P99 is a Meritocracy, not a Democracy

[SantagarBrax]

Since when did Jutebox and a handful of other "select" players get to decide what happens to everyone on p99 Blue? What's up with Menden and Galach kowtowing to the mob?

We've had the draft for almost two years now and what has that accomplished? Kittens has been in ToV, outside of a quake, a handful of times at most and only in the past 6-8 weeks? They also have enough ST keys to compete there, yet never do.

TSS - even less than kittens.

All other draft guilds - eashen guards and hot, that's it. I may have seen one attempt at an LTK since the drafts' inception, which Vanquish and Riot chose not to pursue as a target as an incentive.

"we want to learn tactics" - There's over 20 years of information online on each and every encounter, look it up. None of it has changed at all when there is zero competition. Competition is what breeds innovative ways to succeed.

"It's wildly popular" - are you a 12 year old girl at a Justin Bieber concert? Of course "FREE SHIT" is "wildly popular"! Who would have thought!?

The bottom line is that all of you don't want to compete, which is where the fun and magic is, and you just want free shit. You're playing the wrong game / server.

[loramin]

https://i.imgur.com/nuh98SC.gif

[Ripqozko]

Where is your warder loot? don't you like to compete. sorry you dont got. hope that helps.

[SantagarBrax]

Mevath - " Its also not true that you are die hard for a classic raiding experience or you wouldn’t constantly be asking for Earthquakes to happen."

I, and many others agree, that too many earthquakes is detrimental to the health and longevity of the server as well as the players involved. It dilutes the value of the game entirely and only hastens its doom. When nothing is difficult to acquire, it doesn't hold the same appreciation. In effect, it cheapens these items and the experiences involved obtaining said items. I still remember my 1st ever raid loot from 2015: Wand of the Black Dragon eye and I still have it in my bag at this very moment.

In addition, Earthquakes are a high stress activity and environment. It's critical to have the in-between quake breaks to allow players to decompress, get off their high horses, and come back down to Norrath to truly appreciate everything the game has to offer, not just one aspect.

[Croco]

p99 is a dystopian shithole, if you think competition is classic you're playing the wrong game

[SantagarBrax]

Where is your warder loot? don't you like to compete. sorry you dont got. hope that helps.

Case in point ^

Cheap, competition-less loot. Value = 0.

[SantagarBrax]

p99 is a dystopian shithole, if you think competition is classic you're playing the wrong game

The entire design of the game is competition based. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Brad, Steve, and Bill..along with all of the other dev's from said era.

[SantagarBrax]

And while we're at the discussion, why are all these guilds who don't compete chiming in with how the raid scene should operate? "KWSM, AEGIS, ECLIPSE, THE SECOND SONS, LIGHTHOUSE"

None of you have any skin in the game because you don't put in the time and effort. Until you do, none of you should have a voice in what the raid rules should be.

[SantagarBrax]

Jutebox <KWSM> — 08/01/2022

"I want you to imagine the end of a chapter. The end of this chapter is marked by a fresh agreement by every guild on the server except one. Unless CSR wants to rule otherwise, or speak up on this matter, as we have begged them to do, then I'd like to welcome you and the rest of Vanquish to the new chapter of the p99 book. In this chapter you don't get to dictate the rules to the rest of us."

Who the fuck does this guy think he is? Imagine the arrogance and pomposity one has to hold in order to dictate to the rest of the server his vision of P99 and your thoughts and opinions be damned.

P99 isn't a Democracy nor is it an Oligarchy

[SantagarBrax]

It's certainly not a Dictatorship ruled by Mr. Jutebox and the "select" few in the UN

[Tethler]

Lol, this guy is so mad. 5x posts in a row

[Ripqozko]

Yikes at 5 posts, VQ down bad

[SantagarBrax]

Only in a Dictatorship does one's thoughts, opinions, and voice = bad.

What's wrong with being mad about a situation where the entire server/game is being railroaded into decisions that will fundamentally alter the nature, experience, and magic of the game for current and all future players?

The entire premise for the Draft "week" was to bring some experiences to those guilds who don't compete in an effort to see new content and motivate them to compete. None of them actually want to compete nor have any incentive to do so, all they have to do is wait around until x4, x6, x10, x52 Draft to come along. Essentially, this is a narrative of "unlimited samples" where you have had your taste of the product and enough time to determine if you want to purchase the product or not.

Shit or get off the pot, don't ask for more "samples". You're not owed anything, get up and go get it.

Historically, the natural evolution of Guilds on this server has been to rise and fall according to meritocracy. Once a guild falls, one guild remains at the top getting fat and lazy until a challenger arrives that is hungry and motivated for success. Those two guilds duke it out and let the best guild remain standing.. Rinse and repeat the cycle. This no longer holds true due to bag limits, lockouts, and Draft "weeks/months/years"

It's clear now that all of these implementations were false flag operations and I, for one, will not remain silent. Appeasement never works. History has proven this true time and time again.

[Reiwa]

I think they just don't want to play with you, OP.

Stay salty. 🧂

[magnetaress]

p99 is a soup kitchen lol

[Thermite]

Put the red rocket away OP yikes so much mad over pixels

[Ennewi]

none of you should have a voice in what the raid rules should be.

Only in a Dictatorship does one's thoughts, opinions, and voice = bad.

The bottom line is that all of you don't want to compete, which is where the fun and magic is, and you just want free shit. You're playing the wrong game / server.

Who the fuck does this guy think he is? Imagine the arrogance and pomposity one has to hold in order to dictate to the rest of the server his vision of P99

[akaa112]

Touch Grass.

[Marathon]

haha what a pompous ass. tHe SaCReD cOMpEtITion. Delicious tears of hypocrite crybabies who claim to cherish the sanctity of competition; holding it up as the baby jesus of everquest, and yet at every conceivable turn take a massive shit on any actual legit competition by cheating, autofiring, scripting, training, abusing, lying and scumfucking their way through possible encounter. We're here because you short-term obsessed tiny brained dipshits brought us here. If you were smarter you would've fostered a healthier raid environment, and made every effort to ensure the rules were followed and things happened fairly. You know, to actually preserve the thing you claim to cherish so much.

[Arvan]

Since when did Jutebox and a handful of other "select" players get to decide what happens to everyone on p99 Blue? What's up with Menden and Galach kowtowing to the mob?

We've had the draft for almost two years now and what has that accomplished? Kittens has been in ToV, outside of a quake, a handful of times at most and only in the past 6-8 weeks? They also have enough ST keys to compete there, yet never do.

TSS - even less than kittens.

All other draft guilds - eashen guards and hot, that's it. I may have seen one attempt at an LTK since the drafts' inception, which Vanquish and Riot chose not to pursue as a target as an incentive.

"we want to learn tactics" - There's over 20 years of information online on each and every encounter, look it up. None of it has changed at all when there is zero competition. Competition is what breeds innovative ways to succeed.

"It's wildly popular" - are you a 12 year old girl at a Justin Bieber concert? Of course "FREE SHIT" is "wildly popular"! Who would have thought!?

The bottom line is that all of you don't want to compete, which is where the fun and magic is, and you just want free shit. You're playing the wrong game / server.

6/7 agree!

Sorry to break it to you, but you are the loud/obnoxious minority on blue.

[mycoolrausch]

Classic everquest didn't have 500 level 60s standing on top of each other on the same server. This server has to make concessions for that. It's funny that you think one guild with 20 sweaties nabbing every spawn and assigning themselves most of the dkp for doing so would be healthy for the server lol

[Jimjam]

Perhaps the merit is cooperation and negotiation skills, not becoming the dragon jealously hiding in dungeons and hoarding treasure?

[Pootle]

The bottom line is that all of you don't want to compete, which is where the fun and magic is, and you just want free shit. You're playing the wrong game / server.

Seems to me like many people like the draft, and just VQ do not. You seem to think that be all and end all of gaming in EQ is killing a target so that other people can't.

Ever considered that VQ are "playing the wrong game / server."

Maybe you shoud permanently transfer to your 'test racing' server that you are so proud of and split yourselves into two guilds and 'compete' there.

[xdrcfrx]

Imagine melting down and throwing a tantrum over having to share pixels.

[Raj]

Everyone, just back away very slowly and give OP plenty of space....

We dont know if he is armed and if the Elf Police have to be called on him we dont know if he would raise up arms against them and force their hand to cut him down w their blades in self-defense...

[pijan]

That's it. I can't take it. I've had enough. This is the last straw. The final stroke. I've been pushed beyond the limit of any man. I'm officially boycotting this shitty game and this god damn server. You'll never see me again. So long. Goodbye. See you never, losers.


unreleated but will it quake today? I can't log in for like another 30 minutes.

[druidbob]

Ever consider that if you guys didn't act like such petulant children, the GMs wouldn't be so quick to give your toys to the rest of the server?

[Grapeape]

Try new diet p99 blue. now with 10% less competition

[ScruffMacBuff]

The entire premise for the Draft "week" was to bring some experiences to those guilds who don't compete in an effort to see new content and motivate them to compete.

Maybe start with a more accurate understanding of the intention of the draft.

You claim the game was built to be competitive as though you can understand the "intention" of the designers over 20 years ago, but you can't even understand the intention of something that was born 2 years ago where the discussions are available for you to read.

[Wrei]

It's hilarious to see him crying about no competition when he doesn't address the most obvious reason as to why it's the case. Competition in his mind is all about who gets the FTE and a guild able to tank and spank the boss. P99 competition however is having 4+ targets in a + or - 24h window on a typical raid week, having 20 alts parked on target 1, teams of trackers taking shifts to hit that batphone like working at a McDonald's, sweaty neckbeards at the race line waiting to be the big hero. All the resources online on top of cheating 3rd party software like GINA isn't the reason why casuals can't compete. It's because of the big time variance.

If GM's abolished super draft, but instead reduced the 7 day cycle to a 6 hour window and the 3 days to a 2 hour window, a lot of the mid tier guilds going nowhere atm would bother to show up and try to do these bosses. Sure they would most likely fail early on in getting the FTE or even executing the fight but given enough time there actually would be real competition on the mobs and not about who can take a shit the longest while waiting 15+hours for a pop. I mean some of these clowns are sweaty enough to even sock a quake... then they wonder why the majority can't or won't join their sockfest.

[Chortles Snortles]

20years of velious emulator
(LOL)

[hobart]

The bottom line is that all of you don't want to compete, which is where the fun and magic is, and you just want free shit. You're playing the wrong game / server.

Faulty premise undermining the entire argument. Not being guilded with Detoxx and the other socially retarded pixel addicts he attracts is where the magic is.

The bottom line is, if pixels > elfpals. You're playing the wrong game / server.

[Bagavan]

Unnerf clickies and unroot dragons, only then should Vanq agree to 6 drafts.

[SantagarBrax]

Maybe start with a more accurate understanding of the intention of the draft.

You claim the game was built to be competitive as though you can understand the "intention" of the designers over 20 years ago, but you can't even understand the intention of something that was born 2 years ago where the discussions are available for you to read.

Everything about Everquest classic is competitive in nature, from level 1 and onward. From which mobs to kill, to which named camps to farm, which quests to do, and all the way up to which dragons to kill. There is a finite amount of resources and not everyone gets to have every single resource... Not even Vanquish. It's self evident if you play the game at all and indisputable.

I don't condone cheating or any of that nonsense. I like a good clean competition and may the better guild at that particular time and day earn their achievements with the players they have available, the loot is secondary, the emotions during the contest between guilds and of the victory are far sweeter. None of you have any idea what I'm talking about because none of you put in any effort to experience it. The amount of moving parts involved in any given engagement is vast and every single one of those parts has to be on point, making zero mistakes to be successful. The competition is that serious and I have news for you, it's not just Vanquish.

Did you guys see or hear about Riot's last Trak kill? IMPRESSIVE! New tactics will evolve from what occurred.

Fuck Stunningly too, along with anyone else that doesn't play the raid scene for the pure spirit of the competition. I don't know if he did or didn't cheat but the circumstantial evidence is rather damning and he still hasn't bothered to reply directly to my inquiry.

As far as "trains", that's called human error and that's where the fun is, learning from your mistakes and becoming a better player from them. Understanding all the minute details and idiosyncrasies involved in challenging the next guilds' new tactics. This is why Blue leads the way and always will, we're still innovating new tactics and strategies to overcome what the competition has come up with. It's exciting and seemingly unending!

This is all fluff and misdirection based upon your own misguided thoughts about how the "raid scene" operates because none of you actually experience the high's and low's of the competition. Ask Riot how they felt from last summer through this spring getting steam rolled in every conceivable way, then coming back strong for the summer and steam rolling us in a lot of ways. When a group of players is so demoralized, getting beat target after target that they log out in disgust because nothing is going right that particular day..they regroup, temper themselves, collaborate, innovate, re-train, then execute. It's a wonderful human experience.

You are all advocating and dictating the evisceration from current and future players, to amputate that magical human experience because of your own selfish, lazy, "give me free shit" mentalities and it's disgusting. All you have to do is try and you will find success.

Welfare for sure, but more but importantly self-serving while claiming "it's for the community!". If there is no cause to compete and innovate, this project fades away into ignorance and oblivion. Anything that "could have been" is lost, forever.

[SantagarBrax]

BTW, i don't speak for Vanquish, only for myself based upon my experiences over the years.

Some may agree or disagree and that is fine. The difference is I'm not dictating to everyone else how the game will play.

[ScruffMacBuff]

You're jumping to conclusions about what you think might happen if competition dies. You don't know, and pretending to only makes you made like this.

I understand a lot of people like competition on this server. That's cool. But again, to claim the game is built up for competition is silly. Its much easier to argue its built for COOPERATION.

[Ripqozko]

VQ down bad after losing a few cycles

[Ennewi]

The entire design of the game is competition based. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Brad, Steve, and Bill..along with all of the other dev's from said era.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010302105555/http://lum.xrgaming.net/aradune.html

(4/11/00)

<Lum> Do you think the new zones are less "campable" then the zones we've seen so far in EQ? (and is "campable" a word?)

<Aradune> More so yes, but we certainly haven't 'fixed' camping per se, and I'm not sure we ever will totally with the current incarnation of EQ. We are using more 'randomized' loot and many dungeons require players to commit to them more so than older dungeons. Also, we're hoping there will simply be less crowding and therefore less competition for camp sites. So, overall, I think things will be a lot better, but people will still camp something they really want

...


<Lum> We've heard a lot from you guys about something called "The Vision(tm)". Can you go into some detail about this vision thing? Is the Vision really trademarked?

<Aradune> Heh, no, I think a player started adding TM whenever he used the term and it caught on. I thought it was pretty funny so I started using it myself. The Vision(TM) is really, in a nutshell, what we (the EQ teams) always have wanted EQ to be... When we sat down and designed EQ years ago we all had a vision in mind, and it really came together. Basically, we wanted to bring MUDs to the masses, attach graphics to them, and also to recreate that feeling of playing D&D or some such with your friends around the table, but online and in a 3D world.

...

<Lum> I'm trying to avoid specific "class issues" here but there's one thing I just have to ask, if only because it seeming contrasts with "The Vision(tm)" EQ has done an overall good job of controlling grief players, and has tried to continue refining that with such things as showing what players are looting, the "Play Nice" policy of camp policing, etc. Given that, why do rogues have a pick pocket skill that basically steals money from fellow group members?

<Aradune> Part of the challenge we wanted Rogues to encounter is the trust issue. Rogues, traditionally, are not very nice fellows and don't get along with others, except perhaps other Rogues. EQ, though, is a social game, based on interdependence in many ways. So Rogues by design have more of a challenge grouping as well as with other aspects of the game (faction issues, and such). I guess to me, that question would be akin to asking 'why do so many NPCs hate Trolls?'

...

<Lum> If you could go back a few years and redesign Everquest from scratch, what changes would you make?

<Aradune> I'd try to positively address some of the following problems: camping, players outleveling their friends, kill stealing, attributes not mattering enough, bottom feeding, assaulting encounters with too many people, trains, downtime, etc. But I won't say how :)

[enjchanter]

can confirm OP is W-key holding enthusiast

[cd288]

Since when did Jutebox and a handful of other "select" players get to decide what happens to everyone on p99 Blue? What's up with Menden and Galach kowtowing to the mob?

