Post here every time you are disappointed by no Green 2.0 news

[Fammaden]

Need new green ASAP.

[Loiterius]

Outside of getting another crack at one-time only drops, I’m not sure what the obsession with a new Green is. I played at launch of Green, and stopped within the next few days because it was near impossible to find a group due to the population.

I may be too causal a player, but outside of the dopamine hit of having Kunark and Velious being unlocked I don’t understand.

[Castle2.0]

Outside of getting another crack at one-time only drops, I’m not sure what the obsession with a new Green is. I played at launch of Green, and stopped within the next few days because it was near impossible to find a group due to the population.

I may be too causal a player, but outside of the dopamine hit of having Kunark and Velious being unlocked I don’t understand.

The population at launch was insane. How did you not find people to group with?

[Albanwr]

Make Teal Great Again

[Loiterius]

The population at launch was insane. How did you not find people to group with?

It wasn’t that there were too few people, it was that there were too many.

[Ikon me Knivet]

I think next new server might be the time I finally rectify all the regrets I have from live/classic. I want to get that Guise and Rubi armor - possibly even a Manastone if I’m feeling particularly masochistic. And while not missable in the same way, I’ve always wanted a Cloak of Flame as well. Ahhh, life goals, am I right?

[VincentVolaju]

Just thought I'd check in after like, I dunno, since Velious released?, to see if there was any news on Green 2.0. Doesn't look like it though huh? =(

[Fammaden]

Just thought I'd check in after like, I dunno, since Velious released?, to see if there was any news on Green 2.0. Doesn't look like it though huh? =(

Green timeline is over, we are all waiting for the announcement of green 2.0 any day now.

[Araxen]

Green 2.0 isn't for 4 months. Keep waiting.

[Fammaden]

Yes but an announcement for the plans would be nice. Is it in six months, or longer? Will there be changes to the list system or other mechanical items? Will a Teal server be on the table again or some other approach to overcrowding? And of course the biggest elephant in the room, merge to blue?

[cd288]

Frankly I think teal is kind of unnecessary. It was annoying for like the first 24 hours or so on green when everyone is packed into the newbie yard, but after that it’s fine. Pre split it was really cool seeing groups tackling camps that have been empty for a decade or more. I remember doing a group at a goblin camp in BB I had never even really notice before. Groups at orc camps and derv camps. It was all just really cool seeing people camping that stuff like the good old days.

Then the split happened and both servers were depopulated enough that all anyone had to do was go to the usual really popular spots and it just felt like leveling on P99 always does. Kind of lame.

[Fammaden]

Probably was annoying for more like the first three days I'd say, but Teal was launched on like day seven I think and by then there was a lot more spread with some people grinding hard, and a lot of the more casual were reaching 10+ at least and getting to spread out from the newbie areas and even the load.

I recall SRO being super crowded from the ogre/troll contingent after the first couple days, which was kinda cool in a way to see people xp'ing there, some soloing bugs and animals, others doing orc groups and shit. That's a zone which is usually just empty. Same with Lavastorm, people actually going there to find mobs to kill for their level.

But yeah in hindsight the crowds are a selling point and Teal probably went on far too long and was an overreaction. Maybe just make all the newbie yards have crazy short respawn timers for a week or something, I think that was done also but I forget the details.

[Castle2.0]

Teal was epic. Only the losers left behind were sad for the split.

[UndeadFroglock]

As a new player returning to play this wonderful game I wish I knew if a fresh server was being released

[Fammaden]

You deserve to experience it my undead frog pal.

[Castle2.0]

As a new player returning to play this wonderful game I wish I knew if a fresh server was being released

Soon™

[Zoolander]

there is one real main problem in everquest:

mudflation

[Fammaden]

there is one real main problem in everquest:

mudflation

New green fixes this.

[Castle2.0]

New green fixes this.

Nay, postpones.

[PlsNoBan]

Nay, postpones.

[ya.dingus]

Purge blue

[Coridan]

I just wanna know roughly when they plan to do it. My bet is on October for the 3 year anniversary of Green.

[Zeboim]

Was considering coming back to Green but it's hard to really commit EQ level time when a new server might be dropping any time soon. Teal was such a blast... Really miss that period.

[Windez]

I just wanna know roughly when they plan to do it. My bet is on October for the 3 year anniversary of Green.

The obvious choice for pure classic-ness is March 16.

Two and a half months after their given earliest date sounds good.

[fortior]

Mudflation can't be mitigated in a classic way in P99. The plat sinks just aren't there. Regular fresh servers would be great, though I imagine the population will decline depending on how many people enjoy going through the same classic journey over and over again. Personally I'd love to have an ongoing 'EQ timeline train' to hop on every so often, but I doubt Green launch will be recreated 1:1 the next time.

[Tewaz]

New green needs legacy items to not be removed and made no drop. Only thing to keep it from becoming an absolute neckbeard cluster.

[Zeboim]

New green needs legacy items to not be removed and made no drop. Only thing to keep it from becoming an absolute neckbeard cluster.

Manastone is never going to not be a neckbeard cluster.

But honestly who cares?

[Green to green]

i am pretty excited to see a new server.

[eqravenprince]

What's the difference in a fresh server vs blue/green right now? People just twink the shit out of their characters and/or powerlevel them. Would have a far better fresh experience and robust newbie/mid level game if we had the following and wouldn't even need to have new server.

1. Put level limits on items and buffs.
2. Put in anti powerleveling code to prevent bards/monks and whatever other classes do to powerlevel someone.

[Zeboim]

If somebody can manage to twink a character at the launch of a new server then more power to 'em. Only the neckbeardiest of neckbeards are doing that kind of thing in the first few months and trying to stop those people from abusing a 20 year old game they know back and forward is a waste of time anyway.

[TripSin]

I'm ready for new green. Let's go.

What's the difference in a fresh server vs blue/green right now? People just twink the shit out of their characters and/or powerlevel them. Would have a far better fresh experience and robust newbie/mid level game if we had the following and wouldn't even need to have new server.

1. Put level limits on items and buffs.
2. Put in anti powerleveling code to prevent bards/monks and whatever other classes do to powerlevel someone.

Zeb is right. I think you're overestimating how many loser neckbeards there are that will do that and that those kinds of people will find a way anyways most likely. I'm not saying there aren't plenty of loser neckbeards playing P99, but what you're talking about is super sweat, highest echelon neckbearding. And unless they're making a lot of bank with their RMT business, and probably still even if they are, their lives are probably pretty sad anyways so why not just let them have some "power" in a free-to-play emulator of a 20-year-old game.

[cd288]

The obvious choice for pure classic-ness is March 16.

Two and a half months after their given earliest date sounds good.

I would honestly love that. Would be cool to basically have the timeline following the same day/month dates

[Ooloo]

I would honestly love that. Would be cool to basically have the timeline following the same day/month dates

This was my biggest letdown about green. Velious originally released in the winter of 2000 (in the northeast). On green it came out in like the middle of summer, just wasn't the same.

[Castle2.0]

New green needs legacy items to not be removed and made no drop. Only thing to keep it from becoming an absolute neckbeard cluster.

Can't have so doesn't want others to have. Sad sad.

[Treefall]

I'm ready for new green. Let's go.



