Joke 6 Committee "Hearing"

[Castle2.0]

Except hearsay is permissible.

And of course no one who was actually present is subpoenaed or questioned.

And of course the Joke 6 committee, which consists entirely of 1 party + a few fringe sourpusses, found the lady "credible."

Are we talking super credible or like... Blasey Ford credible?

[robayon]

All I know is that if conservatives spend this much time talking about it, they are obviously afraid of it

[Jibartik]

Of course they are afraid of it, it's terrifying. It's like out of a science fiction book.

[Ooloo]

It's another unfalsifiable witchhunt. Crazy amber hurd type woman makes "bombshell" accusations: OMG!!!

Then the specific people she mentioned in her statements say "Uhhh no that didn't happen at all, what?"

And then people go "They're only denying it because they're scared of tramp!!". It's really pretty pathetic and the only thing that's concerning is how dumb so many people are to fall for a second of it. This is like jerry springer level intellectual discourse. Trump is likely eating a cheeseburger and playing golf or something right now, and libs all think he's planning some takeover of the world like he's emperor palpatine. Read a book, go outside. Trump can't hurt you anymore guys. You know who can though? The retard you elected to replace him, because you were too blinded by tds to see biden would be worse for everyone.

[Jibartik]

Why didn't we have a hearing like this for bush?

[Castle2.0]

All I know is that if conservatives spend this much time talking about it, they are obviously afraid of it

I haven't tuned in once. Just saw a news article headline and couldn't believe it. Figured it was clickbait. Saw another, clicked, confirmed. Hearsay.

I haven't talked about it with conservative friends or family or heard them bring it up. The ratings tell the story about what Americans think lol

4 more months until Dems get wiped out. They are realllly trying to concoct something before then. Gotta get my mug club mub ready to fill with lib tears.

[loramin]

Shouldn't you be telling us about how fast you got to level 60?

[robayon]

I haven't tuned in once. Just saw a news article headline and couldn't believe it. Figured it was clickbait. Saw another, clicked, confirmed. Hearsay.

I haven't talked about it with conservative friends or family or heard them bring it up. The ratings tell the story about what Americans think lol

4 more months until Dems get wiped out. They are realllly trying to concoct something before then. Gotta get my mug club mub ready to fill with lib tears.

It's another unfalsifiable witchhunt. Crazy amber hurd type woman makes "bombshell" accusations: OMG!!!

Then the specific people she mentioned in her statements say "Uhhh no that didn't happen at all, what?"

And then people go "They're only denying it because they're scared of tramp!!". It's really pretty pathetic and the only thing that's concerning is how dumb so many people are to fall for a second of it. This is like jerry springer level intellectual discourse. Trump is likely eating a cheeseburger and playing golf or something right now, and libs all think he's planning some takeover of the world like he's emperor palpatine. Read a book, go outside. Trump can't hurt you anymore guys. You know who can though? The retard you elected to replace him, because you were too blinded by tds to see biden would be worse for everyone.

yeah i'm totally convinced now. the lady doth protested

[Ooloo]

Seriously wasn't the SECOND impeachment attempt over jan 6th anyway? Like a year ago? And that failed...

Trump was literally part of some WWE storyline, the guy is showbiz first, and people just fall for all of it.

"GUFFAHHH, can you even believe the terrible thing that STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN said?!?! Where does he get the nerve!!!" but it's the president..

[Ooloo]

yeah i'm totally convinced now. the lady doth protested

What? The specific secret service agents that she cited immediately denied it outright and offered to testify under oath in criminal court (aka not this) that it's false. I'm sorry she was lying.

[robayon]

What? The specific secret service agents that she cited immediately denied it outright and offered to testify under oath in criminal court (aka not this) that it's false. I'm sorry she was lying.i don't care. it's all theater as long as democrats are the ones asking the questions. true or false, the fascists you support have nothing to worry about. democrats are on your side, not mine. there are none of my people in that room.

if anyone gets locked up, great, whatever, cool. but i doubt anyone but the grunts ever do any real time. pretty great that some of those useful idiots get a lighter sentence for attempting a coup than my friendly neighborhood drug dealer got for getting busted with two kilos of weed ten years ago

[Jibartik]

meanwhile the untouchable people inside the floating pyramid that organized the whole thing watch with their EYE and laugh.

[starkind]

meanwhile the untouchable people inside the floating pyramid that organized the whole thing watch with their EYE and laugh.

[Castle2.0]

Coupe. Insurrection.

I had to look these up in the Democrat Dictionary. Skimmed past "Peaceful Protest."

It was at most a small sample of a normal Chicago weekend that happened near the Capitol.

If only we had something to compare it with, like a far-left group in Portland declaring 2 city blocks sovereign territory for months and setting up their own law enforcement zone within it...

Surely the honest media would call this far greater event an insurrection?

[Elizondo]

Walls closin in

For realz this time guyz

[Reiwa]

What? The specific secret service agents that she cited immediately denied it outright and offered to testify under oath in criminal court (aka not this) that it's false. I'm sorry she was lying.

I may have this mixed up but wasn't the rebuttal that she talked about it happening in the beast(Presidential limo) when he was actually riding in a suv?

Overall it's complete bullshit that the CIA or whoever stopped him from receiving the beating he so righteously earned. Follow your commander, noobs.

[hobart]

but it's the president..

You almost get it, Trumptard. Yes, the standards should be higher for the leader of the free world than they are for a hick piece of shit entertaining other morons in a fake sporting event.

[Ooloo]

You almost get it, Trumptard. Yes, the standards should be higher for the leader of the free world than they are for a hick piece of shit entertaining other morons in a fake sporting event.

I agree! Except biden has been diastrously worse in every way. So.. yeah, I didn't even vote for trump, but I agree neither he or biden should be president. Although like every important objective metric was at least better before biden.

[Jibartik]

Bush knocked down the towers and people would rather hang a TV show host.

[cd288]

Fun fact most of the testimony at the hearing actually falls under exemptions from the hearsay rule

[Jibartik]

the footage from the hearing of inside the Beast when trump took the wheel is pretty lit

https://youtu.be/LW93uVQFYio?t=41

[Kaveh]

You almost get it, Trumptard. Yes, the standards should be higher for the leader of the free world than they are for a hick piece of shit entertaining other morons in a fake sporting event.

I lol’d

[Castle2.0]

Fun fact most of the testimony at the hearing actually falls under exemptions from the hearsay rule

Someone didn't watch the Johnny Depp trial. I only caught meme highlights and the hearsay compilation was hilarious.

But do humor us with your legal knowledge.

Pick a number. Any number.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_803

[Reiwa]

Someone didn't watch the Johnny Depp trial. I only caught meme highlights and the hearsay compilation was hilarious.

But do humor us with your legal knowledge.

Pick a number. Any number.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_803

Not a court of law.

You're looking for this:

https://robertsrules.com/

[MrSparkle001]

It's another unfalsifiable witchhunt. Crazy amber hurd type woman makes "bombshell" accusations: OMG!!!

Then the specific people she mentioned in her statements say "Uhhh no that didn't happen at all, what?"

And then people go "They're only denying it because they're scared of tramp!!". It's really pretty pathetic and the only thing that's concerning is how dumb so many people are to fall for a second of it. This is like jerry springer level intellectual discourse. Trump is likely eating a cheeseburger and playing golf or something right now, and libs all think he's planning some takeover of the world like he's emperor palpatine. Read a book, go outside. Trump can't hurt you anymore guys. You know who can though? The retard you elected to replace him, because you were too blinded by tds to see biden would be worse for everyone.

It's all a smokescreen. Midterms are coming up so they have to keep their base riled up and the focus off the disastrous economy and plummeting poll numbers. They need the young people to vote. Midterms are mostly for old people, a much more conservative voting base than the angry millennials and zoomers the democrats are keeping enraged.

Anyone with half a brain can see it, just like anyone with half a brain didn't take Amber Heard's stories as truth and Johnny Depp's as lies until they both had their day in court. It requires a functioning brain, and the liberal media and social media have poisoned their brains.

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[Castle2.0]

Not a court of law.

You're looking for this:

https://robertsrules.com/

I know it's not a court of law and doesn't meet the same standard. That's the point. Putting people under oath and then allowing hearsay is a joke. If they think what happened matters and they want the truth, they would subpoena everyone who was present. I'm sure they do, so let's look for those subpoenas.

Sparkle hit the nail on the head. Midterms are a'comin.

[cd288]

Aw the moron is trying to argue law with a lawyer. Very cute

[Jibartik]

Imagine if the democrats even said that George Bush was bad let alone tried him for mass murder.

Go all in to fight the shaper image steaks guy though? Clown show country confirmed.

[cd288]

Imagine if the democrats even said that George Bush was bad let alone tried him for mass murder.

Go all in to fight the shaper image steaks guy though? Clown show country confirmed.

I mean if even a semi-decent amount of the facts that are coming out at the hearing are true then this is absolutely something you should be fought. If those things are true then you had a guy who intentionally instigated people to mob the capitol building in order to try and stop a legitimate election from being certified...and was okay with them potentially injuring or killing people he viewed as political enemies. That absolutely cannot just be allowed to happen without repercussions.

[Jibartik]

Id believe any of that were true if the justice branch of our government said it was true, instead of the legislative branch performing this one sided bureaucratic witch hunt.

It's very telling this is bullshit, because if you dont hate trump you dont care and if you hate him you thnk he tried to take over the country violently and even tried to take the wheel of a car to drive it through the capitole himself like an action movie.

[cd288]

I know plenty of Republicans (including myself) who don't view it as bullshit, in many cases despite voting for him in 2024.

The legislative branch performs the initial investigation and then decides whether or not to refer it to the Justice branch for further investigation and possible charging. That's how the system works, but understandable some people might not be aware of that since many schools don't do a good job of teaching students how the government works. It's also not one sided, it's a bipartisan committee lol, and Trump was the one who told the allies he has in the Republican side of the legislature to have nothing to do with it...he had the opportunity to have representation by Republicans that he personally likes instead of the Rs that are on the committee and turned it down.

[Jibartik]

I bet those republicans hate trump too.

I didnt say republican/democrat.

I said if you hate him, you believe this shit, if you dont hate him, you know it pales in comparison to say idk, letting ukraine get genocided under your saber rattling.

Also the legislative branch should not be performing a trial outside of a court this is a joke.