We've had the draft for almost two years now and what has that accomplished? Kittens has been in ToV, outside of a quake, a handful of times at most and only in the past 6-8 weeks? They also have enough ST keys to compete there, yet never do.

TSS - even less than kittens.

All other draft guilds - eashen guards and hot, that's it. I may have seen one attempt at an LTK since the drafts' inception, which Vanquish and Riot chose not to pursue as a target as an incentive.

"we want to learn tactics" - There's over 20 years of information online on each and every encounter, look it up. None of it has changed at all when there is zero competition. Competition is what breeds innovative ways to succeed.

"It's wildly popular" - are you a 12 year old girl at a Justin Bieber concert? Of course "FREE SHIT" is "wildly popular"! Who would have thought!?

The bottom line is that all of you don't want to compete, which is where the fun and magic is, and you just want free shit. You're playing the wrong game / server.

Lmao do you literally have so little of a life outside of P99 that you’re getting bent out of shape over this?

“Omg sometimes a guild doesn’t try to compete on certain content because they aren’t the guild filled with no life neckbeards who have nothing better to do than do the same raid for the 1 millionth time on an emulated server for a 23 year old video game!!!!!!!! How dare they!!!!!! They are terrible and we are the best!!!!!”

[cd288]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010302105555/http://lum.xrgaming.net/aradune.html

Lol my dude you just absolutely destroyed OP

[Arvan]

BTW, i don't speak for Vanquish, only for myself based upon my experiences over the years.

Some may agree or disagree and that is fine. The difference is I'm not dictating to everyone else how the game will play.

6/7 other guilds agree. You are 1 guild disagreeing trying to dictate how 6 other guilds play the game. I find this irony and this thread hilarious. Thank you for the laughter.

[Allishia]

Did they add more draft weeks or something? I must have missed something :p

I like the idea of shortening windows, should ditch draft all together and just make mob windows like 6 hours or something/nod

[Ennewi]

The entire design of the game is competition based. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Brad, Steve, and Bill..along with all of the other dev's from said era.

https://web.archive.org/web/20000623192409/http://eq.notcrazy.com/articles/Brad_Arr_Interview_11-4-99_Day2_Page1.shtml

Brad McQuaid Interview - Day 2, Page 1 (11-9-99)

Arr: EQ is by far the most popular Massively Multi-player On-line RPG, what do you think has been one of the biggest keys to it's success?

Brad: Hmm... I think it's a combination of... well with EverQuest, there is a short term and a long term focus, and I think we, in terms of bringing a player in and getting him or her really into the game and addicted and committed to playing the game do pretty well at that. There is that first hook of bringing them in and attracting them and the second part is keeping them playing. And I think we pulled that off. We achieved both of those really well. The first thing is bringing them in is the graphics. I think it’s a very immersive world and I think we really pulled off the 3d environment pretty well. A lot of people said it couldn't be done, you couldn't have a massively multi-player 3d game. And with the multiple camera views and the fantastic artists we have on the team and the world builders and the real stark contrast between the different areas of the world, I really think it makes people want to explore. They really feel like they're there. I think that sucks people in and gets them really interested. And then what keeps them playing is the cooperative nature of the game. Where as some of our competition in the past focused more on player versus player and really felt that, well, I've heard statements like to have a community you need to have that kind of conflict, which I don't agree with. Instead we focused on cooperation and people meeting friends on-line and going out in parties together and working together -- those friendships and that cooperation keeps them playing. And then there’s all the stuff that keeps people playing any RPG: character development, acquiring items, and treasure, and stuff like that. I think all of these points together is what brings people in and keeps them playing.

[Fammaden]

I mean this guy is citing his P99 pixels from 2015 as being evidence of his opinions on EQ, his whole concept revolves around this emu not the original game it pays tribute to, doubtful he ever raided in 99-01.

[druidbob]

I'm loving all the dev quotes just completely shutting down the argument

[Zieram]

If this were a meritocracy, then a substantial portion of the self-proclaimed p99 aristocracy would be BANNED.

Time and again these sociopaths have EARNED a ban, but for some reason (probably monetary) they continue to exist here.

6/7 do not need someone else to lose to be able to have a good time on this game, hence our push for the draft. The 1/7 should probably talk to a therapist...

[Allishia]

Riot has been picking up the pace and winning more, see how long till it's 5/7 lmao :p

[loramin]

[QUOTE=Zieram;3489160]If this were a meritocracy, then a substantial portion of the self-proclaimed p99 aristocracy would be BANNED.

Time and again these sociopaths have EARNED a ban, but for some reason (probably monetary) they continue to exist here./QUOTE]

[loramin]

If this were a meritocracy, then a substantial portion of the self-proclaimed p99 aristocracy would be BANNED.

Time and again these sociopaths have EARNED a ban, but for some reason (probably monetary) they continue to exist here.

I've never understood the revolving door punishments here. If I was running a 100% free game for others, people would be banned for life the very first time they clearly/knowingly broke any of the rules.

It's like the staff wants to make more work for themselves ...

[Zieram]

I've never understood the revolving door punishments here. If I was running a 100% free game for others, people would be banned for life the very first time they clearly/knowingly broke any of the rules.

It's like the staff wants to make more work for themselves ...

It's simple; the shitheads pay to win. Then they script to win the mariokart meta... and they have the nerve to brag about how good they are :D

[San'Drax]

I see the koolaid is starting to work on Allishya

[Ripqozko]

I see the koolaid is starting to work on Allishya

No one expects it cause she just nods

[Arvan]

https://web.archive.org/web/20000623192409/http://eq.notcrazy.com/articles/Brad_Arr_Interview_11-4-99_Day2_Page1.shtml

Wow this totally smashes OP's argument. Love it.

[slard271]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010302105555/http://lum.xrgaming.net/aradune.html

It's convenient that you stopped the boldface of "less competition" right before "for camp sites." Gimme a break, are raid mobs "camp sites?"

[Tethler]

It's convenient that you stopped the boldface of "less competition" right before "for camp sites." Gimme a break, are raid mobs "camp sites?"

Haven't you camped out at a zoneline with 70 of your closest friends while waiting for hours upon hours for the boss monster to make its appearance before?

[Ennewi]

It's convenient that you stopped the boldface of "less competition" right before "for camp sites." Gimme a break, are raid mobs "camp sites?"

The bold text merely emphasizes the most relevant info, no different from a bug forum post. As Tethler pointed out, raiders do set up camp while waiting for raid targets. Once those targets have spawned, they need to move in and establish a presence elsewhere to begin clearing their way towards those targets. Of the guilds I've been in, all officers have referred to that designated location as camp. River during ring war? That's camp. West wall in plane of fear? Camp. "What's camp looking like?" A puller will often ask in discord, always referring to where the rest of raid is currently killing the most recent pulls. Raid mobs aren't camp sites, no, but then fungi king isn't engaged and killed right on his spawnpoint either. Yet most everyone knows where groups set up camp in order to pull that named.

Another quote from McQuaid:

https://web.archive.org/web/20081201142351/http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums//archive/index.php/t-21705.html

Of course, we all (hopefully) agree that too much competition is bad. Overcrowding is bad.

...

Now we may debate when crowding becomes overcrowding, where that line is crossed, and we do, and everyone has different tastes. But despite arguing over where the line is, I think it’s safe to say that almost everyone agrees that in principle too much competition is not a good thing. If you don’t, well, stop reading this and do something else.

He elaborates on quite a bit, some of which could be used to prop up opposing views/playstyles but only so much. A brief summary of his perspective can be found in another interview about Vanguard...

http://gamestudies.org/0901/articles/interview_mcquaid_mcpherson

BMQ: With Vanguard, however, we are making a significant effort to introduce mechanics and content that better entertain people with varying time commitments. There will be areas more geared towards the casual gamer, the traditional ‘group with your friends’ player, as well as the ‘hard core’ player who enjoys ‘raiding’ and playing for many hours at a time. We also want those different types of players to co-exist in an environment where they can interact better, and definitely don’t think these different play-styles are mutually exclusive in any way.

And piggybacking off an argument in Discord earlier...

hulkanowski — Today at 3:10 PM
competitiveness for simple dungeon mobs is different than competition for raid mobs. Hope this helps

To the point made by McQuaid, many of the traditional high level PUG zones did contain at least one raid target. Kedge Keep. Nagafen's Lair. Chardok. Burning Wood. Karnor's Castle. Lake of Ill Omen. The Hole. And most of the old world raid targets have been reduced to group/solo content thanks to years of Velious gearing.

Also, what was considered raid content back then isn't given a second thought today. Classic screenshots and captions depict Sir Lucan as being a raid target, but on p99 he's soloed regularly without issue by certain classes. A simple mob, not even requiring a dungeon crawl. But when soulfires were all/all on p99, there was some fierce competition over that non-raid target.

hulkanowski — Today at 3:21 PM
they wanted to reduce mob competition in dungeon CAMPS

hulkanowski — Today at 3:21 PM
they didnt discuss raid mobs in that interview

Yet their actions indicated that the same want also applied to raids, with Brad and company releasing Scars of Velious, the expansion that offered more raid-related content than before, to spread out that portion of the playerbase across massive zones on a separate continent, thereby reducing competition. The original devs also widened some of the least casual-friendly epic bottlenecks.

[Bigdaddy47]

haha what a pompous ass. tHe SaCReD cOMpEtITion. Delicious tears of hypocrite crybabies who claim to cherish the sanctity of competition; holding it up as the baby jesus of everquest, and yet at every conceivable turn take a massive shit on any actual legit competition by cheating, autofiring, scripting, training, abusing, lying and scumfucking their way through possible encounter. We're here because you short-term obsessed tiny brained dipshits brought us here. If you were smarter you would've fostered a healthier raid environment, and made every effort to ensure the rules were followed and things happened fairly. You know, to actually preserve the thing you claim to cherish so much.

im in favor of competition generally but this post is pretty spot on lmao.

[Wharfrat]

Classic everquest didn't have 500 level 60s standing on top of each other on the same server. This server has to make concessions for that. It's funny that you think one guild with 20 sweaties nabbing every spawn and assigning themselves most of the dkp for doinClassic everquest didn't have 500 level 60s standing on top of each other on the same server. This server has to make concessions for that. It's funny that you think one guild with 20 sweaties nabbing every spawn and assigning themselves most of the dkp for doing so would be healthy for the server lolg so would be healthy for the server lolClassic everquest didn't have 500 level 60s standing on top of each other on the same server. This server has to make concessions for that. It's funny that you think one guild with 20 sweaties nabbing every spawn and assigning themselves most of the dkp for doing so would be healthy for the server lolClassic everquest didn't have 500 level 60s standing on top of each other on the same server. This server has to make concessions for that. It's funny that you think one guild with 20 sweaties nabbing every spawn and assigning themselves most of the dkp for doing so would be healthy for the server lol

[Ravager]

It's hilarious to see him crying about no competition when he doesn't address the most obvious reason as to why it's the case. Competition in his mind is all about who gets the FTE and a guild able to tank and spank the boss. P99 competition however is having 4+ targets in a + or - 24h window on a typical raid week, having 20 alts parked on target 1, teams of trackers taking shifts to hit that batphone like working at a McDonald's, sweaty neckbeards at the race line waiting to be the big hero. All the resources online on top of cheating 3rd party software like GINA isn't the reason why casuals can't compete. It's because of the big time variance.

If GM's abolished super draft, but instead reduced the 7 day cycle to a 6 hour window and the 3 days to a 2 hour window, a lot of the mid tier guilds going nowhere atm would bother to show up and try to do these bosses. Sure they would most likely fail early on in getting the FTE or even executing the fight but given enough time there actually would be real competition on the mobs and not about who can take a shit the longest while waiting 15+hours for a pop. I mean some of these clowns are sweaty enough to even sock a quake... then they wonder why the majority can't or won't join their sockfest.

That would be an even bigger shitshow with 500 people desyncing the zone and training and petitioning each other every spawn.

It would, however, make RnF more fun.

[Wrei]

That would be an even bigger shitshow with 500 people desyncing the zone and training and petitioning each other every spawn.

It would, however, make RnF more fun.

I disagree. The early weeks would be chaotic with people/guilds not understanding how to plan things properly. Kael and ToV could be a shitshow if 2 or 3 of the big guilds show up to contest a dragon, but I'd argue it already is one at times. Also blue at best has around 500 players online on average, your estimate is wrong here.

If 7 day bosses were reduced to a + or - 3 hour variance instead of 24, then every mid tier guild would start recruiting aggressively, set themselves a target that wouldn't be a priority and then plan things once they know the timer after a quake.

Big guilds will still prioritize KT/Doze/Statue but due to no double FTE rules, it would open a window for smaller guilds to get at least an attempt or two on the lesser targets and work from there. By the time the bigger guilds are done fighting over the top prized targets, almost all of the mid/lesser targets will have been cleaned out by 5+ guilds eventually, sort of emulating raiding tier content without actually enforcing it.

Guilds that still contest everything and "compete" will be shown to actually want competition. The twats that cry on discord or R&F about how "everyone is out to get them" will show their true colors when they avoid going head to head and try to snipe a lesser target from a smaller guild.

Just sick and tired of some of these clowns yapping about competition when it's not about racing or executing a fight but rather who can stand at a spot while furiously fapping for hours about the pixels they might get.

This game has been played over 23 years now. The tech has changed. There's YT, Wikis, discord, 3rd party apps, guidance from veterans that have done this shit thousands of times. At least the sweaty nerds on WoW can rub their nipples when they get a world server first kill on a brand new expansion to a boss nobody has seen. Just what the fuck did you accomplish here? I swear some of these kids feel so proud sitting down 18 hours on their shit bucket while drinking beer which conveniently can be used as an urinal. Or a guild leader that berates you for not socking hard enough...I get it, everyone has their own motivation playing this game. But please, don't act like you set some fucking Guiness record on something, there's no gold medal in the Olympics for being unemployed and friendless. Hope this helps the OP of this thread.

[Ravager]

I disagree. The early weeks would be chaotic with people/guilds not understanding how to plan things properly. Kael and ToV could be a shitshow if 2 or 3 of the big guilds show up to contest a dragon, but I'd argue it already is one at times. Also blue at best has around 500 players online on average, your estimate is wrong here.

If 7 day bosses were reduced to a + or - 3 hour variance instead of 24, then every mid tier guild would start recruiting aggressively, set themselves a target that wouldn't be a priority and then plan things once they know the timer after a quake.

Big guilds will still prioritize KT/Doze/Statue but due to no double FTE rules, it would open a window for smaller guilds to get at least an attempt or two on the lesser targets and work from there. By the time the bigger guilds are done fighting over the top prized targets, almost all of the mid/lesser targets will have been cleaned out by 5+ guilds eventually, sort of emulating raiding tier content without actually enforcing it.

Guilds that still contest everything and "compete" will be shown to actually want competition. The twats that cry on discord or R&F about how "everyone is out to get them" will show their true colors when they avoid going head to head and try to snipe a lesser target from a smaller guild.

Just sick and tired of some of these clowns yapping about competition when it's not about racing or executing a fight but rather who can stand at a spot while furiously fapping for hours about the pixels they might get.

This game has been played over 23 years now. The tech has changed. There's YT, Wikis, discord, 3rd party apps, guidance from veterans that have done this shit thousands of times. At least the sweaty nerds on WoW can rub their nipples when they get a world server first kill on a brand new expansion to a boss nobody has seen. Just what the fuck did you accomplish here? I swear some of these kids feel so proud sitting down 18 hours on their shit bucket while drinking beer which conveniently can be used as an urinal. Or a guild leader that berates you for not socking hard enough...I get it, everyone has their own motivation playing this game. But please, don't act like you set some fucking Guiness record on something, there's no gold medal in the Olympics for being unemployed and friendless. Hope this helps the OP of this thread.

8 guilds showing up at once... The zone would desync, because historically that's happened. Population wouldn't be 500 in a 6 hour window. The casuals would have a poopsock party, because historically that has happened, even back in the days when the average population peak was 400 on a Friday night. Make things accessible and people will show up to access it.

I agree with most of what you say though.

[zati]

Since when did Jutebox and a handful of other "select" players get to decide what happens to everyone on p99 Blue? What's up with Menden and Galach kowtowing to the mob?

