what makes it fucking retarded. Play the game with a regular class and you're fucked if you level it normally.

[Pico]

oblivion was complete and utter shit,the way luclin was for everquest. HOWEVER, I did love me some morrowind, I pray they fix the errors of their past.

yeah really this is bang on, but i have no hopes. skyrim will be a piece of dick you heard it hear first. :(

[purist]

I just made my major skills abilities that I never use and can be easily leveled (conjuration, etc) and minor skills the ones that were actually the class I wanted to play (heavy armor, blade, etc) and manually controlled my level that way.

[Rifter]

You guys still playing Morrowind might wanna look into the Morrowind Sound and Graphics overhaul.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1196406-relz-morrowind-overhaul-sounds-graphics/

It will rape your machine but makes the game look crazy. I don't turn up the clip plane as high as in the screenshots cause it becomes very apparent how small the game world actually is with it way up. Comes with a great GUI to customize options.

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8179/48718356.png
http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/fms/images/mods/8987/1296754519_fullres.jpg

[Akim]

Let's be real. The only thing about oblivion that didn't suck when compared to morrowind was the graphics and spell casting system, and I had fun with the morag tong. The citys blew, almost as much as morrowinds expansions.

I always used a mod that changed the leveling system, the only way I could stand playing. And the fucking monotonous gates in oblivion!! God damn them. (and the useless team mates you got in the final battle before the gate opened, wow, I took my time to murder them too).


As for skyrim? PRE FUCKING ORDERED.

[Akim]

From the looks of it they incorporated a spell system that doesn't involve you going gimp and putting away the weapon.
http://www.elderscrolls.com/skyrim/media/screenshots/frost-troll-fight/
http://www.elderscrolls.com/skyrim/media/screenshots/wolves-heal-mace/

Plus the ui is sick.
http://www.elderscrolls.com/skyrim/media/screenshots/skills-menu/

[Heartbeats]

The thing that made Oblivion suck more than anything else was the items scaling with level. Morrowind gave me incentive to wander into random caves/crypts/etc because there was always a chance to find some badass stuff in there. Whereas with Oblivion, I purposely avoided finding good items cuz I didn't wanna gimp em by picking them up at level 10.

[Akim]

Yeah there had to be mass editing in the TES to fix that item scaling effect.

[bizzum]

Oblivions leveling system is what makes it fucking retarded. Play the game with a regular class and you're fucked if you level it normally.

Theres an addon for that, its pretty sweet and fixes all the stupid shit.

I swear to god if I see a single lip syncing NPC in any sort of preview i will hire lulz to ddos that shit into oblivion.....

I read on BBC today that lulz actaully did hit Bethsada, so maybe they are just as angry as you are!

I've read enough that I think there will be enough improvements to at least warrant the game a try. It might be decent, might not, but I had fun playing the last two games so eh, gonna give it a go.

[bizzum]

You guys still playing Morrowind might wanna look into the Morrowind Sound and Graphics overhaul.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1196406-relz-morrowind-overhaul-sounds-graphics/

It will rape your machine but makes the game look crazy. I don't turn up the clip plane as high as in the screenshots cause it becomes very apparent how small the game world actually is with it way up. Comes with a great GUI to customize options.

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8179/48718356.png
http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/fms/images/mods/8987/1296754519_fullres.jpg

Fuck man, I had installed Morrowind mainly because I can play it on my crap laptop while I'm in Japan, and now you just RUINED THAT. That graphics overhaul looks awesome.

[Japan]

I just made my major skills abilities that I never use and can be easily leveled (conjuration, etc) and minor skills the ones that were actually the class I wanted to play (heavy armor, blade, etc) and manually controlled my level that way.

some hoodrat shit to have to do to play a 2006 big budget game.

Oblivion had some play value in the gray fox/assassin quest lines, but skyrim needs to re-elevate the bar

[Akim]

some hoodrat shit to have to do to play a 2006 big budget game.

Oblivion had some play value in the gray fox/assassin quest lines, but skyrim needs to re-elevate the bar

hell yeah the half naked barbarians onto something, you're right the assassin quest line was the shit.

[Heartbeats]

hell yeah the half naked barbarians onto something, you're right the assassin quest line was the shit.

The only good part of that game really. I mean, I enjoyed and played the shit out of Oblivion, but it probably would have seemed alot better if it wasn't following up Morrowind. Those quests were the only part that really stood out to me. Did anyone else get the Boots of Blinding Speed and the 60% magic resist chest from that guy's tower (talking about Morrowind now)? Once I figured that shit out, it was the first two things I did with every character.