Zeb is right. I think you're overestimating how many loser neckbeards there are that will do that and that those kinds of people will find a way anyways most likely. I'm not saying there aren't plenty of loser neckbeards playing P99, but what you're talking about is super sweat, highest echelon neckbearding. And unless they're making a lot of bank with their RMT business, and probably still even if they are, their lives are probably pretty sad anyways so why not just let them have some "power" in a free-to-play emulator of a 20-year-old game.

I wouldn't consider myself a neckbeard at all but maybe I am.

I feel like that suggestion and your response is like why do you even play on this server? They have done all of that on live for you.

I play here periodically because they do not make those changes. If I wanted a different game I would play a different game. Maybe you should consider that option since you seem to think everyone here is a loser.

[Zeboim]

Fortunately it's actually pretty easy to avoid super sweaty neckbeards in the game, unlike here on the forums.

[Coridan]

What's the difference in a fresh server vs blue/green right now? People just twink the shit out of their characters and/or powerlevel them. Would have a far better fresh experience and robust newbie/mid level game if we had the following and wouldn't even need to have new server.

1. Put level limits on items and buffs.
2. Put in anti powerleveling code to prevent bards/monks and whatever other classes do to powerlevel someone.

New server has literally zero powerleveling/twinking. People actually go for Mino axes. There's 3 or 4 groups in every dungeon (Befallen, CB, BB, LGuk at least). It's a fresh economy and everyone being at the same level together makes it easier to form new friendships that will grow into the guilds.

[Eredhel]

I'm guessing some delay is at least good so that a guild wouldn't rush sleeper, kill immediately, and then everyone start waiting for the next green.

Really this was just an excuse for me to post because I want a new green too.

[Zeboim]

I'm guessing some delay is at least good so that a guild wouldn't rush sleeper, kill immediately, and then everyone start waiting for the next green.

Really this was just an excuse for me to post because I want a new green too.

It's not like anyone can rush Sleeper before Velious releases.

While I would certainly love them to disable/reset the Sleeper event and keep the Warders respawning forever in Green 2.0, that's a different discussion. You can't stop the sweat. If you give neckbeards the opportunity to 'Fuck You, Got Mine' they will take it every time. It's just a fact of the universe and there's no sense getting mad about it, and it isn't a problem for ~ 2 years of a new server.

[RoyalSequence]

I'm guessing some delay is at least good so that a guild wouldn't rush sleeper, kill immediately, and then everyone start waiting for the next green.

Really this was just an excuse for me to post because I want a new green too.

Same. New green please!

[cd288]

I'm guessing some delay is at least good so that a guild wouldn't rush sleeper, kill immediately, and then everyone start waiting for the next green.

Really this was just an excuse for me to post because I want a new green too.

Confused by this comment. Sleeper doesn't come out for like what nearly two years post-launch of a new server?

[Eredhel]

In other words there might be a tendency for killing sleeper to become the thing to do as soon as it's possible if it was a way to get a new green launch. So probably better to have a buffer. But really I was just posting something random because, "I want a new green server".

[Fammaden]

Another week has passed us by with no news of the next green server experience. Will there never be another one? Many are craving the excitement of a true naked start to an Everquest journey.

[Zoolander]

i cant wait to keep the spellbook open and to click the med button once again every time i sit!

[SenoraRaton]

So, the new server is launching, when?

[Indecisive]

i cant wait to keep the spellbook open and to click the med button once again every time i sit!

God, I almost forgot about that. Think I'll roll a melee this time around.

[Zeboim]

So, the new server is launching, when?

Where do you think we are? Somewhere that communicates with the players?

[Cen]

Look all I want this next time around is to have a dark elf paladin wearing hot pink erollsi armor and a flaming sword.

and a shaman

[UndeadFroglock]

I actually stopped levelling everything and decided to wait it out for a fresh server. Tired of the higher level toons rubbing it in how awesome they are by being 60 after a year or so of levelling. I will gladly hop on board once they have something fresh to get on.

[Fammaden]

People arguing on these forums about which server is better and doubting that another green will ever happen. We need some fresh P99 to look forward to instead of baseless speculation.

[Jibartik]

I actually stopped levelling everything and decided to wait it out for a fresh server. Tired of the higher level toons rubbing it in how awesome they are by being 60 after a year or so of levelling. I will gladly hop on board once they have something fresh to get on.

before green I was so hungry for green that I played the crap out of everquest doing stuff I was excited to do with green and was burnt out by the time it launched, so I think savoring the anticipation is the right thing to do, I want to play so bad right now.

[Swish]

It wasn’t that there were too few people, it was that there were too many.

Was fun locking down the throne room in Crushbone for 8 hours while people came and went on the "list"... it really was overcrowded.

Can't wait to try that again on red 2.0 when it launches <3

[cd288]

It was so cool seeing people grouping at derv camps on Antonica and the chessboard and goblin camps in BB. Brought back reminders of back in the day when groups would just form and camp random places like that because it wasn't all about min/maxing the efficiency of your exp per hour and people just didn't know about other places. On live for instance I never leveled in Paw or Mistmoore once (I knew the zones from being CSR but never exped in them)...you just didn't need to go to these places to find a group because there were random groups just everywhere out in the world.

I was on Blue the other day and saw a full group in the ruins outside KC pulling random trash mobs and I was stunned. Wouldn't have been surprised if they were actually getting better exp per hour than like the LCY group because there is no competition for mobs outside KC

[Fammaden]

Yeah, that's the sort of thing that was beautiful about a fresh and overcrowded server.

Just need to get rid of these stupid legacy items next time, they turn too much of the server culture into total greed and FOMO fest.

[Zeboim]

I've had more fun fighting over random spawns in Unrest, SK or UGuk than most of Velious to be honest. There's just something about Classic. Mind you, it's miserable as hell at 50 until we get the Planes, but I can forgive that for the absolute tension that is a fresh Hate or Fear break in with Classic geared 50s.

[SenoraRaton]

Was fun locking down the throne room in Crushbone for 8 hours while people came and went on the "list"... it really was overcrowded.

Can't wait to try that again on red 2.0 when it launches <3

I dunno I was at the front of the curve, and it was very nice to be able to weed out the chaff, and build decent groups with people who knew what they were doing. Guk was a madhouse, and I loved it. I really think Teal was unnecessary, and ultimately it actually hurt the whole vibe of the server.

[cd288]

I dunno I was at the front of the curve, and it was very nice to be able to weed out the chaff, and build decent groups with people who knew what they were doing. Guk was a madhouse, and I loved it. I really think Teal was unnecessary, and ultimately it actually hurt the whole vibe of the server.

I speculate that part of the reason for teal was that we had all these new people and the staff wanted to try and keep them engaged with the server for the long term and thought they’d lose them if they had to deal with overcrowding for the first couple days. In reality all those people left after a few months anyway

[Castle2.0]

Wrong and wrong.

Teal was awesome. I am guessing you stayed on Green and didn't get to experience Teal.

Entire guilds that were on Teal stuck around.

A lot of people left as they would regardless of if they were on Teal or Green.

[Zeboim]

If anything, the return to Green was a catalyst to quit. Should never have merged them back together. Classic just can't support that level of population.

