What are the chances Green 2.0 just never happens?

[VincentVolaju]

What would you guys say are the chances that the current servers are it, and they won't release / start any new ones? No Green or Red 2.0 etc.

[Coridan]

I'd put the odds at there never beeing a Green 2.0 at about 1%

I'll put the odds of there never beeing a Red 2.0 at 99.99%

Even if they do a new pvp server I guarantee it's gonna be VZ/TZ or SZ

[branamil]

Bruh the creators don't care anymore. They don't want to babysit 45 year old manchildren's elf fantasies for the rest of their lives.

[cd288]

Never happening? Like the other person said, I’d put that at 1%. Now if you asked will it happen in the next 12 months? Feel like that’s a toss up depending on how much of their free time the staff want to dedicate to rolling it out.

Doesn’t really matter either way we have two great servers in the meantime

[Infectious]

I'd put the odds at there never beeing a Green 2.0 at about 1%

I'll put the odds of there never beeing a Red 2.0 at 99.99%

Even if they do a new pvp server I guarantee it's gonna be VZ/TZ or SZ

LOL

[Zoolander]

it looks like daybreak got p99 in hostage with their yearly time locked progression servers on live.

therefore i highly doubt to see new p99 servers in the next years until daybreak lose interest in those servers ($$$)

https://i.imgur.com/LcnlzuI.jpg

[Kloster]

Bruh the creators don't care anymore. They don't want to babysit 45 year old manchildren's elf fantasies for the rest of their lives.

Are you sure? :D

[Ravager]

My guess announcement in January for a March 16 launch. Cuz EQ launching on March 16 is classic. If that's not the plan, it should be.

[EllenDegenerate]

Green was announced on September 13th, 2019 and launched on October 25th, 2019 so another fall release is a fair shout but they also said the merge won't happen until six months after the last patch in velious (Jan 23'). I'm doubtful but would be happy with another Oct/Nov release because it's the perfect time for poopsocking. Hopefully by the end of the year we can all celebrate the holiday with fat sweaty fingers prying and clasping at each others throats just for the chance of some legacy items.

[VesperVapes]

it looks like daybreak got p99 in hostage with their yearly time locked progression servers on live.

therefore i highly doubt to see new p99 servers in the next years until daybreak lose interest in those servers ($$$)

https://i.imgur.com/LcnlzuI.jpg


What? We'll be eating scarabs by then

[eqravenprince]

it looks like daybreak got p99 in hostage with their yearly time locked progression servers on live.

therefore i highly doubt to see new p99 servers in the next years until daybreak lose interest in those servers ($$$)

https://i.imgur.com/LcnlzuI.jpg

Unless Daybreak makes a truly classic experience with classic models, classic zones, classic everything then what they do will not affect P99 at all.

[adruidarkly]

chances are good, thankfully. they were asking for hardware donations etc
the goals of a classic eq will never be achieved while the players play so unclassicly, sort of has to suck

[Danth]

"Never" is a long time. Took a decade to get Green v1. Let's wait at least a half decade or so before worrying overmuch about Green v2's status.

Danth

[Rust1d?]

Why can;t that company just do what Diablo 2 did and make Everquest: Remastered? Or work on another game? What do those people even do all day?

[loramin]

Why can;t that company just do what Diablo 2 did and make Everquest: Remastered? Or work on another game? What do those people even do all day?

It is thought that even Daybreak Games, the current legal owners of EQ, don't have the original EQ source code themselves. As far as the public knows, no one does.

Of course, it's always possible someone will find a hard drive with the source in their basement (or they already have and no one knows it) ... but it's very likely that the original source has since been lost entirely.

[Rust1d?]

I do not think Daybreak games has anyone with an IQ above 60 working there. They never even made any games yet....all they have are old games.

[VesperVapes]

There will be Green 2.0

They didn't move everyone to Oggok just for a laugh

[Videri]

There will be Green 2.0

They didn't move everyone to Oggok just for a laugh

I was told the Oggokening was a side effect of a bug fix. I don't think it has anything to do with Green 2.0 other than that I guess that bug won't occur on Green 2.0.

Still, I think we can believe there will be a Green 2.0.

[Coridan]

Why can;t that company just do what Diablo 2 did and make Everquest: Remastered? Or work on another game? What do those people even do all day?