[Fourthmeal]

The only good part of that game really. I mean, I enjoyed and played the shit out of Oblivion, but it probably would have seemed alot better if it wasn't following up Morrowind. Those quests were the only part that really stood out to me. Did anyone else get the Boots of Blinding Speed and the 60% magic resist chest from that guy's tower (talking about Morrowind now)? Once I figured that shit out, it was the first two things I did with every character.

Haha. I just cast a 1 sec. 100% magic resist spell that I would make. That way you had perfect vision and super fast speed.

[Marshee]

Akim - the oblivion gates were monotonous, but the only point of them were the sigil stones. going and getting was like grinding through lvls on EQ. the dark brotherhood/ grey fox questlines were easily the best I do not disagree.

[Heartbeats]

Haha. I just cast a 1 sec. 100% magic resist spell that I would make. That way you had perfect vision and super fast speed.

Damn, smarter than what I did. Tho in Oblivion I made a sword with 100% vulnerability to magic (for 2 seconds), 100% vulnerability to fire (for 2 seconds), soul trap (for 2 seconds), and dumped the rest of the points into fire damage. You need azura's star so you can keep refreshing the charge on the sword. But that thing 3 shotted tops everything in the game, except 4 for the last boss. I'm super cool.

[Zadrian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9eGtyqz4gY

[xnolanx]

ehhh... imo i don't really like the whole dragon idea kinda like.... idk. i just don't like the concept one bit at all.. wish they could update morrowind with oblivion graphics and slight gameplay features here and there with basically morrowind on top of it

[azeth]

Just really hoping they didn't fill the "187 dungeons" with Diablo II monster fodder, and instead went the Morrowind route of having you use your head to get to the bottom.

I mean, how many mofuckin imps can a cave system support anyways? and why do Imps and ghosts get along so well?

[Zadrian]

ehhh... imo i don't really like the whole dragon idea kinda like.... idk. i just don't like the concept one bit at all.. wish they could update morrowind with oblivion graphics and slight gameplay features here and there with basically morrowind on top of it

They have a morrowind mod with updated graphics and sounds and customization.

Dragon fighting looks cool... although I doubt it's as random as they claim.

[Duma]

Bethesda is making the biggest mistake you can make. And it is the same one Peter Molyneux made with Fable.

Don't ever, EVER, try to bullshit people into thinking your game is going to deliver tons of revolutionary features and emergent gameplay when the damn thing was developed primarily ON AND FOR CONSOLES.

Since Daggerfall their games have gotten progressively more disappointing and mainstream.

[Stormhowl]

Skyrim will suck just like Oblivion sucked because they're developing it in tandem for both console and PC release. Want to know why Climbing and Levitation spells were taken out in Oblivion? Because of the way the XBOX handles the game, it couldn't handle having the player on the roofs of buildings.

Or how about how they gutted conversation options in Oblivion compared to Daggerfall / Morrowind? Or neutered spell casting to keep it from being "too OP"? Or destroyed side-quests to focus on a single long quest focusing on how great the player character is? And how the Septims are unquestionably good and pure and full of win and the Monster of the Week is unquestionably bad and a card carrying villain with no motives?

TES is crap beyond Morrowind. They destroyed a good franchise to cater to the BAWX crowd. I hope Skyrim is just as big of a failure as Oblivion was, because maybe then someone will get a clue and realize that Daggerfall and Morrowind were the best of the series and make a game more like that, rather than this withered husk we're left with.

[Harrison]

Morrowind wasn't THAT good. Oblivion was worse, but had its own points of improvement.

What they need to do is add a co-op multiplayer. Period.

[azeth]

There's this feel that Morrowind & Oblivion have to them, even on your first play through, that while the game is enormous and you could feasibly never run out of stuff to do (ex. picking all of the poppy flowers in Oblivion) - at any point you could main track the story line and finish the game in a few hours.

[jarshale]

This looks like it's casual as fuck and catering to the console kiddies. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it

[bluejam]

This looks like it's casual as fuck and catering to the console kiddies. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it

[Stormhowl]

This looks like it's casual as fuck and catering to the console kiddies. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it

You're not. Even IF you ignore the fact that, from the beginning of the game you're a character who is aware of his destiny and your job is clear cut with no ambiguity (quite the opposite of Daggerfall/Morrowind, where you are a nobody and no one cares who you are until near the end of the main story-line), game play videos already show:

-skill trees (think talent trees from WoW) which showcase the Action-Adventure nature of the game,
-an Inventory screen that shows graphical, 3D representations of every single item that can be rotated (what a needless waste of resources, I wonder what they squandered in quantity of content to deliver that pile of crap),
-voice acting (so you know they lost a ton of content just to jam as many voices onto the disk as possible, so BAWXERS don't need to read, cause, ya know, reading is hard)
-limited conversation options with NPCs (slightly more than Oblivion, but no where near the depth of Daggerfall/Morrowind)
-Quest compass, and failing that, if you STILL can't figure out where the hell you're going, you get an ability that lights a glowing trail that you can follow directly to your destination.