[Ghost of Starman]

If anything, the return to Green was a catalyst to quit. Should never have merged them back together. Classic just can't support that level of population.

Instanced raiding would fix 90% of P99's problems.

[yaf]

Instanced raiding would fix 90% of P99's problems.

Sir we will not have that kind of non-gatekeeping talk around here.

[cd288]

If anything, the return to Green was a catalyst to quit. Should never have merged them back together. Classic just can't support that level of population.

Except most servers pre kunark had a higher populations by hundreds than green did…

But yeah you’re totally right man

[Zeboim]

Except most servers pre kunark had a higher populations by hundreds than green did…

But yeah you’re totally right man

That population wasn't 50 year old manchildren dedicating their life to killing all 2 major raid targets and dominating all 10 major endgame camps.

[cd288]

That population wasn't 50 year old manchildren dedicating their life to killing all 2 major raid targets and dominating all 10 major endgame camps.

Ah so now we see what you really want. It's not that "classic can't support that population" because overall it easily can. There are hundreds of camps and as we saw back in the day classic can easily support the population of Green at launch and then some.

But what you want is to be able to monopolize a camp of a big ticket item like manastone, Rubi BP, raid loot, etc. So what your statement should really be is "I don't like crowded classic servers with good population I can't get the really valuable items whenever I want"

[Zeboim]

Ah so now we see what you really want. It's not that "classic can't support that population" because overall it easily can. There are hundreds of camps and as we saw back in the day classic can easily support the population of Green at launch and then some.

But what you want is to be able to monopolize a camp of a big ticket item like manastone, Rubi BP, raid loot, etc. So what your statement should really be is "I don't like crowded classic servers with good population I can't get the really valuable items whenever I want"

That's a great strawman you've got there, but I honestly wouldn't even count most of those as really endgame camps considering the mobs involved. I could honestly not care any less about the legacy items and would be more than happy for them to all be removed or no dropped. What I'm talking about is how as far as Classic endgame zones we have what... LGuk, Perma, Sol B? Maybe Highkeep if we're talking just plat farm? And we're cramming 500-600 level 50s into this? Do we not remember the endless cycle of 200 people sitting in the entry hallway of Sol B waiting for Naggy? It's no wonder there was a population die off. The level distribution of the population on P99 is totally different from actual Classic so of course the game has different load tolerances.

[eqravenprince]

Turn off new character creation on Blue, Green 1.0 when Green 2.0 opens.

[Toxigen]

c u real soon (on blue)

[Menden]

10 minutes

[sajbert]

10 minutes

Sooner than anticipated but I'll take it.

[Bardp1999]

Why would the staff announce a new server or an expansion release? Better for the community that it just appears and everyone can be confused about what's happening.

[Castle2.0]

10 minutes

Menden confirmed Green 2.0 launch is imminent.

[Fammaden]

It is now August, no updates left to apply to green not even giving the blue QoL stuff it got last month.

Need new green ASAP. Rogean I beg.

[Fammaden]

Still no news, maybe an announcement when we hear about the next Labor Day weekend XP bonus?

[Dolalin]

I'm trying to wrap up original Splitpaw this week. Pretty sure I'm not the blocker on anything though.

[infoMaleick]

Any news today?

[Fammaden]

People are incredibly bored and trying to stir up racial/political debates in green general and RnF, bringing off topic garbage to the game forums.

We need new green plans to talk about instead!

[Eldamari]

Sounds like more and more calls for Green 2.0

[Fammaden]

Need new green ASAP!

[magnetaress]

Try red. At least while u wait.

A whole 12 of u could really shake up the box.

[Swish]

Red has many benefits and should be considered. Green is just a blue clone, try something different.

[Fammaden]

Clone the most popular game mode or the least popular one, hard choice.

[Fammaden]

Need new green ASAP.

[cd288]

Green 2.0 clearly going to happen based on the new patch notes

[eqravenprince]

Green 2.0 clearly going to happen based on the new patch notes

Yes, I was wondering why they had all these notes about dates and when it happened. It must be prepping for Green 2.0.

[Ananka]

I agree. I took it as good news that parts were moving when I read the patch notes dates update.

[Smuuglie]

Yes, I was wondering why they had all these notes about dates and when it happened. It must be prepping for Green 2.0.

I also noticed that, i thought it was in itself lowkey admittance :)

[Coridan]

They said back at the beginning that January would be the earliest. Could be gearing up for it but I expect March to line up with original timeline

[Blayde]

They said back at the beginning that January would be the earliest. Could be gearing up for it but I expect March to line up with original timeline

oh yes, clever. that actually makes a lot of sense.

[BenDerisgreat]

For the love of Brad, please announce new server ASAP! Kingdom has successfully ruined the raid scene with shameless and relentless petitions. Let them have their shot at uncontested ntov so those of us who enjoy the game and community can start over.

[Encroaching Death]

For the love of Brad, please announce new server ASAP! Kingdom has successfully ruined the raid scene with shameless and relentless petitions. Let them have their shot at uncontested ntov so those of us who enjoy the game and community can start over.

There's a new server

[Old_PVP]

Instanced raiding would fix 90% of P99's problems.

Meanwhile, PVP would fix 100% of P99’s problems.

[Agrimir]

Meanwhile, PVP would fix 100% of P99’s problems.

True, can't have any problems if nobody plays it.

[Chrossler]

This thread was made for me. I've been checking way too often. I don't want to play until the new green.

[VincentVolaju]

This thread was made for me. I've been checking way too often. I don't want to play until the new green.

Same. I keep coming back every couple days to check on Green 2.0 news, cause that's when I'll come play again. And each time I come here, I'm disappointed.

[Xer0]

oh hi. posting here, you know why.

[Ananka]

I check the forums everyday for news. It's currently December and I know the earliest date for an announcement would be January 2023 but I still check and sometimes twice a day. Every time I check it twice in a day I say to myself "What are you doing?" but I still do it from time to time.

[Xer0]

Meanwhile, PVP would fix 100% of P99’s problems.

the only thing pvp really accomplishes is stroking the ego of sweaty mcpoopsock as he sits at the zoneline with his rogue epic to kill unsuspecting travellers. No thank you!

[nemi]

I am a returning player from the original EQ Launch. I was thrilled to see this project 1999. So I make a character and jump in! I even went Cleric so I could be sure id find groups. But cant group with anyone - everyone on blue is maxed out and their twinks dont group for the most part, so I thought id try Green, even though its supposedly at the end of its life span? Same story - cant find groups. I was even encouraged to just not play and to wait for the Green Refresh/reset but I cannot find anything official on when/if it is actually going to happen. So my choices are play completely solo or wait for this Green 2.0? I am severely disappointed. Are there any suggestions for new players other than "just wait for X more months for the green reset". ?

