Min/max route for a High Elf Cleric?

[Loadsamoney]

Instead of another Paladin I think I'm set on just making a Cleric, something I can solo undead with in 46+ dungeons and be a healer in some deep groups or lightly-manned raids. It makes more sense than rolling a duplicate class, at least right now, and it's something new and fresh for me. I've never played a Cleric before, I have about half of the gear I want to use and more than enough cash to cover the rest of the gear:

Sarnak Devastator
Crystal Chitin Shield
Sarnak Prayer Beads

Full Crystal Chitin Armor Set (6 pieces)
Withered Leather Bracers, Gorget and Cloak (4 pieces)
Obulus Death Shroud
Crystal Spider Eyes
Silvery Belt of Contention
Earring of Cleansing
Earring of Purity
65HP Rings x2

Since I already have a Dwarf Paladin and I believe in racial diversity among my characters (no duplicate races if I can help it), I'm pretty set on a Tunare High Elf. Is dumping into Wis the optimal play for a High Elf Cleric, with the last 5 into Sta or Str, or is there an argument for Charisma on a Cleric too?

I was torn on this decision for a second Paladin, having to decide between Sta, Wis and Cha for my starting 20 points. I hope it's a little more clear cut for a Cleric, particularly if I'm not going to live and die by Lull spells (though I do plan to solo some undead dungeons if I can, like The Hole).

[Toxigen]

You're trying to solo undead?

Max cha is the answer. Bring a +cha item kit too.

BTW you're going to want to live in the hag tower in unrest for as long as possible.

Solo undead as a cleric in the hole is just a pipe dream.

Just find enchanters and necros to duo with.

[Loadsamoney]

You're trying to solo undead?

Max cha is the answer. Bring a +cha item kit too.

BTW you're going to want to live in the hag tower in unrest for as long as possible.

Solo undead as a cleric in the hole is just a pipe dream.

Just find enchanters and necros to duo with.

Mainly going to solo Paineel guards from 19 to 51, after the Warrens rep grind.

[Toxigen]

you do you then

[Crede]

I’d go cha/str on a cleric. Wisdom is stupid easy to cap. High elf is good choice for solo, get the Tunare root neck will save you a lot of mana as you root/nuke.

[Loadsamoney]

I’d go cha/str on a cleric. Wisdom is stupid easy to cap. High elf is good choice for solo, get the Tunare root neck will save you a lot of mana as you root/nuke.

So CHA really is the meta among classes that can Lull, huh? Was hoping that was just some kind of snowflake minority thing.

I should mention that, based on the content I intend to do later, it is highly, highly unlikely that I'll ever achieve BiS gear, as I don't intend to do top-level raids like VP or AoW.

But I guess, once I eventually start grouping for EXP, it's probably a lull crit resist that will wipe us, if I'm the one asked to lull/pull. If Wisdom is easy enough to max even in moderate gear, then I guess that's good enough for me.

[Toxigen]

the topic is min/max route for cleric and you're talking about killing paineel guards for 5 years

am i missing something here?

[Loadsamoney]

the topic is min/max route for cleric and you're talking about killing paineel guards for 5 years

am i missing something here?

Actually, from 19 to 51 it's about two weeks of Paineel Guards, and about 20-25k plat along the way.

Min/max I only meant in terms of optimal starting stats. Of course, I've no idea what the future holds beyond 51, but if multiple people make the claim for CHA then there must be a good reason for it. I don't see myself as being an active puller in groups, but you never know what groups need either, so...CHA it is.

I seriously hope I don't regret having lower WIS later.

[PatChapp]

High elves have very high starting Wis,and cleric gear tends to be loaded with it.
Really the best cleric gear is an enchanter anyway, clarity does more for you than any stat.
Calm pulling is fun, try it you'll probably like it.

Crude Stein,kobalds jesters crown, seahorse bracelet. +55 cha right there with 3 cheap items to swap out.

[Crede]

So CHA really is the meta among classes that can Lull, huh? Was hoping that was just some kind of snowflake minority thing.

I should mention that, based on the content I intend to do later, it is highly, highly unlikely that I'll ever achieve BiS gear, as I don't intend to do top-level raids like VP or AoW.