I wouldn't be surprised if side-quests and magic are all still neutered like they were in Oblivion. The game is shaping up to be a 12 year old BAWXER'S wet dream, much to the bane of real gamers (e.g., PC gamers).

Thank god there's still the Battlefield series, where the developers have taken a stand against the console market and are making a good game for the PC first then porting a crappier version to the console.

Edit: Case in point: This idiot here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLaAz3PtDY0 hypes up a ton of these features as if they are new or revolutionary. Dialogue depending on the NPCs disposition? That was old with Daggerfall. Crafting? Daggerfall. And all at the cost of what? A world even smaller than Morrowind (which, while smaller than Daggerfall, gained a lot in precise detail and hand-placed objects that flesh out the world), which means we're also sacrificing size of content as well as world lore. More gimmicky combat (finishing moves, perks, etc... that belong in an Action-Adventure, not an RPG), etc...etc... to any TES fan who played Daggerfall / Morrowind, it sounds like it'll be a crap game meant to cater to XBOXers. :(

[Shaun421]

I agree with everything you all have said about the consolfication of a great series.

Plus, no spears or cross bows... How are you going to have a game about killing Dragons and not have a spear or a cross bow. Seems like they would be pretty no brainer weapons to have while fighting dragons. Myabe it's just me.

Still going to play it and like it for a bit, but jsut really worried about console crap mechanics.

[Ostros]

-skill trees (think talent trees from WoW) which showcase the Action-Adventure nature of the game

......facepalm.jpg

-an Inventory screen that shows graphical, 3D representations of every single item that can be rotated (what a needless waste of resources, I wonder what they squandered in quantity of content to deliver that pile of crap)

Ugh. Really? A management system that allows custom configuration of your appearance?

I also wonder what they squandered in content by nearly tripling the amount and size of dungeons and actor dialog.

-voice acting (so you know they lost a ton of content just to jam as many voices onto the disk as possible, so BAWXERS don't need to read, cause, ya know, reading is hard)

Wow I thought I was bitter. Listen: shut up.

No, really. It's voice acting. It's called immersion. Just because the rest of the world is advancing and you're clinging to the golden era doesn't mean saying this kinda shit doesn't make you sound dumb.

-limited conversation options with NPCs (slightly more than Oblivion, but no where near the depth of Daggerfall/Morrowind)

Ok I can see a legitimate complaint about this.

Ahahaha oh wait, no, I've actually thrown precious days away playing the hell out of Morrowind and know for a fact that a ton of NPCs had copy/pasted text responses. :rolleyes:

-Quest compass, and failing that, if you STILL can't figure out where the hell you're going, you get an ability that lights a glowing trail that you can follow directly to your destination.

OH NO. :eek:

Turn it off. Christ. No one said you had to use it.



No one at Bethesda has any good bloody reason to make this game specifically to your overly picky tastes. Just play the game, and then when a massive amount of mods come out you can tweak the game. Have you played Oblivion modded before? No? Then go re-install and mod the shit out of it. It really does make it fun, not to mention even prettier than it already was.

[Stormhowl]

Ugh. Really? A management system that allows custom configuration of your appearance?

No, a system that literally shows a spinning, 3D representation of JUST the item, not on your character, not for customization. Solely to show off the item and how awesome it clearly is.

I also wonder what they squandered in content by nearly tripling the amount and size of dungeons and actor dialog.

Which still doesn't compare to the amount of content that was in Morrowind, which also didn't compare to the amount of content that was in Daggerfall.

No, really. It's voice acting. It's called immersion. Just because the rest of the world is advancing and you're clinging to the golden era doesn't mean saying this kinda shit doesn't make you sound dumb.

Gameplay > Graphics and things like voice acting, always. When quality and depth of a product is being sacrificed just to add in voice acting on a single disk, then it's an issue. Voice acting? Great. The fact that content has to be sacrificed to make sure it'll fit on a disk for the BAWX? Sucks.

Ahahaha oh wait, no, I've actually thrown precious days away playing the hell out of Morrowind and know for a fact that a ton of NPCs had copy/pasted text responses. :rolleyes:

At least in Daggerfall/Morrowind, you could ask for directions to nearly any major landmark in a city, as well as local gossip that may or may not lead to quests or be related to anything other than fleshing out local flavour. Can't even do that in Oblivion / Skyrim. The fact that some or most of those responses may have been copy-pasta is irrelevant, because you could at least do it in Daggerfall.