[Trexller]

I am a returning player from the original EQ Launch. I was thrilled to see this project 1999. So I make a character and jump in! I even went Cleric so I could be sure id find groups. But cant group with anyone - everyone on blue is maxed out and their twinks dont group for the most part, so I thought id try Green, even though its supposedly at the end of its life span? Same story - cant find groups. I was even encouraged to just not play and to wait for the Green Refresh/reset but I cannot find anything official on when/if it is actually going to happen. So my choices are play completely solo or wait for this Green 2.0? I am severely disappointed. Are there any suggestions for new players other than "just wait for X more months for the green reset". ?

https://www.takproject.net

[loramin]

https://www.takproject.net

Indeed: there you can three-box with yourself when you can't find a group :rolleyes:

[loramin]

https://www.takproject.net

There you can three-box with yourself when you can't find a group (which is often, because most people there triple-box solo): problem solved! :rolleyes:

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/U4TFODQ.jpg

[eqravenprince]

I think it'd be awesome if the devs launched Green 2.0 Christmas Day with zero announcement. That would go down as the best christmas present ever for me. I mean colecovision in 1982, nintendo 1985, and zelda ii 1988 all are already in the hall of fame for me.

[nemi]

I think it'd be awesome if the devs launched Green 2.0 Christmas Day with zero announcement. That would go down as the best christmas present ever for me. I mean colecovision in 1982, nintendo 1985, and zelda ii 1988 all are already in the hall of fame for me.

This ^

[Trelaboon]

This thread was made for me. I've been checking way too often. I don't want to play until the new green.

I’ve been on blue the entire time p1999 has been out. I’ve got seven 70’s over there and really wanna try out a fresh start server. My only issue, and why I didn’t try green, was that I really dislike the game pre-Kunark. I think I’ll suck it up and give it a try this time though just to have the experience again.

[Coridan]

I honestly like the game best pre-Kunark. Kunark spreads everyone out just a bit too much imo. Even when it dropped most of the zones there were empty.

[cd288]

I’ve been on blue the entire time p1999 has been out. I’ve got seven 70’s over there and really wanna try out a fresh start server. My only issue, and why I didn’t try green, was that I really dislike the game pre-Kunark. I think I’ll suck it up and give it a try this time though just to have the experience again.

I loved seeing groups of people at random camps in classic. Like Sro orcs and bb goblins. Felt like such a fresh experience from what we’re all used to on p99. Highly recommend

[Coridan]

I'm disappointed there's no news about Green 2.0

[Fammaden]

Thank you for bumping this important thread, we are all disappointed and hoping for news soon.

[Enderenter]

I am disappoint

[Maligar]

When green 2.0?

Estimated year would suffice!

[Bobjenson]

I'm waiting on Monsters and Memories vs P99 new server. Lets see who wins!

[Blayde]

Wont be a valid comparison since monsters and memories is still years away from launch, id say maybe 2 or 3 years away. Green 3.0 vs monsters and memories might be a more valid comparison.

[Ripp]

I keep hoping for a new server with the QoL features included but I'm not holding my breath any longer. I just don't understand why people don't like QoL features. Sure, Classic and all that but remove the QoL features? Why?!

/boggle

[Coridan]

Reddit blackout has made me even more desperate for green 2.0

[Absinthium]

Reddit blackout? I am curious what this is about

[Rader]

Reddit blackout has made me even more desperate for green 2.0

First I have heard of this. Please explain.

[Blingy]

Reddit changed a few things that screwed third party mods and old.reddit.com so in retaliation/protest a bunch of subs were set to private for 2 or more days.

[Natewest1987]

Disappointed

[DeliciousHalflings]

Wont be a valid comparison since monsters and memories is still years away from launch, id say maybe 2 or 3 years away. Green 3.0 vs monsters and memories might be a more valid comparison.

M&M just won't be good. Period. Nice pipe dream, but in practice it's gonna run like a clunky browser-based game.

Green2.0 isn't happening wake up and smell the bullshit.

[Blayde]

M&M just won't be good. Period. Nice pipe dream, but in practice it's gonna run like a clunky browser-based game.

Green2.0 isn't happening wake up and smell the bullshit.

How is it that you are SO CERTAIN of 2 things, that are completely beyond your control? Occam's razor seems to apply.

[meathook]

what made Green so great was that most people (even blue players) didn't really know about the nuances of classic. They had been in Velious so long that most of that knowledge had disappeared or been forgotten.

I was in the top guild (Seal Team) and I remember most people didnt know about going under the bridge for Naggy raids, or how to pull Hate 1.0.

Most people on Green do now, because those events from the classic experience were only a couple years ago and relatively fresh. If they release a new server now, I dont imagine it will have the same feel of wonder because Green release is still relatively fresh and that knowledge of Classic hasnt really left the players yet.

[Lorethi]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/044/685/971.gif

[erasser]

New server please!

[Coridan]

what made Green so great was that most people (even blue players) didn't really know about the nuances of classic. They had been in Velious so long that most of that knowledge had disappeared or been forgotten.

I was in the top guild (Seal Team) and I remember most people didnt know about going under the bridge for Naggy raids, or how to pull Hate 1.0.

Most people on Green do now, because those events from the classic experience were only a couple years ago and relatively fresh. If they release a new server now, I dont imagine it will have the same feel of wonder because Green release is still relatively fresh and that knowledge of Classic hasnt really left the players yet.

Of course someone from ST would be against it. If everything just resets, then what would all that no-lifing had been for ?

[Gloomlord]

Okay...

I think it's time to stop the radio silence.

[Videri]

Of course someone from ST would be against it. If everything just resets, then what would all that no-lifing had been for ?

That’s why it should be on a 3- or 4-year schedule. People can get it out of their system, and everyone else can play it like it’s a game.

[meathook]

Of course someone from ST would be against it. If everything just resets, then what would all that no-lifing had been for ?

Oh, I didn't realize this was a loot thing, thought it was an experience thing. Weird attack but I guess this is where I say sorry you don't got.

[erasser]

A new server with a lack of loot is the experience. The problem with Green / Blue is that everyone has so much loot that the experience really isn't classic anymore. Even if you recruit enough new players to attempt to take on classic raids, you will simply not get the opportunity because larger guilds invade. The divide between top guilds and other guilds will be shorter on a new server. Additionally, the time to kill for guilds will be increased too, leading to less divide and conquer-like tactics.

[Swish]

Back in the day I used to server hop to new servers as they opened just to keep having the fresh experience.

[Humerox]

Hello? What?

[magnetaress]

The simple solution. Characters have a life span. When they die they go to the heaven server where they spawn in naked and immortal. They can summon any items they want and teleport to any zone and location. Faction still works however mobs will not fight unless commanded to.

[Cen]

When a new server happens I want to make a guild called The Legend of Teal and we will all convert everyone into believers of the utopia we once had.. now and forever.

Now everyone bow your heads and pretend to be serious.

[Swish]

I had a great DE necro on teal, those were great days.

https://i.imgur.com/F9UUt8d.png

[|tda| fatal]

is there really no news on a new server yet? lol? didnt they say jan 2023? im confused

[Cen]

is there really no news on a new server yet? lol? didnt they say jan 2023? im confused

No, they said there would absolutely not be a new server until at least January 2023.

[Absinthium]

Probably explains why the moderators are turning a blind eye and a dead ear to the stupidity that is DSM.

What is DSM?

[Gloomlord]

What is DSM?

DeathsSilkyMist, a poster.

I find it hard to believe you don't know, considering the massive thread that's currently going on.

[Absinthium]

DeathsSilkyMist, a poster.