But I guess, once I eventually start grouping for EXP, it's probably a lull crit resist that will wipe us, if I'm the one asked to lull/pull. If Wisdom is easy enough to max even in moderate gear, then I guess that's good enough for me.

For warriors and lull classes yea it’s min max. Cha is hardest stat to cap. Clerics get the same paci line as enchanters and they can blur too. Pick up a Donals bracer at 45. Wis is so easy to cap. If you plan to do any soloing you’ll appreciate less gear swaps for cha gear in which you’ll lose your mana in the process of doing that swap since everything has wis on it. High elves have the best cha too so might as well capitalize on that and you’ll save a lot of mana with the root neck since clerics root sucks you might as well just use that most of the time.

[Loadsamoney]

For warriors and lull classes yea it’s min max. Cha is hardest stat to cap. Clerics get the same paci line as enchanters and they can blur too. Pick up a Donals bracer at 45. Wis is so easy to cap. If you plan to do any soloing you’ll appreciate less gear swaps for cha gear in which you’ll lose your mana in the process of doing that swap since everything has wis on it. High elves have the best cha too so might as well capitalize on that and you’ll save a lot of mana with the root neck since clerics root sucks you might as well just use that most of the time.

Does it matter what I do with the last 5 points then? It's a crapshoot between Str, Sta, and Wis.

[Toxigen]

Actually, from 19 to 51 it's about two weeks of Paineel Guards, and about 20-25k plat along the way.

Min/max I only meant in terms of optimal starting stats. Of course, I've no idea what the future holds beyond 51, but if multiple people make the claim for CHA then there must be a good reason for it. I don't see myself as being an active puller in groups, but you never know what groups need either, so...CHA it is.

I seriously hope I don't regret having lower WIS later.

Honestly it sounds like you'll rarely (if ever) find yourself in a situation where that CHA is going to pay off. CRs, soloing high ZEM areas with packs of mobs, getting to groups deep in a dungeon, or say you're in an off-meta duo with a war...thats when the CHA will be of any real value.

If you want to max WIS and have a bigger mana pool to solo guards, then do it. I just can't imagine playing a cleric like that and not using the full kit / power of any given class.

I'm not trying to belittle or say there is anything wrong with your eq playstyle / goals...to each their own. In the end whatever you decide will have minimal impact on your overall experience.

[Loadsamoney]

Honestly it sounds like you'll rarely (if ever) find yourself in a situation where that CHA is going to pay off. CRs, soloing high ZEM areas with packs of mobs, getting to groups deep in a dungeon, or say you're in an off-meta duo with a war...thats when the CHA will be of any real value.

If you want to max WIS and have a bigger mana pool to solo guards, then do it. I just can't imagine playing a cleric like that and not using the full kit / power of any given class.

I'm not trying to belittle or say there is anything wrong with your eq playstyle / goals...to each their own. In the end whatever you decide will have minimal impact on your overall experience.

If it's really that easy to max WIS even without no-drop raid gear (I.E if I settle on Thurgadin armor) then I don't mind doing CHA. It just won't become useful for me until later, 51 onward or so.

It's just a question of how to spend those remaining 5 points. My instinct says Str because HIE Str is buttcrack and they wear plate.

[Toxigen]

If it's really that easy to max WIS even without no-drop raid gear (I.E if I settle on Thurgadin armor) then I don't mind doing CHA. It just won't become useful for me until later, 51 onward or so.

It's just a question of how to spend those remaining 5 points. My instinct says Str because HIE Str is buttcrack and they wear plate.

Why don't you see for yourself?

Start a magelo for the char, put in your starting stats, and start finding gear within your budget.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue

https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Cleric_Equipment

For each slot, sort by wis, can even exclude no-drop items. I think you'll find you're going to cap wis easily and instead will start looking for straight +mana stuff instead.

I could build you a sample magelo for you if you want. I enjoy that sort of thing.

[Crede]

Does it matter what I do with the last 5 points then? It's a crapshoot between Str, Sta, and Wis.

I’d go cha then whatever is left go with str high elves will need a lot of it especially since you’re doing guards. As toxigen mentioned make a magelo see how high of wis you can reasonably expect to get.

[Loadsamoney]

Why don't you see for yourself?