Course, you could also cast Levitate spells and climb walls with the right skills, but who cares about that right?

OH NO. :eek:

Turn it off. Christ. No one said you had to use it.

I never said it had to be used. My gripe is with the existence of a quest compass / quest trail in the first place.

No one at Bethesda has any good bloody reason to make this game specifically to your overly picky tastes.

/yawn

Put less words in my mouth, please.

Just play the game, and then when a massive amount of mods come out you can tweak the game. Have you played Oblivion modded before? No? Then go re-install and mod the shit out of it. It really does make it fun, not to mention even prettier than it already was.

I never bought Oblivion because I knew, as soon as it was designed in tandem with the BAWX, it would be crap. I refuse to support Bethesda by buying Oblivion or Skyrim, regardless of the existence of mods. I stand by my principles; I'll buy the new Battlefield game, even though I hate those types of games, JUST to support a development studio that stood up at E3 and said "What, did you honestly expect a console to be better than a PC game?" and designed the PC game to be better than the BAWX port. Whatever happened to integrity?

[Ostros]

Can't even do that in Oblivion / Skyrim.

IT'S NOT EVEN OUT YET. Could you possibly make me hate you even more?

[Stormhowl]

IT'S NOT EVEN OUT YET. Could you possibly make me hate you even more?

Gameplay videos on youtube and official previews from E3 show very limited conversation options, more akin to Oblivion than previous TES titles. Could it change? Sure, maybe it could, and then I will rescind my previous statements. However, considering how Oblivion turned out, and the fact they're insisting on voice acting, and that its being designed in tandem for the XBOX, I'm not holding my breath that Bethesda will deliver.

I have the decency not to "scream" at you, insult you, or talk down to you, I would ask you show the same respect for me otherwise I see no point in continuing this conversation.

[Ostros]

Gameplay videos on youtube and official previews from E3 show very limited conversation options, more akin to Oblivion than previous TES titles. Could it change? Sure, maybe it could, and then I will rescind my previous statements. However, considering how Oblivion turned out, and the fact they're insisting on voice acting, and that its being designed in tandem for the XBOX, I'm not holding my breath that Bethesda will deliver.

I have the decency not to "scream" at you, insult you, or talk down to you, I would ask you show the same respect for me otherwise I see no point in continuing this conversation.

No. You don't deserve it because you're being a pretentious moron. I'm not going to tell you nicely that the things you're saying have little to no merit. The fact that you use the term "BAWKS" un-ironically doesn't make it any better.

Seriously: If you know anything about the gaming industry you should know that all the videos you see right now gloriously under-represent the finished product.

However, considering how Oblivion turned out, and the fact they're insisting on voice acting, and that its being designed in tandem for the XBOX

Which logical fallacy do you want me to point out first? Your reasoning is terrible.

[azeth]

I hope BAWX developers soon identify the need to just come up with an Xbox OS, or Playstation OS because really 500-600 for a console is just absurd given what $600 can get you on Newegg

[Ostros]

I hope BAWX developers soon identify the need to just come up with an Xbox OS, or Playstation OS because really 500-600 for a console is just absurd given what $600 can get you on Newegg

Playstation's ceiling of development is higher isn't it? Microsoft just needs to make better product. When was the last time you heard of a Playstation having mass red rings? =P

Making an OS for them would just turn them into PCs. I support this idea wholeheartedly. We should quietly convert the masses to the glorious PC gamer master race. :D

[jarshale]

The problem is people would expect it to be a legitimate OS. Which would open doors to all kinds of hacking if it had that kind of openess. Plus cut into wIndows sales I'm sure

[azeth]

The problem is people would expect it to be a legitimate OS. Which would open doors to all kinds of hacking if it had that kind of openess. Plus cut into wIndows sales I'm sure

So why not make it a legitimate OS? I'd really love for a Playstation rep to identify why I, as a potential new customer, need to own both a Playstation and a PC (which I clearly already have as do 99.9% of 25-30 yr old caucasian males).

Shits dated, 10 years from now you'll likely have a graphics, sound, processor engine built into your 3d flat screen TV to take the place of both the PC & console.

[moklianne]

Morrowind wasn't THAT good. Oblivion was worse, but had its own points of improvement.

What they need to do is add a co-op multiplayer. Period.

Morrowind was good, but not amazing. Oblivion was great. I'm hoping that Skyrim will be even better.