We've had the draft for almost two years now and what has that accomplished? Kittens has been in ToV, outside of a quake, a handful of times at most and only in the past 6-8 weeks? They also have enough ST keys to compete there, yet never do.

TSS - even less than kittens.

All other draft guilds - eashen guards and hot, that's it. I may have seen one attempt at an LTK since the drafts' inception, which Vanquish and Riot chose not to pursue as a target as an incentive.

"we want to learn tactics" - There's over 20 years of information online on each and every encounter, look it up. None of it has changed at all when there is zero competition. Competition is what breeds innovative ways to succeed.

"It's wildly popular" - are you a 12 year old girl at a Justin Bieber concert? Of course "FREE SHIT" is "wildly popular"! Who would have thought!?

The bottom line is that all of you don't want to compete, which is where the fun and magic is, and you just want free shit. You're playing the wrong game / server.

EQ wasn't designed to be competitive nor did original GM's want that.. competition is playing on RED cause you can actually hit other players. In before 'blahblahblah PvE competition'. Yeah there's WoW for that or instances on live.

left riot nearly a year go and I was pulling severilous and winning the races yet the 'competition' would RIP the dragon off mid-pull and try to leash it away. They don't get punished then lie about not knowing what they are doing. Took me awhile to figure out the server is mostly just for shit n giggles and tryna succeed doing raid mobs optimally and efficient with FRIENDS even if the encounter goes badly; cause then there's something to laugh about. The "competition" on blue is mostly " How do I gather evidence to prove yer guilty or innocent doing X".. aka lawyer questing.


Shitty raid scene

Also the server is free to play on.. No one is forcing you to raid on quakes. You want to end drafts (I assume) Yet complain and are concerned there's too many quakes which result in burnt out players needing rest. Don't Draft picks then also give time for players to relax? Again.. No one is forcing you to kill these raid targets immediately.

Devalued items...? All items inherently have no value because its a 20 year old elf-game and only less than 2k ppl play it. Some speed running Twitch streamers have more users on a regular basis. I suppose their Emojis in chat is worth way more value than ToV loot.

Go outside LOL

[hobart]

I swear some of these kids feel so proud sitting down 18 hours on their shit bucket while drinking beer which conveniently can be used as an urinal.

Most of these "kids" are 40+ years old. They just happen to be less accomplished than you, maybe. Accomplished meaning outside of P99, obvs.

[SantagarBrax]

You're jumping to conclusions about what you think might happen if competition dies. You don't know, and pretending to only makes you made like this.

I understand a lot of people like competition on this server. That's cool. But again, to claim the game is built up for competition is silly. Its much easier to argue its built for COOPERATION.

No, i'm not jumping to conclusions. History has proven this to be correct.

EQ Live did just that and it died. No one talks about anything past Omens of War and no one gives a shit. They instanced it for all of you who don't want to interact with anyone outside of your guilds and comfort zones and it was one of the main reasons it destroyed the experience we all loved.

While cooperation is key, it only goes to a certain level. Past that, it's just redundant, flavorless, and boring. That's why we all left in 2005.

We knew back then, just as now, that those great times were gone forever. Now, you want to do the same thing here.

Shame on you

[SantagarBrax]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010302105555/http://lum.xrgaming.net/aradune.html

Ahh you chose to completely ignore the context of this interview and the reality of p99.

<Aradune> "..we're hoping there will simply be less crowding and therefore less competition.." Is that the case here on p99?

<Aradune> "EQ, though, is a social game, based on interdependence in many ways." You've just proven the point I was making. This game, the very best parts of it, rely upon interdependence with one another. You, nor any other player, hast the right to dictate less interaction with other people on the server simply because you don't like it.

<Aradune> "I'd try to positively address some of the following problems: camping, players outleveling their friends, kill stealing, etc.....But I won't say how :) "

Again, you choose to ignore the context as well as the vision for the future that Brad was attempting. He never knew there would be any time locked server based upon what many consider the best Everquest experience timeline ever.

You are neglecting the time locked server that you play on, the very reason for being here. If you truly wanted no interaction outside of those you want to play with, you'd be on Live or another server instead of here and agreeing with those that want less interaction.

[SantagarBrax]

Lmao do you literally have so little of a life outside of P99 that you’re getting bent out of shape over this?

“Omg sometimes a guild doesn’t try to compete on certain content because they aren’t the guild filled with no life neckbeards who have nothing better to do than do the same raid for the 1 millionth time on an emulated server for a 23 year old video game!!!!!!!! How dare they!!!!!! They are terrible and we are the best!!!!!”

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You average over 2 posts per day for the last four years and have the audacity and hubris to call anyone out for speaking about something they have already experienced on Live and don't wish to see here - Catastrophe.

You have no clue how the raid scene operates based upon your statement above. You are agreeing with my views even though you don't realize it. I don't want to "do the same raid for the 1 millionth time" without any innovation or interaction with others, a la competition.

I did that for 16 months in Riot and it was the most boring, flavorless, monotony ever.

[SantagarBrax]

I mean this guy is citing his P99 pixels from 2015 as being evidence of his opinions on EQ, his whole concept revolves around this emu not the original game it pays tribute to, doubtful he ever raided in 99-01.

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[SantagarBrax]

It's hilarious to see him crying about no competition when he doesn't address the most obvious reason as to why it's the case. Competition in his mind is all about who gets the FTE and a guild able to tank and spank the boss. P99 competition however is having 4+ targets in a + or - 24h window on a typical raid week, having 20 alts parked on target 1, teams of trackers taking shifts to hit that batphone like working at a McDonald's, sweaty neckbeards at the race line waiting to be the big hero. All the resources online on top of cheating 3rd party software like GINA isn't the reason why casuals can't compete. It's because of the big time variance.

If GM's abolished super draft, but instead reduced the 7 day cycle to a 6 hour window and the 3 days to a 2 hour window, a lot of the mid tier guilds going nowhere atm would bother to show up and try to do these bosses. Sure they would most likely fail early on in getting the FTE or even executing the fight but given enough time there actually would be real competition on the mobs and not about who can take a shit the longest while waiting 15+hours for a pop. I mean some of these clowns are sweaty enough to even sock a quake... then they wonder why the majority can't or won't join their sockfest.

You clearly haven't raided in a very long time to even make these generalizations. You should really try to keep up with current events.

Okay, Kunark guy.

[SantagarBrax]

Btw, 340 people in ToV yesterday and it was awesome. Very little friction to be had, communication was healthy, joking and bullshitting in /ooc.

Anyone else notice that the loudest, most disgruntled, and "pissed off at the world" folks here represent about 10% of the population? The rest of server gets along just fine. We all have friends across many guilds and help each other frequently, even while raiding.

There's a false picture being portrayed here and in p99 blue general Discord regarding raiding on p99, they're the same culprits who say "oh the raid scene is so bad, poopsocking, neckbeards, 20+ years elf sim, etc". It's not, it's actually quite fun when we leave you 10% out of the equation.

The two hour back and forth struggle over Vulak alone was worth more than any of your constant reeeing for rotations (draft) and instancing. No one cares about the lvl 47 alt that won an abashi's, no disrespect intended to them.

Everyone remembers the struggle.

[Mateo]

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[SantagarBrax]

Mevath — Today at 1:05 PM
"Let’s be clear, the draft has allowed us to be more competitive during earthquakes and thats one of the reasons Vanquish wants it to end. Its never been about competition, its about control. Getting able to participate in a draft allows for people to learn fights and to further progress the server as a whole. I would say Vanquish somewhat fears the draft and what it means."

This first statement of yours is a lie. The draft may have allowed you to be more competitive on Quakes, yet you have chosen not to compete outside of them or the draft after all this time. The increased frequency of Quakes over the past several months has performed the same role as the draft, opening up targets for you to secure without any competition.

We welcome you and everyone else into the fold of Rogean and Nilbog's vision for Project 1999. There is plenty of room here for all and the stock of this game will only rise with more guilds competing, increasing the value of the experience for all as well as providing a healthy and attractive game for many years to come.

Don't destroy this project like Everquest did on Live, embrace it.

[Reiwa]

Mevath — Today at 1:05 PM
"Let’s be clear, the draft has allowed us to be more competitive during earthquakes and thats one of the reasons Vanquish wants it to end. Its never been about competition, its about control. Getting able to participate in a draft allows for people to learn fights and to further progress the server as a whole. I would say Vanquish somewhat fears the draft and what it means."

This first statement of yours is a lie. The draft may have allowed you to be more competitive on Quakes, yet you have chosen not to compete outside of them or the draft after all this time. The increased frequency of Quakes over the past several months has performed the same role as the draft, opening up targets for you to secure without any competition.

We welcome you and everyone else into the fold of Rogean and Nilbog's vision for Project 1999. There is plenty of room here for all and the stock of this game will only rise with more guilds competing, increasing the value of the experience for all as well as providing a healthy and attractive game for many years to come.

Don't destroy this project like Everquest did on Live, embrace it.

Ok but he only said it about quakes, reading comprehension my dude. :cool:

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Its about competition. The only reason why you don't think so is because you don't have the ability to compete. It would be awesome if there were 3 or 4 guilds at the same level as Vanquish. Sadly there aren't, and guilds seem to prefer welfare over improving their raiding ability.

[Ripqozko]

Its about competition. The only reason why you don't think so is because you don't have the ability to compete. It would be awesome if there were 3 or 4 guilds at the same level as Vanquish. Sadly there aren't, and guilds seem to prefer welfare over improving their raiding ability.

competition died when sleeper woke, sorry you werent there.

[Arvan]

Its about competition. The only reason why you don't think so is because you don't have the ability to compete. It would be awesome if there were 3 or 4 guilds at the same level as Vanquish. Sadly there aren't, and guilds seem to prefer welfare over improving their raiding ability.

Go play call of duty then. No one cares that you want to pretend having no life and poopsocking for 16 hours means something.

[Croco]

Go play call of duty then. No one cares that you want to pretend having no life and poopsocking for 16 hours means something.

[Ennewi]

<Aradune> "..we're hoping there will simply be less crowding and therefore less competition.." Is that the case here on p99?

overcrowding site:www.project1999.com (https://www.google.com/search?q=overcrowding+site%3Awww.project1999.com&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS902US902&ei=l3fvYvP2H6HS9AOJ6YbYDg&ved=0ahUKEwizns_Up7T5AhUhKX0KHYm0AesQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=overcrowding+site%3Awww.project1999.com&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EANKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQAFirEGDTEWg AcAB4AIABXYgB_giSAQIxNJgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz)

Beyond that, overcrowding exists in the form of level 60 alt armies and shared accounts more so than actual players. And then there was overcrowding on green server which reached upwards towards 2600 pop before teal according to some comments.

<Aradune> "EQ, though, is a social game, based on interdependence in many ways." You've just proven the point I was making. This game, the very best parts of it, rely upon interdependence with one another. You, nor any other player, hast the right to dictate less interaction with other people on the server simply because you don't like it.

The devs at SOE concluded that each player did in fact have the right to dictate less interaction with other people on those servers and allowed as much through the /ignore command while also providing GMs with commands of their own to restrict players who were deemed to be in violation of the rules.

https://web.archive.org/web/20001215032000/http://eqcorner.com/guides/commands/communicationtools.shtm

/ignore
This command is for the ignore feature. If someone in the game is bothering you type /ignore NAME. To see a list of everyone on your ignore list type /ignore and the list will appear. To remove someone from the list, simply type /ignore NAME and it will remove them.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010301234254/http://amtgard.pinkpig.com/everquest/eqcommands.htm

/freeze - GM Command. Allows the GM to "freeze" a character - immoblizing them.
/harmless - GM Command. Renders targeted player harmless. They cannot harm anything until they've been restored by the /harmful command.
/silence - GM Command. Targeted player can no longer communicate via ANY channel. Must be reversed with /unsilence.

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It's not a bug, even if it isn't classic. Blame Greengrocer.

Also, if interactions and interdependence are so important to competitors, than the most competitive players wouldn't have even considered using autofire and/or scripting.

You are neglecting the time locked server that you play on, the very reason for being here.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303827&page=4

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imo blue won't be the museum due to how long we spent in Kunark and Velious, as green would be timeline accurate, I think that has a better chance. but again just my opinion.

and to clarify the OP, all those things I rattled off were just things that i had suggested or heard suggested by someone else. That doesn't mean nilbog or any other dev is in agreement with them or on board with them, just things that I thought sounded A+

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The server will stop at Velious, at which point many options will be considered, including possible custom content that will maintain the spirit of the game, and/or an additional new server starting over at Pre-Kunark.

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Nexus... maybe.
AA's.. unlikely but I wouldn't completely rule them out.. maybe a small amount of them.

But reusing plane of power zones and attaching them to existing zonelines spread out across the current norrath, definitely a possibility. Those zones look great, and lots of room for content. All the mobs and itemization would be custom to stay in line with velious level RvR.
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More likely it would become shadowhaven.

Gfay is difficult because there's no evil vendors or bank.
I see no reason to introduce shadowhaven. Cat people will never exist on P99.

I'd also like to avoid Nexus being the new EC, if it was introduced even just as a zone to get across continents. Maybe make it a "void" like zone.. you can't speak, can't do anything but utilize the porter pads. AFK Long enough and you're ported back to wence you came!
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Btw, 340 people in ToV yesterday and it was awesome. Very little friction to be had, communication was healthy, joking and bullshitting in /ooc.

Anyone else notice that the loudest, most disgruntled, and "pissed off at the world" folks here represent about 10% of the population? The rest of server gets along just fine. We all have friends across many guilds and help each other frequently, even while raiding.

There's a false picture being portrayed here

You must be referring to yourself when referring to that 10%.

https://i.imgur.com/2PonYzM.jpg

[eisley]

competition died when sleeper woke, sorry you werent there.

The year or two after Sleeper Awakening were pretty competitive times too. The early Awakened/Aftermath era. I found this period to be more *competitive* than the Rampage/Forsaken era.

I think most people accepted the inevitable reality that you were either in Rampage or you were never seeing a Warder.

After the awakening, a lot of questions rose and the scene became a lot more open and the meta shifted. FTE races, low numbers kills, etc.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Go play call of duty then. No one cares that you want to pretend having no life and poopsocking for 16 hours means something.

You could turn the same argument around to yourself. Nobody cares you want welfare pixels:)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Literally just about every other MMO basically hands out loot for free these days. Why try to change one of the lasts MMO's out there that doesn't? You have a much broader choice of MMO for free loot than people who want competition.

[loramin]

overcrowding site:www.project1999.com (https://www.google.com/search?q=overcrowding+site%3Awww.project1999.com&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS902US902&ei=l3fvYvP2H6HS9AOJ6YbYDg&ved=0ahUKEwizns_Up7T5AhUhKX0KHYm0AesQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=overcrowding+site%3Awww.project1999.com&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EANKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQAFirEGDTEWg AcAB4AIABXYgB_giSAQIxNJgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz)

Beyond that, overcrowding exists in the form of level 60 alt armies and shared accounts more so than actual players. And then there was overcrowding on green server which reached upwards towards 2600 pop before teal according to some comments.



The devs at SOE concluded that each player did in fact have the right to dictate less interaction with other people on those servers and allowed as much through the /ignore command while also providing GMs with commands of their own to restrict players who were deemed to be in violation of the rules.

https://web.archive.org/web/20001215032000/http://eqcorner.com/guides/commands/communicationtools.shtm



https://web.archive.org/web/20010301234254/http://amtgard.pinkpig.com/everquest/eqcommands.htm



https://www.project1999.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-227049.html





Also, if interactions and interdependence are so important to competitors, than the most competitive players wouldn't have even considered using autofire and/or scripting.



https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303827&page=4



https://www.project1999.com/index.php?pageid=about



https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86584







You must be referring to yourself when referring to that 10%.

https://i.imgur.com/2PonYzM.jpg

Man, I'm not even in this fight, but that was a wall of disingenuous arguments!

[Arvan]

Literally just about every other MMO basically hands out loot for free these days. Why try to change one of the lasts MMO's out there that doesn't? You have a much broader choice of MMO for free loot than people who want competition.

Some people (like me) enjoy most aspects of this server and have been here going on 10 years. Simply telling me to leave isn't productive. How about stop being a toddler in a sand pit who refuses to share his toys and start becoming a grown up adult.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Some people (like me) enjoy most aspects of this server and have been here going on 10 years. Simply telling me to leave isn't productive. How about stop being a toddler in a sand pit who refuses to share his toys and start becoming a grown up adult.