Start a magelo for the char, put in your starting stats, and start finding gear within your budget.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue

https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Cleric_Equipment

For each slot, sort by wis, can even exclude no-drop items.

This will be my starting gear, will not start to replace it until Thurgadin armor quests and possibly Shawl/Ring:

Sarnak Devastator
Crystal Chitin Shield
Sarnak Prayer Beads

Full Crystal Chitin Armor Set (6 pieces)
Withered Leather Bracers, Gorget and Cloak (4 pieces)
Obulus Death Shroud
Crystal Spider Eyes
Silvery Belt of Contention
Earring of Cleansing
Earring of Purity
65HP Rings x2

Let's say 25 Cha and 5 Str, this gear combined has 54 WIS on it, which would give me 159 WIS with the base 105. The armor will eventually get replaced with Thurgadin, I'll get Epic eventually, the necklace will be replaced with Warden of Tunare, and at some point I'll work on a Prayer Shawl as well.

[Toxigen]

This will be my starting gear, will not start to replace it until Thurgadin armor quests and possibly Shawl/Ring:

Sarnak Devastator
Crystal Chitin Shield
Sarnak Prayer Beads

Full Crystal Chitin Armor Set (6 pieces)
Withered Leather Bracers, Gorget and Cloak (4 pieces)
Obulus Death Shroud
Crystal Spider Eyes
Silvery Belt of Contention
Earring of Cleansing
Earring of Purity
65HP Rings x2

Let's say 25 Cha and 5 Str, this gear combined has 54 WIS on it, which would give me 159 WIS with the base 105. The armor will eventually get replaced with Thurgadin, I'll get Epic eventually, the necklace will be replaced with Warden of Tunare, and at some point I'll work on a Prayer Shawl as well.

Here's a start.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Loadsamoneycleric

205 wis, pretty cheap.

[Loadsamoney]

205 is what I need to aim for later? I take it you can only get up to 50 Wis from buffs then?

[Toxigen]

205 is what I need to aim for later? I take it you can only get up to 50 Wis from buffs then?

nah i just threw together a quick one with mostly cheap options and some of your ideas as a "starter kit"

no idea what your budget is

the primary is a big concern, no wis there

[Loadsamoney]

nah i just threw together a quick one with mostly cheap options and some of your ideas as a "starter kit"

no idea what your budget is

the primary is a big concern, no wis there

The primary would be replaced with Epic later, but until then the proc would make fighting Paineel guards much, much more efficient, until about level 37 or so.

My budget is about 20k, and I have about half of this gear already. It's about 10k to grab the rest, not a big deal to me.

[Loadsamoney]

I’d go cha then whatever is left go with str high elves will need a lot of it especially since you’re doing guards. As toxigen mentioned make a magelo see how high of wis you can reasonably expect to get.

Very briefly I was worried that I actually made the wrong min/max choice on my Druid by going Wis/Sta instead of Cha, but I only just remembered their Lull lines are unresistable and don't rely on Cha, even if they're not quite as strong as the Cleric Lulls.

[Toxigen]

Very briefly I was worried that I actually made the wrong min/max choice on my Druid by going Wis/Sta instead of Cha, but I only just remembered their Lull lines are unresistable and don't rely on Cha, even if they're not quite as strong as the Cleric Lulls.

harmo is outdoors only, unresistable...but is incredibly strong

[Loadsamoney]

harmo is outdoors only, unresistable...but is incredibly strong

Still strong, just don't lower the aggression range quite as much as Cleric lulls do. But they can't draw an angry mob on a fail either.

[Crede]

Very briefly I was worried that I actually made the wrong min/max choice on my Druid by going Wis/Sta instead of Cha, but I only just remembered their Lull lines are unresistable and don't rely on Cha, even if they're not quite as strong as the Cleric Lulls.

Druids have animal lulls that are resistible. But I’m not sure if there’s a charisma modifier for crit resist on animal lulls. Pretty sure the undead lulls aren’t affected by charisma

[Elizondo]

Druids have animal lulls that are resistible. But I’m not sure if there’s a charisma modifier for crit resist on animal lulls. Pretty sure the undead lulls aren’t affected by charisma

There is

Same with Necro undead lull

CHA does have an effect on these specific spells for both Druid and Necro

Not Charm however