All of you need to get off of the trolltrain that you use in other subforums here and actually say how you really feel about something instead of just spewing feces from habit. This whole thread has been a waste of a read.

[Zadrian]

Lol at the people taking video games seriously.

Go outside

[Ostros]

http://i.imgur.com/zkAkL.gif

[Duskofdead]

I also wonder what they squandered in content by nearly tripling the amount and size of dungeons and actor dialog.

Tripling the number of dungeons doesn't matter if they're still pointless auto-generated locations with levelled loot and levelled mobs and absolutely no reason to explore them because you're going to find the same enemies and the same treasure no matter where you go at a particular level.

Also, tripling the size doesn't impress me when many Oblivion dungeons were literally 2 or 3 rooms.

Wow I thought I was bitter. Listen: shut up.

No, really. It's voice acting. It's called immersion. Just because the rest of the world is advancing and you're clinging to the golden era doesn't mean saying this kinda shit doesn't make you sound dumb.

The ability to immerse is actually greater when you don't have an entire "world" voiced by the same 5 voiceactors giving exactly the same responses in the same voice for every member of the same gender & race. Also, the completely non-sensical conversations which were unintentionally comical because they were always abruptly cut off with "BYE" or "GOODBYE" at the most random moments.

Please, there really is no legitimate argument that voiceacting added to immersion in Oblivion when it was so poorly and inadequately implemented. The only concrete thing it definitely brought to the game was an appeal for the ADHD crowd too lazy to read. It took away more than it gave in the form of redundancy and the fact that dialogue was so cripplingly limited because it was tethered to available recorded voicefiles. Oh, additionally, it made adding mods or player-created content a joke because adding voiceover files to go along with a player-created quest or character very difficult and that's why there was, other than aesthetic/texture mods, a ridiculously smaller dedicated mod community and diversity of mods for Oblivion than for Morrowind. Most of the mods that *did* exist for Oblivion were aimed at FIXING what players considered to be a crappy launch game, such as ripping out the levelled loot or levelled mob systems and replacing the terrible console UI. Nearly all of the big-name mods for Oblivion that do more than just replace textures or graphics addressed those three problems and otherwise added very little.

Ok I can see a legitimate complaint about this.

Ahahaha oh wait, no, I've actually thrown precious days away playing the hell out of Morrowind and know for a fact that a ton of NPCs had copy/pasted text responses. :rolleyes:

Sure, some of it would be repeated from one NPC to another--- except you had ridiculously more possible dialogue choices, unlike Oblivion where *everything* is copy-pasted except for unique NPC introductions and you only get 1-2 dialogue choices. So if you were attempting to make the point that Oblivion improved after you dared to bring out the term "copy paste", you did a pretty horrible job. Copy paste is forgivable in a sitaution where there's a ton of content, so much so that you'll hardly notice the copy paste. It's not forgivable in a game where there's incredibly limited dialogue and all of it is copy paste and generic.

No one at Bethesda has any good bloody reason to make this game specifically to your overly picky tastes.

Overly picky taste? By that, I think you mean "the taste that any TES fan who started with a game other than Oblivion would have had." So yes, there is a reason to take that viewpoint into account: it's the viewpoint that carried this series for decades prior to the lobotomy that was Oblivion. Oblivion tried to capture not a bigger audience, but an entirely DIFFERENT audience, casual console players who don't touch in depth RPG's. Over at the official Bethesda forums for about two years after Oblivion came out there was a long-running thread asking players to name their top 10 favorite games of all time.

The significant majority of the people who put Morrowind in their top 10 list also put Daggerfall, and generally the rest of the list was RPG's.

The significant, noticeable majority of the people who put Oblivion in their top 10 list did not include any other TES games, and most of the rest of their list was generally big-title console action games or FPS games such as Halo and Grand Theft Auto.

Anyone who was a real TES fan (which I would define as someone who didn't just come into the series with Oblivion and which I strongly suspect excludes yourself) who saw that thread felt that it told volumes.

[Duskofdead]

Seriously: If you know anything about the gaming industry you should know that all the videos you see right now gloriously under-represent the finished product.

I heard someone say exactly the same thing when I played the open beta of Final Fantasy 14 and gave a scathing review of it as unplayably bad.

Every single Squeenix fanboy was saying *exactly* what you are saying, and they were all wrong. In fact, every fanboy of every overhyped game that made mistakes and released unfinished, buggy, in a poor state, or badly botched the recipe of its game series said exactly what you are saying. And after the game comes out and it's exactly like Oblivion X-2 and the only people who think it's fantastic are Oblivion Johnny come Latelies, you'll go back to your other refrain of "you're overly picky and a pretentious moron so you just can't appreciate what a great game it was", even though you were wrong about all the substantive things you defended about it.