I find it hard to believe you don't know, considering the massive thread that's currently going on.

I am new, really (ish, at least). And I guess missed whatever hullabaloo happens to currently going down/past history with ?trollish? comments, or whatever created such a reaction, lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I am new, really (ish, at least). And I guess missed whatever hullabaloo happens to currently going down/past history with ?trollish? comments, or whatever created such a reaction, lol

Hello! I am "DSM".

376/421 of Gloomlords posts are basically trolling this thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923 . He appears to be angry at me because I disagree with him. He will tell you I am the troll, but you can look at both of our post histories and make a decision for yourself. Welcome to the forums!

[cyxthryth]

I am new, really (ish, at least). And I guess missed whatever hullabaloo happens to currently going down/past history with ?trollish? comments, or whatever created such a reaction, lol

Welcome! The thread they mentioned & DSM linked is definitely great, highly entertaining and informative of the types of posters on these forums & their personalities. If you're new I highly recommend reading through it!

Just don't go in expecting DSM to have provided any evidence of his Shaman improving his groups's DPS by Root Rotting multiple mobs parallel to his group like he fervently argued for - tens? hundreds? - of posts that he can/could do, otherwise you may be setting yourself up for disappointment. :)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Welcome! The thread they mentioned & DSM linked is definitely great, highly entertaining and informative of the types of posters on these forums & their personalities. If you're new I highly recommend reading through it!

Just don't go in expecting DSM to have provided any evidence of his Shaman improving his groups's DPS by Root Rotting multiple mobs parallel to his group like he fervently argued for - tens? hundreds? - of posts that he can/could do, otherwise you may be setting yourself up for disappointment. :)

This is the other troll account solely dedicated to the thread I posted previously. 381/389 of his posts are in that thread alone.

[cyxthryth]

This is the other troll account solely dedicated to the thread I posted previously. 381/389 of his posts are in that thread alone.

Take a look at my posts from both the thread in question & elsewhere. ;)

[Absinthium]

Well, I am indeed starting to read through the thread........I see now why I missed it though, I purposefully avoided the thread when it first started, and forgot about it entirely, lol.

Thank you for the welcome, both of you =D

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Well, I am indeed starting to read through the thread........I see now why I missed it though, I purposefully avoided the thread when it first started, and forgot about it entirely, lol.

Thank you for the welcome, both of you =D

Of course! Hope you enjoy your stay.

[Zephys]

+1

[Gloomlord]

He appears to be angry at me because I disagree with him. He will tell you I am the troll, but you can look at both of our post histories and make a decision for yourself. Welcome to the forums!

Who isn't angry and/or amused with you by now?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Who isn't angry and/or amused with you by now?

Most people don't get angry at discussions about the gameplay of a 23 year old video game. I am not angry. I hold no grudges against anybody who disagrees with me, including yourself.

I just hope you learn that trolling isn't the answer when people disagree with you. It doesn't help your position, regardless of what the truth is.

[Gloomlord]

Do you major in self-righteous hypocrisy?

Quite a knack for it, if you don't mind my saying so.

[Crede]

Well, I am indeed starting to read through the thread........I see now why I missed it though, I purposefully avoided the thread when it first started, and forgot about it entirely, lol.

Thank you for the welcome, both of you =D

I can save you 400+ pages if you want.

He thinks shamans can compete with mages in group dps. Also thinks they’re better than clerics as a group healer at 60.

The evidence he’s provided thus far was a random solo video and a group video doing about 15 dps over 2 hours.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I can save you 400+ pages if you want.

He thinks shamans can compete with mages in group dps. Also thinks they’re better than clerics as a group healer at 60.

The evidence he’s provided thus far was a random solo video and a group video doing about 15 dps over 2 hours.

Crede is providing strawmen because he cannot provide evidence. It is one of the many reasons this thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923 has gone on so long. He's usually reasonable in other threads, so I am not sure why he keeps doing it.

He cannot seem to accept that a duo/trio/four player group is killing things that are mostly tankable with Slow/Torpor, which is why a Cleric isn't required for a group like that. Shaman/Enchanter/Monk is a very strong trio, as an example.

The point of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG1Aat1XdbI wasn't to show maximum DPS potential of a Shaman, which he would know if he actually read the thread. He often times doesn't based on what he posts. It is to show that you can use a solo video like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwiGKTuu2E to mimic group DPS and provide an accurate example of a specific class's DPS.

The idea that you couldn't use a solo video to show class DPS was one of key reasons for this thread containing hundreds of pages of trolling with things like gifs.

I am not sure why Crede thinks a pickup group with a 54 Necromancer and a 57 Enchanter in HS west is going to be an example of a maximum efficiency level 60 group. I certainly never said that.

I have provided multiple videos and math examples for my claims, while he still provides nothing.

[Crede]

Crede is providing strawmen because he cannot provide evidence. It is one of the many reasons this thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923 has gone on so long. He's usually reasonable in other threads, so I am not sure why he keeps doing it.

He cannot seem to accept that a duo/trio/four player group is killing things that are mostly tankable with Slow/Torpor, which is why a Cleric isn't required for a group like that. Shaman/Enchanter/Monk is a very strong trio, as an example.

The point of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG1Aat1XdbI wasn't to show maximum DPS potential of a Shaman, which he would know if he actually read the thread. He often times doesn't based on what he posts. It is to show that you can use a solo video like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwiGKTuu2E to mimic group DPS and provide an accurate example of a specific class's DPS.

The idea that you couldn't use a solo video to show class DPS was one of key reasons for hundreds of pages of trolling.

I am not sure why Crede thinks a pickup group with a 54 Necromancer and a 57 Enchanter in HS west is going to be an example of a maximum efficiency level 60 group. I certainly never said that.

I have provided multiple videos and math examples for my claims, while he still provides nothing.

Notice all the irrelevance.

He Talks around everything except the fact that his shaman failed to even remotely output dps in a group as was requested very early on in the thread. Also failed to show how shamans are worthy of adding in place of a cleric, when the other group members can easily fill the role of a shaman.

So just wanted to warn you of what to expect.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Notice all the irrelevance.

He Talks around everything except the fact that his shaman failed to even remotely output dps in a group as was requested very early on in the thread. Also failed to show how shamans are worthy of adding in place of a cleric, when the other group members can easily fill the role of a shaman.

So just wanted to warn you of what to expect.

As you can see, he still doesn't understand the reason for the video I posted. He cannot seem to be bothered to read a succinct summary.

He also continues to keep asking for evidence, while providing none of his own. I have provided plenty of video and math examples, which he hasn't been able to rebut yet.

This is the theme of that thread. Posters like Crede will simply keep saying that all evidence provided is irrelevant as an excuse for why they don't need to provide their own evidence.

[Crede]

As you can see, he still doesn't understand the reason for the video I posted. He cannot seem to be bothered to read a succinct summary.

He also continues to keep asking for evidence, while providing none of his own. I have provided plenty of video and math examples, which he hasn't been able to rebut yet.

This is the theme of that thread. Posters like Crede will simply keep saying that all evidence provided is irrelevant as an excuse for why they don't need to provide their own evidence.

