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Swish
06-22-2011, 07:11 PM
Most classes you sort of have an idea where you'll go with it. Enchanters seem to have a lot of spells in alteration, yet mez is conjuration, stun is divination.... etc etc.
Any advice on where to go with it? No skills over 50 yet, thankfully :)
baalzy
06-22-2011, 07:18 PM
Mezzes are what you're going to be throwing out the most in do-or-die situations. Stuns are typically for AOE parties, where you'll die if you screw up anyways.
I'd suggest conjuration if thats what your mezzes use.
Slave
06-22-2011, 08:12 PM
Enchanters have probably the most difficult choice in specialization. Alteration is where you'll be using a ton of mana, but conjuration is the most used in combat. But will you have enough mana to use it after all your alteration? lol
Swish
06-22-2011, 08:27 PM
Enchanters have probably the most difficult choice in specialization. Alteration is where you'll be using a ton of mana, but conjuration is the most used in combat. But will you have enough mana to use it after all your alteration? lol
Yep its quite the dilemma... no doubt mez (conjuration) is the most important of spells, but when hastes/clarity/a lot of other stuff is on alteration it has its appeal. Really split on it...Baalzy gives good advice I know, but I'd like some more opinions/experiences from other enchanters before launching myself down one road or the other :)
Slave
06-22-2011, 08:32 PM
I think of it like this... between Clarity and Haste, you improve the efficiency and power of each person in the group by 50%. And it's the majority of your mana expenditure. Charm is also alteration for the particularly daredevil enchanters pushing the class to its limit.
Galanteer
06-22-2011, 11:41 PM
My previous enchanters have gone conjuration. While alteration may improve efficiency, conjuration more often will save you in very sticky situations. This is true for alteration if you want to be a charmer as Slave mentioned. (and you should try charm, it's fun).
As was said, divination only if your main goal is to be an ae group master or find yourself in odd groups where you need to stun lock all the time (like your only going to duo with a rogue....). Slight argument for abjuration, if you want to impress people as a rune tanker, or if you want to solo a lot and not have so much down time due to hp loss.....
Werlop
06-23-2011, 01:56 AM
The argument for conjuration vs. alteration is essentially whether it is better to save more mana over time (alteration) by reducing the cost of most spells, or to save mana in do-or-die situations where you are casting mez (conjuration).
I very rarely go from fm to oom casting nothing but mezzes. In a group, having that many mobs in camp means that your group is probably doomed anyway and the best that you can do is hope for an evac if you brought a porter. Generally, if there are enough mobs in camp that you have to lock them down long enough to run out of mana from full mana, you or your group will wipe before you can mez them all (assuming your mana pool doesn't just suck). On the other hand, I can recall several times where I was somewhat low on mana (30-40%) after rebuffing and then went lom or oom trying to crowd control shortly after.
An enchanter who specs alteration will save more mana over the course of a group/raid and will have more available to mez when shit hits the fan if they aren't normally fm. If they are, your spec won't matter much for the above reasons. Basically, situations where speccing alteration would save a group are much more common than those where speccing conjuration would. I'm sure some bro has a cool story about the time where they mezzed an entire train for 4 minutes or something and only pulled it off because they specced conjuration, but that's the exception, not the rule.
Zuranthium
06-23-2011, 02:54 AM
Indeed, Alteration is the way to go. No only does it help your buffs, debuffs, and charms, it also helps your Root and Memory Blur, which you need to cast frequently to not draw aggro from Mezzing.
Jepaxis
06-23-2011, 04:07 AM
Alteration 100%
Keldonis
06-23-2011, 07:34 AM
My live Enchanter was Conjuration, and my P99 Enchanter is Alteration. Alteration seems to be much more useful for me, atleast.
Nedala
06-23-2011, 10:01 AM
Alteration without a doubt imo. You wont have enough mana to mezz a lot when you spent everything buffing. Also charm. All the high mana cost spells are alteration.
Extunarian
06-23-2011, 10:09 AM
I'll echo what most others are saying: alteration, hands down.
Dr4z3r
06-23-2011, 10:09 AM
Theft of Thought is Alteration.
Messianic
06-23-2011, 10:16 AM
The question is what does specialization actually do? It reduces the mana cost and reduces fizzle rates (as far as I know, open to correction). Because of this, it's entirely a numeric decision.
What type of spells do you spend the most mana on over the course of grouping, raiding, or whatever it is you plan to do most when you play? Whatever that is, that's what you should specialize in.
snwbrdr642
06-23-2011, 10:45 AM
I very rarely go from fm to oom casting nothing but mezzes. In a group, having that many mobs in camp means that your group is probably doomed anyway and the best that you can do is hope for an evac if you brought a porter.
alteration.
ImBcmDth
06-23-2011, 05:35 PM
Conjuration. Conjuration. Conjuration.
Without a doubt it has saved me and my group.
With the right cleric and a group with a secondary tank that knows how and when to steal aggro, I have gone oom from locking down crazy numbers of mobs successfully. I have had the porter /tell me that they were casting nukes with their mouse over evac the whole time because they couldn't believe we could make really it.
Personally, I NEED my mezzes to fizzle less. A resist and then a poorly timed fizzle followed by another resist can be the end of the group. That one second matters a lot.
Galanteer
06-23-2011, 06:10 PM
when you get three adds at 20% mana, and cleric/evac are both down and running back and you need to keep em locked, you will be happy to have conjuration. Though some people will say your likely at 20% due to not having alteration as a specialty.
It isn't that hard to change if you don't like your choice or find that it interferes with your play style. Just a ruby and the time to get the specialization back up.
mimixownzall
06-23-2011, 06:34 PM
Mainly grouping: Conjuration
Mainly raiding: Alteration
greatdane
06-23-2011, 06:57 PM
I'd always go alteration. You know it'll help you always, no matter what you're doing; raiding, grouping, especially soloing. Conjuration will sometimes help when you're fucked and have to mez everything ten times, but then you're probably fucked no matter what, and it's also just as likely that you'd have more mana left from your cheaper buffs than what you'll save from your cheaper mez. I'd say alteration is the best option in every case except the one where you go from full to zero mana solely on mezzing, and how often does that happen?
Swish
06-23-2011, 08:55 PM
I should have made a poll :D
It isn't that hard to change if you don't like your choice or find that it interferes with your play style. Just a ruby and the time to get the specialization back up.
...that's comforting at least, not absolutely final. Still deciding, great arguments for both I must say :)
Mimixownzall your video girl spinning is quite mesmorizing for me. Every time I read the forums and you have a reply I get stuck on it. You all have some great tips. It really helps out to read the forums as a casual player.
Goraith
06-25-2011, 12:32 PM
I made a new chanter on live when Kunark came out (Morrell-Thule) and played him to Planes of Power. I was conjur spec, that seemed to work for me I used very little mana excpet for buffs. Also the epic clicky really reduces mana usage on raids.
Swish
06-26-2011, 11:22 AM
Mimixownzall your video girl spinning is quite mesmorizing for me. Every time I read the forums and you have a reply I get stuck on it. You all have some great tips. It really helps out to read the forums as a casual player.
San has been Mesmerized.
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