[Jibartik]

I know plenty of Republicans (including myself)

This shit rots my soul.

the number of bushers that try to shove biden down my throat like you did the war in iraq, afghanistan, and anti muslim shit for 20 years.

Bushers hated rational conversation because it took away their power, just like democrats hate it now.

And then always, it turns out im not talking to a democrat, turns out im talking to a party flipped busher.

[Reiwa]

It's also not one sided, it's a bipartisan committee lol

https://i.imgur.com/sWsCp1p_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

The majority does not get to dictate committee assignments to the minority. Normally.

[Jibartik]

"we are going to abuse our power and have a witch hunt."
"No I wont be on that committee it's a witch hunt and abuse of power"
"Well we're gonna do it anyways so I guess you just proved we're right!"

Saying that its one sided because people didn't want to do it only proves that

A. its not justice and it's just something a few people want to do
B. its a fucking joke.

[Reiwa]

Saying that its one sided because people didn't want to do it only proves that

A. its not justice and it's just something a few people want to do
B. its a fucking joke.

Speaker vetoed their selections.

[Jibartik]

well there you go it's even worse.

Well, at least this is just part of the collapse of everything the establishment is afraid of losing.

[cd288]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-said-foolish-decision-gop-011115058.html

- The committee investigating January 6 formed after Republicans blocked a bipartisan commission.

- Trump said it was a "bad decision" for Republicans "not to have representation on that committee."

- But Trump denounced the proposal of a bipartisan commission last year, calling it a "Democrat trap."

Now, it's still technically bipartisan because there are Republicans on the Committee...just not the ones Trump likes.

[Jibartik]

Lets just hang him by his neck in public and get it over with.

[Reiwa]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-said-foolish-decision-gop-011115058.html

- The committee investigating January 6 formed after Republicans blocked a bipartisan commission.

- Trump said it was a "bad decision" for Republicans "not to have representation on that committee."

- But Trump denounced the proposal of a bipartisan commission last year, calling it a "Democrat trap."

Now, it's still technically bipartisan because there are Republicans on the Committee...just not the ones Trump likes.

You forgot the part where Liz Cheney got kicked out of the conference for misbehavior.

"Republicans" are stupid, too.

[Jibartik]

I dont know how to say this, but this investigation, it's just people abusing their power to help push their political message.

It's conspiracy with a lot of media, angry people in power, and ultra wealthy people that control all this shit.

This is a perfect example of partisan identity politics, completely flying over the 3 branches of government, just to help drum up public support during their elections.

Everyone on all sides admits there will be no arrests, no trails, no jail.

This just a public theater designed to help convince voters to vote for the "good guys"

[cd288]

I dont know how to say this, but this investigation, it's just people abusing their power to help push their political message.

It's conspiracy with a lot of media, angry people in power, and ultra wealthy people that control all this shit.

This is a perfect example of partisan identity politics, completely flying over the 3 branches of government, just to help drum up public support during their elections.

Everyone on all sides admits there will be no arrests, no trails, no jail.

This just a public theater designed to help convince voters to vote for the "good guys"

Based on the facts that have come out over the past couple weeks I think there is a decent chance that this gets referred to the DoJ for criminal investigation.

Whether they specifically get Trump, a little tough to predict right this second. But I think some of the inner circle will go down.

[Jibartik]

Saying that arrests will be made because of a witch hunt is like saying that maybe 1 witch out of 10 of the virgins that couldn't swim makes it worth it.

And your proof she even is a witch was hearsay anyway.

[Reiwa]

I dont know how to say this, but this investigation, it's just people abusing their power to help push their political message.

It's conspiracy with a lot of media, angry people in power, and ultra wealthy people that control all this shit.

This is a perfect example of partisan identity politics, completely flying over the 3 branches of government, just to help drum up public support during their elections.

Everyone on all sides admits there will be no arrests, no trails, no jail.

This just a public theater designed to help convince voters to vote for the "good guys"

Tromp very shitty but we don't go back to normal by requiring self-denunciation from members of the other side who in no way participated in his insurrection.

[starkind]

They can't win. They are just insulating themselves with an angry mob.

[cd288]

Saying that arrests will be made because of a witch hunt is like saying that maybe 1 witch out of 10 of the virgins that couldn't swim makes it worth it.

And your proof she even is a witch was hearsay anyway.

It's a witch hunt to investigate a guy for instigating a mob to pour into the capitol building to try and stop an election. That's an....interesting take, I suppose lol

Most of what's come out in the hearings is either not hearsay or falls within an exemption. But again, understandable that some people wouldn't understand that since if you're not a lawyer it's not something you would ever be well versed in and the hearsay/evidence rules are pretty complex.

[Jibartik]

I bet there is a 1:1 correlation with people who voted for Biden in 2020 and people who think this trial is not a witchunt.

Anyone here who is a vocal OT poster that can assure us that they voted for trump in 2020 but feel they were bamboozled now and want him in jail based off what you saw on the news?

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/frtmHtF.gif

[cd288]

I bet there is a 1:1 correlation with people who voted for Biden in 2020 and people who think this trial is not a witchunt.

Anyone here who is a vocal OT poster that can assure us that they voted for trump in 2020 but feel they were bamboozled now and want him in jail based off what you saw on the news?

I know multiple people who voted for him in 2020 and don't think the trial is a witchhunt based on how they saw him act after the election. What people forget is that Americans are largely either middle of the road or right/left of center. As a result, they're not just partisan morons who refuse to look at something and analyze it. So there are plenty of people on the "right" including myself who don't think this is a witch hunt.

Not sure how to respond to your second paragraph because it's kind of nonsensical.

[Castle2.0]

Someone didn't watch the Johnny Depp trial. I only caught meme highlights and the hearsay compilation was hilarious.

But do humor us with your legal knowledge.

Pick a number. Any number.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_803

Asked to provide specific exemptions for the "I wasn't in the car, but Bobby said Trump did this...."

Does not provide any, but then comes back to re-state this exemptions BS.

Most of what's come out in the hearings is either not hearsay or falls within an exemption. But again, understandable that some people wouldn't understand that since if you're not a lawyer it's not something you would ever be well versed in and the hearsay/evidence rules are pretty complex.

Hey pal,

Pick a number. Any number.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_803

Narrator: Seedy, actually read through the law for once. What he could understand, he realized did not apply in this case. Will he admit CNN lied to him, or will he admit the lady's testimony was hearsay? Stay tuned.

[Reiwa]

Asked to provide specific exemptions for the "I wasn't in the car, but Bobby said Trump did this...."

Does not provide any, but then comes back to re-state this exemptions BS.



Hey pal,

Pick a number. Any number.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_803

Narrator: Seedy, actually read through the law for once. What he could understand, he realized was not an exception. Will he admit CNN lied to him, or will he admit the lady's testimony was hearsay? Stay tuned.

Can they even refer to DOJ for anything besides contempt?

Looking for a non-lawyer answer.

[cd288]

Asked to provide specific exemptions for the "I wasn't in the car, but Bobby said Trump did this...."

Does not provide any, but then comes back to re-state this exemptions BS.



Hey pal,

Pick a number. Any number.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_803

Narrator: Seedy, actually read through the law for once. What he could understand, he realized did not apply in this case. Will he admit CNN lied to him, or will he admit the lady's testimony was hearsay? Stay tuned.

Is that the only quote you're asserting is hearsay or are there other specific ones you'd like to know about?

[Jibartik]

I know multiple people who voted for him in 2020 and don't think the trial is a witchhunt based on how they saw him act after the election.

Really? Who? None of the people I know that voted in 2020 changed their minds.

[cd288]

Can they even refer to DOJ for anything besides contempt?

Looking for a non-lawyer answer.

Congressional investigative committees like this can refer things to the DOJ for criminal investigation, yes. In that case, the DOJ then decides what to do (the Committee cannot order them to pursue charges).

Re: contempt, that's actually the one instance where the DOJ would HAVE to pursue charges. If Congress finds someone in contempt, the DOJ must bring the case to a Grand Jury.

[cd288]

really? who?

Like what situation are you in where you're like, "you too huh, you changed your mind about trump in the last 3 weeks?" to multiple people?

Most people I associate with are intelligent and educated. Those on the Republican side are therefore not the extreme right partisan nutjobs. They're Republicans, but they are analytical and not unwilling to admit fault in a Republican politician.

The reason we think the country is just extremely polarized and people would never do that is because the media only broadcasts the people that yell the loudest, which are the people on the far sides of the left/right spectrum. That's why sometimes people are surprised to find that the majority of Americans don't fall into that bucket.

[Jibartik]

I honestly dont think a single forum poster here has changed their stance on any of the candidates? I know I did.

If you look at my posts in 2019 they were staunchly anti trump during the election, i hated that guy I was so afraid we were all gonna die because he was talking about shooting lasers through bodies.

But I definitly dont think what we replaced him with was better at all.

I'm not a fan of either of them, but the replacement is categorically worse, unless you just hate trumps personality.

[Horza]

Really? Who? None of the people I know that voted in 2020 changed their minds.

Nobody here cares what any of your trailer trash friends think, paste eating retard.

[Jibartik]

Most people I associate with are intelligent and educated. Those on the Republican side are therefore not the extreme right partisan nutjobs

you're telling me someone votes for trump in 2020 are intelligent and educated?

If anyone im taking to says "my group is smart, the other group is dumb" then I know which group im talking to.

[Jibartik]

Nobody here cares what any of your trailer trash friends think, paste eating retard.

Man try getting up on the other side of the bed just once in your life.

[cd288]

I honestly dont think a single forum poster here has changed their stance on any of the candidates? I know I did.

If your stance is that most of the people in the OT forum on P99 are a good gauge for what the majority of American citizens are like you might need to seriously re-evaluate your analysis.

[cd288]

you're telling me someone votes for trump in 2020 are intelligent and educated?

1. They had their reasons for voting for Trump in terms of policies and positions he had that were beneficial to them. I can respect someone's intelligence who looks at the issues and thinks through if the candidate would be a positive for them, even if I no longer like the person they voted for.

2. You just said in another comment that you changed your stance on Trump. So I guess you're calling yourself unintelligent and uneducated? I mean, I had suspected at times, but you had never personally confirmed that so thank you.

[Jibartik]

If your stance is that most of the people in the OT forum on P99 are a good gauge for what the majority of American citizens are like you might need to seriously re-evaluate your analysis.