From what I can tell reading the EQ2 forums and stuff, their teams have a lead for most departments, and then any projects they can get the budget for, they outsourced to India and then the lead in San Diego has to go through the outsourced work and make sure it's all ok. It sounds like the worst possible way to development.

[Goobles]

You mean Blue 3.0?

[Eldamari]

My guess announcement in January for a March 16 launch. Cuz EQ launching on March 16 is classic. If that's not the plan, it should be.

Agreed this would make the most sense. I dont count on a new green in 2023 though. They hinted at Green 6 months before its release in 2019

[Trademaster]

It's been a few years since I've played and I am feeling the bug again. I just popped in to check on the possibility of a restart back to 99. Sounds like it's not on the horizon just yet.

[Fammaden]

Expect an announcement any day now.

[Synphul]

Bruh the creators don't care anymore.

Coming up on a year since the last patch with no hot fixes inbetween. I can't imagine why you'd say they don't care anymore!

[Fammaden]

People been saying that for years, then patches happen, changes happen, people said green was never happening and totally out of nowhere it got announced. This isn't a live game with paying customers, shit moves at a different pace, especially with it over a decade old and mostly completed.

[unsunghero]

There’s this underwater cave called The Blue Hole which is actually a graveyard; it has killed more divers than anywhere else on earth

About ~130 and counting have perished there (8+ per year)

This is what I think about when I consider my char being dumped into the shithole that is the Blue server

Plz don’t do it

[Swish]

coming soon™

[magnetaress]

There’s this underwater cave called The Blue Hole which is actually a graveyard; it has killed more divers than anywhere else on earth

About ~130 and counting have perished there (8+ per year)

This is what I think about when I consider my char being dumped into the shithole that is the Blue server

Plz don’t do it


Someone needs to make a video about an ancient species of aliens that live in oxygenless water (hydrogen sulfide) that come up from the deep to grab divers

also if i was a diver i would be so tempted to just drop my gear and float down into the abyss (call of the void) would be so stronk

[loramin]

This is what I think about when I consider my char being dumped into the shithole that is the Blue server

How is that worse than having them dumped into a literal void hole (ie. having them be deleted)?

[unsunghero]

How is that worse than having them dumped into a literal void hole (ie. having them be deleted)?

Oh no the void is worse

[Rpruett]

Oh no the void is worse

People like this only want Green to not merge so that they can be the best pixelstar from their little pond and not have someone from blue with 7 years more pixels than them.

The players on blue -- created green and opened up the pathway for where we are today.

Green should be merged with Blue or Red (Take your pick) and a new green cycle should start and same rules should apply where you can play (Green/Blue simultaneously). It's an elegant solution, it doesn't destroy the community or further divide and split it and your character, gear, etc is literally no worse off. I have blue chars and haven't touched them since Green -- but being able to unify all of your efforts, sort of like an EQ hall of fame, needs to happen -- and then **hopefully** eventually they should drop a custom content pack on blue.

[Fammaden]

If they opened a new green and left green 1.0 running the old green would turn into a ghost town. Blue will continue to have a core playerbase. The "best" case scenario would be even worse, current playerbase split three ways.

[PatChapp]

Just delete green and restart. Best case scenario,few angry people leave and come back in 2 months.

[magnetaress]

You can't really delete my characters. I remember them all. That information gets lost to entropy... or more aptly transformed... before being passed on.. that is why red 2.0 is so important.

Hope this helps.

[bobjonesp99]

i think there is a decent chance 2.0 never happens. the activity levels of rogean and nilbog seem to be at an all time low and if they decided not to continue with additional servers for the project i don't think anyone would be surprised. they didnt even announce velious release on green. however, there has still been bug fixes and "in-era" updates done by staff after the era has already passed. this would certainty suggest there is a non-zero possibility of a future "green" server.

what happens with green server seems to be undecided. given the recent promotions of some of the guides, and how they have been more active, it does seem like a merge with blue is less likely. they are about to start the new draft system on green, with a different set of rules than blue. if they were going to be merging the servers in < 6 months time, i don't think they would have started to create a new set of rules that lays out drafts for the next year. but it might be outside of the jurisdiction of the guides to really have any knowledge or say in any of that.

so who knows? my personal opinion is they will just run the existing serves as is unless the population gets to low (maybe 1/2 the playerbase on both blue and green) and then consider merging; i don't think they will commit to making green 2.0, and i don't think they are going to merge as long as both communities are regularly killing all the content on the servers.