Yes, stop being a toddler and whining about not getting what you want. Play TLP if you want easy loot. You have options. People who want competition don't. You are the only selfish one here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I really don't understand how people think they are being the selfless ones by trying to change one of the last MMO's that have competition. You can literally play TLP and get everything you want due to instancing, which is the logical conclusion of what the welfare pixel players want.

I can only assume you are just too cheap to pay the money, which is why you want to throw a tantrum until P99 becomes more like TLP.

[Ravager]

Yes, stop being a toddler and whining about not getting what you want. Play TLP if you want easy loot. You have options. People who want competition don't. You are the only selfish one here.

Way to compete there, Champ!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Way to compete there, Champ!

I am sorry, but it's true. It's selfish and childish when you try to change a game to match what you want. There is a reason why multiple games exist. If you don't want to play Call of Duty, the answer is to find another game, not complain until Call of Duty becomes a fantasy RPG.

Same with P99. If you want to play an MMO where you can get loot fairly quickly and easily, that is basically every other MMO in existence at the moment, including the TLP.

Let people who like competition play on basically one of the only servers left in the world that allows it. Stop being so silly.

[Jibartik]

I am literally blown away that this server can be around as long as it is and stay focused on classic, and obtaining pixels is still this dramatic.

What a game.

[Ripqozko]

There is no competition, you are living a farce. Sorry you werent there when the sleeper woke.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

There is no competition, you are living a farce. Sorry you werent there when the sleeper woke.

Still more competition than most MMO's. Sorry you only care about Sleeper, where most Warder loot isn't even that good.

[Ripqozko]

Still more competition than most MMO's. Sorry you only care about Sleeper, where most Warder loot isn't even that good.

id call it bad too if i wasnt even playing then. sorry you are new

[DeathsSilkyMist]

id call it bad too if i wasnt even playing then. sorry you are new

Most of it is factually bad. Sorry you haven't seen other loot.

[Ravager]

I am sorry, but it's true. It's selfish and childish when you try to change a game to match what you want. There is a reason why multiple games exist. If you don't want to play Call of Duty, the answer is to find another game, not complain until Call of Duty becomes a fantasy RPG.

Same with P99. If you want to play an MMO where you can get loot fairly quickly and easily, that is basically every other MMO in existence at the moment, including the TLP.

Let people who like competition play on basically one of the only servers left in the world that allows it. Stop being so silly.

Wow, you're a poor sport. I was encouraging you!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Wow, you're a poor sport. I was encouraging you!

I am not a poor sport. You simply need to be more clear if that is what you were doing. I cannot see your face, or read your mind. Typing in simple, vague text is easy to misinterpret.

[Reiwa]

I really don't understand how people think they are being the selfless ones by trying to change one of the last MMO's that have competition. You can literally play TLP and get everything you want due to instancing, which is the logical conclusion of what the welfare pixel players want.

I can only assume you are just too cheap to pay the money, which is why you want to throw a tantrum until P99 becomes more like TLP.

Ops thread, ops tantrum mlord.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Ops thread, ops tantrum mlord.

I don't understand what you are saying.

[Reiwa]

I don't understand what you are saying.

Cry about it, sir. :p

[Ennewi]

Man, I'm not even in this fight, but that was a wall of disingenuous arguments!

It isn't disingenuous to argue that player behavior requires a certain amount of controls be used. This is true even outside of game, with the forum bans and discord having slowmode/bans. During the greengrocer alt spam years back, players were told by staff that they could train any of his newly created characters to prevent him from spamming EC, because he would do it at all hours of the day when staff couldn't be on due to rl obligations. We were specifically allowed to prevent him from having more interactions with /ooc, /auction, and /shout because people didn't like trying to /ignore the long confusing names of his new characters every hour on the hour.

It isn't disingenuous to argue that alt armies parked at nearly every raid target create overcrowding the moment that target spawns. Players desync semi-regularly because of this. People can conceivably have or have access to more level 60 characters than there are raid targets in the game world, as opposed to the 8 characters and sole account most players had in classic.

By it's very nature, a PVE server "dictates less interaction with other people on the server simply because people don't like" PVP. Similarly, those who like PVP don't all like the same PVP. That's why there were different servers with different rulesets. We don't have that luxury here, so we have to try our best to compromise. The hardcore players have received the lion's share of content for years. Their concern may very well be that if they give an inch, the casuals will take a mile. This would be a legitimate concern if they weren't dealing with casuals who have little to no interest is dedicating the time required for daily/weekly forays into ToV, PoG, etc.

https://web.archive.org/web/20000306093326/http://www.everworld.net/cgi-local/pvp.cgi?read=1205

Posted By: DarkHelm Da Bad of CC
Posted On: 1:54 p.m. 27/2/1999
Subject: PvP server


This is taken from an interview with Brad Mcquaid and PC ign:

BM: Several ways, really. First, the PK switch which

allows players to choose whether they want to be

involved in Player vs. Player combat is turning out to

be a HUGE success. We launched Phase 4 with 5

regular servers and one unrestricted PvP server. So far,

less than five percent of Phase 4 testers have chosen to

play on the PvP server, and the majority are choosing to

play non-PK on the regular servers. Clearly, the players

have spoken loud and clear on this issue.

Also, EverQuest is a very group oriented game. We allow the

players to form groups and guilds, and to share

experience and loot, and to communicate globally. By

creating a more cooperative game, players are finding

both the need and desire to work together with others

and not just perceive another player as a target or a

victim. ItÂ’s really refreshing to see.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Cry about it, sir. :p

I am not crying at all. You are basically just wasting your time talking nonsense:)

[Reiwa]

I am not crying at all. You are basically just wasting your time talking nonsense:)

How do you know it's nonsense if you don't know what it is? 🤔

[DeathsSilkyMist]

How do you know it's nonsense if you don't know what it is? 🤔

Easy. It isn't normal English, and nobody is responding to you. Might as well just type asdfasdfsadfas.

[Ripqozko]

Easy. It isn't normal English, and nobody is responding to you. Might as well just type asdfasdfsadfas.

we get it you play a sk

[DeathsSilkyMist]

we get it you play a sk

Sorry you think this is a catch and clever phrase. It's not.

[Reiwa]

Easy. It isn't normal English, and nobody is responding to you. Might as well just type asdfasdfsadfas.

Can't you wallow in your own ignorance instead of blaming me?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Can't you wallow in your own ignorance instead of blaming me?

Can't you speak proper English instead of blaming others when you type poorly?

[Reiwa]

Can't you speak proper English instead of blaming others when you type poorly?

Sokath, his eyes opened.

[loramin]

It isn't disingenuous to argue ...

I was responding to what you wrote. I won't try and address it all, as it was a massive post full of disingenuity, but just to pick one obvious example, you argued:

The devs at SOE concluded that each player did in fact have the right to dictate less interaction with other people on those servers and allowed as much through the /ignore command while also providing GMs with commands of their own to restrict players who were deemed to be in violation of the rules.

/ignore has nothing to do with how raiding is or isn't moderated: you even bringing it into the conversation (as if it was relevant) is disingenuous.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Sokath, his eyes opened.

Yes, my eyes have been open. Sadly yours are closed, which is why you are typing nonsense and not realizing it:)

[Reiwa]

Yes, my eyes have been open. Sadly yours are closed, which is why you are typing nonsense and not realizing it:)

Glad to helped you figure out what OP is, tiger.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Glad to helped you figure out what OP is, tiger.

And you continue to type nonsense. Off topic nonsense to boot.

[Reiwa]

And you continue to type nonsense. Off topic nonsense to boot.

Cool sentence fragments, my brother in Christ.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Cool sentence fragments, my brother in Christ.

They were cool. Thanks!

[Chortles Snortles]

Want to see my Shaman videos?
(lol)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Want to see my Shaman videos?
(lol)

Please show them!

[Ennewi]

I was responding to what you wrote. I won't try and address it all, as it was a massive post full of disingenuity

But it's disingenuous to suggest that the massive post was what I wrote when it consisted mostly of quotes from others, copy/pasted.

to pick one obvious example, you argued: The devs at SOE concluded that each player did in fact have the right to dictate less interaction with other people on those servers and allowed as much through the /ignore command while also providing GMs with commands of their own to restrict players who were deemed to be in violation of the rules.

/ignore has nothing to do with how raiding is or isn't moderated: you even bringing it into the conversation (as if it was relevant) is disingenuous.

EQ came from MUDs, text-based games, so it's hard to see how /ignore isn't relevant. But the conversation stopped being strictly about raiding and/or moderation right around here...

Originally Posted by SantagarBrax View Post
You, nor any other player, hast the right to dictate less interaction with other people on the server simply because you don't like it.

That is a very broad, black and white statement. The massive wall of copy/paste "disingenuity" highlighted the gray area that exists and there's a lot of it, hence the wall. Confronting people with a small blurb/direct quote earlier wasn't enough because those people chose to interpret it to fit their own point of view, which is fine but this the nature of genuinely debating a topic.

Again, the topic has expanded to cover interdependence and player interactions overall, but even just considering /ignore within the context of raids... If a player chooses to put someone on ignore, due to harassment, they won't see "TRAIN TO WEST EXIST" in /ooc from that player. Those situations rarely occur during draft week due to everyone picking their own times to train and kill targets. Clerics also use /rt to heal and have their heal chains in ooc/shout regularly, which opposing guilds have attempted to interfere with. Players have done this on golem races as well, /randoming when they weren't designated to do so. The list goes on, but that would lead to a wall of text...

[loramin]

Look Ennewi, all I'm saying is if you're going to make an argument to someone, make the argument.

Don't try and pass off something completely related (eg. /ignore) when it has nothing to do with topic at hand. Or do ... but learn to live with the fact that someone might call you disingenuous for doing so.

[loramin]

* completely unrelated

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeah /ignore is not really relevant to this discussion. If you are the kind of person who /ignores people, it's not really their fault if you get trained because you can't see their messages. Honestly even if someone is harassing you don't /ignore them. Save the logs and petition them.

[Ennewi]

Look Ennewi, all I'm saying is if you're going to make an argument to someone, make the argument.

https://i.imgur.com/mgyhxfp.gif

Don't try and pass off something completely related (eg. /ignore)

Ah, so then we are agreed?!

when it has nothing to do with topic at hand.

Oh...

Or do ... but learn to live with the fact that someone might call you disingenuous for doing so.

Third option: I will simply argue that it isn't disingenuous.

Players have chosen not to /ignore the OP in game for the exact reason mentioned, where otherwise they would have him on ignore permanently. He has trained guilds, intentionally and unintentionally, on multiple occasions. And, if he does announce a train, it would be helpful to read that in ooc/shout so the worst isn't just assumed with matters escalated. That means all other chat from the player is included by default.

It's odd to have to argue about how I'm arguing, but so be it.

[Ennewi]

Yeah /ignore is not really relevant to this discussion. If you are the kind of person who /ignores people, it's not really their fault if you get trained because you can't see their messages. Honestly even if someone is harassing you don't /ignore them. Save the logs and petition them.

It was a brick in the wall of the original copy/paste, almost a footnote, and only included because GMs have had their own commands to dictate less interaction on the server.

[Ennewi]

Yeah /ignore is not really relevant to this discussion. If you are the kind of person who /ignores people, it's not really their fault if you get trained because you can't see their messages. Honestly even if someone is harassing you don't /ignore them. Save the logs and petition them.

Considering the backlog of petitions, court of public opinion seems to be the go-to choice.

https://i.imgur.com/6YDZ7kL.png

https://i.imgur.com/1m5E5kC.png

[Croco]

I am literally blown away that this server can be around as long as it is and stay focused on classic, and obtaining pixels is still this dramatic.

What a game.

Entirely staff's fault. The prisoners have been running the prison for a long time.

[Arvan]

Yes, stop being a toddler and whining about not getting what you want. Play TLP if you want easy loot. You have options. People who want competition don't. You are the only selfish one here.

You/your guild are the minority on this server. You are the selfish one(s). This thread was created by a person whining. The irony again is giving me a hearty laugh.

[Ripqozko]

Competition got him booted out of the guild, imagine.

[ArbiterBlixen]

UCF is a hot head. But, not the hot head in charge. His boot was inevitable.

[Jimjam]

Yeah /ignore is not really relevant to this discussion. If you are the kind of person who /ignores people, it's not really their fault if you get trained because you can't see their messages. Honestly even if someone is harassing you don't /ignore them. Save the logs and petition them.

/ignore is great for if you are in a snappy kinda state and you want to just hide some ragebaiting so you don’t flip out. It would be cool if you could add a duration to ignore. Like /ignore soandso 1 day. As you say it is generally more useful to see comms, even if you aren’t keen on the sender.

[Sonderbeast]

/ignore is great for if you are in a snappy kinda state and you want to just hide some ragebaiting so you don’t flip out. It would be cool if you could add a duration to ignore. Like /ignore soandso 1 day. As you say it is generally more useful to see comms, even if you aren’t keen on the sender.

Ignore this chump

https://i.imgur.com/CmW7tSi.png

[Jimjam]

Ignore this chump

https://i.imgur.com/CmW7tSi.png

Confirmed scumbag but also Greatest Ban Ever.

Some AM repper was bigging up their guild (fair) by claiming the guild had a flawless record of raid targets (false). I replied with a screenshot of a recent VS wipe (facts) and got put on the naughty step for trolling guild recruitment.

I still maintain the real troll was the recruiter misrepresenting the truth of a guilds success to potential apps.

[Patrece]

Lots of pretend raid guilds up on here, esp beta box

[Allishia]

Ya 6 hour windows, mobs would be spawning left n right /nod

[Tethler]

Now that OP has been guild kicked, I wonder how quick his tune will change once he joins a guild that benefits from the drafts.

[Ripqozko]

I think he will roll an alt and rejoin vanquish and hide like Eisley did

[hobart]

I think he will roll an alt and rejoin vanquish and hide like Eisley did

[Arvan]

Now that OP has been guild kicked, I wonder how quick his tune will change once he joins a guild that benefits from the drafts.

Whatever narrative gives him the most pixels is the correct narrative!

[reznor_]

Vulak wipe at 3% really touched some nerves, seems like. Can you tell your clerics and shamans to get their heads out of their asses?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Considering the backlog of petitions, court of public opinion seems to be the go-to choice.

https://i.imgur.com/6YDZ7kL.png

https://i.imgur.com/1m5E5kC.png


Prayer, Mr. Saavik.

[Fammaden]

I guess he wasn't deemed meritorious.

[Castle2.0]

Bladefrenzy's Meritocracy

Let's go!

[adruidarkly]

summary: i sat and watched walls more than you guys therefor i am superior

[SantagarBrax]

Now that OP has been guild kicked, I wonder how quick his tune will change once he joins a guild that benefits from the drafts.

It won't. I stand by my convictions and previous statements.

[SantagarBrax]

Whatever narrative gives him the most pixels is the correct narrative!

For the last time, it's not about pixels once you have been raiding for years. Decades even. The true fun of the game is within the competition, countering another guilds' innovated tactics to encounters.

None of these encounters are singularly difficult without competition. They're all in fact rather easy and become boring without the competition. The only difficulties include the human interactive experience.

How can I make this any clearer?

[Ripqozko]

For the last time, it's not about pixels once you have been raiding for years. Decades even. The true fun of the game is within the competition, countering another guilds' innovated tactics to encounters.

None of these encounters are singularly difficult without competition. They're all in fact rather easy and become boring without the competition. The only difficulties include the human interactive experience.

How can I make this any clearer?

Who ya gonna do competition with now?

[SantagarBrax]

Why are curious or interested when you don't compete?

[pogs4ever]

I don’t find competition that fun. Sorry you don’t got

[Arvan]

For the last time, it's not about pixels once you have been raiding for years. Decades even. The true fun of the game is within the competition, countering another guilds' innovated tactics to encounters.

None of these encounters are singularly difficult without competition. They're all in fact rather easy and become boring without the competition. The only difficulties include the human interactive experience.

How can I make this any clearer?

P99 doesnt have competition. It has guilds that include 40 year old children who i guess still live with their parents and dont work to allow them to poopsock 16 hour windows to fte when the stuff spawns.