Im not, but I am saying, your story about imaginary people you know, contradicts the literal real people you and I can talk about without me imagining what the person you're making up is like.

Like, youre trying to win an argument, by saying that I should trust you about who you know, and I should ignore what I know.

That alone is just gaslighting at best. Even if you were right, it's the concept of trying to win an argument not by showing me a better result, but by convincing me that the other result is worse and anything I say that disagree's with that is because im a crazy idiot, that I would be arguing against.

[Jibartik]

2. You just said in another comment that you changed your stance on Trump. So I guess you're calling yourself unintelligent and uneducated? I mean, I had suspected at times, but you had never personally confirmed that so thank you.

I never said I changed my stance on trump, ever.

[cd288]

Im not, but I am saying, your story about imaginary people you know, contradicts the literal real people you and I can talk about without me imagining what the person you're making up is like.

Like, youre trying to win an argument, by saying that I should trust you about who you know, and I should ignore what I know.

That alone is just gaslighting at best. Even if you were right, it's the concept of trying to win an argument not by showing me a better result, but by convincing me that the other result is worse and anything I say that disagree's with that is because im a crazy idiot, that I would be arguing against.

I don't care if you believe it or not lmao

Americans don't fall into one polarized bucket or the other and that's a statistical fact. Maybe you're from the deep south where people tend to be right wing and uneducated without critical thinking ability?

[Jibartik]

Why would I believe you about anything if you literally are trying to tell me to my face that I said something that I didn't, nor dont believe.

[cd288]

I never said I changed my stance on trump, ever.


"I honestly dont think a single forum poster here has changed their stance on any of the candidates? I know I did."

Did you mean to say that you didn't*?

[Horza]

2. You just said in another comment that you changed your stance on Trump. So I guess you're calling yourself unintelligent and uneducated? I mean, I had suspected at times, but you had never personally confirmed that so thank you.

Obviously he's contradicting his own argument, but you should stop trying to make sense from the rants of an unmedicated schizophrenic.

[Jibartik]

"I honestly dont think a single forum poster here has changed their stance on any of the candidates? I know I did."

Did you mean to say that you didn't*?

Ok that's fair what I meant was that I went from hating the guy to being indifferent.

I just want to be clear about that. I inferred you said that I changed to support him, which was my bad.

[cd288]

Ok that's fair what I meant was that I went from hating the guy to being indifferent.

I just want to be clear about that. I inferred you said that I changed to support him, which was my bad.

Understood

[Jibartik]

Anyway, what are we talking about? :o

[Jibartik]

Oh yea this trial is a witch hunt and I dont support any of it!

[Reiwa]

I forget why I'm supposed to dislike this person. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/16/jan-6-committee-no-need-for-criminal-referral-merrick-garland/)

Several points deserve underscoring. For starters, a “referral” from the committee would have no legal significance.

[cd288]

Anyway, what are we talking about? :o

Cheese

[cd288]

Several points deserve underscoring. For starters, a “referral” from the committee would have no legal significance.[/URL]

Not sure what you point is? If by legal significance you mean legally able to compel the DOJ to do something then yeah no shit, that's how the system works. Thanks for stating the obvious.

What's significant about a committee referring something to DOJ for criminal investigation is that this usually happens where there's some likelihood that a crime was committed by one or more persons involved. So yeah, it would be a pretty big deal if that referral happened (especially considering the subject matter involved; i.e. a President trying to stop the certification of a legitimate and legal election to keep himself in power...if there is a referral to the DOJ about that it's an absolutely massive event in US history).

[Castle2.0]

"Bob said Billy did this."
-Person Who Was Not Present

Is there a hearsay exemption for this? ^

[Reiwa]

Not sure what you point is? If by legal significance you mean legally able to compel the DOJ to do something then yeah no shit, that's how the system works. Thanks for stating the obvious.

What's significant about a committee referring something to DOJ for criminal investigation is that this usually happens where there's some likelihood that a crime was committed by one or more persons involved. So yeah, it would be a pretty big deal if that referral happened (especially considering the subject matter involved; i.e. a President trying to stop the certification of a legitimate and legal election to keep himself in power...if there is a referral to the DOJ about that it's an absolutely massive event in US history).

I'm trying to find non-contempt referrals to find out the weight of it happening if it happens.

Also lol Neil Gorsuch's mama almost got done up for contempt (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Gorsuch_Burford)

[cd288]

"Bob said Billy did this."
-Person Who Was Not Present

Is there a hearsay exemption for this? ^

I'm assuming you're referring to her statement about the incident in the Secret Service vehicle where Trump tried to grab the steering wheel and things he apparently said while in that car? Or are you asking about other statements? I'll try to explain it as clearly as possible for the former.

Obviously, as an initial matter hearsay rules do not apply in Congressional hearings. Just getting that basic point out of the way. So I'm assuming we're talking about in the case of an actual criminal trial. The hearsay rules have multiple different exemptions and also exceptions that allow the testimony to be admitted as evidence.

Now, another thing to remember here is that hearsay is an out of court statement offered to prove the matter asserted. That's an important distinction because the testimony on the Secret Service incident isn't hearsay if it's not used at trial to actually prove Trump tried to grab the steering wheel. For example, a prosecutor could argue that they are just using that testimony as part of showing Trump's state of mind (although even then there's also a hearsay exemption for that) and if a judge agrees with them then it's not hearsay at all.

If a judge deems it to be hearsay then one of the ways for a prosecutor to argue for it IMO would be present sense impression. Statements someone made about an event either during or very soon after it happened. This is one of the ways the Secret Service story could potentially come in. A prosecutor could argue that she is testifying to comments made right after an event and she is saying right after this happened person A told me this and person B who was also in the car didn't contradict him.

Excited utterance is a possibility, but a bit less firm than the present sense impression. As noted above, defendant's state of mind is also a relevant exemption if we're talking about a case where Trump is the defendant.

Another way you could get that story in if you're in a criminal trial against Trump himself is: 1. First try to get Ornato guy to testify to Trump's actions/statements...in that case it's a statement made by a party who is an opponent in the case (i.e. Trump) and therefore the hearsay rule wouldn't prohibit the testimony; 2. If Ornato refuses to testify, then Hutchinson's testimony fall under an exception to the rule that allows it to be admitted as evidence (you don't want a witness to refuse to testify in order to prevent evidence from being presented). Just another thing to note, if Ornato was a witness in a criminal trial, Hutchinson's testimony about things he said out of court are generally considered exempt from the hearsay rule (so just another thing to consider).

Other things she said are a lot more clearly within exceptions/exemptions to the hearsay rule, but there are ways for the testimony about what was said in the Secret Service vehicle to come in. Really not hard at all to get that into evidence in a criminal trial.

[Rethalis]

Do you think the human population on Mars will be paying attention the the January 6th investigation lead by Nancy Pelosi the IV and Chuck Schumer JR III?

[Reiwa]

If your stance is that most of the people in the OT forum on P99 are a good gauge for what the majority of American citizens are like you might need to seriously re-evaluate your analysis.

https://i.imgur.com/Culvn8z.jpg

[Jibartik]

Do you think the human population on Mars will be paying attention the the January 6th investigation lead by Nancy Pelosi the IV and Chuck Schumer JR III?

no the same way we stopped giving a shit about the prodistants and the catholics when we came to the last new world.

the problem with earth is we have no new frontier for the brave and intrepid few, so instead they're all trapped in here with the nutjobs.

[Mblake1981]

no the same way we stopped giving a shit about the prodistants and the catholics when we came to the last new world.

the problem with earth is we have no new frontier for the brave and intrepid few, so instead they're all trapped in here with the nutjobs.

Maybe if we impose console-standards on them things will improve.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

The sooner people realize this whole charade is run by one big globalist uniparty, the better. it's not left vs right; It's us vs them. Trump was just in their way, and all this shit going down since Biden was 'elected', was supposed to have begun in 2016 when Trump was supposed to lose to Killary (see: they didn't cheat hard enough).

Wake up people, this dog faced pony soldier show has too many people fleeced and blaming Russians.. again.

Meanwhile, 80% of all USD in existence were printed over the last 2 years.. and $40 Bn to Ukraine while Russia clears $100,000,000 on the daily from O&G sales to Europe, should tell you all you need to know.

[Jibartik]

US starts selling oil reserves to china/inda and 0 of it is going into the USA while this is happening

LOL

[Reiwa]

Meanwhile, 80% of all USD in existence were printed over the last 2 years..

What do you mean by that, exactly? Another goldbug allergic to QE?

[Jibartik]

Idk about that but I seriously feel like everything everyone has evert told me about economics must have been a lie if during inflation the goverment is going to release inflation stimulus checks and says it's supposed to help.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

What do you mean by that, exactly? Another goldbug allergic to QE?

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Idk about that but I seriously feel like everything everyone has evert told me about economics must have been a lie if during inflation the goverment is going to release inflation stimulus checks and says it's supposed to help.

[Reiwa]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18182&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1657237366

Nice meme. But you haven't told us what you mean by 'printed'.

[Smoofers]

Bitcoin is dead

[Castle2.0]

Bitcoin is dead

Yes, for the 6th time. May as well sell while low. This gives us more reason to not buy when it's over $100,000 and we call it bubble again. Bitcoin can only be binary: bubble or dead... lolz...

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Nice meme. But you haven't told us what you mean by 'printed'.

Meme? it was a chart. I'm pointing to inflation being driven by the exponential increase in the M1 money supply.

Also not a meme, just a graph-

[Reiwa]

Bitcoin is dead

Yes, for the 6th time. May as well sell while low. This gives us more reason to not buy when it's over $100,000 and we call it bubble again. Bitcoin can only be binary: bubble or dead... lolz...

Bitcoin is just the next step in the rainbow hair agenda.

[Reiwa]

Meme? it was a chart. I'm pointing to inflation being driven by the exponential increase in the M1 money supply.

Also not a meme, just a graph-

I will not grant inflation as your motte; for the third time, what is printed?

[Elizondo]

Daily Reminder Biden is a dogshit President and his supporters are an embarrassment to The Human Race

Hope that helps

[Botten]

Meme? it was a chart. I'm pointing to inflation being driven by the exponential increase in the M1 money supply.

Also not a meme, just a graph-

First, Reminder Elizondo parrots far right misinformation.