[magnetaress]

Planning who gets to touch a pixel years in advance..

G-d help you.

Also if I was Rogean/Nilbog.. at this point I would just leave you to fester in the world which you created.

[Fammaden]

Announcement probably this weekend.

[Tunabros]

if you dont have BIS on green yet, you should still be playing on green!

[Tunabros]

again, you guys are expecting GMs and devs to babysit 30-40 yr old men playing elf sim

for the rest of their lives

[magnetaress]

Thats y red 2.0

No need for jannies.

[Ghost of Starman]

There isn't a any passionate developers pushing P99 forward anymore, Green was the realization of the dream, I'd give it about a 50/50, now we just have devs going through the motions doing the bare minimum to keep the lights on and prevent a few dozen people from offing themselves if P99 was shut down permanently.

[putrid_plum]

The best thing is that everyone thinks there will be a new server. The devs can't even fix all the bugs that are currently happening.

[magnetaress]

There isn't a any passionate developers pushing P99 forward anymore, Green was the realization of the dream, I'd give it about a 50/50, now we just have devs going through the motions doing the bare minimum to keep the lights on and prevent a few dozen people from offing themselves if P99 was shut down permanently.

More than a few dozen.

[Castle2.0]

There will be Green 2.0

They didn't move everyone to Oggok just for a laugh

The Oggok Wormhole was one of the most mysterious and epic events.... What do you know?

[Swish]

If they opened a new green and left green 1.0 running the old green would turn into a ghost town. Blue will continue to have a core playerbase. The "best" case scenario would be even worse, current playerbase split three ways.

Four ways.

[Ravager]

Red doesn't really count, because they don't actually play. They just spam the forums complaining about how nobody plays there.

[Trexller]

Look at how you fuckin people behave with the servers and content you already have.

Look at how you treat each other in game and otherwise.

Look at what you have done with the project. Based on their experience, staff understands that new servers and new content only equals new problems.

and then you STILL have the audacity to demand new servers and new content from ~5 people who operate this project as a labor of love?

YOU make the bed that you sleep in.

YOU are why we cant have nice things.

[Fammaden]

No one demanding shit but hoping for an announcement regarding the plan they themselves already told us about.

[Trexller]

No one demanding shit but hoping for an announcement regarding the plan they themselves already told us about.

They don't owe you jack fucking shit.

Who the fuck do you think you are?

[Fammaden]

They owe us all a new red server, the people have spoken and won't shut up.

[Trexller]

They owe us all a new red server, the people have spoken and won't shut up.

Yep.

Just as soon as you pay your Project 1999 subscription this month.

[Fammaden]

Anyway, need new green ASAP, thanks.

[Jibartik]

fksu6FENojY

[Gustoo]

fksu6FENojY

qft

[Gustoo]

Good thing we can safely consider development on p99 complete if we had to. Its not perfect but its in a great place, totally acceptable. Remove the damn lighting fix because it makes the game run fucked up, and call it good.

For pvp fix the mainhand damage bonus applying to archery. Call it good.

It doesn't need much dev action now it needs GMs/ Guides and judging by the staffs non response to my applications they must have plenty of great qualified people applying and have all the help they need. Almost every player of p99 is passionate about it and at least 20% of us are going to be viable stable individuals that could do guide activity.

The only real question is if P99 team made agreement with daybreak that they would never make a new server after Green comes out, which is the "completion" of their project. Maybe.

However, staff doesn't need to "reveal" their agreement to inform p99 players that "We won't be making a new server" they just need to say it.

So yeah heres to hoping. Even though I'm a pvp advocate, I think it is actually more likely to see another pvp server before another blue server. The progression on green just ended. It doesn't make sense to make everyone re-cycle all over again right away.

[unsunghero]

There isn't a any passionate developers pushing P99 forward anymore, Green was the realization of the dream, I'd give it about a 50/50, now we just have devs going through the motions doing the bare minimum to keep the lights on and prevent a few dozen people from offing themselves if P99 was shut down permanently.

^

[Gustoo]

If they are so disinterested (your words not theirs or mine) I’d expect to see their database become available for the community so people could have a basis for classic like EQ

[Jibartik]

Think about it like this, they have lives, and things to do, and this is all just a hobby for them.