That isn't competition that is mental illness / drain on society.

[Arvan]

Consider call of duty or EFT or chess if you want to play a fair competitive game. Not a cooperative PVE mmorpg (consider red if you want to fight the other players)

[ScruffMacBuff]

Classic everquest didn't have 500 level 60s standing on top of each other on the same server. This server has to make concessions for that. It's funny that you think one guild with 20 sweaties nabbing every spawn and assigning themselves most of the dkp for doinClassic everquest didn't have 500 level 60s standing on top of each other on the same server. This server has to make concessions for that. It's funny that you think one guild with 20 sweaties nabbing every spawn and assigning themselves most of the dkp for doing so would be healthy for the server lolg so would be healthy for the server lolClassic everquest didn't have 500 level 60s standing on top of each other on the same server. This server has to make concessions for that. It's funny that you think one guild with 20 sweaties nabbing every spawn and assigning themselves most of the dkp for doing so would be healthy for the server lolClassic everquest didn't have 500 level 60s standing on top of each other on the same server. This server has to make concessions for that. It's funny that you think one guild with 20 sweaties nabbing every spawn and assigning themselves most of the dkp for doing so would be healthy for the server lol

I'm not gonna lie, I read like 75% through when I realized it was reapeating.

[ScruffMacBuff]

For the last time, it's not about pixels once you have been raiding for years. Decades even. The true fun of the game is within the competition, countering another guilds' innovated tactics to encounters.

None of these encounters are singularly difficult without competition. They're all in fact rather easy and become boring without the competition. The only difficulties include the human interactive experience.

How can I make this any clearer?

It's crystal clear, but it's also just your opinion.

YOU think the true fun of the game is within the competition.

YOU think the true of of the game is countering other guilds tactics.

What YOU fail to realize is that people are allowed to have different opinions, and that you have to share this server with a whole bunch of em.

So if we have to share, why is it so fucking hard to even consider meeting in the middle?

Why is it so hard to realize the irony of your argument? That irony being the complaining from you and detoxx about us trying to force you into a playstyle you don't like, when you're the ones holding up progress by being the 1/7 against it. Literally forcing your play style on others like the absolute hypocrites you always have been.

And yes I realize you ain't VQ anymore, but you're apparently so principled you can't change your mind.

[Arvan]

It's crystal clear, but it's also just your opinion.

YOU think the true fun of the game is within the competition.

YOU think the true of of the game is countering other guilds tactics.

What YOU fail to realize is that people are allowed to have different opinions, and that you have to share this server with a whole bunch of em.

So if we have to share, why is it so fucking hard to even consider meeting in the middle?

Why is it so hard to realize the irony of your argument? That irony being the complaining from you and detoxx about us trying to force you into a playstyle you don't like, when you're the ones holding up progress by being the 1/7 against it. Literally forcing your play style on others like the absolute hypocrites you always have been.

And yes I realize you ain't VQ anymore, but you're apparently so principled you can't change your mind.

He's a toddler in a sandbox who cries/gets angry when someone asks him to share his toys. That really is the very best analogy.

[Reiwa]

It's crystal clear, but it's also just your opinion.

YOU think the true fun of the game is within the competition.

YOU think the true of of the game is countering other guilds tactics.

What YOU fail to realize is that people are allowed to have different opinions, and that you have to share this server with a whole bunch of em.

So if we have to share, why is it so fucking hard to even consider meeting in the middle?

Why is it so hard to realize the irony of your argument? That irony being the complaining from you and detoxx about us trying to force you into a playstyle you don't like, when you're the ones holding up progress by being the 1/7 against it. Literally forcing your play style on others like the absolute hypocrites you always have been.

And yes I realize you ain't VQ anymore, but you're apparently so principled you can't change your mind.

Is he allowed to have the opinion that guide rules are not admin rules?

[ScruffMacBuff]

Is he allowed to have the opinion that guide rules are not admin rules?

The guy chooses what rules to follow. Have you seen the screenshots of that discussion where he argues with a guy about what the rules say on outdoor camps? Guy just says ignore the rules.

Feels entitled to everything he wants all the time. Sounds like a child to me.

[Reiwa]

The guy chooses what rules to follow. Have you seen the screenshots of that discussion where he argues with a guy about what the rules say on outdoor camps? Guy just says ignore the rules.

Feels entitled to everything he wants all the time. Sounds like a child to me.

Yes that seems to be his position. Guide created rules are not rules set by the admins.

[ScruffMacBuff]

Yes that seems to be his position. Guide created rules are not rules set by the admins.

FWIW the camp rule is an admin rule.

I'm not really sure what you're getting at though. It doesn't really matter if they are admin rules or guide rules. If one can be punished for breaking the rules whether they are admin or guide, then the distinction makes no difference.

The guides serve at the pleasure of the admins, so whatever rule they create is approved by the admins unless they state otherwise.

[Reiwa]

FWIW the camp rule is an admin rule.

I'm not really sure what you're getting at though. It doesn't really matter if they are admin rules or guide rules. If one can be punished for breaking the rules whether they are admin or guide, then the distinction makes no difference.

The guides serve at the pleasure of the admins, so whatever rule they create is approved by the admins unless they state otherwise.

I don't know what I'm getting at I only kill gnolls.

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/GPp7AU6.jpg

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/GPp7AU6.jpg

Come on over to off topic, we're having a discussion on how being too tall gives you cancer. :p

[Chortles Snortles]

https://i.imgur.com/GPp7AU6.jpg

[magephyre1]

This topic has more of the classic EQ toxic bullshit "if you have anything going on in your life other than this game then FUCK YOU!" than you can shake a stick at. God damn, if you played the game when it was young you're at least in your 40s.

[magephyre1]

You could turn the same argument around to yourself. Nobody cares you want welfare pixels:)

You are a goddamned middle-aged person. You talking like this is a fucking sickness. You are mentally ill and instead of doing something to help it you're funneling your entire being into maintaining it.

[Ripqozko]

DSM and ucf are basically the same, they both will achtually you to death

[cd288]

You are a goddamned middle-aged person. You talking like this is a fucking sickness. You are mentally ill and instead of doing something to help it you're funneling your entire being into maintaining it.

This

[SantagarBrax]

It's crystal clear, but it's also just your opinion.

YOU think the true fun of the game is within the competition.

YOU think the true of of the game is countering other guilds tactics.

What YOU fail to realize is that people are allowed to have different opinions, and that you have to share this server with a whole bunch of em.

So if we have to share, why is it so fucking hard to even consider meeting in the middle?

Why is it so hard to realize the irony of your argument? That irony being the complaining from you and detoxx about us trying to force you into a playstyle you don't like, when you're the ones holding up progress by being the 1/7 against it. Literally forcing your play style on others like the absolute hypocrites you always have been.

And yes I realize you ain't VQ anymore, but you're apparently so principled you can't change your mind.

Everyone is allowed their opinion. However, I don't share my opinions to the rest of the server, then force them to conform by decree . That is blatant totalitarianism. I present my opinion, state my reasoning's behind my position, then interact with others /gasp to have a healthy discourse. This concept constitutes a healthy society.

In this particular scenario, 6/7 guilds are pushing for a 50% increase in Draft weeks: from quarterly to every 8 weeks.. No insignificant increase or minor request despite the numbers appearing so going from "4" to "6". What you should have said is "7/7 guilds' Leadership agree" as most members on this server had no clue. We'll unpack that further in a moment.

With the increase in Quakes, many targets have opened up for all of those interested and willing to make it happen. We've never before had x5 guilds in ToV at the same time on Blue and all competing for targets. In essence, the server is already receiving the goal of the draft "to experience new content". You just have to play the game and experience it.

I, and those whom agree with me, are not "forcing" our playstyle upon the rest of server. This is the natural evolution of what would have been if the classic era was time-locked. Yes, cooperation is a necessity. I believe competition is too and the proof is in the pudding here on P99 Blue.

What you guys have been pushing for is what killed Everquest Live, I experienced it first hand. There were many factors, but that artificial limiting of interaction between people/guilds is the main culprit. In my opinion, this interaction is the premiere magical component of any MMO - The human spirit. Possibilities become endless and inconceivable until forced to conceptualize it based upon necessity, whether that is cooperative and/or competitive. No one should ever limit interaction in an MMO and for the life of me, I don't understand why you can't see this or respect this golden rule. This is a hill I'm willing to die on.

Addressing the ridiculously hasty attempt to shove this through to the server:

Leadership from all of Guilds participating in the Draft attempted to steamroll this through in a few short weeks without giving people the opportunity contemplate it, come to a determination, let alone voice their conclusions to their leaders. That's super shady. I imagine most guild members weren't even aware of this unless they happened to stumble into the UN discord to see it occurring. I had to ask Vanquish what was going on since no one really had any idea. I spoke to friends across multiple guilds and asked them if they were aware and they replied that they had no clue. Then, you throw up your hands because you don't get your way, right away, and demand that Menden make a ruling because "September is right around the corner and we were hoping..."

Yes, we are all aware of how quickly you attempted to force more rotations/instancing upon the rest of the server without Members' knowledge and input. Shame on you. So much for "The Community!" There's your irony.

[Reiwa]

Everyone is allowed their opinion. However, I don't share my opinions to the rest of the server, then force them to conform by decree . That is blatant totalitarianism. I present my opinion, state my reasoning's behind my position, then interact with others /gasp to have a healthy discourse. This concept constitutes a healthy society.

In this particular scenario, 6/7 guilds are pushing for a 50% increase in Draft weeks: from quarterly to every 8 weeks.. No insignificant increase or minor request despite the numbers appearing so going from "4" to "6". What you should have said is "7/7 guilds' Leadership agree" as most members on this server had no clue. We'll unpack that further in a moment.

With the increase in Quakes, many targets have opened up for all of those interested and willing to make it happen. We've never before had x5 guilds in ToV at the same time on Blue and all competing for targets. In essence, the server is already receiving the goal of the draft "to experience new content". You just have to play the game and experience it.

I, and those whom agree with me, are not "forcing" our playstyle upon the rest of server. This is the natural evolution of what would have been if the classic era was time-locked. Yes, cooperation is a necessity. I believe competition is too and the proof is in the pudding here on P99 Blue.

What you guys have been pushing for is what killed Everquest Live, I experienced it first hand. There were many factors, but that artificial limiting of interaction between people/guilds is the main culprit. In my opinion, this interaction is the premiere magical component of any MMO - The human spirit. Possibilities become endless and inconceivable until forced to conceptualize it based upon necessity, whether that is cooperative and/or competitive. No one should ever limit interaction in an MMO and for the life of me, I don't understand why you can't see this or respect this golden rule. This is a hill I'm willing to die on.

Addressing the ridiculously hasty attempt to shove this through to the server:

Leadership from all of Guilds participating in the Draft attempted to steamroll this through in a few short weeks without giving people the opportunity contemplate it, come to a determination, let alone voice their conclusions to their leaders. That's super shady. I imagine most guild members weren't even aware of this unless they happened to stumble into the UN discord to see it occurring. I had to ask Vanquish what was going on since no one really had any idea. I spoke to friends across multiple guilds and asked them if they were aware and they replied that they had no clue. Then, you throw up your hands because you don't get your way, right away, and demand that Menden make a ruling because "September is right around the corner and we were hoping..."

Yes, we are all aware of how quickly you attempted to force more rotations/instancing upon the rest of the server without Members' knowledge and input. Shame on you. So much for "The Community!" There's your irony.

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[mycoolrausch]

What you guys have been pushing for is what killed Everquest Live, I experienced it first hand. There were many factors, but that artificial limiting of interaction between people/guilds is the main culprit. In my opinion, this interaction is the premiere magical component of any MMO - The human spirit.

EQ live is still alive, p99 is more niche. Uninstanced content only works if the content outnumbers the players, which was true for the first ~10 years of p99 when the majority of the playerbase was still levelling mains and alts. After that it only works if you do something to meter the content, which p99 did with earthquakes and bag limits.

If there was no content metering whatsoever, aside from double FTE, I'm not sure what even the point of having raid rules would be. Since the sweatiest players would just get the vast majority of every mob, which is exactly what would happen without raid rules and DPS XP deciding the winner.

[Grapeape]

In this particular scenario, 6/7 guilds are pushing for a 50% increase in Draft weeks: from quarterly to every 8 weeks.. No insignificant increase or minor request despite the numbers appearing so going from "4" to "6".

if "4" to "6" sounds insignificant, imagine how going from "48" natural spawns to "46" comes across.

7/7 guild leaders agree that they don't want you raiding with them at least.

[PlsNoBan]

The entire design of the game is competition based. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Brad, Steve, and Bill..along with all of the other dev's from said era.

Didn't read the rest of this trashfire thread but just wanted to point out that lack of sufficient tech/knowledge/foresight at the time of EQ's development to launch with instances does NOT equal intention to create a competitive (lol) pve mmo. EQ was mostly first of its kind. A lot of shit happened just by accident and they had no way to predict how popular it would become and what measures people would go to just to monopolize dragon pixels. I've seen this retarded argument used by the pro EQ neckbeardery crowd several times and it has absolutely no basis in reality. EQ devs (including Brad and several others from the original team) were still working on EQ when instances were first added. They would have added them sooner if the tech at the time could support it. It wasn't intentionally left out cause they thought poopsocking was a cool gameplay feature. You have to be braindead to believe that.

[Ripqozko]

7/7 guild leaders agree that they don't want you raiding with them at least.

[xdrcfrx]

Everyone is allowed their opinion. However, I don't share my opinions to the rest of the server, then force them to conform by decree . That is blatant totalitarianism. I present my opinion, state my reasoning's behind my position, then interact with others /gasp to have a healthy discourse. This concept constitutes a healthy society.

In this particular scenario, 6/7 guilds are pushing for a 50% increase in Draft weeks: from quarterly to every 8 weeks.. No insignificant increase or minor request despite the numbers appearing so going from "4" to "6". What you should have said is "7/7 guilds' Leadership agree" as most members on this server had no clue. We'll unpack that further in a moment.

With the increase in Quakes, many targets have opened up for all of those interested and willing to make it happen. We've never before had x5 guilds in ToV at the same time on Blue and all competing for targets. In essence, the server is already receiving the goal of the draft "to experience new content". You just have to play the game and experience it.

I, and those whom agree with me, are not "forcing" our playstyle upon the rest of server. This is the natural evolution of what would have been if the classic era was time-locked. Yes, cooperation is a necessity. I believe competition is too and the proof is in the pudding here on P99 Blue.

What you guys have been pushing for is what killed Everquest Live, I experienced it first hand. There were many factors, but that artificial limiting of interaction between people/guilds is the main culprit. In my opinion, this interaction is the premiere magical component of any MMO - The human spirit. Possibilities become endless and inconceivable until forced to conceptualize it based upon necessity, whether that is cooperative and/or competitive. No one should ever limit interaction in an MMO and for the life of me, I don't understand why you can't see this or respect this golden rule. This is a hill I'm willing to die on.

Addressing the ridiculously hasty attempt to shove this through to the server:

Leadership from all of Guilds participating in the Draft attempted to steamroll this through in a few short weeks without giving people the opportunity contemplate it, come to a determination, let alone voice their conclusions to their leaders. That's super shady. I imagine most guild members weren't even aware of this unless they happened to stumble into the UN discord to see it occurring. I had to ask Vanquish what was going on since no one really had any idea. I spoke to friends across multiple guilds and asked them if they were aware and they replied that they had no clue. Then, you throw up your hands because you don't get your way, right away, and demand that Menden make a ruling because "September is right around the corner and we were hoping..."

Yes, we are all aware of how quickly you attempted to force more rotations/instancing upon the rest of the server without Members' knowledge and input. Shame on you. So much for "The Community!" There's your irony.

god you're insufferable. you and furoar deserve each other.

[Nexii]

Didn't read the rest of this trashfire thread but just wanted to point out that lack of sufficient tech/knowledge/foresight at the time of EQ's development to launch with instances does NOT equal intention to create a competitive (lol) pve mmo. EQ was mostly first of its kind. A lot of shit happened just by accident and they had no way to predict how popular it would become and what measures people would go to just to monopolize dragon pixels. I've seen this retarded argument used by the pro EQ neckbeardery crowd several times and it has absolutely no basis in reality. EQ devs (including Brad and several others from the original team) were still working on EQ when instances were first added. They would have added them sooner if the tech at the time could support it. It wasn't intentionally left out cause they thought poopsocking was a cool gameplay feature. You have to be braindead to believe that.