A. Trump never got in the ‘way’ his mismanagement of Covid ‘helped’ lead to a worse recession. Demand went down and even refining gas went down (some refineries are still closed). Now Covid has lessened in the US while there is still a lot of lock down in China. Demand in the US for goods is back up. The rest of the world still hasn’t caught up. Russia’s war is not helping to meet the world’s energy needs to get to pre-Covid rate of demand.

B. Money Supply (M1) and the U.S. Economy
For periods of time, measurement of the money supply indicated a close relationship between money supply and some economic variables such as the gross domestic product (GDP), inflation, and price levels. Economists such as -Milton Friedman- argued in support of the theory that the money supply is intertwined with all of these variables.

However, in the past several decades, the relationship between some measurements of the money supply and other primary economic variables has been uncertain at best. Thus, the significance of the money supply acting as a guide for the conduct of monetary policy in the United States has substantially lessened. The graph doesn’t Correlate so essentially it is a meme. Its misinformation is serving only to gratify conservative view points.

C. Check out Inflation Rate YOY in 1978, 1979, 1980 and 1981 it was absolutely terrible. ——Something not actually measured on the graph with the variables used.

1978 - 9.0%
1979 - 13.3%
1980 - 12.5% - Recession
1981 - 8.9% to July

[Castle2.0]

I will not grant inflation as your motte; for the third time, what is printed?

Printed is colloquial. They create money out of thin air to buy assets. This puts money in the economy that wasn't there.

Simple enough for you?

[Jibartik]

If I say here’s $1 million and we’re going to add that to the debt in a year.

And you ask me where that money came from and I say I told you we’re gonna add it to the debt in a year.

That means you printed the money.

[Botten]

Printed is colloquial. They create money out of thin air to buy assets. This puts money in the economy that wasn't there.

Simple enough for you?

That’s not what M1 really is. I think you would fair better taking a Macroeconomics course or two…

Kinda apparent after you insist others gamble with you on whether Bitcoin would rise higher than 40,000; while we may soon be seeing two additional interest rate hikes soon.

Crypto doesn’t do well with interest rate hikes.

[Jibartik]

People that insult people lost the argument lol

[Botten]

People that insult people lost the argument lol

Shush go gum your puréed broccoli. Jeopardy might be on.

[Reiwa]

Printed is colloquial. They create money out of thin air to buy assets. This puts money in the economy that wasn't there.

Simple enough for you?

Isn't that how debt works in general?

[Jibartik]

Shush go gum your puréed broccoli. Jeopardy might be on.

So what are you two arguing about (that has got you so upset??)

It seems like castle is saying cypto is better than fiat.

And your argument is that BIADEN IS NOT THE CAUSE OF INFLATION ITS ACUTLALYL M! BIDEN DIDNT DO IT YOURE A TRUMP BIDENS FAULT GO EAT A DICK YOU STUPID OLD MAN TAKE A CLASS BIDEN DIDNT DO IT BIDEN IS THE BEST

that about right?

[Jibartik]

Reiwa what are you guys talkng about

[Castle2.0]

Isn't that how debt works in general?

No. When I borrow money from Bill, I can only borrow money he has. He can't create money to lend me. Also when Bill buys my car, he pays me in money he already has, not money he just created.

[Jibartik]

I want to know how we spent 6.5 trillion without printing it?

Does anyone even have a receipt for that?

[Kaveh]

No. When I borrow money from Bill, I can only borrow money he has. He can't create money to lend me. Also when Bill buys my car, he pays me in money he already has, not money he just created.

It hasn’t worked this way since at least WW2

But you’re right. Trump and Powell permanently indebted us and will be consumed in eternal hellfire for their sins against the divine republic

[Reiwa]

I want to know how we spent 6.5 trillion without printing it?

Does anyone even have a receipt for that?

Asset swaps go brrr!

[Jibartik]

I didnt ask what theory they use to wave their hands and make everyone go "oh ok that sounds legit"

I meant what assets did they literally swap for what assets and where are the recepts and why cant we add all this shit up and account for it?

"its high bank transfer mumbo jumbo" is the answer always.

[Reiwa]

I didnt ask what theory they use to wave their hands and make everyone go "oh ok that sounds legit"

I meant what assets did they literally swap for what assets and where are the recepts and why cant we add all this shit up and account for it?

"its high bank transfer mumbo jumbo" is the answer always.

Treasury bills and uh bank reserves I think? The articles are seriously hard for me to read.

Hopefully the next generation can understand it. 🙏

[Jibartik]

"junk and magic stuff!"

got it, they print money.

[Reiwa]

"junk and magic stuff!"

got it, they print money.

The world wants dollars very badly.

Well, the educated world.

[Jibartik]

All hail the educated world.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

I will not grant inflation as your motte; for the third time, what is printed?

Printed is colloquial. They create money out of thin air to buy assets. This puts money in the economy that wasn't there.

Simple enough for you?

[Jibartik]

nHI_-4ySY4o

[starkind]

nHI_-4ySY4o

why is it always some fat malding person either male or female (sometimes it's hard to tell either way) with like this crazy dead look in their eyes

demonic possetion?

I would rather get ripped apart by lions than sully my soul with such depravity

[Reiwa]

.

because the money ends up in bank reserves, from the perspective of the economy it is standard spending.

only in the fed's finance books does it look like 'printing'.

[Jibartik]

The same people that are organizing this committee gave 800 billion dollars in forgiven ppp loans for workers and 75% of it didn’t go to the workers.

I don’t know how you could believe these people you. these people tell you lies and then you’re like, they’re definitely not lying about this one though!! You know they just gave out $700 billion to workers and it was all stolen because these people are complete idiots, and then you’re gonna be like oh yeah the trial that they’re making up is totally real.

[Reiwa]

The same people that are organizing this committee gave 800 billion dollars in forgiven ppp loans for workers and 75% of it didn’t go to the workers.

I don’t know how you could believe these people you. these people tell you lies and then you’re like, they’re definitely not lying about this one though!! You know they just gave out $700 billion to workers and it was all stolen because these people are complete idiots, and then you’re gonna be like oh yeah the trial that they’re making up is totally real.

Passthrough income yes it did, though you are correct that the workers/public don't understand it.

[Reiwa]

probably not the right word but you know what the hell i mean

[Jibartik]

Passthrough income yes it did, though you are correct that the workers/public don't understand it.

probably not the right word but you know what the hell i mean

yeah you misspelled trickledown economics.

[Jibartik]

This is what we're looking at right now by these politicians

1. trying to arrest the opposition
2. ignored proof there was actual election tampering
3. worked with media to lie about the news to protect biden during election
4. trickledown economics
5. recession
6. selling off oil reserves to foreign countries
7. bloodiest war I have ever seen in my lifetime.
8. fed the afghan children to dogs. (the ones they didn't directly make the call to blow up a car load of)

[Reiwa]

yeah you misspelled trickledown economics.

Did you keep getting paid during the shutdowns?

[Jibartik]

Having this conversation is like having a conversation with a republican about why trickle down economics doesn't work, especially if the goverment gives the money to trickle down to the boss and say it's for the employees.

[Reiwa]

Not because of PPP loans but I watched 3 friends remodel because of them.

Who paid you?

[Reiwa]

I think could layoff a certain percentage and still have it forgiven(grant).

Otherwise it a loan.

[Jibartik]

I think could layoff a certain percentage and still have it forgiven(grant).

Otherwise it a loan.

I dont know what you dont undestand about this. Its not like a conspiracy.

I get it you like reganomics OK fine well teh recession in the 80s and now because of trickle down economis should finally prove to that it doesnt work!

https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/fed-report-finds-75-of-800-billion-paycheck-protection-program-didnt-reach-employees/article_992cd82e-fe23-11ec-8410-dbdc871cdafc.html

https://i.imgur.com/mX20XxA.png

[Reiwa]

I dont know what you dont undestand about this. Its not like a conspiracy.

I get it you like reganomics OK fine well teh recession in the 80s and now because of trickle down economis should finally fucking prove to you that it doesnt work!

https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/fed-report-finds-75-of-800-billion-paycheck-protection-program-didnt-reach-employees/article_992cd82e-fe23-11ec-8410-dbdc871cdafc.html

https://i.imgur.com/mX20XxA.png

PPP loans saved 2.97 million jobs per week in the second quarter of 2020 and 1.75 million per week during the fourth quarter of 2020.

[Jibartik]

Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

[Reiwa]

Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

Eh look it up. You can and I did! 🖤

e: here go https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/

[Jibartik]

Sorry this fed report is the latest report and userps any of the anti vax info you found online.

I listen to the professionals.

[Kaveh]

Those I bonds I started buying in 2018 are really paying off now. Used to just buy TIPS but trump being a colossal moron steered me correct!

Slava Irani

(JK Jib, I stayed with TIPS until 2021, fuck me)

[Jibartik]

Im thinking of going physical and getting a bunch of precious metals and hiding them in the trees around my house.

[Kaveh]

Im thinking of going physical and getting a bunch of precious metals and hiding them in the trees around my house.

Not a bad idea. I support the kelethin approach

[Jibartik]

I found out how buying precious metals works, its so rad.

You walk into a store and pay like 4$ over the price for an ounce of silver, and walk out with an ounce of silver like a cowboy its so rad.

me during the mass exodus to get onto the transport ships before the nuke hits:

WoOlYCWoZbs

[Rainik Stormseeker]

because the money ends up in bank reserves, from the perspective of the economy it is standard spending.

only in the fed's finance books does it look like 'printing'.

so where did the money come from?

[Jibartik]

Where the money comes from is irrelevant if we use it to inflate the economy so our debt is dwarfed by 500% (sorry about your grandma's fixed economy)

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Where the money comes from is irrelevant if we use it to inflate the economy so our debt is dwarfed by 500% (sorry about your grandma's fixed economy)

Actually, my mom's, but thanks.

[Jibartik]

Sorry pal.

Living through tribulation sucks.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

SO I'm torturing myself with this soap opera today.. these people are either on mushrooms, or literally weaving this tapestry of ridiculousness to save their own skins.

This is like a really bad Hollywood B movie gone to Bollywood; Adam Schiff must have written the script (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/adam-schiff-once-wanted-to-be-a-screenwriter-can-he-give-the-trump-presidency-a-hollywood-ending/2019/10/31/07cb9594-f748-11e9-ad8b-85e2aa00b5ce_story.html), because it's wholly detached from what I watched with my own eyes and listened to with my own ears from the comfort of my home... just a bunch of bombast.