I plan on living another 20 or so years unless someone decides we should all kill each other.

So I figure I'll get red 2 at one point, or we'll all die in the end of days.

Either way none of it is in my control but all of it is inevitable.

[Gustoo]

If I could speak for Nilbog or Rogean as a professional ghost poster I would respond to my requests with “I am just as interested in red 2.0 as you are. There are things that make it not practical for me to do at this time but when some things change, I’ll make an announcement.” When asked for a timeline id say “it’s extremely unlikely that red 2 will come out before q4 2023”

Easy

I just answered about 500 “when new??” Threads during 1/2 of a trip to the bathroom and committed to nothing.

[Vanech]

Nilbog and Rogean have been working on this project for almost twenty years. I remember seeing them asking for testers on EQEMU back in like,2003? Maybe sooner.
Hell, it may be longer than twenty years by now.

Why wouldn't they be burned out at this point? they've been working on P99 for almost as long as EQ has been around and EQ has gone through around five? developers, who I'm guessing have had at least more than two people working on it per company.

I'm thinking that they're getting a modest amount of money through donations and the like but I highly doubt that they're living large off of it. If anything the money that we funnel them is used to pay for the servers.

I know that they have volunteers to help with stuff, but to be honest I think the only game that has been basically ran by two people for longer than N&B are the brothers that run Dwarf Fortress.

There are a ton of other people who have worked on P99 over the years , I know that. but, overall? Everyone who has contributed to the servers since the onset may equal a twentieth of the people who worked for Daybreak, and they're the last to have their hands on the title.

Anyways. I'm ranting. I'm just excited because I got a laptop and can finally play again. See you guys in game.

[Jibartik]

Welcome back!

[magnetaress]

If I could speak for Nilbog or Rogean as a professional ghost poster I would respond to my requests with “I am just as interested in red 2.0 as you are. There are things that make it not practical for me to do at this time but when some things change, I’ll make an announcement.” When asked for a timeline id say “it’s extremely unlikely that red 2 will come out before q4 2023”

Easy

I just answered about 500 “when new??” Threads during 1/2 of a trip to the bathroom and committed to nothing.

maybe they cant say that cuz it will be about before q4 2023 and they don't want to spoil the suprise ! 🥳

[Old_PVP]

I'll put the odds of there never beeing a Red 2.0 at 99.99%


https://media.tenor.com/VKU7xwwZJ_EAAAAC/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd.gif

[Coridan]

Honestly I think if the all the pro-red people pushed for VZ/TZ or SZ ruleset server they'd have better luck.

[VincentVolaju]

I'm ready for Green 2.0

[Chrossler]

it looks like daybreak got p99 in hostage with their yearly time locked progression servers on live.

therefore i highly doubt to see new p99 servers in the next years until daybreak lose interest in those servers ($$$)

Those have been going on for a while and they arn't as good as P99

[Uthgaard]

The entire reason you see date ranges listed in patch notes that aren't relevant to the currently active servers, is because time flags were added to change the content over automatically in the event a new server was created.

I've been poking around working on some development unofficially again. So if one was to happen, more help would certainly speed things along and help it be higher quality.

[Swish]

Those have been going on for a while and they arn't as good as P99

https://i.imgur.com/lrIl6w3.png

[eqravenprince]

The entire reason you see date ranges listed in patch notes that aren't relevant to the currently active servers, is because time flags were added to change the content over automatically in the event a new server was created.

I've been poking around working on some development unofficially again. So if one was to happen, more help would certainly speed things along and help it be higher quality.

"If it happens", seriously, people would be super happy with a brand new server with the code as it stands right now on Green.

[Jimjam]

People say Nilbog is ghosting, but he’s been very active in Bugs (and not just doing bumps on new issues).

I have complete faith that there is at least a 1/6 chance of ultragreen happening in the next three years!

Even if it doesn’t I’m terribly grateful for the 5 p99 servers we have.

[eqravenprince]

People say Nilbog is ghosting, but he’s been very active in Bugs (and not just doing bumps on new issues).

I have complete faith that there is at least a 1/6 chance of ultragreen happening in the next three years!

Even if it doesn’t I’m terribly grateful for the 5 p99 servers we have.

5? servers, thought there was only 3 (blue, green, red)?

[Castle2.0]

Teal was so good it counts as 2.