The original EQ devs put variance into the game (not on day 1 launch, but later) to combat socking. It's not enough deterrance for a time-locked server like P99.

That being said, GMs also didn't create and police rotations on live either. It was something more akin to rolltation on most servers. You did have to show up with a force, pixels weren't just handed out to guilds for existing.

[Zuranthium]

just wanted to point out that lack of sufficient tech/knowledge/foresight at the time of EQ's development to launch with instances does NOT equal intention to create a competitive (lol) pve mmo. EQ was mostly first of its kind. A lot of shit happened just by accident and they had no way to predict how popular it would become and what measures people would go to just to monopolize dragon pixels. EQ devs (including Brad and several others from the original team) were still working on EQ when instances were first added. They would have added them sooner if the tech at the time could support it.

Instances weren't added until LDoN, the original designers were absolutely not working on the game at that time. Brad was working on Vanguard, which did not have instances. It only had sharding for a single dungeon in the game. EQ did intend to have some form of competition, hence why the "whoever does the most damage gets the exp/loot" was in the game. They could have simply had it as whichever group hits a MOB first automatically gets the reward, it's not like they didn't know about it, Everquest was based on MUD's, which had already tried all kinds of things regarding this issue.

[PlsNoBan]

The original EQ devs put variance into the game (not on day 1 launch, but later) to combat socking. It's not enough deterrance for a time-locked server like P99.

That being said, GMs also didn't create and police rotations on live either. It was something more akin to rolltation on most servers. You did have to show up with a force, pixels weren't just handed out to guilds for existing.

They 100% did police rotations on some servers. Some servers didn't though. I think it came down to the GM's discretion and each server handled it differently. They acknowledged very early on that socking was a problem and not what they wanted to encourage. If P99 style behavior was a thing back in those days I'd bet my life savings they would have stepped in to change it in some fashion. It was a bit more tame back then. The fact that it's been allowed to continue like it has for as long as it has is kind of disgusting honestly.


Instances weren't added until LDoN, the original designers were absolutely not working on the game at that time. Brad was working on Vanguard, which did not have instances. It only had sharding for a single dungeon in the game. EQ did intend to have some form of competition, hence why the "whoever does the most damage gets the exp/loot" was in the game. They could have simply had it as whichever group hits a MOB first automatically gets the reward, it's not like they didn't know about it, Everquest was based on MUD's, which had already tried all kinds of things regarding this issue.

"Sharding" was the best they could do at the time. They openly said instances would have been done sooner had it not been a technical limitation. Regarding most dmg for loot. The options are basically first to tag (FTE) or most dmg (DPS race) and neither option is great but short of instances or GM enforced rotations it's about the best they could do. Given the options I think DPS race mechanic is better than FTE but neither is ideal. At the end of the day one thing is EXTREMELY obvious to me. The kind of behavior exhibited on P99 from it's launch til now is NOT the intention and never has been the intention and to think otherwise is nothing short of delusion. To look at P99 raid scene and go "Ahh yes Brad's vision" is fucking insanity.

[Nexii]

GMs enforced rotations on some servers but I don't think they created them ever. Big difference. The GMs would have done something more akin to P99's idea of a player agreement which is then enforced. Draft week is just another flavor of this.

Most servers did first in force (rolltation) from what I can find as it's the closest in-line with the Play Nice Policy vision.

I doubt any classic servers did DPS or FTE. Possible but unlikely.

Norrath would have been designed very differently if sharding was possible at the time. You wouldn't have raid bosses within leveling zones, which was a lot of the charm of EQ. Possible that they could have made it work though.

[Ennewi]

Everyone is allowed their opinion. However, I don't share my opinions to the rest of the server, then force them to conform by decree . That is blatant totalitarianism.

It could be described as totalitarianism to an extent if staff imposed restrictions across the board and started banning/suspending parts of the community for disagreeing with their decisions. But guild leaders deliberating and eventually unifying to speak on behalf of their members is an example of representative democracy. You and your former guild leaders/speakers are in the minority and have been dating back to before the original, much smaller guild was renamed.

I, and those whom agree with me, are not "forcing" our playstyle upon the rest of server. This is the natural evolution of what would have been if the classic era was time-locked.

In a way, you are forcing your playstyle on the rest of the server because your playstyle directly conflicts with, disputes, or flat out disregards the rules. By breaking those rules and denying responsibility for each offense, you force other PVE guilds to choose between engaging in PVP behavior or losing out altogether because abiding by the rules puts them at a disadvantage (or opting out of endgame altogether).

Also, even without custom content, blue is not a time-locked server. It has evolved over the years, making some non-classic changes out of necessity thanks in large part to those who have a playstyle similar to your own. It's reasonable to expect more changes in the future, or at least consider it as a possibility given the server's history.

I believe competition is too and the proof is in the pudding here on P99 Blue.

Scripting, autofiring, training, file altering, ruleslawyering, killing one conceding two. Blood pudding?

that artificial limiting of interaction between people/guilds is the main culprit.

The PVP server has very few artificial limits, ideal for competitive diehards.

In my opinion, this interaction is the premiere magical component of any MMO - The human spirit.

It also creates opportunities for pretty dehumanizing behavior. Being on call for hours at a time only to be screamed at for one simple mistake doesn't exactly showcase the magic of the human spirit.

No one should ever limit interaction in an MMO and for the life of me, I don't understand why you can't see this or respect this golden rule. This is a hill I'm willing to die on.

PVE limits interaction and it was heavily favored even by beta testers, so much so that those who wanted PVP questioned whether dedicated servers would even be included for it since they were beginning to see features like the PK tagging system. If one of two players doesn't turn in their PK book, /duel, or /guildwar, there is no PVP outside of arenas, none of which have hills to die on. Also, the golden rule might have something to do with why people can't respect limitless interaction as a golden rule.

Leadership from all of Guilds participating in the Draft attempted to steamroll this through in a few short weeks without giving people the opportunity contemplate it, come to a determination, let alone voice their conclusions to their leaders. That's super shady. I imagine most guild members weren't even aware of this unless they happened to stumble into the UN discord to see it occurring.

In what world would guild leaders not jump at the chance to tell their members? Put up a poll and see how long it takes for the majority of players to contemplate this change and vote.

[Jimjam]

Instances weren't added until LDoN, the original designers were absolutely not working on the game at that time. Brad was working on Vanguard, which did not have instances. It only had sharding for a single dungeon in the game. EQ did intend to have some form of competition, hence why the "whoever does the most damage gets the exp/loot" was in the game. They could have simply had it as whichever group hits a MOB first automatically gets the reward, it's not like they didn't know about it, Everquest was based on MUD's, which had already tried all kinds of things regarding this issue.

Plane of TimeB became instances shortly after release.

There were a lot of ‘instance like’ events in PoP too. You could see they were working towards instances for a while.

[Danth]

Plane of TimeB became instances shortly after release.

There were a lot of ‘instance like’ events in PoP too. You could see they were working towards instances for a while.

That works in Nexii's favor because Planes of Power wasn't the original team. Most of the biggest names--McQuaid and his buddies--left in 2001 during Luclin's development. Those events are I believe also related to Verant giving way to Sony Online around the same time. The internal turmoil the studio was going through during that period is probably much of the reason why the Luclin expansion was such a mess.

McQuaid was notoriously hostile to instancing: See Vanguard and Pantheon. I don't recall him being overly obsessed with open-world competition in the P99 sense, though. He posted on various forums a great deal and my recollection is he was mostly focused on community cohesion and simulating a world and he tended to think players were going to behave themselves better than they really do in practice.

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I don't think the above applies all that much to P1999 however. For better or worse P99 has always maintained its own culture distinct from that of the original game.

Danth

[Jimjam]

Every day we stray further from Brad.

[Praxcthius]

Question. How many of you actually played from the start of eq live ? Now how many of you played at least 5 servers? If not you have no clue what went on each server. There were not multiple guilds taking on vox or naggy at the onset of their introduction. There were not multiple guilds engaging fear hate and sky at their inception. There were not multiple guilds doing Kunark dragons Chardonnay king queen vs vp at its release. Insert each new expansion with same results until pop. Most of you talk out of your ass like you are the know all of eq. You are not. At best you were that weekend dnd player who experienced pick up dnd like groups when you played live. Maybe a year 2 or more you started to raid and then you thought you knew it all. You didn’t.

Klazdaxthun

[Praxcthius]

Chardok* not Chardonnay ��

[SantagarBrax]

Now we're having a healthy discussion. I like it :)

Pro Tip: Notice all of those conducting personal attacks...those are the true "toxic" players on this server.

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Compare the subscription numbers to the Expansion timeline releases. After Luclin and PoP launch, subscriptions were trending upward with a first ever decrease in July '03. Just like the real world economy, policies and implementations take some time before the effects are visible and felt.

What happened to cause subscriptions to begin decreasing in July '03 then permanently continue the trend by the fall of '04?

Management mandating an expansion drop in 4 months with Legacy of Ykesha, which was a terrible expansion that brought a few quality of life improvements/spells that we were all going to get later on down the road anyways. It was a pure money grab and we all knew it at the time. Then, LDoN brought the first Instancing to the masses. No longer were gamers required to have any downtime to socialize and get to know one another via interaction (Brad's Vision), and it became a soulless experience going through those missions. LFG Tool was implemented as well. What made it worse was LDoN had some of the best augments so everyone was forced to do it. We were all forced into a non-interactive state and it was a terrible experience. Gates of Discord bombed severely due to it being rushed to Live with broken content, overpowered mobs, and the initial level cap presuming to increase to 70 and instead kept to the level 65 cap. In addition, gamers were burnt out (just as the devs were) on sharding to experience gameplay: VP, ST, Vex Thal, PoP. We needed a break too and realized SOE didn't give a damn about the player base, they just wanted "more more more".

Subscriptions rebounded around June '04. I believe it was in anticipation of Omens of War and to see if the path forward would change for the better, but in the end it was just more of the same. In Feb. '05, Dragons of Norrath launched and it was met with mixed reactions across the board. Lower level and casual guilds couldn't truly participate in the content and top tiered raiding guilds felt it was a continuation of heading down the wrong path, yet again. Cool concept, improper implementation both regarding content and timeline release.

Subscription numbers plummeted from OoW launch date in Sept. '04 - Sept. '05 by over HALF. SOE chose their path, the same path Atarii and many companies that followed chose, quantity over quality. They never recovered from this blunder.

In conclusion.. I've always believed that both the player base and dev's needed a break from continuous new expansions drops. Take a year or two off from beginning to make any expansions and go back to polish the broken/overlooked aspects of classic and all other expansions up through PoP. Keep in mind that the most "hardcore" players only had 1-3 alts and none were really max level nor fit for raiding. My father was a hardcore casual player, with every single class in the game, yet none above lvl 50 by PoP era. There was time to take a breath/break and it either else wasn't recognized or plainly ignored.

[SantagarBrax]

And of course, instancing/rotations.

[Arvan]

What happened to cause subscriptions to begin decreasing in July '03 then permanently continue the trend by the fall of '04?


World of Warcraft released.

Hope this helps.

[Reiwa]

World of Warcraft released.

Hope this helps.

beta but yeah. it was a buzz in the eq community at the time.

[Arvan]

beta but yeah. it was a buzz in the eq community at the time.

2004 was release right?

[Ennewi]

World of Warcraft
Initial release date
November 23, 2004

Everquest II
Initial release date
November 8, 2004

City of Heroes
Initial release date
April 27, 2004

[Grapeape]

Pro Tip: Notice all of those conducting personal attacks...those are the true "toxic" players on this server.



your server is now RnF and your new guild leader is chortles. all of the players here are toxic. hope this helps

[mycoolrausch]

Question. How many of you actually played from the start of eq live ? Now how many of you played at least 5 servers? If not you have no clue what went on each server. There were not multiple guilds taking on vox or naggy at the onset of their introduction. There were not multiple guilds engaging fear hate and sky at their inception. There were not multiple guilds doing Kunark dragons Chardonnay king queen vs vp at its release. Insert each new expansion with same results until pop. Most of you talk out of your ass like you are the know all of eq. You are not. At best you were that weekend dnd player who experienced pick up dnd like groups when you played live. Maybe a year 2 or more you started to raid and then you thought you knew it all. You didn’t.

Klazdaxthun

Yes...there weren't multiple guilds standing on top of each other at every raid...that's why p99 has a conundrum that didn't exist in classic, that it's dealing with using content metering in the forms of single FTEs, quakes, lockouts, and drafts. Which is wise. What wasn't wise was deleting ~15% of velious raid content (sleepers) but maybe a custom content zone could replace it someday. Even just that would lighten the guild bottlenecking on quakes substantially.

[Jimjam]

The very worst lifetime classic Everquest addicts were scattered between many servers. Now they are split between the two p1999s, takp and the prog servers.

Plus it is easier to hit top end when you have more than 2 years to do it and a lifetime of knowledge with a lifestyle that has been groomed entirely to fit around EQ.

Too many addicts, not enough servers.

[Croco]

The very worst lifetime classic Everquest addicts were scattered between many servers. Now they are split between the two p1999s, takp and the prog servers.

Plus it is easier to hit top end when you have more than 2 years to do it and a lifetime of knowledge with a lifestyle that has been groomed entirely to fit around EQ.

Too many addicts, not enough servers.

Too many addicts, not enough oversite to keep them in line. The state of the server is 100% due to mismanagement by staff/csr.

[Ravager]

Too many addicts, not enough oversite to keep them in line. The state of the server is 100% due to mismanagement by staff/csr.

Mismanagement would imply failure of their objectives. Seems like they're managing it exactly as they mean to, whether we like it or not.

[cd288]

Too many addicts, not enough oversite to keep them in line. The state of the server is 100% due to mismanagement by staff/csr.

Plays here for over a decade and tells the volunteer staff that they’re mismanaging things after they spent thousands of hours of their own free time and also money so that he can play a game he’s been addicted to for 23 years

[Croco]

Plays here for over a decade and tells the volunteer staff that they’re mismanaging things after they spent thousands of hours of their own free time and also money so that he can play a game he’s been addicted to for 23 years

Volunteering and doing a shit job doesn't mean you're above reproach. If you can't do it because you lack the knowledge, the will, or the time then maybe step aside. The server could actually be a great place to play but the serial rule breakers and toxic fuckwits are allowed to thrive and given either zero punishment or slaps on the wrist after years of infractions.

There are roughly 25-50 garbage tier toxic neckbeards that hold raiding on blue hostage. They constantly ignore rules, break rules, harass people... etc. They've been caught on video and voice admitting to not caring about said rules or advocating that their guild ignore/break rules and staff does nothing.

I'll say it again: the shit state of the server is entirely due to mismanagement by the box owners and staff/csr.

[PlsNoBan]

Volunteering and doing a shit job doesn't mean you're above reproach. If you can't do it because you lack the knowledge, the will, or the time then maybe step aside. The server could actually be a great place to play but the serial rule breakers and toxic fuckwits are allowed to thrive and given either zero punishment or slaps on the wrist after years of infractions.

There are roughly 25-50 garbage tier toxic neckbeards that hold raiding on blue hostage. They constantly ignore rules, break rules, harass people... etc. They've been caught on video and voice admitting to not caring about said rules or advocating that their guild ignore/break rules and staff does nothing.

I'll say it again: the shit state of the server is entirely due to mismanagement by the box owners and staff/csr.

I honestly believe you're 100% correct. I just don't think anyone in charge really cares too much about this project anymore. It's been on life support for a while. Communication is nearly non existent and issue on top of issue is completely ignored for very extended periods of time.

That said I'm not really blaming them. If I was running this shitshow I think I would've given up on caring about the day to day drama and nonsense a long time ago as well.

[MaCtastic]

The PVP server has very few artificial limits, ideal for competitive diehards.

[YendorLootmonkey]

For the last time, it's not about pixels once you have been raiding for years. Decades even. The true fun of the game is within the competition, countering another guilds' innovated tactics to encounters.

None of these encounters are singularly difficult without competition. They're all in fact rather easy and become boring without the competition. The only difficulties include the human interactive experience.

How can I make this any clearer?