[Mblake1981]

me during the mass exodus to get onto the transport ships before the nuke hits:

WoOlYCWoZbs

When jib begins doom-posting, I think about The Tick shouting SpOooOoN but its DoOOoOOm!

4iGSAFjzBd8

[Mblake1981]

FohmUXh9rwk

[Tewaz]

Man it's spicy today boys!

Hope all of the Joke 6 Committee truthers didn't text their local Proud Boy leader, it could be on the screen.

[Mblake1981]

You must be referring to lurkers on their cellphones.

[Jibartik]

I was watching a bit of jan 6

they had a guy with a voice modulator so he could remain anonomous speaking hearsay for like 15 minuets.

Fuckn robot voice hearsay trial lol

[Mblake1981]

I was watching a bit of jan 6

they had a guy with a voice modulator so he could remain anonomous speaking hearsay for like 15 minuets.

Fuckn robot voice hearsay trial lol

[voice box]

I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung

[Tewaz]

Sorry Jib missed the text messages portion.

[Ooloo]

Guys I just watched the OJ simpson committee hearing where they just played the OJ trial but cut out all of the prosecution and literally any witness that isn't sympathetic to the defense. I think this is *prettttty* damning of the notion that OJ killed his wife, if you ask me.

[Reiwa]

Guys I just watched the OJ simpson committee hearing where they just played the OJ trial but cut out all of the prosecution and literally any witness that isn't sympathetic to the defense. I think this is *prettttty* damning of the notion that OJ killed his wife, if you ask me.

Why you expecting a court of law? Is because dumb? https://i.imgur.com/f0ymOvl.gif

[Rainik Stormseeker]

I was watching a bit of jan 6

they had a guy with a voice modulator so he could remain anonomous speaking hearsay for like 15 minuets.

Fuckn robot voice hearsay trial lol

Yes, that was a "former Twitter employee", who interestingly, was able to remain anonymous vs everyone.

Also kind of ironic; if Jan 6 was such a day of infamy, with Prez T himself "calling to arms" in December.. why'd they trend it? Why didn't they shut it all down? Ratskin and his pedo pals want you to believe they have a crystal ball, reading into and inserting motive and connections everywhere.. like-

"the proud boys are a far right street fighting group that glorifies violence and white supremacy"

and

"the Oathkeepers are extremists that promote a wide range of conspiracey teories.."

yet nowhere did Trump have a connection to them, and both are full of fed assets, the former having been founded by FBI asset Enrico Tarrio..almost like the agitators were manufactured. huh.

Oh and some of those same clowns were at the "kidnapping attempt on Meg Whitman" at the Lansing capitol building in October 2020, before the elction, kinda like a dress rehearsal lol

[Elizondo]

Joke circus is a laughable Kangaroo Court

Groomers play acting a Stalin Show Trial

[Ooloo]

Why you expecting a court of law? Is because dumb? https://i.imgur.com/f0ymOvl.gif

What? Yes, reiwa, my point is that the fact it is not a court of law renders the whole thing a big dumb clown show, with some kind of vague appearance of legitimacy because most people don't understand anything.

[robayon]

panem et circenses works both ways, chuds

[Botten]

What? Yes, reiwa, my point is that the fact it is not a court of law renders the whole thing a big dumb clown show, with some kind of vague appearance of legitimacy because most people don't understand anything.

*sigh so you still don’t understand. Okay let’s try again.

Orange pedo who fauns over his own daughter and admits to wanting to date her is a traitor. He also flew on the Lolita Express more than once.

Ah who am I fooling I have explained too much; you are still to lost. Poor Baler.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

OH so Trump, in his own speech, didn't actually call to overturn an election, he just advocated for the Constitutional process of states recertifying their tallies... states which apparently wanted to. Gotcha. Thx #Jan6Crapmittee

https://i.imgur.com/1HLs0Gz.png

[Rainik Stormseeker]

oH hAi

https://i.imgur.com/gvAgSWG.png

meanwhile, none of the protestors were armed.

[Reiwa]

OH so Trump, in his own speech, didn't actually call to overturn an election, he just advocated for the Constitutional process of states recertifying their tallies... states which apparently wanted to. Gotcha. Thx #Jan6Crapmittee


Should get at least a partial answer in Harper v Moore next term.

[Botten]

oH hAi

https://i.imgur.com/gvAgSWG.png

meanwhile, none of the protestors were armed.

O’rly

People have already been charged with violent offenses, including assault on police officers, armed with deadly or dangerous weapons during the riot at the Capitol.

Others are facing civil disorder or property destruction charges, also charged with possessing weapons, according to the NPR database.

Some of the weapons included baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole.

[Reiwa]

O’rly

People have already been charged with violent offenses, including assault on police officers, armed with deadly or dangerous weapons during the riot at the Capitol.

Others are facing civil disorder or property destruction charges, also charged with possessing weapons, according to the NPR database.

Some of the weapons included baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole.

No traffic cone?

[robayon]

No traffic cone?that would be what gets em over the hump for domestic terrorism charges

[Rainik Stormseeker]

O’rly

People have already been charged with violent offenses, including assault on police officers, armed with deadly or dangerous weapons during the riot at the Capitol.

Others are facing civil disorder or property destruction charges, also charged with possessing weapons, according to the NPR database.

Some of the weapons included baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole.

"armed revolution"

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lolisandpotts.com%2FAnimatedGi fs%2FBWAHAHAHA.gif&f=1&nofb=1

[Botten]

"armed revolution"



Being wrong hurts you. There there your Trumptard world is already crashing around you.

[Kaveh]

In England, lying about parties gets you out of government. In America, we make excuses for trump clearly not accepting that he lost by 7 million votes

Funny how he was ok with the electoral college when it worked out for him. When it didn’t he broke the law

[Reiwa]

Funny how he was ok with the electoral college when it worked out for him. When it didn’t he broke the law

Kinda like how the Superbowl champions challenge the result of a game they won every year.

[Tewaz]

"armed revolution"

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lolisandpotts.com%2FAnimatedGi fs%2FBWAHAHAHA.gif&f=1&nofb=1

It's only an armed revolution if more people were killed by guns and it succeeded.

Brain so smooooooooooooth.

[Kaveh]

Kinda like how the Superbowl champions challenge the result of a game they won every year.

I gave up on football man the cowboys blow. You’ll have to explain this reference

[Tewaz]

I just love that people don't think Donald Trump wouldn't do this. It's 100% something he would do if you've ever seen...any single thing he's ever done.

[Ooloo]

In England, lying about parties gets you out of government. In America, we make excuses for trump clearly not accepting that he lost by 7 million votes

Funny how he was ok with the electoral college when it worked out for him. When it didn’t he broke the law

Uh he didn't break the law though? They have been trying desperately to say he did for like 2 years now. He's an arrogant blowhard with a huge ego, he didn't break any laws though unless you have privileged information nobody else does.

Also lol, the electoral college thing can be applied to literally any election ever, regardless of which party wins. The dems do the exact same thing. Unfortunately dems also flip flop on other things like the fillibuster. You can find clips of biden explaining why it's so important from like less than ten years ago. Now it's all "its supposed to be majority rule! what is this 60% stuff??!" Like yeah joe, that's the whole point of this country. There's supposed to be gridlock, to avoid 51% of people always telling the other 49% how to live. He's only suddenly against it when they can't get stuff they want. Same exact mechanism as the electoral college double standard.

[Jibartik]

Figuring out what the politicians are doing is more complicated than Tax law at this point.

They really red tapped yall into a prison.

[hobart]

Also lol, the electoral college thing can be applied to literally any election ever, regardless of which party wins. The dems do the exact same thing.

No. This was a new low for both parties. By like a mile.

[Horza]

Uh he didn't break the law though? They have been trying desperately to say he did for like 2 years now. He's an arrogant blowhard with a huge ego, he didn't break any laws though unless you have privileged information nobody else does.

Also lol, the electoral college thing can be applied to literally any election ever, regardless of which party wins. The dems do the exact same thing. Unfortunately dems also flip flop on other things like the fillibuster. You can find clips of biden explaining why it's so important from like less than ten years ago. Now it's all "its supposed to be majority rule! what is this 60% stuff??!" Like yeah joe, that's the whole point of this country. There's supposed to be gridlock, to avoid 51% of people always telling the other 49% how to live. He's only suddenly against it when they can't get stuff they want. Same exact mechanism as the electoral college double standard.

This is a whole lot of words just to say that contemporary Republicans are hypocrites and liars who would eagerly tear down our democracy just to see four more years of a reality television grifter in the White House.

[Kaveh]

Uh he didn't break the law though? They have been trying desperately to say he did for like 2 years now. He's an arrogant blowhard with a huge ego, he didn't break any laws though unless you have privileged information nobody else does.

Also lol, the electoral college thing can be applied to literally any election ever, regardless of which party wins. The dems do the exact same thing. Unfortunately dems also flip flop on other things like the fillibuster. You can find clips of biden explaining why it's so important from like less than ten years ago. Now it's all "its supposed to be majority rule! what is this 60% stuff??!" Like yeah joe, that's the whole point of this country. There's supposed to be gridlock, to avoid 51% of people always telling the other 49% how to live. He's only suddenly against it when they can't get stuff they want. Same exact mechanism as the electoral college double standard.

No. This was a new low for both parties. By like a mile.

[Rainik Stormseeker]

This is a whole lot of words just to say that contemporary Republicans are hypocrites and liars who would eagerly tear down our democracy just to see four more years of a reality television grifter in the White House.

Whole lot of words, meet Whole Lot of Words 2.

Also, Trump did not commit treason or sedition, otherwise you and I BOTH know he's be either in jail or executed by now. After all, that's the left's wet dream.

[Rethalis]

Why is the committee not going to allow Steve Bannon to publicly testify?

[Jibartik]

Because liberals hate themselves.

[Tearrah]

Because liberals hate themselves.

they are inclusive.. they HATE everyone

[Ooloo]

Why is the committee not going to allow Steve Bannon to publicly testify?

Cause they need more amber heards to get up there and lie about how trump hulked out and gave his secret service dudes a stone cold stunner while driving or whatever

[cd288]

Cause they need more amber heards to get up there and lie about how trump hulked out and gave his secret service dudes a stone cold stunner while driving or whatever

It's funny how everyone who is unwilling to admit the fact that it's pretty likely a crime occurred focuses in on this one narrow thing of "did Trump try to grab a steering wheel"...and do you know why people focus in on that? Because it's the only real fact that's disputable. Everything else that has come out makes it clear that there were potentially criminal actions that occurred.