Notice how he continuously tries to play victim, while, yet, still providing no actual evidence that a shaman can output mage group dps or provide more use than a cleric when the group already has 2 enchanters and someone to mala.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Notice how he continuously tries to play victim, while, yet, still providing no actual evidence that a shaman can output mage group dps or provide more use than a cleric when the group already has 2 enchanters and someone to mala.

I am not playing the victim. You are doing what I said you would do.

You need to provide a video showing how well this group will do. I am willing to hop on my Shaman and play in that version of the group. You never commit to this, and I fail to see the reason why.

I will be happy to admit I am wrong if you can provide something other than proclaiming all evidence you disagree with is invalid simply because you wish it to be so.

[cd288]

Hello! I am "DSM".

376/421 of Gloomlords posts are basically trolling this thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923 . He appears to be angry at me because I disagree with him. He will tell you I am the troll, but you can look at both of our post histories and make a decision for yourself. Welcome to the forums!

Can you stfu and stick to your 400 page thread where you've been proven wrong? Don't turn other threads into your BS

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Can you stfu and stick to your 400 page thread where you've been proven wrong? Don't turn other threads into your BS

Gloomlord is the one who brought it up in this thread. Not sure why you are complaining to me. Also, you haven't proven me wrong there yet.

[cd288]

Gloomlord is the one who brought it up in this thread. Not sure why you are complaining to me. Also, you haven't proven me wrong there yet.

Thx. Go back to your troll thread pls...wouldn't want to risk a suspension from the staff for spamming other threads.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Thx. Go back to your troll thread pls...wouldn't want to risk a suspension from the staff for spamming other threads.

You're not spamming threads by posting nonsense like this?:) I am not sure why it is my "troll thread", when you can clearly see the hundreds of pages of gif posting and troll talk are from other posters, not myself.

[Ripqozko]

You're not spamming threads by posting nonsense like this?:) I am not sure why it is my "troll thread", when you can clearly see the hundreds of pages of gif posting and troll talk are from other posters, not myself.

This is the future of kittens, yikes. App kittens and get a free DSM.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

This is the future of kittens, yikes. App kittens and get a free DSM.

cd288 doesn't complain about posts like this by the way. He was all too willing to side with this kind of nonsense when it "supported" his position.

[cd288]

You're not spamming threads by posting nonsense like this?:) I am not sure why it is my "troll thread", when you can clearly see the hundreds of pages of gif posting and troll talk are from other posters, not myself.

You started having the same discussion from another thread in a completely unrelated thread. I pointed that out to you and asked you to keep it in the relevant thread. The correct response from you here is "my bad, I'll do that"

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You started having the same discussion from another thread in a completely unrelated thread. I pointed that out to you and asked you to keep it in the relevant thread. The correct response from you here is "my bad, I'll do that"

Incorrect.


Probably explains why the moderators are turning a blind eye and a dead ear to the stupidity that is DSM.

DeathsSilkyMist, a poster.

I find it hard to believe you don't know, considering the massive thread that's currently going on.

Gloomlord broached the topic first, and called me out by name. I was simply defending myself. I did not spontaneously bring another thread into this discussion, Gloomlord did.

Please direct your comments at him.

Also, when are you going to start complaining about Ripqozko spamming threads if you are concerned about it?

[Gloomlord]

You didn't need to respond, though, DSM.

It's self defence -- it's ego.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You didn't need to respond, though, DSM.

It's self defence -- it's ego.

Posting insults and nonsense about me in another thread is also self defense and ego:)

You started the topic in this thread, and I responded. You are the source of the issue, not myself.

Cd288, Crede, and Ripqozko didn't have to respond either. If this was an actual matter of principle, you would be berating them too.

[Ripqozko]

Posting insults and nonsense about me in another thread is not also self defense and ego?:)

You started the topic in this thread, and I responded. You are the source of the issue, not myself.

Cd288, Crede, and Ripqozko didn't have to respond either. If this was an actual matter of principle, you would be berating them too.

Join kittens today

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Join kittens today

Indeed. Kittens are a great group of people. Meow!

[Gloomlord]

Posting insults and nonsense about me in another thread is also self defense and ego:)

You started the topic in this thread, and I responded. You are the source of the issue, not myself.

Cd288, Crede, and Ripqozko didn't have to respond either. If this was an actual matter of principle, you would be berating them too.

Whatever lies help you sleep easier at night, I guess.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Whatever lies help you sleep easier at night, I guess.

I am not sure where you think I am lying.

Are you trying to claim you didn't post about me and that other thread first in this thread?

Or are you trying to claim that insulting me and bringing up an unrelated thread is not off-topic?

[cyxthryth]

I am not sure where you think I am lying.


I am simply not sure where you were telling the truth. Care to help clear it up?

Reminder - you said:

Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.

I am very confident it won't change in a group


Conversely, you also said:

in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data

Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

and THEN you said:


Come back when you have evidence showing DPS will differ in a group, and that you cannot do DPS parsing solo.

I already previously asked:

If (you believe that) DPS captured/performed by a solo player will be the same as DPS captured/performed by a player in a group who is actively grouped with 3 others (not solo), please elaborate why you mentioned (and what you meant when you mentioned) "variables out of your control" and "once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation" in regards to group DPS performance?

...but you did not answer, so again I will ask:

If (you believe that) DPS captured/performed by a solo player will be the same as DPS captured/performed by a player in a group who is actively grouped with 3 others (not solo), please elaborate why you mentioned (and what you meant when you mentioned) "variables out of your control" and "once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation" in regards to group DPS performance?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

...but you did not answer, so again I will ask:

If (you believe that) DPS captured/performed by a solo player will be the same as DPS captured/performed by a player in a group who is actively grouped with 3 others (not solo), please elaborate why you mentioned (and what you meant when you mentioned) "variables out of your control" and "once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation" in regards to group DPS performance?

Please stop spamming threads with questions that have been answered many, many times. I am not sure why you think this tactic is doing anything other than confirming that trolling is occurring. People can view https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923 if they want the answers to these questions.

[Ripqozko]

Please stop spamming threads with questions that have been answered many, many times. I am not sure why you think this tactic is doing anything other than confirming that trolling is occurring. People can view https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923 if they want the answers to these questions.

Lol

[cyxthryth]

Please stop spamming threads with questions that have been answered many, many times.

If the question has been answered, it should be easy for you to provide evidence of such. If not - I present that entire thread (thank you for linking it!) as irrefutable evidence that as of this writing you DID NOT answer that question.

I am not sure why you think this tactic is doing anything other than confirming that trolling is occurring.

I am not sure what "tactic" you are referring to. I am merely attempting to get you to answer a simple question and/or explain/justify your reasoning for making - seemingly completely contradictory - statements. I am not sure why you - seemingly - appear to think continuing to ignore the question somehow means it has been answered; it does not.

People can view https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923 if they want the answers to these questions.

Reminder - you said:


Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo.


I am very confident it won't change in a group

Conversely, you also said:


in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data


Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing.

and THEN you said:


Come back when you have evidence showing DPS will differ in a group, and that you cannot do DPS parsing solo.