It's ironic that you scream 'the game isn't even out yet' and yet you are defending it based on a sheer supposition that the game that's coming out in a few months is going to be fundamentally different from what we see being mass hyped and marketed by the developers themselves on the internet. Maybe it's you who should "learn the first thing about the gaming industry", because you sure don't sound like you know what you're talking about.

[Ostros]

I heard someone say exactly the same thing when I played the open beta of Final Fantasy 14 and gave a scathing review of it as unplayably bad.

Every single Squeenix fanboy was saying *exactly* what you are saying, and they were all wrong. In fact, every fanboy of every overhyped game that made mistakes and released unfinished, buggy, in a poor state, or badly botched the recipe of its game series said exactly what you are saying. And after the game comes out and it's exactly like Oblivion X-2 and the only people who think it's fantastic are Oblivion Johnny come Latelies, you'll go back to your other refrain of "you're overly picky and a pretentious moron so you just can't appreciate what a great game it was", even though you were wrong about all the substantive things you defended about it.

It's ironic that you scream 'the game isn't even out yet' and yet you are defending it based on a sheer supposition that the game that's coming out in a few months is going to be fundamentally different from what we see being mass hyped and marketed by the developers themselves on the internet. Maybe it's you who should "learn the first thing about the gaming industry", because you sure don't sound like you know what you're talking about.

It's Final Fantasy. It's bad because they've been fucking up since 8. Oblivion was only a half-screw up. It wasn't unplayable. Stow it.

I also never said Oblivion was great, what the hell are you talking about? I said it was great with mods. What I was defending was Skyrim, a good looking game that hasn't had enough details released to make a completely informed opinion on it, but yet everyone feels content to say it's going to suck.

Listen: stop talking.

By your own logic, you're retarded for defending the people who would bash an unreleased game which has the potential to be good.

Oh and:

It's ironic that you scream 'the game isn't even out yet' and yet you are defending it based on a sheer supposition that the game that's coming out in a few months is going to be fundamentally different from what we see being mass hyped and marketed by the developers themselves on the internet. Maybe it's you who should "learn the first thing about the gaming industry", because you sure don't sound like you know what you're talking about.

Fuck yourself. No game in the history of the industry has ever been fully known to the general public until release. The only exceptions are open betas. I never said it was going to be fundamentally different either. Actually read the damn posts next time. What I DID say is that they aren't telling us about the whole game. We don't know if the massive dungeons are going to be a copy paste fest. We don't know exactly how overhyped the dialog is (or even IF it is).

Also, this quote is what I was yelling about. I made the mistake of truncating it, so let me spell it out for you:

At least in Daggerfall/Morrowind, you could ask for directions to nearly any major landmark in a city, as well as local gossip that may or may not lead to quests or be related to anything other than fleshing out local flavour. Can't even do that in Oblivion / Skyrim.

No one has played this game. How the hell can you even ASSUME you can or can't do something in the game unless you've been explicitly told about it. Also fuck Stormhowl again, you got random quests by overhearing certain lines being spoken between NPC's in Oblivion.

This thread is a goddamn circlejerk.

[Stormhowl]

goodbye civil discourse. Say hello to unwarranted, unnecessary, and unprovoked flaming on a grand scale.

0/10
you mad bro?
etc... Etc...

history of previous game releases substantiate the arguments both me and Dusk made. If you can't handle that fact,its no reason for you to fly off the handle and throw a temper tantrum.

I look forward to Skyrim's release solely because I won't be wrong.

[Japan]

goodbye civil discourse. Say hello to unwarranted, unnecessary, and unprovoked flaming on a grand scale.

0/10
you mad bro?
etc... Etc...

history of previous game releases substantiate the arguments both me and Dusk made. If you can't handle that fact,its no reason for you to fly off the handle and throw a temper tantrum.

I look forward to Skyrim's release solely because I won't be wrong.

queer

[Taryth]

I sense much pain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0T_3kkpUXc) here.

[Zadrian]

goodbye civil discourse. Say hello to unwarranted, unnecessary, and unprovoked flaming on a grand scale.

0/10
you mad bro?
etc... Etc...

history of previous game releases substantiate the arguments both me and Dusk made. If you can't handle that fact,its no reason for you to fly off the handle and throw a temper tantrum.

I look forward to Skyrim's release solely because I won't be wrong.


I think the point that Ostros was trying to make that you're really just arguing a completely irrelevant point. Better yet, it seems like all of these long winded arguments that you are making are just there for you guys to agree with each other.

if you really enjoy elder scrolls, you'll find the good in the games and stop dwelling on whatever you consider the bad.