People are going to go down for this when the Committee refers it to the DOJ. Which IMO is a good thing. Let's get these crazy nut jobs out of everything and work on rebuilding the Republican party into something respectable that makes me proud to be a Republican.

[Castle2.0]

Attorneys focus on specific facts. That's how cases are won.

If one side makes a big deal about a "fact", and the other side disagrees, it's on them to make an equally big deal in addressing that "fact."

In this situation, it's hearsay. "Bob told me Bill did this." Easy win. There's ample reason to make a big deal out of this.

1) Dems called the witness
2) Dems hyped the testimony
3) It's obvious hearsay

We should be hyping it more =) They faceplanted. We should point it out.

If the Dem case was so strong, they wouldn't be hyping hearsay. They have no case. It's all publicity to hopefully maybe slightly weaken the midterm assault coming. That's it.

4 months and then it's a bloodbath. Let's go.

[cd288]

You pointed out one statement that you thought was hearsay. I explained how in a trial that statement would be admissible. So we've already done that exercise, just because you don't like the answer or you don't have the legal understanding to process the information I gave you doesn't mean it's wrong lol.

Sorry, it's not hearsay lol. Keep panicking though.

Who cares about the midterms when it comes to this? I couldn't care less if the Committee has zero effect on the midterms. It's about accountability for people who tried to disrupt the democratic process for their own personal benefit. The hearings will be done and the referral to DOJ completed before the midterms...could it affect the midterms who knows but I don't care if it has zero effect on them at all, I'm just happy people are going to go down for the crimes they committed.

And I'm a Republican so this isn't an issue of political bias...the sanctity of our system is more important than anything - and everyone should feel that way, but you're so obsessed with "owning the Libs" that you'd sacrifice the good of our country just to be able to post "lol sucks Dems" on a message board. Good job.

[Botten]

Tumptards like why won't you let it become a carnival of talking over each other. You know with screaming and fake parroted conspiracies.

Only jokes are those Trump supporters that still don't understand the scandals the Republican party needs to get through... Yet Again... Nixon... Bush.... Trump

[Rainik Stormseeker]

...the scandals the Republican party needs to get through...

explain, using more than your 24-word vocabulary.

[Ooloo]

It's funny how everyone who is unwilling to admit the fact that it's pretty likely a crime occurred focuses in on this one narrow thing of "did Trump try to grab a steering wheel"...and do you know why people focus in on that? Because it's the only real fact that's disputable. Everything else that has come out makes it clear that there were potentially criminal actions that occurred.

People are going to go down for this when the Committee refers it to the DOJ. Which IMO is a good thing. Let's get these crazy nut jobs out of everything and work on rebuilding the Republican party into something respectable that makes me proud to be a Republican.

Hey I totally agree any actual criminal actions that occurred should be punished accordingly. But "it's clear that maybe, potentially criminal actions might have occurred" isn't exactly a bombshell. They tried impeaching over this exact issue and it failed, precisely because they couldn't establish that anything criminal occurred, so what exactly is the point of this totally one-sided political show trial? Like, get back to me when they have hard evidence. "Day 563 of the jan 6 committee: BOMBSHELL: Crime maybe occured we think!" is getting old.

[Castle2.0]

You pointed out one statement that you thought was hearsay. I explained how in a trial that statement would be admissible. So we've already done that exercise, just because you don't like the answer or you don't have the legal understanding to process the information I gave you doesn't mean it's wrong lol.

Sorry, it's not hearsay lol. Keep panicking though.

Who cares about the midterms when it comes to this? I couldn't care less if the Committee has zero effect on the midterms. It's about accountability for people who tried to disrupt the democratic process for their own personal benefit. The hearings will be done and the referral to DOJ completed before the midterms...could it affect the midterms who knows but I don't care if it has zero effect on them at all, I'm just happy people are going to go down for the crimes they committed.

And I'm a Republican so this isn't an issue of political bias...the sanctity of our system is more important than anything - and everyone should feel that way, but you're so obsessed with "owning the Libs" that you'd sacrifice the good of our country just to be able to post "lol sucks Dems" on a message board. Good job.

You gave a number of ways in which statements might be allowed as an exception. You pontificated how maybe somehow possibly the statement might be accepted.

I asked you to pick a number from the list given in the law. You didn't.

Not panicking. Largely unconcerned with this nothing-burger. If they indict the Mayor of Portland who allowed for an actual insurrection, I would take them seriously.

We have limited resources in this short life. I can't be bothered by boys crying wolf and liars. If a group of people constantly lie for personal political gain while simultaneously promoting ideas and policies that are destructive... yes, I won't be spending time listening to them or taking them seriously.

Oh, and if anyone committed an actual crime, D or R, hang 'em high.

[Botten]

...They tried impeaching over this exact issue and it failed, precisely because they couldn't establish that anything criminal occurred, so what exactly is the point of this totally one-sided political show trial?

A. He was impeached. Not that they tried. He was impeached.

B. You don't need a crime to impeach

C. The committee is providing their finding to DoJ and DoJ will determine if a crime has been committed.

Stop parroting Trumptard conspiracy talking points that are wrong.

[cd288]

Tumptards like why won't you let it become a carnival of talking over each other. You know with screaming and fake parroted conspiracies.

Only jokes are those Trump supporters that still don't understand the scandals the Republican party needs to get through... Yet Again... Nixon... Bush.... Trump

Well it's also a sort of asinine complaint because the opportunity was there to get whatever Trump allies they wanted on the Committee...a full bipartisan Committee was originally proposed and was rejected and Trump scoffed at it and said it would be a terrible idea for his allies to join the Committee.

And now he and his moronic supporters are all complaining about how there is no one on the Committee to defend him or ask the questions he wants asked. It's like, then you should have taken the opportunity when you had it you moron.

[Ooloo]

A. He was impeached. Not that they tried. He was impeached.

B. You don't need a crime to impeach

C. The committee is providing their finding to DoJ and DoJ will determine if a crime has been committed.

Stop parroting Trumptard conspiracy talking points that are wrong.

Ok hall monitor, I'm sorry for misusing the term impeach. Yes he was impeached, in an effort to remove him from office, which failed. As if you didn't know that's exactly what I meant.

Also lol "findings", yes their findings which consist in part of some woman just blatantly lying about something that never happened, according to the very people she claimed it happened to. The integrity of our sacred democracy is very important, dontcha know, and these dems are standing up for all that is true and good!!

[cd288]

Hey I totally agree any actual criminal actions that occurred should be punished accordingly. But "it's clear that maybe, potentially criminal actions might have occurred" isn't exactly a bombshell. They tried impeaching over this exact issue and it failed, precisely because they couldn't establish that anything criminal occurred, so what exactly is the point of this totally one-sided political show trial? Like, get back to me when they have hard evidence. "Day 563 of the jan 6 committee: BOMBSHELL: Crime maybe occured we think!" is getting old.

I say "potentially" because I'm a lawyer so that's just my instinct to write lol. I think people are definitely going down for this, the evidence is really clear.

And no the impeachment didn't fail for that reason lol. The primary reason it failed was because a bunch of moronic Republicans just took the partisan line and refused to convict no matter what. It was clear enough at that time. However, if you want to get technical about it, like 90% of the evidence that has come out through the Committee process was not known at the time of the impeachment trial...ergo, the impeachment proceedings aren't really relevant overall.

At any rate, stop letting yourself take politics so personally. I'm a Republican and I think it's okay to admit when a candidate was awful and did something messed up. That doesn't mean the "libs win" or some bs like that. Allowing something like Jan 6th to happen without any sort of repercussions would be terrible for the future of our country and our system. Put your personal desire to "own the Libs" and your stubbornness aside for a few seconds and let's do the right thing here and then we can all put it behind us and move forward into a new (hopefully better) era of American politics.

[cd288]

Ok hall monitor, I'm sorry for misusing the term impeach. Yes he was impeached, in an effort to remove him from office, which failed. As if you didn't know that's exactly what I meant.

Also lol "findings", yes their findings which consist in part of some woman just blatantly lying about something that never happened, according to the very people she claimed it happened to. The integrity of our sacred democracy is very important, dontcha know, and these dems are standing up for all that is true and good!!

See now you're showing how you're not educated on these issues as well as the legal intricacies around them. I assume you're referring to the statement about Trump trying to grab a steering wheel. She never "claimed that happened"; she was asked a question and said "person A told me X happened".

[Horza]

Ok hall monitor, I'm sorry for misusing the term impeach. Yes he was impeached, in an effort to remove him from office, which failed. As if you didn't know that's exactly what I meant.

Also lol "findings", yes their findings which consist in part of some woman just blatantly lying about something that never happened, according to the very people she claimed it happened to. The integrity of our sacred democracy is very important, dontcha know, and these dems are standing up for all that is true and good!!

You guys wouldn't even admit that he lost the election as an incumbent (no small feat itself), but it's ridiculous to assume that any hearing no matter how thorough would ever get through to the biggest paste eating Trumptards like yourself.

[Jibartik]

this thing was designed to do 1 thing, make people fight each other.

the goverment is trying to turn this place into the thunderdome so they can ratchet up their power, consolidate their wealth.

[Castle2.0]

Well it's also a sort of asinine complaint because the opportunity was there to get whatever Trump allies they wanted on the Committee...a full bipartisan Committee was originally proposed and was rejected and Trump scoffed at it and said it would be a terrible idea for his allies to join the Committee.

And now he and his moronic supporters are all complaining about how there is no one on the Committee to defend him or ask the questions he wants asked. It's like, then you should have taken the opportunity when you had it you moron.

Yes, we should have put some allies on the Witch Hunt and legitimized it...

"You know... you could have had representation in this kangaroo court..."

[Jibartik]

After all the "hearsay you're honor" I heard during the amber heard trial, there is no way anything at these jan 6th trials would be admissable in court, not a chance.

"He reached over from the back seat like an action movie, and grabbed the wheel and tried to drive the beast right up the stairs himself!"

[Horza]

I'm genuinely surprised you Trumptards still haven't realized committee hearings aren't court cases. Too much paste?

[Jibartik]

Im genuenly suprised you forgot we said this was not a court case and that it wouldnt hold up in one because of what we just said.