What page of the linked thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923 do you believe that you answered the following question on?:

If (you believe that) DPS captured/performed by a solo player will be the same as DPS captured/performed by a player in a group who is actively grouped with 3 others (not solo), please elaborate why you mentioned (and what you meant when you mentioned) "variables out of your control" and "once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation" in regards to group DPS performance?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

What page of the linked thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923 do you believe that you answered the following question on?:


https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3621728&postcount=4165

This is the latest example of me answering the same questions you keep asking over and over again.

Please move the discussion back to that thread. I won't be responding to these questions again here, as it is off topic.

[Ripqozko]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3621728&postcount=4165

This is the latest example of me answering the same questions you keep asking over and over again.

Please move the discussion back to that thread. I won't be responding to these questions again here, as it is off topic.

Lol

[cd288]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3621728&postcount=4165

This is the latest example of me answering the same questions you keep asking over and over again.

Please move the discussion back to that thread. I won't be responding to these questions again here, as it is off topic.

Thank you

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Thank you

You're welcome!

Now, please tell Ripqozko to stop posting nonsense, and we will be even.

I am not expecting him to stop, but it will show that you are not simply singling me out in this thread. If you actually care about threads wandering off topic, Gloomlord is the one who started it, Crede responded, Cyxthryth responded, you responded, and Ripqozko is doing what he normally does, which is post random nonsense.

You should be willing to step up and do your part too.

[Ripqozko]

You're welcome!

Now, please tell Ripqozko to stop posting nonsense, and we will be even.

Sorry you don't got not posting anymore, this is the new kittens.

[cyxthryth]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3621728&postcount=4165

This is the latest example of me answering the same questions you keep asking over and over again.

Please move the discussion back to that thread. I won't be responding to these questions again here, as it is off topic.

Eagerly and patiently awaiting your reply in the other thread! :)

[Fammaden]

Look what the lack of new green server has wrought, the native forum posters have collective insanity.

[cd288]

I agree that all other posters in addition to DSM should take the convo to the other thread, which looks like it has happened.

Anyway, back to the convo at hand. Personally, I'd love a holiday season launch at the end of the year. Nice end of year present.

[eqravenprince]

EQ before any expansions was the best version of EQ for me. Wish there was just a level 50 locked classic server around the Temple of Sol Ro patch, plane of hate release.

[Seducio]

EQ before any expansions was the best version of EQ for me. Wish there was just a level 50 locked classic server around the Temple of Sol Ro patch, plane of hate release.

I thoroughly enjoyed that Blue was stuck at Kunark for years.

[gradyk]

When does new server drop??

[sajbert]

EQ before any expansions was the best version of EQ for me. Wish there was just a level 50 locked classic server around the Temple of Sol Ro patch, plane of hate release.

To me this is also peak EverQuest.

My only issue with Classic is that the competition for camps is too harsh for 1k players.

[Coridan]

It really isn't, even with 2k players Runnyeye, Permafrost, Kerra Isle, Najena, Qeynos Catacombs, are empty. You might not be able to get to the camp you like/know most but you can definitely get a camp going.

And if you want a good camp, play a tank and get a good rep. I was never wanting for a group during classic up until 45+ when a lot more people tended to go solo.

[rvanatta01]

I think the best argument for new servers is not the limited drops, but the nostalgia of specific zones. Many zones don't have a population any more, and are therefore unplayable for group play. My favorite memories in EQ are of Crushbone, orcs in High Pass, Cazic Thule, Lower Guk, and Solusek. Some of these you can continue to find groups for, but others are abandoned the majority of the time. Let's get a new Green!

[DeliciousHalflings]

EQ before any expansions was the best version of EQ for me. Wish there was just a level 50 locked classic server around the Temple of Sol Ro patch, plane of hate release.

I preferred Velious raiding, but everything else from leveling to itemization to difficulty were all more appealing when 50 was level cap. A fresh server that locks at 50 would be nice...again. That's what p99 was for like a decade.

[rvanatta01]

I preferred Velious raiding, but everything else from leveling to itemization to difficulty were all more appealing when 50 was level cap. A fresh server that locks at 50 would be nice...again. That's what p99 was for like a decade.

This! Probably not going to happen as it would split the servers... but there was nothing like POF/POH and Vox/Nagafen raids. Sometimes simple is better

[Hailto]

Starting to doubt its ever going to happen

[wuanahto]

I do not want green2.0. But I want one singular PvE server. Two servers is just not enough of a population for two servers.

Merge Green into Blue, call it quits.
Open a second PvP server as the final test to see if people do care about PvP.

[Natewest1987]

Here again.

[rvanatta01]

I do not want green2.0. But I want one singular PvE server. Two servers is just not enough of a population for two servers.

Merge Green into Blue, call it quits.
Open a second PvP server as the final test to see if people do care about PvP.

I don't know mate, seems like the green server has no problem with population. If anything the population seems high. It's regularly above 1200. I agree a merging would serve both green and blue, but there doesn't seem to be a downside to starting a Green 2.0. Most people play this game for the nostalgia, and the best part of the game has always been moving through those older zones and the excitement of taking down Venril or Trak'anon for the first time... not the 55th time. Just my opinion though.

[Cen]

omg they were able to change green and teal discussion to just green discussion

teal 3.0 is confirmed this week

[Troxx]

Roll green into blue and announce next green in “1-2 years”

Everyone profits from higher player base and the try hards have another expected green run in the foreseeable future …

[Trexller]

Roll green into blue and announce next green in “1-2 years”

Everyone profits from higher player base and the try hards have another expected green run in the foreseeable future …

this

[Lune]

Roll green into blue and announce next green in “1-2 years”

Everyone profits from higher player base and the try hards have another expected green run in the foreseeable future …

This.... blue is gettin a little tumbleweed-y

[Toxigen]

Roll green into blue and announce next green in “1-2 years”

Everyone profits from higher player base and the try hards have another expected green run in the foreseeable future …

[Hailto]

I'm still disappointed

[cd288]

I would make a large donation if it greased the wheels on getting the merge done haha

[Trexller]

yeah seriously the only zone on the entire blue server where PUGs are possible is KC

and half the time, it's just 6 people, grouped in 3 duos, pulling mobs to zone in until they invariably get trained

[Soothsayer]

yeah seriously the only zone on the entire blue server where PUGs are possible is KC

and half the time, it's just 6 people, grouped in 3 duos, pulling mobs to zone in until they invariably get trained

You forgot to mention that the duos usually consist of ridiculously overpowered classes like shaman and enchanter, further diminishing your already slim chances of finding a group if you don't happen to be playing a powergamer class.

"Ewwww, a paladin / ranger / wizard / druid / SK, go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and leave me alone"

[Hailto]

What's it like on Quarm? I got the EQ itch again but I'm not trying to come back to solo in empty zones that's lame

[Trexller]

What's it like on Quarm?

https://i.imgur.com/shVjx8l.jpg

[spoil]

The way Quarm was sold to us originally sounded pretty awesome to me. Forced rotations plus open world quakes for a good compromise on loot value/scarcity with quakes for a little competition.

But then it got changed to instanced raiding. And that makes loot so plentiful that I don't think anyone cares about competing for open world, certainly not months into an expansion. That will also make the tunnel market more like a TLP, as everything you spend time farming loses value in proportion to how easy it is to get raid-geared. Also Secrets pulled the rug at the last second and decided to keep legacy items in the game permanently, and there's some abomination called Pinkicite armor.