Except this is entirely false, otherwise the neckbeards would be competing the shit out of each other on Red where they have MAXIMUM opportunity to counter their opponent.

Yet oddly they continue to shy away from true competition....

[Ripqozko]

Except this is entirely false, otherwise the neckbeards would be competing the shit out of each other on Red where they have MAXIMUM opportunity to counter their opponent.

Yet oddly they continue to shy away from true competition....

To be fair there’s no pvp on red

[Patrece]

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"No Vulak for you"

[Valakut]

Where is your warder loot? don't you like to compete. sorry you dont got. hope that helps.

competing and lying/stealing/cheating through guild and server politics are not the same thing.

[Arteker]

Except this is entirely false, otherwise the neckbeards would be competing the shit out of each other on Red where they have MAXIMUM opportunity to counter their opponent.

Yet oddly they continue to shy away from true competition....

says the dude wich ringed his hunter on btb

[Ravager]

says the dude wich ringed his hunter on btb

He never advocated for competition either, so what's your point?

[Ghost of Starman]

I honestly believe you're 100% correct. I just don't think anyone in charge really cares too much about this project anymore. It's been on life support for a while. Communication is nearly non existent and issue on top of issue is completely ignored for very extended periods of time.

That said I'm not really blaming them. If I was running this shitshow I think I would've given up on caring about the day to day drama and nonsense a long time ago as well.

There are only two possibilities for the current sorry state of P99:

1) The powers that be stopped caring, let the volunteers handle things, and just do the bare minimum to keep the lights on out of a sense of obligation or to avoid the inevitable loss of life from the few dozen people with literally no life / hope outside of P99.

2) The powers that be are actively involved in the toxicity, either as secret members of the toxic guilds who are enjoying / encouraging it, or are enjoying a kickback / donation graft to look the other way.

Whatever the reason, I stopped playing long ago and check on the forums every few weeks out of a sense of morbid curiosity and to see if any major changes occur.

[Arteker]

He never advocated for competition either, so what's your point?

He used to QQ about competition back in bda and claimin to be a pvp god. then got caught ringin his toon on best of the best not much else.

[whathappenedhere]

He's a toddler in a sandbox who cries/gets angry when someone asks him to share his toys. That really is the very best analogy.

Isn't it more like there's been a sandbox operating for 20+ years without welfare toys.
Recently, a couple people want to makes sure there are welfare toys in this sandbox for the poor kids even though there are sandboxes everywhere else that have plenty of welfare toys. These people want to go to the last sandbox without welfare toys and decide "hey this place should have welfare toys like every other sandbox!!"

Maybe I'm wrong, but that is kinda what it looks like.

[Croco]

Isn't it more like there's been a sandbox operating for 20+ years without welfare toys.
Recently, a couple people want to makes sure there are welfare toys in this sandbox for the poor kids even though there are sandboxes everywhere else that have plenty of welfare toys. These people want to go to the last sandbox without welfare toys and decide "hey this place should have welfare toys like every other sandbox!!"

Maybe I'm wrong, but that is kinda what it looks like.

It's definitely super important to gatekeep as much of the loot on a fake everquest server as you possibly can. That's a very normal and healthy thing that non-psychopaths do.

[whathappenedhere]

It's definitely super important to gatekeep as much of the loot on a fake everquest server as you possibly can. That's a very normal and healthy thing that non-psychopaths do.

What gatekeeping? There are plenty of toys in the sandbox (mountains of toys after all these years even). There is no one stopping you from going out and getting all the toys you want. This is the way it has always been. That's uninstanced Everquest. Unless you are talking about that weirdo that says "warder loot" every post. For the past 5 years, its mainly just been Riot coordinating the zerg and doing the work to get the toys, and more recently Vanquish.

Instead of going and getting the toys just like Riot did for the past few years, you all want to change the rules for the only remaining unique sandbox so that the welfare toys can be given to you just like every other sandbox! Green2.0 might be a good idea if you guys are so bored on Blue you want to constantly change the rules.

It used to be the case that guilds would rise and fall, but now with all these changes of rooted dragons, bag limits, rotations, drafts, rolling for KT, etc. Everything has stagnated because there is enough of a pixel IV drip to keep any guild alive indefinitely, just soak the tracking roles and dump DKP when the welfare pixels come around! Over time, let's keep asking for more welfare pixels too!

Maybe I'm just and old man that is resistant to change or maybe you guys are trying to destroy the last reaming scraps of an attempt at a classic Everquest server. /shrug

[Allishia]

What gatekeeping? There are plenty of toys in the sandbox (mountains of toys after all these years even). There is no one stopping you from going out and getting all the toys you want. This is the way it has always been. That's uninstanced Everquest. Unless you are talking about that weirdo that says "warder loot" every post. For the past 5 years, its mainly just been Riot coordinating the zerg and doing the work to get the toys, and more recently Vanquish.

Instead of going and getting the toys just like Riot did for the past few years, you all want to change the rules for the only remaining unique sandbox so that the welfare toys can be given to you just like every other sandbox! Green2.0 might be a good idea if you guys are so bored on Blue you want to constantly change the rules.

It used to be the case that guilds would rise and fall, but now with all these changes of rooted dragons, bag limits, rotations, drafts, rolling for KT, etc. Everything has stagnated because there is enough of a pixel IV drip to keep any guild alive indefinitely, just soak the tracking roles and dump DKP when the welfare pixels come around! Over time, let's keep asking for more welfare pixels too!

Maybe I'm just and old man that is resistant to change or maybe you guys are trying to destroy the last reaming scraps of an attempt at a classic Everquest server. /shrug

Ya I really don't understand it, they could compete on targets and have a blast. Way more fun engaging the mob instantly with questionable numbers and pulling off a win...then just sitting in line waiting for hand outs..

[Ripqozko]

Ya I really don't understand it, they could compete on targets and have a blast. Way more fun engaging the mob instantly with questionable numbers and pulling off a win...then just sitting in line waiting for hand outs..

The fact you equate pixels in a video game to handouts is sad. None of y’all are competing when it mattered, the game is long done now and you weren’t there. Consider competing when the server is fresh on yellow (you won’t). This isn’t competition we are in year 7 of farming content.

[Allishia]

The fact you equate pixels in a video game to handouts is sad. None of y’all are competing when it mattered, the game is long done now and you weren’t there. Consider competing when the server is fresh on yellow (you won’t). This isn’t competition we are in year 7 of farming content.

So in your mind, because you are done raiding, nothing else is competitive? Gtfo with that kind of thinking lol.

I like the rush of racing for the target.. sometimes you win, sometimes you wipe and other team picks it up...there is nothing else like it. I mean look at even velketor, he drops crap loot but is now one of the most fun engages lol. No game has that heart racing feeling, it's all instance crap besides here, why are y'all trying so hard to ruin it.

Do you really just want to have unlimited time to set up and kill targets? That's friggin boring lol. No heart racing or anything, just ok we slowed it and won yay...game would die and get old so fast.

It's not about pixals but it is clearly obvious that's what the people wanting handouts are after.

Myself and many others in competitive guilds are after the rush and the fun of trying to engage the target as quick as possible and not even fully ready / yolo it and sometimes you pull it off...that's the real fun:)

[Ripqozko]

So in your mind, because you are done raiding, nothing else is competitive? Gtfo with that kind of thinking lol.

I like the rush of racing for the target.. sometimes you win, sometimes you wipe and other team picks it up...there is nothing else like it. I mean look at even velketor, he drops crap loot but is now one of the most fun engages lol. No game has that heart racing feeling, it's all instance crap besides here, why are y'all trying so hard to ruin it.

Do you really just want to have unlimited time to set up and kill targets? That's friggin boring lol. No heart racing or anything, just ok we slowed it and won yay...game would die and get old so fast.

It's not about pixals but it is clearly obvious that's what the people wanting handouts are after.

Myself and many others in competitive guilds are after the rush and the fun of trying to engage the target as quick as possible and not even fully ready / yolo it and sometimes you pull it off...that's the real fun:)

Not in my mind, the server is done tho, the timeline done, the sleeper is woke, the content is beat. You are in the farming stage of content after the progression is done. This is normal for all mmo after the first wave. Sorry you weren’t there.

[Allishia]

Not in my mind, the server is done tho, the timeline done, the sleeper is woke, the content is beat. You are in the farming stage of content after the progression is done. This is normal for all mmo after the first wave. Sorry you weren’t there.

I'm going to hurt you Mr! Lol

I was there just not in rampage thank you! I was coth ducking for fayeder rofl :)

I wasn't crying demanding the tov dragons be shared cause my guild sucked lol

[Ripqozko]

I'm going to hurt you Mr! Lol

I was there just not in rampage thank you! I was coth ducking for fayeder rofl :)

I wasn't crying demanding the tov dragons be shared cause my guild sucked lol

Sorry bda sucked, imagine your guild leader getting suspended day one of velious for training KT. That’s a yikes from me. Let’s not act like BDA didn’t whine for mobs, holy balls class R was bullied by them and taken.

[Allishia]

Sorry bda sucked, imagine your guild leader getting suspended day one of velious for training KT. That’s a yikes from me. Let’s not act like BDA didn’t whine for mobs, holy balls class R was bullied by them and taken.

Lol ok can you stop trolling and at least admit instant engages are more fun?

Sending in bumps to hold it, burning wort potions to stay alive, kiters training away adds etc...come on why wouldn't you wanna do that?

[Ripqozko]

Lol ok can you stop trolling and at least admit instant engages are more fun?

Sending in bumps to hold it, burning wort potions to stay alive, kiters training away adds etc...come on why wouldn't you wanna do that?

I agree it's fun to instant engage, it's nothing new tho. That's more my point. We instant engaged this whole ass time. We are in farm section of the game tho, there's nothing wrong with that. I think the constant use of the word competition is the issue. You are farming. You may make it a competition of the farming. You are still farming tho.

[Allishia]

I agree it's fun to instant engage, it's nothing new tho. That's more my point. We instant engaged this whole ass time. We are in farm section of the game tho, there's nothing wrong with that. I think the constant use of the word competition is the issue. You are farming. You may make it a competition of the farming. You are still farming tho.

Ok fine, I love competitive farming then, are you happy now Mr? :p

[Ripqozko]

Ok fine, I love competitive farming then, are you happy now Mr? :p

Sure but your type of fun doesn’t mean you should gatekeep others. Some folks don’t need the instant engages to get their rocks off. Just because they want to play that way isn’t stopping you from doing you. If you lost 6 weeks a year and this somehow tormented you, consider logging off. Hope that helps.

[Allishia]

Sure but your type of fun doesn’t mean you should gatekeep others. Some folks don’t need the instant engages to get their rocks off. Just because they want to play that way isn’t stopping you from doing you. If you lost 6 weeks a year and this somehow tormented you, consider logging off. Hope that helps.

Ya but every single other server is already that play style...why don't they just go to servers where they already do rotations instead of trying to ruin the last free for all server left?

No one is gate keeping, they could go after the mob too...they are the ones trying to gatekeep and saying we aren't allowed to instant engage because they can't do it...tlp and takp are perfect for that player base.. everyone gets a trophy on those servers /nod.

6 weeks now, how long till it's 8, then 10. How many splinter guilds are going to show up for a spot in the draft? It's going to end up like the class rotation with a billion alt guilds standing in line waiting for their hand out.

[Ripqozko]

Ya but every single other server is already that play style...why don't they just go to servers where they already do rotations instead of trying to ruin the last free for all server left?

No one is gate keeping, they could go after the mob too...they are the ones trying to gatekeep and saying we aren't allowed to instant engage because they can't do it...tlp and takp are perfect for that player base.. everyone gets a trophy on those servers /nod.

6 weeks now, how long till it's 8, then 10. How many splinter guilds are going to show up for a spot in the draft? It's going to end up like the class rotation with a billion alt guilds standing in line waiting for their hand out.

Imagine taking part in class R for years then whining it might goto class R, you had a chance to leave and goto class C and you chose not too.

[Ennewi]

There is no one stopping you from going out and getting all the toys you want.

Players who autofire, file alter, and script. Doing so delegitimizes loot that might be obtained otherwise. It also undercuts what motivation rule-abiding players might have in a competitive environment. Also, training has been pretty effective at stopping players from getting the toys they want.

you all want to change the rules for the only remaining unique sandbox so that the welfare toys can be given to you just like every other sandbox!

Establish that little to no cheating is taking place and that those who disregard the rules/deny culpability are appropriately punished in a timely manner so that 46+ content is an equal playing field, otherwise all claims of welfare are meaningless.

maybe you guys are trying to destroy the last reaming scraps of an attempt at a classic Everquest server. /shrug

The same argument could be made against those already mentioned, players who have made raiding a farce, all in the name of competition, thanks to their willingness to make use of every advantage out there, rules be damned.

Speaking generally, competition does feel better overall compared to roll/rotations, because having to compete imbues all of the sought-after items with memorable stories. So when the player is standing staring at a wall looking over their inventory, it isn't just a sheet of stats but a more personal collage of encounters. That said, when the competitive memories connected to those items are all terrible and make any sane person question why they even log on, roll/rotations are without question superior.

[Ripqozko]

Ya but every single other server is already that play style...why don't they just go to servers where they already do rotations instead of trying to ruin the last free for all server left?

No one is gate keeping, they could go after the mob too...they are the ones trying to gatekeep and saying we aren't allowed to instant engage because they can't do it...tlp and takp are perfect for that player base.. everyone gets a trophy on those servers /nod.

6 weeks now, how long till it's 8, then 10. How many splinter guilds are going to show up for a spot in the draft? It's going to end up like the class rotation with a billion alt guilds standing in line waiting for their hand out.

Telling people to goto another server If they don’t like it, do ya tell people to goto their country if they don’t like it too? Relax toxigen

[Ennewi]

Also, it isn't exactly competitive if total wipes are averted thanks to alt armies. Have more self-imposed restrictions and remove that safety net for greater risk versus reward.

[Patrece]

Is the classic experience having 40 some bots on accounts that dont cost 15$ a month? Or being able to make every single one of your chars on a separate account for free to be shared amongst your cohorts?

Signed,
one of the people benefitting from winning because of it

[Chortles Snortles]

got em

[Allishia]

Imagine taking part in class R for years then whining it might goto class R, you had a chance to leave and goto class C and you chose not too.

Lol I was a newb then and didn't understand. My casual guild preached how the neck beards were so bad and no lifers etc. I believed them. I even got yelled at for rezing a tmo person.

Don't fall for that casual lie :rolleyes:

If you want to raid, join a raid guild and have a fair shot, zero chance in those casual dkp stacked officer guilds, you might get a scrap here or there but you can bet your butt the good stuff is going to officer/leader :p

[Ripqozko]

Koolaid drinking , how the mighty have fallen, keep doing you tho and telling people to go back to their own servers toxigen.

[Allishia]

Koolaid drinking , how the mighty have fallen, keep doing you tho and telling people to go back to their own servers toxigen.

Rofl why do you keep calling me toxigen! I'm allowed to have my own opinions.

I didn't tell people to leave, I just said if people want rotations and soup kitchen line style raiding, there are plenty of servers already like that.

Otherwise join a real raid guild and win instead of defending lazy casual guild raid leaders who don't want to raid lead but absorb loot through draft systems.

[Ripqozko]

Rofl why do you keep calling me toxigen! I'm allowed to have my own opinions.

I didn't tell people to leave, I just said if people want rotations and soup kitchen line style raiding, there are plenty of servers already like that.

Otherwise join a real raid guild and win instead of defending lazy casual guild raid leaders who don't want to raid lead but absorb loot through draft systems.

All good toxigen

[Allishia]

All good toxigen

Grrrr I'm so gonna find you in game and hurt you Mr :p

[Fammaden]

Allishya is Toxigen? Wow!

[Toxigen]

confirmed

[Chortles Snortles]

koolaid enjoyer

[whathappenedhere]

Yeah Ennewi, I get your point about cheating and that sucks. I'm more keen to remove the cheaters rather than change the rules.

In my mind, staff should just purge the cheaters indefinitely. Unfortunately, staff has been MIA for a bit (looks like this might be changing with new promotions though, fingers crossed!).

But haven't most of the cheating issues been resolved? Hasn't Stunningly basically been forced off the server? Maybe there are others I'm not aware of, but I agree cheaters should be named, shamed, and removed permanently. Any guild that routinely houses cheaters should be dismantled by the GMs.