Chill out, it's a game.

[Ostros]

I think the point that Ostros was trying to make that you're really just arguing a completely irrelevant point. Better yet, it seems like all of these long winded arguments that you are making are just there for you guys to agree with each other.

if you really enjoy elder scrolls, you'll find the good in the games and stop dwelling on whatever you consider the bad.

Chill out, it's a game.

Put quaintly and politely, and not full of my hate, yes. That is exactly what I was saying.

I look forward to Skyrim's release solely because I won't be wrong.

You are worse than Zuranthium.

[Stormhowl]

I think the point that Ostros was trying to make that you're really just arguing a completely irrelevant point. Better yet, it seems like all of these long winded arguments that you are making are just there for you guys to agree with each other.

if you really enjoy elder scrolls, you'll find the good in the games and stop dwelling on whatever you consider the bad.

Chill out, it's a game.

if that was really, truly his point (which I find rather offtopic in a thread discussing Skyrim, not what constitutes a valid point), it was not by any stretch of the imagination clear within his posts due to the volume and severity of the crap he was flinging at anyone who was the least bit passionate about a discussion on game design related to an upcoming release.

further, it amazes me that he continues to throw crap around unprovoked when I told him publicly and privately I wished to have nothing more to do with him /shrug.

uphill battles yo, too strong, too strong.
we shall see who is right very soon: history, or Ostros

[purist]

Stormhowl sounds fat as hell.

[snwbrdr642]

IT'S NOT EVEN OUT YET. Could you possibly make me hate you even more?

your wrong.

fuck i even like obliv so i would be prone to agree with you, but you're totally fucking wrong and missing the point of his post.

[Stormhowl]

Fat? Queer? What is this, elementary school? Please, you think I care about these pathetic prepubescent insults? You think way too highly of the impact of your words if you think I care beyond posting to tell you I don't care. :)

[Japan]

posting to tell you I don't care. :)

sounds like you care, queer

[Ostros]

if that was really, truly his point (which I find rather offtopic in a thread discussing Skyrim, not what constitutes a valid point), it was not by any stretch of the imagination clear within his posts due to the volume and severity of the crap he was flinging at anyone who was the least bit passionate about a discussion on game design related to an upcoming release.

further, it amazes me that he continues to throw crap around unprovoked when I told him publicly and privately I wished to have nothing more to do with him /shrug.

uphill battles yo, too strong, too strong.
we shall see who is right very soon: history, or Ostros

Your constant vomiting of logical fallacies is astounding. Go be fat somewhere else.

your wrong.

fuck i even like obliv so i would be prone to agree with you, but you're totally fucking wrong and missing the point of his post.

0/10

[purist]

Fat? Queer? What is this, elementary school? Please, you think I care about these pathetic prepubescent insults? You think way too highly of the impact of your words if you think I care beyond posting to tell you I don't care. :)

Boy, do you like to lash out. You must be consumed by self-hatred. So personally threatened by others' opinions on the internet. How's being a red-faced, humorless, easily-offended fatty working out for you?

[Stormhowl]

Boy, do you like to lash out. You must be consumed by self-hatred. So personally threatened by others' opinions on the internet. How's being a red-faced, humorless, easily-offended fatty working out for you?

interpreting emotions from text: fail. ;)

[purist]

Interpreting weight from text. Success. ;)

[Ostros]

Interpreting weight from text. Success. ;)

<3

[jarshale]

It's like I'm really on /v/

[Knuckle]

Hi!

Yes - great advice - Agent 69 was the first of the hi-end airgurlz that I tried and it's difficult not to have a soft spot for her.

To some extent a choice depends on what one wants a doll for -
- to look at / dress / company
- to relieve sexual stress irrelevant of realism
- to be beside in bed as a presence, cuddle as substitute for an absent significant other, entangle with realistically flexibly

Certainly Agent 69 and also in particular Hannah Harper satisfy 1 and 2, indeed spectacularly.

Personally I have found that I enjoy foot contact whilst in action. Unfortunately one has to be conscious with the vinyl gurlz of the weakness of the seam of the vinyl at the back of the feet which is often the most common first leak that they display. Leaks around the neck can appear quite fast too with dolls whose flexibility of their head does not start to meet the flexibility of the vinyl body at the joint of the neck. There are other inflatable solutions which avoid such problems and I'm guessing that might be why you posted in the Latex section - but the vinyls do provide a good first experience.

[azeth]

Hi!