Too many paste spams?

Now again, lets try to make it about the topic, not your opinions of people commenting on it, ok?

[Horza]

You just referred to the congressional hearings as these jan 6th trials in your previous comment, fucking idiot.

[Jibartik]

I also called them a kangaroo court, you think I think there are actual kangaroos in there!?

[Horza]

I don't take much you pedophile worshipers say seriously this early in the day, it's best to wait until you get your talking points from Tucker.

[Castle2.0]

Hearsay is struck from the record in real criminal cases for a reason.

It's not that they are held to a lesser standard and have no real legal power. It's that they try to pretend otherwise ;)

I mean... folks. We saw the Kavanaugh trial with an everchanging narrative and all the key points were denied by even a long-time friend of the accuser herself...

Another nothing burger story being used for political purposes. *yawn*

*looks over at countdown to November elections*

[Botten]

Hearsay is struck from the record in real criminal cases for a reason.

It's not that they are held to a lesser standard and have no real legal power. It's that they try to pretend otherwise ;)

I mean... folks. We saw the Kavanaugh trial with an everchanging narrative and all the key points were denied by even a long-time friend of the accuser herself...

Another nothing burger story being used for political purposes. *yawn*

*looks over at countdown to November elections*

Ah yes Kavanaugh “hearings” (again not trail)

How is it that Republicans have 2 accused rapists and a woman who dismissed the charges on a pedo that raped a girl twice (once when she was pregnant).

Only nothing burger is Benghazi

You Trumptards are just worried about what Bannon and Stone will saying.

[Reiwa]

Yes, we should have put some allies on the Witch Hunt and legitimized it...

"You know... you could have had representation in this kangaroo court..."

They were gonna but Pelosi vetoed their picks so McCarthy told them to all withdraw. Liz Cheney didn't listen so she got kicked out lol.

[cd288]

After all the "hearsay you're honor" I heard during the amber heard trial, there is no way anything at these jan 6th trials would be admissable in court, not a chance.

"He reached over from the back seat like an action movie, and grabbed the wheel and tried to drive the beast right up the stairs himself!"

Except she never said he did that. She said someone told him he did. And I’ve outlined multiple ways in which her statements would be admissible at trial.

Love when non lawyers try to pretend like they understand the hearsay rule which is honestly one of the most complex rules of evidence lol. You quite literally have zero idea what you’re talking about but I’m not surprised by that.

The vast majority of statements made in testimony to the committee would be admissible at trial. Including basically all of hutchinson’s btw.

[cd288]

Yes, we should have put some allies on the Witch Hunt and legitimized it...

"You know... you could have had representation in this kangaroo court..."

I mean hey if you feel like you don’t want people on there for whatever reason that’s fine. But then Trump can’t whine about how he’s not being defended in the hearings after he told people not to join the committee lol

[cd288]

You gave a number of ways in which statements might be allowed as an exception. You pontificated how maybe somehow possibly the statement might be accepted.

I asked you to pick a number from the list given in the law. You didn't.

Not panicking. Largely unconcerned with this nothing-burger. If they indict the Mayor of Portland who allowed for an actual insurrection, I would take them seriously.

We have limited resources in this short life. I can't be bothered by boys crying wolf and liars. If a group of people constantly lie for personal political gain while simultaneously promoting ideas and policies that are destructive... yes, I won't be spending time listening to them or taking them seriously.

Oh, and if anyone committed an actual crime, D or R, hang 'em high.

The ways I explained to get it in were literally on the list you copied and pasted from the rules of evidence you idiot lmao

[Jibartik]

Except she never said he did that. She said someone told him he did.

https://i.imgur.com/XrZiQzf.png

[Skarne]

Pwnd

[Jibartik]

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[Horza]

Jib is giving off serious Lennie vibes today. I really need to get around to rereading some Steinbeck sooner or later.

[Jibartik]

https://i.imgur.com/duC1vKb.gif

[Ooloo]

Except she never said he did that. She said someone told him he did. And I’ve outlined multiple ways in which her statements would be admissible at trial.

Love when non lawyers try to pretend like they understand the hearsay rule which is honestly one of the most complex rules of evidence lol. You quite literally have zero idea what you’re talking about but I’m not surprised by that.

The vast majority of statements made in testimony to the committee would be admissible at trial. Including basically all of hutchinson’s btw.

Right so in other words, her "testimony" is even *more* worthless!

Like, why are you defending it so hard? Two things can be true: hutchinson is a ridiculous, cynical distraction, but *also* if trump did do something wrong legally, he should be held accountable. Simple!

Then the rest of your post is some kind of credential flex about lol ur not a lawyer bro. Great, we don't all have to be lawyers to talk about the lawyery lawyer stuff anyway.

[Castle2.0]

The ways I explained to get it in were literally on the list you copied and pasted from the rules of evidence you idiot lmao

Sorry pal, I hope you're not a lawyer. Not very persuasive.

"Bill told me Bob did this."

Effectively what she said. It matches none of the reasons you gave. Exclusions are quite specific and limited. Online degree?

[Rethalis]

Is there anything more pompous than an argument from authority?

[Reiwa]

Sorry pal, I hope you're not a lawyer. Not very persuasive.

"Bill told me Bob did this."

Effectively what she said. It matches none of the reasons you gave. Exclusions are quite specific and limited. Online degree?

Hearsay is perfectly admissible in an argument among the vulgate.

[Castle2.0]

The assistant to the maker of the rules told me that the rule maker said no to hearsay when he wrote the rules. I am somethingsomething credible, and a woman. I must be believed.

[Reiwa]

the maker of the rules

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentarian_of_the_United_States_House_of_Repr esentatives

Senate it's a chick. She's a 4 or 5.

[Castle2.0]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentarian_of_the_United_States_House_of_Repr esentatives

Senate it's a chick. She's a 4 or 5.

You missed the point again. I'm not saying what is "admissable" or not in political theatre "hearings." I am saying it is hearsay and wouldn't hold up in real hearing. But nice try to try to scrape back some credibility when your "it's an exception to hearsay" fell flat.

[Reiwa]

You missed the point again. I'm not saying what is "admissable" or not in political theatre "hearings." I am saying it is hearsay and wouldn't hold up in real hearing. But nice try to try to scrape back some credibility when your "it's an exception to hearsay" fell flat.

I never said it was an exception to hearsay.

I said it wasn't against the rules of the House chamber.

Which the Parliamentarian decides!

Shutup moron.

[Castle2.0]

I might be conflating you with cd288, another loser. My bad.

[Jibartik]

I never said it was an exception to hearsay.

I said it wasn't against the rules of the House chamber.

Which the Parliamentarian decides!

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[cd288]

Sorry pal, I hope you're not a lawyer. Not very persuasive.

"Bill told me Bob did this."

Effectively what she said. It matches none of the reasons you gave. Exclusions are quite specific and limited. Online degree?

As I said, just because you’re not able to understand my explanation because you have no idea about anything doesn’t make my explanation wrong lmao

[Reiwa]

I might be conflating you with cd288, another loser. My bad.

Yes you are bad and also very dumb.

[robayon]

Is there anything more pompous than an argument from authority?Yes, please see posts by forums user Homesteaded, everything that hypocrite scumbag says is loaded with empty sanctimony and arrogant bile

[Botten]

Yes, please see posts by forums user Homesteaded, everything that hypocrite scumbag says is loaded with empty sanctimony and arrogant bile

^ this

[Skarne]

Yes, please see posts by forums user Homesteaded, everything that hypocrite scumbag says is loaded with empty sanctimony and arrogant bile

I feel bad for them and pity the fools. Their worldview is so narrow that to face the truth would crush everything they believe in.

[Ooloo]

"Everyone who disagrees with me can't SEE THE TRUTH and is MEGAWRONG!!"

"Ok but the hearing is retarded and bad"

"You can't accept reality!!!!"

"Wait what is your point?"

"Technically hearsay is yada yada yada yada ur so DUMB!"

Great stuff guys, stimulating.

[robayon]

"Everyone who disagrees with me can't SEE THE TRUTH and is MEGAWRONG!!"

"Ok but the hearing is retarded and bad"

"You can't accept reality!!!!"

"Wait what is your point?"

"Technically hearsay is yada yada yada yada ur so DUMB!"

Great stuff guys, stimulating.Pre-qualifying the gymnastics to come, I see

The only consistent position of a Ben Shapiro worshipper is being reliably wrong

[Jibartik]

I love how democrats used to be like, lets get rid of pirsons!

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/vzsexx/jan_6th_grandma_fucked_around_now_shes_got/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

well you got grandma back in the clink everyone can go back to work were saved.

[Homesteaded]

Yes, please see posts by forums user Homesteaded, everything that hypocrite scumbag says is loaded with empty sanctimony and arrogant bile

What am I hypocritical on? Sorry I believe in Jesus and not killing babies. (Not sorry)

[robayon]

What am I hypocritical on? Sorry I believe in Jesus and not killing babies. (Not sorry)Conservative beliefs and defense of capitalism are incompatibile with Christian ones. Supporting those things means you are okay with countless babies being killed, so your anti-liberty views on abortion are meaningless. You just want the correct babies to die, false christian. The Jesus I am familiar with would slap the shit out of you.

[Kaveh]

Neither one of you can speak for God. This is why we have the first amendment and we don’t try to find the correct path like the Byzantine empire used to. They had a centuries long struggle over Iconography because factions differed in whether the nation could find favor with God by having or banning icons.

It’s dumb and doesn’t belong in the 21st century. I’ve believed in God since I was old enough to think but honestly, imposing those beliefs theoufh the force of government is a terrible idea

[Evia]

People trying to "play god" and force their moral beliefs and standards onto other people for the "greater good" is some satanic level logic. It's not up to us to force others to see things our way, only to love them. If you think they're immoral or wrong that's fine but it's not for you to cast judgement and force them to change because then you become fascist and tyrannical.

[Jibartik]

Conservative beliefs and defense of capitalism are incompatibile with Christian ones. Supporting those things means you are okay with countless babies being killed, so your anti-liberty views on abortion are meaningless. You just want the correct babies to die, false christian. The Jesus I am familiar with would slap the shit out of you.

Capitalism can’t work without the threat of damnnation.

It’s why we have laws.

Nation of atheists, + a free system of money exchange will always have greed winning out over time.

Right now we’re talking about how we need to have poor people execute their children so that there’s less poor people.