Also, lol at the nicest elf on the server being compared to Toxigen. Ayiyi

[eisley]

I think he will roll an alt and rejoin vanquish and hide like Eisley did

Eh, I doubt it. The difference is, Vanquish had no clue why they disliked me, they were just influenced by a small group with a bizarre obsession with me.

With them off my back, I was able to play for months with no incident whatsoever, as I don't normally attract this sort of vitriol like some others do.

Can we really see UCF doing that successfully?

[whathappenedhere]

Speaking generally, competition does feel better overall compared to roll/rotations, because having to compete imbues all of the sought-after items with memorable stories. So when the player is standing staring at a wall looking over their inventory, it isn't just a sheet of stats but a more personal collage of encounters. That said, when the competitive memories connected to those items are all terrible and make any sane person question why they even log on, roll/rotations are without question superior.

I love your description of a collage of memories, that's really what it is. If you feel your collage of memories are all terrible, maybe another server is more suited for you. I know a lot of people here cherish their collages, regardless of if their memories are with Riot, Vanquish, TMO, Awakened, Aftermath, etc. I think those collages are valuable because they weren't just given to them on a quarterly basis. I'm convinced they wouldn't care if it was just given to them after waiting in line long enough for the pixel train to choo-choo through.

Again though, I completely agree about cheating (accidently forgot to quote on the previous post). I also think there is probably one or two guilds/groups that should probably be dismantled/purged because of this, but that is a GM issue and above our pay grade.

[YendorLootmonkey]

He used to QQ about competition back in bda and claimin to be a pvp god. then got caught ringin his toon on best of the best not much else.

Please show me where I ever claimed to be a "PVP god"? Spoiler alert: You can't, because I never did. Never played on a PVP server. I don't PVP. I don't even like PVP. The closest I've ever come to PVP is accidentally riposting someone while they were trying to hammer off me. Quit making shit up.

If you haven't figured out for the last 20+ years on Live, Blue, and Green... I roleplay The Shoveler. That's how I enjoy the game. Roleplaying the most incompetent superhero ever with a 4/27 weapon, helping out newbies in Crushbone or wherever. I never claimed to be anything else. When I decided to join the BOTB, I joined it as a funny opportunity to roleplay a pacifist trying to convince my fellow rangers that we were all turned against each other by Innoruuk and we should lay down our weapons. While I got my ass beat. I sent a /tell to my opponent to play along, but he just wailed on me while I was doing my roleplay thing. No biggie, made it even more hilarious!

If you don't see the humor in that, I don't know what to tell you. I thought it was amusing. :)

Regarding "competition" and QQing about it back in BDA: Everquest Blue and Green are PVE. Player vs. Environment. The players here have made it about "competing" against other players somehow like it's an Olympic sport, pounding their chests over their prowess at outmaneuvering their opponents, creating zerg forces, monopolizing raid targets, entire raid zones, or wtfever... which is laughable because the real competition would be PVP over on Red. My point is that they shy away from actual competition in an environment which they would have additional opportunity to outplay their opponents. So the point stands that they don't want actual competition.

We QQ because a subset of players have decided for the rest of us how the game should be played, and what the barrier of entry should be... and then tell us to go play a TLP if we don't like it. Are these players donating more so their voice counts more? What's giving this meritocracy the power to dictate to the rest of us what the raid scene has to be like? Why does everyone scream at me when I suggest the next server could be a casual-friendly rotation server, while those who want to compete can continue to do so on existing servers. Or, maybe it makes more sense to start rotating content on Blue or Green and the new server can be a fresh competitive server to make everyone happy.

[Praxcthius]

Allishya it’s futile to argue with idiots. Onlookers can’t tell who’s the fool. Insert observational comment here : if you were able to time travel and brought an airplane to let’s say 1400 a.d. the science at the time would have little to explain it’s ability to work. Some smart people might be able to extrapolate the how it works but not be able to replicate it with their current technology level. Fast forward to p99 2022. “ bunch of cheaters scripting mofos. Ban then ban them “ (accused cheaters “ all we did was practice running and seeing the shortest route to go man those casuals must be living in the dark ages. Probably flat earthers”

Klazdaxthun

[xdrcfrx]

If you want to raid, join a raid guild and have a fair shot, zero chance in those casual dkp stacked officer guilds, you might get a scrap here or there but you can bet your butt the good stuff is going to officer/leader :p

in kittens only 1 of the top 20 DKP holders is an officer right now.

[whathappenedhere]

Why does everyone scream at me when I suggest the next server could be a casual-friendly rotation server, while those who want to compete can continue to do so on existing servers. Or, maybe it makes more sense to start rotating content on Blue or Green and the new server can be a fresh competitive server to make everyone happy.

That's an interesting idea. Have Green merge to Blue and let Blue be the FFA server. Green 2.0 can be fully rotated server and people can decide on the playstyle/server they prefer. I don't see why this is problematic, but I'm sure I'm missing something.

[Allishia]

in kittens only 1 of the top 20 DKP holders is an officer right now.

Well the draft has been on for a while now so I'm sure they spent all that stacked hot dkp already lol :p

I am just picking, I wasn't calling out any specific guild, just that if you want to raid, simply join a guild that has that as their main focus. Don't join a family guild and expect top tier content to just magically appear...

[Ripqozko]

When klaz comes to white knight for you, you have fallen. Rip Alli aka toxigen.

[Allishia]

When klaz comes to white knight for you, you have fallen. Rip Alli aka toxigen.

Rofl just you wait Mr, it's almost 5 and I'll be off work soon and I'm going to get you some how! :p

[Croco]

...I'm sure they spent all that stacked hot dkp already lol :p ...

And this is why you're not some sweet angel of the server. You're just as much of a piece of shit as all the other outwardly toxic assholes. Because you agree with them and think like they do you just do your best to hide it.

Punching down on kittens why? Because you think you're better than they are? Because you can no-life sock dragons for 8, 12, 16 hours at a time? But lets be real you rely on others in your guild to do the real socking.

Being a no life piece of shit does not make you better than anyone else. Keep inhaling all that copium that allows you to sleep at night. You're just another garbage person from a guild filled with garbage people.

[Allishia]

And this is why you're not some sweet angel of the server. You're just as much of a piece of shit as all the other outwardly toxic assholes. Because you agree with them and think like they do you just do your best to hide it.

Punching down on kittens why? Because you think you're better than they are? Because you can no-life sock dragons for 8, 12, 16 hours at a time? But lets be real you rely on others in your guild to do the real socking.

Being a no life piece of shit does not make you better than anyone else. Keep inhaling all that copium that allows you to sleep at night. You're just another garbage person from a guild filled with garbage people.

Wow you really need to go outside or something if you are this upset. I said I was picking and not calling out any guilds. Nice way to crop the quote though lol.

I think if you want to raid, join a raid guild and compete? I wouldn't join a family leveling guild and expect to see raid content.

But call me what you want if it makes you feel better.

[whathappenedhere]

And this is why you're not some sweet angel of the server. You're just as much of a piece of shit as all the other outwardly toxic assholes. Because you agree with them and think like they do you just do your best to hide it.

Punching down on kittens why? Because you think you're better than they are? Because you can no-life sock dragons for 8, 12, 16 hours at a time? But lets be real you rely on others in your guild to do the real socking.

Being a no life piece of shit does not make you better than anyone else. Keep inhaling all that copium that allows you to sleep at night. You're just another garbage person from a guild filled with garbage people.

LOL!!! You heard it here first folks, Alli is just as bad as Furoar/Detoxx for the server! Except when she was in Riot and we all loved her hahahhaha

If you disagree with me, you are a toxic asshole and you should hate yourself!

I realize you have probably never raided on the server or have barely raided on the server, but almost nobody socks like that? There is maybe like 10 unemployed degenerate people on the whole server who do? Typically a Riot member will cover and hour or two and then pass it to the next member, I assume the same for Vanquish. It doesn't require a 12 hour sock fest to get pixels... lol. It's actually better to keep fresh eyes on it...

I'm sure you're well experienced in the raiding scene and should be deciding the future of the raiding scene for the entire server. I don't recall Kittens pushing for drafts when this was Riot's server, but now that they can get people on board because Detoxx and Furoar are an enemy everyone can band against, they want to use their pull to change the entire server.

[Croco]

Wow you really need to go outside or something if you are this upset. I said I was picking and not calling out any guilds. Nice way to crop the quote though lol.

I think if you want to raid, join a raid guild and compete? I wouldn't join a family leveling guild and expect to see raid content.

But call me what you want if it makes you feel better.

Uhh yes, that's how quotes work. You literally called out kittens and made a joke about "all that stacked hot dkp". That's you being a toxic piece of shit. You can sugar coat it all you want with emojis but that's literally what it is. Just because you have the ability to no life and get carried by people in your guild that no life even harder than you to sock raid targets does not mean you inherently deserve to experience certain content and kill certain bosses or mobs and others don't.

This is 2022 all this shit has been done a billion times over and you're still out here trying to gate keep who should be able to kill dragons. Because of some perceived lack of effort/time on their part. You don't get to decide what raiding is and how it's defined. On every server (3) I played on during velious through prophecy of ro era's of the game there was ZERO guild vs guild competition. "Raiding" was getting your own guild together at a scheduled time and going out and killing dragons, giants, worms, and snake people... etc etc.

You have this toxic mindset that unless people are able to do exactly what you and the other no lifers do that they don't deserve to experience the game. Well that's a piece of shit take, and one of the big reasons p99 is trash and has been for a while. The powers that be allow about 25-50 people to define for the entire rest of the player base what it means to play on the project and dictate the rules of engagement.

Until that changes toxic assholes such as yourself will continue to dictate terms and spout toxic bullshit and terrible takes like they're proselytizing to the poor huddled masses about the glory of "competition".

I see through the fake saccharine mask you present to the server as real.

[Croco]

LOL!!! You heard it here first folks, Alli is just as bad as Furoar/Detoxx for the server! Except when she was in Riot and we all loved her hahahhaha

If you disagree with me, you are a toxic asshole and you should hate yourself!

I realize you have probably never raided on the server or have barely raided on the server, but almost nobody socks like that? There is maybe like 10 unemployed degenerate people on the whole server who do? Typically a Riot member will cover and hour or two and then pass it to the next member, I assume the same for Vanquish. It doesn't require a 12 hour sock fest to get pixels... lol. It's actually better to keep fresh eyes on it...

I'm sure you're well experienced in the raiding scene and should be deciding the future of the raiding scene for the entire server. I don't recall Kittens pushing for drafts when this was Riot's server, but now that they can get people on board because Detoxx and Furoar are an enemy everyone can band against, they want to use their pull to change the entire server.

I have raided on the server a ton and not everyone in riot liked Alli. Some people weren't fooled by her fake "look at me I'm the sweet darling of the server" routine.

Kittens likely didn't think about something like the draft when riot was ruling the server because riot actively left bosses up for other guilds to kill and was generally very accommodating to other guilds and letting them experience content. The same can't be said of VQ.

[whathappenedhere]

You don't get to decide what raiding is and how it's defined. On every server (3) I played on during velious through prophecy of ro era's of the game there was ZERO guild vs guild competition. "Raiding" was getting your own guild together at a scheduled time and going out and killing dragons, giants, worms, and snake people... etc etc.

You have this toxic mindset that unless people are able to do exactly what you and the other no lifers do that they don't deserve to experience the game. Well that's a piece of shit take, and one of the big reasons p99 is trash and has been for a while. The powers that be allow about 25-50 people to define for the entire rest of the player base what it means to play on the project and dictate the rules of engagement.

Until that changes toxic assholes such as yourself will continue to dictate terms and spout toxic bullshit and terrible takes like they're proselytizing to the poor huddled masses about the glory of "competition".

I see through the fake saccharine mask you present to the server as real.

Okay, so in your opinion, P99 is trash, has been for a while, and you hate the raid scene here, and you want to have a scheduled/rotated raid scene.

Well, if you think P99 has been trash for a long time and you hate it here, why not go to any of the multitude of servers that is run exactly how you want? Why not join a server with rotations / instances? Why try to change the only server that is unique?

You make it seem like one guy has to poopsock for 29 hours straight to get a dragon. Kittens is probably the largest guild, why not just share the responsibility? Everyone can take an hour. I know plenty of Kittens players who will hold a camp for several hours (looking at you Duegan/Healze in Crypt <3). Why can't these Kittens members cover a tracking role for an hour at a time and rotate it? It seems more like your guild wants nothing to do with the raid scene here, and instead of A) finding a box that fits their playstyle or B) adapting to the FFA raid scene here, they would rather change the entire system... lol.

And judging by your last post, you just have a hate boner for VQ because they don't leave up free dragons for your welfare pixels, which I understand. Recently, Riot has been kicking their asses though, if we kill Velk for the billionth time its suddenly okay? But when Detoxx's band of dirtbags does it, we need to change the whole server?

[Allishia]

Uhh yes, that's how quotes work. You literally called out kittens and made a joke about "all that stacked hot dkp". That's you being a toxic piece of shit. You can sugar coat it all you want with emojis but that's literally what it is. Just because you have the ability to no life and get carried by people in your guild that no life even harder than you to sock raid targets does not mean you inherently deserve to experience certain content and kill certain bosses or mobs and others don't.

This is 2022 all this shit has been done a billion times over and you're still out here trying to gate keep who should be able to kill dragons. Because of some perceived lack of effort/time on their part. You don't get to decide what raiding is and how it's defined. On every server (3) I played on during velious through prophecy of ro era's of the game there was ZERO guild vs guild competition. "Raiding" was getting your own guild together at a scheduled time and going out and killing dragons, giants, worms, and snake people... etc etc.

You have this toxic mindset that unless people are able to do exactly what you and the other no lifers do that they don't deserve to experience the game. Well that's a piece of shit take, and one of the big reasons p99 is trash and has been for a while. The powers that be allow about 25-50 people to define for the entire rest of the player base what it means to play on the project and dictate the rules of engagement.

Until that changes toxic assholes such as yourself will continue to dictate terms and spout toxic bullshit and terrible takes like they're proselytizing to the poor huddled masses about the glory of "competition".

I see through the fake saccharine mask you present to the server as real.

Yup, I'm a toxic pos for making a joke in rnf forum and thinking people should actually raid to get raid mobs? /nod :)

Anyway happy Friday, hope you calm down over there!

[Nexii]

LOL!!! You heard it here first folks, Alli is just as bad as Furoar/Detoxx for the server! Except when she was in Riot and we all loved her hahahhaha

If you disagree with me, you are a toxic asshole and you should hate yourself!

I realize you have probably never raided on the server or have barely raided on the server, but almost nobody socks like that? There is maybe like 10 unemployed degenerate people on the whole server who do? Typically a Riot member will cover and hour or two and then pass it to the next member, I assume the same for Vanquish. It doesn't require a 12 hour sock fest to get pixels... lol. It's actually better to keep fresh eyes on it...

I'm sure you're well experienced in the raiding scene and should be deciding the future of the raiding scene for the entire server. I don't recall Kittens pushing for drafts when this was Riot's server, but now that they can get people on board because Detoxx and Furoar are an enemy everyone can band against, they want to use their pull to change the entire server.

I have raided on the server a ton and not everyone in riot liked Alli. Some people weren't fooled by her fake "look at me I'm the sweet darling of the server" routine.

Kittens likely didn't think about something like the draft when riot was ruling the server because riot actively left bosses up for other guilds to kill and was generally very accommodating to other guilds and letting them experience content. The same can't be said of VQ.

It's not pretty when the mask slips. Would have been smarter to keep the mask up. VQ is on the way out.

[Allishia]

It's not pretty when the mask slips. Would have been smarter to keep the mask up. VQ is on the way out.

Is that some kinda threat? I've only ever been nice to you Nexii, duno why you hate me so much now.

[whathappenedhere]

It's not pretty when the mask slips. Would have been smarter to keep the mask up. VQ is on the way out.

What are you thoughts on things like the draft/bag limits/rotations now that VQ is on the way out? Just curious.

[Nexii]

What are you thoughts on things like the draft/bag limits/rotations now that VQ is on the way out? Just curious.

Probably a middle ground like rolltation. End racing, end drafts, and end bag limits.