[Rader]

You forgot to mention that the duos usually consist of ridiculously overpowered classes like shaman and enchanter, further diminishing your already slim chances of finding a group if you don't happen to be playing a powergamer class.

"Ewwww, a paladin / ranger / wizard / druid / SK, go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and leave me alone"

When was it ever not this way?

[cd288]

What's it like on Quarm? I got the EQ itch again but I'm not trying to come back to solo in empty zones that's lame

I've got some lowbie alts, including a mid 30s SK on Blue, I'd group with ya

[Hailto]

I've got some lowbie alts, including a mid 30s SK on Blue, I'd group with ya

<3

[fortior]

When was it ever not this way?

I'm currently grouping with a ranger as a warrior in city of mist

Green server is good

[Duvain]

The way Quarm was sold to us originally sounded pretty awesome to me. Forced rotations plus open world quakes for a good compromise on loot value/scarcity with quakes for a little competition.

But then it got changed to instanced raiding. And that makes loot so plentiful that I don't think anyone cares about competing for open world, certainly not months into an expansion. That will also make the tunnel market more like a TLP, as everything you spend time farming loses value in proportion to how easy it is to get raid-geared. Also Secrets pulled the rug at the last second and decided to keep legacy items in the game permanently, and there's some abomination called Pinkicite armor.

That rug pull killed it for me, haven't logged into Quarm since. Would love a new P99 but not sure we'll ever get one.

[Trexller]

abomination called Pinkicite armor.

lol

https://i.imgur.com/MaUVIHq.jpg

[Rimitto]

That rug pull killed it for me, haven't logged into Quarm since. Would love a new P99 but not sure we'll ever get one.

why would that "rug pull" be a bad thing?
everyone would be able to get what they wanted, is your only goal to make it so nobody else gets what they want? :cool:

[Swish]

The way Quarm was sold to us originally sounded pretty awesome to me. Forced rotations plus open world quakes for a good compromise on loot value/scarcity with quakes for a little competition.

But then it got changed to instanced raiding. And that makes loot so plentiful that I don't think anyone cares about competing for open world, certainly not months into an expansion. That will also make the tunnel market more like a TLP, as everything you spend time farming loses value in proportion to how easy it is to get raid-geared. Also Secrets pulled the rug at the last second and decided to keep legacy items in the game permanently, and there's some abomination called Pinkicite armor.

So the "no brag" factor, like...

https://i.imgur.com/Sld7owl.gif

[spoil]

why would that "rug pull" be a bad thing?
everyone would be able to get what they wanted, is your only goal to make it so nobody else gets what they want? :cool:

Personally I would prefer no legacy items to custom legacy items that aren't legacy. But the last-minute reversal isn't just bad in this instance, it's bad in general. We were told one thing by Secrets from day 1, then at the very last minute it's like haha actually I changed my mind. Not a good precedent to set IMO. But I'm over it. I have no interest in playing on PQ or any TLP server but good for those who do.

So the "no brag" factor, like...


LOL warder loot. I don't even have beads or a manastone or anything on p99 and probably never will. I just don't grudge people who do. I don't get how there are self-described casual players who are obsessed with not having certain items. The pixel envy from middle-aged men in an elf sim is not the most mature behavior.

[cd288]

Yeah last minute rug pulls in a game like EQ where it requires significant amount of time to progress are kind of unfair IMO. People should be aware of everything they're getting into when they decide to devote that amount of time to a character on a server. Not have things changed after they've already put in a bunch of time.

[Duvain]

why would that "rug pull" be a bad thing?
everyone would be able to get what they wanted, is your only goal to make it so nobody else gets what they want? :cool:

Others have already answered this but also Iksars having access to DE mask for faction purposes fundamentally changes the game.

[Duvain]

There's nothing wrong with "legacy items forever" or people "getting what they want", but there is a lot wrong with a last minute rug pull on things that have huge impact on the game.

People enjoy different things and styles of EQ and that's fine, but to completely change it after months of time invested is BS.

[sajbert]

Legacy items outside of DE iksars don't change the game in any significant way once you're in Kunark and beyond. Manastone is mostly a dead item then. Beads is a novelty item outside of raiding and raiders got beads anyway. Guise is just a vanity item.

However, it's true that if you make raid loot easy to get that devalues regular dungeon drops.

[cd288]

Others have already answered this but also Iksars having access to DE mask for faction purposes fundamentally changes the game.

Oh wow didn't think about that. Yeah that's a massive one that I'm stunned they allowed. Admittedly, Iksar Monk/Necro is already the meta, but if you can get the DE mask then there's simply no other reason to roll any other race for those classes. It completely takes a major tradeoff out of the game.

[Worry]

Quarm sounds awesome from what is being said here lol, may actually try it out now.

[Swish]

Oh wow didn't think about that. Yeah that's a massive one that I'm stunned they allowed. Admittedly, Iksar Monk/Necro is already the meta, but if you can get the DE mask then there's simply no other reason to roll any other race for those classes. It completely takes a major tradeoff out of the game.

Wouldn't you lose the iksar regen with DE illusion on?

[Duvain]

Wouldn't you lose the iksar regen with DE illusion on?

Nope, I had an ogre SK and War with mask and kept FSI in DE form. Trolls kept regen. You just lose slam.

[smooman]

Oh wow didn't think about that. Yeah that's a massive one that I'm stunned they allowed. Admittedly, Iksar Monk/Necro is already the meta, but if you can get the DE mask then there's simply no other reason to roll any other race for those classes. It completely takes a major tradeoff out of the game.

I might be misremembering this, and im just coming back after nearly a decade, so please forgive me if I'm wrong but couldnt iksar monks and necros gain faction by Fake Deathing and doing crushbone pad and belt turn ins? i mean yes just being given an illusion mask is easier, but im sure its about as time consuming as either farming crushbone pads/belts or just farming up the plat to buy them.

you know it amazes me i remember details like this after so long haha.

[Ceros]

I feel like the next green won't launch until I give in and level to 60 on the current green, so I'm sorry for holding everyone up.

I really want to relive the new server hype like I did on Lanys, MT, Vaz and others... I was a new server addict.

[cd288]

I might be misremembering this, and im just coming back after nearly a decade, so please forgive me if I'm wrong but couldnt iksar monks and necros gain faction by Fake Deathing and doing crushbone pad and belt turn ins? i mean yes just being given an illusion mask is easier, but im sure its about as time consuming as either farming crushbone pads/belts or just farming up the plat to buy them.

you know it amazes me i remember details like this after so long haha.

I'm confused by the example provided. Why are we specifically talking about Kaladim faction?

The point of the DE mask comment is that it gets you the ability to vendor in places you otherwise wouldn't be able to (even some supposedly "neutral" vendors won't sell to Iksars). You also now have access to banks in areas you otherwise wouldn't (although that's not as significant since you can FD bank in NFP for example). Plus you, for instance, don't have to run all the way back to Cabilis to buy spells as a Necro...you can just buy them and train in Neriak etc. There's a lot of different benefits that you get without having to endlessly grind faction to get them on the Iksar which negates the trade off you're supposed to make when getting the Iksar regen.