[Reiwa]

Neither one of you can speak for God. This is why we have the first amendment and we don’t try to find the correct path like the Byzantine empire used to. They had a centuries long struggle over Iconography because factions differed in whether the nation could find favor with God by having or banning icons.

It’s dumb and doesn’t belong in the 21st century. I’ve believed in God since I was old enough to think but honestly, imposing those beliefs theoufh the force of government is a terrible idea

The word utopian comes to mind but I don't want to get in trouble for saying it.:o

[Jibartik]

It would be hilarious if after all this time, no graven images was just: No dick picks and titty pics on social media.

[robayon]

Neither one of you can speak for God. This is why we have the first amendment and we don’t try to find the correct path like the Byzantine empire used to. They had a centuries long struggle over Iconography because factions differed in whether the nation could find favor with God by having or banning icons.

It’s dumb and doesn’t belong in the 21st century. I’ve believed in God since I was old enough to think but honestly, imposing those beliefs theoufh the force of government is a terrible ideaI'm not speaking for god. I don't even take any of the holy books of any faith literally, I can get just as much moral guidance from a comic book or a documentary. I just know bullshit when I see it, and I see it frequently. They don't even abide by their own stated beliefs. I consider myself a deist or something if I had to put a sticker on it. I believe in the existence of god, or some kind of higher power I guess, but I believe that god gave us brains so we'd use them. Or brains evolved so that we'd use them. I agree that the government should be absolutely secular.

I always liked that phrase "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."

[Reiwa]

I always liked that phrase "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."

Was it a Frenchman? It sounds like a reference to the Estates. There's more now. 🙃

[Homesteaded]

People trying to "play god" and force their moral beliefs and standards onto other people for the "greater good" is some satanic level logic. It's not up to us to force others to see things our way, only to love them. If you think they're immoral or wrong that's fine but it's not for you to cast judgement and force them to change because then you become fascist and tyrannical.

Hard to force anything on a baby who is killed before being born. I care more about the innocent unborn than I do some lazy slob who got pregnant and doesn’t want to take responsibility(90% of abortions are done for convenience).

I can love someone and also not support their choice to ruin their life.

[Jibartik]

I always liked that phrase "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."

I like that too, all we gotta do is get the last 2 people left alive on earth to do this and we will finally be free of that stupid construct:

https://i.imgur.com/aafqrGL.gif

[Ooloo]

Hard to force anything on a baby who is killed before being born. I care more about the innocent unborn than I do some lazy slob who got pregnant and doesn’t want to take responsibility(90% of abortions are done for convenience).

I can love someone and also not support their choice to ruin their life.

Many women who have had abortions also end up regretting it. I'm pro-life because I care about the baby being murdered, but also because I think the act often victimizes the woman.

There are also countless stories of women who wanted abortions, or considered it, but were talked out of it, and then once they are mothers they can't believe they had ever even considered it. So there are no doubt a lot of women who have had abortions who *would* have ended up with the same nurturing attitude had they simply not killed the baby.

The left doesn't care about any of that of course; modern feminism teaches women that to be empowered they need to act like pigs the way men often do, rather than encouraging both men and women to just not be pigs.

[Botten]

Hard to force anything on a baby who is killed before being born. I care more about the innocent unborn than I do some lazy slob who got pregnant and doesn’t want to take responsibility(90% of abortions are done for convenience).

I can love someone and also not support their choice to ruin their life.

Ignorant zealot. You would rather roll the dice to see if a raped young girl can birth a child than abort the fetus.

Treatment for a septic uterus is an abortion

Treatment for an ectopic pregnancy is an abortion

Treatment for a miscarriage that your body won’t release is an abortion.

Stupid Bible thumpers have no place in policing others bodies to their standards of belief.

[Elizondo]

Many women who have had abortions also end up regretting it. I'm pro-life because I care about the baby being murdered, but also because I think the act often victimizes the woman.

There are also countless stories of women who wanted abortions, or considered it, but were talked out of it, and then once they are mothers they can't believe they had ever even considered it. So there are no doubt a lot of women who have had abortions who *would* have ended up with the same nurturing attitude had they simply not killed the baby.

The left doesn't care about any of that of course; modern feminism teaches women that to be empowered they need to act like pigs the way men often do, rather than encouraging both men and women to just not be pigs.

Abortions are big business

Dems sell them like appliances and then sell the body parts to China

[Ooloo]

Ignorant zealot. You would rather roll the dice to see if a raped young girl can birth a child than abort the fetus.

Treatment for a septic uterus is an abortion

Treatment for an ectopic pregnancy is an abortion

Treatment for a miscarriage that your body won’t release is an abortion.

Stupid Bible thumpers have no place in policing others bodies to their standards of belief.

Haha, this is absolutely NOT true. None of those things are considered an abortion, and there is zero legislation in any state preventing medical treatment of those conditions. This is just another absolutely terrible red herring argument to distract from the fact that 99% of the time an abortion is just a perfectly healthy baby being chopped into pieces and thrown in the garbage. I know it's very unpleasant to think about that fact; why do you think that is?

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Ignorant zealot. You would rather roll the dice to see if a raped young girl can birth a child than abort the fetus.

Treatment for a septic uterus is an abortion

Treatment for an ectopic pregnancy is an abortion

Treatment for a miscarriage that your body won’t release is an abortion.

Stupid Bible thumpers have no place in policing others bodies to their standards of belief.

Doersn't change the fact that closer to 98% (not 90%) of all abortions, are done out of convenience/on demand.

Florida is one of the states which records reasons for all abortions, and this is from 2018 - I did the math for you since I'm not sure you are capable.

And yes, "social/economic" and "emotional/psychological" reasons are still CONVENIENCE/on-demand. Everyone has both to deal with, and neither are valid reasons for murdering a baby in the womb.

I should have included "physical health of the mother that is not life endangering", but I'll grant you that.

98% of the time, here are/were your choices to prevent pregnancy / avoid caring for a child:

1) Abstinence
2) Contraception
3) Motherhood
4) Adoption

[Horza]

Doersn't change the fact that closer to 98% (not 90%) of all abortions, are done out of convenience/on demand.

Florida is one of the states which records reasons for all abortions, and this is from 2018 - I did the math for you since I'm not sure you are capable.

And yes, "social/economic" and "emotional/psychological" reasons are still CONVENIENCE/on-demand. Everyone has both to deal with, and neither are valid reasons for murdering a baby in the womb.

I should have included "physical health of the mother that is not life endangering", but I'll grant you that.

98% of the time, here are/were your choices to prevent pregnancy / avoid caring for a child:

1) Abstinence
2) Contraception
3) Motherhood
4) Adoption

Sucks to be a ten year old rape victim stuck in a shithole red state where all you dumbasses think it isn't morally indefensible to force one child to carry another one to term because muh bible.

[Botten]

Haha, this is absolutely NOT true. None of those things are considered an abortion, and there is zero legislation in any state preventing medical treatment of those conditions. This is just another absolutely terrible red herring argument to distract from the fact that 99% of the time an abortion is just a perfectly healthy baby being chopped into pieces and thrown in the garbage. I know it's very unpleasant to think about that fact; why do you think that is?

And here in lies why idiot right voters who listen to Ben Shapiro actually don’t use facts.

An abortion is made up to be your definition. You call it some medical procedure when your own party still argues it shouldn’t be preform. Morons.

Abortion to you doesn’t mean an induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus.

Any of various procedures that result in the termination of a pregnancy.

[Elizondo]

Horza wants 10 year olds to be raped and impregnated by illegal aliens so badly

[Ooloo]

And here in lies why idiot right voters who listen to Ben Shapiro actually don’t use facts.

An abortion is made up to be your definition. You call it some medical procedure when your own party still argues it shouldn’t be preform. Morons.

Abortion to you doesn’t mean an induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus.

Any of various procedures that result in the termination of a pregnancy.

All of the conditions you listed are potentially fatal to the life of the mother and involve a fetus that is either already dead or one that cannot possibly survive naturally. They by definition are not abortions, and I'm not aware of any legislation even in the reddest of states that would prevent treating those conditions. If there is, then I oppose those specific pieces of legislation obviously. See how you can have a nuanced position and not just rabidly adhere to one side or the other? You have absolutely no point, I'm sorry, and it's still just a red herring. I'm an atheist so this is not religiously based in any way.

Thanks for the middleschool level insults though, really helps your position that killing perfectly healthy babies and throwing their dismembered bodies in the garbage is cool and good.

[robayon]

middleschool level insults... throwing their dismembered bodies in the garbage is cool and good.

I am officially calling this Oolooation. Oolooation is where you do the very thing you're criticizing in the post where you criticize the thing. Required intelligence score of 3, required wisdom score of 0

[Horza]

And here in lies why idiot right voters who listen to Ben Shapiro actually don’t use facts.

An abortion is made up to be your definition. You call it some medical procedure when your own party still argues it shouldn’t be preform. Morons.

Abortion to you doesn’t mean an induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus.

Any of various procedures that result in the termination of a pregnancy.

The latest Republican talking point is that if a ten year old and her parents decide not to have a baby that was the result of rape, then it's not an abortion because of reasons. You didn't watch the hearing yesterday?

[robayon]

Many women who have had abortions also end up regretting it. I'm pro-life because I care about the baby being murdered, but also because I think the act often victimizes the woman.

There are also countless stories of women who wanted abortions, or considered it, but were talked out of it, and then once they are mothers they can't believe they had ever even considered it. So there are no doubt a lot of women who have had abortions who *would* have ended up with the same nurturing attitude had they simply not killed the baby.

The left doesn't care about any of that of course; modern feminism teaches women that to be empowered they need to act like pigs the way men often do, rather than encouraging both men and women to just not be pigs.you're not pro-life you're anti-liberty and mad that women see through this bullshit

[Rainik Stormseeker]

Sucks to be a ten year old rape victim stuck in a shithole red state where all you dumbasses think it isn't morally indefensible to force one child to carry another one to term because muh bible.

Except that I showed you she could have had that abortion in her "shithole red state" (Nice to see you've conceded Ohio), confirmed by the AG of said state, but you keep showing us you're just an ignorant moron.

Oh and that ~98% of all abortions are on demand/out of convenience, but you'll take 1,000 10-year olds being raped by illegal aliens the guy YOU voted for let in, just to break the proverbial window so we can legalize infanticide.