Yes - great advice - Agent 69 was the first of the hi-end airgurlz that I tried and it's difficult not to have a soft spot for her.

To some extent a choice depends on what one wants a doll for -
- to look at / dress / company
- to relieve sexual stress irrelevant of realism
- to be beside in bed as a presence, cuddle as substitute for an absent significant other, entangle with realistic flexibly
Certainly Agent 69 and also in particular Hannah Harper satisfy 1 and 2, indeed spectacularly.

Personally I have found that I enjoy foot contact whilst in action. Unfortunately one has to be conscious with the vinyl gurlz of the weakness of the seam of the vinyl at the back of the feet which is often the most common first leak that they display. Leaks around the neck can appear quite fast too with dolls whose flexibility of their head does not start to meet the flexibility of the vinyl body at the joint of the neck. There are other inflatable solutions which avoid such problems and I'm guessing that might be why you posted in the Latex section - but the vinyls do provides a good first experience.

[Zadrian]

if that was really, truly his point (which I find rather offtopic in a thread discussing Skyrim, not what constitutes a valid point), it was not by any stretch of the imagination clear within his posts due to the volume and severity of the crap he was flinging at anyone who was the least bit passionate about a discussion on game design related to an upcoming release.

further, it amazes me that he continues to throw crap around unprovoked when I told him publicly and privately I wished to have nothing more to do with him /shrug.

uphill battles yo, too strong, too strong.
we shall see who is right very soon: history, or Ostros

Again, you seem to miss the point. So I'll put it bluntly.. You're on here arguing over a game, stupid. The point that you are trying to make is an opinion that is yours.

Skyrim looks awesome. You want to sit and assume it'll be a crappy game because of "history"? Fine. Go on. All I know is that on 11-11-11, I will be enjoying my time running around Skyrim while you sit around all stuffy and bored because you prematurely hated Skyrim for some BS reason.

So I'll say it for a 3rd time. chill out. It's a game. Enjoy it.

edit: Had to add "stupid" to make it sound more blunt.

[username17]

I loved Oblivion, but didn't play it till well after release. No Morrowind experience.

I'm finding more and more that Sandbox games are my niche. I played Oblivion like a sandbox even if it wasn't meant to be played that way.
I loved being a vampire rogue, master of stealth.
Every time I went on a mission for the thieves guild I wouldn't kill, but I WOULD drink. Ahh

[Stormhowl]

Again, you seem to miss the point. So I'll put it bluntly.. You're on here arguing over a game, stupid. The point that you are trying to make is an opinion that is yours.

which has nothing to do with the thread. Moving on..

Skyrim looks awesome. You want to sit and assume it'll be a crappy game because of "history"? Fine. Go on. All I know is that on 11-11-11, I will be enjoying my time running around Skyrim while you sit around all stuffy and bored because you prematurely hated Skyrim for some BS reason.

So I'll say it for a 3rd time. chill out. It's a game. Enjoy it.

edit: Had to add "stupid" to make it sound more blunt.

if I missed oblivion (and what a bulet I dodged there!) and wasn't bored, why would I be bored by avoiding skyrim? /boggle

if you don't like heated discussion about video games then don't read them. Why come into a thread and talk down people and derail the thread because you think they're stupid for X reason?

chill out and stop letting it under your skin.

[Japan]

^^^^^
you're so absurdly gay dude

[Zadrian]

which has nothing to do with the thread. Moving on..



if I missed oblivion (and what a bulet I dodged there!) and wasn't bored, why would I be bored by avoiding skyrim? /boggle

if you don't like heated discussion about video games then don't read them. Why come into a thread and talk down people and derail the thread because you think they're stupid for X reason?

chill out and stop letting it under your skin.

Haha. You're actually attempting to bogard other people's insults towards you and turn them on me. You're clever.

Listen Nancy, it doesn't get under my skin at all. The fact that you put "heated discussion" and "video games" into the same sentence and tried to make a logical point shows your lack of comprehension skills.

What does get under my skin is stupid people. I don't mean the daily forum trolls, they are funny. I mean the people that try to justify their point of view about something miniscule such as a video game by over expressing their strong feelings towards game. Especially through their obvious ignorance of the subject.

You're silly.

Anyway, I wasn't derailing the thread since the OP was just attempting to point out that the game looks sweet.


But anyway, I'll keep replying to you, because you won't stop. And that is funny to me.

[Ostros]

But anyway, I'll keep replying to you, because you won't stop. And that is funny to me.

AND MY AXE!

[Stormhowl]

^^^^^
you're so absurdly gay dude

you have a Lucky Star avatar. Your opinion is invalid. Why the fixation with the gay thing anyways? You jelly?